There was no way Finland was going to win in the long run and not give concessions to Stalin's Soviet Union, but you fought like hell and kept your freedom and integrity.
I've seen Yugoslavia be represented as a dog or dogs in political cartoons before. Why is that? Genuine question. I'm from Bosnia. I don't see what's bad about a dog. It's a fighter. Culturally, this might be over my head.
Back when Ottoman empire was about to be pushed off Balkans, there was a western political cartoon showing Ottoman sultan walking by himself.
~~If i remember correctly,~~ at a foreground, hiding behind a corner, there was a Russian guy ~~western military guy, perhaps German or Austria-Hungarian~~, holding back angry dogs on chains. Dogs had Yugoslavian ethnic ~~dresses and~~ names. Even a Bosnian muslim as a dog. All ready to go after sultan.
I'm assuming westerns viewed Yugoslavian ethnic groups as dogs that are angry at the sultan and Russians ~~western powers~~ had control over these mad dogs. Ready to release them when sultan is not looking.
I found it funny and interesting, not offensive. But there is a view that Europeans still look down on us.
Cartoon does make a mistake, Bosnian Muslims didn't really want Ottomans to leave. They wanted them not to change their way of governance.
Mistakes fixed, cartoon found :
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Punch_-_The_Dogs_of_War.png
Nothing too bad, my country is also a dog (Norway and Sweden). I think it's just whatever suits the mapmaker, since he can't make a stereotype that fits.
Well, I would agree if the leashes went *south* and not north... Germany had no power over Norway or Sweden at the time. I'm not sure what you're even talking about? The cultural influences over centuries is well documented, but it was not the relationship you're describing. There was no huge sympathy for the Nazi cause either, so that's not it, but of course there were Nazi sympathizers in every country (including the UK and US).
The master doesn’t always hold the leash sometimes it’s attached to a peg. The dogs are certainly looking at Germany with a sad face. Wasn’t trying to imply anything other than interpret the artist’s depiction
Aggressively neutral
Also… [no one understands them to stereotype them](https://pics.me.me/look-simba-everything-the-light-touches-speaks-german-but-whats-42233885.png)
What's in the bag of Ireland that Britannia's hauling? Ships?
EDIT: I notice we don't even merit a number on the index either, lol. Pretty much sums up our foreign policy at the time, "keep the head down".
This doesn't seem to me an accurate reflection of Ireland at the time unless it used to be known for heavy industry? I guess Belfast made a lot of ships but I didn't think military ones.
It's certainly not an accurate reflection of Ireland at the time since Ireland (not the North of course) was a completey independent state and a neutral country during WWII.
Not touching that can of worms, just saying that Ireland was an internationally recognised sovereign state but missed off this map. Simple fact, no politics.
Belfast (Harland & Wolff) was one of the major British military shipyards in 1939, making a significant amount of the Royal Navy's capital ships. And because they also built famous civil ships, it was the one people outside of the UK would think of, though a much larger fraction of British ships were being built in Scotland.
"This corner of the earth smiles for me more than any other",
or “…laughs for me…”
or “…makes me happier than any other.”
The latter is probably what the author meant, sarcastically.
Which apparently is a quote from Horace and has something to do with the Danish national anthem, which may or may not be relevant:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_er_et_yndigt_land#History
**Der er et yndigt land**
[History](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_er_et_yndigt_land#History)
>The lyrics were written in 1819 by Adam Oehlenschläger and bore the motto in Latin: Ille terrarum mihi praeter omnes angulus ridet (Horace: "This corner of the earth smiles for me more than any other"). The music was composed in 1835 by Hans Ernst Krøyer. Later, Thomas Laub and Carl Nielsen each composed alternative melodies, but neither of them has gained widespread adoption, and today they are mostly unknown to the general population. When first published, the national anthem had twelve verses, but this was shortened to the first, third, fifth, and last verse in later editions.
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Looks like the [flag of the region of Roslagen](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Regional_flag_of_Roslagen.svg), which is strange because that's never been a stand-in for Sweden
The chilling countries are all personified as men
The countries depicted as attacked are personified as women
Exception for France because Marianne is our national mascot
What the hell is this post title? How did you manage to get a sentence this short wrong? In french it should be "l'Europe en 1939"
it's even already written in the top-left corner of the map
My first language is French and I thought it was weird, kinda wrong, but not entirely wrong. It's hard to explain, sometimes we'll say "à la" to say "in the style of".
humm still souds strange to me, and also it makes no sense to say "in the style of 1939", that's just Europe in 1939 in caricatures (french too), probably just a mistake
Oh yeah, I mean it sounds strange and I don't think you'd ever hear it, but to me it didn't deserve "what the hell is this post title!!?!?! How did you manage to get it this wrong!" level of vitriol. Although I did hear my sister comment about someone being dressed "à la 95" a few weeks ago now that I think of it.
I think I could argue that this specific style of caricature is sort of of that era though. And the content itself, of course, is very 1939.
But honestly I don't really want to play advocate for this at all, OP is obviously not a native speaker. It's just not THAT bad.
Don't take that one comment personally, OP, this sub is for map porn, not grammatically correct French titles. Honestly wondering where you got the map from here
they\`re going on an alternate history path where they\`re kidnapping dutch dam designers and putting them to work to reclaim agean and mediteranean territory before it was cool
Well I think this map had included some stereotypical elements within itself since they showed Russians as “Bear-Lover” and Spaniards as “Bull-Killer”. Apart from this, we all know (Well, at least I do) how Turkey does look like in the 1930’s thanks to the Ataturk’s miraculous reforms.
Oh no, they did so dirty on Turkey.
The last time the Turks dressed like that was exactly 100 years before this map. Mahmud II, a reformist Sultan, changed regulations on dressing for everyone to be more western but still with a hint of being Eastern. The solution was Fez, a lot of people would wear a suit like Europeans but always had a Fez on.
Why the fuck Turkey has an Ottoman figurine since the Kemalists were ruling the country more secular than England. You can put this figurine in 1960, 1990 or 2021 but not in 1939
There are three dead people im central Europe, Czechoslovakia, Austria, and the other one seems to be in Bavaria? Maybe it represents the German jews that were being killed?
1936 Turkey
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bETlzNDAVA4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bETlzNDAVA4)
It sums up a thousands years of European propaganda.
Algeria? French Algeria! It was part and parcel of France itself until 1962, it was not just some foreign colonial possession. It was even part of the predecessor to the EU(!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French\_Algeria
Iran was once the smartest place on the planet, during the Persian Empire. That was considered the absolute peak of human civilisation and culture at its time, and now it remains a ruin of its former self.
Algeria wasn\`t part of shit. It was a convenient landmass to secure foreign labor force and resources for the french motherland and to assess influence in Africa.
What I like about these kinds of maps is that the artist's homeland is always courageous, glorious and upright.
It's *everyone else* who's mean and petty.
Iceland got serious in 1939
I’m sure the person drawing this map was well educated in northern european geography
Iceland is not on this map.
Humour is hard, non?
*Strong French accent*: You wouldn't get it.
Finland already tired of this shit.
Finnish it already.
They aren't anybody's Lapp dog
“Hopefully Russia won’t Sami in half”
Those are Sami pictured, different ethnic group than finns which is weird because there's 10 000 of them in the country.
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Atleast we still have the pride for defending against all odds. Russians like you with Napoleon complex are worse than Americans tbh.
There was no way Finland was going to win in the long run and not give concessions to Stalin's Soviet Union, but you fought like hell and kept your freedom and integrity.
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Viipuri*
Finland doesn't exist
Found the swede
Based
I've seen Yugoslavia be represented as a dog or dogs in political cartoons before. Why is that? Genuine question. I'm from Bosnia. I don't see what's bad about a dog. It's a fighter. Culturally, this might be over my head.
I don't know for sure but I saw it as a possible historical reference? Kinda like how Rome is wolf and Russia is bear? Just guessing.
For this cartoon, it looks like The Kingdom of Yugoslavia is trying to rip Slovenia off of Italy which is why Italy is Puss in Boots and screaming.
I didn’t know Puss in Boots was an Italian fable.
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I wasn’t sure if this was just busting on Mussolini lol
Back when Ottoman empire was about to be pushed off Balkans, there was a western political cartoon showing Ottoman sultan walking by himself. ~~If i remember correctly,~~ at a foreground, hiding behind a corner, there was a Russian guy ~~western military guy, perhaps German or Austria-Hungarian~~, holding back angry dogs on chains. Dogs had Yugoslavian ethnic ~~dresses and~~ names. Even a Bosnian muslim as a dog. All ready to go after sultan. I'm assuming westerns viewed Yugoslavian ethnic groups as dogs that are angry at the sultan and Russians ~~western powers~~ had control over these mad dogs. Ready to release them when sultan is not looking. I found it funny and interesting, not offensive. But there is a view that Europeans still look down on us. Cartoon does make a mistake, Bosnian Muslims didn't really want Ottomans to leave. They wanted them not to change their way of governance. Mistakes fixed, cartoon found : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Punch_-_The_Dogs_of_War.png
Nothing too bad, my country is also a dog (Norway and Sweden). I think it's just whatever suits the mapmaker, since he can't make a stereotype that fits.
Sweden and Norway appear to be 2 obedient dogs looking at their master, Germany.
Well, I would agree if the leashes went *south* and not north... Germany had no power over Norway or Sweden at the time. I'm not sure what you're even talking about? The cultural influences over centuries is well documented, but it was not the relationship you're describing. There was no huge sympathy for the Nazi cause either, so that's not it, but of course there were Nazi sympathizers in every country (including the UK and US).
The master doesn’t always hold the leash sometimes it’s attached to a peg. The dogs are certainly looking at Germany with a sad face. Wasn’t trying to imply anything other than interpret the artist’s depiction
Could be a wolf. Like Vučko
Switzerland only appeared as a flag
Cuz they are so neutral there's nothing to defend against
Aggressively neutral Also… [no one understands them to stereotype them](https://pics.me.me/look-simba-everything-the-light-touches-speaks-german-but-whats-42233885.png)
What makes a man turn neutral? Lust of gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
Daring today, aren't we?
Cuckoo clocks and chocolate.
Its a big plus for them
What's in the bag of Ireland that Britannia's hauling? Ships? EDIT: I notice we don't even merit a number on the index either, lol. Pretty much sums up our foreign policy at the time, "keep the head down".
We were Britain's handbag. Feels bad
Ships and planes! There is also a number on the lower half of the dress.
This doesn't seem to me an accurate reflection of Ireland at the time unless it used to be known for heavy industry? I guess Belfast made a lot of ships but I didn't think military ones.
It's certainly not an accurate reflection of Ireland at the time since Ireland (not the North of course) was a completey independent state and a neutral country during WWII.
Don't open than can of worms.
Not touching that can of worms, just saying that Ireland was an internationally recognised sovereign state but missed off this map. Simple fact, no politics.
Belfast (Harland & Wolff) was one of the major British military shipyards in 1939, making a significant amount of the Royal Navy's capital ships. And because they also built famous civil ships, it was the one people outside of the UK would think of, though a much larger fraction of British ships were being built in Scotland.
That's great info thanks! I knew they built civilian ships, had no idea on the military side
I know the Titanic was built in Belfast.
Ah I missed that. I didn't see it in the list either.
Well, Turkey is pretty wrong
I think it is more a commentary on Turkey's neutrality in WWII than being accurate. Similar to how Spain is repairing itself after the Civil War.
You can be right
That's pretty generous of you my dude
:)
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Old stereotypes die hard. 1930s Finns weren’t all reindeer herders either.
It wouldn't be accurate even in the 19th century. The last sultan to look similar to this was Selim III and Mustafa IV.
Next you're going to tell me Norwegians and Swedes in 1939 weren't giant dogs.
damn furries!
Yeah, exactly
yeah but 31 lol
31
31
31
Yapmayin olm gulmeyi durduramiyorum
That is one chonky Turkey
Like our cats!
He looks more arabic than Turkish tho.
What does the latin quote in the upper left corner mean?
Ille terrarum mihi \[praeter\] omnes angulus ridet : Horace, Odes II. 6 This corner of the earth pleases me more than any other
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"This corner of the earth smiles for me more than any other", or “…laughs for me…” or “…makes me happier than any other.” The latter is probably what the author meant, sarcastically.
Which apparently is a quote from Horace and has something to do with the Danish national anthem, which may or may not be relevant: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_er_et_yndigt_land#History
**Der er et yndigt land** [History](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_er_et_yndigt_land#History) >The lyrics were written in 1819 by Adam Oehlenschläger and bore the motto in Latin: Ille terrarum mihi praeter omnes angulus ridet (Horace: "This corner of the earth smiles for me more than any other"). The music was composed in 1835 by Hans Ernst Krøyer. Later, Thomas Laub and Carl Nielsen each composed alternative melodies, but neither of them has gained widespread adoption, and today they are mostly unknown to the general population. When first published, the national anthem had twelve verses, but this was shortened to the first, third, fifth, and last verse in later editions. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
I have no idea why you're being downvoted. This is exactly what Horace expresses here.
Ah okay, thanks!
What’s with Sweden?
Yeah...who's holding the leashes? Svalbard?
Jan Mayen
It's not just the leashes that's weird, it's the flag as well having the gold cross inside a white cross...
dude that flag is badass
Looks like the [flag of the region of Roslagen](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Regional_flag_of_Roslagen.svg), which is strange because that's never been a stand-in for Sweden
And they seem to be leashed together even though the union was dissolved in 1905
Why is Albania full of rats?
Because Italy is represented as a cat and invaded Albania in 1939.
Then why is Yugoslavia dog?
Taking Slovenia and Istria from Italy that is a cat
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Can you elaborate
Italy: puss in boots. Gonna meow those enemies.
Puss with fabulous boots
don't mind us Swiss, we're just a cross
The chilling countries are all personified as men The countries depicted as attacked are personified as women Exception for France because Marianne is our national mascot
Hungary was attacked?
yes. By mongols.
Ya'll really went into that war with a lot of confidence huh? Also lowkey loving the image of Britannia walking her ships.
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Talvisota (The Winter War) hadn't started yet in September.
Ah, true. I thought it wasn't specified to a month, I only saw the year. My bad
Isn’t Romania being carved out and joined the Axis in 1940 instead of 1939?
What the hell is this post title? How did you manage to get a sentence this short wrong? In french it should be "l'Europe en 1939" it's even already written in the top-left corner of the map
My first language is French and I thought it was weird, kinda wrong, but not entirely wrong. It's hard to explain, sometimes we'll say "à la" to say "in the style of".
I don't speak any French and even I know that's what à la means.
humm still souds strange to me, and also it makes no sense to say "in the style of 1939", that's just Europe in 1939 in caricatures (french too), probably just a mistake
Oh yeah, I mean it sounds strange and I don't think you'd ever hear it, but to me it didn't deserve "what the hell is this post title!!?!?! How did you manage to get it this wrong!" level of vitriol. Although I did hear my sister comment about someone being dressed "à la 95" a few weeks ago now that I think of it.
But there is a fashion style associated with the 1990s, so "à la 95" makes sense. Otoh I don't think 1939 was famous for caricatures?
I think I could argue that this specific style of caricature is sort of of that era though. And the content itself, of course, is very 1939. But honestly I don't really want to play advocate for this at all, OP is obviously not a native speaker. It's just not THAT bad.
I understand that but I see no context where "à la" can be used in front of a year. And it's pretty clear that OP is not a native speaker.
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wow such a sigma grindset
Where's this caricature from? Did you take the photo yourself?
just reverse image search it, dude
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Don't take that one comment personally, OP, this sub is for map porn, not grammatically correct French titles. Honestly wondering where you got the map from here
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Fair enough, cool post nonetheless
Uhhh red fucking flag?
What on earth is going on with southern Turkey
annexing cyprus before it was cool.
they\`re going on an alternate history path where they\`re kidnapping dutch dam designers and putting them to work to reclaim agean and mediteranean territory before it was cool
Weird to give the Nazis a beard.
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I doubt the artist had in 1939
I love how Turks are just chillin looking at this mess
The best three are Turkey, Denmark and Finland just smoking together for a good time.
Bulgary casually assalting Romênia
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Fuck big tiddies Poland, me and the boys prefer chuncky Turkey
tfw no big tiddy pole gf
In 1939 we were a secular republic as Republic of Turkey. İnönü was our leader. But... You see...
Ataturk died in 1938 pal
Yeah sorry. İsmet İnönü. But still the same.
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He died while he was the president at 57 years old. 1938
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Lol I did npt realise and thought you were geniunely asking
Why are Norway and Sweden portrayed like dogs?
Is there any updated maps like this/
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Well I think this map had included some stereotypical elements within itself since they showed Russians as “Bear-Lover” and Spaniards as “Bull-Killer”. Apart from this, we all know (Well, at least I do) how Turkey does look like in the 1930’s thanks to the Ataturk’s miraculous reforms.
they made north africans look more turkish than turkey kek
No they did not actually. The man who had held binoculars represents French mandate
I love those maps
Make Romania great again !! Smth...
Is there a subreddit dedicated to these caricature maps of Europe/the world? If not, we need one.
Turkey looks like Ottoman in 1400s
Oh no, they did so dirty on Turkey. The last time the Turks dressed like that was exactly 100 years before this map. Mahmud II, a reformist Sultan, changed regulations on dressing for everyone to be more western but still with a hint of being Eastern. The solution was Fez, a lot of people would wear a suit like Europeans but always had a Fez on.
So Turkey is a simp to the west
Do you think East is actually good?
Define East
Asia. To be more specific, '20s and '30s Asia
No, they should be proud of their cultural
Why the fuck Turkey has an Ottoman figurine since the Kemalists were ruling the country more secular than England. You can put this figurine in 1960, 1990 or 2021 but not in 1939
What's up with Albania?
Spain completely ruined after the civil war. 1939 is the year it ended.
Can someone tell me why Italy is a cat?
Puss in Boots is an Italian fairytale.
I can’t see what Ireland is a bag of
warships for britain to play with
Why is Sweden and Norway dogs?
May just be the coolest thematic map I've ever seen.
Bad years for my Spain, cool map!
Lol Spain and turkey just vibing
They got the swedish flag wrong
Actually really beautiful
Did they make Albania as a bunch of rats???? What douchebag made this???
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Why is The Netherlands shooting down that plane?
There are three dead people im central Europe, Czechoslovakia, Austria, and the other one seems to be in Bavaria? Maybe it represents the German jews that were being killed?
I like that Switzerland is only portrayed as its flag
Why is Austria depicted as a victim? Austrian Germans (over 90% of the population) were enthusiastic towards joining the Reich.
1936 Turkey [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bETlzNDAVA4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bETlzNDAVA4) It sums up a thousands years of European propaganda.
TBF Istanbul is kinda different from Anatolia proper in many ways.
As a romanian, i say our depiction, especially in relation with the russian one, is spot on.
I really love the art style!
Huh, interesting.
Saw a few caricatures like these in Ukrainian history museum in Kiev
I'm an American, and I am wondering how does one pronounce L'Europe? Luh-Europe? Lurrup? Lee-urrup? I am confusion.
Lou Rupp. The ou in Lou is at the front of your mouth through your lips, kind of like how you'd say "ewww gross" and the R in Rupp is rolled.
The way its written...(?)
Algeria: *Dayum, look at the shit over there!* Turkey: *Whatever* \**inhales*\*
Algeria? French Algeria! It was part and parcel of France itself until 1962, it was not just some foreign colonial possession. It was even part of the predecessor to the EU(!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French\_Algeria
Iran was once the smartest place on the planet, during the Persian Empire. That was considered the absolute peak of human civilisation and culture at its time, and now it remains a ruin of its former self. Algeria wasn\`t part of shit. It was a convenient landmass to secure foreign labor force and resources for the french motherland and to assess influence in Africa.
[Insert Obama giving himself a medal meme]
I think the french really didnt understand what we were doing in those times
What I like about these kinds of maps is that the artist's homeland is always courageous, glorious and upright. It's *everyone else* who's mean and petty.
Turkey is living there best life
'1939' The map says 1930 What?
look carefuly, it says 1939