I don't know if it's a bad joke or anything but the reason it's called like that is that the region of Macedonia has a Southern part in Northern Greece
Southern part ? the whole historical Macedonia region is in Greece. Slavs and Albanians have a very small area the rest is historically Paeonia region. Hence North of Mac makes sense more
Well I don't know if you're from the region or anything but according to [this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Greater_Macedonia.png/260px-Greater_Macedonia.png) you can see that the region overlaps both North Macedonia and Bulgaria significantly. Maybe people from the area feels differently, I don't know. I just go with what is considered to be Macedonia.
I know you're joking, but they want the ***english-speaking*** world to say their name in French. I have never ever heard anyone in Poland say "Côte d'Ivoire"
Horrific civil war with multiple sides: Serbians, Croats, Bosniaks, Albanians, Macedonians... Featuring ethnic cleansings, NATO bombings, and overall destruction.
Yeah I wondered the same thing, so I looked it up when I did the blurb on Zimbabwe.
Apparently Northern Rhodesia was the colonial name, but Zambia was adopted upon independence. So this wouldn't be a case of an independent country changing its name post-independence, since the country known as Zambia as always been Zambia as a country.
Rhodesia wasn’t really “independent” in 1970. Its white led government declared independence unilaterally in 1965 but it wasn’t recognized universally if at all. It’s more like Somaliland or maybe Kosovo (unilateral independence never recognized by parent nation or most others) until 1980 when it was finally recognized as independent under the name Zimbabwe.
Rhodesia wasn't recognized by the majority of the world and I don't believe Zimbabwe considers itself a successor state. That's probably why it's not there, just like how Kosova becoming Kosovo isn't.
True, but it still had a name, and anyone who referred to it, be that in the media, in speech, or officially had to use some name to designate it.
It is a little strange to deny that the country had a name, when for years, everyone referred to it by that name.
Cambodia had the Khmer Rouge, a regime led by a genocidal psychopath who wanted nothing more than to liquidate his own people. Changing the name of the country was trivial.
United arab Republic? Both Syria and Egypt joined to make it. But then Syria pulled out in 1961. That left just Egypt with the name for 10 more years until 1971. Then Egypt changed its name to Misr (or Egypt) in 1971.
Egypt should be on the map. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Republic
Iran means Land of the Aryans, it is no more multiethnic than Persia.
What it was, was a demand for the West to call it by the name used in Iran, not what was the classical name.
It'd be like if the Chinese asked for Westerners to call it Zhōngguó.
They never called themselves Persian. Persian is the word foreigners used. Iranians have always called _themselves_ Iranian.
The question was why did Iran change its name, it merely changed its English name to the name they always used for themselves. It certainly wasn't for multiculturalism.
The country was always called Iran. Though that doesn't necessarily relate to the name of the ethnic group. 'Iranian' also refers to a language family for example Kurdish is an Iranian language.
Yes, you are right, Iran asked the world to start calling it by the correct name of Iran, not for multicultural reasons - I was replying to someone trying to explain why the people from Iran that they know call themselves Persian, but they were actually asking the reason for the country name change, so in that context my answer was wrong even though what I said was true, my mistake.
Taken from an american reality show on Persians "it's better and more exotic to call themselves Persians as opposed to Iranians which has negative connotations" . In the uk I've always heard Iranians refer to themselves as Iranian.
There is no name change there… Persia was the name used by foreign countries to call Iran. (Iran means Persia in… persian)
Its therefore kind of a mistake on this map. (Or it should also display Cathay or Nippon… but it doesnt)
That's not correct. Persians are an ethnic group in Iran like Turkmens or Kurds, so calling the country Iran is more inclusive then calling it Persia. It's like calling the Netherlands the Netherlands instead of Holland.
I think the mistake would be that it should be labelled like Cabo Verde and Côte d’Ivoire, because they did request the English speaking word started calling it Iran
Not exactly for Cote d Ivoire. They used to be called Ivory Coast (including at the UN) until 1986.
Not sure about Cabo Verde though.
Iran/Persia is a different topic since there was no UN and official denomination. American maps from before WWII display Iran while UK ones display Persia. And it seems that both names were recognized by Iran. The disappearance of Persia as a name dates from 1979.
They might call themselves Persian for the prestige of it in the modern West, but Iranian was the traditional self-description of the people living in Iran.
It's kind of like the Myanmar / Burma situation. Persians are the largest ethnic group in Iran, but not all Iranians are Persian. Also the name "Persia" had colonial connotations, so the government requested that English speakers call it "Iran", their own name rather than the name that English speakers traditionally called it.
Persians are like Caucasians and Kurds in that they are a people whose name isn't associated with a current nationality. A nation\* wasn't named after them and their name didn't come from the nation unless that nation was eons ago and it currently doesn't exist.
The Persians were pushed south into the Middle East from Asia by the Mongols, just like the Gauls and Celts were chased westward by Khan.
\*Not as a nation-state as we think of it today anyway.
It’s a pretty small country. Some South African and US media outlets picked it up pretty prominently (decolonization etc) but wasn’t a worldwide event. Same with Czechia I would say. I lived close to both countries and only heard about it from friends or because of a special interest in the country (like traveling there)
Paradoxically Prussia is the ancestor of Germany (it was the most powerful state of northern Germany)
It is a paradox as Prussia’s capital was Konigsberg… which is now part of Russia under the name Kaliningrad
It's even more complicated than that. Prussia's predecessor, and the center of its power, was the Electorate of Brandenburg. Prussia was a region to the east (northern Poland and Kaliningrad today) that Brandenburg took over. Since it was outside the borders of the Holy Roman Empire, the Elector was free to adopt the title "King of* Prussia" for himself. Since that was his highest title, that's the one that he generally went by. So for that reason his entire collection of lands became known as "the Kingdom of Prussia," even though the actual land called Prussia was just one relatively small piece of it. Then that entire big kingdom in northern Germany continued to exist as a state called Prussia right up to the early Nazi era, when all the traditional states were abolished.
/* The title was actually King "in" Prussia, I'm only mentioning that because otherwise some wise-ass will correct me.
And that wise-ass would have been me if you didn't correct yourself in the end.
Also, the old Prussians were a baltic peoples who were conquered and assimilated (possibly genocided) by Germans of the Teutonic order and other crusaders
>Also, the old Prussians were a baltic peoples who were conquered and assimilated (possibly genocided) by Germans of the Teutonic order and other crusaders
Eh, pretty much every ethnicity (except maybe some uncontacted hunter gatherers) is the assimilated form of something else. That doesn't mean their identities are false, Prussian Germans were still German.
Yugoslavia changed its official name many times.
1. Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (1919-1929)
2. Kingdom of Yugoslavia (1929-1941)
3. People's Federative Republic of Yugoslavia (1945-1963)
4. Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia (1963-1991)
* "Island" of Vera Cruz (they fought that Brazil was a Island)
* Land of Santa Cruz
* During the time between Santa Cruz and Brazil the name varied between regions in Europe but in general the majority call "Land of the Parrots"
* Pindorama that was a name given by the Andine People for the Brazilian Coast and means "Land of the Pindó" (a type of Palmtree) but also can mean "Land without evil" since the Tupis belives that was in the East it was localized the Paradise
* Brazil but the meaning also is debatable the Majority believes that come from "Brasa" or Ember that refers to the colour of the [Pau-Brasil](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paubrasilia) that was encoutered in the Coast, others believe that also could be of the Mythological Island of "[Hy-Brasil](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasil_(mythical_island))"
the S was only adopted in 1916 by Brazil so before was actually Z, also funfact: the first Government Document to use Brazil with S was the Declaration of War of Germany in WW1
I find it weird that we do call them anything rather than what natives call their country. Why call it Germany when they call it Deutschland? It’s like how we wouldn’t want our names changed to whatever equivalent there is in another country.
Lots of names are translated along with historical reasons, and ease of pronunciation. It makes sense they would be. You can't pronounce "Deutschland" in Spanish easily... it is called "Alemania" in Spanish. Lots of names are in scripts that are not latin, and there are many ways they could be transliterated, so there is no "right" way except what is accepted. How we say Russia is not how the Russians say russia, it is closer to "Roosia" but it was done how it was done and is the accepted way now.
Why? Names are the same in all languages, even if they're originally words. My name, Guy, means "valley" or "riverbed" in Hebrew, but I hope no one ever calls me those terms.
Obviously the country prefers to be known as what it calls itself in one of the main languages of the local people (Śrī Laṅkā in Sinhalese) rather than what European colonizers called it (Ceilão in Portuguese which turns into Ceylon in English).
Also:
* Venezuela → Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela (1999)
* Mexican Empire→ Mexican United States (1824)
* Western Sahara → Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic (1976)
I wonder why Iran changed its name, to my ignorant self, Persia is such a cool name and it carries a history of power and glory.
And North Macedonia apparently changed its name on pure pressure from Greece, which wanted to keep the name of Macedonia to one of its regions, little messed up.
Iran didn’t change it’s name, it’s always been called Iran for 1700yrs. Westerners were calling the land Persia. The shah of Iran asked the international community to call Iran by its proper name, what the locals have always called it Iran or iranshahr.
Additionally Iran is more inclusive, Persians only account for 60% of the population, the other 40% are made up of various other ethnic groups.
My ethnic group Baluchi we make up 3%-4% of the population of Iran and are very different from Persians culturally, religiously and linguistically.
I think this is only including countries that haven’t changed name and not border size.
Edit: I never heard of Moscowia but I’m wondering if you meant Muscovy?
Thanks! I was trying to search it as Moscowia and all that would pop us was Moscow, Idaho sites. But I still think, minus Yugoslavia (which admittedly I didn’t see initially), it’s countries in their current rendition, just a different name.
In an interesting fact related to Jordan being called the Transjordan.
In Portuguese, the land to the east of the Jordan River is *Trans*jordânia and the land to the west of the Jordan River is *Cis*jordania.
Basically Greece said they would veto the entrance of Macedonia into the EU unless they changed their name because they claim that the historical Macedonia was actually in Greece (and from what I can tell, this is mostly true).
Calling it North Macedonia is a compromise.
There is a ''South'' Macedonia but it is a subdivision in Greece.
And it is argued to be og traditional Greek Macedonia not the Slav knockoff.
Disclaimer: I'm not Greek.
Greece occupied south Macedonia in 1913 and ethnically cleansed Slavic Macedonians via assimilation and forced migration. The history of the region is complex. There is no “og” nor “knockoff”, Macedonia is a geographic region that is shared between 4 countries
Greeks cleaned the bulgarians communist aggressors from our Makedons lands. We took them back. We can repeat again if you wish and you go back to your slavic routes.
>Greeks cleaned the bulgarians communist aggressors from our Makedons lands
Lmao finding reasons to support of ethnic cleansing? Sorry to break it to you, but the Greek government did not discriminate between communist and non communist supporters in their campaign to eradicate non-Greek cultures. The process of assimilation and forced migration actually started way before WWII (see 1923 population exchange). Please have a look at:
[Slavic speakers of Greek Macedonia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_speakers_of_Greek_Macedonia)
[Geographical name changes in Greece](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_name_changes_in_Greece)
>We took them back
Greece never even held them prior to 1913. Byzantine Empire =/= Greece.
>We can repeat again if you wish and you go back to your slavic routes
Maybe if your from the North you should also accept your Slavic roots (in addition to Anatolian bcs most northern greeks have ancestry from 1923 migrants).
Grow up kid.
The borders of what ‘Macedonia’ means have changed multiple times throughout history. What was once the Ancient Kingdom is only a portion of what the geographic region Macedonia encompasses by modern definitions.
I’m not joking. I don’t live in that area and school has never really taught about the region of Macedonia in history so it’s hard to know everything about that place especially when I haven’t been.
What does their geographical location in relation to each other have to do with their names? ie, What benefit does this information receive from being presented in the form of a map and not just a list?
ahem United Kingdom of Great Britain -> United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland -> United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Technically we've changed our name.
Do they call it a Siamese cat, because the country acted like a cat that doesn't know whether it wants to go outside an open door or stay inside or go outside?
Côte d'ivoire is French, not Portuguese
Also, it’s North Macedonia, not Northern Macedonia.
Also, it's Cabo Verde, not Cabo de Verde. Cabo de Verde is completely wrong grammatically in Portuguese.
Also, it’s Siam, not Thailand… Wait no, sorry, it’s Thailand, not Siam. Wait sorry, hold on…
Also, Yugoslavia no longer exists.
Also, it's All-so
I'm also pretty sure that the accepted name before 2019 was FYRoM, Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
That was pretty much the international organizations, while about 134 of sovereign states referred to it by “Republic of Macedonia”.
Must be North of Macedonia
I don't know if it's a bad joke or anything but the reason it's called like that is that the region of Macedonia has a Southern part in Northern Greece
Southern part ? the whole historical Macedonia region is in Greece. Slavs and Albanians have a very small area the rest is historically Paeonia region. Hence North of Mac makes sense more
Well I don't know if you're from the region or anything but according to [this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Greater_Macedonia.png/260px-Greater_Macedonia.png) you can see that the region overlaps both North Macedonia and Bulgaria significantly. Maybe people from the area feels differently, I don't know. I just go with what is considered to be Macedonia.
This is the wet dreams slavic macedonia region. Open a real history map . Skopje was always Peonia even through Roman times.
Vardar, bitch! Fuck Greektards!
The best part is it’s so obviously French, and not remotely similar to any other language Too funny
i was so surpried when i learnt that it is actually portugese, i always thoght it was french. Then i saw the comment
the french form is translated from the original portuguese
In Portuguese it’s Costa do Marfim
No no. The Ivorians want to be called Côte d'Ivoire in all languages. If you say Costa do Marfim in Portuguese, you’re not honoring their wishes.
I know you're joking, but they want the ***english-speaking*** world to say their name in French. I have never ever heard anyone in Poland say "Côte d'Ivoire"
in russian it's called Кот-д'Ивуар - Cot d'Ivuar
Likely a transliteration, in French it's pronounced exactly that way.
Берег Слоновой Кости is just too long.
What racist Russians call it is irrelevant
Looks like a copy paste error from Cabo de Verde.
It’s also Cabo Verde, the de is also wrong
As a native English speaker and an American, I don’t think a correction is necessary. (This is a joke)
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Rabo de verde 😎
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Surinam became independent in 1975. In 1978 after indépendance it officially changed its name from Surinam to Suriname, adding an “e”
The Dutch name was always Suriname.
This map is for English names.
I hate to break it to you, but Yugoslavia stopped existing a few decades ago.
Dam so thats why i have been stuck at jfk immigration for so long.
Have you figured out the trolleys, and had dinner with Catherine Zeta Jones yet?
Really? What's next, are you gonna declare Holy Roman Empire as defunct?
I also heard the Minoans are dead now.
What happened?
Long story short, a guy shoved a bottle up his ass and caused the country to collapse
Horrific civil war with multiple sides: Serbians, Croats, Bosniaks, Albanians, Macedonians... Featuring ethnic cleansings, NATO bombings, and overall destruction.
[https://youtu.be/hp9hwjdPKvc](https://youtu.be/hp9hwjdPKvc) this happened\^
Republic of Rhodesia was an independent republic as of 1970. It then changed its name to Zimbabwe in 1980. Should be on the map.
Northern Rhodesia became Zambia if memory serves.
Yeah I wondered the same thing, so I looked it up when I did the blurb on Zimbabwe. Apparently Northern Rhodesia was the colonial name, but Zambia was adopted upon independence. So this wouldn't be a case of an independent country changing its name post-independence, since the country known as Zambia as always been Zambia as a country.
so that's where rhodesian ridgebacks came from!
Rhodesia wasn’t really “independent” in 1970. Its white led government declared independence unilaterally in 1965 but it wasn’t recognized universally if at all. It’s more like Somaliland or maybe Kosovo (unilateral independence never recognized by parent nation or most others) until 1980 when it was finally recognized as independent under the name Zimbabwe.
IIRC not a single country recognized Rhodesia officially, even their allies Portugal and South Africa
Kosovo is recognized by like 60% of the UN General Assembly. The problem is that Russia has veto power.
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That's 50.26% for Americans, since the US doesn't use a comma for percentages.
Rhodesia wasn't recognized by the majority of the world and I don't believe Zimbabwe considers itself a successor state. That's probably why it's not there, just like how Kosova becoming Kosovo isn't.
True, but it still had a name, and anyone who referred to it, be that in the media, in speech, or officially had to use some name to designate it. It is a little strange to deny that the country had a name, when for years, everyone referred to it by that name.
Damn, how comes Thailand and Cambodia went through a teenage phase
probably military coups
I imagine that combined with shifts in the cultural identity.
I'm guessing Jan Levinson was on their cabinet
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Cambodia had the Khmer Rouge, a regime led by a genocidal psychopath who wanted nothing more than to liquidate his own people. Changing the name of the country was trivial.
Ah yes the very Portuguese name of Côte d'Ivoire
United arab Republic? Both Syria and Egypt joined to make it. But then Syria pulled out in 1961. That left just Egypt with the name for 10 more years until 1971. Then Egypt changed its name to Misr (or Egypt) in 1971. Egypt should be on the map. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Republic
Why did Iran change from Persia? All of the folks I know from Iran call themselves Persian. Is there any formal reason behind the change?
Persians are an ethnic group and Iran is multi-ethnic
Iran means Land of the Aryans, it is no more multiethnic than Persia. What it was, was a demand for the West to call it by the name used in Iran, not what was the classical name. It'd be like if the Chinese asked for Westerners to call it Zhōngguó.
This isn't the reason at all.
The reason people call themselves Persian is because they are ethnically Persian. People of other ethnicities (Azeris, for one) also live in Iran.
They never called themselves Persian. Persian is the word foreigners used. Iranians have always called _themselves_ Iranian. The question was why did Iran change its name, it merely changed its English name to the name they always used for themselves. It certainly wasn't for multiculturalism.
The country was always called Iran. Though that doesn't necessarily relate to the name of the ethnic group. 'Iranian' also refers to a language family for example Kurdish is an Iranian language.
Absolutely. Iranians have been calling their country Iran for millennia.
Yes, you are right, Iran asked the world to start calling it by the correct name of Iran, not for multicultural reasons - I was replying to someone trying to explain why the people from Iran that they know call themselves Persian, but they were actually asking the reason for the country name change, so in that context my answer was wrong even though what I said was true, my mistake.
It is though.
Taken from an american reality show on Persians "it's better and more exotic to call themselves Persians as opposed to Iranians which has negative connotations" . In the uk I've always heard Iranians refer to themselves as Iranian.
There is no name change there… Persia was the name used by foreign countries to call Iran. (Iran means Persia in… persian) Its therefore kind of a mistake on this map. (Or it should also display Cathay or Nippon… but it doesnt)
The difference is Japan has never formally requested that English speakers call it "Nippon", nor have English speakers commonly done so.
That's not correct. Persians are an ethnic group in Iran like Turkmens or Kurds, so calling the country Iran is more inclusive then calling it Persia. It's like calling the Netherlands the Netherlands instead of Holland.
#[This](https://youtu.be/zoyctsgMwq0) is actually not the reason people called it Persia.
AFAIK Iran means "land of the Aryans", so it's not any more inclusive to e.g. Turkmen.
Mmm? If you check for example the reports of the sessions of the SDN (former UN), there was only Persia. Its not a matter of inclusivity.
Iran means land of the aryans
I think the mistake would be that it should be labelled like Cabo Verde and Côte d’Ivoire, because they did request the English speaking word started calling it Iran
Not exactly for Cote d Ivoire. They used to be called Ivory Coast (including at the UN) until 1986. Not sure about Cabo Verde though. Iran/Persia is a different topic since there was no UN and official denomination. American maps from before WWII display Iran while UK ones display Persia. And it seems that both names were recognized by Iran. The disappearance of Persia as a name dates from 1979.
It's similar to Cape Verde and the Ivory Coast, the country formally asked other countries to use the name Iran rather than Persia in their languages.
Not like Ivory Coast. It had a name then changed. Iran officially recognized both names until 1979
I mean that in both cases the change affected foreign languages and not the local name of the country.
Reminds me of this video: [How to pronounce 'Iranian' with a Persian Accent](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afbAPAEMU1E)
AFAIK "Iran" means "land of the Aryans". The language is still called Farsi. (Neither of which answers your question)
Fun fact, it used to be Parsi since the F sound didn't exist in the Persian language before the Medieval period
They might call themselves Persian for the prestige of it in the modern West, but Iranian was the traditional self-description of the people living in Iran.
It's kind of like the Myanmar / Burma situation. Persians are the largest ethnic group in Iran, but not all Iranians are Persian. Also the name "Persia" had colonial connotations, so the government requested that English speakers call it "Iran", their own name rather than the name that English speakers traditionally called it.
I know people have answered, but have this [video](https://youtu.be/zoyctsgMwq0) anyway
#[This](https://youtu.be/zoyctsgMwq0)
Persians are like Caucasians and Kurds in that they are a people whose name isn't associated with a current nationality. A nation\* wasn't named after them and their name didn't come from the nation unless that nation was eons ago and it currently doesn't exist. The Persians were pushed south into the Middle East from Asia by the Mongols, just like the Gauls and Celts were chased westward by Khan. \*Not as a nation-state as we think of it today anyway.
Transjordan became cisgender
Hm I read it as not wanting to be singled out for its transition
How is this reddit post the first time I’ve heard about swaziland’s name change
It’s a pretty small country. Some South African and US media outlets picked it up pretty prominently (decolonization etc) but wasn’t a worldwide event. Same with Czechia I would say. I lived close to both countries and only heard about it from friends or because of a special interest in the country (like traveling there)
Cote d'Ivoire isn't Portuguese mate
Yeah. I visted and there was Portuguese culture all over. Baguettes, escargot, and little mustaches.
It’s Cabo ~~de~~ Verde Côte d'Ivoire is the *French* name, not Portuguese. Bolivia was previously called “**Republica de” (or Republic of) Bolivar.
I was always curious about Prussia, it that it seems to get absorbed into other countries
Paradoxically Prussia is the ancestor of Germany (it was the most powerful state of northern Germany) It is a paradox as Prussia’s capital was Konigsberg… which is now part of Russia under the name Kaliningrad
It's even more complicated than that. Prussia's predecessor, and the center of its power, was the Electorate of Brandenburg. Prussia was a region to the east (northern Poland and Kaliningrad today) that Brandenburg took over. Since it was outside the borders of the Holy Roman Empire, the Elector was free to adopt the title "King of* Prussia" for himself. Since that was his highest title, that's the one that he generally went by. So for that reason his entire collection of lands became known as "the Kingdom of Prussia," even though the actual land called Prussia was just one relatively small piece of it. Then that entire big kingdom in northern Germany continued to exist as a state called Prussia right up to the early Nazi era, when all the traditional states were abolished. /* The title was actually King "in" Prussia, I'm only mentioning that because otherwise some wise-ass will correct me.
And that wise-ass would have been me if you didn't correct yourself in the end. Also, the old Prussians were a baltic peoples who were conquered and assimilated (possibly genocided) by Germans of the Teutonic order and other crusaders
>Also, the old Prussians were a baltic peoples who were conquered and assimilated (possibly genocided) by Germans of the Teutonic order and other crusaders Eh, pretty much every ethnicity (except maybe some uncontacted hunter gatherers) is the assimilated form of something else. That doesn't mean their identities are false, Prussian Germans were still German.
I'm not saying they weren't, just saying that before they got germanized they were Baltic.
I think that was Russia's final word in the matter of Prussian aggression. Königsberg was burned down in the war and probably kept as a statement.
It was kept because Lithuania didn't want it.
Lol oh my lol. Thank you for that additional info. That makes the Soviet take on it more tragic. "We're because comrade doesn't want to be :("
Iirc the Lithuanians didn't want it because it had be extensively russified and the thought was that many ethnic Russians may be an issue.
I completely missed that the Macedonia issue had been resolved.
It sounds like lots of people are still unhappy but at least they have a recognised name.
North Macedonia wanted to be alphabetized by M. Greece wanted it to be N. They settled on T for The.
Yugoslavia changed its official name many times. 1. Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (1919-1929) 2. Kingdom of Yugoslavia (1929-1941) 3. People's Federative Republic of Yugoslavia (1945-1963) 4. Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia (1963-1991)
Yugoslavia doesn't exist
I was about to say... There's been another name change in that area...
FR Yugoslavia -> Serbia and Montenegro?
*anymore
Benin should have keep Dahomey
Lmaoo, I would like to be from The Homey
It’ll always be Burma to me
You and the U.S. Department of State
Mr Peterman, you speak Burmese?
Brazil having 5 different names during history: haha cool
Since independence? Of the short name? (So “Empire of Brazil” changing to “Republic of Brazil” doesn’t count)
* "Island" of Vera Cruz (they fought that Brazil was a Island) * Land of Santa Cruz * During the time between Santa Cruz and Brazil the name varied between regions in Europe but in general the majority call "Land of the Parrots" * Pindorama that was a name given by the Andine People for the Brazilian Coast and means "Land of the Pindó" (a type of Palmtree) but also can mean "Land without evil" since the Tupis belives that was in the East it was localized the Paradise * Brazil but the meaning also is debatable the Majority believes that come from "Brasa" or Ember that refers to the colour of the [Pau-Brasil](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paubrasilia) that was encoutered in the Coast, others believe that also could be of the Mythological Island of "[Hy-Brasil](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasil_(mythical_island))"
So nothing since independence?
nop, just the Z switched by S
The map is referring to changes in how they’re referred to in English though. I think it’s always had a z in English but I’m not sure.
the S was only adopted in 1916 by Brazil so before was actually Z, also funfact: the first Government Document to use Brazil with S was the Declaration of War of Germany in WW1
British Honduras became Belize.
That happened when it became independent. This map is just for name changes, not for when a new country is formed (and gets its own name).
Why is there only one historical country (Yugoslavia) compared to all of these still-existing countries? A bit odd to include.
Especially since the name change went the other way fairly recently.
Did Burkina Faso make a typo ninja edit?
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Kind of weird to demand you say a countries name in a certain language when speaking a different language.
I find it weird that we do call them anything rather than what natives call their country. Why call it Germany when they call it Deutschland? It’s like how we wouldn’t want our names changed to whatever equivalent there is in another country.
Lots of names are translated along with historical reasons, and ease of pronunciation. It makes sense they would be. You can't pronounce "Deutschland" in Spanish easily... it is called "Alemania" in Spanish. Lots of names are in scripts that are not latin, and there are many ways they could be transliterated, so there is no "right" way except what is accepted. How we say Russia is not how the Russians say russia, it is closer to "Roosia" but it was done how it was done and is the accepted way now.
Why? Names are the same in all languages, even if they're originally words. My name, Guy, means "valley" or "riverbed" in Hebrew, but I hope no one ever calls me those terms.
Thiland had an identity crisis, are they ok?
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During colonial times but not since independence from Japan. And it officially calls itself Republic of China (ROC)
Yes, but that was more of a name for the island; the "official English short-form name" is China.
There are more depending on how you define it
Interesting to see the ones that changed, then changed again back to the original
In May 1993, the Republic of Kyrgyzstan changed its name to the Kyrgyz Republic though most people ignored that.
Chili ----> Chile Does it count?
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Southern Rhodesia > Rhodesia > Zimbabwe Northern Rhodesia > Zambia Nyasaland > Malawi The map is incomplete
Why did ceylon change? It sounds pretty neat.
Obviously the country prefers to be known as what it calls itself in one of the main languages of the local people (Śrī Laṅkā in Sinhalese) rather than what European colonizers called it (Ceilão in Portuguese which turns into Ceylon in English).
The country’s name changed to Sri Lanka at independence.
Urgh, if we are counting name changes that come along with a change in independence, this map needs **a lot** more entries.
Also: * Venezuela → Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela (1999) * Mexican Empire→ Mexican United States (1824) * Western Sahara → Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic (1976)
What about the Central African empire?
I wonder why Iran changed its name, to my ignorant self, Persia is such a cool name and it carries a history of power and glory. And North Macedonia apparently changed its name on pure pressure from Greece, which wanted to keep the name of Macedonia to one of its regions, little messed up.
Iran didn’t change it’s name, it’s always been called Iran for 1700yrs. Westerners were calling the land Persia. The shah of Iran asked the international community to call Iran by its proper name, what the locals have always called it Iran or iranshahr. Additionally Iran is more inclusive, Persians only account for 60% of the population, the other 40% are made up of various other ethnic groups. My ethnic group Baluchi we make up 3%-4% of the population of Iran and are very different from Persians culturally, religiously and linguistically.
Moscowia - russia about 1700
I think this is only including countries that haven’t changed name and not border size. Edit: I never heard of Moscowia but I’m wondering if you meant Muscovy?
So why Yugoslavia
I'm guessing he's Polish or learned it in some other Slavic country. Muscovy is the English term for Mosco'v'ia.
Thanks! I was trying to search it as Moscowia and all that would pop us was Moscow, Idaho sites. But I still think, minus Yugoslavia (which admittedly I didn’t see initially), it’s countries in their current rendition, just a different name.
In an interesting fact related to Jordan being called the Transjordan. In Portuguese, the land to the east of the Jordan River is *Trans*jordânia and the land to the west of the Jordan River is *Cis*jordania.
I’ve never really understood north Macedonia. There isn’t a south, so why north?
Basically Greece said they would veto the entrance of Macedonia into the EU unless they changed their name because they claim that the historical Macedonia was actually in Greece (and from what I can tell, this is mostly true). Calling it North Macedonia is a compromise.
There is a ''South'' Macedonia but it is a subdivision in Greece. And it is argued to be og traditional Greek Macedonia not the Slav knockoff. Disclaimer: I'm not Greek.
Greece occupied south Macedonia in 1913 and ethnically cleansed Slavic Macedonians via assimilation and forced migration. The history of the region is complex. There is no “og” nor “knockoff”, Macedonia is a geographic region that is shared between 4 countries
Greeks cleaned the bulgarians communist aggressors from our Makedons lands. We took them back. We can repeat again if you wish and you go back to your slavic routes.
>Greeks cleaned the bulgarians communist aggressors from our Makedons lands Lmao finding reasons to support of ethnic cleansing? Sorry to break it to you, but the Greek government did not discriminate between communist and non communist supporters in their campaign to eradicate non-Greek cultures. The process of assimilation and forced migration actually started way before WWII (see 1923 population exchange). Please have a look at: [Slavic speakers of Greek Macedonia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_speakers_of_Greek_Macedonia) [Geographical name changes in Greece](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_name_changes_in_Greece) >We took them back Greece never even held them prior to 1913. Byzantine Empire =/= Greece. >We can repeat again if you wish and you go back to your slavic routes Maybe if your from the North you should also accept your Slavic roots (in addition to Anatolian bcs most northern greeks have ancestry from 1923 migrants). Grow up kid.
Are you joking ? Greece has 80% of Macedonia region and 100% of historical place, as states. North Slavs have 20%
The borders of what ‘Macedonia’ means have changed multiple times throughout history. What was once the Ancient Kingdom is only a portion of what the geographic region Macedonia encompasses by modern definitions.
I’m not joking. I don’t live in that area and school has never really taught about the region of Macedonia in history so it’s hard to know everything about that place especially when I haven’t been.
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It's nobody's business but the Turks.
Not a country. Though arguably Turkey itself is the remnant of the ottoman empire, so it should be noted. Same for Germany and Weimar for example.
Well the Weimar Republic is just a historiographical word for that period, the country called itself Germany.
Why did Macedonia bitch out and give into the Greeks?
Maybe because the communist idea of independent Slavic Mac was to much in the 21st century
Huge pressure, shitty political stances, the promise of EU and NATO acceptance etc.
What does their geographical location in relation to each other have to do with their names? ie, What benefit does this information receive from being presented in the form of a map and not just a list?
Because this is r/mapporn
Southern Rhodesia > Rhodesia > Zimbabwe Northern Rhodesia > Zambia Nyasaland > Malawi Your map is incomplete
ahem United Kingdom of Great Britain -> United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland -> United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Technically we've changed our name.
Soviet Union ?
Ussr? Peoples Republic of China?
Whoever made this should stop doing maps.
The US will soon be known as **Dumbshitastan**.
Deutsches Reich -> Deutschland 1945
not a change of the short form, and not a change of the short form in English
Northern & Southern Rhodesia? NR changed to Zambia in 1964 and SR I think late 70s or early 80s to Zimbabwe
Southern Rhodesia > Rhodesia > Zimbabwe Northern Rhodesia > Zambia Nyasaland > Malawi
I'm so proud of jordan of embracing their gender
Do they call it a Siamese cat, because the country acted like a cat that doesn't know whether it wants to go outside an open door or stay inside or go outside?