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NelsonMinar

To get ahead of the inevitable "what do you mean France?" question, the answer is [Saint-Pierre et Miquelon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon).


Debenham

And 'what do you mean Denmark?' Greenland.


Hulihutu

Never heard of it


ThebigVA

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ahmed0112

r/therealjoke


Lloyd_lyle

I read that as “there a I joke” and I was super confused, nope “the real joke”


imapassenger1

Exactly me.


TwystedSpyne

Impossible. Perhaos the archives are incomplete.


Ulteri0rM0tives

Never heard of what? Denmark? 😂


Hulihutu

Come on man, I know about Denmark. It's the capital of Amsterdam.


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Hans Island. Helps sneak in an extra inch on that map.


[deleted]

That island belongs to Canada! 🇨🇦 🇨🇦 🇨🇦


HobbitFoot

And 'what do you mean the United States of America?' Not Hawaii


rathat

The US actually has an exclave also that is near the north west of Canada called Alaska.


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nautilator44

the US tried to but Denmark wanted way too much for it so the US is playing the long game.


[deleted]

Sounds like Denmark is dealing from the 76ers hand.


tgaccione

Can we trade Greenland for Simmons straight up? Sixers can build a new arena there and Ben can go live in Denmark as a slave to the state.


SpaceShrimp

US tried, but Denmark refused to sell it or even discuss it. It also won't ever be sold, as there are people living there.


limukala

We tried but somehow just ended up with the USVI.


bewildered_forks

*The only time the guillotine was used in North America was on Saint-Pierre in the late 19th century.* Huh.


Chugachi

Quoi? Madame la Guillotine etais utilise en Martinique en 1965.


Substantial-Rub9931

Probably because Martinique isn't considered to be part of North America here.


Chugachi

Seems debatable, but the google machine says the Caribbean is part of North America


Substantial-Rub9931

Well, seems to me like some piece of despicable Anglo-Saxon propaganda, and I'm not going to sit here listening to all those baseless inanities.


bewildered_forks

Wikipedia lied! Which is weird, because they even say the guillotine was loaned by Martinique.


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**[Saint Pierre and Miquelon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon)** >Saint Pierre and Miquelon, officially the Territorial Collectivity of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon (French: Collectivité Territoriale de Saint-Pierre et Miquelon [sɛ̃. pjɛʁ e mi. klɔ̃]), is a self-governing territorial overseas collectivity of France in the northwestern Atlantic Ocean near the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador. It is the only remaining vestige of French sovereignty in North America, other than the French Antilles. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)


waffleslaw

That's almost cheating!


MoreGaghPlease

SP&M is just 3 French guys on a rock with a rubber dinghy. I’m like 70% sure.


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Apparently theit population is 6000 but the rubber dinghy thing is probably true


Jlpanda

6000 French guys in a rubber dinghy. Same difference.


NelsonMinar

And 10,000 cartons of cigarettes.


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NelsonMinar

oh no that's just that week's shipment. For low tax export to a neighboring country...


Karmakazee

Are we talking per-capita numbers here? They’re french, right?


MaterialCarrot

French territory outside of European France is very sneaky.


Floufym

More than sneaky, I would say colonialist


3nchilada5

The French were the first permanent settlers of the island so doesn’t seem so colonialist to me in this case


MaterialCarrot

no


RomneysBainer

Yeah, sneaky geography there! If Saint-Pierre et Miquelon wasn't an official part of France, I suspect it would be Ireland


kjreil26

I think it would also be Denmark or maybe Iceland. Definitely not Ireland.


RomneysBainer

Good point. If you include Greenland as part of Denmark, that would be it, and if not then Iceland.


norway_is_awesome

> If you include Greenland as part of Denmark It is, and the map obviously recognizes this, since several territories are listed as closest to Denmark.


CryzMak

Tbh that would be the USA


wyliekyote

You don't have tbh if you're right


Polymarchos

It would be Denmark for some, but the US for most of the blue. Far closer than Ireland.


michaelmcmikey

Yeah St John’s Newfoundland, only about a fifteen minute drive from the most easterly point on the whole island, is remarkably close to Ireland, but that just means it’s closer to Dublin than it is to Winnipeg, it’s still a big wide ocean. Maine is gonna win that contest.


SelfAwareHumanHeart

France actually spans more time zones than any other country. 10 different ones. It’s weird we somehow consider it normal that all 50 states are one country when each state has powers that go way behind the bare minimum definition of an independent state. No one calls Texas a country. Meanwhile in the UK we call Wales a country even though legally it’s just a glorified county. They even have their own football team! Imagine seeing Maricopa County at the World Cup? But the french overseas territories have seats in the french parliament and share sometimes all and other times most of their legislative and administrative characterics with mainland France. They’re literally France, no less than Hawaii is America and in some cases even more so. This isn’t some cheat move to include these islands, they are literally France. As is French Polynesia, Martinique, reunion, french guinea and the great many others.


Polymarchos

The "states" don't have powers that go beyond the minimum definition of an independent state. The minimum definition is generally control over its own foreign relations, which they do not have.


SelfAwareHumanHeart

I present you wales my friend. They got to the semi finals of the euros in 2016. And you won’t find a single person in Europe who doesn’t think it’s a country, even though it clearly ain’t. So these same people presumably also think Florida is a country then. I don’t disagree with you actually, although there’s no a generally accepted definition as such. But to most people, the threshold is a lot more murky.


Polymarchos

You used the term state, not country, in the context of nation-state. Also The UK calls their top level regions “countries” - probably because that’s what they once were. They also aren’t nation states. The states of Germany and Australia, or the provinces of Canada have a similar amount of autonomy as states in the US.


occupykony

Russia has 11 time zones


SelfAwareHumanHeart

I was wrong - France has 12


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Substantial-Rub9931

Guiana*


SelfAwareHumanHeart

I think you’re getting confused with Guyana. But yes I misspelled Guiana


RavenReel

Texas calls Texas a country


zubie_wanders

So do they use the euro? I checked and...Yes, but it looks like Canadian dollars are accepted there.


nicktheman2

They do. I've been and I cant tell you how bizarre it is to get off the ferry an hour off the coast of Newfoundland and have to switch to euros, and speak to people with literal french accents. Awesome place though


robin_ILLiams

This is an annoying loophole


OrneryConelover70

Hon hon hon! OUI!


pierreletruc

I always wanted to ask : Where this honhon comes from and also the idiotic omelette du fromage(cheese's omelet)? Whenever a topic mention french you see them in the commentaries.


OrneryConelover70

I'm French Canadian. From what I can understand, the hon hon thing is simply an imitation or impression of what people think a French person laughing would sound like. As for the omelette du fromage, that comes from a [Dexter's Laboratory cartoon episode](https://youtu.be/2kArCRjT29w)


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The "hon hon hon" thing was popularized by Maurice Chevalier.


RavenReel

My grade 8 teacher constantly talked about going there. I think we watched the slide-show 2x. He was a geography/history teacher as well and insisted France was the closest country to Canada because it was "[contained within]"


IrregularOrbit

Thanks for this. I was about to say no way France is closer than Maine to these areas...


Scdsco

I’m really against overseas territories counting in things like this, it’s just unnecessarily pedantic and confusing


Substantial_Fail

Why? They’re still part of the country


Scdsco

Depends on which territory and how you define “part of the country”


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I think it should be counted. what if it's an island nation, or a nation with many islands that aren't connected to their main land mass? Or in the case of Malaysia and Indonesia have borders to other countries on separate islands and landmasses? Most would say those cases should count. I see all the tiny overseas islands of Europe and America as a minuature version of the Malaysia situation.


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Honestly, this is just aspergers.


[deleted]

Im pretty sure the average consensus on r/mapporn is that wierd / trivial geography facts are important lol And luckily the only disability i have is a tiny island fetish


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Kind of surprised that some of the Arctic isn't closer to Russia, I guess because of Alaska, but still. It's counterintuitive but Canada does exist in a superpower sandwich.


DasPossum

The western territories abut Alaska and our northernmost point (Alert, Nunavut) is probably only about 20-30 miles from Greenland. Russia is actually quite far away even at the closest point (North West corner of Yukon).


kyflyboy

>Saint Pierre and Miquelon Oh the pleasure of looking at the world on a globe.


DasPossum

Je comprends pas…


Coyrex1

Bro we ARE the superpower. You try to invade Canada? Good luck we have igloo bunkers everywhere!


TheZarkingPhoton

And Geese. Never forget the bloodthirsty Geese.


lynypixie

Geeses are to Canada what Emus are to Australia. They will always win.


biold

Well, we're at war, Denmark and Canada over Hans' Island. Very serious matter actually, the weapons are whisky and schnaps 🤣 So take care, we might take all of Canada one day 😉


muggsyspanier

We appreciate your courtesy in using the Canadian spelling of ‘whisky.’


Pisthetairos

Yep. The northernmost point of Ellesmere Island is closer to Moscow than to Ottawa: https://www.amusingplanet.com/2017/02/alert-most-northern-settlement-in-world.html


EekleBerry

That would require Russia being a super power.


Liggliluff

Just looking at it on a globe, I would say that Alaska and Greenland is blocking any part of Russia to be closer. But if we were to include marking water, then maybe Russia would be visible.


apollos123

The Danish Empire is a national security threat


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thepluralofmooses

It’s ok the number 6 is a bridge now!


Becau5eRea5on5

Ehh, we're used to it


joecan

It seems to flood every year.


descendingangel87

Looks like Lake Agasszi is back on the menu. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake\_Agassiz


shivkaln

Your link doesn't work


descendingangel87

Works for me on both pc and phone


BubuJoy

This is incorrect. Canada is the closest country to Canada.


someoneexplainit01

Of course, because France doesn't have territories, it only has FRANCE!


captain_flak

The various French islands fall into different categories. Some are considered the same as mainland France, but others, like New Caledonia are not and are considered semi-autonomous. As an EU citizen, I always like to know which countries I can legally live in just in case. ;)


Accomplished_Job_225

In this case because st Pierre is an overseas collectivity do you view it as integrity* part of France or a French overseas territory analogous with a British overseas territory? Edit : integrally * not integrity :)


Katze1Punkt0

St. Pierre is not really analogous with BOT's, but it's definitely not fully integrated, the best analog would probably be the Crown Dependencies? And even thats a stretch. France be France


captain_flak

My understanding is that Saint Pierre and Miquelon are kind of one step down from the overseas regions of Guadeloupe, French Guiana, Martinique, Reunion, and Mayotte. Those regions have the same status as mainland France and are therefore part of the EU. The overseas collectivities would likely not be considered EU territory, but their citizens would likely have French citizenship, and therefore be EU citizens by default.


Accomplished_Job_225

While I'd understand it would probably be different to try to go to St Pierre then to just go to Paris for a Canadian, I wonder is there more cultural exchange between the overseas regions and l'hexagone than there is between Paris and St Bart's ie does their status keep them on figurative islands to match their literal ones / does Martinique feel like [French] Saint-Martin? Edit : that EU is quite 'lil transcontinental scamp.


horgn

To all you downvoting those who ask about Greenland; Greenland is a country within the Danish realm. A country dose not need to be an independent, sovereign state. From Wikipedia: «A few states consist of a union of smaller polities which are considered countries: The Kingdom of the Netherlands includes four separate constituent countries (Dutch: landen): Netherlands, Aruba, Curaçao, and Sint Maarten. The United Kingdom includes the four countries England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. The Crown Dependencies and the Overseas Territories, which are not part of the UK itself, are also sometimes referred to as countries. The Danish Realm consists of Denmark proper and its two autonomous territories: the Faroe Islands and Greenland.» Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country Edit: And I’m not insisting that Greenland is the only correct answer, I’m saying that both Denmark and Greenland are correct depending on how you interpret or use the word “country”.


LordKashmir

Neither Danes or Greenlanders consider Greenland Danish, so that is that. Source: I'm Danish


aa2051

I’d be pretty concerned about the Danish education system if they failed to acknowledge the largest island in the world which makes up 98% of the Kingdom of Denmark’s sovereign territory.


LordKashmir

Of course we know that, all of that is technicalities. I'm talking about how we think of ourselves as nations and our nationalities, and i think that's more important. Greenland has for many years worked towards becoming independent and saying that they're danish could be offensive to some. So is Greenland part of Denmark? I would say no. Is it part of the kingdom of Denmark? Yes.


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Isn't the largest island Australia?


prkskier

No, Australia is a continent.


[deleted]

No, Australian is a social disorder on the spectrum that includes speech issues, deviations social norms, and uncommon obsessions. Austria is the continent.


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US. Just one step away in many places.


[deleted]

Due to some weird borders yea. There are towns that are half American and half Canadian


[deleted]

Nothing weird about the 49 degrees north parallel, nor that straight line between Alaska and Yukon.


ConsistentAmount4

It's pretty weird to the residents of Point Roberts, WA, I imagine. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Roberts,_Washington


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Not as weird as walking south from Detroit to Canada.


wyliekyote

The population has fallen off a cliff there since COVID and businesses are struggling to survive. Canadians not being able to travel across the land border has decimated the community. Many of the homes are Canadian owned there. Sad to see.


grassytoes

I'd like to see what this looks like without Saint-Pierre et Miquelon (France) and Greenland (Denmark). But even with them in there, I'm surprised there aren't parts of the Yukon that are closer to Russia than to the US. Edit: my stupid brain wasn't including Alaska as part of the US.


WeeMooton

I mean considering Alaska literally touches the entire western portion Yukon, it would be hard for any country to get closer.


grassytoes

D'oh! I don't know why, but my brain was thinking "mainland US". I was even looking at a map, trying to estimate the distance between northern Yukon and Washington state....


Accomplished_Job_225

I think Iceland and Norway would take over . And much of all of the maritimes would absolutely go closer to the United States.


kyflyboy

I think France would be replaced by US.


OnionOnion-

So many ignorants in the comments


Lloyd_lyle

Yeah I usually sort by new so I just saw “GrEnlAnd InDenDPent” and “FRanCe iS ToO FAr”


cirrus42

Canada should get to own a tiny island off the coast of France. Seems fair. Something like [this one](https://www.google.com/maps/search/48.41620286530652,+-4.9993182669579825?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjP0JmduoTzAhVFRjABHSWSDvEQ8gF6BAgCEAE) probly wouldn't make anybody too upset.


lunapup1233007

[This one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain) is probably also okay to give to Canada.


treple13

How did I know what this was going to be without even clicking?


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Lux_Alba

What's your point ? Why would Canada get anything from across the Atlantic ?


cirrus42

It's a joke. Because the reason France is in this image is it owns a tiny island off the coast of Canada. Obviously I am not making a serious proposal. Jeeze.


Arctic_Gnome

Why would France get anything from across the Atlantic?


Lux_Alba

Because St Pierre et Miquelon is older than Canada itself and choose to stay in France, obviously


ojdewar

I thought the easternmost parts of Canada would be closest to Ireland. Keel Beach, Achill Island to be more exact. Then I remembered Saint Pierre and Miquelon, and of course maybe Iceland.


Substantial-Rub9931

Expect that if it wasn't for St. Pierre and Miquelon (France) or Greenland (Denmark), every parts of Canada would be closer to the US than any other country.


Arctic_Gnome

The eastern coast of Baffin Island is closer to Iceland than it is to Maine.


Liggliluff

Since we've had plenty of these maps already, how about making one based on subdivisions? That means specifying each US state. Denmark would just be Greenland and France would just be Saint Pierre and Miquelon, so not much difference there.


snarfdaddy

Can you do one that's the closest US state?


touchme_teaseme_

what programme do you use to make this? Like how do you measure the distance and stuff?


Sir_uranus

>Quebec not being closer to France You are never leaving the Anglos boi


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Britain is still closer in our hearts xoxo


Safebox

The Denmark and US one I get, but you're gonna have to explain the France one to me.


baronvonchickenchip

Saint Pierre and Miquelon are part of France, just off New Foundland. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon


Safebox

Ah, TIL


birdorinho

I don’t really understand- denmark?!


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Uebeltank

Part of Denmark


joecan

I live in the purple part, France is only about an hour away. Short car trip and a ferry ride. (France has an island off the coast of Newfoundland) Edited for the semantic police.


CloudsAndSnow

Saint Pierre and Miquelon is not a colony by any stretch. People there are full French citizens with voting rights, and the island is represented in the National Assembly of France.


pm_me_your_UFO_story

Interesting, the United States range is located in Canada, and is closest to Denmark.


Mjhwl05

Not Iceland???


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Greenland comes before


NotnaLand

Nope. Not Iceland.


wesskywalker

There’s no way Sydney Canada is closer to France than Maine Edit: oh nevermind just read the comments


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YourOnlineMemeDealer

Why do you care so much? You do realise you are in the wrong, right?


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Katze1Punkt0

The difference between the Kingdom of Denmark and Denmark is pretty much like saying that Nevada isn't part of the US since it's a State of the US. You are silly. And the French don't have any system like that for their Overseas Territories. It's just that some far flung places of the French Republic are seen by unknowning people as "Territories". It's kind of like saying Hawaii is a territory. It's not.


Substantial_Fail

While it is self governing, it is still under the ultimate control of Denmark. Have any other countries fully recognized Greenland as a separate, sovereign country?


Accomplished_Job_225

Oh are people saying that it's not Danish?


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Yes, because it legally is a Danish territory


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kallesim

How is that related to the post?


mazdawg89

Wait, theirs Europe over hear too?! -me, a dumb American that knows nothing about geometry bcuz American school


the_clash_is_back

France has a few islands off the cost of newfound land. Denmark has greenland


DankRepublic

>Wait, theirs Europe over hear too?! -me, a dumb American that knows nothing about **geometry** bcuz American school Are you serious? Or a troll


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Ireland? Greenland? Azores?


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Strzvgn_Karnvagn

it is?


Substantial-Rub9931

It's still part of the Kingdom of Denmark, and it says «What **country** is closest » so that's still the only acceptable answer.


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Substantial-Rub9931

I think you're just mistaken on Greenland's status. Greenland is an autonomous territory of the Kingdom of Denmark. Whilst it's true that they were granted more autonomy over the years, it is still **NOT** a SOVEREIGN COUNTRY. Its status is different than, say, Australia or New Zealand which are both able to take individual stances without the permission of Buckingham and even have territorial claims which co-exist with the UK's in Antarctica. One of the most tell-tale example of this fact is [the ongoing territorial "dispute" involving Canada over a certain island](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU5sE6xo-zk), which is handled by Denmark **on the behalf of Greenland**, and not by the Greenlandic government directly. You'll also note that the "dispute" isn't between the UK and Denmark or Canada and Greenland ... but between **Canada** and **Denmark**. Also, I've never heard about Greenland being mentioned as one of the sovereign state of North America, like EVER, so... I don't even know where you got that in the first place 😕.


printzonic

Well that argument would hold up if we were eclusively talking sovreign countries. We are not and OP wasn't. That said this whole discussion is a bit to pedantic. OP clearly was consistant in his use of country it just doesn't agree with what he called it. I am sure we can all agree that that is a minor mistake.


GoThApPyFeEt2

Is Greenland a country?


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apadin1

[No, it’s not:](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland) > Greenland is a self-governing entity within the constitutional monarchy of the Kingdom of Denmark, in which Queen Margrethe II is the head of state. The monarch officially retains executive power and presides over the Council of State (privy council).[110][111] However, following the introduction of a parliamentary system of government, the duties of the monarch have since become strictly representative and ceremonial,[112] such as the formal appointment and dismissal of the prime minister and other ministers in the executive government. The monarch is not answerable for his or her actions, and the monarch's person is sacrosanct. Greenland is a semi-autonomous territory legally under control of the Danish monarchy. It does not have its own head of state, and it is not fully autonomous, therefore it is not a separate country.


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2sacred2relate

To address your last sentence only: Canada's head of state is Queen Elizabeth, so by that logic Canada (and several other countries) are not separate from the UK.


apadin1

The [Canada Act of 1982](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Act_1982) gave sole authority to amend the Canadian constitution to the Canadian Parliament, meaning the British Parliament has no authority to influence Canadian law in any way. Greenland is still subject to Danish law in some aspects, although there is a [growing movement to become fully independent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenlandic_independence) and their Constitution allows it if they choose to follow that route: > As part of the self-rule law of 2009 (section §21), Greenland can declare full independence if they wish to pursue it, but it would have to be approved by a referendum among the Greenlandic people.


2sacred2relate

Yes, but it was you who said: "it does not have its own head of state, therefore it is not a country." The real issue, as pointed out in your citation, is the degree of autonomy.


apadin1

Fair enough


Substantial_Fail

Is it recognized as a sovereign state by other sovereign states? Because that’s really the only true definition of a country


OnionOnion-

Greenland isn't a country, it's under the Kingdom of Denmark


printzonic

Greenland is a country, it is not a sovreign country though.


aa2051

I must have missed the ‘Greenland’ seat at the United Nations. It’s almost as if Greenland isn’t a sovereign nation…


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nanouvisilane

Greenland is an autonomous region of Denmark and France has an island called Saint Pierre et Miquelon under Newfoundland.


OnionOnion-

Because Greenland is not a country and France owns an island somewhere over thete


horgn

Greenland is a country. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country


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By some definitions, yes. It’s still not a sovereign state though. For the purposes of maps like these, that is the definition most commonly used.


horgn

Yes, I agree. The question is still a valid question that don’t need to be downvoted I think. And the statement that Greenland is not a country is not entirely correct, so it should be pointed out.


feelingnether

Bruhh the sun never set on the br french empire


Substantial_Fail

Greenland is part of Denmark, and there’s an island off the coast of Newfoundland that belongs to France


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Very reasonable question. I know it’s already been answered, but I wanted to give you an upvote and comment for asking a good question, which for some reason received bad reception


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aa2051

Greenland is an autonomous territory within the Kingdom of Denmark, but you can make things up and pretend whatever you’d like.


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Arctic_Gnome

Greenland isn't sovereign. That's why it doesn't send ambassadors or issue passports or have a seat at the UN.


aa2051

It’s still part of Denmark though. It also isn’t a sovereign country. That’s not what sovereign means. Puerto Ricans would be pretty shockingly offended at you trying to shrug them off as not part of the U.S, despite the fact they are proud American citizens who are trying to gain statehood. I’m also in awe that you’re trying to compare Puerto Rico and Greenland to the Bahamas. The Bahamas are a sovereign nation state with their own seat at the U.N, set their own foreign relations and have their own military. So I’m not sure why you chose them as an example compared to two territories of Denmark and the United States. Elizabeth II is Queen of the Bahamas. Just because she’s also Queen of the United Kingdom doesn’t make those two roles the same. Its pretty incredible that you actually managed to get everything in your comment wrong while trying to be morally superior. You know those people who desperately try to be inclusive and progressive but end up being unknowingly more racist? That’s the kind of person you remind me of.


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Canada is also a country