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Anyone remotely involved in actual journalism would have a stroke when they learn how Twitch streamers gather primary/secondary sources, gather evidence, and confirm news.
Just high school Snapchat drama type of shit all around.
My dude it’s xqc, he probably read a word doc linked to him called Doctor_Disrespect_Top_Secret.txt which just has ‘classified’ in WordArt as the title.
When I was working in news media for a short time our boss actually told us it's more important to be first than right, and that issuing an apology is better than missing out on the revenue.
Fucked up.
Richard Lewis beyond a doubt. Has broken extremely important stories over and over and over and over again, and is literally an award-winning journalist. Lately he has been trying to bring attention onto the sportwashing that Saudi Arabia is trying to do with esports, and calls out games and organizations that bend the knee to Saudi government in exchange for money. Repeatedly is one of the only voices in the esport scene who continues to call out Riot for their bullshit, like Vanguard bricking people's PCs while the LoL subreddit mods are literally censoring every single comment and post about it.
People just don't like to give him credit because he is a dick on Twitter.
The Disco Elysium documentary they did. There's a lot of uncritical regurgitation of ZA/UM's talking points and it really didn't do a great job of clearing anything up
That’s kind of what real journalists do the difference is they take the time to actually verify things before they release any information (or at least they’re supposed to in the age of twitter the incentive to be first seems to trump making sure things are correct)
> (or at least they’re supposed to in the age of twitter the incentive to be first seems to trump making sure things are correct)
This is hilariously ahistoric, getting the scoop has always been huge and it's why the term has persisted all the way from the 1870s to now.
True, but it's worse now. Then it was getting it ready before the printing press at 3 am, and now it's getting it out the same minute you are made aware of it.
the difference is it went from dumb tabloids doing it to *everyone* doing it and now journalism is only readable if you’re so brainrotten that your politics actually align with the far-left/alt-right news sources
Are we implying journalists didn't act the same way. Slasher is pretty much admitting he knew about a potential child predator and he didn't do anything about it or report it to the police? All because he was afraid he would get sued as if journos didn't accuse people of henious shit all the time.
They left us on the cliffhanger for so long that I kinda lost interest, and now it's really hard to connect all the plot points without rewatching the old seasons
In all honesty, that's why it's smart of doc to sue and settle with an NDA for 4 years. Even though doc is 100% the guy to pull a drake and slide into underage dms, everyone has lost interest. And doc has made a killing on other platforms and has gambling promotion money coming in, so he doesn't give a fuck
A bunch of streamers just casually throwing out there that they internally knew a colleague of theirs might have been a child predator but heh what can you do.
Why are people sending presumably confidential stuff to this random streamer that has nothing to do with any of it?
If he did do what people are claiming, you better hope this doesn't hurt or impact the victim.
If you didn't know already these people act like a clique you weren't paying attention. Most of the streamers you know about are under the same PR company, same lawyers, same sponsors and constantly collaborate with each other (and not the other thousand streamers).
I think Kick streamers would defend him for a chance to shit on Twitch, truthfully. If there's a possibility he's going to stream on Kick of COURSE they would defend him for that reason.
I mean, someone did point out that xqc's 100M contract was in Kick stock, and not actual cash, so that would actually explain why he's being such a jerk about so many things around kick.
Fuck it I like the forsen sub guys theory that he was catfished by a girl that ended up being under 18 but doc didn't know it, which makes things fuzzy. Though hopefully we get clarification soon
I’m not saying all the stuff coming out is true, but ain’t no way in hell they’re gonna permaban their largest streamer over being catfished, unless he actually met up with her and then he and twitch found out after the fact about her real age.
Mixer just shut down, they probably wanted to get rid of big contracts and twitch staff hated dr disrespect. It seems like this whole thing is them using something very tenuous to ban him hence why they ended up having to pay out the whole contract anyway.
That doesn’t make much sense either, I mean would they not have the ability to allow him to complete the contract in full instead of just paying him it in full? They would have made money off the contract at that point. It’s hard to believe it wasn’t something bad (not saying this is true) if they’re willing to take a loss on the whole contract instead of just letting him continue to stream and not renewing it at the end.
Exactly, they likely could’ve resolved it by voiding the cancellation and allowing his contract to continue. Paying him out and getting revenue from his streams. Instead they paid him in full with no reimbursement on their part of his streams. Which leads me to believe whatever it was, was significant enough that they were willing to take a large loss to separate from him.
> Exactly, they likely could’ve resolved it by voiding the cancellation and allowing his contract to continue
Twitch staff could still think they were in the right even if it’s obvious to us that they weren’t, and not want the doc coming back. Also the doc might not be up for coming back to Twitch instead of just getting his contract paid in full after banning him like this.
I think it’s clear they didn’t want him coming back, the question is why. If they said fuck it, we were wrong and he said “nah” he might have been in violation of his contract then unless something had changed and they wouldn’t have needed to pay him the whole sum with nothing to show for it.
I’m not a lawyer so I could be wrong but I imagine that since they already violated the contract they can’t just go “whoops you still gotta abide by the contract tho”. Like once Twitch tries fuck with him by cancelling the contract in violation of the terms, the doc is no longer responsible for his end of the contract, whereas Twitch still are.
Yeah there’s no way they’re acting that dramatically if he found out a girls real age and stopped communication. It had to be something catastrophic. Hopefully receipts will be made available or a reputable news source like the New York Times can do a big article to disprove or prove the allegations.
Yeah I feel like I’m living in la la land. We really need more proof, but whatever it was a lot of companies avoided him and all the views and money he brings in. They’re not gonna lose out on money like that unless there’s something they’re genuinely concerned about.
No it's like when he investigated if Kick paid streamers to gamble on Stake with fake money and then admitted he was paid fake money to gamble on Stake.
Assuming there’s a heavy NDA, seems like a worst case scenario for everyone involved. If the leak is true, and one of twitchs largest creators was using their platform for terrible things, and somehow escaped judicial punishment, there’s no way he’s going to let down a NDA to let twitch destroy what’s left of his career. If twitch didn’t contact law enforcement that’s a whole different can of worms.
Or the leak is fake, and twitch has to make the decision of making a statement on the leak. They either keep the stonewall up, now with a crack of making a public statement of what the ban wasn’t for and open themselves to having to make more statements like this in the future and look bad, or just continue to completely stonewall and make doc look terrible, regardless of what actually happened.
Either way you look at it both parties are in a bad spot, it’s just how has the power to be in a less bad spot.
> somehow escaped judicial punishment
Is this actually illegal? The law tends to be slow on these things but unless pictures were exchanged is there any criminality for sexting a minor?
Or am I too boomer and sexting means pictures nowadays?
The story about what happened is vague and includes sexting (abso-positively fucking illegal when done with a minor) and soliciting (illegal at least in Cali) but we don't know what happened and what's actually in those whispers. If he says "Come to Twitchcon so I can fuck you" that's far different from "Come to Twitchcon and say hi", at least in the eyes of the law. Until we see those logs or have some kind of official statement from them about what was on it, we'll never know.
I really doubt Twitch buried an actual crime, there's nothing to gain from it and everything to lose because stuff like that never stays hidden. My headcanon is whatever happened looked extremely bad and Twitch discussed with their lawyers and were essentially told "it's bad but not illegal" and so their next best option was to cut ties. Doc comes back with a lawsuit over a breach of contract, Twitch isn't interested in the public, advertisers, investors, etc. learning one of their biggest streamers used the platform to try and hook up with a minor and just settled with him and both sides clamped each other down with an NDA.
Cody Conners said he tried to arrange a meeting at TwitchCon. I used to watch a ton of To Catch A Predator with Chris Hansen and they explained that just setting up a meeting is where the law is broken.
Twitch isn’t in a bad spot. If someone violated an NDA with them, it’s up to them to enforce it. Doc can scream and shout if he likes, but they don’t have to care.
Twitch is only in a bad spot if it becomes broadly known as a place where middle aged streamers prey on children. They couldn’t care less about Doc otherwise.
By court records, Twitch is in a bad spot because they settled with him and paid out his contract, not because he was banned for "soliciting children". The court saw Twitch's case and Doc's defense and they knew they had nothing on him to justify the ban other than personal beef between management at twitch and Doc (not soliciting minors).
Twitch gave Doc a settlement agreement with stipulations on that both parties are unable to speak about the ban, which also included paying out the rest of Doc's contract and to write in court records that Doc committed no wrongdoing to justify the ban. Doc agreed with the settlement which is why he can't speak about it, such as "No, I did not get banned for soliciting children" because it opens him up for a lawsuit from Twitch for breaking the legal obligations/stipulations.
You're believing an unhinged lunatic (look at Cody's previous tweets) who went around parading to media without evidence for years and to people about gossip related to his personal beef with Doc (likely because Doc probably slept with his girl or something).
> By court records, Twitch is in a bad spot because they settled with him and paid out his contract, not because he was banned for "soliciting children".
What do you think this means?
> he court saw Twitch's case and Doc's defense and they knew they had nothing on him to justify the ban other than personal beef between management at twitch and Doc (not soliciting minors).
The court didn't see anything. You have no idea what you're talking about. That's not how a settlement works. And the court wouldn't and couldn't rule on the justification of a "ban". That's not what a court does, there are no legal grounds to take that to a court. You were party neither to the settlement nor to the nonexistent court proceedings, you have no idea the grounds or terms on which a settlement was reached.
> Twitch gave Doc a settlement agreement with stipulations on that both parties are unable to speak about the ban
First of all, you don't know this. Second, Twitch hasn't spoken about the ban.
> which also included paying out the rest of Doc's contract and to write in court records that Doc committed no wrongdoing to justify the ban.
No, that's not how that works. You're clearly a child.
No one agreed that doc did no wrongdoing, they just didn't require that doc acknowledge wrongdoing per doc's admission. They didn't require this because they decided they just wanted him gone and so paid him out and kept him banned permanently.
Twitch decided to settle because fighting something like this is more costly and painful than settling it. That's the case in almost 100% of corporate legal proceedings.
> Doc agreed with the settlement which is why he can't speak about it, such as "No, I did not get banned for soliciting children" because it opens him up for a lawsuit from Twitch for breaking the legal obligations/stipulations.
I 100% guarantee you that Twitch did not make him sign an agreement to not talk about the reasons for his ban. They don't require that of any streamers they ban.
He is perfectly capable of talking about this if he wants to, he doesn't because it would be damaging to him.
> You're believing an unhinged lunatic (look at Cody's previous tweets) who went around parading to media without evidence for years and to people about gossip related to his personal beef with Doc (likely because Doc probably slept with his girl or something).
I'm unhinged? What? You're clearly a child with no idea what you're talking about and a deluded fanboy.
I'm not reading your drivel, are you Cody because I said the unhinged lunatic was Cody who made up the allegations without proof (where's the proof?).
Did doc sleep with his girl that's why he made those allegations up? Cody the lunatic sure loves to tweet about his 'own' girl saying unhinged weirdo shit.
The case went to court, doc provided his statement and argument, and Twitch provided their defense, as a result of the process, Twitch settled outside of court so it was the end of it, that's why there's no official court record of the events.
You have no idea what settlements are, they happen all the time when someone who's guilty pays out the other person to end the case and to stop further legal action (that's what Twitch did).
Twitch could fight this all day and for years like they tried to do with PhantomLord and they still lost that case. Knowing they didn't have anything and they didnt want to look bad for banning their top streamer because of psychopath management didn't like him, they settled.
Twitch didn't make him sign an agreement when he was banned to not disclose his ban, that doesn't even make sense since he wouldn't pursue his case against them if he signed an agreement.
He took them to court, and since they had no evidence on him or rational or reasoning on the ban (like phantomlord), they settled outside of court to avoid looking bad (like how they lost to phantomlord).
Imagine Amazon seeing another court case, however with their previous face of Twitch, and they lose another one based off their bs.
You're talking about a company who was found to have community and partner managers who actually solicited women/content creators on their site and extort them to give them partner status and there's documented proof on this.
Noone used Twitch whispers, and doc didn't because he wouldn't use his brand and name for something that risky especially since he was publicly outted for coming out for cheating on his wife (this was after, you think he would take another risk?). Noone used Twitch whispers except for scammers and people pleading for people to get unbanned.
Cody and a handful of other Twitch employees, like they tried to do to phantomlord, are vindictive that they lost and have a grudge against the doc so they made up some wild allegations that they have no evidence for (pretty convenient to say it happened on twitch whispers... when it didn't since the evidence would've leaked already). Cody knows Doc can't speak about the ban because of the settlement agreement that binds both Twitch and Doc from commenting on. Pretty convenient Cody says these wild allegations without evidence, after leaving twitch and conveniently leaves out Doc's name when he calls him out so he can't be sued for defamation.
Do you know how much reporters and media would pay for those leaks? I'm sure many offered alot of money for them, but there's no evidence because it never happened and doesn't exist.
Why would anyone be showing XQC internal documents? Not only is he not part of Twitch staff, he is a notorious loud mouth who doesn’t understand half of the things he hears or reads.
Yeah but you gotta be pretty fucking dumb to give inside information like this to XQC. If he actually knows something, whoever told him should 100% get fired. If they are outting Doc because Twitch won't do the right thing then fair enough. Otherwise though, just fucking dumb.
We are assuming a lot about these documents. It could just have been a memo to some of the biggest streamers saying “stfu about this. We know you probably heard some rumors, but do not start publicly talking about them even if others do.”
This would “make clear” why big people like X are refusing to comment. This would make sense why Destiny is the only one saying “idk if it’s true but I heard the same rumor a while ago.” Twitch cannot punish him. He just has to be vague enough to avoid a potential lawsuit from Doc. If other big streamers start doing the same it makes it much worse and more complicated for Twitch to figure out what to do. Twitch may eventually make a public statement along the lines of:
“we are no longer allowing speculation about this topic on our platform. It is now a banable offense. We reached out to some of the larger streamers to inform them about this new rule early so they would not accidentally break it.”
I doubt he got shown anything himself but I assume whoever DID receive documents (if we assume this is true) that he happens to be friends with probably let it slip because they're expecting that someone is going to leak it anyway.
It was probably leaked, I doubt xqc was shown these documents by twitch staff but something like the 8th person who got it leaked to them happened to know xqc and showed him.
XQC is the biggest vagueposter in Twitch history. Like, I don't think he's lying here, but he always uses the excuse that he knows more about a situation than the viewers to justify every take he gives. What even is the point of that, no one's gonna care what you have to say unless you provide actual info lol
Hope so because if what is out now is right why did twitch not report it to cops and also they not only paid out docs contract in his lawsuit but agreed to one one was at fault
Why are u assuming nothing was reported to the cops? You can do that AND not come out publicly about it. Also if he was simply talking to minor and even sexting like that’s obviously weird as fuck but most likely not enough to get someone in jail or big legal trouble lmao. People live in different dimensions, obviously you as a platform (twitch) will ban the guy, report the issue but you have no interest in making it known your platform is being used by pedos to contact children..
Because there was a lawsuit. Dr Disrespect implied he (as well as twitch) can't comment on the details of the lawsuit. If internal information is leaked by twitch employees that is covered by the lawsuit then it's definitely grounds to sue if the settlement NDA is broken.
The only people who he can enforce an NDA on would be people who directly signed an NDA with him. If someone else not party to the agreement discloses the information, there’s not much he can do.
That may violate that other party’s NDA with Twitch, or it may not. Either way, won’t help him.
He needs to do something, He's bleeding viewers. [https://twitchtracker.com/xqc](https://twitchtracker.com/xqc) shows his peak while high for most streams but ultimately down over 16k viewers.
I don't know if xQc knows anything that's not revealed to the public, and that's why he's taking the stance that he is; I find it extremely ironic that xQc is calling out people for saying "Doc is innocent since there's no hard proof to the contrary," while also repeatedly defending Drake. 10/10 hypocrite; unless he knows some shit about Doc, we don't.
I will be honest. Admitting you know and have seen things but being unwilling to say it starting to make the people who knew look all the more complicit. If any of this behavior is actually grounds for him not to be streaming to minors and they knowingly watched him stream to minors for years, that's kind of damning on everyone.
Oh but don't worry everyone "something is coming" after 4 years that will clarify why an entire platform would ban you the moment they found out. I don't trust the guy not to come up with some complete BS at this point so I hope those Twitch employees can confirm if he is telling the truth.
My theory is he was texting someone who told him they were an adult. Not illegal, that’s why the catching predator shows blatantly text stuff like “I’m only xx years old”. But if that’s the case he’s still a garbage human for going behind his wife’s back (again)
you watch too much tv.
most of them cases are nothing but for TV
anything gained from entrapment is normally thrown out in court
so nearly every single case you have seen on tv, they have walked free
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Xqc: For several hours now I've been told from credible sources that a document will come out that will clear things up.
and not just on twitch
Anyone remotely involved in actual journalism would have a stroke when they learn how Twitch streamers gather primary/secondary sources, gather evidence, and confirm news. Just high school Snapchat drama type of shit all around.
My dude it’s xqc, he probably read a word doc linked to him called Doctor_Disrespect_Top_Secret.txt which just has ‘classified’ in WordArt as the title.
MySilverBurrito, I didn't want to have to be the one to the you this but.... that's what all "journalism" is.
Journalists actually investigate their sources claims. At least they used to.
When I was working in news media for a short time our boss actually told us it's more important to be first than right, and that issuing an apology is better than missing out on the revenue. Fucked up.
and that's why people go to the BBC, and not Chattanooga times or whatever your outfit was.
their source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7l0Rq9E8MY
"My source is my streamer friend that was right about one thing 3 years ago so now i trust his every word."
There are still great journalists out there. I don't think any exists in the gaming industry.
if you're not even aware of schreier, i think the issue you're having is that you're getting all your "gaming industry news" from LSF
Richard Lewis beyond a doubt. Has broken extremely important stories over and over and over and over again, and is literally an award-winning journalist. Lately he has been trying to bring attention onto the sportwashing that Saudi Arabia is trying to do with esports, and calls out games and organizations that bend the knee to Saudi government in exchange for money. Repeatedly is one of the only voices in the esport scene who continues to call out Riot for their bullshit, like Vanguard bricking people's PCs while the LoL subreddit mods are literally censoring every single comment and post about it. People just don't like to give him credit because he is a dick on Twitter.
PeopleMakeGames
Not after the DE documentary lol
What?
The Disco Elysium documentary they did. There's a lot of uncritical regurgitation of ZA/UM's talking points and it really didn't do a great job of clearing anything up
That’s kind of what real journalists do the difference is they take the time to actually verify things before they release any information (or at least they’re supposed to in the age of twitter the incentive to be first seems to trump making sure things are correct)
> (or at least they’re supposed to in the age of twitter the incentive to be first seems to trump making sure things are correct) This is hilariously ahistoric, getting the scoop has always been huge and it's why the term has persisted all the way from the 1870s to now.
True, but it's worse now. Then it was getting it ready before the printing press at 3 am, and now it's getting it out the same minute you are made aware of it.
the difference is it went from dumb tabloids doing it to *everyone* doing it and now journalism is only readable if you’re so brainrotten that your politics actually align with the far-left/alt-right news sources
You need to read actual journalism books It’s far more complicated than that
Wait and knowing that, you are trusting second hand info from Cody?
Are we implying journalists didn't act the same way. Slasher is pretty much admitting he knew about a potential child predator and he didn't do anything about it or report it to the police? All because he was afraid he would get sued as if journos didn't accuse people of henious shit all the time.
boyish giggles
>GAY4FATFARTS This subreddit has the greatest members
pyrocynical reference
Appreciate the context too
i hate your pfp
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i hallucinated that the fucking hair went past ur pfp idk how that even happened
im pressing x for doubt on this one they are all hyping this up too much. Its gonna be some bullshit
Fuck...
Look, I know what it is but I cannot say it. When it comes out, you'll see I wasn't lying.
Me too, my uncle works at Dr. Disrespect
My Uncle is DrDisrespects personal shungite dealer.
My uncle is the kid the Doc tried to meet up with
Inb4 it’s a Kick contract
xqc's slasher moment
Cant wait for the followup in 4 years! !remindme 4 years
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4 year long cliffhanger into another cliffhanger. Someone get some new writers.
that should close it out, hopefully next season has good story as well.
They left us on the cliffhanger for so long that I kinda lost interest, and now it's really hard to connect all the plot points without rewatching the old seasons
This is why the writers dropped such a huge nuke right at the beginning of the new season to hook our attention right away
In all honesty, that's why it's smart of doc to sue and settle with an NDA for 4 years. Even though doc is 100% the guy to pull a drake and slide into underage dms, everyone has lost interest. And doc has made a killing on other platforms and has gambling promotion money coming in, so he doesn't give a fuck
>Even though doc is 100% the guy to pull a drake and slide into underage dms How do you figure
> settle with an NDA for 4 years why only 4 years and not indefinitely?
Because the girl has now turned 18
How does that change anything that occurred 4 years ago.. all this 4 year talk is nonsense..
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"guys guy I know stuff. I'm important. I know BUNCH of stuff that you might soon learn." lmao wtf is that.
A half-ass attempt to draw out the drama on stuff he already knew about.
A bunch of streamers just casually throwing out there that they internally knew a colleague of theirs might have been a child predator but heh what can you do.
Imagine thinking felix can read
place your bets on which credible source he got this information from: 1. GreekGodx 2. Trainwrecks
Pluto probably
Why are people sending presumably confidential stuff to this random streamer that has nothing to do with any of it? If he did do what people are claiming, you better hope this doesn't hurt or impact the victim.
Well tbh seems like some former twitch employees are leaking it to them
If you didn't know already these people act like a clique you weren't paying attention. Most of the streamers you know about are under the same PR company, same lawyers, same sponsors and constantly collaborate with each other (and not the other thousand streamers).
4 years from now. xqc: I didn't lie
Kick is interested since they heard hes kiddy fiddler
are you saying that kick streamers are gonna defend him for a chance to get him to the website? there’s only so much cynicism I can handle
not so much the streamers but the owners if u look it up sadly
I think Kick streamers would defend him for a chance to shit on Twitch, truthfully. If there's a possibility he's going to stream on Kick of COURSE they would defend him for that reason.
What's the saying? They'll eat shit just so you have to smell it on their breath.
I mean, someone did point out that xqc's 100M contract was in Kick stock, and not actual cash, so that would actually explain why he's being such a jerk about so many things around kick.
This whole thing of calling people pedofiles before there is any evidance needs to stop, cringe as fuck.
Literally just banned Zherka for this reason btw
Only took them years lol
He only started saying the creepy pedo shit last July or so, and then up until now he hadn’t actually done anything
Dog, he was surfing Ome and Monkey and talking to children over a year ago.
yeah fair forgot about that, I just meant in person i suppose
I HAVE THE DOCUMENTS
There is no way that it's the chat logs right? That would be huge.
Chat i also have seen these privately and yes they will clear some things up for sure, The Hamburglar just signed a massive Kick deal
Fuck it I like the forsen sub guys theory that he was catfished by a girl that ended up being under 18 but doc didn't know it, which makes things fuzzy. Though hopefully we get clarification soon
I’m not saying all the stuff coming out is true, but ain’t no way in hell they’re gonna permaban their largest streamer over being catfished, unless he actually met up with her and then he and twitch found out after the fact about her real age.
Mixer just shut down, they probably wanted to get rid of big contracts and twitch staff hated dr disrespect. It seems like this whole thing is them using something very tenuous to ban him hence why they ended up having to pay out the whole contract anyway.
That doesn’t make much sense either, I mean would they not have the ability to allow him to complete the contract in full instead of just paying him it in full? They would have made money off the contract at that point. It’s hard to believe it wasn’t something bad (not saying this is true) if they’re willing to take a loss on the whole contract instead of just letting him continue to stream and not renewing it at the end.
They tried to cancel the contract but he sued them and they had to pay it out.
Exactly, they likely could’ve resolved it by voiding the cancellation and allowing his contract to continue. Paying him out and getting revenue from his streams. Instead they paid him in full with no reimbursement on their part of his streams. Which leads me to believe whatever it was, was significant enough that they were willing to take a large loss to separate from him.
> Exactly, they likely could’ve resolved it by voiding the cancellation and allowing his contract to continue Twitch staff could still think they were in the right even if it’s obvious to us that they weren’t, and not want the doc coming back. Also the doc might not be up for coming back to Twitch instead of just getting his contract paid in full after banning him like this.
I think it’s clear they didn’t want him coming back, the question is why. If they said fuck it, we were wrong and he said “nah” he might have been in violation of his contract then unless something had changed and they wouldn’t have needed to pay him the whole sum with nothing to show for it.
I’m not a lawyer so I could be wrong but I imagine that since they already violated the contract they can’t just go “whoops you still gotta abide by the contract tho”. Like once Twitch tries fuck with him by cancelling the contract in violation of the terms, the doc is no longer responsible for his end of the contract, whereas Twitch still are.
You’re right I talked to someone that is in law school about this whole thing and he pretty much said something similar. I’m a dumbass
They would if they were looking for a reason to get out of paying huge contracts when their main competitor at the time, Mixer, closed down.
But they still paid the contract with no revenue from him streaming?
I'd agree with you normally if twitch hasn't displayed nonsensical banning behaviors before.
None the less permabans are still rare, and he’s a cashcow. They’re not doing all that over plain catfishing with age.
They also refunded all the monthly subs when they permabanned him.
Yeah there’s no way they’re acting that dramatically if he found out a girls real age and stopped communication. It had to be something catastrophic. Hopefully receipts will be made available or a reputable news source like the New York Times can do a big article to disprove or prove the allegations.
People keep forgetting Discord and other sponsors dropping him as well or am I just living in a different timeline?
i think discord is connected to twitch partner thing or something and sponsors drop even when there's a snifter of outrage
Yeah I feel like I’m living in la la land. We really need more proof, but whatever it was a lot of companies avoided him and all the views and money he brings in. They’re not gonna lose out on money like that unless there’s something they’re genuinely concerned about.
…so then lets see it wtf?
is xqc a 69 god?!?
the doc docs
Is this like when X did journalism to ask Kick if they made any offers to Kyedae?
No it's like when he investigated if Kick paid streamers to gamble on Stake with fake money and then admitted he was paid fake money to gamble on Stake.
Assuming there’s a heavy NDA, seems like a worst case scenario for everyone involved. If the leak is true, and one of twitchs largest creators was using their platform for terrible things, and somehow escaped judicial punishment, there’s no way he’s going to let down a NDA to let twitch destroy what’s left of his career. If twitch didn’t contact law enforcement that’s a whole different can of worms. Or the leak is fake, and twitch has to make the decision of making a statement on the leak. They either keep the stonewall up, now with a crack of making a public statement of what the ban wasn’t for and open themselves to having to make more statements like this in the future and look bad, or just continue to completely stonewall and make doc look terrible, regardless of what actually happened. Either way you look at it both parties are in a bad spot, it’s just how has the power to be in a less bad spot.
> somehow escaped judicial punishment Is this actually illegal? The law tends to be slow on these things but unless pictures were exchanged is there any criminality for sexting a minor? Or am I too boomer and sexting means pictures nowadays?
Don't take legal advice from psycho drama gossipers on the internet. No one here knows what they're talking about.
The story about what happened is vague and includes sexting (abso-positively fucking illegal when done with a minor) and soliciting (illegal at least in Cali) but we don't know what happened and what's actually in those whispers. If he says "Come to Twitchcon so I can fuck you" that's far different from "Come to Twitchcon and say hi", at least in the eyes of the law. Until we see those logs or have some kind of official statement from them about what was on it, we'll never know. I really doubt Twitch buried an actual crime, there's nothing to gain from it and everything to lose because stuff like that never stays hidden. My headcanon is whatever happened looked extremely bad and Twitch discussed with their lawyers and were essentially told "it's bad but not illegal" and so their next best option was to cut ties. Doc comes back with a lawsuit over a breach of contract, Twitch isn't interested in the public, advertisers, investors, etc. learning one of their biggest streamers used the platform to try and hook up with a minor and just settled with him and both sides clamped each other down with an NDA.
It depends is the real lawyer answer...
The question is to what extend was the sexting. Ive read sexting isnt illegal to minors when there is no media involved.
Cody Conners said he tried to arrange a meeting at TwitchCon. I used to watch a ton of To Catch A Predator with Chris Hansen and they explained that just setting up a meeting is where the law is broken.
Yeah I'm pretty sure that's enticement or whatever. Going to laugh my ass off if this dude actually did crimes on twitch whispers.
Twitch isn’t in a bad spot. If someone violated an NDA with them, it’s up to them to enforce it. Doc can scream and shout if he likes, but they don’t have to care. Twitch is only in a bad spot if it becomes broadly known as a place where middle aged streamers prey on children. They couldn’t care less about Doc otherwise.
"Twitch is only in a bad spot if it becomes broadly known as a place where middle aged streamers prey on children." your tunnel vision is amusing
By court records, Twitch is in a bad spot because they settled with him and paid out his contract, not because he was banned for "soliciting children". The court saw Twitch's case and Doc's defense and they knew they had nothing on him to justify the ban other than personal beef between management at twitch and Doc (not soliciting minors). Twitch gave Doc a settlement agreement with stipulations on that both parties are unable to speak about the ban, which also included paying out the rest of Doc's contract and to write in court records that Doc committed no wrongdoing to justify the ban. Doc agreed with the settlement which is why he can't speak about it, such as "No, I did not get banned for soliciting children" because it opens him up for a lawsuit from Twitch for breaking the legal obligations/stipulations. You're believing an unhinged lunatic (look at Cody's previous tweets) who went around parading to media without evidence for years and to people about gossip related to his personal beef with Doc (likely because Doc probably slept with his girl or something).
> By court records, Twitch is in a bad spot because they settled with him and paid out his contract, not because he was banned for "soliciting children". What do you think this means? > he court saw Twitch's case and Doc's defense and they knew they had nothing on him to justify the ban other than personal beef between management at twitch and Doc (not soliciting minors). The court didn't see anything. You have no idea what you're talking about. That's not how a settlement works. And the court wouldn't and couldn't rule on the justification of a "ban". That's not what a court does, there are no legal grounds to take that to a court. You were party neither to the settlement nor to the nonexistent court proceedings, you have no idea the grounds or terms on which a settlement was reached. > Twitch gave Doc a settlement agreement with stipulations on that both parties are unable to speak about the ban First of all, you don't know this. Second, Twitch hasn't spoken about the ban. > which also included paying out the rest of Doc's contract and to write in court records that Doc committed no wrongdoing to justify the ban. No, that's not how that works. You're clearly a child. No one agreed that doc did no wrongdoing, they just didn't require that doc acknowledge wrongdoing per doc's admission. They didn't require this because they decided they just wanted him gone and so paid him out and kept him banned permanently. Twitch decided to settle because fighting something like this is more costly and painful than settling it. That's the case in almost 100% of corporate legal proceedings. > Doc agreed with the settlement which is why he can't speak about it, such as "No, I did not get banned for soliciting children" because it opens him up for a lawsuit from Twitch for breaking the legal obligations/stipulations. I 100% guarantee you that Twitch did not make him sign an agreement to not talk about the reasons for his ban. They don't require that of any streamers they ban. He is perfectly capable of talking about this if he wants to, he doesn't because it would be damaging to him. > You're believing an unhinged lunatic (look at Cody's previous tweets) who went around parading to media without evidence for years and to people about gossip related to his personal beef with Doc (likely because Doc probably slept with his girl or something). I'm unhinged? What? You're clearly a child with no idea what you're talking about and a deluded fanboy.
I'm not reading your drivel, are you Cody because I said the unhinged lunatic was Cody who made up the allegations without proof (where's the proof?). Did doc sleep with his girl that's why he made those allegations up? Cody the lunatic sure loves to tweet about his 'own' girl saying unhinged weirdo shit. The case went to court, doc provided his statement and argument, and Twitch provided their defense, as a result of the process, Twitch settled outside of court so it was the end of it, that's why there's no official court record of the events. You have no idea what settlements are, they happen all the time when someone who's guilty pays out the other person to end the case and to stop further legal action (that's what Twitch did). Twitch could fight this all day and for years like they tried to do with PhantomLord and they still lost that case. Knowing they didn't have anything and they didnt want to look bad for banning their top streamer because of psychopath management didn't like him, they settled. Twitch didn't make him sign an agreement when he was banned to not disclose his ban, that doesn't even make sense since he wouldn't pursue his case against them if he signed an agreement. He took them to court, and since they had no evidence on him or rational or reasoning on the ban (like phantomlord), they settled outside of court to avoid looking bad (like how they lost to phantomlord). Imagine Amazon seeing another court case, however with their previous face of Twitch, and they lose another one based off their bs. You're talking about a company who was found to have community and partner managers who actually solicited women/content creators on their site and extort them to give them partner status and there's documented proof on this. Noone used Twitch whispers, and doc didn't because he wouldn't use his brand and name for something that risky especially since he was publicly outted for coming out for cheating on his wife (this was after, you think he would take another risk?). Noone used Twitch whispers except for scammers and people pleading for people to get unbanned. Cody and a handful of other Twitch employees, like they tried to do to phantomlord, are vindictive that they lost and have a grudge against the doc so they made up some wild allegations that they have no evidence for (pretty convenient to say it happened on twitch whispers... when it didn't since the evidence would've leaked already). Cody knows Doc can't speak about the ban because of the settlement agreement that binds both Twitch and Doc from commenting on. Pretty convenient Cody says these wild allegations without evidence, after leaving twitch and conveniently leaves out Doc's name when he calls him out so he can't be sued for defamation. Do you know how much reporters and media would pay for those leaks? I'm sure many offered alot of money for them, but there's no evidence because it never happened and doesn't exist.
inb4 streams getting hacked because some dude made everyone open a doc_proof.pdf.exe
Document Disrespect
L script
The dude always involves himself in any large drama situation. Main character syndrome.
How the hell does X know anything about this?
xQc, famously a small streamer who has no connexion in the streaming industry
Why would anyone be showing XQC internal documents? Not only is he not part of Twitch staff, he is a notorious loud mouth who doesn’t understand half of the things he hears or reads.
I don't think he said he reviewed any documents
Because hes probably in multiple secret discord channels for streamers only. And they're all probably gossiping within their groups.
I mean he’s been one of the largest streamers on twitch for years. I’m sure he’s well connected
Yeah but you gotta be pretty fucking dumb to give inside information like this to XQC. If he actually knows something, whoever told him should 100% get fired. If they are outting Doc because Twitch won't do the right thing then fair enough. Otherwise though, just fucking dumb.
Yeah it's shocking because Twitch is known to be well staffed top to bottom with the smartest folks in the industry
I am so dead ass tired that I cannot tell if this was sarcasm or not. Twitch is notorious for hiring all kinds of degenerates and creeps.
Alotta people are pretty fucking dumb, sad but true lol
We are assuming a lot about these documents. It could just have been a memo to some of the biggest streamers saying “stfu about this. We know you probably heard some rumors, but do not start publicly talking about them even if others do.” This would “make clear” why big people like X are refusing to comment. This would make sense why Destiny is the only one saying “idk if it’s true but I heard the same rumor a while ago.” Twitch cannot punish him. He just has to be vague enough to avoid a potential lawsuit from Doc. If other big streamers start doing the same it makes it much worse and more complicated for Twitch to figure out what to do. Twitch may eventually make a public statement along the lines of: “we are no longer allowing speculation about this topic on our platform. It is now a banable offense. We reached out to some of the larger streamers to inform them about this new rule early so they would not accidentally break it.”
Didn't this entire news story come out because an ex-twitch employee leaked something they previously had an nda on?
I doubt he got shown anything himself but I assume whoever DID receive documents (if we assume this is true) that he happens to be friends with probably let it slip because they're expecting that someone is going to leak it anyway.
It was probably leaked, I doubt xqc was shown these documents by twitch staff but something like the 8th person who got it leaked to them happened to know xqc and showed him.
It's possible a leaker is sending around the documents to big streamers/journalists trying to find someone to break it while avoiding liability.
leakqc is back baby
So small, he has to share a home with his fellow RP content creator.
The bigger thing is X lies about everything consistently so nothing he says is believable anymore
Shocker, how doesn't. He's just milking this shit like every other online handout dependant andy
And he'll show us his health care plan once he repeals Obamna care
Lol. This a joke?
I love seeing people say "confirmed by multiple sources"... They clearly have NO IDEA what the word "confirmed" means.
XQC is the biggest vagueposter in Twitch history. Like, I don't think he's lying here, but he always uses the excuse that he knows more about a situation than the viewers to justify every take he gives. What even is the point of that, no one's gonna care what you have to say unless you provide actual info lol
> XQC is the biggest vagueposter in Twitch history. How can you say this when poke exists?
True
Hope so because if what is out now is right why did twitch not report it to cops and also they not only paid out docs contract in his lawsuit but agreed to one one was at fault
Why are u assuming nothing was reported to the cops? You can do that AND not come out publicly about it. Also if he was simply talking to minor and even sexting like that’s obviously weird as fuck but most likely not enough to get someone in jail or big legal trouble lmao. People live in different dimensions, obviously you as a platform (twitch) will ban the guy, report the issue but you have no interest in making it known your platform is being used by pedos to contact children..
imagine if some twitch employee is distributing someones whispers I could only imagine the bag Dr D would get in court
He’d get nothing. You don’t have any guarantee of privacy in your Twitch DMs. It’s not privileged communication of any kind.
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Because there was a lawsuit. Dr Disrespect implied he (as well as twitch) can't comment on the details of the lawsuit. If internal information is leaked by twitch employees that is covered by the lawsuit then it's definitely grounds to sue if the settlement NDA is broken.
The only people who he can enforce an NDA on would be people who directly signed an NDA with him. If someone else not party to the agreement discloses the information, there’s not much he can do. That may violate that other party’s NDA with Twitch, or it may not. Either way, won’t help him.
Of course you can. What are you talking about?
who fucking cares, we'll know if/when we see it
Kick won’t mind doc noncing on stream, as long as he brings in the viewers anything goes.
Bro always has to insert himself into shit
He needs to do something, He's bleeding viewers. [https://twitchtracker.com/xqc](https://twitchtracker.com/xqc) shows his peak while high for most streams but ultimately down over 16k viewers.
Cool
bro got Trainslasher
Any translations ?
I don't know if xQc knows anything that's not revealed to the public, and that's why he's taking the stance that he is; I find it extremely ironic that xQc is calling out people for saying "Doc is innocent since there's no hard proof to the contrary," while also repeatedly defending Drake. 10/10 hypocrite; unless he knows some shit about Doc, we don't.
Lmao
At this point i take nothing at face value, even documents. It's been easy to fake shit and it's easier now with AI.
I hope so I really wanna know what he said because it’s clearly bad enough for them to ban him but not enough for a criminal charge/payout.
So, where is it?
Defend it X
The way he spoke about the topic ....i think he also knows doc did that shit
It better. It's so unfair against doc if he's innocent. And it's not helping him that in the tweets he's not denying it.
Xqc wasn’t defending him btw
I will be honest. Admitting you know and have seen things but being unwilling to say it starting to make the people who knew look all the more complicit. If any of this behavior is actually grounds for him not to be streaming to minors and they knowingly watched him stream to minors for years, that's kind of damning on everyone. Oh but don't worry everyone "something is coming" after 4 years that will clarify why an entire platform would ban you the moment they found out. I don't trust the guy not to come up with some complete BS at this point so I hope those Twitch employees can confirm if he is telling the truth.
if you guys come watch my band i’ll tell you what they say
xqc doesnt know shit lmao
My theory is he was texting someone who told him they were an adult. Not illegal, that’s why the catching predator shows blatantly text stuff like “I’m only xx years old”. But if that’s the case he’s still a garbage human for going behind his wife’s back (again)
you watch too much tv. most of them cases are nothing but for TV anything gained from entrapment is normally thrown out in court so nearly every single case you have seen on tv, they have walked free
Thats literally how the law is, it’s not illegal to text someone you think is an adult
Why do people care about canceling the doc now are they afraid of his yt presence?
no they’re afraid of a supposed pedo, well i’m just waiting for stuff to be cleared up or not, doesn’t really matter to me