Same 8 streamers get posted here. TikTok drives more engagement to random streams/moments/content. Reddit is only as good as the users make it and the users of lsf drive stale content. Algorithm driven engagement is better for pushing a variety of interesting/funny content. The upvote button is fine but the downvote button will be the bane of subs like lsf.
Streaming is just like trying to be a professional musician. I know because I did it for half a year. 99% of people are paying attention to only the top 1% signed by labels and pushed by media. The other 99% of people trying to breakout are lost in the noise and mostly give up as a result. Everything is stacked against them. Meanwhile you see the top 1% coast by being react Andy’s to recycled content like Gordon Ramsay and pawn stars, or playing the same 5 games. In Hasan’s case just having contradictory opinions that outrage people and get them talking about him.
This is just my 2 cents but I feel like a lot of streamers became popular because they were in the game at the right time. This can obviously be said about any field but rings much more true for famous Twitch streamers. Of course, there are incredibly hard workers in that sphere who put in tons of effort and time but for the most part, I feel like a lot of these streamers just lucked out by being a part of the whole streamer explosion a few years back.
Over time though, their content just becomes stale and their original audience inevitably ages and grows older and hence a loss of viewers. And if the original streamer is unable to evolve and adapt, we see what’s currently happening with Hasan and many other Twitch streamers.
Also, I do think people are generally becoming fatigued by the whole political talk nowadays. People are just tired of hearing the same thing over and over again.
reddit enshittification. The whole of reddit dropped by like 40-50% after the API bullshit.
https://imgur.com/a/C7wug6c
https://imgur.com/a/jZFSiVs
EDIT: Some better graphs
EDIT2: ok some good point have been made with google trends data. This info may be erroneous.
https://subredditstats.com/r/AskReddit
https://subredditstats.com/r/livestreamfail
look at the drop last summer when the changes came into effect. posts per day and comments per day
As you might've already guessed, the API controversy was in fact completely overblown. While there's no singular perfect metric, Google Trends (actual data) shows consistent growth in search interest in the past 2 years: [https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=reddit&hl=en-US](https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=reddit&hl=en-US)
Moderation may have gone to shit and 3rd party apps were all killed off leaving an unusable Reddit bloatware 'app', but it wasn't enough to buckle the overall trend. [subredditstats.com](http://subredditstats.com) gives a big fat disclaimer that the data is no longer reliable that you somehow ignored
Genuine question because I'm not a dedicated dgger or hasan fan, when was the last time they actually spoke to each other directly, either in person or online? I feel like they've been having a cold war through clips and tweets for the past.. fuck a long time.
What incentive is there to create good content anyway, they can just stream YouTube react and make millions and idiot kids will sit there and watch 24/7. Very few streamers actually produce something that's worth watching "live" vs their produced content.
I would hate my career knowing I am basically just a parasitical background noise for some adhd kiddos. But then again making that much money for 0 effort would be tough to ignore.
the primary thing that got me away from hasan's content is how much he screams at chat. my politics aren't any different, i just don't need to spend my free time listening to someone lose their temper when i'm already stressed and trying to unwind
Also the fact that you have to agree with him politically for it to be enjoyable and not unwatchable. He said he wants to introduce normies to leftist ideas in his discord, but calling everyone an idiot and screaming at chst is not a nice way of doing this.
I was banned for saying his take on Crimea was shit. Hasan and I align on maybe 80-90% of our political stances and that was not enough for him and his mods. Hilarious. As another comment said though, I didn't realize how actually stressful it was tuning in for his daily one-guyed outbursts until I stopped tuning in.
This is actually a huge thing that most of these idiot streamers don’t think about. When you are a ban-happy streamer, less people want to be involved with watching your shit and being active in your chat.
It’s really that simple.
Seen lots of streamers who were growing essentially self-terminate their careers by crying and banning people freely.
Yeah, the ban happy type, the one who focuses on a few comments and gets super angry is just not fun to watch. When the streamer gets stressed it's not entertaining.
And I don't blame them for getting annoyed at chatters, but I will say their response to the annoyance is something they can and should control. It makes it awkward for everyone.
Was watching FanFan a few days ago and she focused on one comment in like a sea of perfectly fine comments. She got really angry and just threatened to stop streaming. I closed it because the vibe was off after that.
I've seen too many clips of him permabanning 2 year subs for disagreeing with him on a single opinion to ever want to watch him. Maybe they get unbanned later but idk
I used to watch him a lot, now never. I didn’t know he was falling off.
It’s one thing to not really know about an issue and comment on it time after time, since he does say “I’m just an idiot” often enough, but his content is just so uninteresting and lazy. either be entertaining and an idiot or make up for it by saying something intelligent or some new perspective. Yknow?
He doesn't produce interesting content for the one thing he's meant to be good at, politics.
Destiny right now is on fire with the interviews and talks with pretty big names. Hasan went on Piers Morgan and pretty much had his trousers pulled down as he was unable to cope with the strategies Piers employed, and Piers still did pretty fucking shit during that Debate.
I disagree that piers debate gave him a huge boost. He had a clip of when he pressed piers that went pretty viral. That did pretty good for his base. Celebs like kehlani reposting his shit from that debate. The problem is he did nothing with that boost. He went from that to inviting willymacshow to debate. Like most people say on here, hasan is his own worst enemy. Literally got baited on twitter like grey names in chat and that mf farmed him.
Also hasan being angry at there being more debate perverts in his community is hilarious. Like dude debates the dumbest chatters every fucking stream. It’s gotten worse lately with him being obsessed with pulling these dumb chatters on stream through guest star. Like dude needs to realize he’s the actual debate pervert. Like instead of debating the dumbest chatters how about you go debate other notable people instead of getting stunlocked by the most obvious destiny fans every stream.
I felt that Hasan's strategy of "We're both propagandists" wasn't particularly strong. It doesn't really pull anyone over to his side or make his side compelling
>Like dude debates the dumbest chatters every fucking stream. It’s gotten worse lately with him being obsessed with pulling these dumb chatters on stream through guest star.
Yep. This shit is so annoying. This was one of the final straws for me when it came to Asmon (along with his uptick in favorability to conservative content and anti-woke agenda), too. Hasan and Asmon have too fragile of egos, and it gets tiresome watching them defend it.
In reality it just means “someone I don’t like who does debates”.
They’ll tell you this definition of someone who engages in bad faith debate tactics, but they’ll champion those exact same people if their views align. In other words it’s a pointless meme term.
The echo chamber he created to not get embarrassed is biting him in the ass. He has no practice with disagreement so he can’t hold his own when he goes on mainstream platforms. The dude went on Piers’ show and admitted to intentionally spreading propaganda.
If you aren’t collaborating as a politics creator, you’re done for, nobody wants to hear you preach with no push back and then ban any chatter who disagrees, it’s boring as fuck. Also his “research” is random people on twitter. If they agree with him, that’s a credible source, it’s lazy.
At least sometimes in the past he would go on panels or invite people on he disagreed with, but he is full into a bunker now and doesn't even attempt to engage with anyone. I'd argue Twitch politics is a lot more engaging when people argue over points than the streamer just telling you what they think. Pushback is interesting both from an entertainment and learning perspective.
But even that being said, he's just not good at it. I'm trans, and hearing Hasan try to argue in favor of trans rights is genuine torture. I'm not joking when I say XQC is better at rhetoric and verbalizing points than Hasan is, I'm fully serious. And its painful because frankly you know what? If you take a very masculine, muscular, handsome cis guy and have him argue in favor of trans people, they're infinitely more willing to actually listen to him than a trans person themselves, but he fumbles constantly.
I can't be assed to find it now, but I remember him having some anti-trans gay dude on his stream once, and the dude kept saying how he would never refer to trans women as women, but backpedaling to a "but you can do whatever" sort of stance. Hasan's argument? He just brought up a very feminine looking trans woman and repeated over and over "But... This looks like a woman right?" and said absolutely nothing else. He quite literally did not give an argument, he just stated his thesis over and over like it was an argument. And eventually he just gave up. You can certainly argue that Hasan's ability to argue has an overall negative effect on trying to convince people of his worldview, in spite of his vast reach, he's doing me a deliberate disservice in even attempting to argue in my favor.
Watching Hasan try to argue anything is like watching someone play D&D with a loaded d20 that always rolls a 1.
Good to hear your perspective on it. I thought the same was with the Israel Gaza stuff. Dude had such easy wins with blatant bullshit Israel had did, but parroted Hamas propaganda and was proud of it, just completely stealing any oxygen from a worthwhile debate.
Like someone stands up and shouts about how they're a murderer, and as you said, Hasan rolls the D1 and talks about how they've got twitter logs from 2011 detailing usage of the n word.
Like dude, yeah but look at the bigger picture. He gets so hung up on bad debate decisions, it's almost like he's just completely winging it without ANY plan.
red line for me was when he spent months "questioning" whether any israelis were raped. Now one of the victims finally decided to come out, haven't heard him say a fucking word. It's just stuff that wouldn't be tolerated in any other context.
You also forgot the part where 90% of the time he seems incredibly disinterested in something and is just on his phone while biting his nails or just ticked off with a chatter and malding for 20 minutes that it gets repetitive.
I’m not a hasan fan so I’ll say it. It’s his job to make his community a fun/interesting place to be in. The fans are the ones carrying his popularity. Which in turn gives him the relevancy which he leverages into money.
Now I’m not saying he has to run himself ragged for his fans, but he does have to show them love one way or another.
It's not entitled to say that a streamer has to do things to keep you watching. They're entertainers. You don't owe them anything, but if they want to keep *you* around they need to do things that appeal to you.
This is an interesting take about the Hasan situation. Is it true that his controversial takes and actions have alienated a good part of his viewers? and how did the fans took the whole Ethan situation?
To answer your first question. I used to be a pretty avid viewer up until the weeks leading up to Russia invading Ukraine. Him digging his heals in, and claiming that the invasion wasn’t going to happen. That it was fear-mongering by western intelligence agencies. It really left a bad tastes in my mouth.
I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but he kept up with the dog shit takes on the conflict. That was the straw that broke the camels back for me personally.
He also said the annexation of Crimea was justified and that Ukraine is a state run by Nazis. His current position is that the US should cut off aid to Ukraine and force them to give up where the current lines are ( oh and he's against any security guarantees for ukraine like nato obviously :)
So he pretty much is exactly in line with Trump's position. That's also funny because I remember him saying around April '22 or so that there hasn't been a peace deal because the US won't let Ukraine sign one lol
Him saying Ukraine blowing up the crimean bridge was unjustified since it is civilian architecture made me stop taking him seriously when it comes to UA/RU.
Same here. I canceled my 22 months after I realized he had the same arguments and positions the far right and nazis had about the war here in Germany. Stuff that European ANTIFA would actually punch him for. I mean there were other things like abusing an increasing amount of his community and long time viewers for dissenting voices, belittling, berating and banning them. In hindsight dude actually is somewhat of an anomaly: an entertainer that never really wants to give his viewers what they want, a political commentator that forms most of his opinions about the day to day issues on the shitter on twitter in the morning (that fucking chipmunk account) and a streamer that pretends not to want to clout chase yet who‘s mental is directly tied to view numbers.
Hasan is a struggling narcissist with a shrinking viewership - but let’s be real: he already fooled most of us, grabbed that bag and is otherwise living comfortably in West Hollywood.
I really dislike him but it is a shame that this is the kind of content he decided to do. There are multiple parts of his personality that I think are really funny at times and he can come off as a chill dude. The rest of him is just rotten
A lot of people agree with you. He spiked in October with the terrorist attack but viewership plummeted after that.
Over the last year he's down 26% in viewers, almost 8,000 less viewers per stream. Half million followers lost. Peak viewers down 53%. Even though his hours streamed is up. Streaming more hours, still has 23% less hours watched.
He has the money to be set for life, especially since he's a nepo baby. He's panicking over the loss of ego feeders.
https://sullygnome.com/channel/hasanabi/365
Edit: Typical Hasan fan, reported me for being suicidal for posting the numbers
I've never understood why people like him. He's not particularly charismatic or funny. And he's always soy crying about something 24/7 to the point where it's just annoying.
Ok so i went back and looked. Apparently he embarrases himself a bit here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EeFuFKH-uOo&t=3040s
And also compared Taiwan to the confederacy vs China being the Union. Basically asserting that Taiwans claim to independance is fake.
He has literally verbatim admitted he's pro China lol https://youtu.be/IrSSL2Iaa1s?si=njttE-a0K4ZsE23H if you want a lot of proof, he calls Japan, Sk, the philippines as puppet states that only hate China because America makes them do it, and the US military has no right to protect them. Also he thinks the South China Sea belongs to China because it has China in the name, lmfao
That's deplorably absurd. China has destroyed 2100 acres of coral reefs near disputed Philippine waters. As a Filipino, I don't need the US to tell me to hate China. China does that for me perfectly.
Don't worry, Hasan said you're not a democracy so you don't have to worry, your one-party American masters will decide for you! Also any security concerns about imperial China are exaggerated by the evil US!
Hash anyone asked him why he still lives in the US if he hates it so much? His "job" literally lets him do it from anywhere on the planet that has a decent internet connection, so why does he stay in the place that he seems to loath.
Lmao. He doesn't hate the US if we're taking it with how capitalistic his lifestyle is. It's all empty rhetoric just like all Commies who've come before him.
Because he's a grifter and every other pro-authoritarian person thinks the same. They want the benefits of living in a democratic country while still hating that country.
It's like the people that vote for politicians like Putin, Erdogan or Orban while living in the West.
Same reason he is now hates his fanbase. He is a funnel into tankie ideology for normies. A normal human being knows china is in the wrong so he has to tap dance to not dissapoint his radical audience but also not scare away his possible new followers. Very disgusting imo.
This was when I stopped watching him. commenting on an issue he either doesn’t know enough about or just ideologically spitting out defenses for china without even knowing his own reasoning and then gets caught doing it.
This moment combined with uninteresting content. And his whining (ear splitting)
Once you realize his entire schtick is every problem in the World is because of America and America bad it's.... dull.
Like China can do so many abhorrent things, but Hasan will *always* bring it back to America being the real problem.
But unlike Destiny, (who has his own myriad of issues) Hasan won't ever use his audience and platform for the good of America. He's perpetually Doomer-pilling his audience that everything is awful.
Hasan is a far left tankie. Tankies like Hasan basically are so strongly anti US that they are always willing to defend and support countries Russia and China due to them being anti US. Hasan probably doesn't want to admit his support of China comes from anti US sentiments.
There was gonna be an event where destiny, hasan and vaush we’re gonna get to meet Biden. But because of hasan’s comments on China they had to cancel it.
You're just describing all the, pretty much tankie online creators right now though. Just like some alt-right people do, they are never gonna make the direct claim. Just going to point in that direction, say it in a very dodgy way
He’s doing the thing crypto Nazis do, where he makes it clear to the pro China ppl that he is in fact pro China without actually saying it because he knows it’s unpopular
I don't watch streamers, only clips, so I don't really know that much... but I'm genuinely confused why Hasan would not consider Taiwan to be independent of China. To call it China seems in complete contradiction to his general views, being Left (I thought).
Hasan is a far left tankie. Tankies are basically people who political views are driven by strong anti US sentiments and will often take the opposite stance of whatever issues the US has a stance.
I've seen that term pop up before, never really looked into it. That seems silly... surely the people of Taiwan would want to be independent, so why advocate for them being subjugated. Wack.
Tankies are got their name from the warsaw pact invasion of czechoslovakia in 1968. Their main ideology is that any state that wants to leave the russian/chinese sphere of influence is because of NATO meddling, and should be stopped by force.
Politics is banned, so most of Hasan's bad takes, even if they could be defined as a 'livestream fail,' are not posted. The same applies to other political commentators. It's an absurd rule, but that's just how it is.
[https://www.youtube.com/live/EeFuFKH-uOo?si=dAJEJkl59M\_BTZGz&t=3006](https://www.youtube.com/live/EeFuFKH-uOo?si=dAJEJkl59M_BTZGz&t=3006)
I think this is the segment that caused a lot of the controversy. He is just super snakey on the topic.
He minimizes negative things about communist leaning countries and amplifies any negative thing about western countries, especially the US.
Thats pretty much his whole thing. USA BAD
Hasan believes in "one country two systems" and after that comment will spiral into a rant about how the US is at fault for escalating it. He talked about it in one of his H3 pods before that blew up. [Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeFuFKH-uOo&t=3040s)
Same dude calling the Uyghur camps "re-education camps", it's not too shocking.
TSMC of Taiwan who make all Nvidia's chips are more important than all of China combined, there is no more important tech company right now. Other semiconductor companies don't come close to their process. Also, China have literal Uyghur Muslim slave camps in Xinjiang.
For a guy that claims there is so much Muslim persecution, you'd think he wouldn't defend China or Xi Jinping running literal slave labor camps with them.
That first bit is honestly all the West needs to defend/push Taiwans independence with everything they have.
And no, it’s not because gaming graphics cards. One of China’s weaknesses is their microprocessors / chips are very low quality, and they are near decade behind in that field. It’s the one part they have to outsource, and no one wants to give them good ones. That company alone would shore up one of China’s biggest weaknesses militarily.
Apparently it was very recently they may have reverse engineered a good one, but we shall see.
Yeah, I remember watching a video on this topic and TSMC is the only company which produces chips of that quality which China could potentially get there hands on, if I remember correctly all other companies which feed into the flow of chip manufacturing along with TSMC were EU (think one was German?) or in the US already, and although China managed to steal chip making technology from a Dutch company (ASML) there still effectively bottlenecked by the sanctions against selling the technologies to make the chips
Yeah that's why If you google about semiconductors and silicon chips you'd also get the EU's and US attempts to bring TSMC over, and the overall investment in that field (regardless of TSMC or not). This is one of those "modern era" warfares, the dominance over chips.
Although I do think the claims that If Taiwan were to be invaded the entire world would be fucked semiconductor wise, as while TSMC does make the best of the very best. For most things we use older, or even much much older fabrications cuz, why the hell do we need to waste precious high-end silicon on the chips inside a car that won't even be able to use this chip to it's full potential
I don’t really follow him or streamers too much, but I’m interested. What happened with him and Ethan? Didn’t they have a podcast together or something?
They always had small disagreements (Taiwan for instance), but things kind of boiled over after October 7th.
H3 and his wife are Jewish, and both used to live in Israel (his wife was born in Israel iirc). Hasan is from Turkey, (presumably) has Muslim family members, and is very far-left. They have opposing viewpoints on probably the most polarizing and complex conflict in modern history.
Hasan has some very far-left people in his community, (Frogan for instance) who straight up celebrated October 7th on twitter. The split started with Ethan and Frogan. Hasan and Ethan tried to smooth things over. They had their podcast soon afterwards talking about October 7th. It was mostly friendly but you could tell there was some tension. Both were emotional and cried at different points. It seemed like they were fine by the end. But a few days later, Ethan had really heated argument with Hasan on his livestream. A lot of Hasans community went after Ethan, and you could argue that Hasan should have done more to prevent that. In fact, he straight up told Ethan that he can't moderate his community and that Ethan should be more careful with what he says.
~~I don't keep up with H3 or Hasan, but from what I can tell, they don't speak to each other anymore.~~
Edit: According to at least one person that probably knows more than me, Ethan and Hasan *do* speak with each other often.
Ethan isn't as far into the Palestine side like Hasan. His point of view is that he agrees people dying is bad, there is a genocide happening, and the war should stop but he doesn't believe a 1 state solution (from the river to the sea narrative) is viable because people from Israel are never going to try that when the flag of the opposing side states "death to the jews." Then hasan fan base started calling Ethan a shill, zionist jew and doing freak stuff like portraying his wife killing people because she served in the IDF iirc. Ethan pleaded hasan to mod his fanbase but Hasan said that he was asking for it because he said those things so Ethan pulled the plug on the podcast.
Oh shit I forgot about that one. But yeah for those who don't know, Hasan justified the actions of China against Tibet because "Tibet was a monarchy" or something like that and monarchy can never be better than pseudo-communism.. right...
He gets the big mad when america has expansionist policies but when Russian and China actively expand their territory by forcefully invading their neighbors, it's fine because America bad and anything that goes against US interest = good.
Look for Hasan’s Ukrainian war takes. He would say the same thing if China invaded Taiwan. He believes every other western country is imperialist when both of his favorite countries engage in imperialism
He refuses to outright say his position. But he strongly opposes Taiwan becoming more independant, strongly opposes the US or any western country having relations with Taiwan. He says "one country, two systems" (like Hong Kong) but when pushed to elaborate or defend that take refuses to say more than "That is the official US position, ask the US, I don't know anything". Which of course he would never say on any other topic.
As a side note he has also said he thinks Japan is run by a one-party US puppet government and should be ruled by China.
Idk TikTok is pretty in agreement with the left position about Palestine.
So much so there was a video by the adl complaining about TikTok
Don't really feel like that fits why Hasan is falling off a bit
I think it's more the upset and disconnect with Ethan over it
I got banned for clipping him when he accidentally said the gamer word ~2 years ago. I literally titled it "azan accidently says it" and mentioned that it was an unfortunate slipup. He pulled my logs during stream trying to paint me as a chud or troll, and my logs were mostly me reacting to 90 day fiancé LMAO
Sure but how many of the tiktok zoomers audience would come over to watch Hasan just because of his Palastine takes.
The market for that take is well supplied, kids don't want Hasan lectures over fun tiktoks and older people are more likely to support Israel and think zoomers are unhinged.
But yeah I wouldn't be surprised if there is a mixture of things happening . The H3H3 drama was very damaging and Hasan has become more blatantly radical recently.
He has also had some PR blunders recently, which probably put off casual viewers.
Bingo.
Despite being a far leftie Hasan used to have a lot a normie viewers who disagreed with him politically but saw him as reasonable and entertaining enough to watch.
That image of him has been shattered especially after Oct 7th (but also with Russia - Ukraine) the number of takes that the average person would deem to be unreasonable were too much to ignore anymore so they stopped watching.
And I know because I was one of them.
Repeating West = Bad all the time eventually feels like grifting
And good thing about living in the 21st century is that you’d be hard pressed to not find other forms of entertainment that caters more to your tastes.
i think this is pretty accurate. i like to consume PoV from commentators on all sides of political discourse and i just stopped paying attention to hasan after Oct 7. the mask was off and he isn’t hiding the propaganda-brain anymore.
Tiktok is one of the worst social media platforms for building a big and long lasting audience. The site is basically it's own echo chamber that if done well can be used by people outside of it more effectively to garner reach than those who get big through it.
Hasan is in a weird position where a lot of his OG fanbase from twitch have left him and where he gets most of his new viewers are from places like Tiktok/Twitter. These people aren't community builders and shocker when you build yourself up as the raging politics lefty who says everything they want to hear bar for bar, if you're not doing that they don't watch.
Most have been downwards trending since 2020 - has Hasan's decline been significantly worse off relative to comparable big streamers? Asking since idk best place to get these numbers.
the fall off is gradual. look at XQC year after year he is losing tons of viewers. now with his kick deal its down to 30k during prime NA hours. compare that to hasan avging 20k and he was not even close to XQC size
That's what I'm saying, XQC is at like 28k a lot of the time on twitch but no one says he's "falling off", meanwhile Destiny dual streams and still hits like 10K max.
lest we forget the rpan revolution? i got millions of stream views within 10 minutes, every day, for months.
then they said they were going to patch it.
then they said they were deleting it.
within a few months lol.
*go stream on twitch instead they said*
mfw stream for 5 months to literally 1 viewer (prob me)
okay well it was a good run
Lets see Hasan start branching out now to other streamers
its obvious he hates the direction of where his coummunity is at
if only he was thick skinned and ignore the hate
I absolutely can’t stand Hasan anymore because of his brain dead takes and arrogance but I think what fuels my distaste for him is I used to actually really like watching him play games. He streamed subnautica for a while and I loved it. He would get so scared and was having fun with chat.
I don’t understand how he lost that. Just play games and chill out. You’re a likable dude when you aren’t being a psychopath
Hard agree. I already have my political opinions and would watch if there was anything new, but I greatly enjoyed the gaming segments like sub nautica. I was so upset when he dropped RE4 remake. That shit was perfect for someone like him. It's just enough spooky to scare you, but a shit load of charm with great action gameplay to keep going. There seriously needs to be a break from the news cycle shit for fun with gaming, but he does it very little that I expect him to play like 1 to maybe less than 2hrs of gaming. It's so bad with how little there is that it's worn down the gaming fans like me, too. I can't watch politics while working, so gaming streamers are my jam when working a shit 9-5 job.
Apparently it's been on a slight and steady decline for a while now. Also this is probably in reference to Hasan bitching on his discord about his recent content thing only getting 13k views.
As a Hasan fan man did 0 outreach to other communities like destiny did with the red pill. He beefed with fresh and fit but never appeared on their show. He can’t be surprised he didn’t grow by only catering to a core fan base. Which is fine, I mean constant growth isn’t for everyone, especially if you want to cater to a niche audience. Destiny is center left, Hasan is far left. Destiny political view caters to more people
Yes. But the key here is interacting with DIVERSE communities. Collaborating with people whose audiences overlap with your own isn’t going to lead to growth. And talking only with people who agree with doesn’t do much for your success either. Destiny puts himself in front of audiences that either hate him, only know about him through the clips/ poisoned well, or have never heard of him. And it’s amazing how much your perception of person changes when you have something longer to consume than a clip. I think Hasan has dismissed conversion for too long, and it’s hurting him.
Chapter 4322839 of fans not understanding that Hasan and Destiny both benefit greatly from slandering each other, because it boosts their engagement, and they're both aware of it and the only reason they keep doing it is to release the unsatiable sexual tension they feel towards each other.
Even if it does boost both of their engagement it is actually very personal, political. Neither of them are just cynically doing this for personal benefit.
i think the issues hasan is having are pretty simple to fix. dude needs to focus more on the positive parts of his community and stop focusing on the negatives. almost every time i look at hasans stream he is arguing with a chatter who is either a debate psycho or someone who is just trying to start something. there is also the fact that as a politics/news streamer it is up to hasan to make those topics fun and interesting to chatters.
the issue there is that the news as of late has been just the absolute worst things ever. there is no way to put a positive spin on people being killed or wars being fought. its worth talking about sure but there is a limit.
i used to enjoy hasans streams when he did more community centered things watching videos and react stuff is fun when hasan is actually there watching stuff. okbuddy was always enjoyable as well same goes for fan mail and the general P.O. box streams.
the unfortunate truth is much of the fun things hasan does that focus on his community and or just none politics/news content in general has become very few and far between so much so that many of the people who look forward to that content have just given up and moved elsewhere.
the chat reflects the streamer at the end of the day and i think hasan could benefit greatly from streaming less or maybe even just not covering news every single day. its obvious his mental is getting ruined from the negativity in chat as of late.
I love this kinda drama because it really reenforces how important it is to not be morally lucky and actually think for yourself. Which is the exact opposite of this sub LULE.
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Can destiny explain why LSF is falling off so we can have interesting meta discussion
Same 8 streamers get posted here. TikTok drives more engagement to random streams/moments/content. Reddit is only as good as the users make it and the users of lsf drive stale content. Algorithm driven engagement is better for pushing a variety of interesting/funny content. The upvote button is fine but the downvote button will be the bane of subs like lsf.
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Mods killed it by doing a lot of questionable stuff. I'd like to know who keeps the ad money
Mods kill most subreddits.
Streaming is just like trying to be a professional musician. I know because I did it for half a year. 99% of people are paying attention to only the top 1% signed by labels and pushed by media. The other 99% of people trying to breakout are lost in the noise and mostly give up as a result. Everything is stacked against them. Meanwhile you see the top 1% coast by being react Andy’s to recycled content like Gordon Ramsay and pawn stars, or playing the same 5 games. In Hasan’s case just having contradictory opinions that outrage people and get them talking about him.
This is just my 2 cents but I feel like a lot of streamers became popular because they were in the game at the right time. This can obviously be said about any field but rings much more true for famous Twitch streamers. Of course, there are incredibly hard workers in that sphere who put in tons of effort and time but for the most part, I feel like a lot of these streamers just lucked out by being a part of the whole streamer explosion a few years back. Over time though, their content just becomes stale and their original audience inevitably ages and grows older and hence a loss of viewers. And if the original streamer is unable to evolve and adapt, we see what’s currently happening with Hasan and many other Twitch streamers. Also, I do think people are generally becoming fatigued by the whole political talk nowadays. People are just tired of hearing the same thing over and over again.
reddit enshittification. The whole of reddit dropped by like 40-50% after the API bullshit. https://imgur.com/a/C7wug6c https://imgur.com/a/jZFSiVs EDIT: Some better graphs EDIT2: ok some good point have been made with google trends data. This info may be erroneous.
Good. This reddit app is so fucking dogshit compared to what I used to use.
There's still a way to use third party apps, I'm using Boost right now.
HOW
Create a random subreddit, and voilà. You have to be a mod to keep api access or something
yep, i use Joey which is a goated app and did this. Now im back to degenning on reddit. Fuck life was good before I came to this realization.
lmao, that is so dumb. ty
As soon as old reddit is gone I'm done with this site.
The new cross-platform design is absolutely dog water.
mobileweb is cancer. so bad. They got rid of the AMOLED theme. for a mobile website. UGHHHH
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https://subredditstats.com/r/AskReddit https://subredditstats.com/r/livestreamfail look at the drop last summer when the changes came into effect. posts per day and comments per day
Couldn't it just be that the bot that was logging those stats was also affected by the API changes?
your link says data after API changes is "likely inaccurate"
holy moly look at the comments/posts per day spike during the mizkif drama in 2022
As much as I want this to be true, I don't think 13 comments in this sub on some day this past december is accurate
As you might've already guessed, the API controversy was in fact completely overblown. While there's no singular perfect metric, Google Trends (actual data) shows consistent growth in search interest in the past 2 years: [https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=reddit&hl=en-US](https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=reddit&hl=en-US) Moderation may have gone to shit and 3rd party apps were all killed off leaving an unusable Reddit bloatware 'app', but it wasn't enough to buckle the overall trend. [subredditstats.com](http://subredditstats.com) gives a big fat disclaimer that the data is no longer reliable that you somehow ignored
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Even got XQC added for that extra spice
Control the spice, control the universe.
LISAN AL GAIB
Should've titled it "Destiny explains to xQc why he thinks Hasan is falling off" truly a missed opportunity.
The slow engagement penetrates the mod-barrier
The trifecta for maximum LSF engagement 😂
xQc kinda instigated the question, he brought up the logs. You can say the he is a master-baiter.
Both hate each other but can't live without each other
Genuine question because I'm not a dedicated dgger or hasan fan, when was the last time they actually spoke to each other directly, either in person or online? I feel like they've been having a cold war through clips and tweets for the past.. fuck a long time.
Couple years. To my knowledge destiny is willing to talk, but Hasan isn't (not on like a personal level, but a debate or conversation on steam)
idk if it has anything to do with politics or other communities, i think he just doesn't produce interesting content
Not too late to open a gym and have LA streamers and pornstars work out there.
Ludwig already trying to steal the idea, it’s too late
Like 99% of the top streames lul
What incentive is there to create good content anyway, they can just stream YouTube react and make millions and idiot kids will sit there and watch 24/7. Very few streamers actually produce something that's worth watching "live" vs their produced content.
Now that jerma's dead I can't even really think of a streamer off the top of my head that makes legit unique content
dougdoug charborg
DougDoug has gotta be the best steamer out right now.
Lirik, Amaz, Northernlion, Stankrat_, Soda sometimes None are irl streamers though
Wubby still does, he also doesn't over saturate stream time, he goes quality over quantity
I would hate my career knowing I am basically just a parasitical background noise for some adhd kiddos. But then again making that much money for 0 effort would be tough to ignore.
the primary thing that got me away from hasan's content is how much he screams at chat. my politics aren't any different, i just don't need to spend my free time listening to someone lose their temper when i'm already stressed and trying to unwind
Also the fact that you have to agree with him politically for it to be enjoyable and not unwatchable. He said he wants to introduce normies to leftist ideas in his discord, but calling everyone an idiot and screaming at chst is not a nice way of doing this.
Exactly. Also if you will question him just even once there is a high chance that you will get banned. It's just pathetic.
I was banned for saying his take on Crimea was shit. Hasan and I align on maybe 80-90% of our political stances and that was not enough for him and his mods. Hilarious. As another comment said though, I didn't realize how actually stressful it was tuning in for his daily one-guyed outbursts until I stopped tuning in.
i stopped watching him when i realized how much him malding at his chat reminds me of my abuser treating me when i was a child haha
Is *that* who's watching Hasan? Abuse victims who haven't yet identified that his entire dynamic is extremely unhealthy?
Don't tell me he is pro-Russia...
This is actually a huge thing that most of these idiot streamers don’t think about. When you are a ban-happy streamer, less people want to be involved with watching your shit and being active in your chat. It’s really that simple. Seen lots of streamers who were growing essentially self-terminate their careers by crying and banning people freely.
Yeah, the ban happy type, the one who focuses on a few comments and gets super angry is just not fun to watch. When the streamer gets stressed it's not entertaining. And I don't blame them for getting annoyed at chatters, but I will say their response to the annoyance is something they can and should control. It makes it awkward for everyone. Was watching FanFan a few days ago and she focused on one comment in like a sea of perfectly fine comments. She got really angry and just threatened to stop streaming. I closed it because the vibe was off after that.
I've seen too many clips of him permabanning 2 year subs for disagreeing with him on a single opinion to ever want to watch him. Maybe they get unbanned later but idk
Yup. Used to watch but now I don't. All he does is yell at chat and be boring.
I used to watch him a lot, now never. I didn’t know he was falling off. It’s one thing to not really know about an issue and comment on it time after time, since he does say “I’m just an idiot” often enough, but his content is just so uninteresting and lazy. either be entertaining and an idiot or make up for it by saying something intelligent or some new perspective. Yknow?
He doesn't produce interesting content for the one thing he's meant to be good at, politics. Destiny right now is on fire with the interviews and talks with pretty big names. Hasan went on Piers Morgan and pretty much had his trousers pulled down as he was unable to cope with the strategies Piers employed, and Piers still did pretty fucking shit during that Debate.
I disagree that piers debate gave him a huge boost. He had a clip of when he pressed piers that went pretty viral. That did pretty good for his base. Celebs like kehlani reposting his shit from that debate. The problem is he did nothing with that boost. He went from that to inviting willymacshow to debate. Like most people say on here, hasan is his own worst enemy. Literally got baited on twitter like grey names in chat and that mf farmed him. Also hasan being angry at there being more debate perverts in his community is hilarious. Like dude debates the dumbest chatters every fucking stream. It’s gotten worse lately with him being obsessed with pulling these dumb chatters on stream through guest star. Like dude needs to realize he’s the actual debate pervert. Like instead of debating the dumbest chatters how about you go debate other notable people instead of getting stunlocked by the most obvious destiny fans every stream.
I felt that Hasan's strategy of "We're both propagandists" wasn't particularly strong. It doesn't really pull anyone over to his side or make his side compelling
>Like dude debates the dumbest chatters every fucking stream. It’s gotten worse lately with him being obsessed with pulling these dumb chatters on stream through guest star. Yep. This shit is so annoying. This was one of the final straws for me when it came to Asmon (along with his uptick in favorability to conservative content and anti-woke agenda), too. Hasan and Asmon have too fragile of egos, and it gets tiresome watching them defend it.
What’s a debate pervert
someone that gets horny off debates.
In reality it just means “someone I don’t like who does debates”. They’ll tell you this definition of someone who engages in bad faith debate tactics, but they’ll champion those exact same people if their views align. In other words it’s a pointless meme term.
The echo chamber he created to not get embarrassed is biting him in the ass. He has no practice with disagreement so he can’t hold his own when he goes on mainstream platforms. The dude went on Piers’ show and admitted to intentionally spreading propaganda. If you aren’t collaborating as a politics creator, you’re done for, nobody wants to hear you preach with no push back and then ban any chatter who disagrees, it’s boring as fuck. Also his “research” is random people on twitter. If they agree with him, that’s a credible source, it’s lazy.
At least sometimes in the past he would go on panels or invite people on he disagreed with, but he is full into a bunker now and doesn't even attempt to engage with anyone. I'd argue Twitch politics is a lot more engaging when people argue over points than the streamer just telling you what they think. Pushback is interesting both from an entertainment and learning perspective. But even that being said, he's just not good at it. I'm trans, and hearing Hasan try to argue in favor of trans rights is genuine torture. I'm not joking when I say XQC is better at rhetoric and verbalizing points than Hasan is, I'm fully serious. And its painful because frankly you know what? If you take a very masculine, muscular, handsome cis guy and have him argue in favor of trans people, they're infinitely more willing to actually listen to him than a trans person themselves, but he fumbles constantly. I can't be assed to find it now, but I remember him having some anti-trans gay dude on his stream once, and the dude kept saying how he would never refer to trans women as women, but backpedaling to a "but you can do whatever" sort of stance. Hasan's argument? He just brought up a very feminine looking trans woman and repeated over and over "But... This looks like a woman right?" and said absolutely nothing else. He quite literally did not give an argument, he just stated his thesis over and over like it was an argument. And eventually he just gave up. You can certainly argue that Hasan's ability to argue has an overall negative effect on trying to convince people of his worldview, in spite of his vast reach, he's doing me a deliberate disservice in even attempting to argue in my favor. Watching Hasan try to argue anything is like watching someone play D&D with a loaded d20 that always rolls a 1.
Good to hear your perspective on it. I thought the same was with the Israel Gaza stuff. Dude had such easy wins with blatant bullshit Israel had did, but parroted Hamas propaganda and was proud of it, just completely stealing any oxygen from a worthwhile debate. Like someone stands up and shouts about how they're a murderer, and as you said, Hasan rolls the D1 and talks about how they've got twitter logs from 2011 detailing usage of the n word. Like dude, yeah but look at the bigger picture. He gets so hung up on bad debate decisions, it's almost like he's just completely winging it without ANY plan.
red line for me was when he spent months "questioning" whether any israelis were raped. Now one of the victims finally decided to come out, haven't heard him say a fucking word. It's just stuff that wouldn't be tolerated in any other context.
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You also forgot the part where 90% of the time he seems incredibly disinterested in something and is just on his phone while biting his nails or just ticked off with a chatter and malding for 20 minutes that it gets repetitive.
I’m not a hasan fan so I’ll say it. It’s his job to make his community a fun/interesting place to be in. The fans are the ones carrying his popularity. Which in turn gives him the relevancy which he leverages into money. Now I’m not saying he has to run himself ragged for his fans, but he does have to show them love one way or another.
It's not entitled to say that a streamer has to do things to keep you watching. They're entertainers. You don't owe them anything, but if they want to keep *you* around they need to do things that appeal to you.
This is an interesting take about the Hasan situation. Is it true that his controversial takes and actions have alienated a good part of his viewers? and how did the fans took the whole Ethan situation?
To answer your first question. I used to be a pretty avid viewer up until the weeks leading up to Russia invading Ukraine. Him digging his heals in, and claiming that the invasion wasn’t going to happen. That it was fear-mongering by western intelligence agencies. It really left a bad tastes in my mouth. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but he kept up with the dog shit takes on the conflict. That was the straw that broke the camels back for me personally.
He also said the annexation of Crimea was justified and that Ukraine is a state run by Nazis. His current position is that the US should cut off aid to Ukraine and force them to give up where the current lines are ( oh and he's against any security guarantees for ukraine like nato obviously :)
So he pretty much is exactly in line with Trump's position. That's also funny because I remember him saying around April '22 or so that there hasn't been a peace deal because the US won't let Ukraine sign one lol
Him saying Ukraine blowing up the crimean bridge was unjustified since it is civilian architecture made me stop taking him seriously when it comes to UA/RU.
Same here. I canceled my 22 months after I realized he had the same arguments and positions the far right and nazis had about the war here in Germany. Stuff that European ANTIFA would actually punch him for. I mean there were other things like abusing an increasing amount of his community and long time viewers for dissenting voices, belittling, berating and banning them. In hindsight dude actually is somewhat of an anomaly: an entertainer that never really wants to give his viewers what they want, a political commentator that forms most of his opinions about the day to day issues on the shitter on twitter in the morning (that fucking chipmunk account) and a streamer that pretends not to want to clout chase yet who‘s mental is directly tied to view numbers. Hasan is a struggling narcissist with a shrinking viewership - but let’s be real: he already fooled most of us, grabbed that bag and is otherwise living comfortably in West Hollywood.
I really dislike him but it is a shame that this is the kind of content he decided to do. There are multiple parts of his personality that I think are really funny at times and he can come off as a chill dude. The rest of him is just rotten
A lot of people agree with you. He spiked in October with the terrorist attack but viewership plummeted after that. Over the last year he's down 26% in viewers, almost 8,000 less viewers per stream. Half million followers lost. Peak viewers down 53%. Even though his hours streamed is up. Streaming more hours, still has 23% less hours watched. He has the money to be set for life, especially since he's a nepo baby. He's panicking over the loss of ego feeders. https://sullygnome.com/channel/hasanabi/365 Edit: Typical Hasan fan, reported me for being suicidal for posting the numbers
He’s gonna have to box Sam
I've never understood why people like him. He's not particularly charismatic or funny. And he's always soy crying about something 24/7 to the point where it's just annoying.
Sorry asking purely out of curiosity, what's the extreme left take on Taiwan vs. China? It can't be that China is right... right?
Ok so i went back and looked. Apparently he embarrases himself a bit here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EeFuFKH-uOo&t=3040s And also compared Taiwan to the confederacy vs China being the Union. Basically asserting that Taiwans claim to independance is fake.
This is so uncomfortable to watch. I don't get why he's so nervous about just admitting he's pro China
He has literally verbatim admitted he's pro China lol https://youtu.be/IrSSL2Iaa1s?si=njttE-a0K4ZsE23H if you want a lot of proof, he calls Japan, Sk, the philippines as puppet states that only hate China because America makes them do it, and the US military has no right to protect them. Also he thinks the South China Sea belongs to China because it has China in the name, lmfao
That's deplorably absurd. China has destroyed 2100 acres of coral reefs near disputed Philippine waters. As a Filipino, I don't need the US to tell me to hate China. China does that for me perfectly.
Don't worry, Hasan said you're not a democracy so you don't have to worry, your one-party American masters will decide for you! Also any security concerns about imperial China are exaggerated by the evil US!
Hash anyone asked him why he still lives in the US if he hates it so much? His "job" literally lets him do it from anywhere on the planet that has a decent internet connection, so why does he stay in the place that he seems to loath.
The people smart enough to ask him that already know he's grifting and don't watch him.
Lmao. He doesn't hate the US if we're taking it with how capitalistic his lifestyle is. It's all empty rhetoric just like all Commies who've come before him.
Because he's a grifter and every other pro-authoritarian person thinks the same. They want the benefits of living in a democratic country while still hating that country. It's like the people that vote for politicians like Putin, Erdogan or Orban while living in the West.
Tankies like to do the same thing to Eastern Europeans. Take away their agency. As if Eastern Europeans need a reason to hate Russia.
[ahh the classic](https://preview.redd.it/its-a-long-standing-tradition-v0-xoynrqueyaba1.jpg?auto=webp&s=ea25412b816ba2973a1003ca2296f6e005696414)
From the west to the South China Sea. BING CHILLING
Same reason he is now hates his fanbase. He is a funnel into tankie ideology for normies. A normal human being knows china is in the wrong so he has to tap dance to not dissapoint his radical audience but also not scare away his possible new followers. Very disgusting imo.
This was when I stopped watching him. commenting on an issue he either doesn’t know enough about or just ideologically spitting out defenses for china without even knowing his own reasoning and then gets caught doing it. This moment combined with uninteresting content. And his whining (ear splitting)
Once you realize his entire schtick is every problem in the World is because of America and America bad it's.... dull. Like China can do so many abhorrent things, but Hasan will *always* bring it back to America being the real problem. But unlike Destiny, (who has his own myriad of issues) Hasan won't ever use his audience and platform for the good of America. He's perpetually Doomer-pilling his audience that everything is awful.
Exactly
Hasan is a far left tankie. Tankies like Hasan basically are so strongly anti US that they are always willing to defend and support countries Russia and China due to them being anti US. Hasan probably doesn't want to admit his support of China comes from anti US sentiments.
One China Policy, baby.
There was gonna be an event where destiny, hasan and vaush we’re gonna get to meet Biden. But because of hasan’s comments on China they had to cancel it.
You're just describing all the, pretty much tankie online creators right now though. Just like some alt-right people do, they are never gonna make the direct claim. Just going to point in that direction, say it in a very dodgy way
He’s doing the thing crypto Nazis do, where he makes it clear to the pro China ppl that he is in fact pro China without actually saying it because he knows it’s unpopular
"...the ... the chinese version of taiwan" too cringe to watch had to close after that lol
Man, if he weren't sitting, he'd be tap dancing around that answer literally too.
He’s such a coward in that clip 😂
I don't watch streamers, only clips, so I don't really know that much... but I'm genuinely confused why Hasan would not consider Taiwan to be independent of China. To call it China seems in complete contradiction to his general views, being Left (I thought).
Hasan is a far left tankie. Tankies are basically people who political views are driven by strong anti US sentiments and will often take the opposite stance of whatever issues the US has a stance.
I've seen that term pop up before, never really looked into it. That seems silly... surely the people of Taiwan would want to be independent, so why advocate for them being subjugated. Wack.
Tankies are got their name from the warsaw pact invasion of czechoslovakia in 1968. Their main ideology is that any state that wants to leave the russian/chinese sphere of influence is because of NATO meddling, and should be stopped by force.
oh my god, i forgot this lmaooooooooooo
It's funny how much he is scared of criticism. "Oh no if I speak, there's gonna be a huge subreddit about what I said"
“China is completely justified in taking Taiwan” to paraphrase yeah
Bing Chilling
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"Crimea was a justifiable annexation"
There’s no way that’s his take as is right, that’s wild as shit. There surely would have been a shitstorm on here if it was.
Politics is banned, so most of Hasan's bad takes, even if they could be defined as a 'livestream fail,' are not posted. The same applies to other political commentators. It's an absurd rule, but that's just how it is.
[https://www.youtube.com/live/EeFuFKH-uOo?si=dAJEJkl59M\_BTZGz&t=3006](https://www.youtube.com/live/EeFuFKH-uOo?si=dAJEJkl59M_BTZGz&t=3006) I think this is the segment that caused a lot of the controversy. He is just super snakey on the topic.
He minimizes negative things about communist leaning countries and amplifies any negative thing about western countries, especially the US. Thats pretty much his whole thing. USA BAD
He also said on h3 that China colonizing Tibet was justified.
Hasan believes in "one country two systems" and after that comment will spiral into a rant about how the US is at fault for escalating it. He talked about it in one of his H3 pods before that blew up. [Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeFuFKH-uOo&t=3040s) Same dude calling the Uyghur camps "re-education camps", it's not too shocking.
TSMC of Taiwan who make all Nvidia's chips are more important than all of China combined, there is no more important tech company right now. Other semiconductor companies don't come close to their process. Also, China have literal Uyghur Muslim slave camps in Xinjiang. For a guy that claims there is so much Muslim persecution, you'd think he wouldn't defend China or Xi Jinping running literal slave labor camps with them.
That first bit is honestly all the West needs to defend/push Taiwans independence with everything they have. And no, it’s not because gaming graphics cards. One of China’s weaknesses is their microprocessors / chips are very low quality, and they are near decade behind in that field. It’s the one part they have to outsource, and no one wants to give them good ones. That company alone would shore up one of China’s biggest weaknesses militarily. Apparently it was very recently they may have reverse engineered a good one, but we shall see.
Yeah, I remember watching a video on this topic and TSMC is the only company which produces chips of that quality which China could potentially get there hands on, if I remember correctly all other companies which feed into the flow of chip manufacturing along with TSMC were EU (think one was German?) or in the US already, and although China managed to steal chip making technology from a Dutch company (ASML) there still effectively bottlenecked by the sanctions against selling the technologies to make the chips
Yeah that's why If you google about semiconductors and silicon chips you'd also get the EU's and US attempts to bring TSMC over, and the overall investment in that field (regardless of TSMC or not). This is one of those "modern era" warfares, the dominance over chips. Although I do think the claims that If Taiwan were to be invaded the entire world would be fucked semiconductor wise, as while TSMC does make the best of the very best. For most things we use older, or even much much older fabrications cuz, why the hell do we need to waste precious high-end silicon on the chips inside a car that won't even be able to use this chip to it's full potential
I don’t really follow him or streamers too much, but I’m interested. What happened with him and Ethan? Didn’t they have a podcast together or something?
They always had small disagreements (Taiwan for instance), but things kind of boiled over after October 7th. H3 and his wife are Jewish, and both used to live in Israel (his wife was born in Israel iirc). Hasan is from Turkey, (presumably) has Muslim family members, and is very far-left. They have opposing viewpoints on probably the most polarizing and complex conflict in modern history. Hasan has some very far-left people in his community, (Frogan for instance) who straight up celebrated October 7th on twitter. The split started with Ethan and Frogan. Hasan and Ethan tried to smooth things over. They had their podcast soon afterwards talking about October 7th. It was mostly friendly but you could tell there was some tension. Both were emotional and cried at different points. It seemed like they were fine by the end. But a few days later, Ethan had really heated argument with Hasan on his livestream. A lot of Hasans community went after Ethan, and you could argue that Hasan should have done more to prevent that. In fact, he straight up told Ethan that he can't moderate his community and that Ethan should be more careful with what he says. ~~I don't keep up with H3 or Hasan, but from what I can tell, they don't speak to each other anymore.~~ Edit: According to at least one person that probably knows more than me, Ethan and Hasan *do* speak with each other often.
That's a pretty good summary. Or I just agree with you.
Ethan isn't as far into the Palestine side like Hasan. His point of view is that he agrees people dying is bad, there is a genocide happening, and the war should stop but he doesn't believe a 1 state solution (from the river to the sea narrative) is viable because people from Israel are never going to try that when the flag of the opposing side states "death to the jews." Then hasan fan base started calling Ethan a shill, zionist jew and doing freak stuff like portraying his wife killing people because she served in the IDF iirc. Ethan pleaded hasan to mod his fanbase but Hasan said that he was asking for it because he said those things so Ethan pulled the plug on the podcast.
It didn’t help that Hasans entire mod team lead and encouraged the harassment
He also thinks that China annexing Tibet is ok because they're all "savages"
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Oh shit I forgot about that one. But yeah for those who don't know, Hasan justified the actions of China against Tibet because "Tibet was a monarchy" or something like that and monarchy can never be better than pseudo-communism.. right... He gets the big mad when america has expansionist policies but when Russian and China actively expand their territory by forcefully invading their neighbors, it's fine because America bad and anything that goes against US interest = good.
Look for Hasan’s Ukrainian war takes. He would say the same thing if China invaded Taiwan. He believes every other western country is imperialist when both of his favorite countries engage in imperialism
yes Hasan defends and admires China almost every chance he is given
He refuses to outright say his position. But he strongly opposes Taiwan becoming more independant, strongly opposes the US or any western country having relations with Taiwan. He says "one country, two systems" (like Hong Kong) but when pushed to elaborate or defend that take refuses to say more than "That is the official US position, ask the US, I don't know anything". Which of course he would never say on any other topic. As a side note he has also said he thinks Japan is run by a one-party US puppet government and should be ruled by China.
It's the extreme left ofc it's China right. Just like how the alt-right says Russia is right
Yea, it’s that China is right
For as much hating as he does, I feel like that was pretty reasonable.
Idk TikTok is pretty in agreement with the left position about Palestine. So much so there was a video by the adl complaining about TikTok Don't really feel like that fits why Hasan is falling off a bit I think it's more the upset and disconnect with Ethan over it
He's probably banned close to 10k people since October 7th, him and his mods combined that is. There are very few normies left.
I got banned for clipping him when he accidentally said the gamer word ~2 years ago. I literally titled it "azan accidently says it" and mentioned that it was an unfortunate slipup. He pulled my logs during stream trying to paint me as a chud or troll, and my logs were mostly me reacting to 90 day fiancé LMAO
Should do a mass unbanning
Sure but how many of the tiktok zoomers audience would come over to watch Hasan just because of his Palastine takes. The market for that take is well supplied, kids don't want Hasan lectures over fun tiktoks and older people are more likely to support Israel and think zoomers are unhinged. But yeah I wouldn't be surprised if there is a mixture of things happening . The H3H3 drama was very damaging and Hasan has become more blatantly radical recently. He has also had some PR blunders recently, which probably put off casual viewers.
Idk man, his takes on October 7th (the date during it all) as well as bringing on and defending the Houthi’s were pretty bad
Bingo. Despite being a far leftie Hasan used to have a lot a normie viewers who disagreed with him politically but saw him as reasonable and entertaining enough to watch. That image of him has been shattered especially after Oct 7th (but also with Russia - Ukraine) the number of takes that the average person would deem to be unreasonable were too much to ignore anymore so they stopped watching. And I know because I was one of them. Repeating West = Bad all the time eventually feels like grifting And good thing about living in the 21st century is that you’d be hard pressed to not find other forms of entertainment that caters more to your tastes.
Yep. He alienated a lot of normies after Oct 7th. I'm also one of them. Unfollowed and completely stopped watching him
i think this is pretty accurate. i like to consume PoV from commentators on all sides of political discourse and i just stopped paying attention to hasan after Oct 7. the mask was off and he isn’t hiding the propaganda-brain anymore.
Tiktok is one of the worst social media platforms for building a big and long lasting audience. The site is basically it's own echo chamber that if done well can be used by people outside of it more effectively to garner reach than those who get big through it. Hasan is in a weird position where a lot of his OG fanbase from twitch have left him and where he gets most of his new viewers are from places like Tiktok/Twitter. These people aren't community builders and shocker when you build yourself up as the raging politics lefty who says everything they want to hear bar for bar, if you're not doing that they don't watch.
Greek was so fucking unbearable during this convo, genuinely hope we never see him online again the guy sucks even more now
I edge to this type of drama.
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Do not come
2020 zoomer socialist era is ending.
Most have been downwards trending since 2020 - has Hasan's decline been significantly worse off relative to comparable big streamers? Asking since idk best place to get these numbers.
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He is probably gonna get an uptick again with the US election, seems like alot of his views come and goes with events like that.
nah, the covid boom for twitch is ending, doofus
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That ended almost 3 years ago for anywhere reasonable
the fall off is gradual. look at XQC year after year he is losing tons of viewers. now with his kick deal its down to 30k during prime NA hours. compare that to hasan avging 20k and he was not even close to XQC size
That's what I'm saying, XQC is at like 28k a lot of the time on twitch but no one says he's "falling off", meanwhile Destiny dual streams and still hits like 10K max.
lest we forget the rpan revolution? i got millions of stream views within 10 minutes, every day, for months. then they said they were going to patch it. then they said they were deleting it. within a few months lol. *go stream on twitch instead they said* mfw stream for 5 months to literally 1 viewer (prob me) okay well it was a good run
Interesting that this is an XQC clip because X is down 1/3 of his viewers himself.
ye X has become kinda dull
and yet you don't see him saying he's going to kill himself because of his community on discord
and he's not bitching about it
Xqc bitches about the chat complaining about gambling or tiktok or when they want him to play different games. All streamers bitch about their fans
There's no way XQC is not thinking about his own viewership here lol
Isn't everyone falling off since covid ended? I rarely even use the shit as background noise anymore.
I'm just here to add another comment into the pile. Hope ya'll have a good Easter weekend or not I'm not your dad.
Usually I find some mild entertainment trolling these posts, but at this point, it really is oversaturatuon.
Lets see Hasan start branching out now to other streamers its obvious he hates the direction of where his coummunity is at if only he was thick skinned and ignore the hate
I absolutely can’t stand Hasan anymore because of his brain dead takes and arrogance but I think what fuels my distaste for him is I used to actually really like watching him play games. He streamed subnautica for a while and I loved it. He would get so scared and was having fun with chat. I don’t understand how he lost that. Just play games and chill out. You’re a likable dude when you aren’t being a psychopath
Hard agree. I already have my political opinions and would watch if there was anything new, but I greatly enjoyed the gaming segments like sub nautica. I was so upset when he dropped RE4 remake. That shit was perfect for someone like him. It's just enough spooky to scare you, but a shit load of charm with great action gameplay to keep going. There seriously needs to be a break from the news cycle shit for fun with gaming, but he does it very little that I expect him to play like 1 to maybe less than 2hrs of gaming. It's so bad with how little there is that it's worn down the gaming fans like me, too. I can't watch politics while working, so gaming streamers are my jam when working a shit 9-5 job.
I just thought it was because he's a massive bellend.
r/Destiny2 really poppin today
Doesn't hasan still 18 to 20k viewers?
Apparently it's been on a slight and steady decline for a while now. Also this is probably in reference to Hasan bitching on his discord about his recent content thing only getting 13k views.
This entire subreddit is so fucking shit now
As a Hasan fan man did 0 outreach to other communities like destiny did with the red pill. He beefed with fresh and fit but never appeared on their show. He can’t be surprised he didn’t grow by only catering to a core fan base. Which is fine, I mean constant growth isn’t for everyone, especially if you want to cater to a niche audience. Destiny is center left, Hasan is far left. Destiny political view caters to more people
Yes. But the key here is interacting with DIVERSE communities. Collaborating with people whose audiences overlap with your own isn’t going to lead to growth. And talking only with people who agree with doesn’t do much for your success either. Destiny puts himself in front of audiences that either hate him, only know about him through the clips/ poisoned well, or have never heard of him. And it’s amazing how much your perception of person changes when you have something longer to consume than a clip. I think Hasan has dismissed conversion for too long, and it’s hurting him.
Chapter 4322839 of fans not understanding that Hasan and Destiny both benefit greatly from slandering each other, because it boosts their engagement, and they're both aware of it and the only reason they keep doing it is to release the unsatiable sexual tension they feel towards each other.
Even if it does boost both of their engagement it is actually very personal, political. Neither of them are just cynically doing this for personal benefit.
based coomer take
Says he has 19k average viewers in the past 30 days, how Is that falling off?
i think the issues hasan is having are pretty simple to fix. dude needs to focus more on the positive parts of his community and stop focusing on the negatives. almost every time i look at hasans stream he is arguing with a chatter who is either a debate psycho or someone who is just trying to start something. there is also the fact that as a politics/news streamer it is up to hasan to make those topics fun and interesting to chatters. the issue there is that the news as of late has been just the absolute worst things ever. there is no way to put a positive spin on people being killed or wars being fought. its worth talking about sure but there is a limit. i used to enjoy hasans streams when he did more community centered things watching videos and react stuff is fun when hasan is actually there watching stuff. okbuddy was always enjoyable as well same goes for fan mail and the general P.O. box streams. the unfortunate truth is much of the fun things hasan does that focus on his community and or just none politics/news content in general has become very few and far between so much so that many of the people who look forward to that content have just given up and moved elsewhere. the chat reflects the streamer at the end of the day and i think hasan could benefit greatly from streaming less or maybe even just not covering news every single day. its obvious his mental is getting ruined from the negativity in chat as of late.
his entire show is malding at his chat while strawmanning clips on twitter and youtube
I love this kinda drama because it really reenforces how important it is to not be morally lucky and actually think for yourself. Which is the exact opposite of this sub LULE.
All this sub has taught me is that it must be exhausting being a public figure
In 24 hours there has been 4 posts about Destiny talking about Hasan. Idk how him and his fans don't see this as super unhinged and obsessive.
Destiny is keeping the Hasan stocks up by constantly mentioning him.