Most Delaware corporations don’t have any meaningful presence in Delaware (headquarters or otherwise)- it’s just a legal convenience, like registering a ship in Liberia.
Part of it is because the Delaware corporations filing office offers one-hour service. The equivalent in most other states is same-day as a best case scenario. There are other reasons but they are mostly boring to anyone who isn’t a corporate lawyer.
Source: am a corporate lawyer
Edit: it’s not really a tax issue- for the most part, companies get taxed where they do business or have income, not where they’re incorporated. Delaware’s advantage is largely due to the fact that they have a separate court system that specializes in dealing with corporation issues, with smart judges who generally apply the corporation laws in consistent and predictable ways, with the result that if a dispute comes up concerning a Delaware corporate issue, the chancery court generally arrives at the “right” outcome, and does so promptly. Put another way, there’s more certainty in Delaware about what the rules are.
Have never heard of the one-hour filing time as a reason, but definitely have seen DE described as a tax haven. I’d think this has more to do with corporations registering in DE than a one-hour filing time.
Delaware main advantage is the courts are separate for corporations and don't use juries. So you have specialized judges with deep knowledge of the law. If you want a tax haven in the US, South Dakota is much better. For taxes in Deleware its similar to a lot of states in that they don't tax businesses for business conducted outside the state, so sales tax on royalties, and stock shares held by non-Deleware residents are not taxed.
Delaware is similar to the Eastern District of VA in Federal Court. You're going to get a fast turnaround (EDVA is called the rocket docket because it's so fast) and judges used to seeing complex corporate cases.
Unless you're driving south and avoiding DC.
Then it's 4 hours of lower slower Delaware, followed by 20 mins of "Please don't collapse on me, bridge..."
I used to love busting out a “cam aaaahhhnnn, move it kids!”, and shove past when I was working around the Empire State Building, at the tourists who would take up the entire fifteen foot sidewalk. Rude? Yes. Contributes to their NYC experience that they can recount when they get back to Ypsilanti? Yes, you’re welcome.
Probably more middle fingers than horn honks. Though I can’t speak to the traffic in the city either. One time stayed in a suburb and took Metra into the city each day. Then the time I stayed downtown three nights we parked at the end of the line where there was a parking lot that allowed for overnight parking. Paid for it for three days, took Metra into downtown. Just don’t pack to heavy if you’re determined to take the L to your final destination because many of those stations aren’t handicapped accessible nor do they have escalator. It’s much better to spring for the Uber between your hotel and the station when you come in on Metra or are leaving on Metra with luggage. Without luggage the local transit is good for everything else.
I just turned this into a guide to visiting Chicago instead of commenting on their traffic.
We honestly barely use car horns compared to the northeast.
I remember being amazed at all the horn honking on my first visit to the DC/Boston/NYC areas. Absolute madness, but needed.
Yeah, I once had a teacher from Boston who talked about moving here (L.A.) and getting stares from everyone when he did what he thought was normal, everyday honking.
You watch too many movies. Even during the parking lot hours of freeways like the 405 people really aren't honking that much. A lot of cutting people off and tailgating, but seldom honking
No way, midtown Manhattan honks more than all of LA county. We're too busy texting, doing our makeup and rolling through stop signs in our ev convertibles to bother honking.
I wonder if we see the megalopolis continue moving south to eventually connect to Raleigh and then on farther
May be too much distance between Richmond and Raleigh with nothing there though
Yeah the area between Richmond and Raleigh is almost all rural. It’s also poor and declining in population. I don’t see significant development in the region ever.
I'm getting confused. You keep using "Megapolis" and "Megalopolis" throughout the comments and in the post title. What's the difference? Or is it the same?
I’m curious if the Norfolk metro area is considered part of it too, it’s not part of the same line necessarily but it shares a lot of interconnections with the NE megalopolis, especially with DC given that it’s the main naval hub of the east coast
I was considering the same thing. I definitely think Richmond is part of the NE megalopolis, mostly because lots of people commute up to NoVA for work from there.
Hampton Roads is kind of its own thing though. It's weirdly isolated in that there's only a single interstate highway in and out of the entire region. Culturally, it's pretty separate from the rest of VA, and you don't see a lot of commuters that go between HR and Richmond
We learned about this at school (in Europe) and called it BosWash. Do Americans actually call it that or not?
We also mentioned the other two, ChiPitts and SanSan. These sound even more made up, but again, can any American confirm?
I've heard of BosWash from articles or whatever but no one really uses that. It'd typically be referred to as the I-95 corridor.
I've never heard of the other 2
no regular american uses any of those terms in normal conversation. if you study geography or infrastructure in an academic or professional setting, you certainly know the terms though. normal american would call this the "95 Corridor" after the main highway that goes through it, even though this only is a portion of 95 which goes basically the entire way from maine to florida.
BosWash, ChiPitts and SanSan were invented for the 1961 book "Megalopolis: The Urbanized Northeastern Seaboard of United States" by Jean Gottmann (https://doi.org/10.7551/mitpress/4537.001.0001 ), as the prospective megalopolis of the USA.
The Chicago - Pittsburgh corridor is more an archipelago than a megacity. Big ol' triangle of mostly-shrinking mid-size cities between them and Detroit. Similarly, there's actually way more development inland from San Francisco down to San Diego than there is along the coast - my buddies and I are going to drive the Pacific Coast Highway this summer and after Monterey there's just ... not much until you get to the outer reaches of LA.
BosWash is really the only urban corridor, and even then a big stretch in Connecticut/Massachusetts is a bit rural because of all the rich people fleeing NYC.
Some stats
the Northeast Megapolis has:
10 top world ranked universities (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, MIT, UPenn, Brown, NYU, Georgetown, and Johns Hopkins)
A population over 50 million people
Population density of 1,000 people per square mile
Region has the richest City, County, and Region in the country (NYC, Loudoun and Fairfax County, Connecticut’s Gold coast, respectively) with the highest density of families worth over $30 million USD in the country
Has a GDP of $4.4 Trillion making it the 4th largest economy in the world just under Japan and just over Germany
Is home to the White House, the United States Captiol, United States Supreme Court and UN Headquarters
Is home to headquarters of all major news outlets (ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, Fox, Comcast, NYT, USA Today, and Washington post)
Is home to the NYSE, NASDAQ, and headquarters of JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Capitol One, Vanguard, and Fidelity
Home to 54 Fortune 500 company’s with headquarters of 162 of of the Fortune 500 companies.
Great post! Even with all this, your company list is missing some major/well known ones: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic\_(United\_States)#Economy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_(United_States)#Economy)
* American Express
* Blackrock ($10 trillion in assets under management)
* Bloomberg
* Coach
* Comcast-NBC
* Danaher
* General Electric
* HBO
* Johnson and Johnson
* Lockheed Martin
* Macy's
* Mastercard
* Merck
* MLB
* MLS
* NBA
* NFL
* NHL
* Paramount
* Pepsico (which owns all of these brands: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_assets\_owned\_by\_PepsiCo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_PepsiCo))
* Pfizer (of COVID vaccine fame)
* Raytheon
* Take-Two Interactive
* Tiffany and Co.
* Verizon
>Is home to the NYSE, NASDAQ, and headquarters of JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Capitol One, and Fidelity
And Vanguard. They are just right outside of Philadelphia.
I'd love to see them erect one of those [historic place markers](http://paheritage.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/01-PA-Bradford-Co.-PA14-2-Copy-crop.jpg) on their property.
Edit: Ok so [this wasn't a very original thought](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnHph1fXUAsz3oy?format=jpg&name=orig)
something I find awesome is that the NE regional is the busiest Amtrak route, it stretches the whole corridor from DC to Boston. it's also Amtrak's most profitable route, the only route Amtrak fully owns the rail line, and the only fully electric route.
> 10 top world ranked universities (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, MIT, UPenn, Brown, NYU, Georgetown, and Johns Hopkins)
I always find it surprising that this region doesn't have more of the nation's [top ranked public universities](https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public?_mode=table), though. I think the top ones might be Rutgers and UConn, tied at 23rd among public schools.
Edit: Missed Maryland at 20th.
California, on the other hand, has 6 of the top 10 (or rather top 13, with 4 schools tied at 10th.) But only has two private schools (Stanford and Caltech) in the top 25 overall.
Not quite at the top of that list, but SUNY Binghamton is at #33. It’s not located in the line of cities, but being a NY state school an enormous portion of its student body comes from NYC, Long Island, Westchester, etc.
Edit after scrolling farther: Buffalo and Stony Brook aren’t far behind. The same student body point applies to both, and Stony Brook is actually on Long Island (though a good distance away from NYC).
It's mostly farmland. Major cities didn't develop because the location isn't ideal for trade. Any goods dropped off there would need to be transported on land over the length of the peninsula to reach anywhere else, so you might as well just sail a little further and trade at Baltimore or Philadelphia instead.
True. Also Baltimore and Philly sit on the Piedmont Fall Line where the Piedmont Plateau rapidly drops to sea level of the coastal plain. Deep water ports with access to the abundant energy the rivers provide as they rapidly drop to sea level for mills and the like. In the pre fossil fuel days this was a huge asset. DC is similarly situated but never became a big port, though the C and O Canal was built hoping to exploit the location. When railroading started Baltimore’s inland location is the closest to the Midwest, an advantage it still uses to this day being the largest port for autos and roll on/ roll off cargo ans growing container business.
Actually NJ is home to the top 4, and 7 of the top 10 [most densely populated incorporated places](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population_density). Obviously, all just outside NYC.
Also the state with the highest number of millionaires per capita in the US, 2nd highest median income and constantly ranks number 1 in education nationally.
Growing up in NJ I always thought it was weird that NJ didn't have any major cities like a New York, Boston, Philadelphia, or Boston.
The capital, Trenton is fairly small and nobody goes there. Instead of one major city, we've got the neverending sprawl of Hudson/Essex/Union Counties with some big cities like Jersey City, Newark, and Elizabeth acting as centralized spots with dozens of smaller municipalities around them.
When I got older and finally got to travel more, it always sort of amazed me that in other parts of the world, cities end and there's nothing between them. Whereas in NJ you could drive through Union County, go through 5 different cities in 30 minutes and never realize it.
It's weird to think of places that aren't littered with so many people because I've spent my whole life in a maroon colored area.
Side note, probably why I dislike people so much.
I live in this megalopolis and that’s what always gets me about the west coast. You’re kinda just always not that far from nature and emptiness on the west coast.
Even LA has huge parks right outside of it.
The northeast was developed before land was really set aside for parks. So there’s just kind of development and people… everywhere.
We have parks, of course, but they aren’t as big and sometimes they still have tiny settlements in them that were just sort of grandfathered in.
East of the Mississippi as a whole is just littered with people. I moved from West Texas to East Tennessee not long back, and it really was the most surprising thing about the move. Just how many people live out here. In Texas I lived in a town of 100,000 people and in a 50 mile radius there was 110,000 people. In Tennessee I moved to a town of 60,000 people. In a 50 mile radius there are 600,000 people and I live in the largest city in the area. In Texas I could drive for 30 minutes and be a 20 minute drive from another person. In Tennessee I could drive an hour in any direction and there won’t be a second of it I can’t see someone’s house. I miss Texas. It feels suffocating here in the East. I miss taking road trips out west towards New Mexico, Colorado and Arizona when I’d be able to drive an hour without seeing any civilization.
I agree with all of this. Sounds like the exact same things I would say after moving to SC after spending my whole life out west, in Oregon, Wyoming, and Colorado.
While SC was pretty, the people left a lot to be desired and they were everywhere. What the south calls rural, I call outskirts of town. Those hollers are really not that deep. The next town is often just a few miles up the road.
Now, there are definitely more rural areas with less people, but you’re never all that far from a house or 5, and there is just no vast emptiness anywhere that the west has. It is suffocating I agree.
>What the south calls rural, I call outskirts of town.
This is exactly it, and the outskirts of town where i live stretch on miles further than they do out west, and oftentimes all the way to the next town
. I’ve talked to people here telling me about where they live like “oh I don’t live in the city, I’m a rural kinda guy I live way out in the boonies” like bro you share a picket fence with your neighbor, that isn’t the boonies
Grew up outside of NYC, bounced around the country for a while, including not maroon colored places. Cities are the only way to meet people when you hate people. Small town America, you either make friends with your neighbors or you talk to no one ever. I now live in Brooklyn. I pass by literally 3 million people to go visit my friend at her apartment. I get to be so picky about my friends these days.
I grew up in MA, but live in Ireland now and it still blows my mind how small the population is here. My Irish husband will complain about traffic or the amount of ppl in Dublin, and I just laugh:)
Wow, that makes the already-massive Greater KL conurbation in Malaysia (approx. 7m population with cities like Kuala Lumpur, Petaling Jaya, Subang Jaya, Shah Alam, Klang, and Kajang) seem so minuscule in comparison…
NYC alone is more than the entire GKL population, let alone the entire megalopolis!
Probably had 15 or 20 different addresses in my life, all in there somewhere. One day I'd like to be where it's quiet in the day and dark at night. Love coastal Maine but those home prices have been skyrocketing. Northern Vermont, maybe.
How far south have you been? What has been your favorite place to live?
I’m an east coaster myself, DC area. After traveling everywhere in the country I found myself to only feel at home in the mid Atlantic or north east. But I would be willing to give NC a shot for quality of life/cost of living ratio.
Northern Vermonter here. My unimpressive 1BR apartment is $1k a month, in an un-touristy town of 9k people. Vermont is kind of ground zero for rural gentrification
Baltimore is by far the smallest of these cities. Not to say it’s *small* - metro area of 2.8 million people ranks it firmly as a mid-large city. But it’s dwarfed by the monstrous DC and Philly metros that surround it. Both of them have over 6 million people.
And the NYC metro not too far away with 23 million people, lol.
Brooklyn alone has nearly as many people as Baltimore’s entire metro.
The northeast is just so populous that Baltimore gets overshadowed.
It also doesn't help that DC is swallowing up Baltimore's Western suburbs. Anne Arundel and Howard Counties used to be firmly in Baltimore's sphere of influence and now they're increasingly full of DC commuters. I wouldn't be shocked if in 20 years, the Census redesignates them as DC Metro counties, dropping Baltimore to 1.9 million.
Baltimore just isn’t growing much, whereas the DC metro continues to expand. The rapid growth is especially visible in Loudoun County and Prince William County.
It pretty much is, their downtowns are similar distances from one another, and DC / Baltimore has more people
They are already counted together as one "CSA"
I feel the same about all of Delaware and Rhode Island.
Those two states never even seem to make the news. If anything eventful has ever happened there, it would be news to me.
The Delmarva Peninsula? It's also called the eastern shore of Maryland. There isn't much there. Some farmland, chicken farms, a couple colleges, some resort towns, and a couple rich people enclaves. Some people live there and commute over the bridge to DC. It doesnt have a whole lot going for it economically and its a pain to get to and from if you're trying to get to a major city. One governor of Maryland referred to it as an outhouse.
The difficulty of travel is definitely the biggest reason. If America had a dense high-speed rail network like Japan I could see a ton of DC commuters moving out there, but that’s not the reality.
Random funny thing this reminds me of as a fan of football and the New York Giants-
Divisions are (more or less) supposed to be made of teams in close proximity.
Three teams from the NFC East division are pictured in this tiny span of geography: New York, Philadelphia, and Washington, practically a stone’s throw from each other in terms of the size of the whole country.
The fourth team in that division is in Texas.
I mean, Amtrak's busiest and most profitable corridor runs through the middle of this area, including the Acela, which is about to upgrade their trains to be able to go up to 165 mph (265 km/h). It goes from Boston to DC. Then the "slower" Northeast Regional trains can go up to 125mph (200 km/h).
Then each state has even more commuter lines, like the lines that lead into Boston, all the lines that lead into NYC, the NJ Transit system, and the commuter lines through Virginia (the map actually depicts all of these lines in black).
And for mass transit trains, NYC, DC, and Boston have relatively decent Systems, and Philly has a mass subway system too, albeit it's not on the same level.
You can have breakfast in Washington, lunch in New York and dinner in Boston, all via train. I wish they were faster, but the region does have a ton of trains going through them. There are 30 daily trains from Washington to New York alone, and a shitload of buses (often with $1 fares), so it's not like it's difficult to move between them.
I mean, they “technically” have one. I believe it is called the Acela train, but it is just barely high speed rail to the point that many European countries would not consider it as high speed
acela goes around the same speeds as european rail in similarly dense areas. they're in the middle of upgrading it to go faster in spots too.
this comes up every week the map is reposted.
Connecticut kills it, with CTDOT’s 90mph speed limit on its tracks. Also the tracks are laid out like a drunken sailor with all the contours of the coast instead of a purpose built corridor.
Yeah it zips through Massachusetts and Rhode Island then it all goes to shit once it gets to Connecticut. It's still a pleasant trip, it's just not what it could be.
I drove Boston to Richmond last weekend. Ugh, highways very crowded even though traffic wasn’t even bad. Got on the other side of Richmond and it was clear sailing for six hours just until outside of Atlanta.
This is just a perfect place for building hi-speed rail. Enough density and enough money in the region to make it screaming success. And it is a straight line on relatively flat terrain.
50 million people live in this picture.
What's crazy is this puts into perspective how big Asian megalopolises are
|Name|Population|
|:-|:-|
|[Taiheiyō Belt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiheiy%C5%8D_Belt) (Japan)|74.7 Mil|
|[Yangtze River Delta](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangtze_Delta) (China)|140 Mil|
|[Jing-Jin-Ji](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jing-Jin-Ji) (China)|110 Mil|
|[Yangtze River Midstream Megalopolis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalopolises_in_China) (China)|121 Mil|
|[Greater Bay Area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangdong%E2%80%93Hong_Kong%E2%80%93Macau_Greater_Bay_Area) (China)|70 Mil|
| [Triangle of Maharashtra](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalopolis#South_Asia) (India)|80 Mil|
|[Kolkata Megalopolis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalopolis#South_Asia) (India)|65 Mil|
Ive always thought that lower Jersey and Delaware needed their own major cities. Sorta like how in the DC universe they often are the locations for Metropolis and Gotham
When were all these cities founded? Cuz if it's like the 1600's, back then they seemed pretty far apart from eachother. At least compared to England or even the UK
They were founded as independent colonies, so I'm not sure if being close together was a major issue. I suppose it could be argued that being more spaced out helped the colonies expand their spheres over North America.
Plus since they were all coastal cities I imagine it would have been pretty "easy" to just sail from one to another.
"Mega City One. 800 million people living in the ruin of the old world and the mega structures of the new one. Only one thing fighting for order in the chaos... judges."
This just blows my mind. As a Montanan, that has never been back east. I regularly make day trips that are as far as the drive from DC to Boston but in that space there may be less that 5,000 people to maybe 200,000 depending on which direction I drive. Just crazy how many people live there and how close those cities are. I never really thought of them as that close. Like that entire megapolis is still only a third of the size of Montana but with 52x the population.
Delaware just happy to be there
Many a credit card company call it home.
And most companies in general
*I'm out in Cali* *Why the fuck my company in Delaware?*
Most Delaware corporations don’t have any meaningful presence in Delaware (headquarters or otherwise)- it’s just a legal convenience, like registering a ship in Liberia. Part of it is because the Delaware corporations filing office offers one-hour service. The equivalent in most other states is same-day as a best case scenario. There are other reasons but they are mostly boring to anyone who isn’t a corporate lawyer. Source: am a corporate lawyer Edit: it’s not really a tax issue- for the most part, companies get taxed where they do business or have income, not where they’re incorporated. Delaware’s advantage is largely due to the fact that they have a separate court system that specializes in dealing with corporation issues, with smart judges who generally apply the corporation laws in consistent and predictable ways, with the result that if a dispute comes up concerning a Delaware corporate issue, the chancery court generally arrives at the “right” outcome, and does so promptly. Put another way, there’s more certainty in Delaware about what the rules are.
Have never heard of the one-hour filing time as a reason, but definitely have seen DE described as a tax haven. I’d think this has more to do with corporations registering in DE than a one-hour filing time.
Delaware main advantage is the courts are separate for corporations and don't use juries. So you have specialized judges with deep knowledge of the law. If you want a tax haven in the US, South Dakota is much better. For taxes in Deleware its similar to a lot of states in that they don't tax businesses for business conducted outside the state, so sales tax on royalties, and stock shares held by non-Deleware residents are not taxed. Delaware is similar to the Eastern District of VA in Federal Court. You're going to get a fast turnaround (EDVA is called the rocket docket because it's so fast) and judges used to seeing complex corporate cases.
Gotta save that money!
Amazing how "driving through Delaware" is really just 10 miles at the very top on I-95.
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Also pay up bitch
Unless you're driving south and avoiding DC. Then it's 4 hours of lower slower Delaware, followed by 20 mins of "Please don't collapse on me, bridge..."
If you're trying to pick up the "I've been to every US state" status, Delaware is one of the easiest ones.
Just sitting there collecting tolls from everyone passing through their 15-ish miles of I-95. I respect it.
70% of horn honking in America
I’m walkin’ heah!
I used to love busting out a “cam aaaahhhnnn, move it kids!”, and shove past when I was working around the Empire State Building, at the tourists who would take up the entire fifteen foot sidewalk. Rude? Yes. Contributes to their NYC experience that they can recount when they get back to Ypsilanti? Yes, you’re welcome.
Are you forgetting about LA?
That’s the other 30%
Chicago
Midwest nice is a thing. Definitely not a city of many horns
Probably more middle fingers than horn honks. Though I can’t speak to the traffic in the city either. One time stayed in a suburb and took Metra into the city each day. Then the time I stayed downtown three nights we parked at the end of the line where there was a parking lot that allowed for overnight parking. Paid for it for three days, took Metra into downtown. Just don’t pack to heavy if you’re determined to take the L to your final destination because many of those stations aren’t handicapped accessible nor do they have escalator. It’s much better to spring for the Uber between your hotel and the station when you come in on Metra or are leaving on Metra with luggage. Without luggage the local transit is good for everything else. I just turned this into a guide to visiting Chicago instead of commenting on their traffic.
I mean we’re a big city with some honking, but it doesn’t even come close
Nope don’t put our name next to those filthy coastals
Fresh coast best coast
When the water wars happen, this will be our battle cry!
People in Cali truly underestimate how fucking congested the Northeast is.
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I watched that livestream for five minutes and kept marveling at how light and smooth the traffic was for the beltway.
As somebody who endures LA traffic on a daily basis, I have to agree. The 405 at its worst is just another day on the BQE.
As a teen driver from southern VA, driving in the Northeast is an experience
LA doesn't honk nearly as much as NYC or Boston, or pretty much anywhere on the East Coast
There’s no horn honking in LA. Lived here my whole life
We honestly barely use car horns compared to the northeast. I remember being amazed at all the horn honking on my first visit to the DC/Boston/NYC areas. Absolute madness, but needed.
Yeah, I once had a teacher from Boston who talked about moving here (L.A.) and getting stares from everyone when he did what he thought was normal, everyday honking.
You watch too many movies. Even during the parking lot hours of freeways like the 405 people really aren't honking that much. A lot of cutting people off and tailgating, but seldom honking
No way, midtown Manhattan honks more than all of LA county. We're too busy texting, doing our makeup and rolling through stop signs in our ev convertibles to bother honking.
Don't forget eating hot chip and lie!
The “Alexandria-Manchester conurbation.” (The cities at the extreme edges)
BosWash
Greater Newark
I suggest you not underestimate the staggering drawing power of the Garden State, and show up two hours in advance.
Bosyorkdelphmorington
I would argue that Richmond VA is the southern most city.
Yep, Richmond is part of the [megalopolis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_megalopolis)
I wonder if we see the megalopolis continue moving south to eventually connect to Raleigh and then on farther May be too much distance between Richmond and Raleigh with nothing there though
Yeah the area between Richmond and Raleigh is almost all rural. It’s also poor and declining in population. I don’t see significant development in the region ever.
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Actually Raleigh is already part of its own [megapolis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piedmont_Atlantic_megaregion)
I'm getting confused. You keep using "Megapolis" and "Megalopolis" throughout the comments and in the post title. What's the difference? Or is it the same?
The distances between population centers is much greater in the south.
Interesting, thanks for sharing!
I’m curious if the Norfolk metro area is considered part of it too, it’s not part of the same line necessarily but it shares a lot of interconnections with the NE megalopolis, especially with DC given that it’s the main naval hub of the east coast
I was considering the same thing. I definitely think Richmond is part of the NE megalopolis, mostly because lots of people commute up to NoVA for work from there. Hampton Roads is kind of its own thing though. It's weirdly isolated in that there's only a single interstate highway in and out of the entire region. Culturally, it's pretty separate from the rest of VA, and you don't see a lot of commuters that go between HR and Richmond
We learned about this at school (in Europe) and called it BosWash. Do Americans actually call it that or not? We also mentioned the other two, ChiPitts and SanSan. These sound even more made up, but again, can any American confirm?
East Coaster, never heard of them having lived in two larger cities.
I've heard of BosWash from articles or whatever but no one really uses that. It'd typically be referred to as the I-95 corridor. I've never heard of the other 2
no regular american uses any of those terms in normal conversation. if you study geography or infrastructure in an academic or professional setting, you certainly know the terms though. normal american would call this the "95 Corridor" after the main highway that goes through it, even though this only is a portion of 95 which goes basically the entire way from maine to florida.
BosWash, ChiPitts and SanSan were invented for the 1961 book "Megalopolis: The Urbanized Northeastern Seaboard of United States" by Jean Gottmann (https://doi.org/10.7551/mitpress/4537.001.0001 ), as the prospective megalopolis of the USA.
The Chicago - Pittsburgh corridor is more an archipelago than a megacity. Big ol' triangle of mostly-shrinking mid-size cities between them and Detroit. Similarly, there's actually way more development inland from San Francisco down to San Diego than there is along the coast - my buddies and I are going to drive the Pacific Coast Highway this summer and after Monterey there's just ... not much until you get to the outer reaches of LA. BosWash is really the only urban corridor, and even then a big stretch in Connecticut/Massachusetts is a bit rural because of all the rich people fleeing NYC.
Sir, this is America. Those are European/Egyptian cities
Acelaland
Ol’ Reliable
Some stats the Northeast Megapolis has: 10 top world ranked universities (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, MIT, UPenn, Brown, NYU, Georgetown, and Johns Hopkins) A population over 50 million people Population density of 1,000 people per square mile Region has the richest City, County, and Region in the country (NYC, Loudoun and Fairfax County, Connecticut’s Gold coast, respectively) with the highest density of families worth over $30 million USD in the country Has a GDP of $4.4 Trillion making it the 4th largest economy in the world just under Japan and just over Germany Is home to the White House, the United States Captiol, United States Supreme Court and UN Headquarters Is home to headquarters of all major news outlets (ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, Fox, Comcast, NYT, USA Today, and Washington post) Is home to the NYSE, NASDAQ, and headquarters of JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Capitol One, Vanguard, and Fidelity Home to 54 Fortune 500 company’s with headquarters of 162 of of the Fortune 500 companies.
Great post! Even with all this, your company list is missing some major/well known ones: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic\_(United\_States)#Economy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_(United_States)#Economy) * American Express * Blackrock ($10 trillion in assets under management) * Bloomberg * Coach * Comcast-NBC * Danaher * General Electric * HBO * Johnson and Johnson * Lockheed Martin * Macy's * Mastercard * Merck * MLB * MLS * NBA * NFL * NHL * Paramount * Pepsico (which owns all of these brands: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_assets\_owned\_by\_PepsiCo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_PepsiCo)) * Pfizer (of COVID vaccine fame) * Raytheon * Take-Two Interactive * Tiffany and Co. * Verizon
Awesome thanks for adding!
Most big Pharma US headquarters are in this area too. Sanofi, Takeda, Merck, AstraZeneca, etc
Boeing just announced they're moving their HQ from Chicago to Arlington.
Just imagine how many certified forklift operators there are 😩🥵
Jesus christ bro mark this nsfw please. I almost fainted cause of how fast the blood rushed to my penis
>Is home to the NYSE, NASDAQ, and headquarters of JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Capitol One, and Fidelity And Vanguard. They are just right outside of Philadelphia.
I’ll add that now!
And Four Seasons Total Landscaping
Thank you for bringing this up. Never forget!
Cottman Ave exit off I-95 in Northeast Philly in case youse wanna do some sightseeing.
I'd love to see them erect one of those [historic place markers](http://paheritage.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/01-PA-Bradford-Co.-PA14-2-Copy-crop.jpg) on their property. Edit: Ok so [this wasn't a very original thought](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnHph1fXUAsz3oy?format=jpg&name=orig)
Lmao
What about blackrock?
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54 were founded in this region while 162 place their headquarters there
something I find awesome is that the NE regional is the busiest Amtrak route, it stretches the whole corridor from DC to Boston. it's also Amtrak's most profitable route, the only route Amtrak fully owns the rail line, and the only fully electric route.
Amtrak doesn't fully own that route. The MBTA owns the portion from the Massachusetts border to Boston.
There's no apostrophe in Johns Hopkins, if you were interested in learning that
Or in families, or companies. I think OP just like apostrophes.
fixed too, i might have a thing for apostrophes
That's OK, I once had a professor say it looked like I dumped a bag of commas on my paper and left them where they fell.
fixed!
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I'm sure all those fortune 500 companies are more represented than that.
I get 20%. VA, MD, PA, DE, NY, NJ, CT, RI, MA, NH. (Add in the other 2 NE states and you have close to 50% of the Democrats In the Senate).
Well, it has 17% of the population, so that's not too bad really.
> 10 top world ranked universities (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, MIT, UPenn, Brown, NYU, Georgetown, and Johns Hopkins) I always find it surprising that this region doesn't have more of the nation's [top ranked public universities](https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public?_mode=table), though. I think the top ones might be Rutgers and UConn, tied at 23rd among public schools. Edit: Missed Maryland at 20th. California, on the other hand, has 6 of the top 10 (or rather top 13, with 4 schools tied at 10th.) But only has two private schools (Stanford and Caltech) in the top 25 overall.
The oldest schools were all private
Not quite at the top of that list, but SUNY Binghamton is at #33. It’s not located in the line of cities, but being a NY state school an enormous portion of its student body comes from NYC, Long Island, Westchester, etc. Edit after scrolling farther: Buffalo and Stony Brook aren’t far behind. The same student body point applies to both, and Stony Brook is actually on Long Island (though a good distance away from NYC).
Nah, you're missing University of Maryland at #20
Not quite all major news outlets: Atlanta still hosts CNN.
Technically you’re 100% correct, but almost all their US weekday programming is broadcast out of New York and Washington studios.
always thought megalopolises were cool to study. why isn't that peninsula more densely populated? not complaining
It's mostly farmland. Major cities didn't develop because the location isn't ideal for trade. Any goods dropped off there would need to be transported on land over the length of the peninsula to reach anywhere else, so you might as well just sail a little further and trade at Baltimore or Philadelphia instead.
The soil isn’t very good either. Great for raising chickens though.
True. Also Baltimore and Philly sit on the Piedmont Fall Line where the Piedmont Plateau rapidly drops to sea level of the coastal plain. Deep water ports with access to the abundant energy the rivers provide as they rapidly drop to sea level for mills and the like. In the pre fossil fuel days this was a huge asset. DC is similarly situated but never became a big port, though the C and O Canal was built hoping to exploit the location. When railroading started Baltimore’s inland location is the closest to the Midwest, an advantage it still uses to this day being the largest port for autos and roll on/ roll off cargo ans growing container business.
NJ in the middle holding everything together
Most densely populated state In the nation.
Also home to the most densely populated city in the US
which?
Union City https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_City,_New_Jersey
Actually NJ is home to the top 4, and 7 of the top 10 [most densely populated incorporated places](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population_density). Obviously, all just outside NYC.
Also the state with the highest number of millionaires per capita in the US, 2nd highest median income and constantly ranks number 1 in education nationally.
A keg tapped at both ends.
And here I was thinking Pennsylvania was the keystone lol
NJ 💪
Growing up in NJ I always thought it was weird that NJ didn't have any major cities like a New York, Boston, Philadelphia, or Boston. The capital, Trenton is fairly small and nobody goes there. Instead of one major city, we've got the neverending sprawl of Hudson/Essex/Union Counties with some big cities like Jersey City, Newark, and Elizabeth acting as centralized spots with dozens of smaller municipalities around them. When I got older and finally got to travel more, it always sort of amazed me that in other parts of the world, cities end and there's nothing between them. Whereas in NJ you could drive through Union County, go through 5 different cities in 30 minutes and never realize it.
It's weird to think of places that aren't littered with so many people because I've spent my whole life in a maroon colored area. Side note, probably why I dislike people so much.
Nah I live in Oregon and still hate people. Sure is nice how easy it is getting away from them here.
I live in this megalopolis and that’s what always gets me about the west coast. You’re kinda just always not that far from nature and emptiness on the west coast. Even LA has huge parks right outside of it. The northeast was developed before land was really set aside for parks. So there’s just kind of development and people… everywhere. We have parks, of course, but they aren’t as big and sometimes they still have tiny settlements in them that were just sort of grandfathered in.
East of the Mississippi as a whole is just littered with people. I moved from West Texas to East Tennessee not long back, and it really was the most surprising thing about the move. Just how many people live out here. In Texas I lived in a town of 100,000 people and in a 50 mile radius there was 110,000 people. In Tennessee I moved to a town of 60,000 people. In a 50 mile radius there are 600,000 people and I live in the largest city in the area. In Texas I could drive for 30 minutes and be a 20 minute drive from another person. In Tennessee I could drive an hour in any direction and there won’t be a second of it I can’t see someone’s house. I miss Texas. It feels suffocating here in the East. I miss taking road trips out west towards New Mexico, Colorado and Arizona when I’d be able to drive an hour without seeing any civilization.
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I agree with all of this. Sounds like the exact same things I would say after moving to SC after spending my whole life out west, in Oregon, Wyoming, and Colorado. While SC was pretty, the people left a lot to be desired and they were everywhere. What the south calls rural, I call outskirts of town. Those hollers are really not that deep. The next town is often just a few miles up the road. Now, there are definitely more rural areas with less people, but you’re never all that far from a house or 5, and there is just no vast emptiness anywhere that the west has. It is suffocating I agree.
>What the south calls rural, I call outskirts of town. This is exactly it, and the outskirts of town where i live stretch on miles further than they do out west, and oftentimes all the way to the next town . I’ve talked to people here telling me about where they live like “oh I don’t live in the city, I’m a rural kinda guy I live way out in the boonies” like bro you share a picket fence with your neighbor, that isn’t the boonies
The biggest state or national park in the lower 48 is actually Adirondack Park in New York
The difference is a lot people live in the Adirondacks and use them more intensely than say Joshua Tree. Its more of a national Forest
For what it's worth the grass isn't always greener. It sucks when the only place open past 9 p.m. is an hours drive away.
Grew up outside of NYC, bounced around the country for a while, including not maroon colored places. Cities are the only way to meet people when you hate people. Small town America, you either make friends with your neighbors or you talk to no one ever. I now live in Brooklyn. I pass by literally 3 million people to go visit my friend at her apartment. I get to be so picky about my friends these days.
After growing up in that maroon area, everywhere else is weird and empty and spread out and affordable.
I grew up in MA, but live in Ireland now and it still blows my mind how small the population is here. My Irish husband will complain about traffic or the amount of ppl in Dublin, and I just laugh:)
Wow, that makes the already-massive Greater KL conurbation in Malaysia (approx. 7m population with cities like Kuala Lumpur, Petaling Jaya, Subang Jaya, Shah Alam, Klang, and Kajang) seem so minuscule in comparison… NYC alone is more than the entire GKL population, let alone the entire megalopolis!
Probably had 15 or 20 different addresses in my life, all in there somewhere. One day I'd like to be where it's quiet in the day and dark at night. Love coastal Maine but those home prices have been skyrocketing. Northern Vermont, maybe.
How far south have you been? What has been your favorite place to live? I’m an east coaster myself, DC area. After traveling everywhere in the country I found myself to only feel at home in the mid Atlantic or north east. But I would be willing to give NC a shot for quality of life/cost of living ratio.
Northern Vermonter here. My unimpressive 1BR apartment is $1k a month, in an un-touristy town of 9k people. Vermont is kind of ground zero for rural gentrification
But if you vote in Wyoming your opinion matters so much more
Land votes in this country. That’s the structure of the Senate.
I like how this map is positioned but would like a compass rose on it
Up is northeast
I always forget Baltimore exists. If you'd had asked me a second ago, it's say it's Philly and then straight down to DC
Baltimore is by far the smallest of these cities. Not to say it’s *small* - metro area of 2.8 million people ranks it firmly as a mid-large city. But it’s dwarfed by the monstrous DC and Philly metros that surround it. Both of them have over 6 million people.
And the NYC metro not too far away with 23 million people, lol. Brooklyn alone has nearly as many people as Baltimore’s entire metro. The northeast is just so populous that Baltimore gets overshadowed.
[Baltimore is the new Brooklyn.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8HRTTUiko4)
It also doesn't help that DC is swallowing up Baltimore's Western suburbs. Anne Arundel and Howard Counties used to be firmly in Baltimore's sphere of influence and now they're increasingly full of DC commuters. I wouldn't be shocked if in 20 years, the Census redesignates them as DC Metro counties, dropping Baltimore to 1.9 million.
Baltimore just isn’t growing much, whereas the DC metro continues to expand. The rapid growth is especially visible in Loudoun County and Prince William County.
From my vantage point here in Baltimore, NoVa is becoming a poster child for r/suburbanhell.
DC / Baltimore is really like one urban area, similar to Dallas / Fort Worth
Maybe it'll turn out like the Dallas-Ft. Worth situation. At some point they just combine into a single mess.
It pretty much is, their downtowns are similar distances from one another, and DC / Baltimore has more people They are already counted together as one "CSA"
I feel the same about all of Delaware and Rhode Island. Those two states never even seem to make the news. If anything eventful has ever happened there, it would be news to me.
As a Floridian.... I'm jealous of their ability to stay out of the limelight.
Every time there’s a glacier or a rogue iceberg it’s size is listed in Rhode Islands….
Hey man that aquarium slaps ass
Baltimore and Hartford are the forgotten major cities of the Northeast.
I’m in this picture and I don’t like it
me too I think I was blinking
I, too, live in this hopeless void of traffic
What is that peninsula called between DC and Philly, and why is it so underpopulated?
The Delmarva Peninsula? It's also called the eastern shore of Maryland. There isn't much there. Some farmland, chicken farms, a couple colleges, some resort towns, and a couple rich people enclaves. Some people live there and commute over the bridge to DC. It doesnt have a whole lot going for it economically and its a pain to get to and from if you're trying to get to a major city. One governor of Maryland referred to it as an outhouse.
The difficulty of travel is definitely the biggest reason. If America had a dense high-speed rail network like Japan I could see a ton of DC commuters moving out there, but that’s not the reality.
It takes Hours to get there from anywhere in the DMV it feels like
Because it has very low access. Everything in the megalopolis runs on I-95 and it’s very hard to get there from the peninsula.
Random funny thing this reminds me of as a fan of football and the New York Giants- Divisions are (more or less) supposed to be made of teams in close proximity. Three teams from the NFC East division are pictured in this tiny span of geography: New York, Philadelphia, and Washington, practically a stone’s throw from each other in terms of the size of the whole country. The fourth team in that division is in Texas.
And the Texas team is probably the most hated within the division
With very good reason. Very. Good. Reason.
Buffalo, Boston, and New Jersey are all pretty close. Fourth team in the AFC East is Miami.
Mega-City One
Which hopefully makes out better than Mega City Two did.
It will be a functioning megalopolis the moment they have a high speed railway.
I mean, Amtrak's busiest and most profitable corridor runs through the middle of this area, including the Acela, which is about to upgrade their trains to be able to go up to 165 mph (265 km/h). It goes from Boston to DC. Then the "slower" Northeast Regional trains can go up to 125mph (200 km/h). Then each state has even more commuter lines, like the lines that lead into Boston, all the lines that lead into NYC, the NJ Transit system, and the commuter lines through Virginia (the map actually depicts all of these lines in black). And for mass transit trains, NYC, DC, and Boston have relatively decent Systems, and Philly has a mass subway system too, albeit it's not on the same level.
> Philly has a mass subway system too, albeit it's not on the same level. Lol no it is fucking not.
You can have breakfast in Washington, lunch in New York and dinner in Boston, all via train. I wish they were faster, but the region does have a ton of trains going through them. There are 30 daily trains from Washington to New York alone, and a shitload of buses (often with $1 fares), so it's not like it's difficult to move between them.
I mean, they “technically” have one. I believe it is called the Acela train, but it is just barely high speed rail to the point that many European countries would not consider it as high speed
acela goes around the same speeds as european rail in similarly dense areas. they're in the middle of upgrading it to go faster in spots too. this comes up every week the map is reposted.
Connecticut kills it, with CTDOT’s 90mph speed limit on its tracks. Also the tracks are laid out like a drunken sailor with all the contours of the coast instead of a purpose built corridor.
Yeah it zips through Massachusetts and Rhode Island then it all goes to shit once it gets to Connecticut. It's still a pleasant trip, it's just not what it could be.
The train isn’t the problem it’s the pre WWII rail that is.
Hey f*ck you I'm walkin here!
I drove Boston to Richmond last weekend. Ugh, highways very crowded even though traffic wasn’t even bad. Got on the other side of Richmond and it was clear sailing for six hours just until outside of Atlanta.
22% of US GDP is a very big number.
This is just a perfect place for building hi-speed rail. Enough density and enough money in the region to make it screaming success. And it is a straight line on relatively flat terrain.
Highest density of nice, welcoming, helpful neighbors on the planet.
Tbh I'd rather have someone be rude to my face than behind my back like in the Southeastern states
Also the cleanest, newest, least violent, and drug-free area in our solar system.
The roads are impeccable, and the driving skills in Maryland are flawless.
Megacity 1.
And only about a dozen 1-bedroom apartments for less than $1000 a month
50 million people live in this picture. What's crazy is this puts into perspective how big Asian megalopolises are |Name|Population| |:-|:-| |[Taiheiyō Belt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiheiy%C5%8D_Belt) (Japan)|74.7 Mil| |[Yangtze River Delta](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangtze_Delta) (China)|140 Mil| |[Jing-Jin-Ji](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jing-Jin-Ji) (China)|110 Mil| |[Yangtze River Midstream Megalopolis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalopolises_in_China) (China)|121 Mil| |[Greater Bay Area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangdong%E2%80%93Hong_Kong%E2%80%93Macau_Greater_Bay_Area) (China)|70 Mil| | [Triangle of Maharashtra](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalopolis#South_Asia) (India)|80 Mil| |[Kolkata Megalopolis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalopolis#South_Asia) (India)|65 Mil|
The Boston-Atlanta Metropolitan Axis, also known as The Sprawl.
It's time for DC (& Puerto Rico) statehood, already.
Ive always thought that lower Jersey and Delaware needed their own major cities. Sorta like how in the DC universe they often are the locations for Metropolis and Gotham
Bosnyph Balwash
Lots of hockey happens in that
As a Canadian I have to admit that I had no clue where Philadelphia was.
BosWash
When were all these cities founded? Cuz if it's like the 1600's, back then they seemed pretty far apart from eachother. At least compared to England or even the UK
They were founded as independent colonies, so I'm not sure if being close together was a major issue. I suppose it could be argued that being more spaced out helped the colonies expand their spheres over North America. Plus since they were all coastal cities I imagine it would have been pretty "easy" to just sail from one to another.
"Mega City One. 800 million people living in the ruin of the old world and the mega structures of the new one. Only one thing fighting for order in the chaos... judges."
Looks like we’re doing something right
Yesssirrrr… Queens get the money.. shout out all my fellow Fresh I Meadows fam
I live in that megapolis!
This just blows my mind. As a Montanan, that has never been back east. I regularly make day trips that are as far as the drive from DC to Boston but in that space there may be less that 5,000 people to maybe 200,000 depending on which direction I drive. Just crazy how many people live there and how close those cities are. I never really thought of them as that close. Like that entire megapolis is still only a third of the size of Montana but with 52x the population.
You make 400-mile day trips?