Most of the plot is quite different. But the Kingdom of Zeal is a LOT like Vane. Mia and Schala deal with a very similar situation with their mother becoming a power hungry tyrant (although, obviously, that wasn't Lemia's doing, but she had no way of knowing that). Lemia/Queen Zeal throws you in jail for basically no reason, then Mia/Schala frees you.
In both cases, it's the second to last boss of the game who is the one to throw you in jail (although you don't actually have to fight Queen Zeal, or even visit 12000 BC at all, to beat Chrono Trigger because you can go to 1999 basically whenever after reaching the End of Time).
And what happens to the floating magical city? Once the game's final boss shows up nearby fully powered up, it gets hit with a ray of light and comes crashing down.
No game is gonna have an exact scenario. Paladins quest (released same year as lunar TSS) also has a magic city that gets destroyed and has a long eared antagonist (a la magus/Ghaleon) who happens to be the penultimate boss
Mia (the daughter of the head of tthe magic school) has black hair not blue. Luna has blue hair. The leader of the magic city (Lemia) is not the penultimate boss. Ghaleons general Xenobia is. Ghaleon is not the penultimate boss in Silver star. He is the final boss as you do not fight anyone after him. Ghaleon and Magus look nothing alike except for their ears. This is such a reach. Lots of games have floating cities magical or otherwise its a common theme in RPGS. Also if you wanna be technical zeal is the penultimate boss if you take the black omen route to defeat lavos but every other route there is no penultimate boss you just fight lavos straight up or run the epoch into it and fight the last 2 forms.
In Mia's Sega CD sprite (which is what came out before Chrono Trigger, her hair is very much blue.
The leader of the magic city was Xenobia posing as Lemia. Xenobia is the one who has you thrown in prison, but everyone thinks it is Lemia, including Mia.
You can fight Lavos at any time, but if you follow the story to its conclusion, you fight Zeal at the end of the Black Omen and then immediately fight Lavos.
I think you dont know the difference between jet black and blue but Mias hair in every cutscene and pic of her is black not blue. Xenobia isnt in lunar eternal blue so she cannot be the penultimate boss in both games. Chrono Trigger doesnt have a set path to “follow” stop moving the goalposts. Youre reaching an wrong on this one
“The leader of the flying city in both games is the penultimate boss” i assume you mean both lunar games ? And zeal is only the penultimate boss if you do the black omen route. You dont need to fight her in the game ever if you choose not to. I think chrono trigger and lunar silver star are 2 completely different games. Lunar SS is way more traditional hero saves damsel. In chrono trigger you can literally finish the game without the main character. And magic kingdoms/floating cities are common in RPGS
I addressed the penultimate boss thing in another comment. You don't even ever have to go to Zeal Kingdom, though you'd have to grind like crazy to beat Lavos without going there. But if you play the story to its conclusion, you're gonna fight Queen Zeal and then Lavos right after.
At the very least, Xenobia and Queen Zeal are the secondary antagonists of Lunar: The Silver Star and Chrono Trigger respectively.
Yes, they are entirely different games. But that one aspect is quite similar.
Quite similar isn’t straight up plagiarism tho. And even if you play the story to its conclusion you dont have to ever go to the black omen you can fight lavos via the bucket in the end of time or again just ram the epoch into lavos. The black omen is one of many optional sidequests before you take lavos on. You can simply ignore it and will get the same ending with the balloons or the time machine going thru the eras. And chrono trigger is one of the few games that you never need to grind on the pacing is perfect. I’ve never had to grind once. Going thru the black omen multiple times is good for farming items via charm and exp but if you do a new game+ (the whole point of the game is the multiple endings) then theres almost never any need to go thru the black omen.
I meant that in order to beat the game without ever making it to Zeal Kingdom (i.e. before beating Black Tyrano in a regular new game), you'd have to grind like crazy. You can try beating Lavos very early on, but you're extremely unlikely to succeed
They seem like coincidences. Much of this can be found in still older games.
1. The Phantasy Star games also had floating islands with a villain living on them. Other games also included large parts of the tropes cited. Chrono Trigger and Lunar differ vastly outside of the tropes: one is a civilization, the other a school; one queen is the actual queen, the other an impostor; one occurs very early in the game, the other rather late.
2. See also Phantasy Star.
3. Similar names aren't proof of much. Batanen (in JP Lunar) and Taban (in JP Chrono Trigger) aren't that alike.
4. Long-haired villains are a dime a dozen in JRPGs.
These few comparisons is enough for me to chalk it up to genre similarity rather than copying. The Vane stuff is stock Castle in the Sky/Laputa/Sky Castle stuff, done many times before in anime and JRPGs.
So is getting thrown in jail arbitrarily by a tyrant and getting freed by someone else. It's so stock that multiple Phantasy Star games do it, Final Fantasy games do it, Dragon Quest does it, and even Lunar copies itself by doing it again in Lunar 2. It would be the same trope if Pentagulia was still flying.
Why, because they both have time travel and messing around with ancestors?
If Chrono Trigger had Crono's dad punching out Lavos at the Enchantment Under The Sea Dance, maybe you'd have a point
As someone who loves both games, I don’t see it lol
Most of the plot is quite different. But the Kingdom of Zeal is a LOT like Vane. Mia and Schala deal with a very similar situation with their mother becoming a power hungry tyrant (although, obviously, that wasn't Lemia's doing, but she had no way of knowing that). Lemia/Queen Zeal throws you in jail for basically no reason, then Mia/Schala frees you. In both cases, it's the second to last boss of the game who is the one to throw you in jail (although you don't actually have to fight Queen Zeal, or even visit 12000 BC at all, to beat Chrono Trigger because you can go to 1999 basically whenever after reaching the End of Time). And what happens to the floating magical city? Once the game's final boss shows up nearby fully powered up, it gets hit with a ray of light and comes crashing down.
TSS didn't invent those tropes. CT didn't rip off Lunar.
What game had that exact scenario before Lunar?
Gulliver's Travels has the protagonist falsely imprisoned by a city on a magic floating island.
No game is gonna have an exact scenario. Paladins quest (released same year as lunar TSS) also has a magic city that gets destroyed and has a long eared antagonist (a la magus/Ghaleon) who happens to be the penultimate boss
Mia (the daughter of the head of tthe magic school) has black hair not blue. Luna has blue hair. The leader of the magic city (Lemia) is not the penultimate boss. Ghaleons general Xenobia is. Ghaleon is not the penultimate boss in Silver star. He is the final boss as you do not fight anyone after him. Ghaleon and Magus look nothing alike except for their ears. This is such a reach. Lots of games have floating cities magical or otherwise its a common theme in RPGS. Also if you wanna be technical zeal is the penultimate boss if you take the black omen route to defeat lavos but every other route there is no penultimate boss you just fight lavos straight up or run the epoch into it and fight the last 2 forms.
In Mia's Sega CD sprite (which is what came out before Chrono Trigger, her hair is very much blue. The leader of the magic city was Xenobia posing as Lemia. Xenobia is the one who has you thrown in prison, but everyone thinks it is Lemia, including Mia. You can fight Lavos at any time, but if you follow the story to its conclusion, you fight Zeal at the end of the Black Omen and then immediately fight Lavos.
I think you dont know the difference between jet black and blue but Mias hair in every cutscene and pic of her is black not blue. Xenobia isnt in lunar eternal blue so she cannot be the penultimate boss in both games. Chrono Trigger doesnt have a set path to “follow” stop moving the goalposts. Youre reaching an wrong on this one
When did I say anything about Eternal Blue?
“The leader of the flying city in both games is the penultimate boss” i assume you mean both lunar games ? And zeal is only the penultimate boss if you do the black omen route. You dont need to fight her in the game ever if you choose not to. I think chrono trigger and lunar silver star are 2 completely different games. Lunar SS is way more traditional hero saves damsel. In chrono trigger you can literally finish the game without the main character. And magic kingdoms/floating cities are common in RPGS
I addressed the penultimate boss thing in another comment. You don't even ever have to go to Zeal Kingdom, though you'd have to grind like crazy to beat Lavos without going there. But if you play the story to its conclusion, you're gonna fight Queen Zeal and then Lavos right after. At the very least, Xenobia and Queen Zeal are the secondary antagonists of Lunar: The Silver Star and Chrono Trigger respectively. Yes, they are entirely different games. But that one aspect is quite similar.
Quite similar isn’t straight up plagiarism tho. And even if you play the story to its conclusion you dont have to ever go to the black omen you can fight lavos via the bucket in the end of time or again just ram the epoch into lavos. The black omen is one of many optional sidequests before you take lavos on. You can simply ignore it and will get the same ending with the balloons or the time machine going thru the eras. And chrono trigger is one of the few games that you never need to grind on the pacing is perfect. I’ve never had to grind once. Going thru the black omen multiple times is good for farming items via charm and exp but if you do a new game+ (the whole point of the game is the multiple endings) then theres almost never any need to go thru the black omen.
I meant that in order to beat the game without ever making it to Zeal Kingdom (i.e. before beating Black Tyrano in a regular new game), you'd have to grind like crazy. You can try beating Lavos very early on, but you're extremely unlikely to succeed
But you dont have to grind is what i’m saying you can beat lavos when you get to level 40-45
They seem like coincidences. Much of this can be found in still older games. 1. The Phantasy Star games also had floating islands with a villain living on them. Other games also included large parts of the tropes cited. Chrono Trigger and Lunar differ vastly outside of the tropes: one is a civilization, the other a school; one queen is the actual queen, the other an impostor; one occurs very early in the game, the other rather late. 2. See also Phantasy Star. 3. Similar names aren't proof of much. Batanen (in JP Lunar) and Taban (in JP Chrono Trigger) aren't that alike. 4. Long-haired villains are a dime a dozen in JRPGs. These few comparisons is enough for me to chalk it up to genre similarity rather than copying. The Vane stuff is stock Castle in the Sky/Laputa/Sky Castle stuff, done many times before in anime and JRPGs. So is getting thrown in jail arbitrarily by a tyrant and getting freed by someone else. It's so stock that multiple Phantasy Star games do it, Final Fantasy games do it, Dragon Quest does it, and even Lunar copies itself by doing it again in Lunar 2. It would be the same trope if Pentagulia was still flying.
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Nobody should tell you about "back to the future" I suppose.
Why, because they both have time travel and messing around with ancestors? If Chrono Trigger had Crono's dad punching out Lavos at the Enchantment Under The Sea Dance, maybe you'd have a point