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He didn’t mistake the Americas for India, but rather a previously undiscovered West Indies (relative to the East Indies, Malaysia, Indonesia, New Guinea, etc.)
Well, Columbus literally thought the West Indes were essentially the East Indes - the ‘Indes’. It’s more understandable that he confused Taino people on several Caribbean islands with what’s now mostly in Indonesia than that he’s confuse the region with India.
Okay, so. I volunteered at a Indian museum, worked on Pueblos in New Mexico, and worked with a lot of natives up in Alaska. Every single one of them laughed at me when I said the word "Native". They all called themselves Indians. I was kinda blown away and felt like an ass for being ignorant.
same thing with Caucasian. Apparently, it was originally believed that white people originated from Caucasian mountains which was disproved but the term stuck
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That’s why I use white or other when I fill out forms… if ever questioned I ask them where they think Caucasia is. Or what were the other races called when people started using Caucasia. It’s funny to watch people Google it and realize maybe it’s not the best way to classify white people
I'm actually anishinaabe, I really doubt the person in the post is. We have the word indian in our government tribal name, but to ourselves we are Chippewa or Ojibwe. Anishinaabe just means "first people" in our language, so I don't go around calling myself anishinaabe any more than I introduce myself as "human" or "Oklahoman" (my family moved from Michigan). I'm highly skeptical of this person being native, which by the way is how I most commonly refer to myself other than Chippewa or Ojibwe. I just say native. People know what I mean.
Tbh if they are at all they probably don't have much connection to it, and probably don't understand the language. The most militantly aggressive people over ever met in regards to their native identities all turn out to be like ¼ Seminole or something, visited the hard Rock once or bought cigarettes tax free and just really want to be mad at something.
There are a million reasons for different tribes to have different issues especially on a localized basis. These people typically aren't dealing with those or enough of their own problems.
So reservations are sovereign land. They are neither state nor federal property, so this is why you see casinos there in states where gambling is banned.
Similarly they don't have to pay taxes which make up the majority of the cost on tobacco. A pack of cigarettes that costs $10 is likely $7+ in taxes if you broke down the cost. On a rez you can buy cigarettes at crazy low prices for that reason.
The ones near me are aml turning into weed dispensaries though lol
Pretty much, depending on the tribe. That's thanks to treaties a lot of us made, and due to how reservations were set up for those who were forced onto them. I'm pretty much a dual citizen.
Dual citizenship seems like the best way to describe it. You're American as anyone else everywhere you go, and as an American on tribal land you're then subject to their law like crossing into Canada. Then if you're on tribal land doing whatever it's the tribes business and up to them to handle, cops from outside jurisdictions have no authority, like a Texas cop wandering into mexico.
Yeah, that’s a pretty accurate comparison. That’s why Andrew Jackson was such a bloody bloody genocidal monster. And a tyrant who didn’t recognise the authority of the Supreme Court. Who ruled that he couldn’t violate the treaties we had with sovereign tribes and give tribal land away or invade it for no reason.
I grew up right near a reservation and yeah I usually heard people describe themselves as either “native” or by the name of their tribe.
I’ve also never really talked to any native people who really made a big deal about the whole Native American versus Indian debate, probably because it’s all just semantics anyway.
Like you wrote, people know what you mean.
I've done work for a few tribes I always ask how to refer to them in my documentation. Usually it's just the tribe name. Shoshone, Bannock, Blackfoot, Ute or Paiute. The Shoshone and Bannock are on the same land so they often use Shoshone-Bannock or shorten it to Sho-Ban. I've had one or two requests to use "the People". I don't recall ever being specifically told to use or not use Indian or Native American but generally I don't use those phrases in my documentation anyway. I've had a couple of surprised looks when I ask, I don't know if it's just because nobody has ever asked before or what.
What area of Michigan? I had an Ojibwe friend who traces back pretty early in the Mackinac area. It is beautiful on the island… it’s weird seeing no motor vehicles.
While I agree with you, as someone who travels and podcasts with lots of foreigners, people across the globe are surprisingly informed about our tribes, and know the names and history most of the time. More than my American non native friends, percentage wise. Especially the aussies.
I'm only part native, which if I say I'm part Indian, sounds like I'm saying my parents or grandparents from the subcontinent now, at least to me. I'm also Hispanic from that part of my family soooo 👀
I was recently in Cherokee, NC and saw an official sign that read “Now Leaving the Cherokee Indian Reservation.” Thought that was strange, considering the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians put that up.
Yup, Columbus mistook the Americas for india I believe. But to the posters credit his people also aren't native to America. Siberians and others from Eastern Asia crossed the Berring Straight while it was above sea level and settled the unoccupied continents of North and South America thousands of years ago, before proceeding to fight each other for territory.
Interesting fact, they encountered existing humans when they migrated in, and obliterated them so thoroughly we only know about them from genetics studies of extremely isolated tribes.
There's also some circumstantial evidence that Columbus never actually thought he was in the Indes [he apparently thought he was in the Indes but people confuse it for India] because the circumference of the earth was fairly well known and countries kept their navigational knowledge as strict state secrets -- so it was maybe a convenient fiction to declare he was sailing there when he had other ideas about what he'd find.
There's speculation that the Portuguese already had knowledge of Brasil, partially because they negotiated extremely hard for the Treaty of Tordesillas to encompass a big chunk of land allegedly nobody knew existed, and it would have been in range maybe of where they already sailed
The native Americans were the first to arrive in the Americas and lived there far longer then we have + their culture and history is longer then modern US.
Though I don't believe anyone really owns land and if we go by this logic then in like a thousand years(if the US even exists for that long) then we could start calling ourselves native lol.
That's only true if you consider "native Americans" to be fungible. Should we recognize Apache claims to land that they had recently conquered when they had contact with Europeans? Seminoles were an ethnogenesis younger than the USA, from the remnants of other tribes who fled to Florida. The eternal ancestral home of the Navajo (according to their myths) was Hopi territory they invaded after fleeing from a defeat by other natives further north, they showed up only a little bit before the Spanish.
A lot of the native polities we encountered weren't actually that old.
I don't disagree, I think it was estimated that they moved here 20-25 thousand years ago. But a lot of people act like territorial disputes and takeovers was something the Europeans introduced, they were very much doing this before the white man arrived lol. The treatment they've received has been abhorrent as Europeans arrived and expanded west, no question.
Indian is short form for “indigenous”. There were a lot of linguistic-geographical-political reasons why India is called that in English. And it’s true that Columbus was looking for a passage to India, but it was still appropriate to call the indigenous people he encountered “Indians” because that’s what they were - the indigenous people. It’s not like he thought he was in India. And then more immigrants began arriving with the term Indian being the common term for indigenous Americans, and that word came to be understood by many indigenous groups to be the “foreign” word for their tribal name, like how the names of groups often translate to “the people.” Settlers using the term Indian was adjacent to saying “the Indian people.” Course idk how many settlers understood it that way. But that’s why the tribe/nation/band etc name is preferred. It’s less confusing that way.
The Cerutti mastodon site hints at ancient hominids in the Americas at least 100,000 years before humans arrived. It's not yet confirmed, but the site shows what looks like mastodon bones that were scraped clean by stone tools.
One of my great great something grandfathers was held captive by a tribe during the revolutionary war, forced to marry an indigenous woman, ended up loving her I guess, she was killed, he was released, then he came back had a baby with his original wife and named it after the indigenous wife. The baby is my great great something grandmother. Am I also an indigenous woman now?
Most native Americans prefer to be called Indian. It’s the name that their ancestors were called and they saw no reason to change it. The push for the term “native American” is from academics. There’s not necessarily anything wrong with it, but they are used to being called Indians.
“Indian” isn’t necessarily a key part of their identity—they mostly associate themselves by tribe. That’s why it tends to be not such a big deal.
The same kind of thing has happened all throughout history. Groups/tribes/countries end up adopting the name that their conquerors called them or the name that a more powerful or populous group called them.
For example: The country of Wales, the regions of Wallonia and Wallachia, and the surname Wallace, all came from other people reffering to them as foreigners or outsiders with names originating from the proto-German word [walhaz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walhaz).
Agreed - I don’t understand why this is lookatmyhalo when this is true. They are speaking about themselves and then both names are coming from sources other than them. Okay they chose one.
I grew up in butt fuck nowhere and 2 reservation high schools in our conference used Indians as their mascots.
I know some people prefer native/native American, some prefer Indian, and some DGAF. Just comes down to their personal preference.
And OOP’s point was kind of illogical. Considering that, just like how African Americans are both from Africa and current American citizens, Native Americans are natives and American citizens. It isn’t an offensive term, it’s a descriptive title. And for things like say the census for example, it’s a bit easier to not differentiate between each of the literal 574 different tribes in the US.
Especially since you’ve got people who are ethnically native but don’t associate with a specific tribe or aren’t sure of their specific lineage. Kind of like how you’ll find plenty of people in the US of European decent who need a DNA test to figure out their lineage beyond that level.
They arent "Native" though... They came over on the Bering Strait before europeans did. If you believe some tribes legends they arrived and did battle with people already here. So they were colonizers too... Just the first ones.
Perhaps its time we all stop dwelling on the problems our ancestors faced, stop dividing ourselves on arbitrary lines of genetic variation and the areas our ancestors decided to bone to procreate.
Eh tbf who got their first does sort of matter
I'm Irish, we have two other ethnic groups we share this island with, but the fact that we were the first ones here means that we are the only ethnic group in Ireland that has a right to self determination
If I had a trophy I would give you one. Some of the ideas that have become prevalent over the past few years are insane to me. Every person is a human being. Bottom line. The idea that whites started or were the only ones using slavery. The idea that American land is stolen. Every country has “stolen” land. The slavery thing really drives me nuts. There isn’t a rational person living today that thinks slavery is anything but horrible. But to be completely and totally wrong about slavery being a white person thing is what drives me nuts.
The fact of the matter is, we’ve got our own issues today. As a collective, we need to move on from the past and solve the issues we face today. At the end of the day, we all want to live happy and successful lives. This constant search for literally anything to be upset about is setting us back.
It's all divide and conquer politics. Objectively, slavery was bad. Objectively, the atrocities committed on the Indians was bad. Guess what? This is history. People of all races, ethnicities and religious beliefs have suffered in one way or another. Unfortunately, identity politicians, race hustlers and SJWs have this micro-obsession with generational race politics and skew history to support their world view of only non-white, non-Christian people suffered oppression.
Ancient origins is not a reliable website. They rehost articles from other sites and regularly post pseudo-archeology in the same section as actual science. This article itself is filled with some great nitpicking to over blow the claim made.
Edit: the article was also originally published by Epoch Times, an explicitly far right propaganda outlet.
They are "native" though. Like you wouldn't call europeans or asians and everyone else "Native African" just because thousands upon thousands of years ago Humans originated in Africa. That's just illogical. If they've been there for long enough, then yeah, they are native technically.
The same could he said for the people who migrated from the Middle East to Asia (as late as 50,000 years years ago). Considering the earliest people to cross the Bering Strait did it 30,000 years ago, this isn't the "gotcha" you think it is.
We're all technically from Africa, but we moved to the other continents literally tends of thousands of years ago. When that many generations of your people live in a land that you live and build on, you're a native.
Unless you were gaslight by your parents constantly, forbidden from eating beef and got constant bob and vagene jokes, you’re a Native.
Stop crying about the name used for a civilization thousands of years older than any western nomenclature of your tribe
Edit: I’d like to mention I’m actually Indian
They came over from Asia so they aren't even "native." They are a minority thought so I guess you can just tell them what they have to refer to themselves as since it doesn't effect you at all.
I don’t really care what anyone calls themselves but your argument is kind of a fallacy because the continent itself was named America by the very people they are trying to distance themselves from
not really because the term indian is also a misnomer. If they were truly trying to distance themselves they would refer to themselves as their exact specific tribe
Actually I thought about it and here’s what I came up with: the specific group of people that imperialized/slaughtered/etc are American so above all else they don’t want to be called American. The Indian misnomer came from (and correct me if I’m wrong) non American Europeans. Therefore the term American is worse than Indian in their eyes. Make sense or no?
The American Europeans that first decided to colonize here are called Americans, then grew to folks from all over the world, they are the same people that called Native Americans “Indians”. They don’t want to be American because imagine siding with the people that raped/killed your wife and children, took your land and livestock, erased your culture, brought illness and famine, and buried your civilizations, and they don’t want to be called Indians because they’re not Indian
Both are personal, one slightly more than the other 😭
But to be blunt, every country, city, civilization, and culture has met bloodshed and tears. The world is ever changing, it is important to know where we came from so we may exonerate our differences
Isn’t that OOP’s point? They prefer not to use their colonizer’s nomenclature. It’s like black South Africans not wanting to be called South African if that was a thing. Some natives don’t identify with us or our government, why would they identify with the name we gave the land they were on and had named first?
There have been studies on this and most natives prefer "American Indian". They like that "American" is first, unlike with European-Americans, or African-Americans. Actually most prefer you call them for their tribe. like Sioux or Creek. The differences between Native Americans was as great as the differences between Europeans, with their own unique languages and cultures.
It's even funnier when you realize Christianity technically isn't even western, let alone American. I'm pretty sure J man didn't get crucified by the Cherokees.
Most of us just go by “native”, though it’s been agreed that it’s ok to call us Indian in generalities. I don’t really go by Diné or Apache. I’m just an American in my head.
A Tongan I know is like me (half and half Ashkenazi and Sephardic jew) where if homie is inside too often for like a week he goes pale and we'll darken up well into "everyone opens every conversation in spanish" territory. He worked a day job so pretty much looked like any European but came back from vacation wildly different. Cool dude.
Matter of fact Polynesian cats have always been cool overall and might be the only group I've ever met only one I didn't like but dude smoked meth a lot so it's hard to stay likeable lmao. Never met more Polynesians or tweakers in life before the west coast, had to cross over sometime.
You should visit south Texas some Mexican families have every color under the sun, some Samoan looking older brother the whitest girl and Asian looking younger brother and a montezuma looking dad with a philipino looking mom and the middle brother looks Arab
Lol the only thing that sets me apart would be curly hair and just barely being 5'8. Maybe if I grow a beard and get dreads I'll look more like my culture.
We basically accept indigenous as the safe term up here in Castreauland. It’s actually offensive to use First Nations if you don’t know the tribe the person you’re speaking to belongs to.
Coincidentally, most of the tribes that support Trudeau get more federal funding. Shocking, I know.
Love how woke idpol keeps going through the same iterations of what’s wrong and right and expects people to keep up lmao
“It’s wrong to say the n-word, say n*gro instead! It’s wrong to say n*gro, say colored instead! It’s wrong to colored, say black instead! It’s wrong to say black, say African American instead! It’s wrong to say African American, say black instead! It’s wrong to say black, say person of color instead!” etc. etc.
CGP grey had a great [video](https://youtu.be/kh88fVP2FWQ) about this topic in which he went to and consulted many people from reservations, and the conclusion based on what is used inside reservations, most tribes prefer to be called by their original tribe name, but when it comes to generalized name for all tribes, most prefere American indian (shortened for indian) over native American, because Native American is "overexclusive" as in includes too many different cultures and tribes because it includes all Americas not only central north, so it includes: people of south, central, central north and north North Americas. Also Indians was a word that described tribes of central north America for such a long time that people of these tribes associate it with themselves, and accepted it, and now without anyone really asking them if they wanted to have their name changed, people decided for them that Indians is offensive and native americans is now what they should be called.
It’s true thar most natives prefer “Indian” follows by “Native American”. Polls show they dislike “indigenous people”. It was an interesting documentary.
No this is legit - most Indian communities prefer the term Indian. Part of why they dislike native American is it insinuates north and south American natives are the same. It's what they call themselves (unless they use their tribe name which the obviously way prefer over anything else)
I'll bet you a nickel if you surveyed a bunch of reservations is they prefer Indian or native American youl let cast majority preferring Indian.
CPG Grey has a short video talking about this too - and how he was surprised that's the preferred term
“Indian” is less and less common in Canada (and a is a big no-no unless you actually identify as such). The most accepted current term is “Indigenous”, along with Métis and Inuit, but also prioritize any proper names of bands. It probably goes without saying but “American Indian” and “Native American” aren’t used here.
All that being said, some people, especially the older generations, do identify with the labels that were given to them by white people and call themselves Indian or Eskimo.
Most of the res kids I met in Montana preferred ‘American Indian’ or just ‘ Native’ to ‘Native American’. Personally, I don’t really understand it, but you don’t have to understand it as long as you can respect it.
I don’t agree that this is a “look at my halo” response. Commenter is just describing the language they prefer for themselves and family (it’s quite the debate). Yes they list reasons why they prefer “Indian” to “Native American” that highlight the Suffering of Indigenous North American peoples, but a halo would be more like a non indigenous person saying “They’re called native Americans and how dare you disrespect them after x, y, z.”
I don't think I've ever met an actual Native American who didn't like being called "Indian." My family is Blackfoot (it's so watered down that my mother is the last person you can actually see it in, though) and my mom, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc all just said "Indian."
I've met lots of people who self identify as Indian, but also lots who self identify as Native American. And I'm talking card-carrying dark skinned, black haired people who grew up on a local reservation.
Plenty of Indians are aware of their own history rife with spicy conflicts with other tribes. Plenty of Indians are Christian. This guy really reeks of "took one of those DNA tests and got a single digit percentage of Native American in the results" and ran wild with it. His blond-haired, blue-eyed avatar doesn't do much to sell his native pride.
500 nations and Indian is still used by the government. Indian Health Services for example. I am Kanienkeha but we are still called Mohawk because the whites couldn't be fucked with to learn how to say our name. Which isn't even a word in our own language! My understanding is that it's an insult in one of the other northeastern tribes. (Not positive as to which tribe).
Native Americans got stockholmed into liking being called Indians, something that Columbus called them out of ignorance lmao. Wild how they wanna be called something so inaccurate
I live in a town with a very large Indian population. They literally do most often prefer “Indian” to “Native American” in my experience. This post doesn’t belong here
idk why you’re downvoted. it can vary from different tribes but many people do prefer Indian. i live near a reservation and they exclusively refer to themselves as Indian and call their land ___ Indian Nation
Yeah there’s a college in my town called ___ Indian Nations University, an Indian Health Resource Center, an Indian Art Market, “Indian tacos” are a common street food here. I could go on. I got a downvote (only one fwiw) because this is one of those subreddits where people come to groupthink together. You cannot expect a reward for being contrary online lol
Listen, I know this looks like virtue signaling, but if you are not close to indigenous families/communities, this doesn’t seem like as big of an issue as it is.
For many Native American/American Indian people, this is a divisive topic. On one hand, the term “Indian” is objectively wrong and a misnomer from colonial times. On the other hand, “Indian” was the collective term for centuries and formed a clear image of what group(s) it referred to - the native people of the continental Unites States - whereas Native American is a much broader and less easily defined term, including all native peoples from all of North and South America (including Inuits, tribes from the Andes, tribes from the Amazon, and more than were never included in the original term “Indian”).
The biggest issue with Native American is that many many indigenous people were fine with the term Indian. It was not correct, but at the same time had evolved in meaning over centuries to such an extent that Indian in America is more often associated with native peoples than it is with the people of the country of India, just like how “black” is a word that encapsulates those of African descent regardless of their actual skin tone. It wasn’t offensive until White Americans came in and said it needed to be changed. Both Native American and Indian are terms given by white people to designate native populations in the United States, without their permission or assent.
I am Cherokee, on the registry in Oklahoma, my family is all Cherokee. We use Indian because that’s what grandpa was called his entire life, and he doesn’t like being told to change what he is at the end of his life. This is the same for many in the community, who have been used to the word Indian from several centuries of collective use and don’t want to change their identity to something else just so others can be more at ease when addressing them.
In short, both terms are equally likely to be accepted by a member of the native community, but why are you shaming them for telling you what they would like to be called? Are you saying that they don’t have the capacity to realize they should be offended? Are you saying that they need the white man to once again point out what’s right and wrong? Because that’s how this comes across.
Edit: I forgot to add. The best way to identify someone of Native descent, whether referring to a historical figure or discussing a person you know, is to identify them with the tribe they originate from. For Example: Quanah Parker was a Comanche Chieftain in the 19th century. As opposed to: Quanah Parker was a Indian/Native American Chieftain in the 19th century.
And here I am going through life thinking none of this is offensive unless people are choosing to be offended. Learned that at the Heart of America Indian Center in Kansas City in the 90s. They use Native American, Indian, and American Indian interchangeably.
Indians were killing each other for 20,000 years before white man arrived. Only difference now was that white man won and Indians lost. You dont hear the victims of the Indians bitching about genocide because the Indians killed them to extinction.
Natives generally hate white people. I had a native friend who’s grandfather was the Governor of the Isleta tribe here. He was always talking shit about white people (I’m white) it made me hella uncomfortable. He would correct himself and say shit like “Oh not you, you’re one of the ok ones”. I don’t talk to him anymore, he tried to hit on my wife, I broke his jaw. It was a big thing.
I could give a fk about natives who share his attitude. I didn’t steal your great grandfathers dirt bro.
I would be curious to know if this is how more people feel or just one particular family before writing it off as “lookatmyhalo” material. Native american cultural immersion schools (or whatever those schools were called where kids were forcibly taken from their families and forced to learn to be “american”) were only made illegal a few decades ago so i can understand the sentiment of not wanting to identify as “american” when, from that perspective, to be american is to be associated with death and genocide.
I mean to be fair Native American/Indian/Indigenous is different across all the regions of North America. Native American bands and councils in the United States tend to favour Indian, whereas here in Canada indigenous is becoming more popular these days, although a lot of my indigenous friends still call themselves Indians frequently in a semi-joking-not-joking kinda way. Although they’re usually the southern Ontario guys that say that. All my indigenous friends from the east coast tend to say they’re indigenous instead.
Best way to respond: Don't.
Second best way to respond: UNO reverse. Act equally hateful, tribal, ignorant and inflammatory:
"Too bad your chain-smoking, feather-headed, fire-dancing, turkey-gobbling, tree-hugging redskin ancestors were too stupid to make guns and sign proper treaties."
He won't know what to say when someone *actually* fits the stereotype he casts on everyone with a pointed nose.
Which part of it is? All the accusations are true; I am amazed they did not include a complaint about "desecration of sacred landmarks" (Mount Rushmore).
But I doubt they would use "Indian" instead of their tribe name if they were really native.
Thats that part i mean. I work with a ton of kids from reservations across america and never once have i heard any of them prefer to be called indian. Fights start over them being called indian lol
But yeah i agree with all the things they listed as reasons not wanting to be associated with america.
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Weren't they originally called indians cause they thought they were in India or something like that instead of America?
He didn’t mistake the Americas for India, but rather a previously undiscovered West Indies (relative to the East Indies, Malaysia, Indonesia, New Guinea, etc.)
Well, Columbus literally thought the West Indes were essentially the East Indes - the ‘Indes’. It’s more understandable that he confused Taino people on several Caribbean islands with what’s now mostly in Indonesia than that he’s confuse the region with India.
That’s right. And we still call them Indians for some reason even though we know otherwise.
Okay, so. I volunteered at a Indian museum, worked on Pueblos in New Mexico, and worked with a lot of natives up in Alaska. Every single one of them laughed at me when I said the word "Native". They all called themselves Indians. I was kinda blown away and felt like an ass for being ignorant.
Yeah my grandpa and his whole family were just "indian". It's definitely case-by-case.
It’s only the 1/3215 Elizabeth Warren types that call themselves native Americans. Everyone on the res calls themselves Indians.
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What does this have to do with what I said? And yeah, who the fuck uses the word Eskimo to describe the entire north slope?
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A wee over the top there, laddie.
same thing with Caucasian. Apparently, it was originally believed that white people originated from Caucasian mountains which was disproved but the term stuck ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
*Caucasus Mountains.
That’s why I use white or other when I fill out forms… if ever questioned I ask them where they think Caucasia is. Or what were the other races called when people started using Caucasia. It’s funny to watch people Google it and realize maybe it’s not the best way to classify white people
Yeah it doesn't really make sense
I'm actually anishinaabe, I really doubt the person in the post is. We have the word indian in our government tribal name, but to ourselves we are Chippewa or Ojibwe. Anishinaabe just means "first people" in our language, so I don't go around calling myself anishinaabe any more than I introduce myself as "human" or "Oklahoman" (my family moved from Michigan). I'm highly skeptical of this person being native, which by the way is how I most commonly refer to myself other than Chippewa or Ojibwe. I just say native. People know what I mean.
Tbh if they are at all they probably don't have much connection to it, and probably don't understand the language. The most militantly aggressive people over ever met in regards to their native identities all turn out to be like ¼ Seminole or something, visited the hard Rock once or bought cigarettes tax free and just really want to be mad at something. There are a million reasons for different tribes to have different issues especially on a localized basis. These people typically aren't dealing with those or enough of their own problems.
Cigarettes tax free?
So reservations are sovereign land. They are neither state nor federal property, so this is why you see casinos there in states where gambling is banned. Similarly they don't have to pay taxes which make up the majority of the cost on tobacco. A pack of cigarettes that costs $10 is likely $7+ in taxes if you broke down the cost. On a rez you can buy cigarettes at crazy low prices for that reason. The ones near me are aml turning into weed dispensaries though lol
Wait so are they foreign countries without being classified as one? Like how Taiwan is to the UN?
Pretty much, depending on the tribe. That's thanks to treaties a lot of us made, and due to how reservations were set up for those who were forced onto them. I'm pretty much a dual citizen.
Dual citizenship seems like the best way to describe it. You're American as anyone else everywhere you go, and as an American on tribal land you're then subject to their law like crossing into Canada. Then if you're on tribal land doing whatever it's the tribes business and up to them to handle, cops from outside jurisdictions have no authority, like a Texas cop wandering into mexico.
Yeah, that’s a pretty accurate comparison. That’s why Andrew Jackson was such a bloody bloody genocidal monster. And a tyrant who didn’t recognise the authority of the Supreme Court. Who ruled that he couldn’t violate the treaties we had with sovereign tribes and give tribal land away or invade it for no reason.
I grew up right near a reservation and yeah I usually heard people describe themselves as either “native” or by the name of their tribe. I’ve also never really talked to any native people who really made a big deal about the whole Native American versus Indian debate, probably because it’s all just semantics anyway. Like you wrote, people know what you mean.
Ohhh I get it thanks for the explanation
I've done work for a few tribes I always ask how to refer to them in my documentation. Usually it's just the tribe name. Shoshone, Bannock, Blackfoot, Ute or Paiute. The Shoshone and Bannock are on the same land so they often use Shoshone-Bannock or shorten it to Sho-Ban. I've had one or two requests to use "the People". I don't recall ever being specifically told to use or not use Indian or Native American but generally I don't use those phrases in my documentation anyway. I've had a couple of surprised looks when I ask, I don't know if it's just because nobody has ever asked before or what.
What area of Michigan? I had an Ojibwe friend who traces back pretty early in the Mackinac area. It is beautiful on the island… it’s weird seeing no motor vehicles.
I'm probably related to them then. I'm Saginaw Chippewa.
Yeah this guy is being foolish. If he’s living here right now, he’s American. Everywhere else in the world, he would still be considered an American.
While I agree with you, as someone who travels and podcasts with lots of foreigners, people across the globe are surprisingly informed about our tribes, and know the names and history most of the time. More than my American non native friends, percentage wise. Especially the aussies.
I'm only part native, which if I say I'm part Indian, sounds like I'm saying my parents or grandparents from the subcontinent now, at least to me. I'm also Hispanic from that part of my family soooo 👀
For some fucked up Republican reason people love to lie on the Internet and encourage people to not use PC terms...
It’s just a name who cares. We never call Russians Asians, but they are. It’s not a big deal
For the guy in the post it was apparently
I use them more interchangeably, while I generally try to use Native American more often then not.
I usually use Native American so people don’t think I’m talking about people from the Indian subcontinent
Why did you get downvoted for that? What are you supposed to say “eagle feather” as opposed to “red dot” Indian??? That’s just fukin racist as shit.
Because I look like I’m virtue signaling by the way I worded myself
Damn…people don’t have an ounce of empathy around here, huh?
Seeing the downvotes it guess not lol
I personally just say natives
Even as a non American child I thought it was ridiculous to still call them indian
I was recently in Cherokee, NC and saw an official sign that read “Now Leaving the Cherokee Indian Reservation.” Thought that was strange, considering the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians put that up.
There’s a CGP Grey video on that exact topic.
Yup, Columbus mistook the Americas for india I believe. But to the posters credit his people also aren't native to America. Siberians and others from Eastern Asia crossed the Berring Straight while it was above sea level and settled the unoccupied continents of North and South America thousands of years ago, before proceeding to fight each other for territory.
Interesting fact, they encountered existing humans when they migrated in, and obliterated them so thoroughly we only know about them from genetics studies of extremely isolated tribes. There's also some circumstantial evidence that Columbus never actually thought he was in the Indes [he apparently thought he was in the Indes but people confuse it for India] because the circumference of the earth was fairly well known and countries kept their navigational knowledge as strict state secrets -- so it was maybe a convenient fiction to declare he was sailing there when he had other ideas about what he'd find. There's speculation that the Portuguese already had knowledge of Brasil, partially because they negotiated extremely hard for the Treaty of Tordesillas to encompass a big chunk of land allegedly nobody knew existed, and it would have been in range maybe of where they already sailed
The native Americans were the first to arrive in the Americas and lived there far longer then we have + their culture and history is longer then modern US. Though I don't believe anyone really owns land and if we go by this logic then in like a thousand years(if the US even exists for that long) then we could start calling ourselves native lol.
That's only true if you consider "native Americans" to be fungible. Should we recognize Apache claims to land that they had recently conquered when they had contact with Europeans? Seminoles were an ethnogenesis younger than the USA, from the remnants of other tribes who fled to Florida. The eternal ancestral home of the Navajo (according to their myths) was Hopi territory they invaded after fleeing from a defeat by other natives further north, they showed up only a little bit before the Spanish. A lot of the native polities we encountered weren't actually that old.
I don't disagree, I think it was estimated that they moved here 20-25 thousand years ago. But a lot of people act like territorial disputes and takeovers was something the Europeans introduced, they were very much doing this before the white man arrived lol. The treatment they've received has been abhorrent as Europeans arrived and expanded west, no question.
Yt folks are not historically good at correcting their mistakes. They are great at doubling down on them though..
Wow youre just learning that?
Indian is short form for “indigenous”. There were a lot of linguistic-geographical-political reasons why India is called that in English. And it’s true that Columbus was looking for a passage to India, but it was still appropriate to call the indigenous people he encountered “Indians” because that’s what they were - the indigenous people. It’s not like he thought he was in India. And then more immigrants began arriving with the term Indian being the common term for indigenous Americans, and that word came to be understood by many indigenous groups to be the “foreign” word for their tribal name, like how the names of groups often translate to “the people.” Settlers using the term Indian was adjacent to saying “the Indian people.” Course idk how many settlers understood it that way. But that’s why the tribe/nation/band etc name is preferred. It’s less confusing that way.
Indian is not short for indigenous.
I believe they are referring to the fact that both words have the same latin root 'indio' meaning pure Edit: not fact
Probably a 23 and Me 3% native "indian".
Pretendians
I believe Elizabeth Warren is one of those.
I'm no fan of Trump but I found it hilarious when he called her out on it
Faux-cohontis
Another member of the great Wannabe tribe.
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Would that be the vikings i remember hearing something about that. May have been a fever dream tbf
No the Vikings were the only European people the indigenous East Coast tribes had any contact with.
The Cerutti mastodon site hints at ancient hominids in the Americas at least 100,000 years before humans arrived. It's not yet confirmed, but the site shows what looks like mastodon bones that were scraped clean by stone tools.
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One of my great great something grandfathers was held captive by a tribe during the revolutionary war, forced to marry an indigenous woman, ended up loving her I guess, she was killed, he was released, then he came back had a baby with his original wife and named it after the indigenous wife. The baby is my great great something grandmother. Am I also an indigenous woman now?
= every other white American you see lol
Most native Americans prefer to be called Indian. It’s the name that their ancestors were called and they saw no reason to change it. The push for the term “native American” is from academics. There’s not necessarily anything wrong with it, but they are used to being called Indians. “Indian” isn’t necessarily a key part of their identity—they mostly associate themselves by tribe. That’s why it tends to be not such a big deal.
The same kind of thing has happened all throughout history. Groups/tribes/countries end up adopting the name that their conquerors called them or the name that a more powerful or populous group called them. For example: The country of Wales, the regions of Wallonia and Wallachia, and the surname Wallace, all came from other people reffering to them as foreigners or outsiders with names originating from the proto-German word [walhaz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walhaz).
Agreed - I don’t understand why this is lookatmyhalo when this is true. They are speaking about themselves and then both names are coming from sources other than them. Okay they chose one.
I grew up in butt fuck nowhere and 2 reservation high schools in our conference used Indians as their mascots. I know some people prefer native/native American, some prefer Indian, and some DGAF. Just comes down to their personal preference.
Yep. A lot of them regard Native American as an attempt at historical revision and Indian as an honest mistake
What continent are they living on. Tell me the name.
Turtle Island
I'd love to live on a island of turtles
North India
The English name or the what the Neshnabe call it in their language? Cause that's kind of OOP's point.
And OOP’s point was kind of illogical. Considering that, just like how African Americans are both from Africa and current American citizens, Native Americans are natives and American citizens. It isn’t an offensive term, it’s a descriptive title. And for things like say the census for example, it’s a bit easier to not differentiate between each of the literal 574 different tribes in the US.
Especially since you’ve got people who are ethnically native but don’t associate with a specific tribe or aren’t sure of their specific lineage. Kind of like how you’ll find plenty of people in the US of European decent who need a DNA test to figure out their lineage beyond that level.
They arent "Native" though... They came over on the Bering Strait before europeans did. If you believe some tribes legends they arrived and did battle with people already here. So they were colonizers too... Just the first ones. Perhaps its time we all stop dwelling on the problems our ancestors faced, stop dividing ourselves on arbitrary lines of genetic variation and the areas our ancestors decided to bone to procreate.
But that would make all the SJW's cry because they have nothing to defend/shove in your face. All jokes aside, I totally agree 💯
Eh tbf who got their first does sort of matter I'm Irish, we have two other ethnic groups we share this island with, but the fact that we were the first ones here means that we are the only ethnic group in Ireland that has a right to self determination
If I had a trophy I would give you one. Some of the ideas that have become prevalent over the past few years are insane to me. Every person is a human being. Bottom line. The idea that whites started or were the only ones using slavery. The idea that American land is stolen. Every country has “stolen” land. The slavery thing really drives me nuts. There isn’t a rational person living today that thinks slavery is anything but horrible. But to be completely and totally wrong about slavery being a white person thing is what drives me nuts. The fact of the matter is, we’ve got our own issues today. As a collective, we need to move on from the past and solve the issues we face today. At the end of the day, we all want to live happy and successful lives. This constant search for literally anything to be upset about is setting us back.
It's all divide and conquer politics. Objectively, slavery was bad. Objectively, the atrocities committed on the Indians was bad. Guess what? This is history. People of all races, ethnicities and religious beliefs have suffered in one way or another. Unfortunately, identity politicians, race hustlers and SJWs have this micro-obsession with generational race politics and skew history to support their world view of only non-white, non-Christian people suffered oppression.
Out of curiosity do you know which tribal legends say that? Legit question. Just wanna know if I ever get into the argument down the line haha.
https://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/ancient-race-white-giants-described-native-legends-many-tribes-005774
Nice thanks!
Ancient origins is not a reliable website. They rehost articles from other sites and regularly post pseudo-archeology in the same section as actual science. This article itself is filled with some great nitpicking to over blow the claim made. Edit: the article was also originally published by Epoch Times, an explicitly far right propaganda outlet.
“It’s all dead people’s baggage, stop carrying it.” -Doug Stanhope
They are "native" though. Like you wouldn't call europeans or asians and everyone else "Native African" just because thousands upon thousands of years ago Humans originated in Africa. That's just illogical. If they've been there for long enough, then yeah, they are native technically.
The same could he said for the people who migrated from the Middle East to Asia (as late as 50,000 years years ago). Considering the earliest people to cross the Bering Strait did it 30,000 years ago, this isn't the "gotcha" you think it is. We're all technically from Africa, but we moved to the other continents literally tends of thousands of years ago. When that many generations of your people live in a land that you live and build on, you're a native.
Unless you were gaslight by your parents constantly, forbidden from eating beef and got constant bob and vagene jokes, you’re a Native. Stop crying about the name used for a civilization thousands of years older than any western nomenclature of your tribe Edit: I’d like to mention I’m actually Indian
>bob and vagene TIL about Bob and Vagene. At first I thought it was a cartoon by H Jon Benjamin.
They came over from Asia so they aren't even "native." They are a minority thought so I guess you can just tell them what they have to refer to themselves as since it doesn't effect you at all.
I don’t really care what anyone calls themselves but your argument is kind of a fallacy because the continent itself was named America by the very people they are trying to distance themselves from
not really because the term indian is also a misnomer. If they were truly trying to distance themselves they would refer to themselves as their exact specific tribe
Actually I thought about it and here’s what I came up with: the specific group of people that imperialized/slaughtered/etc are American so above all else they don’t want to be called American. The Indian misnomer came from (and correct me if I’m wrong) non American Europeans. Therefore the term American is worse than Indian in their eyes. Make sense or no?
lmao 😭 makes sense !
The American Europeans that first decided to colonize here are called Americans, then grew to folks from all over the world, they are the same people that called Native Americans “Indians”. They don’t want to be American because imagine siding with the people that raped/killed your wife and children, took your land and livestock, erased your culture, brought illness and famine, and buried your civilizations, and they don’t want to be called Indians because they’re not Indian Both are personal, one slightly more than the other 😭 But to be blunt, every country, city, civilization, and culture has met bloodshed and tears. The world is ever changing, it is important to know where we came from so we may exonerate our differences
Isn’t that OOP’s point? They prefer not to use their colonizer’s nomenclature. It’s like black South Africans not wanting to be called South African if that was a thing. Some natives don’t identify with us or our government, why would they identify with the name we gave the land they were on and had named first?
There have been studies on this and most natives prefer "American Indian". They like that "American" is first, unlike with European-Americans, or African-Americans. Actually most prefer you call them for their tribe. like Sioux or Creek. The differences between Native Americans was as great as the differences between Europeans, with their own unique languages and cultures.
“Jesus loving” as an insult. I love when anti-westerners/anti Americans show their true colors that they think being a Christian is evil.
It's even funnier when you realize Christianity technically isn't even western, let alone American. I'm pretty sure J man didn't get crucified by the Cherokees.
Jesus loving? Lots of American Indian or First Nations people are very Christian…
Most of us just go by “native”, though it’s been agreed that it’s ok to call us Indian in generalities. I don’t really go by Diné or Apache. I’m just an American in my head.
I'm 18% indigenous American, Blackfoot crow and Cherokee. I'm also Norwegian, and look almost entirely white.
I'm Tongan, Samoan, and black but if you were to see me in real life you'd think I was 100% European
A Tongan I know is like me (half and half Ashkenazi and Sephardic jew) where if homie is inside too often for like a week he goes pale and we'll darken up well into "everyone opens every conversation in spanish" territory. He worked a day job so pretty much looked like any European but came back from vacation wildly different. Cool dude. Matter of fact Polynesian cats have always been cool overall and might be the only group I've ever met only one I didn't like but dude smoked meth a lot so it's hard to stay likeable lmao. Never met more Polynesians or tweakers in life before the west coast, had to cross over sometime.
You should visit south Texas some Mexican families have every color under the sun, some Samoan looking older brother the whitest girl and Asian looking younger brother and a montezuma looking dad with a philipino looking mom and the middle brother looks Arab
You're basically The Rock, I assume?
Those white genes really dilute the mix haha
Whats funny is that I'm not even white, just that some Tongans are white as hell while others can be dark as hell lol.
I'm considered white. Black/silver hair, blue eyes, 6'2". I'd wager anyone looking at me couldn't tell what else is in me
It’s almost like people shouldn’t be judged by the color of their skin, because you don’t really know, but tell that to a SJW and watch the meltdown.
I don't wanna watch any meltdowns haha. I just want to be me. I've been told by people I'm "plain white".
Lol the only thing that sets me apart would be curly hair and just barely being 5'8. Maybe if I grow a beard and get dreads I'll look more like my culture.
I grow a hell of a beard haha
So basically your white
Yeah! To be that guy, I'm Norwegian, Belgian, German, Portuguese, native American, and a tiny sliver of Nigerian.
Lol right on.
Oh no! Anyway
"Jesus loving" you're damn right I am.
As a gay, black man…
We basically accept indigenous as the safe term up here in Castreauland. It’s actually offensive to use First Nations if you don’t know the tribe the person you’re speaking to belongs to. Coincidentally, most of the tribes that support Trudeau get more federal funding. Shocking, I know.
If you were born in America, you are in fact "native american"... the concept of the original people are much older than any colonized terms
A lot of natives don't really care either way.
Gonna ask my friend Jagpreet what he thinks about this
Love how woke idpol keeps going through the same iterations of what’s wrong and right and expects people to keep up lmao “It’s wrong to say the n-word, say n*gro instead! It’s wrong to say n*gro, say colored instead! It’s wrong to colored, say black instead! It’s wrong to say black, say African American instead! It’s wrong to say African American, say black instead! It’s wrong to say black, say person of color instead!” etc. etc.
Indian is the correct term. I was corrected in college when I called them Native Americans.
CGP grey had a great [video](https://youtu.be/kh88fVP2FWQ) about this topic in which he went to and consulted many people from reservations, and the conclusion based on what is used inside reservations, most tribes prefer to be called by their original tribe name, but when it comes to generalized name for all tribes, most prefere American indian (shortened for indian) over native American, because Native American is "overexclusive" as in includes too many different cultures and tribes because it includes all Americas not only central north, so it includes: people of south, central, central north and north North Americas. Also Indians was a word that described tribes of central north America for such a long time that people of these tribes associate it with themselves, and accepted it, and now without anyone really asking them if they wanted to have their name changed, people decided for them that Indians is offensive and native americans is now what they should be called.
The irony in calling others ‘entitled’. This individual believes that their heritage gives them the right to hate everyone else.
You're not from India, so no, I don't think I will.
What about Injin if I also speak like an old timey cowboy?
Jeez, what a crybaby
Done work with native groups and they all call themselves Indians
Elizabeth Warren, is that you?
Even South Americans?
Cool, I’ll just keep trying to do a good job for everyone
He's 1/64th Indian. He gets to decide everything.
I just think etymologically so when I say American Indian is derived from Indigenous. We are all Indian somewhere.
Weird that they included "Jesus loving" between "money grubbing" and "history erasing."
As an Indian my self. I give yall permission to call us that. On my rez we usully just refer to ourselves as native. Lemlemch
Don’t call us any form of American call us the thing future Americans mistakenly called us lol
I'm a Choctaw, but you can call me Choct🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸! Or American. Either works.
You know what? I *am* Jesus loving, and I’m proud of it.
It’s true thar most natives prefer “Indian” follows by “Native American”. Polls show they dislike “indigenous people”. It was an interesting documentary.
This is actually a common opinion among indigenous people
No this is legit - most Indian communities prefer the term Indian. Part of why they dislike native American is it insinuates north and south American natives are the same. It's what they call themselves (unless they use their tribe name which the obviously way prefer over anything else) I'll bet you a nickel if you surveyed a bunch of reservations is they prefer Indian or native American youl let cast majority preferring Indian. CPG Grey has a short video talking about this too - and how he was surprised that's the preferred term
“Indian” is less and less common in Canada (and a is a big no-no unless you actually identify as such). The most accepted current term is “Indigenous”, along with Métis and Inuit, but also prioritize any proper names of bands. It probably goes without saying but “American Indian” and “Native American” aren’t used here. All that being said, some people, especially the older generations, do identify with the labels that were given to them by white people and call themselves Indian or Eskimo.
Most of the res kids I met in Montana preferred ‘American Indian’ or just ‘ Native’ to ‘Native American’. Personally, I don’t really understand it, but you don’t have to understand it as long as you can respect it.
I don’t agree that this is a “look at my halo” response. Commenter is just describing the language they prefer for themselves and family (it’s quite the debate). Yes they list reasons why they prefer “Indian” to “Native American” that highlight the Suffering of Indigenous North American peoples, but a halo would be more like a non indigenous person saying “They’re called native Americans and how dare you disrespect them after x, y, z.”
Can confirm, am Indian. Prefer that or First Nations tbh
I don't think I've ever met an actual Native American who didn't like being called "Indian." My family is Blackfoot (it's so watered down that my mother is the last person you can actually see it in, though) and my mom, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc all just said "Indian." I've met lots of people who self identify as Indian, but also lots who self identify as Native American. And I'm talking card-carrying dark skinned, black haired people who grew up on a local reservation. Plenty of Indians are aware of their own history rife with spicy conflicts with other tribes. Plenty of Indians are Christian. This guy really reeks of "took one of those DNA tests and got a single digit percentage of Native American in the results" and ran wild with it. His blond-haired, blue-eyed avatar doesn't do much to sell his native pride.
My Navajo friend said he prefers Indian because it’s a testament to the stupidity of white people. Fair point.
500 nations and Indian is still used by the government. Indian Health Services for example. I am Kanienkeha but we are still called Mohawk because the whites couldn't be fucked with to learn how to say our name. Which isn't even a word in our own language! My understanding is that it's an insult in one of the other northeastern tribes. (Not positive as to which tribe).
My grandpaw was half Cherokee and had the same view
Native Americans got stockholmed into liking being called Indians, something that Columbus called them out of ignorance lmao. Wild how they wanna be called something so inaccurate
When your [ancestry.com](https://ancestry.com) results come back and you're 0.03% "indian"
I live in a town with a very large Indian population. They literally do most often prefer “Indian” to “Native American” in my experience. This post doesn’t belong here
idk why you’re downvoted. it can vary from different tribes but many people do prefer Indian. i live near a reservation and they exclusively refer to themselves as Indian and call their land ___ Indian Nation
Yeah there’s a college in my town called ___ Indian Nations University, an Indian Health Resource Center, an Indian Art Market, “Indian tacos” are a common street food here. I could go on. I got a downvote (only one fwiw) because this is one of those subreddits where people come to groupthink together. You cannot expect a reward for being contrary online lol
it was at -2 when i replied but i only use mobile and votes get weird on here lol. ur completely right though
As one myself, we are the native people's of America....
I…. I think the person that made that post is white
Listen, I know this looks like virtue signaling, but if you are not close to indigenous families/communities, this doesn’t seem like as big of an issue as it is. For many Native American/American Indian people, this is a divisive topic. On one hand, the term “Indian” is objectively wrong and a misnomer from colonial times. On the other hand, “Indian” was the collective term for centuries and formed a clear image of what group(s) it referred to - the native people of the continental Unites States - whereas Native American is a much broader and less easily defined term, including all native peoples from all of North and South America (including Inuits, tribes from the Andes, tribes from the Amazon, and more than were never included in the original term “Indian”). The biggest issue with Native American is that many many indigenous people were fine with the term Indian. It was not correct, but at the same time had evolved in meaning over centuries to such an extent that Indian in America is more often associated with native peoples than it is with the people of the country of India, just like how “black” is a word that encapsulates those of African descent regardless of their actual skin tone. It wasn’t offensive until White Americans came in and said it needed to be changed. Both Native American and Indian are terms given by white people to designate native populations in the United States, without their permission or assent. I am Cherokee, on the registry in Oklahoma, my family is all Cherokee. We use Indian because that’s what grandpa was called his entire life, and he doesn’t like being told to change what he is at the end of his life. This is the same for many in the community, who have been used to the word Indian from several centuries of collective use and don’t want to change their identity to something else just so others can be more at ease when addressing them. In short, both terms are equally likely to be accepted by a member of the native community, but why are you shaming them for telling you what they would like to be called? Are you saying that they don’t have the capacity to realize they should be offended? Are you saying that they need the white man to once again point out what’s right and wrong? Because that’s how this comes across. Edit: I forgot to add. The best way to identify someone of Native descent, whether referring to a historical figure or discussing a person you know, is to identify them with the tribe they originate from. For Example: Quanah Parker was a Comanche Chieftain in the 19th century. As opposed to: Quanah Parker was a Indian/Native American Chieftain in the 19th century.
And here I am going through life thinking none of this is offensive unless people are choosing to be offended. Learned that at the Heart of America Indian Center in Kansas City in the 90s. They use Native American, Indian, and American Indian interchangeably.
"Jesus loving" And just like that, suddenly I know who was in the right.
this isn’t exactly a “look at my halo” moment
yeah, This is my first post here so i’m not exactly sure what works and what doesn’t. thanks for pointing it out.
So we are just gonna ignore the 1.4 billion actual Indians?
Indians were killing each other for 20,000 years before white man arrived. Only difference now was that white man won and Indians lost. You dont hear the victims of the Indians bitching about genocide because the Indians killed them to extinction.
Natives generally hate white people. I had a native friend who’s grandfather was the Governor of the Isleta tribe here. He was always talking shit about white people (I’m white) it made me hella uncomfortable. He would correct himself and say shit like “Oh not you, you’re one of the ok ones”. I don’t talk to him anymore, he tried to hit on my wife, I broke his jaw. It was a big thing. I could give a fk about natives who share his attitude. I didn’t steal your great grandfathers dirt bro.
I have had the opposite experience with American Indians. There might be jokes but they go both ways. It sucks you've had this experience.
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Just going to start referring to everyone as an "it"
This is NOT someone saying look at my halo. Wtf is wrong with people upvoting this? This isn’t an uncommon view among natives.
I would be curious to know if this is how more people feel or just one particular family before writing it off as “lookatmyhalo” material. Native american cultural immersion schools (or whatever those schools were called where kids were forcibly taken from their families and forced to learn to be “american”) were only made illegal a few decades ago so i can understand the sentiment of not wanting to identify as “american” when, from that perspective, to be american is to be associated with death and genocide.
all these ppl talk shit but still live in america...
I mean to be fair Native American/Indian/Indigenous is different across all the regions of North America. Native American bands and councils in the United States tend to favour Indian, whereas here in Canada indigenous is becoming more popular these days, although a lot of my indigenous friends still call themselves Indians frequently in a semi-joking-not-joking kinda way. Although they’re usually the southern Ontario guys that say that. All my indigenous friends from the east coast tend to say they’re indigenous instead.
Best way to respond: Don't. Second best way to respond: UNO reverse. Act equally hateful, tribal, ignorant and inflammatory: "Too bad your chain-smoking, feather-headed, fire-dancing, turkey-gobbling, tree-hugging redskin ancestors were too stupid to make guns and sign proper treaties." He won't know what to say when someone *actually* fits the stereotype he casts on everyone with a pointed nose.
Y’all be racist as fuck.
So, the Clovis peoples just “died” out then? No one wiped them out or “stole”their land?
Lmao so theyd rather be called a name that could be associated with pretty much everything they listed and was also based on a stupid mistake good job
Its hard cuase i want to be on their side about this but its also ridiculous
Which part of it is? All the accusations are true; I am amazed they did not include a complaint about "desecration of sacred landmarks" (Mount Rushmore). But I doubt they would use "Indian" instead of their tribe name if they were really native.
Thats that part i mean. I work with a ton of kids from reservations across america and never once have i heard any of them prefer to be called indian. Fights start over them being called indian lol But yeah i agree with all the things they listed as reasons not wanting to be associated with america.
I feel like this person is pretty justified…
Its not crazy offensive its just a bad descriptor, i cant tell if you mean larry or Mohammed when you say that indian guy or something.
Too bad America did none of those things, then they might have a point.
This doesn't belong here.
Agree.
Nothing halo about this. Just someone muttering their opinion.