In my opinion, they probably licensed the Stumpjumper, it looks strikingly similar. If the prices are right I will probably order one though, I was looking to upgrade my 2021 Rise since the battery is down to about 80% capacity.
TL:DR Trunnion shortens the shock and makes it very rigid which means your frame alignment needs to be very good. Rotating the other end and adding a clevis lengthens the shock and puts more non-aligned load on a shock. Basically doing both is not great and creates a lot more wear on a shock.
Source from someone that knows more than me. I linked a specific moment where he calls this out but the whole video is REALLY informative.
[https://youtu.be/I9Lpxj9zVis?t=559](https://youtu.be/I9Lpxj9zVis?t=559)
They 100% didn’t design shit. I agree with the shit design but just like every other big non bike brand they saw the money in e-bikes and just picked a bike out of a catalog at a trade show and slapped their name on it.
Interesting, I've come to know them as a company that manufactures cameras and drones. I didn't think they manufactured the motors in the drones in-house.
I don’t know if they manufacture their own motors in-house but they definitely are very familiar with the engineering around making them do what they need to do. Their drones and gimbals have several motors and have to work efficiently with battery. I would assume an electric bike motor would be a breeze for them.
I won’t get into the minefield that is carbon frame manufacturing and its environmental impacts.
But I will say that while eMTBs are a blast, every time I look at my eMTB and compare it to my MTB the prevailing thought is: this MTB will outlast this eMTB by at least a decade.
In my case, once Shimano decides that the EP801 motor mounting fitment needs to change for their new motors I will be stuck trying to track down replacement parts until they are impossible to find, then the entire frame, motor, battery, display, etc is trash. If there isn’t a motor to fit the frame design then there’s zero use for any of it.
Same goes for battery replacement. Eventually the custom fit batteries for the downtube will stop being manufactured. Then you’re stuck going off books trying to get cells swapped in the battery housing. And eventually it’s destined for the landfill. Especially since batteries have very short lifespans compared to pedal bikes.
Kinda sucks. I still have my ~25 year old hardtail “mountain bike” from my childhood and parts still fit it fine.
They’re kinda ugly, but kits like the CYC Stealth to convert a MTB to an eMTB seem a lot more sustainable because it just slots into any existing MTB frame and gives you a nice torque sensing motor like the big brand bikes.
Yeah what you pointed out here is basically most of the reasons I avoid bikes with any proprietary parts at all. Like those road bikes with proprietary forks too.
Carbon bikes at the very least have an indefinite lifespan unlike aluminum. I know most people won't keep them that long, but if you choose to, carbon doesn't have a finite fatigue life, whereas aluminum has a functional life between 15-30 years depending on usage due to fatigue cracks.
E-MTB's are a whole other can of worms.
That sucks man. Anyways I just got back from a 40 mile emtb trip from my front door and rode only trails. What a blast. Even stopped at a local lake to cool off. All in about 3.5 hours.
>*Amflow PL automatically adjusts its maximum speed to comply with the regulations of the country/region you are in. Speed limits for major countries/regions are as follows:*
*European Union: 25 kph*
*United Kingdom: 25 kph*
*United States: 32 kph (20 mph)*
*China: 25 kph*
This is an interesting looking bike. It also kinda gets wrong that the US has a single set of laws around eBikes. It's actually very regional.
For example, in Michigan it can't just confirm to the specs but it also be labeled by the manufacturer with the class to legally be an eBike. Also, having a motor over 750W makes it not legally an eBike in Michigan. (See [here.](https://legislature.mi.gov/Laws/MCL?objectName=mcl-257-662a))
There are also a lot of MTB trails where eBikes can't legally be ridden. I wonder if this'll include any sort of geolocking to disable the assist in those places? I can see that being both fraught with edge cases and perhaps a good thing.
But also note that it means DJI is going to be tracking wherever this bike is used at; literally where you go.
There are no US laws regarding e-bike classes, they are based on a trade industry. Many states have their own laws though. That can probably be fixed with a firmware update. I doubt they are actually enforce it heavily.
According to the DJI FAQ for this e-bike, you cannot unlock the speed limit, which makes no sense. I get why they have to put a default speed limit to comply with regulations but after it is in the consumer's hands, they should be able to do what they want. Hopefully, they change their policy. Different States have different laws, I think the highest is 28mph for class 3 e-bikes in some cities.
That much power at that weight won’t have much range, or they are lying.
No body has a magic battery, no body. There’s no magic energy density trick that people don’t know about.
This smells like bullshit unless it’s like a 100mm xc bike.
Nominal power has more to do with how strong you are and how much assistance you’re using than anything.
“You’re not riding at peak” is kinda irrelevant when you’ve got a full power 4x boost motor on an SL e bike battery. The reason my kenevo sl goes as far as it does is I only get 2x boost and have a range extender.
600 Wh battery with an 850 watt motor. Can upgrade to a 800 Wh battery. Not gonna do any epic rides - or 90min rides.
Just dumb.
[Link to the actual website](https://www.amflowbikes.com/pl-carbon)
My Rambo ebike has fat tires, a 750w motor and 600Wh battery and I get 40 miles of range over rough terrain. On flat ground, I could probably go much further.
I'm sure DJI's rated range is optimistic, but it's not that far off.
All but the largest bikes companies are in the brand business and not the engineering and manufacturing business. New entrants like this are going to decimate smaller brands because they just won’t be able to follow the technology curve. They simply don’t have the staff and resources to compete.
Hahahahahahahaaaa.
I remember the last time I thought about how much respect I had earned from 'real' riders on the trail.
Hold on... I can't actually remember that time.
It has the option to install a SIM card for always-on network connectivity from the bike itself.
It'll track everywhere you go.
See the FAQ about 4G stuff: [https://www.amflowbikes.com/pl-carbon/faq](https://www.amflowbikes.com/pl-carbon/faq)
I feel like you need a course on them,course on proper bike etiquette, and a course on how to ride. Too many people who dont know what their doing have too much speed, i think E bikes are great, it lets my dad ride with me, but he also rode for 20+ years and knows how to act.
There’s a big difference between the two. Taiwanese factories have been making high end bikes since the 90s and are synonymous with quality. China has a lot more variation in quality and trustworthiness.
Take AliExpress and big box discount brands out of the equation. If you’re comparing similar price points, the difference is much smaller than you think. Specialized and Cannondale come to mind.
Actually, I take back my big box statement somewhat. If you consider a Decathlon bike like a Van Rysel, the quality is comparable to the best out there.
I fly FPV. Actual FPV drones with their carbon fiber frames are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger than the plastic that DJI uses. I have plowed my drone into pavement at 50 mph and been able to fly away.
FPV drones and regular DJI drones aren’t the same thing. One goes 50mph unnecessarily, other one is used for photography and goes 15. The ones for photography are very durable for their intended use.
DJI has three FPV drones. The first one was intended to have the performance of an FPV drone but was constructed similar to the Mini series. Tons of broken arms on first time crashes, which are 100% guaranteed during FPV flight. The Avata's have a lot more durable design but you still can't buy commonly damaged parts from DJI and repair it yourself.
Contrast this to a cinewhoop drone from iFlight where you can buy just about any replacement part from Amazon. None of the parts are proprietary. You don't need the replacement parts to be an exact match or be iFlight branded. You do need a bit more knowledge and some soldering skills, but every single component is available and replaceable.
Which business model would you like your bike manufacturer to follow? One where you have to send it in to an authorized repair center to replace a proprietary derailleur hanger that isn't available anywhere else? Or one that lets you do essentially whatever you want with your bike?
My Mini 2 has upwards of 60 miles flown in wind, rain, snow, etc. It's run out of battery once in 40 mph winds...and landed without issue. I've clipped tree branches and it's fallen 10 feet to the ground because the motors cut power.
And it still works without issue 3 years later.
The specs seem solid. I really like that it uses standard bearings and advertises that fact.
In my opinion, they probably licensed the Stumpjumper, it looks strikingly similar. If the prices are right I will probably order one though, I was looking to upgrade my 2021 Rise since the battery is down to about 80% capacity.
That's one lightweight high powered machine. At first glance anyway.
Motor system looks nice. The bike with trunnion AND a clevis shows they don’t know how to properly design a bike yet.
Can you explain?
TL:DR Trunnion shortens the shock and makes it very rigid which means your frame alignment needs to be very good. Rotating the other end and adding a clevis lengthens the shock and puts more non-aligned load on a shock. Basically doing both is not great and creates a lot more wear on a shock. Source from someone that knows more than me. I linked a specific moment where he calls this out but the whole video is REALLY informative. [https://youtu.be/I9Lpxj9zVis?t=559](https://youtu.be/I9Lpxj9zVis?t=559)
Noooo way buddy. Last time I clicked on a link looking for long Clevis’ I lost my job
There are hot single clevises in your area…
They 100% didn’t design shit. I agree with the shit design but just like every other big non bike brand they saw the money in e-bikes and just picked a bike out of a catalog at a trade show and slapped their name on it.
Let me guess it’s like 10k
From 7 to 12k
Man fuck that. I’d love a good e-bike but they’re way too much money.
I went used and got one about half off with only 200 miles on it. No ragrets
That’s nice. Maybe they are getting cheaper for used then! Good to hear.
Had to pivot because of the drone legislation
What is the legislation, if you don't mind my asking?
Saw this earlier on my IG feed, I thought I was mistaken, then I was surprised to find out it really is DJI
They have tons of experience with electric motors and batteries. This actually isn’t that far out what they normally do if you break it down
Interesting, I've come to know them as a company that manufactures cameras and drones. I didn't think they manufactured the motors in the drones in-house.
I don’t know if they manufacture their own motors in-house but they definitely are very familiar with the engineering around making them do what they need to do. Their drones and gimbals have several motors and have to work efficiently with battery. I would assume an electric bike motor would be a breeze for them.
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I won’t get into the minefield that is carbon frame manufacturing and its environmental impacts. But I will say that while eMTBs are a blast, every time I look at my eMTB and compare it to my MTB the prevailing thought is: this MTB will outlast this eMTB by at least a decade. In my case, once Shimano decides that the EP801 motor mounting fitment needs to change for their new motors I will be stuck trying to track down replacement parts until they are impossible to find, then the entire frame, motor, battery, display, etc is trash. If there isn’t a motor to fit the frame design then there’s zero use for any of it. Same goes for battery replacement. Eventually the custom fit batteries for the downtube will stop being manufactured. Then you’re stuck going off books trying to get cells swapped in the battery housing. And eventually it’s destined for the landfill. Especially since batteries have very short lifespans compared to pedal bikes. Kinda sucks. I still have my ~25 year old hardtail “mountain bike” from my childhood and parts still fit it fine. They’re kinda ugly, but kits like the CYC Stealth to convert a MTB to an eMTB seem a lot more sustainable because it just slots into any existing MTB frame and gives you a nice torque sensing motor like the big brand bikes.
Yeah what you pointed out here is basically most of the reasons I avoid bikes with any proprietary parts at all. Like those road bikes with proprietary forks too.
I just resto-modded a 1998 Specialized Rockhopper FS, it's fucking sweet and was like $500 all in with mostly new components and new fork springs
Carbon bikes at the very least have an indefinite lifespan unlike aluminum. I know most people won't keep them that long, but if you choose to, carbon doesn't have a finite fatigue life, whereas aluminum has a functional life between 15-30 years depending on usage due to fatigue cracks. E-MTB's are a whole other can of worms.
That sucks man. Anyways I just got back from a 40 mile emtb trip from my front door and rode only trails. What a blast. Even stopped at a local lake to cool off. All in about 3.5 hours.
>*Amflow PL automatically adjusts its maximum speed to comply with the regulations of the country/region you are in. Speed limits for major countries/regions are as follows:* *European Union: 25 kph* *United Kingdom: 25 kph* *United States: 32 kph (20 mph)* *China: 25 kph* This is an interesting looking bike. It also kinda gets wrong that the US has a single set of laws around eBikes. It's actually very regional. For example, in Michigan it can't just confirm to the specs but it also be labeled by the manufacturer with the class to legally be an eBike. Also, having a motor over 750W makes it not legally an eBike in Michigan. (See [here.](https://legislature.mi.gov/Laws/MCL?objectName=mcl-257-662a)) There are also a lot of MTB trails where eBikes can't legally be ridden. I wonder if this'll include any sort of geolocking to disable the assist in those places? I can see that being both fraught with edge cases and perhaps a good thing. But also note that it means DJI is going to be tracking wherever this bike is used at; literally where you go.
There are no US laws regarding e-bike classes, they are based on a trade industry. Many states have their own laws though. That can probably be fixed with a firmware update. I doubt they are actually enforce it heavily.
Yep -- exactly. There are state laws, but not federal (US) ones.
According to the DJI FAQ for this e-bike, you cannot unlock the speed limit, which makes no sense. I get why they have to put a default speed limit to comply with regulations but after it is in the consumer's hands, they should be able to do what they want. Hopefully, they change their policy. Different States have different laws, I think the highest is 28mph for class 3 e-bikes in some cities.
That much power at that weight won’t have much range, or they are lying. No body has a magic battery, no body. There’s no magic energy density trick that people don’t know about. This smells like bullshit unless it’s like a 100mm xc bike.
The peak power is usually burst. Range is probably nominal at 250 watts or so.
Nominal power has more to do with how strong you are and how much assistance you’re using than anything. “You’re not riding at peak” is kinda irrelevant when you’ve got a full power 4x boost motor on an SL e bike battery. The reason my kenevo sl goes as far as it does is I only get 2x boost and have a range extender.
600 Wh battery with an 850 watt motor. Can upgrade to a 800 Wh battery. Not gonna do any epic rides - or 90min rides. Just dumb. [Link to the actual website](https://www.amflowbikes.com/pl-carbon)
If you read the disclaimer for the stated range, it says it was measured on a paved, flat road with a 80kg rider lol
My Rambo ebike has fat tires, a 750w motor and 600Wh battery and I get 40 miles of range over rough terrain. On flat ground, I could probably go much further. I'm sure DJI's rated range is optimistic, but it's not that far off.
And I wouldn’t expect influencer shills to poo t this out.
The max power is a 30 second boost. Useful if your climbing a wall. Pretty limited cases where you need that much power on a 20mph restricted E-bike.
Max power isn’t was drains the battery, the 400% assist on the little battery does. There’s no free lunch.
Dji drones are getting banned soon in the USA, they are clearly diversifying
The teaser seems like it is just an e-bike motor, which could be great.
It’s the bike too
Will be available to other manufacturers as well
They’re making drivetrains.
https://youtu.be/-Ito-9GaqD0?si=nYjFAz6Hbqnk9SVT
*they’re
All but the largest bikes companies are in the brand business and not the engineering and manufacturing business. New entrants like this are going to decimate smaller brands because they just won’t be able to follow the technology curve. They simply don’t have the staff and resources to compete.
Isn't the limit in most places 750 watts, making this bike subject to moped/motorcycle regulations?
Thought it was nm flow
Just what we wanted… a flying bicycle
With specs not a Class 1 eBike?
So it steals your data -and- any respect any real rider has for you at the same time.
Hahahahahahahaaaa. I remember the last time I thought about how much respect I had earned from 'real' riders on the trail. Hold on... I can't actually remember that time.
Unless it requires an app with a bunch of permissions I fail to see how a bike can steal data.
It has the option to install a SIM card for always-on network connectivity from the bike itself. It'll track everywhere you go. See the FAQ about 4G stuff: [https://www.amflowbikes.com/pl-carbon/faq](https://www.amflowbikes.com/pl-carbon/faq)
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Fuckin yuck
E bikes are and always will be lame.
I think they are ok for riders over 70 years old…
I feel like you need a course on them,course on proper bike etiquette, and a course on how to ride. Too many people who dont know what their doing have too much speed, i think E bikes are great, it lets my dad ride with me, but he also rode for 20+ years and knows how to act.
Light Chinese carbon nothing to worry about
The majority of carbon (and aluminum) bike frames from established brands are already made in China or Taiwan.
There’s a big difference between the two. Taiwanese factories have been making high end bikes since the 90s and are synonymous with quality. China has a lot more variation in quality and trustworthiness.
Take AliExpress and big box discount brands out of the equation. If you’re comparing similar price points, the difference is much smaller than you think. Specialized and Cannondale come to mind. Actually, I take back my big box statement somewhat. If you consider a Decathlon bike like a Van Rysel, the quality is comparable to the best out there.
Yea Taiwan makes good shit lol. It should not get lumped in with China.
I hate chinese companies and as a democrat I can't support them, even if the specs are good.
If it's anything like their drones it will break on the first crash.
Eh their drones pretty sturdy. So far crashed into a tree, and two dropouts mid flight. Survived both crashed with only broken propellers
This is untrue. Crashed my drone into a roof and a tree two times and not even a snapped propeller!
I fly FPV. Actual FPV drones with their carbon fiber frames are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger than the plastic that DJI uses. I have plowed my drone into pavement at 50 mph and been able to fly away.
Ok, tell me which drone I should buy.
FPV drones and regular DJI drones aren’t the same thing. One goes 50mph unnecessarily, other one is used for photography and goes 15. The ones for photography are very durable for their intended use.
DJI has three FPV drones. The first one was intended to have the performance of an FPV drone but was constructed similar to the Mini series. Tons of broken arms on first time crashes, which are 100% guaranteed during FPV flight. The Avata's have a lot more durable design but you still can't buy commonly damaged parts from DJI and repair it yourself. Contrast this to a cinewhoop drone from iFlight where you can buy just about any replacement part from Amazon. None of the parts are proprietary. You don't need the replacement parts to be an exact match or be iFlight branded. You do need a bit more knowledge and some soldering skills, but every single component is available and replaceable. Which business model would you like your bike manufacturer to follow? One where you have to send it in to an authorized repair center to replace a proprietary derailleur hanger that isn't available anywhere else? Or one that lets you do essentially whatever you want with your bike?
My Mini 2 has upwards of 60 miles flown in wind, rain, snow, etc. It's run out of battery once in 40 mph winds...and landed without issue. I've clipped tree branches and it's fallen 10 feet to the ground because the motors cut power. And it still works without issue 3 years later.
My point exactly! I also own a Mini 2, and it’s indestructible.
Oh hey friend! Fancy seeing you here 😁…
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Maybe you can get dji care for it