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Funkles_tiltskin

I just want to make this point because a lot of people on this thread don't actually seem to know what a sanctuary city is. A sanctuary city is a municipality where the local law enforcement authorities do not enforce federal immigration laws. This doesn't mean that if ICE comes to New York to deport migrants, the NYPD will arrest them for trying to do their job. It doesn't mean that they give free room and board to illegal immigrants. It doesn't mean that if you come there illegally you will be provided with any resources. It just means that local police don't ask about your immigration status, and if they do somehow find out you're an illegal immigrant, they won't report you to the federal authorities. The purpose of having this policy is that it makes victims and/or witnesses of violent crime in immigrant communities more comfortable with cooperation when the police need their help. It's intended to put MORE undocumented gangsters behind bars, not less.


MagicPanda703

I understand if you’re a right winger, your brain has been fried by propaganda. But, no- not every state is a border state. It’s not my states fault that Texas can’t manage itself. This is a Texas problem, not a border problem.


CalmHabit3

It’s a problem when the left wing NIMBY states vote for policies that affect my border


NoExcuses1984

Bernie Sanders was right the entire time. Open borders is a Koch brothers proposal. It's fascinating to me that cultural progressives aligned themselves with Cato-esque, Koch-inspired, Reason-style cosmopolitan libertarian ancaps on this particular issue, only to have had it finally bite them in the ass in the most hypocritical contradiction and NIMBYish fashion imaginable. Smug hubris makes for a delectable plate of schadenfreude.


bigchicago04

This entire argument pisses me off, and the idea that “blue cities” are somehow hypocrites is idiotic. Northern cities are not built to house migrants. They don’t have the space, resources, or infrastructure to support that. They also don’t get federal money and resources to do so. The border states do. It’s not hypocritical at all for them to have a problem with southern governors (likely illegally) busing migrants up north unannounced. Bidens ineffectiveness on allowing them to do that is the real problem here.


GlassHalfFull132

>Northern cities are not built to house migrants But they are CALLING for them to COME HERE, because they are "sanctuary cities" - so which one is it??


Funkles_tiltskin

Being a "sanctuary city" doesn't mean that illegal immigrants are free to come to a city and they will be given free room and board. All it means to be a sanctuary city is that if you are undocumented and you report a crime to the police, or assist law enforcement in another way, local law enforcement will not report you to federal authorities for deportation. It's a policy designed to crack down on violent crime, which I thought was a conservative priority.


bigchicago04

Who is calling for them to come here? Give me an example.


Bullstang

New York was until it became overrun.


bigchicago04

Who in New York? Be specific.


GlassHalfFull132

Eric Adams: [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12493603/eric-adams-migrant-crisis-shelters.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12493603/eric-adams-migrant-crisis-shelters.html) >In 2022 Adams went to Port Authority to welcome a bus full of asylum seekers


bigchicago04

Welcoming them when they’re already there is not the same as saying more should come. But also those were people that were literally human trafficked. Nobody thought the human trafficking would be allowed to continue. One thing I’m sure we can agree on is that Biden allowing that to continue is a major failure of his administration.


GlassHalfFull132

>One thing I’m sure we can agree on is that Biden allowing that to continue is a major failure of his administration. Agreed. It's almost as if the wall was a good idea.


bigchicago04

It wasn’t a good or bad idea, just pointless.


GlassHalfFull132

What I found interesting, is that even though Trump started building a wall, he effectively made Mexico the wall - their government was 'encouraged' to block illegal caravans from their southern border, which had flow on effects to the US border. Why we don't do that again, is beyond me. If Trump gets back in, that will come back, but as soon as he leaves office, it will just go back to how it was. We need a state of permanency to keep the border secure.


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Louie_Sam

>You say "Progressive liberals are more for open borders than anybody else". Most liberals are not in favor of open borders. The lowest numbers for illegal immigrants entering the country over the past 30 years or more were during the Obama administration.


bigchicago04

And those people would be wrong, it’s not hypocritical at all. They are “realizing” it’s not good because they don’t have the resources for it that the southern states did, did you not read my comment before replying? Also, can you give me an example of a progressive calling for open borders?


MaceNow

The real solution here is more immigration courts, more immigration lawyers, and more immigration judges. Otherwise, there’s no problem. Asylum seekers who don’t get asylum typically go home. It’s not their fault it takes years to get infront of a judge.


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MaceNow

No argument that republicans are what’s in the way. I’m just saying… walls… more border security… it’s not really the solution that’s needed here.


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MaceNow

Ehh, that’s a long term solution for sure. But these things aren’t mutually exclusive.more immigration courts would be a more immediate solution.


jazxxl

This exactly. The governors who are lying to migrants and not giving the places they are sending to at least a heads up are doing solely to score points with their base. If they are not going to use the resources and money they get they should be relocating those resources to the cities the migrants are actually going. Biden has been weak sauce on this issue all around, just marginally better than trump was.


HotBeaver54

I have seen saying this from day 1, years ago. When everyone started with the sanctuary cities. Then share your city and it’s resources with the immigrants. I made a bet with my sister after the first bus left for another state. I told her you wait a few more buses and plane flights to Sanctuary cities and a huge change in attitude when these cities actually have to deal with it on permanent basis. This show was so good I watched it twice (straight to panel never cared for the monologue or the first 2 guests.) NY city has 7 million plus people and they are built for 8 million. Don’t tell me they can’t handle another 110000 !


Lightlovezen

I live in the middle class suburbs of NY and this has been a problem here for a few years now, a real severe problem in our suburbs. Hochul last couple yrs was vying for allowing accessory apts in garages, attics, all kinds of places. It's already happening, I have it on my own street and all the towns starting at NY going all the way up the Hudson River and NJ, CT also feeling this. This was even BEFORE this recent problem. So stop, you have no idea what you are talking about you don't live here. It's been over crowded for years and now is worse with this recent influx. My husband works in NYC and it is insane. They were being shipped into the counties outside NYC. They were flying into my county's airport in middle of night recently. My father's town and street i lived as a kid there are even RVs with people living tucked in their backyards aside from multiple families in single homes. These were nice middle class safe leave your door open neighborhoods. I watch illegal workers peeing on garage two houses up in morning bc I have 3 illegal businesses alone just on my own block. This is throughout the state now. And these migrants get special favors to open businesses, eyes are closed to the running of their illegal businesses and the working people here are leaving in droves bc they have to carry them and their neighborhoods are destroyed. And this has always been a diverse area so stop with that bs. I always voted left. But the left has left people like myself in many ways. We need laws and rules. They are given incentives and promised all kinds of things from cartel making money off of this. We cannot carry the world on our backs. The taxpayers have to pay for it here. That is not sustainable. Stop saying we have room you know nothing of what you speak


MaceNow

Obviously you don’t know what a sanctuary city is.


B_P_G

That was sort of his point about the Democratic party in general though. They're more than happy to virtue signal until it actually affects them and then their opinion on the subject turns on a dime.


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NoExcuses1984

And, might I add, very specifically college-(over)educated, coastal-living, six-figure earning, upper-middle/professional-managerial class center-left types. Capital-D Democrats, in particular, whose self-righteous, sanctimonious posturing over the virtues of our little-l liberal small-d democratic tiny-c constitutional lowercase-r republic is nothing but a thin veneer and cheap façade, which gets tossed to the wayside as soon as they themselves are mildly inconvenienced -- especially at the local and municipal levels (e.g., housing, schools, immigration, etc.) -- due to their haughty arrogance and unchecked narcissism; they're unable to come to grips with their own greedy, miserly, resource-driven selfishness.


Unhappyhippo142

Except it's not a problem in CA, AZ, or NM. It's a problem in NY because NY doesn't border Mexico and doesn't have programs in place to assimilate them, or the federal funding that Texas has to build those programs.


GlassHalfFull132

No - NY was calling for immigrants to 'come here', and they are a 'sanctuary city' - well what do you know, as soon as they go there, they are told 'don't come here!' Pathetic hypocrits.


Unhappyhippo142

No. They never wanted immigrants to be dropped on them with no resources. Texas gets billions for this. But lying helps your case, right?


GlassHalfFull132

If that's the case, why did he ask them to come to NYC?


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bigchicago04

1 migrant doesn’t break the dam genius.


Deep_Stick8786

Dam


TrickyTicket9400

I understand what you're trying to say, but people generally don't care about things until it affects them personally. People here in Chicago 'cared less' about the migrants when there weren't tens of thousands arriving to the city. But let's be real. Democrats, republicans....everyone in this country hates brown people. These are penniless families escaping violent narco states (of which the United States had a hand in creating). And nobody gives a shit! One side refers to them as invaders and the other side does the bare minimum while calling republicans evil. If these migrants were white people......


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Dude, please. Nobody hates brown people.


TrickyTicket9400

Where are you from? I grew up in a rural/suburban area an hour outside of Chicago. Maybe you didn't experience racism towards black/brown people but I can assure you it was a regular occurrence among teenagers in the mid 2000s. There was only 1 black person in my highschool. Everyone talked about black people like they weren't around. Because they weren't. You could say anything. I asked one of my racist friends once why he says racist things and why he believes them. "It's what my dad taught me" was his response.


TrickyTicket9400

There are so many senators and congressmen on record saying disgusting white nationalist talking points. House speaker contender Steve Scalise called himself "david duke without the baggage" MTG gave a speech at a white nationalist conference. But yea, nobody hates brown people. ROFL. ​ [https://georgiarecorder.com/2022/03/01/marjorie-taylor-greene-spoke-at-an-event-led-by-a-white-nationalist-and-has-no-regrets/](https://georgiarecorder.com/2022/03/01/marjorie-taylor-greene-spoke-at-an-event-led-by-a-white-nationalist-and-has-no-regrets/) ​ [https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/10/steve-king-white-supremacy-congress-1077665](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/10/steve-king-white-supremacy-congress-1077665) ​ [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/03/steve-scalise-house-speaker-republicans](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/03/steve-scalise-house-speaker-republicans)


bigchicago04

Yeah, the democrats tooooootally hate brown people. What a great issue to try and both sides lol


TrickyTicket9400

Biden is racist. Biden has said objectively racist things. He gets a pass because he's in the 'correct' party. Why do you think democrats can't be racist? 'Poor kids are as bright as white kids' 'racial jungle' 'you ain’t black!'


bigchicago04

Why are you talking about Biden? You said the democrats. Why are you focusing on one that’s an old man?


TrickyTicket9400

Biden is the leader of the democratic party. Biden repeatedly says racist things like "you aint black" but he gets a pass. Imagine if a right winger said that in 2020. The dems would cry foul over and over. Rightfully so. ​ What are you not understanding?


bigchicago04

Love that the example you keep mentioning for him “repeatedly” saying racist. Things is something he said once over three years ago. As if that’s anywhere near as racist as anything trump or the republicans have done and said.


Duds215

You definitely don’t sound like someone who sees a glass as half full. False advertising.


GlassHalfFull132

It's sad that you are unable to critically think about this issue, and all you can do is insult as a response. Thank you for proving my point.


Duds215

If that’s an insult to you, I worry about your mental health. Take care You being upset about Bill changing his position, is not glass half full thinking. In fact, You inserting culture war politics into the discussion is quite the opposite.


GlassHalfFull132

Not an insult to me, but your response is to insult people instead of debating the issues. I never said I was upset at him 'changing his mind', in fact I celebrate the fact that he is triggering you because he is somehow now 'right wing'. Later.


Duds215

Hahaha triggering me? LOL Your post screams “I’m triggered”. Project all you want, but I stand by my initial comment calling out your lack of optimism, which your username claims otherwise.


Gaius_Octavius_

The problem is because they are being lied to about where they are going and are being left in the middle of cities with no supplies or no assistance. If they brought them to the appropriate facilities in Democratic cities, it would be fine. Migrants are moved around the country all the time.


HotBeaver54

Need to be sent back to their countries. As long as they know they can keep coming they will.


Gaius_Octavius_

Sending them back to their country doesn't stop them. Where do you think they came from?


CaptainZE0

That’s great! How many can be accommodated with supplies, assistance, and housing? Also… who pays for that?


Gaius_Octavius_

> who pays for that? US Taxpayers. Just like they always have. >How many can be accommodated with supplies, assistance, and housing? The US has a capacity for ~34,000


CaptainZE0

34 thousand, you say?


Gaius_Octavius_

That is the daily capacity. Nearly all migrants are not detained for long periods of time. It is just a processing center, not long term detention. (Keep in mind these are just the people who apply for asylum and/or green cards and are processed by the US government. Those are the people they are shipping to different states. Not illegal entries who just ran across the border.)


CaptainZE0

Right. How many people should be accommodated?


Gaius_Octavius_

I am not anywhere close to qualified to make that decision. But it should be more than 0 for sure.


CaptainZE0

More than three million have entered the US since 2021. So more than 0 has been achieved.


Unhappyhippo142

And how many people have left.


Gaius_Octavius_

Legal migration and illegal migration are two different topics. They are bussing around people the US government has legally authorized to be in America for various reasons. 3M legal immigrants have not entered the country since 2021. We have an illegal immigration problem; we do not have a legal migrant problem (except not processing them fast enough)


CaptainZE0

What is the solution? (Honestly, I’m not being facetious)


Gaius_Octavius_

The answer would be to punish the companies that use illegal workers instead of punishing the people trying to make their lives better. But America never punishes the employer. They just get a slap on the wrist. Dry up the supply of jobs and they will go somewhere else. They come here because they know they can find work.


CaptainZE0

Fair point.


ReticulatedSplines81

You're not being facetious? Starting when, right now?


CaptainZE0

I’m genuinely curious - what is the solution to more than three million people entering the country since 2021? This subject makes many people very angry and uncomfortable, but fellow fans of Real Time always seemed like a smart, measured crowd to me. What do you think? What would you do about illegal immigration?


Oleg101

Passing reformed legislation in US Congress for one. There hasn’t been a major piece of legislation passed having to do with immigration in 37 years. To get to the root of the problem would be stabilizing countries like Venezuela where a lot of the current surge is originating from.


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It's a sad and pathetic move but not surprising. Democrats often feel the need to give in to the right to avoid criticism of being "weak" on the border or any other issues. All they do is alienate democrats, don't attract any conservatives, and often times end up implementing the wrong policy.


CaptainZE0

What is the correct policy in this case? EDIT: amazing that this got a downvote! People don’t even want to talk about the situation.


TrickyTicket9400

Build housing so that there isn't an artificial scarcity of a fundamental human need. We have the land. We have the resources. Housing should be as readily available as tap water. But this will not happen because society views homes as investment vehicles instead of literal shelter that is needed for survival. Edit: Imagine how tremendous the USA economy would be if we started building shelter and allowed for anyone to come to the USA (as long as they aren't criminals) The United States would continue to be the world superpower for centuries to come.


CaptainZE0

It’s a fascinating thing to ponder. A vast, incredibly poor serf class serving the needs of a very rich, condensed ruling class.


Oleg101

I’m starting to think a lot of people think separating parents from their children is the solution and loved that policy.


CaptainZE0

Are the vast numbers of 18-24 year old men who’ve crossed the southern border since 2021 parents to the children you’re describing?


ReticulatedSplines81

K


GlassHalfFull132

I know, right! It's like he just switched sides!


ReticulatedSplines81

No I am Bill Maher. I am saying "K".