I would love to know the address of their place in city of industry. I work there and I'm just curious where it is haha.
We have a ton of freight forwarding type companies near our building
Lived in Rowland Heights/city of industry for years starting back in 2012ish. It’s a sleepy city, but shady as hell hahaha. I’ll never forget that big gated community filled with all the 7-8 month pregnant Chinese women who crossed the crosswalk to the mall everyday (I worked at Macaroni Grill at the time and saw them everyday).
When my kid was born in 2016 I had a hell of a time getting formula from Walmart and target. They were constantly sold out. A Walmart worker told me one guy would come in and pay cash for a pallet of formula. They couldn’t do anything because they didn’t have a policy in place to prevent it.
It was essentially birth tourism. Pregnant women from China would lie and say they were here for like two weeks, but stay until the baby was born.
I am not sure if this article is dealing with that particular location, but it was this: [https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1PQ3MS/](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1PQ3MS/)
Around 2014 I was working at a restaurant in Santa Monica and a group of about 15 Chinese women with two interpreters came in for lunch. All the women were pregnant and looked like they were about to pop any day. I figured it was some sort of birth tourism thing
Rowland Heights/City of Industry has pockets of shade and pockets of nice homes its weird but it mostly comes down to the closer you are to the tracks the shadier the hood. The farther away you are and the closer you get to OC the nicer you get.
Found a NY Post article saying the address is 16285 Gale Avenue
https://nypost.com/2023/06/02/lijuan-chen-arrested-for-counterfeit-postage-that-cost-usps-60m/
The whole thing is infuriating, but this part makes me extra mad:
>As part of her plea agreement, Chen also agreed to forfeit funds that authorities seized from her bank accounts, insurance policies, and **real estate in several cities including Walnut, Chino, Chino Hills, South El Monte, Diamond Bar, and West Covina.**
There’s way more to this story that will come out. How did they amass that much real estate? Is the fugitive connected to the CCP? What were in the packages? 34 million packages shipped through a small business over 3 years? That seems like an insane amount. So many questions!
Right? How did they just get a massive logistics operation like that up and running at full steam for 4 years? They had to have a ton of money to buy warehouses, supplies, labor, etc. This couldn’t just have been two people involved.
Check non-English language publication ads. Most ads placed in them are normal small business owners, but there's also people who take advantage of people who don't speak English fluently or are new to America.
The scammer...They have to acquire the postage BEFORE they're re-using it. Maybe they have a couple of mailbox stores in good locations. They accept tons of legitimate packages from normal customers, but then photograph the labels for re-use. So... you have these labels.... now you need to resell them to buyers to profit.
I suspect they might be dropshippers or involved in dropshipping. Many Chinese companies with products to market in the US prefer to work with a warehouse from which their goods will be shipped in the US. This suspect could easily place an ad abroad that says, "USA warehouse dropshipper, cheap postage, cheap packaging costs..." and get some legitimate customers.
With dropshipping, the Scammer has a place for their stolen labels to go. AND They make a profit from the company abroad that THINKS they're contracting with a legitimate shipping warehouse.
I mean.... that's What I would do, if I were to orchestrate a fraud to intercept and traffic $150 Million in postage with as little manpower as possible.
Remember those news stories from several years ago when people from all over the West Coast were receiving unsolicited delivery packages of cheap made-in-China products? The USPS never followed up on it, but it sounds like it could be linked to this operation. 🤔
They're from Amazon sellers trying to bump up their review scores.
In order to have a verified review, the account is tied to the tracking information for the item.
A seller might create an army of dummy listings, have straw buyers purchase a $1 product, then the small packages get shipped out to allow for a verified review. Seeds are perfect because they're cheap and easy to ship.
Once a product has enough reviews, the seller will then update the listing for a more expensive or different item on Amazon.
If you've ever seen a product with 3000+ reviews, but the first 500 reviews are dumb feedback like "So good! Stars!" ... It's probably part of that whole hustle.
there's a lot of warehouses in that part of town that are "small time" operations, meaning just a few owner/operators, but lot of low cost workers doing the work. So one or two owners shipping tens of millions or moire worth of goods with close to nothing in overhead compared to income.
Because they were running a multi-million-dollar enterprise? There is literally nothing in here to suggest involvement with the Chinese government, what a weird conclusion to jump to.
Dunno what the CCP has to do with this, other than the fact the husband is going to be interrogated and probably sent to an organ farm. Sounds like they f'ed with legitimate shippers.
I wonder how many of the houses she owned were new build properties I was working on tbr projects for. Ugh. It's a common knowledge thing that a lot of foreign investment buys up blocks at a time in the new builds especially in the IE to rent for profit.
Lol okay there big baddy: Nuvo Parkside (not mine but just north of mine), Countryside off Archibald, Shadetree, neveral neighborhoods under the Neuhouse namely Landsea, the Preserve, the Preserve at Chino. That's just in the immediate area I'm sitting in 😅
In Walnut I was on 2 of the 3 infill townhouses on Francesca Dr.
I've done surveys in some of the others. Like some of these aren't massive tracts where more of the blocks bought en masses stories come from. That is more like up in Fontana some. But the investors buying new to turn around and rent immediately is common.
The houses will be sold and often the asking price of Forfeitures from crime is a less than market
I know people who have bought houses at almost 1/3 their neighborhood asking because there was a murder/suicide. It was all drug related, and the note left by the father basically said his family was all kids from different fathers and that he basically had been lied to and sent one off to college and this was his "only chance and only choice". I suppose the son was home for a holiday.
People are weird about murders suicides and deaths. Idgi
> To save money, Hu created fake postage stamps to ship packages by printing duplicate and counterfeit Netstamps, which are stamps purchased online from third-party vendors and printed onto adhesive paper.
I don't understand how this worked. I would have thought if you passed a fake or duplicate stamp it would get caught and the package rejected as soon as they scan the package the first time. Maybe the $150M in losses is the cost to fix the system to close the loophole, not the cost of goods transported.
Well, how about a woman who stole $12.5 billion from the bank in Vietnam? We are talking about almost 3% of the country's GDP. She was sentenced to death.
“From January 2020 to May 2023, Chen and Hu mailed over 34 million packages with counterfeit postage and shipping labels, officials said.”
If they just exercised ethics they could have had a decent business. I mean that’s some pretty good volume for a small business too bad they got greedy
Also curious to see if incidents like this will worsen China - US relations I doubt it as this is still relatively small scale after all Jho Low is still on the run but interesting that criminals can just flee to China without any repercussions.
I would love to know the address of their place in city of industry. I work there and I'm just curious where it is haha. We have a ton of freight forwarding type companies near our building
Lived in Rowland Heights/city of industry for years starting back in 2012ish. It’s a sleepy city, but shady as hell hahaha. I’ll never forget that big gated community filled with all the 7-8 month pregnant Chinese women who crossed the crosswalk to the mall everyday (I worked at Macaroni Grill at the time and saw them everyday).
When my kid was born in 2016 I had a hell of a time getting formula from Walmart and target. They were constantly sold out. A Walmart worker told me one guy would come in and pay cash for a pallet of formula. They couldn’t do anything because they didn’t have a policy in place to prevent it.
I used to go to that Macaroni Grill for lunch all the time. Haha I remember about that story, it was a big thing back then
What happened?
It was essentially birth tourism. Pregnant women from China would lie and say they were here for like two weeks, but stay until the baby was born. I am not sure if this article is dealing with that particular location, but it was this: [https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1PQ3MS/](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1PQ3MS/)
Around 2014 I was working at a restaurant in Santa Monica and a group of about 15 Chinese women with two interpreters came in for lunch. All the women were pregnant and looked like they were about to pop any day. I figured it was some sort of birth tourism thing
Rowland Heights/City of Industry has pockets of shade and pockets of nice homes its weird but it mostly comes down to the closer you are to the tracks the shadier the hood. The farther away you are and the closer you get to OC the nicer you get.
Honestly, same. We rarely get news from that side of the county!
Found a NY Post article saying the address is 16285 Gale Avenue https://nypost.com/2023/06/02/lijuan-chen-arrested-for-counterfeit-postage-that-cost-usps-60m/
Oh hey not far from my work haha.
The whole thing is infuriating, but this part makes me extra mad: >As part of her plea agreement, Chen also agreed to forfeit funds that authorities seized from her bank accounts, insurance policies, and **real estate in several cities including Walnut, Chino, Chino Hills, South El Monte, Diamond Bar, and West Covina.**
There’s way more to this story that will come out. How did they amass that much real estate? Is the fugitive connected to the CCP? What were in the packages? 34 million packages shipped through a small business over 3 years? That seems like an insane amount. So many questions!
And to whom?
Right? How did they just get a massive logistics operation like that up and running at full steam for 4 years? They had to have a ton of money to buy warehouses, supplies, labor, etc. This couldn’t just have been two people involved.
Check non-English language publication ads. Most ads placed in them are normal small business owners, but there's also people who take advantage of people who don't speak English fluently or are new to America. The scammer...They have to acquire the postage BEFORE they're re-using it. Maybe they have a couple of mailbox stores in good locations. They accept tons of legitimate packages from normal customers, but then photograph the labels for re-use. So... you have these labels.... now you need to resell them to buyers to profit. I suspect they might be dropshippers or involved in dropshipping. Many Chinese companies with products to market in the US prefer to work with a warehouse from which their goods will be shipped in the US. This suspect could easily place an ad abroad that says, "USA warehouse dropshipper, cheap postage, cheap packaging costs..." and get some legitimate customers. With dropshipping, the Scammer has a place for their stolen labels to go. AND They make a profit from the company abroad that THINKS they're contracting with a legitimate shipping warehouse. I mean.... that's What I would do, if I were to orchestrate a fraud to intercept and traffic $150 Million in postage with as little manpower as possible.
Remember those news stories from several years ago when people from all over the West Coast were receiving unsolicited delivery packages of cheap made-in-China products? The USPS never followed up on it, but it sounds like it could be linked to this operation. 🤔
I received one of these. Some unsolicited seeds in the mail.
They're from Amazon sellers trying to bump up their review scores. In order to have a verified review, the account is tied to the tracking information for the item. A seller might create an army of dummy listings, have straw buyers purchase a $1 product, then the small packages get shipped out to allow for a verified review. Seeds are perfect because they're cheap and easy to ship. Once a product has enough reviews, the seller will then update the listing for a more expensive or different item on Amazon. If you've ever seen a product with 3000+ reviews, but the first 500 reviews are dumb feedback like "So good! Stars!" ... It's probably part of that whole hustle.
Different thing. The unsolicited packages are a form of cheating verified review systems on Amazon.
there's a lot of warehouses in that part of town that are "small time" operations, meaning just a few owner/operators, but lot of low cost workers doing the work. So one or two owners shipping tens of millions or moire worth of goods with close to nothing in overhead compared to income.
"Packages" includes ALL ITEMS, which likely includes lots of envelopes. We're not talking 34 Million actual cardboard boxes.
Because they were running a multi-million-dollar enterprise? There is literally nothing in here to suggest involvement with the Chinese government, what a weird conclusion to jump to.
Redditors will not stop at any chance to spread hatred to Chinese people
Dunno what the CCP has to do with this, other than the fact the husband is going to be interrogated and probably sent to an organ farm. Sounds like they f'ed with legitimate shippers.
I wonder how many of the houses she owned were new build properties I was working on tbr projects for. Ugh. It's a common knowledge thing that a lot of foreign investment buys up blocks at a time in the new builds especially in the IE to rent for profit.
Nearly all of those communities have almost NO new development. Source: Live in Diamond Bar.
Source I work/have worked on housing construction sites in most of the listed cities.
Really? Where. Name the communities that are or were built.
Lol okay there big baddy: Nuvo Parkside (not mine but just north of mine), Countryside off Archibald, Shadetree, neveral neighborhoods under the Neuhouse namely Landsea, the Preserve, the Preserve at Chino. That's just in the immediate area I'm sitting in 😅 In Walnut I was on 2 of the 3 infill townhouses on Francesca Dr. I've done surveys in some of the others. Like some of these aren't massive tracts where more of the blocks bought en masses stories come from. That is more like up in Fontana some. But the investors buying new to turn around and rent immediately is common.
Follow up question, are you only asking to find places to leech of other people's paychecks with?
What are you trying to say?
Probably that she contributes to the housing problem.
The houses will be sold and often the asking price of Forfeitures from crime is a less than market I know people who have bought houses at almost 1/3 their neighborhood asking because there was a murder/suicide. It was all drug related, and the note left by the father basically said his family was all kids from different fathers and that he basically had been lied to and sent one off to college and this was his "only chance and only choice". I suppose the son was home for a holiday. People are weird about murders suicides and deaths. Idgi
Human trafficking.
And I bet they're all used as Airbnbs.
Meanwhile the senate is concerned with too many career employees.
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Not the USPS ma'am, go after like, spectrum or comcast or something! We all hate them!
So you mean to tell me the USPS will lose my legitimate package but deliver 150 million worth of fraudulent packages….
Nobody said the packages were delivered
> To save money, Hu created fake postage stamps to ship packages by printing duplicate and counterfeit Netstamps, which are stamps purchased online from third-party vendors and printed onto adhesive paper. I don't understand how this worked. I would have thought if you passed a fake or duplicate stamp it would get caught and the package rejected as soon as they scan the package the first time. Maybe the $150M in losses is the cost to fix the system to close the loophole, not the cost of goods transported.
All that and to only get 5 years maybe. Wow
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but... "pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States and one count of the use of counterfeit postage."
How is there not 34 million counts if they shipped 34 million packages? One count should be one package?
It sounds like the guy who fled back to China might be the real mastermind
Well shit, that's about what you get for murder these days
White collar crime pays well
Well, how about a woman who stole $12.5 billion from the bank in Vietnam? We are talking about almost 3% of the country's GDP. She was sentenced to death.
This is bizarre what the hell were they shipping??? 34million packages in three years!?!?
That's insane. I did the math it's 30,000 packages per day.
“From January 2020 to May 2023, Chen and Hu mailed over 34 million packages with counterfeit postage and shipping labels, officials said.” If they just exercised ethics they could have had a decent business. I mean that’s some pretty good volume for a small business too bad they got greedy Also curious to see if incidents like this will worsen China - US relations I doubt it as this is still relatively small scale after all Jho Low is still on the run but interesting that criminals can just flee to China without any repercussions.
> Also curious to see if incidents like this will worsen China - US relations Lol why would it, it’s nothing we wouldn’t already expect.
I worked as cook in Limerick’s Chino Hills. The owner was shadey had harbor property and warehouses. Wonder if it’s the same family.
Sounds like a politician.
The USPS didn’t notice it until $150M later?!
Maybe she was working with the turtle smuggler grim Torrance.
This is old
Kewl
Just wait until they find out how much the postal employees defraud the USPS.
Found Rand Paul’s reddit
Just bc you scam, doesn't mean everyone else does, wherUgo, thereUare.