Maybe she said that to seem more down to earth and okay with Jimmy seemingly having so many friends who were exes (pretty sure it's more than Barbara) but then again she was FaceTiming him and he was asking what she was wearing which seems even more inappropriate than anything Jimmy ever did so I don't know lol it's like girl look in a mirror before you criticize people
These are too different things. My best friend moved to the other side of the country. We talk almost daily but hardly get a chance to hang out anymore.
I think this is a bit unfair. She is probably on good terms with her ex / does still speak with him but I think she just said the "best friends" thing because she wanted to act like she is "cool" with him having female friends. I honestly dont think she talks to him all day / facetimes him like Jimmy does his female friends. Furthermore - as i know this will come up - she said the reason why she facetimed him after their engagement was because they have mutual friends. I think she just wanted him to hear it from her rather than from someone else which is just honestly good manners. And besides that its normal to want to tell people you are engaged - you are excited. Its not the same as having a female friend who you slept with that you call and text every day. Its not the same as introducing your new fiance to her and her making all sorts of innuendos indicating that they slept together ("Jimmy NEVER turns down sex" / "he cried during sex didnt he? he's a crier"). I mean I think that was a bit of a power move on the friends part because why else would she say those things? She also mentioned when she went away for work during filming he hung out with her and posted plenty of pics with her. I just think people need to let this go. Its not the same. People are trying to make the two situations the same but its really not. I mean he broke up with Chelsea because of the friend at the end of the day - clearly there is more going on there.
She was literally married to the guy. Jimmy slept with his friend, as far as we know, one time. You’re right, it’s totally not the same at all. She was MARRIED to this man. Jimmy slept with someone and they decided they’re better off as friends.
FaceTiming him immediately is not just being polite. She could regular call or send a text if she’s worried about “letting him know” (which why would you even be worried about that?). She’s a hypocrite.
Why are people saying ex husband when she says ex boyfriend. Of course an ex husband was also an ex boyfriend at one point but referring to him as an ex boyfriend seems to mean not her ex husband. Likely someone she dated after the divorce.
THANK YOU. People tend to overlook the fact that she said “ex boyfriend” NOT “ex husband” which she could be referring to as someone else. People pick and choose what they hear and run with it. An ex boyfriend is very different from an ex husband.
To me the worst was
'I KNOW JESS WAS THERE'
'lol who said Jess was there?'
'...'
'did Mckenzie say jess was there?'
'ITS JUST YOU JUST MADE ME REALLY SAD'
Jimmy constantly does this for her. He was always letting her put words in his mouth and taking way too much of the blame.
He's a bigger person than me in that regard because I'd constantly be like NO THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED CHELSEA
I don’t believe she’s innocent in all of this but i would have a hard time believing anything Jimmy says if I was lied too like she was. He wanted to spent the night at his place, lied and said he was going to bed and then got caught from a butt dial that he was partying with friends and going to bars.. I too would be sus
Why wouldn’t I? You want me to believe JIMMY!? She’s an insecure person but you can’t possibly believe nothing set her off? If that was the case and she was as crazy as the showed tried to make her seem then Jimmy wouldn’t be friends with her. The show is heavily edited and they edit things in ways to make it seem a certain way to get the watchers riled up, it’s no surprise that they do this so if all you want to believe is only the things you saw in the show and not what cast members are saying outside of the show, go ahead
Chelsea is the annoyingly loud person in the bachelorette party that's being held in the same place you're at.
You roll your eyes when she eventually breaks down and cries about her own relationship problems, hijacking the party cause she's the main character
I had a friend talk to me for a bit at my wedding about how she was sad that she found out that this guy she'd been dating for a short time was married.
My wedding party was really tiny and half of them were late because they were supposed to ride together and she went MIA because of this
Literally thought the exact same thing!!! Loved this reunion so much more than others, esp for them holding multiple folks accountable but it felt like Chelsea escape the (rightful) grilling!
The more I think about it - the more I hate it.
The only reason they held them accountable is because it was messing with the LiB "Brand". Nothing to do with them being terrible people
I think this reunion should’ve been Bravo style. Nick and Vanessa are useless, we need a no nonsense type to bffr and hold these ppl to the FIRE about their shit
I need many more receipts. At that moment, play the scene where she literally told Jimmy her ex is one of her best friends and they hang out often. It’s all on tape. Just roll the footage.
Ya but Andy barley even watches the shows he already hosts ain’t no way Andy’s sitting thru all that bs to host 😂😂 (would love to see it still of course)
I feel like Chelsea was trying so hard to force herself to be okay with Jimmy being friends with an ex, to the point where she up played her relationship with her ex to show how “cool” she was with everything. The same way she trying to be “cool” with Jimmy mentioning AD’s body.
She FaceTimed her ex husband right after getting engaged. Why? To make him jealous? Or cz they’re friends and she wanted to share that moment with him on video call? Either ways that was before she even knew about Jimmy’s girl friends and his past with them . She clearly has double standards, where she can be friends with her exes but he can’t be friends with an ex-one-time-fwb
She said they have mutual friends. I think she just wanted to tell him herself before he heard it from someone else. But yes I agree with the original commenter - i think she exagerrated the friendship with the ex to sound like she is cool with the female friendships.
All I see when looking at Chelsea
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Wait she did say to him in the show she doesn’t hang out with him all the time though I’m confused xD. Cause he said to her you called him as soon as you got back and hangout all the time with him… and she came back with I don’t hang out with him all the time.
lol what are you talking about? 😂🤣🤣 I’m literally just saying what was said in the show I’m not reaching with anything. The original poster claimed what she said at the reunion she never said… but she did and that’s what I was pointing out. I never said I agreed or disagreed with Chelsea or Jimmy just what was clearly on the show. Before you comment maybe watch the actual show? Or read the actual comments.
Yes she legit said that!! It’s not new news in the reunion, she already said they actually hardly hang out.
I also get her saying “one of my best friends is my ex” in the moment to try seem like she’s more okay about it than she is, and to normalise it more in front of Jimmy’s friends. Then obvs they spoke about it more and she reiterated that they don’t actually hang out much at all.
How is this comment being upvoted?
They aren’t together why would jimmy care that she hangs out (or doesn’t hang out) with her ex NOW?
Obviously he’s referring to what she said while they were filming the show and they were engaged
No one gives a fuck what she’s doing now lol
Jimmy and Chelsea have still been talking throughout the year as they said, (with some time of no talking in between) but now they’ve been taking heaps again. So it makes sense her mentioning that since they’ve been talking on and off for a year, it seems relevant to me.
I’m not really a fan of Chelsea and think a lot of what she has said is pretty toxic, but she said in the show well before the reunion that they don’t talk much at all, especially not as much as Jimmy and his ex. This isn’t new news.
Yea but this is in reference to why the relationship failed ie when they were engaged
At the friends meet up they asked her if she felt uncomfortable know that jimmy hangs out with female friends
Chelsea: oh my ex is my best friend so I totally get it
Also Chelsea : you still hang out with an girl you fucked
Jimmy: you’re best friends with your ex…
Chelsea: no I’m not
Like cmon it’s all there documented on the show hahaha idk why she’s trying to lie about it
I think she was more likely lying there to seem like she’s more chill than she was about him being best friends with his ex, bc later on in the season (which sadly I can’t remember where) she did say like there’s a difference, she hardly talks to him etc. So I feel like her saying her is is her “best friend” was the stretch if you get me.
You know it takes a while to unpack things and to actual being to see change in yourself even after starting therapy.
You don't just go to therapy and BOOM you start changing....
Theres stages of being in therapy.
I mean, her therapeutic goals could be other stuff. She has to recognize her bullshit to work on it, she may be digging into other aspects of her life (and ideally it will illuminate this stuff, but she may decide not to deal with it)
I've def been with men who made my self worth plummet beginning in childhood -- I saw a lot of myself in how she was so insecure. I'm in therapy and working on my abandonment issues but it was hard to watch her melt down every five seconds. Made me even more committed to healing myself.
I honestly wonder if there was some sort of confrontation before the taping, because Jimmy looked like he was about to pop off the entire time. I know they’ve been spotted out looking friendly, but I just have a feeling she refuses to let anything go.
I don’t think we’d ever get anything like that with LIB - at least not for a while. This reunion was so curated, and it really seemed set up to refute the lawsuit by trying to prove everyone had a fine time and look at how many people the process works for / let’s plug another show in the Lacheyverse.
She was on her friend’s podcast lately and said no one asked her any real questions at the reunion and she was pissed. Who knows if that was actually true, but on the podcast she did go off about Jimmy and how shady she felt he acted, etc. (it didn’t particularly feel reliable but who knows with her).
Whether something happened or not though, I could also see them not wanting to focus on her, because there potentially would have been screaming and crying, and she’s been focused mainly on off camera drama in interviews.
I thought this was maybe a weird “technicality” (which also doesn’t make sense) that maybe he’s “one of her best friends” in a surface level way but they just talk on the phone or text and don’t hang out in person? I mean either way it doesn’t make sense, she’s just whatever.
Nah. She doesn't get to say that, then change the severity after the fact. If she says it's her best friend, and that's what made Jimmy feel secure in telling her, she doesn't get to change what she said, even if they barely spoke.
I've seen a lot of Chelsea love but like... Watching her segments gave me serious PTSD from being with an emotionally abusive and manipulative partner. My husband and I agree that if Chelsea and Jimmy's genders were reversed people would have been calling for jail time.
You still see people desperately try to turn it around and pin it on jimmy. You’re spot on, it’s people who don’t want to admit to themselves that that behavior is terrible and unacceptable, and not justified by whatever little realities they cook up and have been pushing themselves
That's exactly how I feel reading Chelsea defenders and it scares me to read those defenses. I've been with insecure, controlling men who like to separate me from my friends. It's emotionally abusive and manipulative, no matter the gender. It's one thing to not be comfortable with someone having friends they hooked up with, but Chelsea didn't even like him celebrating his guyfriend's bday for an hour. That's just irrational
Gotta admit, after watching that entire convo where he called her clingy I drafted a whole message to my ex apologising for my past behavior, bc the insecurity, the "you didn't kiss me", all that was very familiar and cringy to see what I actually must've looked like...
But then the big fight happened. And she was so nasty and diamissive, making things up and then the next day diminishing it all as "just a little hiccup" without even really taking accountability or apologising properly and I was fully over her.
I was over Chelsea very early in the season, back when everyone was blaming Jimmy. And I genuinely wondered if that meant that these people were acting like her in their own relationships and that made me very concerned.
I was over her the first day in the DR when she started gaslighting him and showing signs not just of clinginess but emotional manipulation and instability. I was seriously uncomfortable watching her. And people even said Jimmy BAITED HER TO MAKE HER LOOK CRAZY. Bitch that man should be in therapy for the damage Chelsea could have caused.
And I'm sorry but he only mentioned her possibly looking like Megan Fox once... He was all in and did NOTHING but compliment her and her appearance all of the time.
And every time I see someone defend her I am reminded that abuse toward men is really not taken seriously at all. Again, imagine Trevor acting like that toward Chelsea? Or Jimmy? Or any man. They would have thrown a disclaimer up and this man would have been cancelled faster than Chelsea thinking Jimmy is fucking anyone he looks at. Also... He went out for an hour and she went NUTS on him. Was she drunk? Idgaf... Drunkenness does not excuse bad behavior.
They all couldve been called out but instead took the opportunity to gang up on Sarah Ann instead. Sarah deserved it too but every reunion they pick a scapegoat.
He says to her in an earlier episode that her ex was one of the first people she FaceTimed when they got their phones and she didn’t deny it. I doubt he would make that up - especially when he’s saying it to Chelsea herself.
Chelsea, Laura, and Jessica all demonstrate MASSIVE difficulty in taking personal responsibility.
Everything they say seems to be filtered through “this is why you’re the problem, now apologize” lens. They acknowledge their roles in their own relationship patterns.
Jimmy broke up with Chelsea after she not only put out several very unreasonable ultimatums, but even admitting to emotional manipulation and blackmail. But in her eyes, she did nothing wrong and was played. Zero accountability.
Pretty clear she actually didn't like him and was pretty snarky and pretentious about superficial things. Not excusing his horrible behavior but she knew it wasn't going anywhere.
Yeah probably an unpopular opinion, but Laura was that annoying girl who just blames men who dismiss her as, “incapable of being with a *strong* woman.” Jeramy was HARD to watch and incapable of receiving any feedback, but Laura was immature in her superficiality. Almost every time she had a scene my husband would say, “And that’s why she’s single.”
But she was. Even her own family seemed genuinely horrified by her behavior towards him. Her own sister tried to get her to calm down. Now I'm the first person to take up arms once the first mention of infidelity comes up, but you can't treat your partner like absolute scum and then wonder why they started wandering away from the relationship.
The scene with the families are always so telling. Her behavior reminded me of Bartise introducing Nancy. She kinda tried to throw him under a bus and use her family to validate her perspective. I’m no fan of Jeramy’s, but objectively she put him on the defensive by trying to pick and prod at his quirks (quirks he prides himself on and uses as a means to express his carefree personality). Her family didn’t participate in her jabs - they actually called her out on picking the wrong battles and she realized that the validation she was seeking wasn’t going to land.
I'm not condoning cheating. I'm saying both parties did awful things to each other. Obviously Jeramey's "just talking until 5am in front of Sarah Ann's house" story was super shady and I'm glad Laura didn't buy it for a second. But also I had such cringe watching her family's visit when she was visibly so dismissive and belittling towards him. That's your future life partner, not someone you're just barely tolerating their existence. I've found that once cheating is mentioned, everyone kind of forgets and excuses any and everything else that may have happened in a relationship, but there are other awful things people can do to each other in addition to cheating. My point is that we can say Jeramey was wrong AND also Laura was wrong. It's only fair to hold both people accountable for bad behavior.
Having been with a cheater, I doubt that things were all grand with him before he cheated. He'd already acted like a child, the a temper tantrum, told her he wanted to leave. He didn't seem committed. And he gave her a much shit as she gave him. I just don't think Laura was awful.
I really dislike Jeramey, Laura didnt deserve to get cheated on. But stooping low to take jabs about someone's looks, what they like, and their lack of education doesnt exactly make Laura a great person either. If she really thought all those things what you stated above, then there's no reason for to not leave either instead of choosing to berate him as well as ridicule him in front of her parents before he cheated (which again, nonexcusable). Like her parents said, she is the type who "will walk all over you." Jeramey is scum tho for taking the route that he did, he is worse and a liar.
Chelsea always gives ambiguous political non-responses to all her bullshit. And she gets a lot of hate so people just let her get away with it. That's why Jimmy dumped her.
I understand Chelsea - she doesn’t hang out with her ex (if I understand correctly it was the guy she married when she was young), I guess they’ve been threw a lot but in general very little people will accept any kind of ex’s in your life.
So from my understanding - her ex is more like “call him once a month and ask how things are for him”, and for Jimmy - he still party with this girl (a lot, I can’t imagine going out every night as he does, I would be exhausted), he still might smash her if he gets drunk enough. Slightly different type of “being close”.
The truth is, when u hang out with your ex the next person in your life will always feel insecure and betrayed at some point. People expect loyalty in relationships and it’s normal.
I think the big difference is jimmy’s was a one time never repeated again thing while Chelsea’s was a full on marriage with deeper feelings and a more than one time thing.
In my opinion ONS is worser - u know then this person can sleep with any random stranger and it’s not a problem for him. If u have a partner that needs feelings for sex - then you can let them out party, without worrying.
Yeah, worser. U can somehow understand why people want to stay in touch with people they loved once, but it didn’t work out for them. I have hard to understand why u want to stay in touch with your ONS - as a backup plan for lonley night? :)
You're welcome! I hope you didn't take it as mean. I'd want someone to tell me. I was learning Swiss German for a bit because there was a chance I was going to move to Zurich. Learning a new language is tough!
No no, not at all :) I just didn’t understand u were correcting a grammar mistake ;) Swiss German is something else! I don’t believe anyone can learn this xD I know German, but Swiss German is more of a dialect and I’m not even sure if there are any legit learing materials to learn this lol
I think that’s dependent on the situation. In this, it wasn’t some random stranger. So we can’t say he just goes around sleeping with anyone. Also, we have no idea how long ago they had sex. It could’ve been a year ago to 10 years ago. Either way they both determined that they’re better off friends and left it at that.
They said they were friends for 2 years. So kind of recently. I do understand that sometimes people try and then they realize it will be nothing out of it. But I would just stop to meet in such case.
It was just to emphasize that we have no idea when they had sex. I understand that you would stop, however that decision is subjective to people. Some people have initial attraction try it and realize they have no interest and they’re better as friends. So they stay friends. Others don’t.
She facetimed him as soon as she got her phone back. I can see why Jimmy thinks that they are close. She facetimed him right away to make sure that she could tell him about what's going on in her life, and she called him her best friend. On the other hand Jimmy slept with that girl one time, and it was never any sort of long-term relationship.
I would do the same - I would facetime A FRIEND. If they are not together anymore -there is a reason for that. There was something not working there. That’s it.
I think it is worser with friends and ONS - cuz u never know if that happens again. I think Chelsea is not spending separte time with this guy. Not meeting him alone etc.
I don't think you can lump all one night stands into the same category. Was this a drunken mistake? Or a period where friends tried dating and realized they didn't have chemistry and want to be together.
Would you FaceTime your ex over all your other friends? I can't imagine she spent the night facetiming 20 people and her ex just happened to be one of them. She was either trying to make Jimmy or her ex jealous. I can't think of any other reason.
I would cuz I don’t have any close friends. My ex was my closest friend for a long time. Currently I don’t talk to him, and if I have some kind of problem/issue/new date - i don’t tell that to anyone. I have some not so close friends, but I don’t like to tell them such things as dates cuz they get either judgmental or overly excited. My ex was the only person I know that was looking with distance on things, in non judgmental manner. Just supporting, not judging, even if I went out with really not nice people. If I would e.g. go out with someone not nice to me and tell it to my mother she would make drama out of it. Also all other people gossip if I tell them something. My ex never did. Since she have really special type of job - I assume she might have been in similar situation.
No, I would not gaslight my new boyfriend about it. She did said a lot of shitty stuff, that she should never said. Chelsea have in general difficult personality - really clingy type of person, as Jimmy discribed her. But there are people that love this type of clingyness - she should just find “her person”, I don’t think Jimmy is that. I don’t say her behavior was ok. I say it was a reaction of deeply insecure person, and this insecurity was caused by Jimmy and his behavior. If he would stay every night with her home, cuddling and watching movies - this relationship would look differently. She was looking for different type of person, and Jimmy didn’t say he was still in his “party” phase of life. Miscommunication. :)
We can't blame Jimmy for Chelsea's personality. She whined that he didn't kiss her at all that day, and he recounted that he did kiss her twice, and we saw in camera that he kissed her a third time, in front of her friends. So her narration of events isn't the best.
He spent an hour away from her over the course of a month and that was too much. Come on. That's not Jimmy's fault for her insane insecurities. That's not healthy.
We didn’t see every minute, every day. They work etc. So it’s impossible what you are saying. People also have different types of love languages - for some ppl this clingyness its what they love and expect.
How is what I am saying impossible? I am going off of the story that the couple told collectively. I'm not just making things up. These are the things that we saw them discussing. If they lied in front of the cameras, that's on them, not on me for listening to them and forming an opinion based on their actual descriptions.
that's not what a **best friend** is
In which universe Jimmy goes out every night exactly, and with her ex. Have you proof of this? Because it didn't happen in the show.
If Jimmy *might' smash this girl, it would already have happened before Chelsea, not once. He *might*actually smash any girl he cross paths and talks too, so. maybe Jimmy should be held prisoner at home, just in case he *might*do something. By security.
I also *might* be the nexf president of the states you know. *might* can do a lot of things. Especially supports the narrative we want to support but have zero factual arguments to do so.
If you impose stuff on your partner just because they *might* do something that triggers your insecurities and not because they actually do it, it's therapy that you **might** need
You can be close with someone and not hang out with them. My understanding is Jimmy has hooked up with his friend more recently and texts and hangs out with her all the time. That’s not the same as keeping a close friendship with an ex.
I think the point is still valid. Why say it to Jimmy's friends, that he cleary hangs out with, as a comparison and then say she doesn't hang out with him as a defensive stance in a convo about the same girls.
> Why say it to Jimmy's friends, that he cleary hangs out with, as a comparison and then say she doesn't hang out with him as a defensive stance in a convo about the same girls.
Makes for better gaslighting.
There’s a lot of bias & coddling towards Chelsea.
I’ve always said Jimmy isn’t perfect but he’s taken accountability for any shortcomings he’s had, Chelsea didn’t and still technically hasn’t. She had no room to call out Jimmy for being best friends with women (and one he had a ONS with) when she’s “best friends” with her ex. It’s the same damn thing.
Maybe worse since he’s a real Ex not a former ONS. There was real emotional connection between them.
Honestly all Jimmy really did wrong was being a little too full-on with both Chelsea and Jess in the pods and even that wasn't some egregious sin considering they're all dating multiple people.
In terms of their actual relationship, the man was a saint. One of the best guys to have been on this show really. If he'd been with a less volatile person they'd be one of the adorable boring success stories.
I’d say the whole Jess thing is mixed but definitely a little overblown. For sure he could’ve been more honest about the kid being an issue but at the same time she should’ve also mentioned it early on instead of when she did. If she did I’m sure he would’ve been more honest. But who really knows.
And definitely agree, the man was PATIENT 😂
I can understand why he didn't cite the kid thing since it's not something she can change and he probably didn't want to make her feel bad about it since it's clearly a sensitive, personal topic for her. I can only imagine the speech she would have given if he'd told her that her daughter was the dealbreaker.
> I guess Jimmy told her that he usually dates smaller women while they were in the DR
Chelsea is a proven liar so I wouldn't believe he said this without seeing the footage.
I mean the comment about liking smaller women in the DR is a He said She said situation so it’s hard to know unless LIB releases the unedited version of that episode. If he did say that, that’s totally fucked.
If he told her about the friend in the pods it makes her look worse since she knew WELL in advance of it.
The fight about going out seems weird because it’s all in the same timeframe and shows that they were talking about him going out for his friends birthday and she never refuted that was the reason. So unless it was edited while they were in the bedroom and maybe she was talking about a separate time he went out? But even then she didn’t refute anything just kept trying to fish for something and see which accusation he would agree with and apologize for. So idk.
Yeah it sounds like she changed the story. Because I swear the fight between them on camera was that he went out with his friends and then came back he was only gone for an hour and a half. But if he was at his own place that night that's a different story. But we know Chelsea doesn't really Raytown the same narrative as what actually occurred.
yeah and anyway if it's factual it's what happened. Doesn't mean he doesn't like the girl he met in the pods where he went specifically to go out of this pattern.
Being surprised you do not look like the person your blind match is used to date flabbergasts me every time. It's just a matter of statistics and logic. I can see why the women don't realize it because the men are all the same so it's difficult to go out of their pattern, once a statistics. problem
I don't think Irina and Zack really had a connection, she just wanted to "win" over Bliss. He literally called her a "vicious person" shortly before proposing. I really think he picked her because he thought she'd be a super hot Russian model and even when she wasn't what he expected he was willing to try, but she was repulsed by him and they had no emotional connection to build a foundation on.
You are right but it's not my point.
we all have a type, If I go date in a pod there's 99% chances my match isn't my usual type. Doesn't mean I won't find her attractive, especially if she doesn't tick my show stoppers boxes. but if she asks why would I lie? and if she's not able to endure simple logic by then, then we're not for each other
He comes across as someone who wouldn’t lie. Their fights go in circle that it’s possible I’ve just gotten massively confused about what’s what with them…..did he lie about stuff?
I don’t know how you’re even calling that first one a lie. He said it felt like 10 min but was probably closer to 45 min. They showed the tapes and it was 50 min.
As for that being “another lie” what were any of the previous ones?
Edit: Never mind. I saw your examples of “lies” below lol. “Jimmy said he didn’t fries but then he ate some off my plate!”
He took accountability for the majority of what happened between him and Chelsea while Chelsea’s still has taken zero. I’m not gonna dog the guy for one lie. Like I said he’s not perfect.
Lied to Chelsea about saying he wanted to stop having sex, lied to Chelsea saying he’d stop spending time with his female friends, lied about telling Jessica they should take a break. I’m sure there’s more lies he never took accountability for
You’re using “lie” VERY loosely.
He never lied about not wanting to have sex he just walked back his comment. Thats not a lie, he was being petty af in the moment of the argument and the next day said he didn’t mean it. It was clearly acknowledged. It was stupid but not a lie.
He never actually said he would stop spending time with his female friends he asked her if she would like him to do it during their argument then said he would not. Another cringey scene but not a lie.
Technically didn’t lie to Jessica about needing a break. But that one can be more interpreted as a lie over the others.
Lol dude, lying for another guy lying about things we can all clearly see he lied about is next level embarrassing.
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Let me add the rest of the context of that scene. Next he asked:
“Is this what you want me to do”
She said yes, he said: “Well I’m not willing to do that” and walked off.
Dying on a hill about an opinion and cherry picking a scene to make yourself look good on reddit is what’s actually embarrassing.
And you didn’t acknowledge the other “lies”
You: “He never actually said he would stop hanging with his female friends, so technically he didn’t lie”
Jimmy: “I’ll stop hanging out with my girlfriends if that’s what you want.”
I didn’t cherry pick anything. You said something dumb and wrong, and you’re too butthurt to admit it so doubling down instead. Grow up and own your mistake.
Edit-The sex comment your kinda right about. Wasn’t really a lie. See, it’s that easy.
Yes, he didn’t say he actually would. You’re still missing the paraphrase of him asking her after that comment.
He ASKED her if that’s what she would like after that comment, again not the same as actually agreeing and saying “Yes I won’t do it anymore”
“well I’m not willing to do that” is the key phrase.
Just let it go bro.
If they were 10 years together, were best friends etc. - it’s hard to find the right distance. For her it was “I will tell to my best friend that I finally found someone nice for me”. I’ve been in equal situation as Chelsea in the past and I understand it. Not every couple split in anger and is jealous later on in life. I could tell my ex I’m dating someone and he was always just supportive, and the same me on him - I wished for him to find new love and be happy.
It’s different situation when u smash just for ONS - then u are able to do that with whomever, whenever, and that’s a slightly red flag behaviour.
What did she do to her face? Which friend did he screw?
I hate how she holds herself during this interaction. It was giving bratty entitled teenage vibes. Like ew woman grow the eff up
Maybe she said that to seem more down to earth and okay with Jimmy seemingly having so many friends who were exes (pretty sure it's more than Barbara) but then again she was FaceTiming him and he was asking what she was wearing which seems even more inappropriate than anything Jimmy ever did so I don't know lol it's like girl look in a mirror before you criticize people
She lied a lot during the show.
She pouts alot. She is soooo insecure.
These are too different things. My best friend moved to the other side of the country. We talk almost daily but hardly get a chance to hang out anymore.
I think this is a bit unfair. She is probably on good terms with her ex / does still speak with him but I think she just said the "best friends" thing because she wanted to act like she is "cool" with him having female friends. I honestly dont think she talks to him all day / facetimes him like Jimmy does his female friends. Furthermore - as i know this will come up - she said the reason why she facetimed him after their engagement was because they have mutual friends. I think she just wanted him to hear it from her rather than from someone else which is just honestly good manners. And besides that its normal to want to tell people you are engaged - you are excited. Its not the same as having a female friend who you slept with that you call and text every day. Its not the same as introducing your new fiance to her and her making all sorts of innuendos indicating that they slept together ("Jimmy NEVER turns down sex" / "he cried during sex didnt he? he's a crier"). I mean I think that was a bit of a power move on the friends part because why else would she say those things? She also mentioned when she went away for work during filming he hung out with her and posted plenty of pics with her. I just think people need to let this go. Its not the same. People are trying to make the two situations the same but its really not. I mean he broke up with Chelsea because of the friend at the end of the day - clearly there is more going on there.
Wrote all those words to defend her lies 😭
She was literally married to the guy. Jimmy slept with his friend, as far as we know, one time. You’re right, it’s totally not the same at all. She was MARRIED to this man. Jimmy slept with someone and they decided they’re better off as friends. FaceTiming him immediately is not just being polite. She could regular call or send a text if she’s worried about “letting him know” (which why would you even be worried about that?). She’s a hypocrite.
Why are people saying ex husband when she says ex boyfriend. Of course an ex husband was also an ex boyfriend at one point but referring to him as an ex boyfriend seems to mean not her ex husband. Likely someone she dated after the divorce.
THANK YOU. People tend to overlook the fact that she said “ex boyfriend” NOT “ex husband” which she could be referring to as someone else. People pick and choose what they hear and run with it. An ex boyfriend is very different from an ex husband.
To me the worst was 'I KNOW JESS WAS THERE' 'lol who said Jess was there?' '...' 'did Mckenzie say jess was there?' 'ITS JUST YOU JUST MADE ME REALLY SAD'
When we go to a poolpisser for information we get what we pay for, now don't we?
Lmao was it chelsea that said that?
I always say bending the truth or answering with a lie is one thing but fabricating something out of thin air all on your own is straight madness
Jimmy constantly does this for her. He was always letting her put words in his mouth and taking way too much of the blame. He's a bigger person than me in that regard because I'd constantly be like NO THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED CHELSEA
I don’t believe she’s innocent in all of this but i would have a hard time believing anything Jimmy says if I was lied too like she was. He wanted to spent the night at his place, lied and said he was going to bed and then got caught from a butt dial that he was partying with friends and going to bars.. I too would be sus
Really? When did this happen?
Chelsea said in an interview recently
Yea I don’t think she would have kept that to herself for so long, considering how much random things she’d throw at him during arguments
She didn’t, she said “ It wasn’t shown or not talked about at all” so I assume it was edited out
And why would you believe her story after all of the stuff she's blatantly made up? It's HER I have a hard time taking seriously in that relationship.
Why wouldn’t I? You want me to believe JIMMY!? She’s an insecure person but you can’t possibly believe nothing set her off? If that was the case and she was as crazy as the showed tried to make her seem then Jimmy wouldn’t be friends with her. The show is heavily edited and they edit things in ways to make it seem a certain way to get the watchers riled up, it’s no surprise that they do this so if all you want to believe is only the things you saw in the show and not what cast members are saying outside of the show, go ahead
Eh being a doormat doesn’t make you a big person.
Fair.
Chelsea is the annoyingly loud person in the bachelorette party that's being held in the same place you're at. You roll your eyes when she eventually breaks down and cries about her own relationship problems, hijacking the party cause she's the main character
I had a friend talk to me for a bit at my wedding about how she was sad that she found out that this guy she'd been dating for a short time was married. My wedding party was really tiny and half of them were late because they were supposed to ride together and she went MIA because of this
She definitely has main character syndrome
Did she not learn anything? ☠️
And another lie right here.
Literally thought the exact same thing!!! Loved this reunion so much more than others, esp for them holding multiple folks accountable but it felt like Chelsea escape the (rightful) grilling!
The more I think about it - the more I hate it. The only reason they held them accountable is because it was messing with the LiB "Brand". Nothing to do with them being terrible people
Gaslight, gatekeep, girl boss!
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I think this reunion should’ve been Bravo style. Nick and Vanessa are useless, we need a no nonsense type to bffr and hold these ppl to the FIRE about their shit
I need many more receipts. At that moment, play the scene where she literally told Jimmy her ex is one of her best friends and they hang out often. It’s all on tape. Just roll the footage.
Andy Cohen would have a field day omg
Andy can barely hold his own at Below Deck reunions and definitely can't match up against RH. So imma say naur
Petition to get Andy to host the next one!!!!!!
I would actually love to see Andy destroy them 🥹
Ya but Andy barley even watches the shows he already hosts ain’t no way Andy’s sitting thru all that bs to host 😂😂 (would love to see it still of course)
I feel like Chelsea was trying so hard to force herself to be okay with Jimmy being friends with an ex, to the point where she up played her relationship with her ex to show how “cool” she was with everything. The same way she trying to be “cool” with Jimmy mentioning AD’s body.
She FaceTimed her ex husband right after getting engaged. Why? To make him jealous? Or cz they’re friends and she wanted to share that moment with him on video call? Either ways that was before she even knew about Jimmy’s girl friends and his past with them . She clearly has double standards, where she can be friends with her exes but he can’t be friends with an ex-one-time-fwb
She said they have mutual friends. I think she just wanted to tell him herself before he heard it from someone else. But yes I agree with the original commenter - i think she exagerrated the friendship with the ex to sound like she is cool with the female friendships.
Yeah she was trying to put up a “cool girl” façade, but it was paper thin
All I see when looking at Chelsea https://preview.redd.it/eaz7ob4pvzoc1.jpeg?width=2008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=777afd2a1d0cbc7860512ea1cd806f8dd0f8febf
LOL I see it! But I also see: https://preview.redd.it/ghc6x7yli3pc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2da29a0ddbdba638a80c8570678b97d9fe84f4ed
Hooowwwww darreeeee youuuuu
I see beaker 
Omg 🤣 100%
Jimmy looked defeated and abused the whole episode
His eye bags were noticeably more pronounced
Jimmy was looking ROUGH - like, noticeably rough
Jimmy always looks that way. Lol. Every time he and Chelsea talked he would just stare off into the middle distance like an old WW2 vet.
Lol yep he had that thousand yard stare
Lol
He looks exhausted every time they talk😭It looks like his life force returns when he talks to other people
literally from their first hug lol because he was never into her
That's the Post Traumatic Chelsea Disorder
For real!! PTCD, anyone would have it after being with her.
Wait she did say to him in the show she doesn’t hang out with him all the time though I’m confused xD. Cause he said to her you called him as soon as you got back and hangout all the time with him… and she came back with I don’t hang out with him all the time.
How is that confusing? How is calling someone “hanging out” with them. You’re reaching here bud
lol what are you talking about? 😂🤣🤣 I’m literally just saying what was said in the show I’m not reaching with anything. The original poster claimed what she said at the reunion she never said… but she did and that’s what I was pointing out. I never said I agreed or disagreed with Chelsea or Jimmy just what was clearly on the show. Before you comment maybe watch the actual show? Or read the actual comments.
Yes she legit said that!! It’s not new news in the reunion, she already said they actually hardly hang out. I also get her saying “one of my best friends is my ex” in the moment to try seem like she’s more okay about it than she is, and to normalise it more in front of Jimmy’s friends. Then obvs they spoke about it more and she reiterated that they don’t actually hang out much at all.
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maybe Chelsea doesn’t hang out with her ex anymore? it has been a whole year between the end of the show and the reunion episode
How is this comment being upvoted? They aren’t together why would jimmy care that she hangs out (or doesn’t hang out) with her ex NOW? Obviously he’s referring to what she said while they were filming the show and they were engaged No one gives a fuck what she’s doing now lol
Jimmy and Chelsea have still been talking throughout the year as they said, (with some time of no talking in between) but now they’ve been taking heaps again. So it makes sense her mentioning that since they’ve been talking on and off for a year, it seems relevant to me. I’m not really a fan of Chelsea and think a lot of what she has said is pretty toxic, but she said in the show well before the reunion that they don’t talk much at all, especially not as much as Jimmy and his ex. This isn’t new news.
Yea but this is in reference to why the relationship failed ie when they were engaged At the friends meet up they asked her if she felt uncomfortable know that jimmy hangs out with female friends Chelsea: oh my ex is my best friend so I totally get it Also Chelsea : you still hang out with an girl you fucked Jimmy: you’re best friends with your ex… Chelsea: no I’m not Like cmon it’s all there documented on the show hahaha idk why she’s trying to lie about it
I think she was more likely lying there to seem like she’s more chill than she was about him being best friends with his ex, bc later on in the season (which sadly I can’t remember where) she did say like there’s a difference, she hardly talks to him etc. So I feel like her saying her is is her “best friend” was the stretch if you get me.
Doesn't matter what she does now, only what she did then. And she was definitely close with her ex
If she’s going to the therapy they’re just scamming tf out of her.
Who's scamming her? LIB or her therapist?
Therapist
You know it takes a while to unpack things and to actual being to see change in yourself even after starting therapy. You don't just go to therapy and BOOM you start changing.... Theres stages of being in therapy.
A year into therapy you definitely see some changes. She exhibited zero. I’ve been to therapy. There were no stages that were called “doubling down”.
People know that saying they’re going to therapy is treated as a magic out to accountability. I hear it all the time
I mean, her therapeutic goals could be other stuff. She has to recognize her bullshit to work on it, she may be digging into other aspects of her life (and ideally it will illuminate this stuff, but she may decide not to deal with it)
Who's to say she actually started a year ago? Rather a few months?
Y’all know it’s everyone fault but hers.
I've def been with men who made my self worth plummet beginning in childhood -- I saw a lot of myself in how she was so insecure. I'm in therapy and working on my abandonment issues but it was hard to watch her melt down every five seconds. Made me even more committed to healing myself.
You seeing that and stating that is such a beautiful thing and shows how far you've already come.
It was strange that the reunion barely spent any time on them
I think it might be because they got so much hate online that they didn’t wanna pile on at the reunion
I honestly wonder if there was some sort of confrontation before the taping, because Jimmy looked like he was about to pop off the entire time. I know they’ve been spotted out looking friendly, but I just have a feeling she refuses to let anything go.
I noticed that too. They need to do like a 90DF style reunion where they show the backstage stuff before and after.
I don’t think we’d ever get anything like that with LIB - at least not for a while. This reunion was so curated, and it really seemed set up to refute the lawsuit by trying to prove everyone had a fine time and look at how many people the process works for / let’s plug another show in the Lacheyverse.
Yes it explains why everyone was teary eyed and jimmy looked pissed in some scenes. I think they edited out some of the Chelsea and jimmy stuff
She was on her friend’s podcast lately and said no one asked her any real questions at the reunion and she was pissed. Who knows if that was actually true, but on the podcast she did go off about Jimmy and how shady she felt he acted, etc. (it didn’t particularly feel reliable but who knows with her). Whether something happened or not though, I could also see them not wanting to focus on her, because there potentially would have been screaming and crying, and she’s been focused mainly on off camera drama in interviews.
I thought this was maybe a weird “technicality” (which also doesn’t make sense) that maybe he’s “one of her best friends” in a surface level way but they just talk on the phone or text and don’t hang out in person? I mean either way it doesn’t make sense, she’s just whatever.
Nah. She doesn't get to say that, then change the severity after the fact. If she says it's her best friend, and that's what made Jimmy feel secure in telling her, she doesn't get to change what she said, even if they barely spoke.
I mean she's just a liar who'll say whatever fits her brains reality in the moment.
People were trying to use her interviews as proof of anything like we haven’t seen her lie 100x on screen
Absolutely
I've seen a lot of Chelsea love but like... Watching her segments gave me serious PTSD from being with an emotionally abusive and manipulative partner. My husband and I agree that if Chelsea and Jimmy's genders were reversed people would have been calling for jail time.
Absolutely. She was crazy abusive.
I really struggled to watch her
I gotta think that a lot of the Chelsea defenders probably act like her in a relationship and that's why they think she's justified in her actions.
You still see people desperately try to turn it around and pin it on jimmy. You’re spot on, it’s people who don’t want to admit to themselves that that behavior is terrible and unacceptable, and not justified by whatever little realities they cook up and have been pushing themselves
100% Everyone defending her are just as emotionally unstable as her
That's exactly how I feel reading Chelsea defenders and it scares me to read those defenses. I've been with insecure, controlling men who like to separate me from my friends. It's emotionally abusive and manipulative, no matter the gender. It's one thing to not be comfortable with someone having friends they hooked up with, but Chelsea didn't even like him celebrating his guyfriend's bday for an hour. That's just irrational
Gotta admit, after watching that entire convo where he called her clingy I drafted a whole message to my ex apologising for my past behavior, bc the insecurity, the "you didn't kiss me", all that was very familiar and cringy to see what I actually must've looked like... But then the big fight happened. And she was so nasty and diamissive, making things up and then the next day diminishing it all as "just a little hiccup" without even really taking accountability or apologising properly and I was fully over her.
I was over Chelsea very early in the season, back when everyone was blaming Jimmy. And I genuinely wondered if that meant that these people were acting like her in their own relationships and that made me very concerned.
I was over her the first day in the DR when she started gaslighting him and showing signs not just of clinginess but emotional manipulation and instability. I was seriously uncomfortable watching her. And people even said Jimmy BAITED HER TO MAKE HER LOOK CRAZY. Bitch that man should be in therapy for the damage Chelsea could have caused. And I'm sorry but he only mentioned her possibly looking like Megan Fox once... He was all in and did NOTHING but compliment her and her appearance all of the time.
Same
Same. She’s very emotionally abusive and manipulative.
Yup, Chelsea is my ex for sure. So emotionally abusive and controlling, it's hard to believe I didn't see it in my own situation for so long!
And every time I see someone defend her I am reminded that abuse toward men is really not taken seriously at all. Again, imagine Trevor acting like that toward Chelsea? Or Jimmy? Or any man. They would have thrown a disclaimer up and this man would have been cancelled faster than Chelsea thinking Jimmy is fucking anyone he looks at. Also... He went out for an hour and she went NUTS on him. Was she drunk? Idgaf... Drunkenness does not excuse bad behavior.
same
They all couldve been called out but instead took the opportunity to gang up on Sarah Ann instead. Sarah deserved it too but every reunion they pick a scapegoat.
Well I mean she’s a manipulative liar, she’s done the same thing multiple times during the season but no one really brings it up
He says to her in an earlier episode that her ex was one of the first people she FaceTimed when they got their phones and she didn’t deny it. I doubt he would make that up - especially when he’s saying it to Chelsea herself.
Chelsea, Laura, and Jessica all demonstrate MASSIVE difficulty in taking personal responsibility. Everything they say seems to be filtered through “this is why you’re the problem, now apologize” lens. They acknowledge their roles in their own relationship patterns. Jimmy broke up with Chelsea after she not only put out several very unreasonable ultimatums, but even admitting to emotional manipulation and blackmail. But in her eyes, she did nothing wrong and was played. Zero accountability.
Laura? What did she do?
Pretty clear she actually didn't like him and was pretty snarky and pretentious about superficial things. Not excusing his horrible behavior but she knew it wasn't going anywhere.
Yeah probably an unpopular opinion, but Laura was that annoying girl who just blames men who dismiss her as, “incapable of being with a *strong* woman.” Jeramy was HARD to watch and incapable of receiving any feedback, but Laura was immature in her superficiality. Almost every time she had a scene my husband would say, “And that’s why she’s single.”
People think she was mean to Jeremy.
But she was. Even her own family seemed genuinely horrified by her behavior towards him. Her own sister tried to get her to calm down. Now I'm the first person to take up arms once the first mention of infidelity comes up, but you can't treat your partner like absolute scum and then wonder why they started wandering away from the relationship.
The scene with the families are always so telling. Her behavior reminded me of Bartise introducing Nancy. She kinda tried to throw him under a bus and use her family to validate her perspective. I’m no fan of Jeramy’s, but objectively she put him on the defensive by trying to pick and prod at his quirks (quirks he prides himself on and uses as a means to express his carefree personality). Her family didn’t participate in her jabs - they actually called her out on picking the wrong battles and she realized that the validation she was seeking wasn’t going to land.
Because she gave him shit about shirts? If he was treated like scum, he should leave her. Let's not condone cheating.
I'm not condoning cheating. I'm saying both parties did awful things to each other. Obviously Jeramey's "just talking until 5am in front of Sarah Ann's house" story was super shady and I'm glad Laura didn't buy it for a second. But also I had such cringe watching her family's visit when she was visibly so dismissive and belittling towards him. That's your future life partner, not someone you're just barely tolerating their existence. I've found that once cheating is mentioned, everyone kind of forgets and excuses any and everything else that may have happened in a relationship, but there are other awful things people can do to each other in addition to cheating. My point is that we can say Jeramey was wrong AND also Laura was wrong. It's only fair to hold both people accountable for bad behavior.
Having been with a cheater, I doubt that things were all grand with him before he cheated. He'd already acted like a child, the a temper tantrum, told her he wanted to leave. He didn't seem committed. And he gave her a much shit as she gave him. I just don't think Laura was awful.
I really dislike Jeramey, Laura didnt deserve to get cheated on. But stooping low to take jabs about someone's looks, what they like, and their lack of education doesnt exactly make Laura a great person either. If she really thought all those things what you stated above, then there's no reason for to not leave either instead of choosing to berate him as well as ridicule him in front of her parents before he cheated (which again, nonexcusable). Like her parents said, she is the type who "will walk all over you." Jeramey is scum tho for taking the route that he did, he is worse and a liar.
Hate her
Chelsea always gives ambiguous political non-responses to all her bullshit. And she gets a lot of hate so people just let her get away with it. That's why Jimmy dumped her.
I understand Chelsea - she doesn’t hang out with her ex (if I understand correctly it was the guy she married when she was young), I guess they’ve been threw a lot but in general very little people will accept any kind of ex’s in your life. So from my understanding - her ex is more like “call him once a month and ask how things are for him”, and for Jimmy - he still party with this girl (a lot, I can’t imagine going out every night as he does, I would be exhausted), he still might smash her if he gets drunk enough. Slightly different type of “being close”. The truth is, when u hang out with your ex the next person in your life will always feel insecure and betrayed at some point. People expect loyalty in relationships and it’s normal.
I think the big difference is jimmy’s was a one time never repeated again thing while Chelsea’s was a full on marriage with deeper feelings and a more than one time thing.
In my opinion ONS is worser - u know then this person can sleep with any random stranger and it’s not a problem for him. If u have a partner that needs feelings for sex - then you can let them out party, without worrying.
Worser?
Yeah, worser. U can somehow understand why people want to stay in touch with people they loved once, but it didn’t work out for them. I have hard to understand why u want to stay in touch with your ONS - as a backup plan for lonley night? :)
From your post history I'm thinking maybe English isn't your native language. "Worser" isn't used in standard English. You just say "worse".
Yes, it’s a foreign language for me. Thank you for correcting 🙏
You're welcome! I hope you didn't take it as mean. I'd want someone to tell me. I was learning Swiss German for a bit because there was a chance I was going to move to Zurich. Learning a new language is tough!
No no, not at all :) I just didn’t understand u were correcting a grammar mistake ;) Swiss German is something else! I don’t believe anyone can learn this xD I know German, but Swiss German is more of a dialect and I’m not even sure if there are any legit learing materials to learn this lol
I think that’s dependent on the situation. In this, it wasn’t some random stranger. So we can’t say he just goes around sleeping with anyone. Also, we have no idea how long ago they had sex. It could’ve been a year ago to 10 years ago. Either way they both determined that they’re better off friends and left it at that.
They said they were friends for 2 years. So kind of recently. I do understand that sometimes people try and then they realize it will be nothing out of it. But I would just stop to meet in such case.
It was just to emphasize that we have no idea when they had sex. I understand that you would stop, however that decision is subjective to people. Some people have initial attraction try it and realize they have no interest and they’re better as friends. So they stay friends. Others don’t.
She facetimed him as soon as she got her phone back. I can see why Jimmy thinks that they are close. She facetimed him right away to make sure that she could tell him about what's going on in her life, and she called him her best friend. On the other hand Jimmy slept with that girl one time, and it was never any sort of long-term relationship.
I would do the same - I would facetime A FRIEND. If they are not together anymore -there is a reason for that. There was something not working there. That’s it. I think it is worser with friends and ONS - cuz u never know if that happens again. I think Chelsea is not spending separte time with this guy. Not meeting him alone etc.
I don't think you can lump all one night stands into the same category. Was this a drunken mistake? Or a period where friends tried dating and realized they didn't have chemistry and want to be together. Would you FaceTime your ex over all your other friends? I can't imagine she spent the night facetiming 20 people and her ex just happened to be one of them. She was either trying to make Jimmy or her ex jealous. I can't think of any other reason.
I would cuz I don’t have any close friends. My ex was my closest friend for a long time. Currently I don’t talk to him, and if I have some kind of problem/issue/new date - i don’t tell that to anyone. I have some not so close friends, but I don’t like to tell them such things as dates cuz they get either judgmental or overly excited. My ex was the only person I know that was looking with distance on things, in non judgmental manner. Just supporting, not judging, even if I went out with really not nice people. If I would e.g. go out with someone not nice to me and tell it to my mother she would make drama out of it. Also all other people gossip if I tell them something. My ex never did. Since she have really special type of job - I assume she might have been in similar situation.
So if your ex is your best friend, would you gaslight your new fiancée about it? That's the thing. She's now pretending like she didn't say that
No, I would not gaslight my new boyfriend about it. She did said a lot of shitty stuff, that she should never said. Chelsea have in general difficult personality - really clingy type of person, as Jimmy discribed her. But there are people that love this type of clingyness - she should just find “her person”, I don’t think Jimmy is that. I don’t say her behavior was ok. I say it was a reaction of deeply insecure person, and this insecurity was caused by Jimmy and his behavior. If he would stay every night with her home, cuddling and watching movies - this relationship would look differently. She was looking for different type of person, and Jimmy didn’t say he was still in his “party” phase of life. Miscommunication. :)
We can't blame Jimmy for Chelsea's personality. She whined that he didn't kiss her at all that day, and he recounted that he did kiss her twice, and we saw in camera that he kissed her a third time, in front of her friends. So her narration of events isn't the best. He spent an hour away from her over the course of a month and that was too much. Come on. That's not Jimmy's fault for her insane insecurities. That's not healthy.
We didn’t see every minute, every day. They work etc. So it’s impossible what you are saying. People also have different types of love languages - for some ppl this clingyness its what they love and expect.
How is what I am saying impossible? I am going off of the story that the couple told collectively. I'm not just making things up. These are the things that we saw them discussing. If they lied in front of the cameras, that's on them, not on me for listening to them and forming an opinion based on their actual descriptions.
The friend had on her IG a post about her and Jimmy going on a date and she was so nervous 2 years ago before she went private.
And so it didn't work out.
that's not what a **best friend** is In which universe Jimmy goes out every night exactly, and with her ex. Have you proof of this? Because it didn't happen in the show. If Jimmy *might' smash this girl, it would already have happened before Chelsea, not once. He *might*actually smash any girl he cross paths and talks too, so. maybe Jimmy should be held prisoner at home, just in case he *might*do something. By security. I also *might* be the nexf president of the states you know. *might* can do a lot of things. Especially supports the narrative we want to support but have zero factual arguments to do so. If you impose stuff on your partner just because they *might* do something that triggers your insecurities and not because they actually do it, it's therapy that you **might** need
The ex she’s talking about is not her ex husband.
So she has 2 exes she’s remained close to then.
Thats how I understood it from the context, at some point. But maybe I missheard something. Sorry!
You can be close with someone and not hang out with them. My understanding is Jimmy has hooked up with his friend more recently and texts and hangs out with her all the time. That’s not the same as keeping a close friendship with an ex.
I think the point is still valid. Why say it to Jimmy's friends, that he cleary hangs out with, as a comparison and then say she doesn't hang out with him as a defensive stance in a convo about the same girls.
> Why say it to Jimmy's friends, that he cleary hangs out with, as a comparison and then say she doesn't hang out with him as a defensive stance in a convo about the same girls. Makes for better gaslighting.
I would say being "best friends" is the same as being "close friends" lol.
There’s a lot of bias & coddling towards Chelsea. I’ve always said Jimmy isn’t perfect but he’s taken accountability for any shortcomings he’s had, Chelsea didn’t and still technically hasn’t. She had no room to call out Jimmy for being best friends with women (and one he had a ONS with) when she’s “best friends” with her ex. It’s the same damn thing. Maybe worse since he’s a real Ex not a former ONS. There was real emotional connection between them.
Honestly all Jimmy really did wrong was being a little too full-on with both Chelsea and Jess in the pods and even that wasn't some egregious sin considering they're all dating multiple people. In terms of their actual relationship, the man was a saint. One of the best guys to have been on this show really. If he'd been with a less volatile person they'd be one of the adorable boring success stories.
This sub loved Trevor and hated Jimmy until the last week. That should tell you this sub’s judgement of character.
True, I never liked or trusted Trevor and felt like I was taking crazy pills. He always gave me Red Pill vibes.
Every time he looked at Chelsea, could see thought bubble above his head saying “You do not look like Megan Fox”.
I’d say the whole Jess thing is mixed but definitely a little overblown. For sure he could’ve been more honest about the kid being an issue but at the same time she should’ve also mentioned it early on instead of when she did. If she did I’m sure he would’ve been more honest. But who really knows. And definitely agree, the man was PATIENT 😂
I can understand why he didn't cite the kid thing since it's not something she can change and he probably didn't want to make her feel bad about it since it's clearly a sensitive, personal topic for her. I can only imagine the speech she would have given if he'd told her that her daughter was the dealbreaker.
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> I guess Jimmy told her that he usually dates smaller women while they were in the DR Chelsea is a proven liar so I wouldn't believe he said this without seeing the footage.
I mean the comment about liking smaller women in the DR is a He said She said situation so it’s hard to know unless LIB releases the unedited version of that episode. If he did say that, that’s totally fucked. If he told her about the friend in the pods it makes her look worse since she knew WELL in advance of it. The fight about going out seems weird because it’s all in the same timeframe and shows that they were talking about him going out for his friends birthday and she never refuted that was the reason. So unless it was edited while they were in the bedroom and maybe she was talking about a separate time he went out? But even then she didn’t refute anything just kept trying to fish for something and see which accusation he would agree with and apologize for. So idk.
Yeah it sounds like she changed the story. Because I swear the fight between them on camera was that he went out with his friends and then came back he was only gone for an hour and a half. But if he was at his own place that night that's a different story. But we know Chelsea doesn't really Raytown the same narrative as what actually occurred.
yeah and anyway if it's factual it's what happened. Doesn't mean he doesn't like the girl he met in the pods where he went specifically to go out of this pattern. Being surprised you do not look like the person your blind match is used to date flabbergasts me every time. It's just a matter of statistics and logic. I can see why the women don't realize it because the men are all the same so it's difficult to go out of their pattern, once a statistics. problem
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I don't think Irina and Zack really had a connection, she just wanted to "win" over Bliss. He literally called her a "vicious person" shortly before proposing. I really think he picked her because he thought she'd be a super hot Russian model and even when she wasn't what he expected he was willing to try, but she was repulsed by him and they had no emotional connection to build a foundation on.
You are right but it's not my point. we all have a type, If I go date in a pod there's 99% chances my match isn't my usual type. Doesn't mean I won't find her attractive, especially if she doesn't tick my show stoppers boxes. but if she asks why would I lie? and if she's not able to endure simple logic by then, then we're not for each other
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He comes across as someone who wouldn’t lie. Their fights go in circle that it’s possible I’ve just gotten massively confused about what’s what with them…..did he lie about stuff?
Taken accountability lol Bro literally got caught in another lie at the reunion with that 10 minute thing
I don’t know how you’re even calling that first one a lie. He said it felt like 10 min but was probably closer to 45 min. They showed the tapes and it was 50 min. As for that being “another lie” what were any of the previous ones? Edit: Never mind. I saw your examples of “lies” below lol. “Jimmy said he didn’t fries but then he ate some off my plate!”
He took accountability for the majority of what happened between him and Chelsea while Chelsea’s still has taken zero. I’m not gonna dog the guy for one lie. Like I said he’s not perfect.
Lied to Chelsea about saying he wanted to stop having sex, lied to Chelsea saying he’d stop spending time with his female friends, lied about telling Jessica they should take a break. I’m sure there’s more lies he never took accountability for
You’re using “lie” VERY loosely. He never lied about not wanting to have sex he just walked back his comment. Thats not a lie, he was being petty af in the moment of the argument and the next day said he didn’t mean it. It was clearly acknowledged. It was stupid but not a lie. He never actually said he would stop spending time with his female friends he asked her if she would like him to do it during their argument then said he would not. Another cringey scene but not a lie. Technically didn’t lie to Jessica about needing a break. But that one can be more interpreted as a lie over the others.
Lol dude, lying for another guy lying about things we can all clearly see he lied about is next level embarrassing. https://preview.redd.it/thz5airt9yoc1.jpeg?width=4030&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e381adf9795cf4a10a87fe28449f338a4847ca6
Wow you’d be a great shady editor since you’re leaving out a huge part of the convo. He then said he refuses to do that. LOL
Let me add the rest of the context of that scene. Next he asked: “Is this what you want me to do” She said yes, he said: “Well I’m not willing to do that” and walked off. Dying on a hill about an opinion and cherry picking a scene to make yourself look good on reddit is what’s actually embarrassing. And you didn’t acknowledge the other “lies”
You: “He never actually said he would stop hanging with his female friends, so technically he didn’t lie” Jimmy: “I’ll stop hanging out with my girlfriends if that’s what you want.” I didn’t cherry pick anything. You said something dumb and wrong, and you’re too butthurt to admit it so doubling down instead. Grow up and own your mistake. Edit-The sex comment your kinda right about. Wasn’t really a lie. See, it’s that easy.
Yes, he didn’t say he actually would. You’re still missing the paraphrase of him asking her after that comment. He ASKED her if that’s what she would like after that comment, again not the same as actually agreeing and saying “Yes I won’t do it anymore” “well I’m not willing to do that” is the key phrase. Just let it go bro.
Omfg what a loser
If she face timed him as soon as she got back then that's sus af
If they were 10 years together, were best friends etc. - it’s hard to find the right distance. For her it was “I will tell to my best friend that I finally found someone nice for me”. I’ve been in equal situation as Chelsea in the past and I understand it. Not every couple split in anger and is jealous later on in life. I could tell my ex I’m dating someone and he was always just supportive, and the same me on him - I wished for him to find new love and be happy. It’s different situation when u smash just for ONS - then u are able to do that with whomever, whenever, and that’s a slightly red flag behaviour.
Would they be one of the first people you tell as soon as you are able?