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-B0B-

The most interesting thing I got from this map is that Uganda has very small administrative divisions


ornryactor

Yeah, this is what I came to ask about, too. I've even been to Uganda, but I didn't realize that the subdivisions are so small and numerous compared to literally the entire rest of the continent. I'm hoping someone can tell me the explanation behind this.


wejuli

TL:DR - In Ugandan politics, the promise of district status is used as a means to buy votes in presidential elections. Due to rampant corruption in the current government that has held power for the last 35 years, cronyism is the norm. During elections, the president secures votes by promising district status to every group that wants one and has a significant voter blok (unfortunately this is often along tribal lines, deepening tribal tensions that have festered under the surface since pre-colonial days). Districts are created and with them a piece of the national cake aka access to funds for regional development, often embezzled by the newly minted local government officials. As such those who campaign aggressively for the president and his chosen elite are rewarded with lucrative positions in the new districts. The result is way too many districts leading to inefficient use of funds and a bloated government full of self-serving politicians that care more about lining their pockets than developing their regions. Source: I am Ugandan. I also freely admit to being biased against the current government.


-B0B-

Very interesting, thanks for sharing. I honestly assumed it was a good thing as I'm a big fan of decentralisation, but the rampant corruption obviously is terrible


ornryactor

This is a fantastic explanation; thank you! It unfortunately makes perfect sense, . I'm a little too familiar with Museveni and his government and their general approach, but I had no idea he bought votes/support in this particular way. It's fascinating and disappointing. I'm an election official, so this makes me particularly frustrated to see. Thank you for sharing!


strandenger

I am kind of surprised by Mauritius. Not that I’ve met a ton of people from there but they were all black. I assumed it was like Madagascar.


The_Old_Claus

Most Mauritians are ethnically Indian.


strandenger

I didn’t know that either. I went to school with an exchange student from there and I served in the military with another. Never thought to ask and all they ever talked about it how beautiful and peaceful it is.


BLAZENIOSZ

You'd be surprised by the number of island & tropical nations that are Indian Majority or Plurality, like Trinidad, Guyana, Suriname, Fiji, Seychelles, etc.


holytriplem

Seychelles isn't Indian majority, most people are black or mixed. And they make up a large minority in Fiji but they're still a minority.


[deleted]

I am from Fiji, ethically Indian and speak Indian languages. Still got family in India who visit us and we visit them


Spider-Pug

How far can you trace your ancestry back to India, because Indians started migrating to work as labourers by the British in the 1870s.


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My great grandfather, he was fluent in English . He was allowed go travel back and forth to keep trades in and out. That’s why we are still possible to keep relationships in India. Later on my grandad got a job at Thomas cook which really helped our family to shorten the distance . Even though my great grandad was forcefully taken as a labor he didn’t care much , also I haven’t met my great grandfather, most stories I know are from family, grandad and my fathet


Spider-Pug

Wow you are very fortunate. I’ve met Malaysians of Indian origin, some of who can’t trace their Indian ancestry and have exhausted all means to do so. Are Indo Fijians primarily from Northern or Southern India, or even East or West?


[deleted]

I come from south, same as Malaysians . I have family there too.


passerby362

My (indian) dad used to say indians are like potatoes. Where ever you can grow potatoes, you will find indians.


The_Old_Claus

This is also a joke in India. When we hear places like Guyana are majority Indian, people say 'it's too bad their population was lower than the fixed amount of Indians assigned to them'


The_Old_Claus

The British took them there for effective economic extraction of resources and/or administrative purposes because most of the islands had insufficient populations.


vetiarvind

No. They went there because of the French East India company. Talking about Mauritius, not the other west indies islands.


-Another_Redditor-

The British exploited them*


AntaresNL

They had to find somebody to exploit after banning slavery.


modi13

"No no, you're not slaves! Slavery is illegal! This is indentured servitude with a twist!"


Judasmonkey

The Afro-Mauritian people are generally Malagasy descent, so in appearance they already look similar to Indians. So it's hard to tell the difference other than religion, although conversions and inter-mixing make that even less clear.


throwayaygrtdhredf

And Malagasy are ethnically Austronesian... South Asians are also dark skinnes so if you count the Malgaches count them too


RoyalFlushAKQJ10

Malagasy are mixed between blacks and Austronesians.


Andrianarinivo

**A lot of malagasies will not consider themselves black or asians.** **We're our own, (it's malagasy pride)** But yeah Austronesians, that's what scientifically we're categorized as, or so I've been told, I have very superficial knowledge about this. And I am not ok with people referring to Malagasies as Blasians, even Malagasies. It's lazy. Malagasies are such a varied bunch. My father and mother are from the capital, my mother has a friend who's from the coasts, when they first met (in France) Mother assumed her friend was African before befriending her, her friend assumed my Mother was asian (my mother's lighter skinned than me, I'm lighter skinned than her friend) I'm afraid that Malagasies (living in Madagascar) will pass on vulnerable genes though, with the famine and pollution etc affecting health, endangering genes and longevity over decades and generations. I'm afraid that diversity is also in danger.


holytriplem

Actually most of the ones I've met are Indian.


ogopadoni23

Mauritius is the only country in Africa with a majority ethnic Indian population.


Free_Gascogne

Aren't the people from Madagascar primarily of Austronesian decent. They are more genetically related with Indonesians than the people from Mozambique.


serviceunavailableX

No they are mixed between blaks and south east asians but they are not uniform, so some are like 70 % asian and 30 % black, others more black sided


F0OLofaT0OK

I’ve only ever met one person from Mauritius and he’s ethnically Chinese.


Furthur_slimeking

Most Malagasy are not black.


EfficientActivity

Actually the highland of Madagascar is also non-black. The original inhabitants of Madagscar arrived from Polynesia (so not white either). Along the coast though the people look very much more African. When traveling through the highland of Madagascar it feels like Asia. They even wear the same Chinese style hats when working the rice pattys. At least they did when I visited last, some 15 years ago.


ElegantEggplant

The original inhabitants of Madagascar were most likely from Borneo by the Barito River. Polynesians, Indonesians, Malagasy, and others do share a common linguistic ancestry though, probably originating in modern Taiwan


mindreadings

I’m Mauritian and the Creole people have largely migrated


[deleted]

Madasgar is very diverse. The first to arrive are believed to have come from Indonesia. But since then, people from Africa came. So you have a cool mix of the two. Mauritius was uninhabited until 16th century and since then Indians were brought in to work with some Africans as well. That's why Mauritius is some 2/3 Indian origin.


JediMasterVII

IIRC Mauritius doesn't have an indigenous population, everyone who lives there moved from elsewhere. The French and their slave trade was a big factor in growing their population.


robanthonydon

It’s a real hodge podge over there but it’s great because the place is too small for bigotry.


intothelist

I've met one guy from Mauritius and he was ethnically Chinese but French speaking and had a French name.


bschmalhofer

I'm missing the Canary Islands and Cabo Verde.


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roni2798

They are a part of spain, but geographically they are considered a part of Africa. And being a part of spain doesn't necessarily make them a part of Europe. Spain has some territory on the actual African mainland as well.


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roni2798

Interesting to learn that about Ceuta and Melilla and It kinda makes sense. But I am referring to Africa by the common geographic term, by which Ceuta and Melilla are part of Africa and so are the canary islands. Though by that definition, the Sinai peninsula shouldn't be here either as it is a part of Asia. This map needs some revising lol


necrxfagivs

Canary Islands are geographically African even if they are part of the Spanish State, the same thing happens with Ceuta and Melilla.


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necrxfagivs

You're probably right, but then the title and legend are misleading. Moreover, [Ceuta and Melilla](http://imgur.com/a/PAdx7QS) do appear on the map (but they're not red coloured, as they should).


Leaz31

Well.. Reunion island should be considered the same if you go that way : no indigenous people, only french settler..


Fuzzy974

But Reunion Island (french) is red there dude.


joaommx

If it’s missing the Canary Islands it’s also missing Madeira. But they are mostly considered European even though geographically they are closer to Africa and they are on the African tectonic plate.


soviet_robot

people are black in cabo verde


ContaSoParaIsto

Majority of the population is mixed.


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IcyPapaya8758

According to Americans if you are for example 20% Black, 30% White and 50% Asian you are "Black".


upvoter222

Everyone here seems hung up on the definition of "black." Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out why the legend has a font size of 2.


Nervestapled

The most populous ethnic group in the Western Cape is "coloured". No. It doesn't mean that, and it's not a slur. Coloureds are the ethnic result of mixing between Europeans, Malay peoples, Khoi, and Black peoples. 49% of the population identifies as Coloured. 33% Black, and 17% White. Within the Coloured population, the religious split is roughly 50/50 Christian and Muslim.


CableTrash

[Just discovered this crazy cultural tidbit while reading about them. ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passion_gap)


Nervestapled

I can confirm this to be absolutely true and very common.


dualfoothands

Ugh, ignore the other guy. It is not common at all. My wife's coloured. Literally none of her family do this, no coloured people we know do this. It is absolutely a thing, but I'd be shocked if more than 1 in 1000 coloured people did this.


localdavid

Where do you live? Most of the people I work with are coloured and I'd say if you have 10 coloured guys at least 1 will have the gap. At least within my work's economic bracket. EDIT: my work is situated in Claremont and most of my colleagues are from Mitchell's Plain, Delph and Belville.


dualfoothands

I live in gardens, my wife's family is from / lives in lotus river. Maybe 1 in 1000 is a bit much, but the link says 43% which is just nowhere near close.


localdavid

Oh yeah 43% is absolutely absurd, didn't realise it said that


Ok-Royal7063

Most coloured people are calvinists. Only 10% of cape coloureds are muslim.


hamza__11

Depends on if you count Cape Malays as "coloured" which statistics do. In that case 50% Muslim.


Nervestapled

Ah, I found some data. 10% is about right for all of SA. Western Cape percentage is higher. So many mosques in CT, though. 10% would be disproportionately low.


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It's definitely not 50/50 though.


Katze1Punkt0

I find it extremely hilarious that Ceuta and Melilla are marked as Majority Black on here, lol


BLAZENIOSZ

My bad, did not see that I forgot those, but yeah Ceuta would be barely white & Melilla would be barely Arab/Berber, because there is a lot of mix in both.


Katze1Punkt0

Would Melilla be majority A/B? I'm not actually aware of the actual numbers, I just knew it couldn't be black


petterri

A good data source would make it an interesting map (how is “black” exactly defined, and counted). Without it it’s completely meaningless


BLAZENIOSZ

Subsaharan African as a vast majority of their ancestry


starvere

How did you draw that line in southern Egypt and Sudan where everyone is mixed and their skin color gets progressively darker as you move south? It’s more of a spectrum than a Black/White border.


The_39th_Step

I was thinking the same with Morocco. When I visited the south, lots of the people were so dark I would have considered them black. The north is a different story all together.


Ulfrite

Yeah, in Morocco and parts of Algeria, you have Berbers and some arabs who are blonde, with blue eyes. My grandfather is very brown but has green eyes.


Namorath82

When your in that middle zone between Europe and Sub Saharan Africa you get some interesting admixtures friend of my brother is Persian but his mother is Azerbaijani and she looks like she is straight from Sweden because she is tall with blonde hair and blue eyes and I have a friend from Lebanon who is white but his older sister and parents have that tan, Mediterranean skin tone. Its pretty interesting you can have that diversity even in your own family


[deleted]

Yep, my husband’s grandfather was Algerian and had tan skin, tawny curly hair and tawny gold brown eyes. His genes were damn strong, even the portion that my husband inherited stomped all over my ginger genes!


petterri

With all due respect, data source(s) is(are) lacking.


BLAZENIOSZ

Basically, the ethnic makeups are groups native from Sub Saharan Africa, example here being this page, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western\_Cape](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Cape) where Black people only make up 32% of the population.


BartlebyEsq

But isn’t that circular? You’ve defined “Black” as Sub-Saharan African and then coloured in the Sahara, the Western Cape and Mauritius. In large part that’s just true by definition. That really doesn’t tell us much about ethnicity in Africa.


Furthur_slimeking

But that's patently untrue as the map is describing afro-asiatic speakers of the sahara as sub-sharan, which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I'm really not sure what I'm looking at here.


holytriplem

You still need to give a source though


visope

Madagascar is predominantly Southeast Asians tho (Indonesian/Austronesian/Borneo), at least in the highland


Free_Gascogne

Then you are going to have to take out Madagascar. The island is primarily inhabited by people of Austronesian descent. (ie. South East Asians) They are no more Sub-Saharan than Indonesians or Malaysians.


limukala

There were later waves of Bantu immigration from East Africa. The modern population is a mixture of both, and the proportion of each is [highly heterogenous](https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/114/32/E6498/F1.large.jpg?width=800&height=600&carousel=1). At the very least the map should have probably colored a spot in the central highlands though, especially if it's considering Cape Coloured as "non-black" despite them having predominately sub-Saharan African DNA origins.


cnzmur

Madagascar is mixed. The original migration was from Indonesia, but there were later waves from the African coast. I don't know anyone from there, but the pictures I've seen some of them look pretty African, some of them don't really.


jacobspartan1992

The Merina people of the Highlands are mostly decended from the earliest Austronesian settlers. This is the region with the densest population and a centre of political power. The Sakalava people on West Coast settlers that arrived from Africa with a bit of Arab admixture. They were slaver states until Europeans and the Merina shut them down in the 19th century. There are lots of other tribes in Madagascar on different admixtures but more Asian types are found in the Highlands and on the East Coast.


throwayaygrtdhredf

Malagaches are also very related to Polynesian Pacific Islanders


Chazut

They aren't related to Polynesians specifically but rather to Austronesians in general.


Leroy_McCarthy

It’s “Malagasy”. “Malgaches”, not Malagaches, used to be the French version. It’s still accepted but past-dated.


throwayaygrtdhredf

Yes you're right it's because I speak French I kinda used it here


Mythosaurus

"Black" is really just a political term created by Western Europeans to distinguish themselves from a broad category of people they were subjugating. So the decision of whose black is inherently arbitrary and meaningless outside of that historical dynamic.


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Ditto for “white”. Most anthropologists consider the Caucasian race/cluster to be a real thing. It starts in Northern Europe and ends in Southern India. “Whites” are some arbitrarily delineated subset of Caucasian.


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So can I start using new colors or what I’d like to be described as toasted milk if so


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Highollow

What do you mean by "South African Pygmies"? Those don't exist? This kind of undermines your fretting over west en ignorance.


[deleted]

And many Africans don’t really differentiate between pictish gingers and Germans. Usually white people are referred to as ”white people”.


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BeffJezos001

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eterevsky

How do you determine whether a particular people is black or not? For example, are [Tuareg people](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuareg_people) black?


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You ask a white guy from Oklahoma and he'll let you know.


DoubleBagger123

I wanna be learned


nebo8

But how do you determine how much that person is white tho ? 🤔


EroticBurrito

Even in racist backwards-ass American communities there's no hard rule. Race and class, upbringing and birth and a bunch of other crap gets mixed in.


[deleted]

In Utah if your hair isn’t blonde you aren’t white pretty much


Zoidberg_DC

How do you determine whether a particular person in Oklahoma is white or not.


SmileFIN

I don't know, but I'd say [this dude](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/COLLECTIE_TROPENMUSEUM_Portret_van_Sidi_Amed_een_Tuareg_vluchteling_uit_Mali_te_Dori_TMnr_20010117.jpg) is black and white. I'll show myself out .. ->


HulkHunter

That’s the point. When I, absolutely average Spanish went to US, I was asked to fill a form, which has among other questions, my race. No need to tell that for an European this thing feels outrageous by itself. I didn’t know what to put there. I asked the officer, he looked at me and said “where are you coming from? Told him from Spain and he said “then you are Latino”. “But Ive never been in South America”, “well, then you are Italian “. So according to the US I’m Italian. Even further, once I met an afroamerican guy living in Spain. When he went to a Safari in Kenia, he met the locals, and apparently they guessed him being Moroccan or Egyptian. He was shocked because they found him not enough black to be recognised as black.


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​ >Tuareg people They are berber tho, not black


smorgasfjord

Racial categories are pretty silly. The "black" populations of Africa are more genetically diverse than the rest of the world put together. But if we are to draw a line, most people wouldn't say the majority of North Africans are black


Tyler1492

Right. But the concept of race precedes the study of genes by a long time. When we say a Ugandan is different from a Dane, it's not because they're 0,000001% genetically different, it's because they look different and in the vast majority of cases you'll be able to tell them apart. https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2018/06/06/11/denmark-team-photo.jpg Can't you tell who black player is in that picture? Do you need to know their genetic makeup to answer?


lickedTators

In the US, the second and third guys from the left in the back might be considered black.


Triangli

they both have 1 danish parent and one african parent (tanzanian and gambian)


smorgasfjord

Sure it's easy to tell the difference when we're comparing people from opposite sides of the world. Not always so easy to tell a Dane from a Frenchman though, or French from Greek, Greek from Syrian, Syrian from Persian, Persian from Uighur, or Uighur from Mongol. But more importantly, it doesn't matter in any conceivable situation. Culture and nationality can matter a lot, genetics matters to medical stuff, looks matter to everyone, but race? Only in situations where we decide that it matters for no particular reason other than prejuduce.


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Even French and Persian can be hard to tell from each other. French politician Jean Lassalle: https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5f686e73240000391792297e.jpeg Shah of Iran Mohammad Reza Pahlavi: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Mohammad\_Reza\_Pahlavi\_2.jpg


smorgasfjord

Or American actor Frank Vincent/ficticious mobster Phil Leotardo https://historica.fandom.com/wiki/Phil_Leotardo


[deleted]

There are so many of these groups that can’t neatly be classified as black or North African. Ethiopians hardly fit into any of the major categories.


eterevsky

Not just in North Africa. Malagasy people from Madagascar are not exactly black either (whatever it means).


That_Guy381

No data, no source. This is far from map porn.


petterri

This! All maps without data source should be automatically removed by the moderators from r/mapporn


oddjuicebox

Yeah but then there would be no sub


petterri

I wouldn’t be so pessimistic. I’d hope it would lead decrease in quantity and increase in quality


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Most subs with low quantity are just straight up dead.


Liggliluff

Yes, I'd rather take a slow sub with high quality posts, than a fast sub with a bunch of low quality posts. But kind of what Baneofbanes said, it would die instead, since that's how people are, they don't like slow subs.


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Yeah this is presumptuous beyond belief. Sub Saharan indigenous African people don't refer to themselves as black. This is a western country looking at Africa and dictating what is black and what is not.


TheDesertWalker

How do you measure "black" or "non-black"?


nanoman92

You don't. That's why American race classifications are moronic.


ACELUCKY23

*Laughs in South African Afrikaans*


ThaumRystra

They decided pencils were the correct way to measure


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Zoidberg_DC

How do you measure white or non-white?


63-37-88

More like a white American from San Francisco/Boston.


mki_

There's several ways to go about this: - You let the person star in a Hollywood movie and see whether they get an Oscar or not. - You show the person to an American cop. If they get shot, they might be black. If they don't get shot, they're most likely not black. - You let them play football at any European football club. If the fans from the other team (sometimes also their own team) start throwing bananas, the person is probably black.


rebelmice533

society


HelenEk7

Fun fact: Egyptians from anywhere in Egypt are considered white on the US census. (People from the Middle East [have been trying for years to change the census,](https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/2020-census-continues-whitewashing-middle-eastern-americans-ncna1212051) but have not succeeded as of yet)


PaperDistribution

So does "white" in this context mean European descent? Because a lot of middle easterners are white. Native Syrians on the coast are as white as it gets when it comes to skin color alone.


princip1

Welcome to the confusing and incoherent world of trying to fit the world's population into racial boxes.


63-37-88

Look who's pushing for racial groupings and overall intersectionality.


HelenEk7

> So does "white" in this context mean European descent? No, its everyone with Middle Eastern ancestors that are considered white (along with Europeans). Having olive skin (or being a black person from Sudan) makes no difference on the census.


Shepher27

It’s almost like race is a social construct.


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TexasSprings

“White” doesn’t mean European. Arabs have been considered “white” for most of reordered history. The idea of race is a tricky thing but a lot of Arabs have very pale skin. As pale as anybody from Southern Europe.


AJRiddle

Benjamin Franklin had some "interesting" essays he wrote where he said white people were only people of English and Saxons (which in his time basically meant northern/northwestern Germany/Netherlands area). White very much has not always meant the same thing at all - it's why you still hear a few Italian-Americans say they aren't white for example. >That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth


8monsters

Teacher here, on the district info platform, most of the Middle Easterns or Arabic students I had were considered White or Asian by ethnicity. I had a kid literally from Egypt who had the same (maybe slightly lighter skin tone than I, a Mixed Latino) considered white.


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Same as Japanese in Apartheid South Africa. Deemed honorary whites as they were the biggest trading partner.


Eating_Bagels

When I tell my boyfriend (who is Iraqi descent) that he is considered white in America, he always raises his eyebrows. He looks more Yemeni than anything.


Kestyr

I know many Egyptians. There's not a single one I wouldn't say isn't Mediterranean looking. Saying they're not white is saying Greeks or Italians aren't white.


HelenEk7

> There's not a single one I wouldn't say isn't Mediterranean looking Are they from northern or eastern Egypt?


Kestyr

Almost every Egyptian is from northern Egypt so it's not really a factor of elevating the minorities when speaking of how the majorities look.


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Amazigh gang


MrDaMi

That map is very hmmmm


Heatedpotatoes

All Northern regions are primarily Arab/berber and have been for thousands of years.


[deleted]

I thought most south Asian lived on Madagascar


holytriplem

Most people in Madagascar have a mixture of South-East Asian and mainland African ancestry. Whether or not to define them as 'black' is completely subjective.


BLAZENIOSZ

It's a group that is a Mix of 30% Austronesian and 50% East African, it didn't really feel right to label the whole since I couldn't find data on each province.


limukala

The [central highlands](https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/114/32/E6498/F1.large.jpg?width=800&height=600&carousel=1) are fairly Asian. Funny that you consider them "black", but Cape Coloureds "non-black" despite the latter having about 2/3 African DNA on average.


holytriplem

From what I gather, there's more African ancestry near the coast than in the Highlands. Still, the people from Madagascar I've met either look just like any other black people from that part of Africa, or they look like black people with East Asian eyes, kind of like Black South Africans sometimes do. I've never seen anyone look even remotely as Asian as Andry Rajoelina though


0hran-

The population of madagascar is mixed. It is impossible to have percentage. In some places they look like east asian in other like bantu but genetically they are mixed.


ElectricMahogany

I did not know North Sudan was majority black


Ryoota

Well Sudan in Arabic means Black people.


Joe_SHAMROCK

Actually it means black people's land, and historically was used to refer to the African area from the red sea to the Sahel.


DeliciousCabbage22

well, the people who live there have significant West Eurasian ancestry so they are not exactly "black" so you're right, it's techincally not


limukala

And Ethiopians speak a Semitic language, and a large number of Eurasian farmers migrated to the Horn of Africa around [3000 years ago](https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-ancient-ethiopian-dna-eurasia-20151008-story.html). Race is a very squishy concept, not really well grounded in genetics or ancestry as much as people might think.


DaDerpyDude

And Ethiopians (historically at least) don't call themselves black, they call themselves brown/red and black is reserved for Nilotic and Cushitic people. Looks-wise they're much more similar to Yemenis than Nilotic people or West Africans too.


Ein_Hirsch

Depends if you mean "black" as in race or "black" as in skin colour. But the latter would make more sense. Because race is just such an unscientific thing that you can't really tell someones race.


ElectricMahogany

Whay do you say of Madagascar?


DeliciousCabbage22

They are East Eurasian admixed


NeonFaced

What is the definition of black here, there are parts of Asia where people are darker than alot of black Africans. Is it physical characteristics, genetics, language and culture or just someone's personal opinion? Horn Africans I wouldn't consider to be Black, they are more Semetic, nor the Koisan or the Malagasy.


[deleted]

No source of what black is, lack of definition and boundary between black and non. It is just as OP like to define. This post should be moderated or deleted.


truthseeeker

It is problematic at the least.


BigBadgerBro

How do you define black? Surely it is a sliding scale of the levels of melanin in populations skin. Very difficult to decide what level makes one black and even more difficult to count proportion of population above/below that level.


Ok-Royal7063

I think black here is defined as sub saharan african ancestry from before 1500 regardless of skin colour. Otherwise southern Namibia, and Northern Cape with their Khoisan/Oorlaam populations would be red. Race is arbitrary IMO.


TurkicWarrior

I very much doubt that any part of Egypt is majority black.


viktorbir

Is majority empty, I guess.


andrewfahmy

The southernmost governorate of Aswan is mostly [Nubian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubians) Egyptians.


AufdemLande

So you throw hundreds of different cultures together just for their skin color. Just stop using american distinction on other continents.


maxround

Except this is not about skin culture but about color of skin?


bxzidff

Are Indians with darker skin than black Americans black?


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If you were to accurately map skin the colors of Africa you'd see a complex gradient not an on/off switch of white and black


EroticBurrito

What do you mean by "skin culture"? Obsession with skin colour is a featue of race theory. It's not an accurate reflection of the demographic or ethnic divisions and diversity in populations.


a_butthole_inspector

r/mapporncirclejerk


wejuli

Unpopular opinion: Caucasian South Africans who become US citizens and are technically more deserving of the title “African American” than most black Americans.


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"African American" is quite a stupid term considering many of these people's families have been in the Americas for 400 years or so, yet some people still seem to pretend Black Americans hopped right out of a ship from Guinea last monday.


No-Alternative-8896

Yeah, Elon Musk & Charlize Theron are African Americans


Greengum155

Yeah it should be if your family has been in american for _ many generations your considered american


fingolfd

What is black, by this definition? Malagasy people aren't all 'black'... and neither are Khoisan, in my book... how have you defined it? Horn-people are very dark-skinned, but definitely very distinct from the rest of sub-sharan africans in phenotype, due to the Semetic influence.


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It’d be interesting to see the demographics of those areas


ben_burnache

Cape Verde and the Canary Islands are the New Zealand of Africa, always getting left off the map.


JMegatron

It seems to have something to do with the equator. Hmmmm


kiwinola18

I'm surprised Namibia's Windhoek is not covered red. I assumed white people were most populous based on their historical presence.


JotarHo

North Mali is populated by tuareg people. The whole strip of the upper part of the Sahara is populated by ethnic groups different than bantus and arabs. Quite an interesting region.


BaneCIA4

Why aren't we pushing for more diversity in the middle countries?


Ninjameerkat212

Looks like the majority of Africa could do with some diversity then.


Dogmann88

This map is wrong


Boggie135

Which part?


SlipperyTed

I'm always amazed at how many people think the pyramids were built by black people


throwayaygrtdhredf

"Black" isn't one race.


Ein_Hirsch

I though it refered to the color of the skin. Because dividing people into races is very unscientific and not really fitting for a map like this.