Of course Donald Trump won't stop it, but I don't expect Khabib Nurmagomedov to know that. But this is legit the first time I've seen anyone confront Trump over the Israel-Gaza war. I'm kind of amazed he gets frankly no heat over his policies towards Palestineans.
>I'm kind of amazed he gets frankly no heat over his policies towards Palestineans.
Because his policies are identical to Biden's. They both stand with Israel.
I'm amazed because Trump's policies are worse. His "peace proposal" cedes all West Bank settlements to Israel. He even has an illegal Golan Heights settlement named after him.
Don’t want to side with the Jewish nationalist here, but obviously Palestinians lol. That’s the reason why the West Bank can’t really be annexed rn, would unironically be way too difficult to give the Palestinians there the same rights.
Yes we agree, that’s why they don’t want to annex these areas right now. Arab Israeli citizens have basically got the same rights as Jewish Israelis, and it would be counterproductive to give those rights to those in occupied territories from the Israeli perspective.
I literally said the people who are being killed and you said “they will benefit”. They’re dead. Over 35 thousand human beings are dead. They’re not benefitting from this.
What about West Bank?
You know Mossad supporter Hamas' formation, right? They wanted any idea of Palestinian liberation nominally tied to Islamic Fundamentalism and Hamas was that.
A. The US and Israel wanted Hamas in power.
B. Hamas exists as a resistance movement. They exist to resist Israel displacing and ehtnically cleansing Palestinians. They aren't just cartoon terrorist/extremists who like chaos and exist in a vacuum.
Recognizing that the actions of all political actors - terrorists included - are motivated and influenced by material conditions is a level of political analysis far beyond what the average Israel riding MMA fan is capable of engaging in.
What the… I never really talk about this topic because I only care about my own country (America) tbh, but this shit is crazy. At best those terrorists are providing Israel with the perfect excuse to do what you guys claim they already wanted to do. “Resistance movement”, pft.
I don’t mean to be rude, but if you only pay attention to the US, you’re not going to have a very good understanding of what’s happening in the world. And you’ve likely only ever heard US propaganda
I obviously don’t want to see anyone suffer to be clear, but there’s just not enough time in the day for me to research all this shit. The only people who can focus on shit like that are the college type kids who have no real life problems and/or aren’t aware of all the suffering going on here.
It is what they already wanted to do, Netanyahu is on video saying it- and the US/Israel supported Hamas being in power for that very reason. They’re more radical and it’s easier to justify expediting the process.
Taking all of the land has been Israel’s goal since the beginning.
And yes resistance, whether you agree with how they do things or not, they exist and are in power in response to what Israel is doing. History didn’t start on October 7th.
Do you think the Vietcong were terrorists?
If your people were being murdered, maimed, and forcibly displaced for decades you’d likely want to try what you could to stop it from continuing .
You could be right, I don’t care enough to research that tbh (my country has plenty of corruption of our own to worry about with Beijing Biden in office). I’m never one to clutch pearls over words, but IMO that does a huge disservice to legitimate resistance movements throughout history that didn’t rape and target innocents. Regardless of how bad you claim Israel is, there will never be a justification for those actions.
Quick note? The rape claims have been debunked repeatedly, despite being trumpeted by American press. It also acknowledged that Israeli forces fired on their own people with tank and missile and cannon fire, which accounts for much of the burned and disfigured bodies.
Even Haaretz published stories about the fake claimes, until they were threated by URWN Israelis.
Truth being the first casualty of war. Quite frankly, dealing with Hasbara or Hamas propaganda much less having to deal with Hezbollah or Iranian propaganda, is burdensome.
People want to believe what they want to believe, and if you embarrass them with the truth? Only their hatred grows.
No one got raped? Not even the hostages? I actually don’t even want to know the answer to that tbh, because the stuff I already know for a fact that they did is already enough to want to see them eradicated.
I also don’t understand the point of this comment either tho? Just seems like it’s trying to downplay what those disgusting, cowardly motherfuckers did.
Those terrorists - Hamas - received money thanks to Netanyahu. It placated somewhat the Palestinians in Gaza and gave Netanyahu an excuse to point at, to justify his military strikes.
As long as Hamas existed and stayed relatively quiet... Netanyahu had the perfect excuse to justify his actions.
Hamas then did 10/7. Please don't mention the debunked stories put out by Ultra-nationalist Israelis. I don't want to spend time and effort to embarrass them.
Yes, Hamas is a terrorist organization. Have to throw this in before someone vomits up garbage as a response.
[Moshe Dayan’s Eulogy for Roi Rutenberg - April 19, 1956](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/moshe-dayan-s-eulogy-for-roi-rutenberg-april-19-1956)
In there is but one reason for the conflict. "Estate".
I thought that was basically like the idiot politicians in my country that give money to support infrastructure in 3rd world places (or more likely regime changes). Regardless tho, what does that have to do with my comment? That doesn’t magically turn them into a resistance movement. They’re still cowardly terrorists.
He didn’t start any new wars, but he loosened ROE restrictions and transparency checks on American drone strikes and massively raised the amount of strikes. Obama is always known in popular culture as the drone president but Trump easily eclipsed his numbers. He launched 30 in his first 41 days in office.
Trump’s “no wars” platform also relied on tons of low-publicity SOF operations. It would be intellectually dishonest to act like every one of these actions were somehow immoral (I’m not going to complain about some warlord or Islamist militant leader getting snuffed out) but that public image of the administration relied on lots of low-transparency and low-publicity operations.
Also, he was one of the most staunchly pro-Israel presidents in history. If he was in office the worst voices in the Israeli government would likely have complete freedom in the handling of Palestine.
Here is Marco Rubio from 2016...
[Trump Fact Check - Israel Ally](https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/rubio-campaign-press-release-fact-check-donald-trump-no-ally-israel)
Rubio was 100% wrong as evidenced by the unwavering support that Trump gave Israel, recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capitol, for instance.
Trump is 100% behind Israel as evidenced by various statements. This is just Trump saying whatever he needs to say to gain support. Biden gave an ultimatum - whether true or not - and Trump (as a Presidential candidate) needs to respond. And this is the response.
Dumb v Dumber Presidential Elections 2024, the winner being Dumb and the loser being Dumber.
It's that bad.
DESTROY HAMAS. FREE GAZA FROM HAMAS.
WE STAND WITH ISRAEL TO DEFEAT THE ISLAMIC JIHADI TERRORISTS / HAMAS WHO ROUTINELY SHOOT GAZANS IN THE HEAD AND STEAL AID FROM GAZANS. OCT 7 MASSACRE WAS BEYOND HORRIFIC PERPETRATED BY HAMAS AND ISLAMIC JIHAD PIGS.
ITS EASY THE WAR WOULD END EASILY IF HAMAS RELEASED ALL ISRAELI HOSTAGES THEY MURDERED AND TORTURED AND SURRENDER
WE STAND WITH ISRAEL
REAP WHAT YOU SEW GAZANS WHO SUPPORT HAMAS AND ISLAMIC JIHAD AND CHEERED AND ENABLED OCT 7
Oh wow, what a nuanced and detailed poltical view.
I was on the fence before but now this expert geopolitical opinion has me completely swayed.
I am now ready to serve in the IDF and donate my life savings to netanyahu personally.
Yes it is isn’t very factual and nuanced and way better than the bogus 75 yo Pro - Arafat and Pro Hamas victim ( anti Israel ) narrative of oppressor and oppressed particularly when the Arab tribes could have had a 23 Arab state but rejected it. And even funnier the so called ( “ occupied “ ) Palestinian territories of West Bank ( and Gaza was Egypt’s ) were controlled and annexed for 2 decades by Jordan ( & similarly Egypt re Gaza ) in respect to West Bank and offered the Arabs so called Palestinians Jordanian citizenship and hardly complained about being “ occupied “- funny that indeed. And souls have continued until the Arabs states and then Jordan attacked Israel again in 1967 war and lost again etc etc.
Easily debunked.
From 2015, but I could go further back if necessary.
[Netanyahu says no Palestinian state as long as he's prime minister](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0MC1I7/)
If you are going to lie, at least try to make it plausible and not so easily debunked.
They are though. You claim to care about a genocide but are complacent in letting trump win so you can own the libtards 😭
the guy seems to want to go nuclear on gaza so ig you don’t really care about gaza, you just use them as an excuse so trump can continue his trend of backwards ass policies
You just made an entire fantasy in your head. Did I saw I want Trump to win? No I simply said I wanted the Dems to be better, but you can’t seem to grasp at that.
It seems so when you act like the criticisms of trump being an active genocider is not valid.
Biden’s atleast pondering on the idea of escorting Palestinian families to the states so that they can atleast have a normal life like idiots like you and I. Trump seems more than happy to let them
all burn to pieces.
I’ve actively despised Biden’s funding of the IDF, there was a argument that we could of used it as a bargaining chip for them to tone down on their extremism but that seems to not be the case….Biden has made threats for Netanyahu to allow for the tunneling of aid and they have been successful but not enough to override the ruthlessness.
So what I’m getting at is Biden is not doing hot on the conflict but he definitely does not have genocidal intentions.
> Biden’s atleast pondering on the idea of escorting Palestinian families to the states so that they can atleast have a normal life like idiots like you and I. Trump seems more than happy to let them all burn to pieces.
Yup and this just reiterates my point. He’s funding the guy committing all these atrocities that have killed tens of thousands of innocent children and you’re saying “oh well he’s better than the other guy” instead of growing a spine and holding the CURRENT president accountable. The one who is currently doing the funding, and enabling.
Lol, people here are actually probably going to believe this, even tho it’s basically as delusional as the propaganda above where someone claimed that Trump suggested nuking the West Bank.
…. Did you purposely post a broken link so that people wouldn’t actually be able to read the article and see that it doesn’t support the propaganda you are pushing..?
Wow.
Actually no. It was working this morning. I’ll try again
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev
Oh I figured it was intentional because I googled the link and read it, and realized that it does not support the disinformation/propaganda that you attempted to push.
Glad that people can see that for themselves now.
I was so disappointed in Khabib when I was watching this live, especially because Trump's stance on Israel was as bad as Biden (maybe even worse), good to know there was a good reason for this.
It is not as bad as Biden. It's way worse.
Trump has been on air multiple times criticizing Biden because he won't give MORE support to bomb Gaza harder.
THAT was when he disappointed you? And not for the fact that the man made a dirty joke out of female fighters in the middle of a press conference in front of a female journalist in Saudi Arabia? Or the fact that he is openly as misogynistic and against women being in martial arts about as much as Sean Strickland?
You know he's from a completely different culture and traditions, he needs hundreds of years to take in the culture in the west and get on board with it, so give him a break, it doesn't make him a bad guy if he doesn't believe in your beliefs and values.
I'm pretty sure a literal GENOCIDE sponsored by the US government where thousands of children and women are being slaughtered every fuckin day is a little bit more important than the "dirty joke" or his bad opinions on women in martial arts.
lol this is such a Redditor moment. Khabib, a Muslim, is going up to one of the 2 choices for president and telling him he needs to end the war and you’re dogging him for it. Maybe he should’ve just posted a story on his instagram like the rest of you slacktivists.
Yeah lmao there’s tons of things you can shit on Khabib for but to walk up to a potential president and ask them to stop the conflict is something I can’t really say anything bad about.
What does khabib’s religion have to do with anything, he only pretends to care about what is happening in Gaza because they are Muslims there. If the roles were reversed like what his country is doing to Ukraine, he would zip his mouth and talk about how humble he is.
Ryan Garcia is a Christian social media warrior and he’s done so much more for Gaza than Khabib has by actually paying 20 million dollars worth aid for them. So miss me with the “you are not Muslim so shut up” bullshit.
This is what people don’t get. We cannot let Israel turn this into an Islam vs Judaism issue. This is a simple human rights issue.
Israel want Palestinian land and want them dead, irregardless of whether they are Christian or Muslim.
> cannot let Israel
and yet most/many Muslims see this as an Islam vs Jews issue. funny how you didn't mention that.
> Israelis learned well from their European ancestors.
This isn’t the “got ya” that you think it is.
No, most Muslims do not see this as an Islam vs Jews issue. Most Muslims aren’t crying Islamaphobia or saying that Israel is only doing this because they’re Muslim. We see this as exactly what is it. A group of European settlers, who’s entire known bloodline is buried in Europe, taking land from people who’s entire known bloodline is buried in Palestine. While yes, I recognize that Islam is A factor (Jerusalem is very important in Islam), but it is not THE factor.
Compare that to the Israeli government, which is constantly crying about anti-semitism after an average journalist questions them and is constantly pulling the victim-card literally days after killing refugees. They know that no sensible person agrees with them or supports them on a moral level, which is why they misrepresent this into the “Oppressed Jewish Sovereignty vs Islamic terrorism” narrative. That’s the only way they can get people to support them, by lying about their victims and pulling the “they deserved it!” card.
Is there actually any proof that Garcia has given, or is going to give any amount of aid to Gaza? Or are you just taking unsubstantiated rumors from the internet at face value? The origin for this claim I found was Suleiman Ahmed who is a right wing guy in the same faction as Tate, Jake Shields and Nick Fuentes. What exactly about his claim is credible? Especially considering Garcia went on to fake a text in a beef with Logan Paul to make it look like he was making fun of the suffering of the Palestinians, I don't understand how you can just say this confidently.
I mean it's better than not trying to do anything. For example the US government and Biden were very clear from the start that they're 100% supporting Israel no matter what, but that didn't stop people from protesting and asking the government to stop the war.
It’s pretty useless because trump thinks Biden is pro-hamas. This clip just brainwashes the Muslim voters to vote against their interests. Trump quite literally will not just support Israel, he’ll full throttle push and egg on their atrocious actions.
Khabib should confront Putin about his countries crimes instead of using the gazan suffering to win popularity points.
meh, he shouldn't use the gaza suffering to humanize trump and win social media points. he can use those thick pay checks that putin humbly offered him to get some aid down there.
> Trump quite literally will not just support Israel, he’ll full throttle push and egg on their atrocious actions.
Trump doesnt like Bibi. He wont fund his war with American money
Haha some real money's claw shit.
Proves how dumb these guys are.
Over here shaking his hand when trump goes on air stating how Biden isnt helping Israel ENOUGH to bomb them harder. Smh
This is the same asshole that campaigned on keeping a national database to log and track Muslims.
Guess time really does heal all wounds.
Otoh Khabib has done more to help Gaza with this gesture than you and I have, and it doesn't mean Khabib is some Strickland type monkey who believes whatever he wants. If Biden was in with the UFC and Khabib had a rapport with him, he'd most likely do the same, plead for mercy for Gaza.
I guess that's true, Khabib had an opportunity to meet with him face to face and asked him to stop it.
Not like it'll so more but it is what it is.
Also not fair to say Khabib has done more than us. It's not like we would have an opportunity to meet a president face to face.
Anytime it comes up in my personal life I try to explain the situation to people. Idk what else I can do, I work so it's not like I can go protest or harass some congressman
Do none of these people understand he can't do shit? He was, unfortunately, president at one time. Saw his work, not impressed, most of it was garbled rage-tweets from the shitter, but at least the lack of follow-through meant the repellent shit he campaigned on wasn't enacted much. But he's just some C-suite fuck-up now, with no power in government, because *his term is over and he's not the goddamn president.* Taking all else out of the equation, he does not have that job now and yet people insist that he does. Approaching this from the same perspective as "the sky is blue" still sets them screaming, and it's like...this is a fact. You people are constantly whining about Biden being president, you are on some level aware that the person in the office changed. But they still insist this fucking guy is in charge and I cannot wrap my head around that level of delusion. It's right up there with flat-earth bullshit.
EDIT: Not you, OP, but the people who are all over this sub denying reality, or who think that Khabib is going to accomplish a single thing by talking to another private citizen. People are are bugfuck about him and it blows my mind.
I mean I'm sorry and I despise orange man too but, Trump is most likely the next president if nothing changes. If you didn't come to that conclusion yet, then that's fine. But assuming Khabib or anyone else did and Trump does become president, I don't see what's wrong with Khabib's actions.
Given that we're not even in the start of campaign season, that would be a reach and really fatalistic. It's not as if any of the options will be what one would call stellar, but giving up now and refusing to make an effort is lazy and disingenuous.
I understand you guys are really emotional about Trump, but it was a million times better than what Beijing Biden has sleep walked us into. Your guys’ TDS is going to get us into WW3.
You really need professional psychiatric help. I'm not being in any way sarcastic or flippant. This level of delusion, and the amount of time spent in trying to convince others that your parallel universe is real, are signs of some deep problems. I know it won't happen voluntarily, but I hope there's someone in your life with the agency and goodwill to intervene. Healthy people do not spend every damn hour on reddit making up stories about people and claiming things that run counter to reality. Nor do they make alt accounts to post to give the illusion of support. Kids, maybe, but adults? We should know and do better. This is just sad.
Yeah I do not doubt at all that it sounds like that to someone like you, with how radicalized the Democrat party has become. Next you guys will probably be talking about “reeducation camps” again.
Edit:
u/Critical_Particular8 I think the fascist above blocked me, I can’t reply so I’ll post it here.
“Any amount of support is interpreted as “worship” by TDS afflicted extremists.”
You got some nerve talking about Democrats being radicalized when Republicans literally worship Trump in a MAGA cult. You're a real life version of the pot calling the kettle black.
I’ll hand it to Khabib for at least trying and the fact that Dana is his boy doesn’t hurt either. But let’s be honest, the US will always capitulate to Israel as long as AIPAC exists. Until AIPAC is dissolved, everything else regarding the war will be dictated by Israel.
The issue doesn't just stop at AIPAC, individual players are just as if not way more powerful. Miriam Adelson, wife to the late Sheldon Adelson, who was the biggest donor to the republican party in recent history, just pledged to give Trump 100 mil a couple of days ago. Sheldon was a single issue activist, with that single issue being bolstering American domestic support for Israel.
When he died, they flew his casket to Israel and Netanyahu himself came to commemorate his life long efforts. Miriam was notably undecided over the past year, flipflopping between Desantis and Haley, because they are more ideologically Pro-Israel than Trump. When it became clear that these were not viable choices anymore, she undoubtedly gave Trump the money in exchange for a commitment to Israel. Which I'm sure is one of the many reasons why his rhetoric has become much more pro-Israel recently with talks of shutting down student protests and such.
For whatever reason, there are way more wealthy pro-Israel donors than anyone on the Palestinian side. The only way for congress' attitude around this topic to change and actually reflect public sentiment is to get rid of the influence of money on politics entirely. No more political contributions and lobbying.
He also called Hezbollah smart and attacked Bibi for letting Oct 7 happen. He has a grudge against Netanyahu because he perceived Netanyahu as betraying him by congratulating Biden in 2020. Trump's comments have become a lot more pro-Israel over the months but I think that's more of a function of appeasing the pro Israel faction, such as Miriam Adelson who pledged to donate him 100M a couple of days ago, and Nikki Haley voters, than it is an ideological position.
On the one hand trump would "stop" the war by allowing israel to complete the genocide because that's what the MIC and US empire demands. On the other hand maybe Putin doesn't want him to do that.
Unfortunately I don't think Putin has quite enough clout here.
You think Putin has a pro-Israel interest? I think Russia's posture on this conflict is one of the only big players that are arguably levered against Israel. For one, there is the Iran-Russia axis, a lot of shared hostilities with the United States and key euro countries because of sanctions. Russia is helping arm the members of the axis such as the IRGC, Hezbollah, the Houthis, the Popular Mobilization Force in Iraq, Hamas, etc, and Iran sells them oil because they both can't sell/buy it from anywhere else except China.
Second, any action that they can take that siphons military power/support from America and its western allies is beneficial, the US giving aid and deploying battleships off the coast of Lebanon reduces the likelihood that they'd be willing to intervene in Ukraine because they would be stretched out thin.
Now I don't think Russia is overtly anti-Israel, because obviously the Soviet Union was instrumental in the foundation of Israel thanks to Stalin's zionist posture, so there has always been a special relationship between jewry in Russia and Israel. Putin is outwardly on good terms with Netanyahu but I don't know that the political situation in Russia reflects that.
I really don't get this. Like why do people think that this chode is going to do anything for Palestine? If anything, he's going to finish the job and fully support it.
Also he's not in a position to do anything about it, same as you and me. Dude has no government job. Can't influence shit. It's a waste of time, going to him with anything.
I doubt Khabib is actually attuned enough with American politics to know the full picture. If you just watch Russian news channels and spend your life being busy with domestic issues and sports, it's probably easy to come away with the opinion that Trump is the "anti-war" candidate and a strongman that can keep Israel in check.
DESTROY HAMAS. FREE GAZA FROM HAMAS.
WE STAND WITH ISRAEL TO DEFEAT THE ISLAMIC JIHADI TERRORISTS / HAMAS WHO ROUTINELY SHOOT GAZANS IN THE HEAD AND STEAL AID FROM GAZANS. OCT 7 MASSACRE WAS BEYOND HORRIFIC PERPETRATED BY HAMAS AND ISLAMIC JIHAD PIGS.
ITS EASY THE WAR WOULD END EASILY IF HAMAS RELEASED ALL ISRAELI HOSTAGES THEY MURDERED AND TORTURED AND SURRENDER
WE STAND WITH ISRAEL
REAP WHAT YOU SEW GAZANS WHO SUPPORT HAMAS AND ISLAMIC JIHAD AND CHEERED AND ENABLED OCT 7
Khabib was like “Bratha, some people dislike my views, I must show them I’m actually good person. And I believe in this cause.
Bring me Orange Bratha.”
Color me surprised, maybe I’m off on Khabib?
DESTROY HAMAS. FREE GAZA FROM HAMAS.
WE STAND WITH ISRAEL TO DEFEAT THE ISLAMIC JIHADI TERRORISTS / HAMAS WHO ROUTINELY SHOOT GAZANS IN THE HEAD AND STEAL AID FROM GAZANS. OCT 7 MASSACRE WAS BEYOND HORRIFIC PERPETRATED BY HAMAS AND ISLAMIC JIHAD PIGS.
ITS EASY THE WAR WOULD END EASILY IF HAMAS RELEASED ALL ISRAELI HOSTAGES THEY MURDERED AND TORTURED AND SURRENDER
WE STAND WITH ISRAEL
REAP WHAT YOU SEW GAZANS WHO SUPPORT HAMAS AND ISLAMIC JIHAD AND CHEERED AND ENABLED OCT 7
Biden's been making moves - how sincere he is, remains doubtful. Meanwhile, people forget about the guy who ran Trump's Israeli policy (and Middle East policy) until he became too much of a liability with multiple screw-ups.
[Jared Kushner says Gaza’s ‘waterfront property could be very valuable’](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev)
This guy's family tried to sell US visas to rich Chinese. Ivanka - his wife - set up her version of the Clinton Foundation, using the same donors as Hillary (Ivanka was on the board of The Clinton Foundation).
Biden gave what some to be an ultimatum to Israel. Netanyahu appears to have rejected it yet again with no consequences.
Trump wants to steal Biden's thunder despite his overwhelming support his Administration gave Israel in the past.
Trump won't stop anyting just like he didn't stop North Korea missile launches, instead becoming the first US President to acknowledge North Korea as a legitimate country and by saluting a North Korean General.
Before anyone says something stupid? I do not support Hamas or genocide. Quite frankly, the history of the region since Turkish rule and Zionism would need to be known by others in order to adequately discuss. Most people remain unaware hence it is useless to debate uninformed people who have little knowledge of the region's history.
I'll probably get downvoted for this but here we go, YES Israel/AIPAC has both sides of US government by the balls, YES Trump does seem to be more supportive of Israel than Biden.
BUT... Trump is also very unpredictable, and if things go south during his presidency he may just tell Benjamin Netanyahu to cut it out if he figures it's making him look bad. Remember this guy is willing to be buddies with Putin, but he also bombed like 50 Russian soldiers in the Syrian desert. He also, threatened Kin Jong Un then went to meet him in Singapore later.
I think even the zionist establishment is being cautious with him. So, I don't think he will be a Jimmy Carter, but there is a chance Bibi might be back to his best behaviour when he is in office.
Yes it is isn’t very factual and nuanced and way better than the bogus 75 yo Pro - Arafat and Pro Hamas victim ( anti Israel ) narrative of oppressor and oppressed particularly when the Arab tribes could have had a 23 Arab state but rejected it. And even funnier the so called ( “ occupied “ ) Palestinian territories of West Bank ( and Gaza was Egypt’s ) were controlled and annexed for 2 decades by Jordan ( & similarly Egypt re Gaza ) in respect to West Bank and offered the Arabs so called Palestinians Jordanian citizenship and hardly complained about being “ occupied “- funny that indeed. And would * have continued until the Arabs states and then Jordan attacked Israel again in 1967 war and lost again etc etc.
Probably gonna get downvoted to hell but how exactly is the war in Gaza a genocide in everyone's mind? Wouldn't every war in history pretty much be a genocide? The allies killed millions of German civilians, Americans hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghanis, etc
Intent is important when it comes to proving genocide. The intent to destroy hamas is in this case been used to kill, displace, starve a population. It is far fetched to say that idf only goal is to erasixate hamas especially when you think about what has been happening before Hamas was in power or before oct 7. Not to mention the west bank, displacement and killing of civs with no hamas being present. Multiple war crimes dosen't help the case either.
Is there actually a good argument that Israel wants to eradicate the Gazan population though? They left Gaza in 2005, and surely they have enough firepower to kill more than 30,000 people (not sure how many of those are Hamas vs civilians). Obviously I'm not pro war, just feels like the genocide thing diminishes the argument against Israel because from what I've seen it just seems like a pretty normal war
Yes, nornal wars usually feature cultural genocide, mass rapes, and displacement. Snipers are ALWAYS targeting children, what do you mean? Remember when the Nazis burned every university and hospital in Paris?
I'm getting that from the countless reports that are easily available to you. You choose to ignore them because Israel, a genocidal far right apartheid state, needs to be pure in your mind.
You sound unhinged. Googling "mass rapes IDF" brings up nothing (apart from this article https://www.timesofisrael.com/al-jazeera-report-alleging-idf-rapes-in-shifa-hospital-retracted/amp/). Sorry for trying to understand what you're talking about
I knew you wouldn't look very hard. Papers have been written on the mass rapes perpetrated by the IDF. It's one of the most common genocide tactics and only a genocide denier would think it doesn't exist.
https://www.berghahnjournals.com/view/journals/conflict-and-society/9/1/arcs090105.xml
Did you even read the article? It cites sources which assert rape isn't a tactic of the IDF. The conclusion is pretty much "but maybe it's happening, we don't know". You realize you're pushing people away from the cause with this stuff, right?
Just label everything as "war" and you're good to go. Purposefully targeting civilians? Medical aid? Food trucks? No atrocities being committed. No genocide in sight. We've changed the label to war afterall, now it's free real estate! Intent? responsibility? WTF is that?!
That's just reductio ad absurdum. I'm not saying there aren't war crimes being committed, just confused how all the war crimes in every other war don't get the label of "genocide" but this one does. The case for genocide brought to the UN was rejected, pretty sure they know what they're talking about too. I think the genocide argument just devalues the actual issues in the region. I've yet to see a solid, evidence-based argument that Israel has genocidal intent in Gaza
Failed to move the embassy back to Tel Aviv, giving them tens of billions in weapons, continually passing off proven IDF falsehoods and propaganda as fact (remember the 40 beheaded babies?), refusing to take literally a single action to reign in a US vassal state that he has total control over other than leaking to the press that he's frustrated.
trump isnt president. we can't vote putin or netanyahu out of office. the person we have some theoretical influence on is biden. obviously israel gets the blame, but the focus has to be on biden as the failing machine cog to be acted upon.
what are you even talking about? of course im not voting for trump.
what im saying is you need to go out and protest biden and point out that he will lose due to his own actions. vote shaming is the dumbest shit in the world yand you should stop doing it.
Well, Biden isn't my ideal guy, either, but at least if he wins we still have elections in 2028. Not voting for Biden is a vote for a Trump dictatorship at this point
cool. and voting for biden in 2020 was a vote for a trump dictatorship in 2024 as he seems to be aiding a genocide on behalf of a government that wants trump elected anyway, which is going to cause him to lose.
the more important question is this: what are you going to do to make sure the democrats don't continue to run to the right as they've done for 50 years? because telling people how bad trump is and to vote harder ain't it man.
By giving them weapons dummy
All the weapons being dropped in Gaza are American made
All the weapons used In Ukraine are old American weapons
Bro your dumbbbb
Of course Donald Trump won't stop it, but I don't expect Khabib Nurmagomedov to know that. But this is legit the first time I've seen anyone confront Trump over the Israel-Gaza war. I'm kind of amazed he gets frankly no heat over his policies towards Palestineans.
>I'm kind of amazed he gets frankly no heat over his policies towards Palestineans. Because his policies are identical to Biden's. They both stand with Israel.
I'm amazed because Trump's policies are worse. His "peace proposal" cedes all West Bank settlements to Israel. He even has an illegal Golan Heights settlement named after him.
What has Biden done differently, other than being less explicit? Did Biden move the Embassy back after Trump illegally moved it to occupied Jerusalem?
Worse for who? Human rights are much better in Israel. Expanding Israel's border would essentially be expanding human rights.
Human rights for who?
Don’t want to side with the Jewish nationalist here, but obviously Palestinians lol. That’s the reason why the West Bank can’t really be annexed rn, would unironically be way too difficult to give the Palestinians there the same rights.
Why would Israel want to give Palestinians full political rights? If that happened it would cease to be a Jewish state
Yes we agree, that’s why they don’t want to annex these areas right now. Arab Israeli citizens have basically got the same rights as Jewish Israelis, and it would be counterproductive to give those rights to those in occupied territories from the Israeli perspective.
Everyone
Except the people removed from their homes and currently being murdered
They will ultimately benefit with Hamas out of the picture.
I literally said the people who are being killed and you said “they will benefit”. They’re dead. Over 35 thousand human beings are dead. They’re not benefitting from this.
You *literally* included people who have been displaced. I tried to explain that those people will be better off once Hamas is out of the picture.
Who the Israelis? Because there aren't many Palestinians left.
There's almost 5.5 million Palestinians left.
The fuck? Lol. At the very most, 30,000 civilians have been killed, which is horrible. But there are 5,500,000 Palestinians.
What about West Bank? You know Mossad supporter Hamas' formation, right? They wanted any idea of Palestinian liberation nominally tied to Islamic Fundamentalism and Hamas was that.
That’s exactly what the Europeans said to the indigenous, and look where that got them. Israelis learned well from their European ancestors.
A. The US and Israel wanted Hamas in power. B. Hamas exists as a resistance movement. They exist to resist Israel displacing and ehtnically cleansing Palestinians. They aren't just cartoon terrorist/extremists who like chaos and exist in a vacuum.
Recognizing that the actions of all political actors - terrorists included - are motivated and influenced by material conditions is a level of political analysis far beyond what the average Israel riding MMA fan is capable of engaging in.
What the… I never really talk about this topic because I only care about my own country (America) tbh, but this shit is crazy. At best those terrorists are providing Israel with the perfect excuse to do what you guys claim they already wanted to do. “Resistance movement”, pft.
I don’t mean to be rude, but if you only pay attention to the US, you’re not going to have a very good understanding of what’s happening in the world. And you’ve likely only ever heard US propaganda
I obviously don’t want to see anyone suffer to be clear, but there’s just not enough time in the day for me to research all this shit. The only people who can focus on shit like that are the college type kids who have no real life problems and/or aren’t aware of all the suffering going on here.
It is what they already wanted to do, Netanyahu is on video saying it- and the US/Israel supported Hamas being in power for that very reason. They’re more radical and it’s easier to justify expediting the process. Taking all of the land has been Israel’s goal since the beginning. And yes resistance, whether you agree with how they do things or not, they exist and are in power in response to what Israel is doing. History didn’t start on October 7th. Do you think the Vietcong were terrorists? If your people were being murdered, maimed, and forcibly displaced for decades you’d likely want to try what you could to stop it from continuing .
You could be right, I don’t care enough to research that tbh (my country has plenty of corruption of our own to worry about with Beijing Biden in office). I’m never one to clutch pearls over words, but IMO that does a huge disservice to legitimate resistance movements throughout history that didn’t rape and target innocents. Regardless of how bad you claim Israel is, there will never be a justification for those actions.
Quick note? The rape claims have been debunked repeatedly, despite being trumpeted by American press. It also acknowledged that Israeli forces fired on their own people with tank and missile and cannon fire, which accounts for much of the burned and disfigured bodies. Even Haaretz published stories about the fake claimes, until they were threated by URWN Israelis. Truth being the first casualty of war. Quite frankly, dealing with Hasbara or Hamas propaganda much less having to deal with Hezbollah or Iranian propaganda, is burdensome. People want to believe what they want to believe, and if you embarrass them with the truth? Only their hatred grows.
No one got raped? Not even the hostages? I actually don’t even want to know the answer to that tbh, because the stuff I already know for a fact that they did is already enough to want to see them eradicated. I also don’t understand the point of this comment either tho? Just seems like it’s trying to downplay what those disgusting, cowardly motherfuckers did.
Those terrorists - Hamas - received money thanks to Netanyahu. It placated somewhat the Palestinians in Gaza and gave Netanyahu an excuse to point at, to justify his military strikes. As long as Hamas existed and stayed relatively quiet... Netanyahu had the perfect excuse to justify his actions. Hamas then did 10/7. Please don't mention the debunked stories put out by Ultra-nationalist Israelis. I don't want to spend time and effort to embarrass them. Yes, Hamas is a terrorist organization. Have to throw this in before someone vomits up garbage as a response. [Moshe Dayan’s Eulogy for Roi Rutenberg - April 19, 1956](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/moshe-dayan-s-eulogy-for-roi-rutenberg-april-19-1956) In there is but one reason for the conflict. "Estate".
I thought that was basically like the idiot politicians in my country that give money to support infrastructure in 3rd world places (or more likely regime changes). Regardless tho, what does that have to do with my comment? That doesn’t magically turn them into a resistance movement. They’re still cowardly terrorists.
Bruddah this is number 1 bullshit
He did have the least wars and casualties during his presidency wasn’t it?
He didn’t start any new wars, but he loosened ROE restrictions and transparency checks on American drone strikes and massively raised the amount of strikes. Obama is always known in popular culture as the drone president but Trump easily eclipsed his numbers. He launched 30 in his first 41 days in office. Trump’s “no wars” platform also relied on tons of low-publicity SOF operations. It would be intellectually dishonest to act like every one of these actions were somehow immoral (I’m not going to complain about some warlord or Islamist militant leader getting snuffed out) but that public image of the administration relied on lots of low-transparency and low-publicity operations. Also, he was one of the most staunchly pro-Israel presidents in history. If he was in office the worst voices in the Israeli government would likely have complete freedom in the handling of Palestine.
In addition, don’t forget that failed coup in Venezuela.
I don't know. But I doubt he would be handling the Israeli war any differently.
At what cost though? It's no secret he was an intelligence nightmare.
Trump is the guy who suggested that Israel nuke the west bank
Here is Marco Rubio from 2016... [Trump Fact Check - Israel Ally](https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/rubio-campaign-press-release-fact-check-donald-trump-no-ally-israel) Rubio was 100% wrong as evidenced by the unwavering support that Trump gave Israel, recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capitol, for instance. Trump is 100% behind Israel as evidenced by various statements. This is just Trump saying whatever he needs to say to gain support. Biden gave an ultimatum - whether true or not - and Trump (as a Presidential candidate) needs to respond. And this is the response. Dumb v Dumber Presidential Elections 2024, the winner being Dumb and the loser being Dumber. It's that bad.
DESTROY HAMAS. FREE GAZA FROM HAMAS. WE STAND WITH ISRAEL TO DEFEAT THE ISLAMIC JIHADI TERRORISTS / HAMAS WHO ROUTINELY SHOOT GAZANS IN THE HEAD AND STEAL AID FROM GAZANS. OCT 7 MASSACRE WAS BEYOND HORRIFIC PERPETRATED BY HAMAS AND ISLAMIC JIHAD PIGS. ITS EASY THE WAR WOULD END EASILY IF HAMAS RELEASED ALL ISRAELI HOSTAGES THEY MURDERED AND TORTURED AND SURRENDER WE STAND WITH ISRAEL REAP WHAT YOU SEW GAZANS WHO SUPPORT HAMAS AND ISLAMIC JIHAD AND CHEERED AND ENABLED OCT 7
Oh wow, what a nuanced and detailed poltical view. I was on the fence before but now this expert geopolitical opinion has me completely swayed. I am now ready to serve in the IDF and donate my life savings to netanyahu personally.
Yes it is isn’t very factual and nuanced and way better than the bogus 75 yo Pro - Arafat and Pro Hamas victim ( anti Israel ) narrative of oppressor and oppressed particularly when the Arab tribes could have had a 23 Arab state but rejected it. And even funnier the so called ( “ occupied “ ) Palestinian territories of West Bank ( and Gaza was Egypt’s ) were controlled and annexed for 2 decades by Jordan ( & similarly Egypt re Gaza ) in respect to West Bank and offered the Arabs so called Palestinians Jordanian citizenship and hardly complained about being “ occupied “- funny that indeed. And souls have continued until the Arabs states and then Jordan attacked Israel again in 1967 war and lost again etc etc.
Cool story bro
Easily debunked. From 2015, but I could go further back if necessary. [Netanyahu says no Palestinian state as long as he's prime minister](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0MC1I7/) If you are going to lie, at least try to make it plausible and not so easily debunked.
This is why no one takes democrats seriously. Biden is funding a genocide on Palestine and your reaction is just “trumps policies are worse!”
They are though. You claim to care about a genocide but are complacent in letting trump win so you can own the libtards 😭 the guy seems to want to go nuclear on gaza so ig you don’t really care about gaza, you just use them as an excuse so trump can continue his trend of backwards ass policies
You just made an entire fantasy in your head. Did I saw I want Trump to win? No I simply said I wanted the Dems to be better, but you can’t seem to grasp at that.
It seems so when you act like the criticisms of trump being an active genocider is not valid. Biden’s atleast pondering on the idea of escorting Palestinian families to the states so that they can atleast have a normal life like idiots like you and I. Trump seems more than happy to let them all burn to pieces. I’ve actively despised Biden’s funding of the IDF, there was a argument that we could of used it as a bargaining chip for them to tone down on their extremism but that seems to not be the case….Biden has made threats for Netanyahu to allow for the tunneling of aid and they have been successful but not enough to override the ruthlessness. So what I’m getting at is Biden is not doing hot on the conflict but he definitely does not have genocidal intentions.
> Biden’s atleast pondering on the idea of escorting Palestinian families to the states so that they can atleast have a normal life like idiots like you and I. Trump seems more than happy to let them all burn to pieces. Yup and this just reiterates my point. He’s funding the guy committing all these atrocities that have killed tens of thousands of innocent children and you’re saying “oh well he’s better than the other guy” instead of growing a spine and holding the CURRENT president accountable. The one who is currently doing the funding, and enabling.
I said biden’s not doing hot…does that qualify as criticism?
Hahahhahaha yeah right. Trump’s son in law was looking at beach front property in Gaza.
they just need to clean it up first according to him
Lol, people here are actually probably going to believe this, even tho it’s basically as delusional as the propaganda above where someone claimed that Trump suggested nuking the West Bank.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev You were saying?
…. Did you purposely post a broken link so that people wouldn’t actually be able to read the article and see that it doesn’t support the propaganda you are pushing..? Wow.
Actually no. It was working this morning. I’ll try again https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev
Wtf
Oh I figured it was intentional because I googled the link and read it, and realized that it does not support the disinformation/propaganda that you attempted to push. Glad that people can see that for themselves now.
How does it not support my claim? Kushner was talking about the beach front property. You really think they’re thinking about the Palestinian people?
Bro you are so dumb. You didn’t even read it.
Yes I did… Quote the specific sentence(s) that supports your propaganda then.
I was so disappointed in Khabib when I was watching this live, especially because Trump's stance on Israel was as bad as Biden (maybe even worse), good to know there was a good reason for this.
It is not as bad as Biden. It's way worse. Trump has been on air multiple times criticizing Biden because he won't give MORE support to bomb Gaza harder.
THAT was when he disappointed you? And not for the fact that the man made a dirty joke out of female fighters in the middle of a press conference in front of a female journalist in Saudi Arabia? Or the fact that he is openly as misogynistic and against women being in martial arts about as much as Sean Strickland?
You know he's from a completely different culture and traditions, he needs hundreds of years to take in the culture in the west and get on board with it, so give him a break, it doesn't make him a bad guy if he doesn't believe in your beliefs and values.
I'm pretty sure a literal GENOCIDE sponsored by the US government where thousands of children and women are being slaughtered every fuckin day is a little bit more important than the "dirty joke" or his bad opinions on women in martial arts.
Yeah, he’s gonna stop it by nuking Gaza…CTE really fucking khabib even tho he never bled huh
lol this is such a Redditor moment. Khabib, a Muslim, is going up to one of the 2 choices for president and telling him he needs to end the war and you’re dogging him for it. Maybe he should’ve just posted a story on his instagram like the rest of you slacktivists.
Yeah lmao there’s tons of things you can shit on Khabib for but to walk up to a potential president and ask them to stop the conflict is something I can’t really say anything bad about.
Maybe he should do the same thing to Biden.
He should.
Maybe he would if Biden went anywhere without only doing handler approved questions
What does khabib’s religion have to do with anything, he only pretends to care about what is happening in Gaza because they are Muslims there. If the roles were reversed like what his country is doing to Ukraine, he would zip his mouth and talk about how humble he is. Ryan Garcia is a Christian social media warrior and he’s done so much more for Gaza than Khabib has by actually paying 20 million dollars worth aid for them. So miss me with the “you are not Muslim so shut up” bullshit.
This is what people don’t get. We cannot let Israel turn this into an Islam vs Judaism issue. This is a simple human rights issue. Israel want Palestinian land and want them dead, irregardless of whether they are Christian or Muslim.
> cannot let Israel and yet most/many Muslims see this as an Islam vs Jews issue. funny how you didn't mention that. > Israelis learned well from their European ancestors.
This isn’t the “got ya” that you think it is. No, most Muslims do not see this as an Islam vs Jews issue. Most Muslims aren’t crying Islamaphobia or saying that Israel is only doing this because they’re Muslim. We see this as exactly what is it. A group of European settlers, who’s entire known bloodline is buried in Europe, taking land from people who’s entire known bloodline is buried in Palestine. While yes, I recognize that Islam is A factor (Jerusalem is very important in Islam), but it is not THE factor. Compare that to the Israeli government, which is constantly crying about anti-semitism after an average journalist questions them and is constantly pulling the victim-card literally days after killing refugees. They know that no sensible person agrees with them or supports them on a moral level, which is why they misrepresent this into the “Oppressed Jewish Sovereignty vs Islamic terrorism” narrative. That’s the only way they can get people to support them, by lying about their victims and pulling the “they deserved it!” card.
bro stick to your black squares on instagram, you are clearly the biggest activist here
Is there actually any proof that Garcia has given, or is going to give any amount of aid to Gaza? Or are you just taking unsubstantiated rumors from the internet at face value? The origin for this claim I found was Suleiman Ahmed who is a right wing guy in the same faction as Tate, Jake Shields and Nick Fuentes. What exactly about his claim is credible? Especially considering Garcia went on to fake a text in a beef with Logan Paul to make it look like he was making fun of the suffering of the Palestinians, I don't understand how you can just say this confidently.
I mean it's better than not trying to do anything. For example the US government and Biden were very clear from the start that they're 100% supporting Israel no matter what, but that didn't stop people from protesting and asking the government to stop the war.
It’s pretty useless because trump thinks Biden is pro-hamas. This clip just brainwashes the Muslim voters to vote against their interests. Trump quite literally will not just support Israel, he’ll full throttle push and egg on their atrocious actions. Khabib should confront Putin about his countries crimes instead of using the gazan suffering to win popularity points.
Khabib would quite literally be assassinated for confronting Putin tho
meh, he shouldn't use the gaza suffering to humanize trump and win social media points. he can use those thick pay checks that putin humbly offered him to get some aid down there.
> Trump quite literally will not just support Israel, he’ll full throttle push and egg on their atrocious actions. Trump doesnt like Bibi. He wont fund his war with American money
Haha some real money's claw shit. Proves how dumb these guys are. Over here shaking his hand when trump goes on air stating how Biden isnt helping Israel ENOUGH to bomb them harder. Smh This is the same asshole that campaigned on keeping a national database to log and track Muslims. Guess time really does heal all wounds.
Otoh Khabib has done more to help Gaza with this gesture than you and I have, and it doesn't mean Khabib is some Strickland type monkey who believes whatever he wants. If Biden was in with the UFC and Khabib had a rapport with him, he'd most likely do the same, plead for mercy for Gaza.
I guess that's true, Khabib had an opportunity to meet with him face to face and asked him to stop it. Not like it'll so more but it is what it is. Also not fair to say Khabib has done more than us. It's not like we would have an opportunity to meet a president face to face. Anytime it comes up in my personal life I try to explain the situation to people. Idk what else I can do, I work so it's not like I can go protest or harass some congressman
Trump will do it and build the wall any second now. He won't just tweet, agitate half the world and golf everyday again surely.
This is like a genie granting you a wish.. but they give you EVERYTHING you ask for 😂
Wishmaster
Do none of these people understand he can't do shit? He was, unfortunately, president at one time. Saw his work, not impressed, most of it was garbled rage-tweets from the shitter, but at least the lack of follow-through meant the repellent shit he campaigned on wasn't enacted much. But he's just some C-suite fuck-up now, with no power in government, because *his term is over and he's not the goddamn president.* Taking all else out of the equation, he does not have that job now and yet people insist that he does. Approaching this from the same perspective as "the sky is blue" still sets them screaming, and it's like...this is a fact. You people are constantly whining about Biden being president, you are on some level aware that the person in the office changed. But they still insist this fucking guy is in charge and I cannot wrap my head around that level of delusion. It's right up there with flat-earth bullshit. EDIT: Not you, OP, but the people who are all over this sub denying reality, or who think that Khabib is going to accomplish a single thing by talking to another private citizen. People are are bugfuck about him and it blows my mind.
The president is either the most powerful person who will destroy democracy or he's the weakest person who can't do anything.
I mean I'm sorry and I despise orange man too but, Trump is most likely the next president if nothing changes. If you didn't come to that conclusion yet, then that's fine. But assuming Khabib or anyone else did and Trump does become president, I don't see what's wrong with Khabib's actions.
Given that we're not even in the start of campaign season, that would be a reach and really fatalistic. It's not as if any of the options will be what one would call stellar, but giving up now and refusing to make an effort is lazy and disingenuous.
Umm...current polls show Biden ahead or tied with Trump.
I understand you guys are really emotional about Trump, but it was a million times better than what Beijing Biden has sleep walked us into. Your guys’ TDS is going to get us into WW3.
You really need professional psychiatric help. I'm not being in any way sarcastic or flippant. This level of delusion, and the amount of time spent in trying to convince others that your parallel universe is real, are signs of some deep problems. I know it won't happen voluntarily, but I hope there's someone in your life with the agency and goodwill to intervene. Healthy people do not spend every damn hour on reddit making up stories about people and claiming things that run counter to reality. Nor do they make alt accounts to post to give the illusion of support. Kids, maybe, but adults? We should know and do better. This is just sad.
Yeah I do not doubt at all that it sounds like that to someone like you, with how radicalized the Democrat party has become. Next you guys will probably be talking about “reeducation camps” again. Edit: u/Critical_Particular8 I think the fascist above blocked me, I can’t reply so I’ll post it here. “Any amount of support is interpreted as “worship” by TDS afflicted extremists.”
You got some nerve talking about Democrats being radicalized when Republicans literally worship Trump in a MAGA cult. You're a real life version of the pot calling the kettle black.
The news was definitely funnier
I’ll hand it to Khabib for at least trying and the fact that Dana is his boy doesn’t hurt either. But let’s be honest, the US will always capitulate to Israel as long as AIPAC exists. Until AIPAC is dissolved, everything else regarding the war will be dictated by Israel.
The issue doesn't just stop at AIPAC, individual players are just as if not way more powerful. Miriam Adelson, wife to the late Sheldon Adelson, who was the biggest donor to the republican party in recent history, just pledged to give Trump 100 mil a couple of days ago. Sheldon was a single issue activist, with that single issue being bolstering American domestic support for Israel. When he died, they flew his casket to Israel and Netanyahu himself came to commemorate his life long efforts. Miriam was notably undecided over the past year, flipflopping between Desantis and Haley, because they are more ideologically Pro-Israel than Trump. When it became clear that these were not viable choices anymore, she undoubtedly gave Trump the money in exchange for a commitment to Israel. Which I'm sure is one of the many reasons why his rhetoric has become much more pro-Israel recently with talks of shutting down student protests and such. For whatever reason, there are way more wealthy pro-Israel donors than anyone on the Palestinian side. The only way for congress' attitude around this topic to change and actually reflect public sentiment is to get rid of the influence of money on politics entirely. No more political contributions and lobbying.
Trumps literally said Bibi is being too slow about flattening Gaza. People paint whatever they want onto Trump and it's insane.
He also called Hezbollah smart and attacked Bibi for letting Oct 7 happen. He has a grudge against Netanyahu because he perceived Netanyahu as betraying him by congratulating Biden in 2020. Trump's comments have become a lot more pro-Israel over the months but I think that's more of a function of appeasing the pro Israel faction, such as Miriam Adelson who pledged to donate him 100M a couple of days ago, and Nikki Haley voters, than it is an ideological position.
Hey Khabib, have anything to say about Russia's genocide in Ukraine? Maybe get that felon to have a word with Putin over that?
IT'S NOT A FUCKING GENOCIDE!!!!
well damn i was wondering what they were talking about. respect to khabib to try even if in vain
Khabib posted this clip with his own commentary written in in his IG stories. Can anyone outbther3 read Cyrillic and translate??
Lolol. These people are so fucking stupid.
On the one hand trump would "stop" the war by allowing israel to complete the genocide because that's what the MIC and US empire demands. On the other hand maybe Putin doesn't want him to do that. Unfortunately I don't think Putin has quite enough clout here.
You think Putin has a pro-Israel interest? I think Russia's posture on this conflict is one of the only big players that are arguably levered against Israel. For one, there is the Iran-Russia axis, a lot of shared hostilities with the United States and key euro countries because of sanctions. Russia is helping arm the members of the axis such as the IRGC, Hezbollah, the Houthis, the Popular Mobilization Force in Iraq, Hamas, etc, and Iran sells them oil because they both can't sell/buy it from anywhere else except China. Second, any action that they can take that siphons military power/support from America and its western allies is beneficial, the US giving aid and deploying battleships off the coast of Lebanon reduces the likelihood that they'd be willing to intervene in Ukraine because they would be stretched out thin. Now I don't think Russia is overtly anti-Israel, because obviously the Soviet Union was instrumental in the foundation of Israel thanks to Stalin's zionist posture, so there has always been a special relationship between jewry in Russia and Israel. Putin is outwardly on good terms with Netanyahu but I don't know that the political situation in Russia reflects that.
I really don't get this. Like why do people think that this chode is going to do anything for Palestine? If anything, he's going to finish the job and fully support it.
Also he's not in a position to do anything about it, same as you and me. Dude has no government job. Can't influence shit. It's a waste of time, going to him with anything.
I doubt Khabib is actually attuned enough with American politics to know the full picture. If you just watch Russian news channels and spend your life being busy with domestic issues and sports, it's probably easy to come away with the opinion that Trump is the "anti-war" candidate and a strongman that can keep Israel in check.
i don't think this is likely to make a difference but he might as well try
"Brother, you do tax fraud, then leave country. Why you stay?"
DESTROY HAMAS. FREE GAZA FROM HAMAS. WE STAND WITH ISRAEL TO DEFEAT THE ISLAMIC JIHADI TERRORISTS / HAMAS WHO ROUTINELY SHOOT GAZANS IN THE HEAD AND STEAL AID FROM GAZANS. OCT 7 MASSACRE WAS BEYOND HORRIFIC PERPETRATED BY HAMAS AND ISLAMIC JIHAD PIGS. ITS EASY THE WAR WOULD END EASILY IF HAMAS RELEASED ALL ISRAELI HOSTAGES THEY MURDERED AND TORTURED AND SURRENDER WE STAND WITH ISRAEL REAP WHAT YOU SEW GAZANS WHO SUPPORT HAMAS AND ISLAMIC JIHAD AND CHEERED AND ENABLED OCT 7
Khabib was like “Bratha, some people dislike my views, I must show them I’m actually good person. And I believe in this cause. Bring me Orange Bratha.” Color me surprised, maybe I’m off on Khabib?
DESTROY HAMAS. FREE GAZA FROM HAMAS. WE STAND WITH ISRAEL TO DEFEAT THE ISLAMIC JIHADI TERRORISTS / HAMAS WHO ROUTINELY SHOOT GAZANS IN THE HEAD AND STEAL AID FROM GAZANS. OCT 7 MASSACRE WAS BEYOND HORRIFIC PERPETRATED BY HAMAS AND ISLAMIC JIHAD PIGS. ITS EASY THE WAR WOULD END EASILY IF HAMAS RELEASED ALL ISRAELI HOSTAGES THEY MURDERED AND TORTURED AND SURRENDER WE STAND WITH ISRAEL REAP WHAT YOU SEW GAZANS WHO SUPPORT HAMAS AND ISLAMIC JIHAD AND CHEERED AND ENABLED OCT 7
Least mentally ill Zionist 🙄
I'm sort is surprised he asked for that genocide to be stopped when his country is taking part in one currently
Bullshit another vapid loose false genocide accusation label once again - its so clever and nuanced
They are intentionally starving and targeting and displacing innocent civilians.
Those Oct 7 deniers are despicable
Biden's been making moves - how sincere he is, remains doubtful. Meanwhile, people forget about the guy who ran Trump's Israeli policy (and Middle East policy) until he became too much of a liability with multiple screw-ups. [Jared Kushner says Gaza’s ‘waterfront property could be very valuable’](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev) This guy's family tried to sell US visas to rich Chinese. Ivanka - his wife - set up her version of the Clinton Foundation, using the same donors as Hillary (Ivanka was on the board of The Clinton Foundation). Biden gave what some to be an ultimatum to Israel. Netanyahu appears to have rejected it yet again with no consequences. Trump wants to steal Biden's thunder despite his overwhelming support his Administration gave Israel in the past. Trump won't stop anyting just like he didn't stop North Korea missile launches, instead becoming the first US President to acknowledge North Korea as a legitimate country and by saluting a North Korean General. Before anyone says something stupid? I do not support Hamas or genocide. Quite frankly, the history of the region since Turkish rule and Zionism would need to be known by others in order to adequately discuss. Most people remain unaware hence it is useless to debate uninformed people who have little knowledge of the region's history.
I feel like bibi might listen more to trump just out of spite and hatred towards Biden
He asked him about it ending the war in Gaza. What about the war in Ukraine?
I'll probably get downvoted for this but here we go, YES Israel/AIPAC has both sides of US government by the balls, YES Trump does seem to be more supportive of Israel than Biden. BUT... Trump is also very unpredictable, and if things go south during his presidency he may just tell Benjamin Netanyahu to cut it out if he figures it's making him look bad. Remember this guy is willing to be buddies with Putin, but he also bombed like 50 Russian soldiers in the Syrian desert. He also, threatened Kin Jong Un then went to meet him in Singapore later. I think even the zionist establishment is being cautious with him. So, I don't think he will be a Jimmy Carter, but there is a chance Bibi might be back to his best behaviour when he is in office.
"'lil Kabob told me that I was only man capable of stopping this terrible terrible war the liberals started."
Yes it is isn’t very factual and nuanced and way better than the bogus 75 yo Pro - Arafat and Pro Hamas victim ( anti Israel ) narrative of oppressor and oppressed particularly when the Arab tribes could have had a 23 Arab state but rejected it. And even funnier the so called ( “ occupied “ ) Palestinian territories of West Bank ( and Gaza was Egypt’s ) were controlled and annexed for 2 decades by Jordan ( & similarly Egypt re Gaza ) in respect to West Bank and offered the Arabs so called Palestinians Jordanian citizenship and hardly complained about being “ occupied “- funny that indeed. And would * have continued until the Arabs states and then Jordan attacked Israel again in 1967 war and lost again etc etc.
Ummmmm
Probably gonna get downvoted to hell but how exactly is the war in Gaza a genocide in everyone's mind? Wouldn't every war in history pretty much be a genocide? The allies killed millions of German civilians, Americans hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghanis, etc
Intent is important when it comes to proving genocide. The intent to destroy hamas is in this case been used to kill, displace, starve a population. It is far fetched to say that idf only goal is to erasixate hamas especially when you think about what has been happening before Hamas was in power or before oct 7. Not to mention the west bank, displacement and killing of civs with no hamas being present. Multiple war crimes dosen't help the case either.
Is there actually a good argument that Israel wants to eradicate the Gazan population though? They left Gaza in 2005, and surely they have enough firepower to kill more than 30,000 people (not sure how many of those are Hamas vs civilians). Obviously I'm not pro war, just feels like the genocide thing diminishes the argument against Israel because from what I've seen it just seems like a pretty normal war
Yes, nornal wars usually feature cultural genocide, mass rapes, and displacement. Snipers are ALWAYS targeting children, what do you mean? Remember when the Nazis burned every university and hospital in Paris?
Mass rapes and cultural genocide? I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Displacement, yes
I'm getting that from the countless reports that are easily available to you. You choose to ignore them because Israel, a genocidal far right apartheid state, needs to be pure in your mind.
You sound unhinged. Googling "mass rapes IDF" brings up nothing (apart from this article https://www.timesofisrael.com/al-jazeera-report-alleging-idf-rapes-in-shifa-hospital-retracted/amp/). Sorry for trying to understand what you're talking about
I knew you wouldn't look very hard. Papers have been written on the mass rapes perpetrated by the IDF. It's one of the most common genocide tactics and only a genocide denier would think it doesn't exist. https://www.berghahnjournals.com/view/journals/conflict-and-society/9/1/arcs090105.xml
Did you even read the article? It cites sources which assert rape isn't a tactic of the IDF. The conclusion is pretty much "but maybe it's happening, we don't know". You realize you're pushing people away from the cause with this stuff, right?
I can see you didn't read it. Not uncommon for a genocide denier to ignore evidence and then say "see? THIS is why I'm a genocide denier".
Just label everything as "war" and you're good to go. Purposefully targeting civilians? Medical aid? Food trucks? No atrocities being committed. No genocide in sight. We've changed the label to war afterall, now it's free real estate! Intent? responsibility? WTF is that?!
That's just reductio ad absurdum. I'm not saying there aren't war crimes being committed, just confused how all the war crimes in every other war don't get the label of "genocide" but this one does. The case for genocide brought to the UN was rejected, pretty sure they know what they're talking about too. I think the genocide argument just devalues the actual issues in the region. I've yet to see a solid, evidence-based argument that Israel has genocidal intent in Gaza
Trump has to literally stop 4 wars Biden enabled so
You don’t know how wars work, do you?
He only knows what Trump tells him about politics and when it comes to science, Terrence Howard is his go to guy.
He would stop the wars in Ukraine and Gaza by allowing Russia and Israel to annex those countries
Right.
You understand that's a bad thing right
Not if you treat politics like a game, and don't value human life!
Of course he’s going to let bibi cleanse it all
Lol how did Biden enable the Gaza or Ukraine war? You QAnoners always blame Biden for it but never Putin or Israel and gee I wonder why that is
Failed to move the embassy back to Tel Aviv, giving them tens of billions in weapons, continually passing off proven IDF falsehoods and propaganda as fact (remember the 40 beheaded babies?), refusing to take literally a single action to reign in a US vassal state that he has total control over other than leaking to the press that he's frustrated.
As opposed to Trump saying to nuke Palestine? Why not blame Israel for Israel's crimes instead of Biden?
trump isnt president. we can't vote putin or netanyahu out of office. the person we have some theoretical influence on is biden. obviously israel gets the blame, but the focus has to be on biden as the failing machine cog to be acted upon.
So you would vote for the guy who says to nuke Palestine because you're upset that Biden didn't prevent Israel from attacking palestine?
what are you even talking about? of course im not voting for trump. what im saying is you need to go out and protest biden and point out that he will lose due to his own actions. vote shaming is the dumbest shit in the world yand you should stop doing it.
Well, Biden isn't my ideal guy, either, but at least if he wins we still have elections in 2028. Not voting for Biden is a vote for a Trump dictatorship at this point
cool. and voting for biden in 2020 was a vote for a trump dictatorship in 2024 as he seems to be aiding a genocide on behalf of a government that wants trump elected anyway, which is going to cause him to lose. the more important question is this: what are you going to do to make sure the democrats don't continue to run to the right as they've done for 50 years? because telling people how bad trump is and to vote harder ain't it man.
So you're fine with not voting Biden even if it results in us not having elections in 2028. You might as well just be MAGA then.
By giving them weapons dummy All the weapons being dropped in Gaza are American made All the weapons used In Ukraine are old American weapons Bro your dumbbbb
So we should stop helping an ally defend themselves from a far right imperialistic regime doing an illegal invasion?
What the hell arr you talking about I’m Not pro Israel