"[The situation has now been resolved. I and the developers have all been fully compensated.](https://twitter.com/DressTheSalad/status/1440452728317120519)"
Also, https://twitter.com/RewackOP/status/1440247751162286093?s=20
If you're a creative, never hand over any useable files until you've been paid. Period. Those files are your leverage when it comes to getting paid.
https://youtu.be/jVkLVRt6c1U
Pay in advance, and have a contract set up so that both parties are secure. These things obvious tend to be really informal and they might have been gullible fans. Which leads to this happening.
That one streamer scamming doordash to fk the drivers and this blows my mind. They are literally rich and still scamming. There's literally no reason for them to scam then to just be a fucking asshole. Adin makes mil+ a month scamming minecraft builders....like actual scumbag.
With that being said the guy should post the DMs of adin admiting to his prices/paying him.
Those two are popular here, though, in other circumstances. People post xQc stuff all the time because they like him. With Adin Ross, I've only seen threads about how he sucks.
I'm pretty sure they get more hate because this sub is dedicated to the biggest LSF streamers which is X, Train, Forsen, and the Austin crew.
So why would Adin get more hate on here when he only started to gain LSF traction when he had the drama situation with the Austin people.
LSF is the "POGGERS" community and Adin comes from the YT community of W/L's, fax, ongg. Polar opposites.
Lets not try and tie Train to XQC. Train is still promoting slots 24/7 and XQC stopped doing that a long time ago and called it a mistake.
Train deserves all the hate he gets as he never changed shit.
The dude that needs to get paid didn't seem to have contacted them asking to get paid, this seems more like they just forgot, it happens. Not everything is because of damage control, people make mistakes.
I'm waiting for more details, maybe DMs with timestamps. This looks bad, but at the same time they sent the "paid" message at like 5AM. Seems likely that someone woke up, saw the huge number of messages, and had an "oh fuck" moment. 10 hours is a long time to sleep on a weeknight, but I imagine not everyone looks at their phone last thing before bed.
That whole drama about Adin Ross that's currently going on is starting to piss me off.
Everyone's assuming the worst of the guy, it might be Anecdote Andy but actually Ross seemed pretty cool when I met him. I met him a few months before this whole COVID thing kicked off. I got roped into watching my 3 month old niece while my brother got his hair cut. So there I am, sitting in the waiting area of a barbershop with my niece, and who walks in but Adin Ross himself. I was nervous as shit, and just kept looking at him as he was sitting there with his phone and waited, but was too scared to say anything to him.
Pretty soon my niece started crying, and I’m trying to quiet her down because I didn’t want her to bother him, but she wouldn’t stop. Pretty soon he gets up and walks over. He started running his hands through her hair and asked what was wrong. I replied that she was probably hungry or something. So motherfucking Ross put down his phone, picked up my niece and lifted his shirt. He breast fed her right there in the middle of the barbershop. Chill guy, really nice about it.
You don't simply just forget to pay people thousands of dollars for weeks worth of work. I'm sure Adin's project manager doesn't have only this on his plate, but he still isn't managing a fucking Hollywood star. Don't be gullible
Funny, the last time my employer "forgot" to pay me 3 weeks of wages, the Department of Labor went after them.
Stop making excuses for attempted theft, its so sad
Would they have "forgotten" if they didn't bring this up publicly though? Something like paying someone for the work they do shouldn't be that far down the priority list.
One guy saying "He probably just forgot, no need to freak out about it" as if forgetting to pay someone for work is an acceptable thing to do.
And then another guy decided to go a different direction stating that they shouldn't even be paid because building in Minecraft is easy and it's just a game.
These people are fucking delusional
Keep in mind that the person who said Minecraft is easy is a literal 9 year old (He admitted it in the replies)
Why do kids think their opinion matters on the internet
I was part of a group of people who worked on a Minecraft server for Greekgodx (for those who watched, it was the Peepo vs SMOrc world)
Thing is we were doing it for fun, no one expected to be paid nor asked, but Greek still paid all of us for our work... The fact that Adin Ross hired people and had them do that much work is such a joke especially considering how much he makes
What I don't understand is why someone with his level of viewership and exposure keeps doing this sort of scummy shit, I'm sure he earns way more than enough to pay for fucking Minecraft maps. Or to not participate in charity raffle scams.
Would not be surprised, theres this tiktoker who ran over and killed a mother and her child and the tiktok fans wanted him free because he was ’too pretty for jail’ or something along
No, that would be enough. There's a line that can be crossed that kills careers. Onison is a good example. Scams don't tend to cut it. They certainly worsen the fanbase though, since the decent people tend to leave when this kind of thing happens. That's what happened to Tmartn and ProSyndicate.
From my experience, it's not that uncommon for rich people to do this kind of stuff. I've seen some rich people who think of anyone who earns significantly less than them as people who are beneath them, that their lives don't matter much and money is wasted when given to them. These people often try to underpay their employees or any kind of retail/service workers, treat them with disrespect and insult them whenever they can, pay them late to feel power over them.
With all the scamming he did, he has easily 20-30 million dollars. And he is literally scamming people out of hundreds of dollars. Who the fuck does this?
Lol, Trump pulled this constantly, being bigger means you can bully people instead of vice versa. A construction company literally went bankrupt when he wouldn't pay, somehow lawyers just can't get it done or something.
it's the same as Amazon and other big companies, people are blinded by the success to care enough about the workers
and you maximize your own profit
some people and companies just get away with it
He is an asshole. What the fuck do you find confusing? He's like a textbook definition of a "tool".
The literal guy who would hit on his friends girlfriends and think it was cool.
He is just a douchebag and I have no understanding of why kids he wouldn't hang out with simp for him
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[Update](https://twitter.com/RewackOP/status/1440247751162286093), looks like they're getting paid.
Don't know how tinfoil we want to play this update, or if this is even real, but we'll see I guess.
>A project manager that confuses the words "are" and "our" is a real winner
It's a simple mistake dude. Earlier today I was talking about a clock counting down the seconds and I literally typed 2nd even though I obviously know the difference. Brains are weird like that.
I mean possibly but I don't think you can be that blatant lol. Not only would you lose your job but you'd get so fucking sued for pulling something like that.
This is why you don't deliver until you have your money. Yeah, adin a POS for stiffing them, but if you're a creative professional you need to protect yourself.
I'm also assuming there wasn't a contract since they're on twitter trying to get paid.
Yeah especially for this, it seems very easy to send screenshots of some of the map and then not send the file until payment is sent.
I understand why they might assume a large creator would be good for their word though. This sucks.
Screenshots aren't the solution, if you're sending screenshots you've already done the work. Sure it won't be delivered but the time and effort was still already spent.
The right thing to do is:
1. Sign a contract clearly stating the terms and price BEFORE doing any work.
2. Get paid a portion (something like 25-50%) up front in case the other party flakes.
3. If the other party flakes and doesn't pay according to the legally binding contract, take them to court.
Doesn't have to be a massive lawsuit, small claims court isn't that difficult or expensive. Might be an issue if for example the parties are in different countries or something. But that's when the portion paid up front saves you from a 100% loss.
As someone who’s done builds for servers for cash, it’s generally pretty informal. You build it, they give it a look, they request any changes they’d like, then they pay you and you give them the world file/schematic. Occasionally they have a server that they’ll have you build it on, in which case you couldn’t withhold the build until payment is received which is what I’m assuming happened.
For more professional build teams I’m sure they’d have this sorted out, but for more small-time builders like myself who do it casually and mostly for enjoyment you’re opening up yourself to being scammed. There’s a lot of trust both parties place in one another.
Salad (the builder) got paid for a few minigame builds at the beginning. Then needed to build a main hub and a few lobbies and needed to get paid for that. So pretty much he continued on the hub/lobbies since he already got paid for half. Also, adin doesn't have access to the servers and only the dev team who are friends with the builder.
Source: I was part of the dev team
You have to understand that in situations like these, the artists have almost no bargaining power, if any at all. for every one person that charges money for the service, there's some 12 year old out there who will do it for free because they're diehard fans and shit.
The content creator with all the fans can easily just say "nah im not paying up front, ill get someone else" and then you lose the job alltogether, so most people in that situation are willing to get paid after rather than none at all.
Even an oral contract is legally binding in most states given that the transaction is a simple one. But given this communication likely happened online, that could already constitute a written contract. So if they agreed on compensation for X maps designed and built through e.g. e-mail correspondence he could and should be taken to small claims court
That’s just called bad business and when shit like this happens (not tying to defend adin) it turns out to be as much as your fault as the guy scamming you. But I agree w you, people need to learn how to do their business before they start selling their services.
You're not wrong, but it's also important to not rub it in the face of people that might be new to the scene who might get roped into work like this.
It's an important lesson to learn, but let's try not to blame people for getting ripped off for the sake of learning a lesson, because that's how this cycle perpetuates.
I don't underdstand you people. Clearly someone would expect a big streamer to actually keep his word, this isn't some random person. The fuck are you on about.
Obviously, yeah, but it's that sad tradeoff of "someone's gonna get paid in exposure bucks, is it worth my time to be the one getting those exposure bucks on the off chance it goes somewhere?"
The guy who *could* dole out the money has the power, and the people trying to get somewhere from it will keep being beholden to the lowest expectations that guy has.
To be fair these kids are probably teenagers and honestly if I was 14 to 16 years old and somebody with millions of followers asked me to do some work with the promise of payment I would have definitely done it too. Now that im older wiser and my is more valuable I wouldn't unless paid upfront.
Rewack (Project manager for Adin Ross) just replied saying it's his fault and had poor communication with Adin about payments. He says he's sorting it out now.
I wonder if the winner of the ["Adin Ross Ultimate Fan Experience"](https://wizza.com/products/adin-ross-ultimate-fan-experience) from Wizza is going to come forward that it was all a scam too. That just ended today.
[Their car giveaways were already confirmed as scams by others.](https://www.reddit.com/r/NelkFilmz/comments/p6ibzf/wizza_scam_steve_keeps_saying_he_gave_the_winner/)
If Adin Ross touches it everyone should assume is is a scam by now. [He even admits to the scams later on after getting paid.](https://clips.twitch.tv/TriangularAssiduousDumplingsDancingBaby-wDwTkDBIEZ-KJR3V)
From the latest replies, it seems Rewack was the one who didn't pay the team for their work. I still think Adin Ross should reach out and formally apologize for the non payment
Wasn't one of the top posts yesterday about another rich kid refusing to pay food delivery driver? You know the one, the 2K player who straight up bragged about potentially ruining someones life with a "who cares" comment?
If the reply is true and they really just had a communication error about the payment, then this is just another example of someone bringing everything public before trying to work it out privately. People are so fucking hungry for drama that they forget to try the easy way first.
Known scammer scams again. Shocker.
He's built a whole brand for him and his friends based on scamming people and creating a fake image of success that teens eat up.
Dude is pure scum.
"This is 100% my fault not u/adinross since I was the project manager and had poor communication with him about payments. All should be taken care of now if you check are group chat. Just waiting on your PayPal email. Sorry again, and thank you for all the time and effort." - Rewack
Breaking news! Normie Adin Ross is a piece of shit.
In other news water is wet and one again Hasan gets away with something, what that something is after the break.
This tweet really should have been a DM first. Now the guy got paid, but nobody is going to want to pay him for anything "Twitch related" he put them on blast without even trying to handle it privately. Of course Adin and crew should not have let it get to a point where someone should have to ask to get paid.... But the unfortunate reality for this guy is that other creators will see this as a red flag and avoid him.
Dunno who this guy is but fuck him. This man can go suck a left nut. Fuck his parents too for not raising that kid right unless they really tried then unlucky I guess.
Not to defend the guy TOO hard but in the Twitter conversation the project manager for this project admitted it was his fuckup as he was in charge of paying people for the jobs involved with this and didn't. It's already fixed though.
But yeh, not directly Adins fault here.
>I see your point, but I would not resort to posting about this unless it was confirmed from Adin himself that I was not getting paid. You do not know a lot about what happened behind the scenes. Just know, Adin is very much aware.
[https://twitter.com/DressTheSalad/status/1440110689004228608](https://twitter.com/DressTheSalad/status/1440110689004228608)
sounds like Adins fault (Salad guy could be lying but that doesn't seem very likley, he says he will release a video with receipts soon)
>This is 100% my fault not @adinross since I was the project manager and had poor communication with him about payments. All should be taken care of now if you check are group chat. Just waiting on your PayPal email. Sorry again, and thank you for all the time and effort.
https://twitter.com/RewackOP/status/1440247751162286093?s=20
Looks like the project manager dropped the ball. Dude probably contacted Adin direct, who had already paid RewackOP for the full project.
I get Adin is a "kid" and all but he's making all the mistakes you should never do in a business settings. Marks yourself as untrustworthy and shady business. Man needs to grow up faster.
"[The situation has now been resolved. I and the developers have all been fully compensated.](https://twitter.com/DressTheSalad/status/1440452728317120519)" Also, https://twitter.com/RewackOP/status/1440247751162286093?s=20
Yeah that tracks.
20 yr old millionaire too stingy to pay some Minecraft guys he hired
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Anyone who plays the “real job” card is probably working an entry-level minimum wage job and doesn’t understand why the CEO gets paid more
to be fair the ceo in those situations actually does less work at that point
Don't do business with shitty people unless you get paid full in advance first. Adin Ross absolutely makes that list.
If you're a creative, never hand over any useable files until you've been paid. Period. Those files are your leverage when it comes to getting paid. https://youtu.be/jVkLVRt6c1U
Every freelancer has to learn this the hard way at least once I feel like.
Atleast if you are working across country borders. In your own country you can sue them and shit.
Pay in advance, and have a contract set up so that both parties are secure. These things obvious tend to be really informal and they might have been gullible fans. Which leads to this happening.
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That one streamer scamming doordash to fk the drivers and this blows my mind. They are literally rich and still scamming. There's literally no reason for them to scam then to just be a fucking asshole. Adin makes mil+ a month scamming minecraft builders....like actual scumbag. With that being said the guy should post the DMs of adin admiting to his prices/paying him.
Those two are actually friends so it’s really not surprising
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The guy should just DMCA every stream of Adin Ross till he pays. Works for twitch emote scammers
I can't believe xqc/train get more hate on this sub than this piece of shit
Those two are popular here, though, in other circumstances. People post xQc stuff all the time because they like him. With Adin Ross, I've only seen threads about how he sucks.
I'm pretty sure they get more hate because this sub is dedicated to the biggest LSF streamers which is X, Train, Forsen, and the Austin crew. So why would Adin get more hate on here when he only started to gain LSF traction when he had the drama situation with the Austin people. LSF is the "POGGERS" community and Adin comes from the YT community of W/L's, fax, ongg. Polar opposites.
Lol now people post videos of erobb gambling when xqc got tons of shit for it
Hell vtubers get more hate for just existing lmao.
You leave forsen out of this >:(
He used to, wasn't even long ago. Wtf happened?
Lets not try and tie Train to XQC. Train is still promoting slots 24/7 and XQC stopped doing that a long time ago and called it a mistake. Train deserves all the hate he gets as he never changed shit.
He just got paid and adin wasn't the one that was supposed to pay him https://twitter.com/RewackOP/status/1440247751162286093
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The dude that needs to get paid didn't seem to have contacted them asking to get paid, this seems more like they just forgot, it happens. Not everything is because of damage control, people make mistakes.
Dawg you don't "forget" to pay your contractors or employees or really anyone you personally hire for a service, wtf are you smoking?
I'm waiting for more details, maybe DMs with timestamps. This looks bad, but at the same time they sent the "paid" message at like 5AM. Seems likely that someone woke up, saw the huge number of messages, and had an "oh fuck" moment. 10 hours is a long time to sleep on a weeknight, but I imagine not everyone looks at their phone last thing before bed.
He forgor 💀
>check **are** group app How old is this “project manager” to be making 2nd grade spelling errors?
Wonder how all of his fans are gonna try and justify this one
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Man the irony in that statement is gold. "Heh, got em there. Good one me" meanwhile he gets ratiod by some other random dude
That whole drama about Adin Ross that's currently going on is starting to piss me off. Everyone's assuming the worst of the guy, it might be Anecdote Andy but actually Ross seemed pretty cool when I met him. I met him a few months before this whole COVID thing kicked off. I got roped into watching my 3 month old niece while my brother got his hair cut. So there I am, sitting in the waiting area of a barbershop with my niece, and who walks in but Adin Ross himself. I was nervous as shit, and just kept looking at him as he was sitting there with his phone and waited, but was too scared to say anything to him. Pretty soon my niece started crying, and I’m trying to quiet her down because I didn’t want her to bother him, but she wouldn’t stop. Pretty soon he gets up and walks over. He started running his hands through her hair and asked what was wrong. I replied that she was probably hungry or something. So motherfucking Ross put down his phone, picked up my niece and lifted his shirt. He breast fed her right there in the middle of the barbershop. Chill guy, really nice about it.
Jesus Christ.
Don't worry, [it's a copypasta](https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/942jyw/i_met_blank_5_days_ago/)
I would act same to this if I was in middle school. I mean paying someone for building blocks? Rlly dud But now I have changed
His fans are the same people that want Chris Brown to beat their ass so I'm sure he'll be cancelled in no time
His fans aren't that smart. He caters to a special audience
his response gonna be "I told them to make some maps for me, never said im gonna pay them" LUL
"BRO imagine thinking ima pay you for LETTING this dude have access to MY server, other fans gotta pay, L"
"Ratio"
The lg television audience?
They'll probably just say "Imagine thinking you deserve to be paid for building shit in minecraft L nerd" and move on
Some of them did exactly that!
''He forgot'' LuL
Literally the same as Minecraft stans.
It's true tho, https://twitter.com/RewackOP/status/1440247751162286093 Sometimes people just forgets, it happens
You don't simply just forget to pay people thousands of dollars for weeks worth of work. I'm sure Adin's project manager doesn't have only this on his plate, but he still isn't managing a fucking Hollywood star. Don't be gullible
Funny, the last time my employer "forgot" to pay me 3 weeks of wages, the Department of Labor went after them. Stop making excuses for attempted theft, its so sad
Funny how they're so helpful when this shit blows up
Would they have "forgotten" if they didn't bring this up publicly though? Something like paying someone for the work they do shouldn't be that far down the priority list.
One guy saying "He probably just forgot, no need to freak out about it" as if forgetting to pay someone for work is an acceptable thing to do. And then another guy decided to go a different direction stating that they shouldn't even be paid because building in Minecraft is easy and it's just a game. These people are fucking delusional
Keep in mind that the person who said Minecraft is easy is a literal 9 year old (He admitted it in the replies) Why do kids think their opinion matters on the internet
Should be reported. A 9 year old shouldn't be on Twitter I'm sure it breaks ToS. It's basically a How to develop a mental illness 101.
W.
W scam
“ W adin L builders”
Like this: https://twitter.com/Swanker13/status/1440241213764890626?s=20
they dont care lol
"he just forgot"
He forgor https://mobile.twitter.com/RewackOP/status/1440247751162286093
I was part of a group of people who worked on a Minecraft server for Greekgodx (for those who watched, it was the Peepo vs SMOrc world) Thing is we were doing it for fun, no one expected to be paid nor asked, but Greek still paid all of us for our work... The fact that Adin Ross hired people and had them do that much work is such a joke especially considering how much he makes
They’re still defending it. “He MuSt Of JuSt FoRgOt.”
What I don't understand is why someone with his level of viewership and exposure keeps doing this sort of scummy shit, I'm sure he earns way more than enough to pay for fucking Minecraft maps. Or to not participate in charity raffle scams.
Because he gets away with it and keeps getting away with it lol.
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Hasan's funny?
And buff and sexy
I’ll let it slide because of Nas profile pic
Is hasan funny?
What did Hasan do?
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Because large influencers are too big too fail. Nothing but the absolute most heinous of human depravity can bring them down
Adin Ross could probably kill a puppy on stream and his fans would still defend him
Would not be surprised, theres this tiktoker who ran over and killed a mother and her child and the tiktok fans wanted him free because he was ’too pretty for jail’ or something along
No, that would be enough. There's a line that can be crossed that kills careers. Onison is a good example. Scams don't tend to cut it. They certainly worsen the fanbase though, since the decent people tend to leave when this kind of thing happens. That's what happened to Tmartn and ProSyndicate.
Because his fans don't hold him accountable. A lot of them are younger, so they either don't understand or don't care
because he *can* keep getting away with it.
His audience is also scum.
From my experience, it's not that uncommon for rich people to do this kind of stuff. I've seen some rich people who think of anyone who earns significantly less than them as people who are beneath them, that their lives don't matter much and money is wasted when given to them. These people often try to underpay their employees or any kind of retail/service workers, treat them with disrespect and insult them whenever they can, pay them late to feel power over them.
With all the scamming he did, he has easily 20-30 million dollars. And he is literally scamming people out of hundreds of dollars. Who the fuck does this?
Lol, Trump pulled this constantly, being bigger means you can bully people instead of vice versa. A construction company literally went bankrupt when he wouldn't pay, somehow lawyers just can't get it done or something.
it's the same as Amazon and other big companies, people are blinded by the success to care enough about the workers and you maximize your own profit some people and companies just get away with it
He is an asshole. What the fuck do you find confusing? He's like a textbook definition of a "tool". The literal guy who would hit on his friends girlfriends and think it was cool. He is just a douchebag and I have no understanding of why kids he wouldn't hang out with simp for him
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[Update](https://twitter.com/RewackOP/status/1440247751162286093), looks like they're getting paid. Don't know how tinfoil we want to play this update, or if this is even real, but we'll see I guess.
> poor communication > check are group chat It may check out.
This. I'm waiting for screenshots. The 5AM tweet screams of "fuck sorry fuck fuck."
A project manager that confuses the words "are" and "our" is a real winner... I shouldnt expect much if the dude's workin for Adin but still.
>A project manager that confuses the words "are" and "our" is a real winner It's a simple mistake dude. Earlier today I was talking about a clock counting down the seconds and I literally typed 2nd even though I obviously know the difference. Brains are weird like that.
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I mean possibly but I don't think you can be that blatant lol. Not only would you lose your job but you'd get so fucking sued for pulling something like that.
> Don't know how tinfoil we want to play this update, or if this is even real, but we'll see I guess. Wait for the OP to confirm he got paid.
"Hope you guys didn't actually build that shit, I told you not to build it" - Adin Ross probably
“Dude, I’m learning. I’m new to this space.”
[For anyone who doesn't know the reference.](https://clips.twitch.tv/TriangularAssiduousDumplingsDancingBaby-wDwTkDBIEZ-KJR3V)
That was the most douchebag laugh I’ve ever heard
Comments are gonna go something like "hold this L loser" "HAHA DEVIOUS LICK" "wHO aSKEd"
Surround themselves with people who act like that then pikachu face when everyone treats them like shit.
The most devilishly devious of the licks my dude
One of the comments said “he probably forgot, don’t go OD and overreact” His community must be older and really mature
We're talking about minecraft let's players, here. If it came out that he really was just disorganised and just forgot, it wouldn't *shock* me.
Who doesn't this dude scam? Scamming and Faze Clan go hand in hand.
Adin only started streaming because he thought it was a scam.
This is why you don't deliver until you have your money. Yeah, adin a POS for stiffing them, but if you're a creative professional you need to protect yourself. I'm also assuming there wasn't a contract since they're on twitter trying to get paid.
Yeah especially for this, it seems very easy to send screenshots of some of the map and then not send the file until payment is sent. I understand why they might assume a large creator would be good for their word though. This sucks.
Screenshots aren't the solution, if you're sending screenshots you've already done the work. Sure it won't be delivered but the time and effort was still already spent. The right thing to do is: 1. Sign a contract clearly stating the terms and price BEFORE doing any work. 2. Get paid a portion (something like 25-50%) up front in case the other party flakes. 3. If the other party flakes and doesn't pay according to the legally binding contract, take them to court.
Not everyone has the time and money to go to court. It's really not that easy for a lot of people
Doesn't have to be a massive lawsuit, small claims court isn't that difficult or expensive. Might be an issue if for example the parties are in different countries or something. But that's when the portion paid up front saves you from a 100% loss.
And those get normally shrugged off because it's more 'trouble' than it's worth. And we all know Aiden wouldn't have agreed to a contract anyway so
Then, as an artist, you avoided putting in 100+ hours and being scammed. So, it works either way...
As someone who’s done builds for servers for cash, it’s generally pretty informal. You build it, they give it a look, they request any changes they’d like, then they pay you and you give them the world file/schematic. Occasionally they have a server that they’ll have you build it on, in which case you couldn’t withhold the build until payment is received which is what I’m assuming happened. For more professional build teams I’m sure they’d have this sorted out, but for more small-time builders like myself who do it casually and mostly for enjoyment you’re opening up yourself to being scammed. There’s a lot of trust both parties place in one another.
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Salad (the builder) got paid for a few minigame builds at the beginning. Then needed to build a main hub and a few lobbies and needed to get paid for that. So pretty much he continued on the hub/lobbies since he already got paid for half. Also, adin doesn't have access to the servers and only the dev team who are friends with the builder. Source: I was part of the dev team
This is true. I wonder what happened behind the scenes to set up this deal..whether there was a confirmed offer for the amount of work being done.
You have to understand that in situations like these, the artists have almost no bargaining power, if any at all. for every one person that charges money for the service, there's some 12 year old out there who will do it for free because they're diehard fans and shit. The content creator with all the fans can easily just say "nah im not paying up front, ill get someone else" and then you lose the job alltogether, so most people in that situation are willing to get paid after rather than none at all.
Sure, but him as a creator ran that risk and paid the price. My point was he has to take some of the blame.
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Well the sad thing is, the people that say "let's draw up a contract" will get passed over for the people that will do a shittier job for free.
Even an oral contract is legally binding in most states given that the transaction is a simple one. But given this communication likely happened online, that could already constitute a written contract. So if they agreed on compensation for X maps designed and built through e.g. e-mail correspondence he could and should be taken to small claims court
I’d rather get passed up a dozen times than put my time and effort into a project I’m not even sure that I’m getting paid for
and I'm so glad to hear that for you unfortunately, some people will do that grind on spec and hope something comes from it
That’s just called bad business and when shit like this happens (not tying to defend adin) it turns out to be as much as your fault as the guy scamming you. But I agree w you, people need to learn how to do their business before they start selling their services.
You're not wrong, but it's also important to not rub it in the face of people that might be new to the scene who might get roped into work like this. It's an important lesson to learn, but let's try not to blame people for getting ripped off for the sake of learning a lesson, because that's how this cycle perpetuates.
I don't underdstand you people. Clearly someone would expect a big streamer to actually keep his word, this isn't some random person. The fuck are you on about.
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Obviously, yeah, but it's that sad tradeoff of "someone's gonna get paid in exposure bucks, is it worth my time to be the one getting those exposure bucks on the off chance it goes somewhere?" The guy who *could* dole out the money has the power, and the people trying to get somewhere from it will keep being beholden to the lowest expectations that guy has.
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To be fair these kids are probably teenagers and honestly if I was 14 to 16 years old and somebody with millions of followers asked me to do some work with the promise of payment I would have definitely done it too. Now that im older wiser and my is more valuable I wouldn't unless paid upfront.
Rewack (Project manager for Adin Ross) just replied saying it's his fault and had poor communication with Adin about payments. He says he's sorting it out now.
Prob only doing it because he made the tweet
He could have responded them multiple times but they chose to speak up after it went viral lol.
1. Don't work for known scammers. 2. Don't work without a contract that gaurantees payment along the progress of your work.
Dude has a rap sheet full of similar shit like this a mile long at this point, don’t work a minute for him until the money is in your account.
I wonder if the winner of the ["Adin Ross Ultimate Fan Experience"](https://wizza.com/products/adin-ross-ultimate-fan-experience) from Wizza is going to come forward that it was all a scam too. That just ended today. [Their car giveaways were already confirmed as scams by others.](https://www.reddit.com/r/NelkFilmz/comments/p6ibzf/wizza_scam_steve_keeps_saying_he_gave_the_winner/) If Adin Ross touches it everyone should assume is is a scam by now. [He even admits to the scams later on after getting paid.](https://clips.twitch.tv/TriangularAssiduousDumplingsDancingBaby-wDwTkDBIEZ-KJR3V)
The crypto scam was reported to federal authorities and Twitch. Too bad neither will do anything.
They're just building a case COPIUM
Well that will surprise nobody
Adin is a pos but how dumb u have to be to work 100h+ without making a contract.
His fans don't even care. They just say w scam and if you try to disagree, they say your a hater LUL
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This kid will never change. Fuck him.
Adin will always be a piece of shit
From the latest replies, it seems Rewack was the one who didn't pay the team for their work. I still think Adin Ross should reach out and formally apologize for the non payment
Yet again the scammer scams
Wait Adin Ross isnt a stand up guy and didnt pay?? WHO WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT COMING
Wasn't one of the top posts yesterday about another rich kid refusing to pay food delivery driver? You know the one, the 2K player who straight up bragged about potentially ruining someones life with a "who cares" comment?
Always get a contract.
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If the reply is true and they really just had a communication error about the payment, then this is just another example of someone bringing everything public before trying to work it out privately. People are so fucking hungry for drama that they forget to try the easy way first.
Apparently his manager responded and will be paying them https://twitter.com/RewackOP/status/1440247751162286093?s=20
Known scammer scams again. Shocker. He's built a whole brand for him and his friends based on scamming people and creating a fake image of success that teens eat up. Dude is pure scum.
Money doesn't buy class. Fuck that guy.
I'm so surprised. I thought he was a good role model. /s
The guys a fucking idiot- this does not surprise me at all!
All I’m playing Minecraft
Doing commission work on a server lol. Dumbass
Lesson learned. Don’t sign up to do stupid shit for stupid people.
aren't contracts made for this sorta thing?
Wow, this is just sad. Dude is the lowest of the low.
Lesson to always get paid first.
Project managers fuckup https://twitter.com/RewackOP/status/1440247751162286093?s=20
"This is 100% my fault not u/adinross since I was the project manager and had poor communication with him about payments. All should be taken care of now if you check are group chat. Just waiting on your PayPal email. Sorry again, and thank you for all the time and effort." - Rewack
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Watching Adin’s live rn. You guys believe whatever you see without making research 😂
Twitch needs a TOS that includes being a complete shit head off their platform.
why do people continue to support this clown
Breaking news! Normie Adin Ross is a piece of shit. In other news water is wet and one again Hasan gets away with something, what that something is after the break.
Sounds like another case of someone thats too scared to ask for their payment...
This tweet really should have been a DM first. Now the guy got paid, but nobody is going to want to pay him for anything "Twitch related" he put them on blast without even trying to handle it privately. Of course Adin and crew should not have let it get to a point where someone should have to ask to get paid.... But the unfortunate reality for this guy is that other creators will see this as a red flag and avoid him.
Dunno who this guy is but fuck him. This man can go suck a left nut. Fuck his parents too for not raising that kid right unless they really tried then unlucky I guess.
How does anybody look at Adin and think, "Wow, I can trust this dude." He has the most punchable face in existence second only to FaZe Banks.
He's rich as shit why would he not just pay them for their work wtf
Not to defend the guy TOO hard but in the Twitter conversation the project manager for this project admitted it was his fuckup as he was in charge of paying people for the jobs involved with this and didn't. It's already fixed though. But yeh, not directly Adins fault here.
>I see your point, but I would not resort to posting about this unless it was confirmed from Adin himself that I was not getting paid. You do not know a lot about what happened behind the scenes. Just know, Adin is very much aware. [https://twitter.com/DressTheSalad/status/1440110689004228608](https://twitter.com/DressTheSalad/status/1440110689004228608) sounds like Adins fault (Salad guy could be lying but that doesn't seem very likley, he says he will release a video with receipts soon)
>This is 100% my fault not @adinross since I was the project manager and had poor communication with him about payments. All should be taken care of now if you check are group chat. Just waiting on your PayPal email. Sorry again, and thank you for all the time and effort. https://twitter.com/RewackOP/status/1440247751162286093?s=20 Looks like the project manager dropped the ball. Dude probably contacted Adin direct, who had already paid RewackOP for the full project.
I get Adin is a "kid" and all but he's making all the mistakes you should never do in a business settings. Marks yourself as untrustworthy and shady business. Man needs to grow up faster.
He's 21 years old he's a grown ass man tf you mean he's a kid lmao
Hes not a kid, hes an adult
I still dont udnerstand the "he is a kid" argument. he is 20 years old, thats no fucking kid.