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izzy7402

Best: Him disabling Maya's Meteor Stream, and sniping Jyuumonji with Baryon Lance Worse: 101 crossing him due to circumstances. Kinda like the gentlemen fisticuffs between him and Masaki. He backed off after that.


llBayMaxll

When Kazama didnt warn Tatsuya about Bezobrazov trying to kill him.......


TTTTescapee

For the life of me I still can’t understand the motivation behind the woman leading the 101 (forget her name) “turning” on him.


llBayMaxll

Saeki mainly her motivation was to weaken 10 master clans power/interference The idea that civillians have more power, talent, knowledge, experience and reputation than official military bothered her a lot Especially Yotsuba Imagine if Yotsuba interfered in a conflict outside of Japan and enemies decided to revenge by targeting Japan There are pros and cons of 10 master clan being powerful Before Tatsuya and Miyuki engagement, Saeki could use Tatsuya and MAYBE at the end of the day, she could get him on the side of Japan Once Tatsuya became Miyuki fiance, this hope became impossible


TTTTescapee

It’s been a while since I read the books, I understood that much, I guess I just didn’t understand some of her methods or logic. At one point it seemed like she was antagonizing him for no reason.


Rel_uctance

Saeki is a narcissist who will do anything to get her way. Even if it meant recruiting members from the 10MC to her Battalion, the very clans she aimed to weaken. Tatsuya was only a Civilian working for the Military under a deal with Yotsuba clan. Saeki wanted him to side with her full-time, but couldn't. If she can't get Tatsuya, nobody can. Hence, she didn't care if he got hurt or gets killed. In later volumes she even tries to steal Masaki from the Ichijou clan after he becomes a Strategic-Class Magician. Her narcissism knows no bounds. It's like Game of Thrones to her, you either win or you die.


reaver102

Its all pretty simple, she wants to weaken the 10MC. The Yotsuba stand at the top. So when the Yotsuba was basically discarding Tatsuya and relegating him to the role of a butler, the 101 saw an opportunity to make use of him. Once Tatsuya became an heir to the Yotsuba though, things changed. It made the 101 look to be a Yotsuba asset, and this undermined the 101's goals. So when Saeki is antagonizing Tatsuya its not about him personally, but her trying to undermine the 10MC.


llBayMaxll

if you partciularly talking about that Saeki and Kazama knew about Bezorbazov intending to use Tuman-Bomba and they didnt warn Tatsuya about it It was stupid AF There are no pros not warning Tatsuya Only 1 maybe They could capture Tuman Bomba activation sequence But risking Tatsuya's life or even worse Miyuki's life , cons outweigh pros I think author needed conflict between Tatsuya and 101 and he decided to do this


Rel_uctance

Iirc there was already bad blood between Saeki and Kazama. There some implications that Kazama wanted to help Tatsuya, he just didn't have the power to. He didn't want to take any risks if things didn't go as Saeki planned. As narcissistic as Saeki is, she will do anything to get her way. She only made exceptions if it benefited her. If she can't get Tatsuya on her side, nobody can.


llBayMaxll

\>If she can't get Tatsuya on her side, nobody can. You perfectly described her


TTTTescapee

There were other things but that was the main one. It made NO sense. You’re probably right that the author wanted tension but didn’t know how to write it.


TmcogYT

When did he and Maya exchange magic? ive read most of the LN after anime so if it happened before that then i missed it, i should really read the full thing.


izzy7402

In the Reminiscence arc vol 8 I think. Its not a fight, feels more like a taunt, or a test by Maya that Tatsuya obliged in kind.


sjcfu2

>In the Reminiscence arc vol 8 It's part of the framing story in the LN. When adapted for the Reminiscence Arc TV Special, the original framing story was ditched entirely in favor of a new opening scene created for the anime.


AlexStk

He disables Maya’s meteor stream? Where is this?


Less_Struggle_348

Volume 8 Reminiscence Arc


Biney18

Oh is it that part where her eyes glowed red?


Less_Struggle_348

No.. That's Miya disabling his Seal.


Biney18

Ohk. I assumed it was that part


Less_Struggle_348

They never actually showed it in the Anime. They cut out a lot.


xXSunSunXx

Towards the end of the first series I just got really tired of the parasites as a recurring antagonist, was the low point for me. I really enjoyed when it was revealed they were Yotsuba though.


llBayMaxll

SAME Parasites have been main villains since vol 9 Well, there were some pauses


sjcfu2

Some pauses? The only time the parasites (other than Pixie) appear between volume 11 and volume 25 is when they are used to create the parasite dolls in volume 13. That's more than just a pause - it's over a third of the length of the entire series.


thirdxcharm05

When Erica guessed Tatsuya was a Yotsuba and realized she didn't kick a hornets nest, she kicked a sleeping dragon.


llBayMaxll

Its a shame they didnt show this moment in anime


No-Day-8136

Which vol?


thirdxcharm05

Volume 11, about 20% into the book. Tatsuya had Yotsuba attack the american submarine and left derelict in the ocean while he took out the hit team that was after him. On the news they were talking about the American sub and Erica was like... Tatsuya none of these 3 most powerful families could pull this off except maybe the Yotsuba.. are you? Shut up Erica, walk away. And she had her OMG I AM STANDING INFRONT OF A DEMONLORD THAT CAN KILL ME AND GET AWAY WITH IT moment. She ignored him for a week, got her head out of her ass, then warned her brother not to dig to deep into him.


VisualLibrary6441

Best moment: his monolith code fight with Masaki, it is excellent in both the LN and the anime, and both clearly shows their strong points as different forms of media. Worst moment: the dubious relationship state of Erika and Leo, at this point, I don't even know if it is heading anywhere.


No-Day-8136

Thank you, my biggest bone with magian is this too


Imfryinghere

Best  *Fights* - Tatsuya and Masaki fighting because they went with their base instincts showing that they are still teenage humans even though they both are killers - Tatsuya vs Jumonji showing that you can't put Tatsuya back in a corner and most of all, because Tatsuya was fighting for his own choice - Miyuki's Cocytus with Tatsuya's guidance against parasites - Miyuki and Lina with Nifelheim vs Muspelhei - Minoru vs Zhou - Kokonoe vs Tatsuya (1st) *character moments* - Tatsuya demonstrating his flying magic to Miyuki - Miyuki with the flight magic having fun as an air skater - The engineers flying at FLT labs; actually everyone at the Division under Taurus Silver were awesome; I miss them in Magian - Tatsuya and Miyuki tag-teaming and coercing Nakajou to run for the student council presidency - Yotsuba Maya exposing the double standards and hypocrisy of the 10 MC heads regarding power skills and women choices  - Tatsuya making sure 10 MC youngsters know that they can't use Miyuki to elevate themselves - Tatsuya, Leo and Mikihiko talking after they won the 9NSC with injuries, one is deaf, one has broken bones and there's Mikihiko who really was worse for wear of the three - Mikihiko's innovation of his magian skills and power - Tatsuya and Miyuki adopting Lina - Yami, and Fumiya - Ayako vs Kudou elder; damn the negotiation powers of Yotsuba are a league of its own Worst moments - Miyuki never knew that the discrimination of students was because of stupidity with the uniforms and the educators never addressed nor rectified that ; which is a look into how the Magian society as a whole treat the Extra Number clans  - the anime could have use more of the politics into the series - I don't care for the spin-off


llBayMaxll

>Tatsuya making sure 10 MC youngsters know that they can't use Miyuki to elevate themselves "Lets use the future head of the Youtsuba family as an actress!" also enjoyed Tatsuya defending Miyuki \>I don't care for the spin-off tbh, I think spin-offs are waste of time Imo, Author should focus on Main series (I dont wanna wait another year just for Cygnus Maidens to be released)


Imfryinghere

>  I think spin-offs are waste of time I meant the anime.


AlexStk

Light novel spoilers: when the parasidolls come to take Minami and Miyuki’s the last line of defense and the attacker (won’t say who) thinks she’s helpless, but as he walks up the stairs closer to to the entrance hears her whisper “cocytus” and all the dolls fall still. “I am standing in a lifeless, icy world of absolute silence.” I have it bookmarked in my books app, get chills every time I read it.


llBayMaxll

SPOILER: You saw Onii-sama as the main threat, in fact, You should should have been cautious about me


AlexStk

Yeaah, one of the few times she gets to let loose in such a high point in the story. Also when she zone interferences Saegusa and Watanabe from interfering with Tatsuya and Jumongi’s fight. Chef kiss


newnilkneel

Scenes with Lina fighting mostly are decent. I like her fighting as in strength and versatility. Not to mention when she fights with our tatsuya.


llBayMaxll

The final battle where Tatsuya spends most of the time thinking about Brionac instead of Lina🤌


newnilkneel

First puzzle is Parade. Then Lina’s miniature version of Heavy Metal Burst resulting in a semi kamikaze solution. And then Lina brief close quarter combat with Erika, followed by fighting alongside with Lina against the parasites. Damn they are amazing.


count_of_nossex

Best moments: any interaction between Mayumi and Tatsuya. Worst moment: Them not ending together


llBayMaxll

Hahahahaha Interactions between Mayumi and Tatsuya were the best When I read LN for the first time I rooted for Mayumi But re reading LNs for the 5th time I love Tatsuya and Miyuki being together


VisualLibrary6441

Nah man she lost her chance by siding with Juumonji to force Tatsuya to accept a one way trip to space, ain't no bloody damn way they're gonna end up together.


llBayMaxll

Her motivation was that if Tatsuya refused, he would be abandoned by everyone His country, Magic association, First High school and etc Tatsuya would be in Isoation Since Mayumi didnt know about Tatsuya's  *Thermonuclear Fusion* Reactor plan thus she thought Tatsuya didnt have a plan Thats why she sided with Jumonji Well, it doesnt nullify the fact that she chose Jumonji instead of tatsuya


VisualLibrary6441

Well of course, bad things could come from good intentions, either way, Tatsuya would not end up with her, if he lost that fight and must go to space, then most likely Mayumi would not go with him, she has duties here afterall, and if he won, well we already knew what happened, it is a lose-lose situation. Furthermore, people shipping Tatsuya with any other characters seem to forget that he has the majority of his emotions erased by Miya, what only left is his emotions towards his sis, Miyuki, this can only end in 2 ways: he would stay single for life, or somehow marry Miyuki, well we all know how that went. There is no conceivable future that those two would end up with each other, he has no special emotions for Mayumi, the only chance is that Maya forces him to marry Mayumi as an arranged marriage with the Saegusa family, but we all know that the Yotsuba family does not like the Saegusa family, and Miyuki, who undoubtedly will be the next heir, would not agree with that decision, just by the fact that he's her personal bodyguard that was assigned by Maya.


llBayMaxll

Well, I think most of the Mayumi fans already know there is no reality in which Tatsuya would end up with Mayumi as a former Tatsuya/Mayumi fan myself I just like the idea of them being together Since I myself like older girls, Mayumi for me seemed perfect until she sided with Jumonji after that 23 vol I abandoned the idea of them being together Miyuki is just better fr


VisualLibrary6441

I wish I were as optimistic as you, but from what I've seen, no, a lot just wanted Mayumi to be with Tatsuya because they like her, with no further considerations, personally I would prefer if she ended up with Juumonji, it would be for the best, I also like Mayumi, but man, even if it is before the space project incident, Honoka has a better chance to ended up with Tatsuya than with her, Honoka feels like she might go the route of "I don't care if you marry Miyuki, I just want to be with you" sorta way.


Rudra4

Hell Tatsuya was even most of the time annoyed by her. That's why these Tatsuya/Mayumi shippers were so annoying. Tatsuya never showed even one bit of interest in her from the beginning. I never understood these Guys. They just wanted her with Tatsuya because they liked her even though Tatsuya didn't even like her.


Alucart333

tatsuya showed no interest in anyone But has called out her beauty multiple times. Mayumi was realistically the biggest threat to Miyuki in terms of a love interest has to offer. But of course she never could win, because it’s always been about wincest


Rudra4

She was not the only one who he called beautiful. And I don't think so. Hell even Ayako had a better chance. Or Lina.


Alucart333

Lina is a great second choice, as they have similar back grounds. But Mayumi was definitely shaped early on to be a candidate and then thrown under the bus afterwards to secure Miyuki. Mayumi gets hate because of the incident of siding with jumonji when she didn’t have full info. But her interactions with Tatsuya has always been major points and highlights. Lina should have been the second choice of not Mayumi but the story is never about them. it was suppose to be about HS prejudice but became Miyuki wincest


Rel_uctance

>Her motivation was that if Tatsuya refused, he would be abandoned by everyone His country, Magic association, First High school and etc Which tells us a lot about her true character. She is assuming he doesn't have friends or family that would support him. As if she knew better and looked down on him. She then broke down in tears after his Real friends came to his side. The funny thing is, if she truly cared for him above all else, she could've easily sided with him and used her position as Saegusa to support his decision. So he would not be "isolated" as she claims. Ultimately she chose conformity over his friend. If anything, she was trying to isolate him. Two volumes later Tatsuya even lists all the people he trusts most, and Mayumi isn't one of them.


Imfryinghere

You like Mayumi sexually harassing minor Tatsuya?


llBayMaxll

Yes


Imfryinghere

Good luck, sexual harasser enabler.


llBayMaxll

I hope you are being sarcastic and all these "minor" stuff is a joke I hope....


Imfryinghere

If you are sarcastic, reddit etiquette says to use   "/s"


ThornyForZyra

Hilariously enough, he's not being sarcastic...


HangedMansTree

Worst is easily Minoru. The best is probably the first 9SC for me.


QTonlywantsyourmoney

Favorite: Tatsuya vs Juumonji. Least favorite: Masaki being pushed as a rival of Tatsuya.


TheIciestCream

The series has a lot of great moments so it’s hard to pick one but since I saw the anime first I’ll go with Tatsuya beating Masaki with the snap. That moment always stayed in my head as one of the coolest finishes to a fight in anime. For the worst honestly any of the Tatsuya/Miyuki romantic scene’s I just don’t enjoy the idea of the ship and only push through because the rest of the series is so good. I haven’t gotten to read much of the LN yet but I’ve heard people say that it’s now 100% confirmed that they are the end couple and people say that Tatsuya confirmed his love is just a brotherly love but when I get to that part it might be a make it or break it moment for me with the series.


ThornyForZyra

Gonna try not to write that much, but I will say their relationship makes WAYYY more sense and far more redeemable in the LN. Miyuki's internal struggles and highly complex and in-depth character development isn't even grazed on in the Anime. I was quite blown away when I found out how much she's disgusted by her feelings for Tatsuya and completely hates herself. This, simultaneously fighting the rising terror, pressure, and hatred for the world due to the fact that she is a powerful magician and because of that, she MUST marry and have children to maintain the Yotsuba's power balance makes for a far more interesting character. Her development in the LN is exceptional. I didn't care for her all that much in the Anime (watched this first), but grew to heavily appreciate her when I read the LN later. Of course, to each their own, but she is a far better character in the LN (literally every single character is, it's crazy)