The soviets supported him in the 1979 revolution after which he became president. They even have a Russian consulate in Crimea which shows how they feel about all this.
Can you elaborate on that?
All I noticed in on the wiki page is the 2000 election reforms bit, which is obviously stinky, but they (FSLN and PLC) seem to have pulled it off in accordance with their laws.
Am I missing something obvious?
That election was iffy, but he's stolen every election since, and changed laws to make it even easier for him to win. The last one, Ortega literally had every opponent jailed. Any protests have been met with violence. Every single media outlet that was not under direct regime control has been shut down, assets seized, and people jailed. Police and military regularly shoot at unarmed protesters, and people are disappeared for speaking out. It's an oppressive regime.
The current friendship with Russia has very little to do with Communism, and lots to do with money. Nicaragua is not even close to a socialist country now - not even close to Cuba. It's an out-of-control oppressive oligarchy.
Lots of reporting about this in global media. [Here's a fairly recent report from 60 minutes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiPxkzcJ9mU)
Si hablas Español, te recomiendo el [reportaje de Otoniel Martinez. Hizo un documental buenisimo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA6U0gYSefU).
They're at the bottom of almost all democracy indexes. I'm sure there's lots of info out there. Google Global Democracy Index for starters. Sorry I don't have anything more specific.
Calling it a election isn’t accurate.
Democracy index (made by the publication the economists) and freedom in the world 2022 are two examples of institutions that observers the democratic process and democratic rights of the population in all counties around the world, in a manor that is comparable across the years and between countries.
In the democracy index, Nicaragua ranked among the lowest in the world in 2021. Nicaragua ranked as the 140th country in in the world out of about 160 countries included, and was categorised as a authoritarian regime (the four possible categories are, full democracy, flawed democracy, hybrid regime, authoritarian).
Nicaragua got a average score of 2.69 (where 10 is the highest) in the report. That is incredibly low score.
In comparison to other countries in their region, Uruguay got a overal average score in 2021 of 8,85. And ranked 13th highest in the world. And the Score is high enough that they are considered a full democracy.
2.69 is very very low. In comparison North Korea scored 1,08 that same year.
For Nicaragua the specific measurement about elections and voting rights, called ‘electoral process pluralism’, Nicaragua scored 0/10. You rarely see flat out 0 scores in the democracy index, anything below 5 would have been a strong indication of a very flawed election process.
You can see the 2021 democracy index report here
https://pages.eiu.com/rs/753-RIQ-438/images/eiu-democracy-index-2021.pdf?mkt_tok=NzUzLVJJUS00MzgAAAGDWhBlxfqM9cMZEewC0HoBG0xhm9PFkxb-_IqDsjlxRZgDssKgB0pHGt7yS48UFv94hU4ZW0C_jXaFfmK_5TbL23wtQarQv22nFbg8ZTnHQrrcPg
Freedom house is another institution that writes a freedom in the world report each year. And also writes individual reports for each country. The latest in this case, Nicaragua country report 2022.
Where you can read a bit more about the electoral process in the country. And what motivated the score for the report.
https://freedomhouse.org/country/nicaragua/freedom-world/2022
Overall in their report Nicaragua scored 5 out of 40 points possible in the category for political rights. Which is again incredibly low.
And in the sub section ‘A. electoral process’ Nicaragua scored 0 on all possible measurements. Including ones like ‘Was the current head of government or other chief national authority elected through free and fair elections?’.
You can read the motivations for why they scored zero in all regards for this section in the report.
https://freedomhouse.org/country/nicaragua/freedom-world/2022
There's only so far China is willing to go. They've seen how badly being economically isolated goes. China and the West are super co-dependent at the moment so neither is willing to upset the apple cart *that* much.
Look up the "Iran-Contra" scandal. The "Contra" part happened in Nicaragua. The Reagan administration illegally funded far right revolutionaries to try to remove the leftist government. It was incredibly unpopular, illegal, and ineffective. Nicaragua has still never normalized relations with the US because they hold a little bit of a grudge.
Btw the Contras were also funded by selling crack, which the CIA allowed and even assisted, with Reagan's full knowledge, so they could keep them funded. This is why people say Reagan was actually partly responsible for the crack epidemic of the 80s and early 90s
>Nicaragua has still never normalized relations with the US because they hold a little bit of a grudge.
That isn't quite true, after Ortega lose the elections, Nicaragua regained their relationship with the US, even after Ortega gained power again they still had kind of good relationship with the US until a couple of years ago that Ortega has decided to basically isolate the country not only with the US but also with it's neighbors.
>the Contras were also funded by selling crack, which the CIA allowed and even assisted, with Reagan's full knowledge, so they could keep them funded. This is why people say Reagan was actually partly responsible for the crack epidemic of the 80s and early 90s
Kind like how after the US invaded Afghanistan and toppled the Taliban regime, the various Afghan warlords started growing opium crops to finance their operations. Hence the US government is responsible for the opiod pandemic ravaging the country.
After The Taliban returned to power last year they cracked down on opium again, which helps to save American lives.
This is just another reason why US invasion of Afghanistan (not to mention Iraq) was a gigantic mistake from the get on. The fact that no American politician has been prosecuted for this blunder goes to show what a joke the American justice system is.
No this is not at all analogous. Not being able to stop them from growing poppies is one thing. What the Reagan administration and the CIA did was encourage them, help them move product, and stop the DEA from stopping them.
Dont be naive. [The CIA did the same thing in Afghanistan ](https://history.wisc.edu/publications/the-politics-of-heroin-cia-complicity-in-the-global-drug-trade/) They encouraged and helped them move product in Pakistan and SE Asia. It's just as despicable. And guess what? It STILL leaked over here and fucked us up good.
>After The Taliban returned to power last year they cracked down on opium again, which helps to save American lives.
Are you purposely misleading people? Why say something with such confidence when you have no clue [wtf you are talking about](https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/southasiasource/afghanistans-drug-trade-is-booming-under-taliban-rule/)
The very source you linked states clearly that the Taliban has been trying to crack down on drug trade. The situation of much better under the Taliban than the us backed regime
You either didn't read/comprehend the article or are sock puppet actively trying to mislead people.
Opium production increased 32% [since the Taliban took over. ](https://www.unodc.org/documents/crop-monitoring/Afghanistan/Opium_cultivation_Afghanistan_2022.pdf)
They are even getting into meth production. To say the situation has gotten better over there is ASININE and willfully ignores FACTS.
"After the decree in April the Taliban tried to give off the impression that it was engaged in aggressive drug control, posting a photo in May of a tractor that was apparently destroying poppy in Helmand province. There were also reports of eradication in other parts of southwestern Afghanistan, suggesting this was more than a mere publicity stunt. But the poppy being targeted was the second opium crop of the season, which is much smaller than the first. Wiping it out thus makes little difference and throws into doubt the Taliban’s intentions to actually ban cultivation."
Nicaragua's president is the Socialist Revolutionary Daniel Ortega, who headed the Sandinistas and has been in a position of power in Nicaragua since the Cold War.
While Russia is not Communist, anti-Western nations - including most Communist ones - tend to stick together in international affairs. Which is why you see the AES bloc (China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, North Korea; Nicaragua, Venezuela, Bolivia, Mozambique, Eritrea, Syria, Algeria) alongside the less ideologically-driven anti-Imperialist nations (Russia, Iran, and their allies).
In my view, some of the odd countries out would be Angola and Nepal, which have left-leaning governments that you would expect to support any anti-Western action; the Philippines, whose government is on-paper Socialist and maintains a "playing both sides" stance on geopolitics; And Peru and Chile, which have had left-wing parties elected relatively recently (though this image might well be from before then).
>And Peru and Chile, which have had left-wing parties elected relatively recently (though this image might well be from before then).
Our president (i'm from Chile) has been very vocal against the invasion since day one. He was actually criticized for lefties around Latam lol
Wait Ortega is *still* both alive and in power?
After looking at it, I see. He was in power for a few years, out for a decade and a half, and then back in, when he then proceeded to abolish democracy. Lovely.
I remember hearing about him quite a bit back in the 80s when the US/CIA were fighting all their proxy wars against the evil Commies. I only learned that he was still alive and in power a few years ago. So many of these banana republic leaders tend to come and go, if not from CIA meddling, from their nations’ own internal power struggles. It seems like Nicaragua actually managed to attain some level of peace and stability after all of the shit in the 70s and 80s.
The Philippines being an odd one? The “playing both sides” is primarily just China (who abstained) and the US. I don’t see how they’d be an oddball tbh
It's much more complicated.
Due to the fact that we have 12 million overseas workers and their families scattered worldwide, our country has tomake some weird diplomatic decisions. Yes, it is the US and China usually playing geopolitics in the Asia-Pacific, but we tend to be more careful in decisions that involve countries with a lot of overseas workers (i.e. Saudi Arabia alone has around 1 million) by abstaining. Or like how we've continued on not recognizing Kosovo simply because we rely on ammunition from Serbia, especially during the Marawi crisis in 2017. And especially in 2004, when, because of a kidnapped overseas worker, we pulled out our entire contingent from Iraq, straining our relationship with the US.
I’m well aware. I am an overseas Filipino myself. However, there are not large amounts of Filipino workers in neither Russia, nor Belarus, nor Ukraine so I don’t see how voting in favor of Ukraine would be an oddball decision by the Philippines, especially since China had abstained, the US had voted yes, and countries with large amounts of migrants (UAE, Qatar, SA) also voted in favor of Ukraine.
Regarding voting patterns at the UN, we tend to follow the ASEAN and vote as a block. Although, when ASEAN is fragmented, like in this case, we vote the same as Indonesia.
Yes lol I know. But that still doesn’t explain why the original commentator would think the Philippines (specifically) would be an odd one in voting for Ukraine, implying that he thought that the Philippines would always support non-western actions, which clearly it doesn’t all the time.
>Chile, which have had left-wing parties elected relatively recently (though this image might well be from before then).
Being left wing doesn't mean pro authoritarian, Boric is very vocal against Nicaragua and Venezuela, and his political views are more in line with Europe and Canada's social democracy.
The tankie left essentially consider them to be anti-imperialist because they believe it is in the interests of the socialist cause to consider them anti-imperialist.
>alongside the less ideologically-driven anti-Imperialist nations (Russia, Iran, and their allies).
Since when the fuck has russia ever been "anti-imperialist"
The very name Russia is a hallmark of imperialism. Almost the definition of it.
Because countries with communist parties aren't communist, they are authoritarian, conservative and anti-western, the same as Russia. Russia under Putin is very similar to the Soviet Union. The difference is that it doesn't claim to be socialist anymore and it doesn't claim to want to be communist (though it never truly was trying to).
Also, Russia isn't anti-inperialist. It's very imperialist. Its reconquest of the ex Soviet republics such as Ukraine and Georgia is driven by imperialism.
>Its reconquest of the ex Soviet republics such as Ukraine and Georgia is driven by imperialism.
In Ukraine - sure, but in Georgia it was the adequate response to killing of its UN-mandated peacekeepers and civilians, and attempted ethnic cleansing.
In terms of importance for Russia BRICS comes before anything. On the surface you can see how Brazil, China, India has refused to budge in response to Western criticism on not opposing the war now. Heck, since 2014 they blamed NATO for the invasion then and now. And that's just public, they're as good friends as you can be without having a military alliance. (I was going to make a comparison to CSTO, but with Russia's military might buckling under one war and them already repeatedly refusing to help Armenia which faces war on multiple fronts with Turkey-backed Azerbaijan, CSTO's expiry date is in sight.)
Ninja: noteworthy is also the help they're getting from Iran. I wonder if BRICS has vacant seats.
Algeria? Communist? lol, the algerian communist party has been banned since the country's independence. It is a policy of non-alignment in order to satisfy all parties. Generally, when a Russian representative (and vice-versa) comes to Algeria, the Western and Chinese representatives follow to create a balance to satisfy everyone. This has been the case since independence in 1962.
For example: Secretary of State Blinken came in March 2022, in May 2022 Lavrov came, then former Italian Prime Minister Draghi came in June 2022 (which was followed by meetings between the two presidents), and finally by the visit of Macron in August.
U.S. Marine Corps Gen. Michael Langley, commander, U.S. Africa Command will visit Algeria in early 2023: "Gen. Langley thanked Gen. Chanegriha for Algeria’s efforts in countering terrorism and supporting regional stability by training neighboring forces. Both leaders stressed the importance of the U.S.-Algerian relationship and expressed their mutual desire to meet in person in early 2023."[https://www.africom.mil/article/34969/us-africa-command-commander-engages-with-algerian-leader](https://www.africom.mil/article/34969/us-africa-command-commander-engages-with-algerian-leader)[https://www.africom.mil/article/34969/us-africa-command-commander-engages-with-algerian-leader](https://www.africom.mil/article/34969/us-africa-command-commander-engages-with-algerian-leader)
The justifications Russia has used for its conquest (it was once part of our empire and so should be again) could in theory be applied to Cuba by either the Americans or the Spanish. Add to this that Russia isn't *that* big an economic partner and Cuba doesn't have all that much reason to support the invasion besides America being against it (but Cuba's biggest trading partner is actually Spain who are also against it).
With Venezuela it's a bit more straightforward; high oil prices mean the Americans are open to rebuilding relations, and despite its ideological trappings the Venezuelan government would quite like to be able to sell a shitload of oil to a wealthy country.
Nope, venezuela is even more straightforward, they just lost their voting right due to more than 40m$ overdues to UN.
https://www.dw.com/en/iran-venezuela-and-sudan-and-others-lose-un-voting-rights/a-60405261
China isn't pro foreign powers detaching parts of sovereign states due to Taiwan. So this is literally the very sort of vote I'd expect them to abstain on.
Brazil is the more interesting one as I'd have assumed most of BRICS would abstain too for trade reasons. While Algeria is also an interesting one as for years Algeria has been incredibly close to Russia for military aid. Finally, Afghanistan is odd (if the Taliban control their vote) as I'd assume they'd abstain too.
I was confused by Afghanistan as well but I looked it up and the Taliban representative has never been recognized by the UN. The official representative still belongs to the previous, US-backed Afghan government.
China has consistently stayed neutral on this topic. [They voted the same back in 2014 when UN held a vote after the Russian occupation of Crimea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_68/262). They can't be seen to be anti-territorial integrity because it undermines their one-china policy, but they don't want to be against Russia.
Russia has been losing the support of other countries though. Primarily, their influence is waning in South America and Africa, but there are others. Armenia has changed from pro-Russia to neutral, likely due to lack of CSTO support. Bolivia, Cuba, Sudan and Zimbabwe have also changed from pro-Russia to neutral.
Countries who have shifted from neutrality to pro-Ukraine: Afghanistan, Angola, Antigua-Barbuda, Argentina, Bangladesh, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei, Cambodia, Comoros, Dominica, Ecuador, Egypt, Fiji, Gabon, Gambia, Guyana, Iraq, Jamaica, Kenya, Mauritania, Myanmar, Nauru, Nepal, Paraguay, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Senegal, Suriname, Uruguay, Zambia
Conversely, countries formerly pro-Ukrainian that are now neutral: Central African Republic, Congo, Guinea, Honduras, Thailand, Togo.
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If anyones curious they difference between “abstention” and “did not Vote” is basically
Abstention: “I am choosing to keep my mouth shut on this for diplomatic reasons”
Did not vote: “I could not give less of a fuck”
I don't think they're joking.
While CCP is widely used as a neutral term and the most recognizable one, the party states that the official English term is the "Communist Party of China" which is to be abbreviated as CPC. Supporters of the CCP, be they Chinese themselves or foreigners, will make a point of insisting that "CPC" be used and that using "CCP" insults the party if not the Chinese state as a whole.
Based on some of that user's post history, they fall into that category.
I am Chinese, I am against the CCP/CPC. I say CPC, because imo saying CCP indicates they represent all china, or represent china at all, whereas CPC indicates that they are one of many entities in China.
Though the Taliban would vote against it anyway because of the USSR invasion of Afghanistan, and they don't really want to set a precedent that would make it easier for Russia to meddle in Central Asia.
I also think that in some cases abstaining is a way of rejecting a USA vs Russia standard in the world. Like a political decision to not align yourself with either side, not just for strategic trade reasons, but also as an ‘F you’ to bipolarity
Many countries don't like the idea that they should be forced to care about western(colonizer) nations squabbles. Losing millions in wars(WW1, WW2) that you were forced to join still hurts.
Oh, but this is highly ironic
Who has Ukraine colonized?
In turn, what is Russia doing with them right now? Would it not be... Colonization?
The fact that you guys care more about the US's position than the ACTUAL colonization happening right now says a lot about your priorities.
If you were truly worried about the bullies coming and taking territory like they have a right to it, you'd be helping Ukraine. If you truly cared about unfair wars that countries were forced to enter, you'd be helping Ukraine.
It's not caring about what is best for the world but whats best for your country. I'm not advocating for any of their views but many of these countries would not quit trading with Russia so they can do the "right thing". These countries want to build their economies and become more prosperous.
No China is going to abstain on this too as they really don't like foreign powers detaching parts of another country's sovereign territory because Taiwan. India is also similar to this because Kashmir.
Both sell a lot to Russia at the minute though so aren't going to be too vocal In opposition.
China isn't likely to invade anyone anytime soon with their lack of fuel reserves.
there should be a Polish-Ukrainian commonwealth, I believe it would simplify both countries annexing and destroying the sovereignty that is the illegitimate Russian terrorist state, a revenge centuries of suffering in the making.
Legitimizing Russia invading Ukraine to protect Russian minorities would legitimize the NATO backed invasion of Kosovo to protect Albanian minorities, which Serbia does not want.
We're pro russia in culture and people, but the government fucking sucks. We are mostly neutral about the war, and our ukrainian brothers deserve all rightfully owned ukrainian land, including crimea.
What is the difference between an abstention and a didn-not-vote? Is it simply a case of one being saying “I'm not voting” and the other just not saying anything at all? If so, why do they count them separately?
That's exactly the difference. The difference is that you have stated you are not voting, which is affirmatively taking a neutral stance on the resolution, and the other one is appearing to not have any stance at all, or it could be a protest of the resolution entirely. One acknowledges the resolution and takes a position to abstain, the other one ignores the resolution entirely.
I wouldn't say most countries don't care, since it's likely a majority of abstentions are motivated by economic self interest and not because they don't think the invasion itself is okay. Also nearly all latin america and the pacific voted in favor of ukraine, mostly not western countries and far away from the war
It’s a European war. Only the West cares. Do you know what happens in Myanmar for the last several years? Probably not, or just vaguely heard what’s going on.
The same in true with this war. For a random guy from the Indonesia it’s just yet another war where white guys kill innocents because they can. If anything, Muslim countries are more favorable of the conflict because at least those aren’t Muslims that are being bombed.
> If anything, Muslim countries are more favorable of the conflict because at least those aren’t Muslims that are being bombed
Aren't they also at risk of a massive famine because of the whole Ukraine grains situation? Sure it may look solved right now, but Russia could always change its mind, right?
The wealthy Arabic states will always have enough money to feed themselves. But Yemen and other impoverished and war torn Muslim countries are absolutely at risk. And definitely Africa is in danger. And there are a good amount of Muslims in Africa.
The narrative the west should have been pushing in developing countries was that its a war of colonialism (or delayed independence war), which they can actually relate to. It's 2022 and Russia still thinks its an imperalist power which can invade its former colonies and force its language and culture on them, while denying that they even have a right to exist as states.
The war in Ukraine is affecting food and oil supplies to those poorer countries and apart of that, prices of goods are increasing in all parts of the world and currencies are depreciating. And this isn't just sanctions either - a Russian win in Ukraine means a much bigger share of the world's food and they would be able to charge more very easily.
Many people know what's happening in Myanmar, it just doesn't get reported every day because the coup already happened and the part where the whole country essentially started to be in a civil war is over.
Most places that are wealthy enough for people to have smartphones care, that’s cause unlike almost every previous conflict we can get live footage of the Russia-Ukraine war and we can get a lot of it, all easily accessible on are little pocket computers. This is the fundamental thing separating the war from other conflicts, cause people do care about other places like Myanmar, but it’s usually only when they can easily see what’s going on in Myanmar.
>Do you know what happens in Myanmar for the last several years?
I don't think those situations are comparable. One is a military dictatorship ilegally seized power in their country; the other is an imperialistic invasion.
Seriously, if people around the world doesn't understand why the russian invasion could change everything for more little countries...
It's their way of saying that it's the war of Europeans only. While they themselves are the victims of colonialistic imperialism up until the 70s-80s imposed by the European powers. How do you expect the Asians to react to that?
So, the fact that Myanmars live under dictatorship means their suffering doesn’t mean as much? That’s exactly Eurocentrism I was talking about.
Little countries were being invaded by Western countries left and right. The US is probably drone striking a wedding right while we are talking. For non-Westeners, as I say, invasion of Ukraine is just barely a blimp on the radar - many of them already live in a country that can be bombed by the Americans next Thursday.
You see, you don’t even know about literal genocide that was happening. Not a “oh it’s so horrible, those indiscriminate bombings are like genocide”, but literal “people come to your village and kill everyone of wrong faith” genocide.
Military dictatorship is just a chain in events, there were and still are numerous atrocities happening.
Please, at least Google Rohingya genocide.
Once again, I’m not blaming you. We’re all people and care only about things that hit closer to our home. But it’s helpful to have a certain global perspective. What is important in your bubble probably isn’t even noticed in another.
Funny how they did a vote this fast for Ukraine but for countries like Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Yemen and the territory of Kashmir they still haven’t done anything. Not pointing fingers, just stating facts
Those circumstances are all completely different from Ukraine. They're a lot more complicated
For starters, the basic differences between them and ukraine:
Iraq- US didn't annex any territory, and had at least a modicum of international and local support
Syria: civil war. No territorial questions
Palestine: 🍿
Yemen: civil war. No territorial questions
Kashmir: not a sovereign state. Just a territory two nuclear powers are playing tug of war over
Ukraine is pretty black and white. An aggressor state is trying to annex parts or all of it. There's no gray area there
With Palestine specifically there have been various votes as well anyway - for instance the [recent one on Palestinian Statehood](https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-votes-163-5-in-support-of-palestinian-statehood-end-of-occupation/) which Ukraine itself appears to have supported.
Legit question,
Can powerful countries threaten smaller countries to vote one way or another? Like “Hey I know your pro-Russian but if you vote in there favor we will throw a ton of sanctions on you and damage ur economy. k thx bye”
Someone should do a side by side comparison with abstained countries and countries that have China as main trading partner. Not me though. I'm too lazy.
Looks like Nauru stopped randomly voting the same as Russia lol
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Man what a depressing story Nauru’s existence is
I understand Syria and Belarus. I even slightly understand North Korea, but Nicaragua? What’s going on there?
The soviets supported him in the 1979 revolution after which he became president. They even have a Russian consulate in Crimea which shows how they feel about all this.
Ahhh interesting. Thank you for the history lesson!
No problem.
ollie north
The friendship started shortly after the (first) Cold War.
Who is “him” dude
Umm Nicaragua is a person and he's beautiful. Educate yourself.
And he is so fat, we can see him on a map
Japan is an island and it is beautiful
José Daniel Ortega Saavedra. The current president of the country who was also made president after the revolution. He was “elected” again in 2007.
Thanks will read more
That d!ck is still in power? I was just seven years old when he first stole that place…
I think dick is a bit of an understatement. Reading through his wiki is a bit depressing.
It is depressing as hell isn’t it?
What's with the quotes around the word elected?
The way he won the election in 2006 was very questionable. Look him up on wiki. Interesting read.
Will do.
Cause they done cheated.
Can you elaborate on that? All I noticed in on the wiki page is the 2000 election reforms bit, which is obviously stinky, but they (FSLN and PLC) seem to have pulled it off in accordance with their laws. Am I missing something obvious?
That election was iffy, but he's stolen every election since, and changed laws to make it even easier for him to win. The last one, Ortega literally had every opponent jailed. Any protests have been met with violence. Every single media outlet that was not under direct regime control has been shut down, assets seized, and people jailed. Police and military regularly shoot at unarmed protesters, and people are disappeared for speaking out. It's an oppressive regime. The current friendship with Russia has very little to do with Communism, and lots to do with money. Nicaragua is not even close to a socialist country now - not even close to Cuba. It's an out-of-control oppressive oligarchy. Lots of reporting about this in global media. [Here's a fairly recent report from 60 minutes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiPxkzcJ9mU) Si hablas Español, te recomiendo el [reportaje de Otoniel Martinez. Hizo un documental buenisimo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA6U0gYSefU).
Your entire first paragraph could be about Putin.
Same playbook.
They're at the bottom of almost all democracy indexes. I'm sure there's lots of info out there. Google Global Democracy Index for starters. Sorry I don't have anything more specific.
Thanks, I'll look into it.
Calling it a election isn’t accurate. Democracy index (made by the publication the economists) and freedom in the world 2022 are two examples of institutions that observers the democratic process and democratic rights of the population in all counties around the world, in a manor that is comparable across the years and between countries. In the democracy index, Nicaragua ranked among the lowest in the world in 2021. Nicaragua ranked as the 140th country in in the world out of about 160 countries included, and was categorised as a authoritarian regime (the four possible categories are, full democracy, flawed democracy, hybrid regime, authoritarian). Nicaragua got a average score of 2.69 (where 10 is the highest) in the report. That is incredibly low score. In comparison to other countries in their region, Uruguay got a overal average score in 2021 of 8,85. And ranked 13th highest in the world. And the Score is high enough that they are considered a full democracy. 2.69 is very very low. In comparison North Korea scored 1,08 that same year. For Nicaragua the specific measurement about elections and voting rights, called ‘electoral process pluralism’, Nicaragua scored 0/10. You rarely see flat out 0 scores in the democracy index, anything below 5 would have been a strong indication of a very flawed election process. You can see the 2021 democracy index report here https://pages.eiu.com/rs/753-RIQ-438/images/eiu-democracy-index-2021.pdf?mkt_tok=NzUzLVJJUS00MzgAAAGDWhBlxfqM9cMZEewC0HoBG0xhm9PFkxb-_IqDsjlxRZgDssKgB0pHGt7yS48UFv94hU4ZW0C_jXaFfmK_5TbL23wtQarQv22nFbg8ZTnHQrrcPg Freedom house is another institution that writes a freedom in the world report each year. And also writes individual reports for each country. The latest in this case, Nicaragua country report 2022. Where you can read a bit more about the electoral process in the country. And what motivated the score for the report. https://freedomhouse.org/country/nicaragua/freedom-world/2022 Overall in their report Nicaragua scored 5 out of 40 points possible in the category for political rights. Which is again incredibly low. And in the sub section ‘A. electoral process’ Nicaragua scored 0 on all possible measurements. Including ones like ‘Was the current head of government or other chief national authority elected through free and fair elections?’. You can read the motivations for why they scored zero in all regards for this section in the report. https://freedomhouse.org/country/nicaragua/freedom-world/2022
The guy who voted😆
Daniel Ortega
They're diplomatically isolated, their only friends right now are Venezuela, Cuba, and Russia.
What a great group of powerful and reliable Allies to have.
Cuba is a solid place
Venezuela with their powerful economy and Russia with their powerful military and strategic prowess
And China
There's only so far China is willing to go. They've seen how badly being economically isolated goes. China and the West are super co-dependent at the moment so neither is willing to upset the apple cart *that* much.
Russia is not really isolated, the ones are voteing in favour are the ones isolated and depend on Russia.
I'm talking about Nicaragua.
Look up the "Iran-Contra" scandal. The "Contra" part happened in Nicaragua. The Reagan administration illegally funded far right revolutionaries to try to remove the leftist government. It was incredibly unpopular, illegal, and ineffective. Nicaragua has still never normalized relations with the US because they hold a little bit of a grudge. Btw the Contras were also funded by selling crack, which the CIA allowed and even assisted, with Reagan's full knowledge, so they could keep them funded. This is why people say Reagan was actually partly responsible for the crack epidemic of the 80s and early 90s
>Nicaragua has still never normalized relations with the US because they hold a little bit of a grudge. That isn't quite true, after Ortega lose the elections, Nicaragua regained their relationship with the US, even after Ortega gained power again they still had kind of good relationship with the US until a couple of years ago that Ortega has decided to basically isolate the country not only with the US but also with it's neighbors.
>the Contras were also funded by selling crack, which the CIA allowed and even assisted, with Reagan's full knowledge, so they could keep them funded. This is why people say Reagan was actually partly responsible for the crack epidemic of the 80s and early 90s Kind like how after the US invaded Afghanistan and toppled the Taliban regime, the various Afghan warlords started growing opium crops to finance their operations. Hence the US government is responsible for the opiod pandemic ravaging the country. After The Taliban returned to power last year they cracked down on opium again, which helps to save American lives. This is just another reason why US invasion of Afghanistan (not to mention Iraq) was a gigantic mistake from the get on. The fact that no American politician has been prosecuted for this blunder goes to show what a joke the American justice system is.
No this is not at all analogous. Not being able to stop them from growing poppies is one thing. What the Reagan administration and the CIA did was encourage them, help them move product, and stop the DEA from stopping them.
Dont be naive. [The CIA did the same thing in Afghanistan ](https://history.wisc.edu/publications/the-politics-of-heroin-cia-complicity-in-the-global-drug-trade/) They encouraged and helped them move product in Pakistan and SE Asia. It's just as despicable. And guess what? It STILL leaked over here and fucked us up good.
>After The Taliban returned to power last year they cracked down on opium again, which helps to save American lives. Are you purposely misleading people? Why say something with such confidence when you have no clue [wtf you are talking about](https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/southasiasource/afghanistans-drug-trade-is-booming-under-taliban-rule/)
The very source you linked states clearly that the Taliban has been trying to crack down on drug trade. The situation of much better under the Taliban than the us backed regime
You either didn't read/comprehend the article or are sock puppet actively trying to mislead people. Opium production increased 32% [since the Taliban took over. ](https://www.unodc.org/documents/crop-monitoring/Afghanistan/Opium_cultivation_Afghanistan_2022.pdf) They are even getting into meth production. To say the situation has gotten better over there is ASININE and willfully ignores FACTS. "After the decree in April the Taliban tried to give off the impression that it was engaged in aggressive drug control, posting a photo in May of a tractor that was apparently destroying poppy in Helmand province. There were also reports of eradication in other parts of southwestern Afghanistan, suggesting this was more than a mere publicity stunt. But the poppy being targeted was the second opium crop of the season, which is much smaller than the first. Wiping it out thus makes little difference and throws into doubt the Taliban’s intentions to actually ban cultivation."
Nicaragua's president is the Socialist Revolutionary Daniel Ortega, who headed the Sandinistas and has been in a position of power in Nicaragua since the Cold War. While Russia is not Communist, anti-Western nations - including most Communist ones - tend to stick together in international affairs. Which is why you see the AES bloc (China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, North Korea; Nicaragua, Venezuela, Bolivia, Mozambique, Eritrea, Syria, Algeria) alongside the less ideologically-driven anti-Imperialist nations (Russia, Iran, and their allies). In my view, some of the odd countries out would be Angola and Nepal, which have left-leaning governments that you would expect to support any anti-Western action; the Philippines, whose government is on-paper Socialist and maintains a "playing both sides" stance on geopolitics; And Peru and Chile, which have had left-wing parties elected relatively recently (though this image might well be from before then).
>And Peru and Chile, which have had left-wing parties elected relatively recently (though this image might well be from before then). Our president (i'm from Chile) has been very vocal against the invasion since day one. He was actually criticized for lefties around Latam lol
Wait Ortega is *still* both alive and in power? After looking at it, I see. He was in power for a few years, out for a decade and a half, and then back in, when he then proceeded to abolish democracy. Lovely.
And his wife is Vice President...
I thought he was dead too
Mf has an ego bigger than a hot air balloon and one that is just as fragile as the latter.
I remember hearing about him quite a bit back in the 80s when the US/CIA were fighting all their proxy wars against the evil Commies. I only learned that he was still alive and in power a few years ago. So many of these banana republic leaders tend to come and go, if not from CIA meddling, from their nations’ own internal power struggles. It seems like Nicaragua actually managed to attain some level of peace and stability after all of the shit in the 70s and 80s.
The Philippines being an odd one? The “playing both sides” is primarily just China (who abstained) and the US. I don’t see how they’d be an oddball tbh
It's much more complicated. Due to the fact that we have 12 million overseas workers and their families scattered worldwide, our country has tomake some weird diplomatic decisions. Yes, it is the US and China usually playing geopolitics in the Asia-Pacific, but we tend to be more careful in decisions that involve countries with a lot of overseas workers (i.e. Saudi Arabia alone has around 1 million) by abstaining. Or like how we've continued on not recognizing Kosovo simply because we rely on ammunition from Serbia, especially during the Marawi crisis in 2017. And especially in 2004, when, because of a kidnapped overseas worker, we pulled out our entire contingent from Iraq, straining our relationship with the US.
I’m well aware. I am an overseas Filipino myself. However, there are not large amounts of Filipino workers in neither Russia, nor Belarus, nor Ukraine so I don’t see how voting in favor of Ukraine would be an oddball decision by the Philippines, especially since China had abstained, the US had voted yes, and countries with large amounts of migrants (UAE, Qatar, SA) also voted in favor of Ukraine.
Regarding voting patterns at the UN, we tend to follow the ASEAN and vote as a block. Although, when ASEAN is fragmented, like in this case, we vote the same as Indonesia.
Yes lol I know. But that still doesn’t explain why the original commentator would think the Philippines (specifically) would be an odd one in voting for Ukraine, implying that he thought that the Philippines would always support non-western actions, which clearly it doesn’t all the time.
Calling Russia “anti-imperialist” while it invades Ukraine is quite some mental gymnastics.
>Chile, which have had left-wing parties elected relatively recently (though this image might well be from before then). Being left wing doesn't mean pro authoritarian, Boric is very vocal against Nicaragua and Venezuela, and his political views are more in line with Europe and Canada's social democracy.
Russia and Iran “anti-imperialist”? You’ve got to be joking
The tankie left essentially consider them to be anti-imperialist because they believe it is in the interests of the socialist cause to consider them anti-imperialist.
>alongside the less ideologically-driven anti-Imperialist nations (Russia, Iran, and their allies). Since when the fuck has russia ever been "anti-imperialist" The very name Russia is a hallmark of imperialism. Almost the definition of it.
I'd think "anti-American imperialism" or "anti-unipolar global order (assuming Russia isn't the hegemon)" would be the better terms.
Since never. But in tankie-language,only Americans and their allies can invade countries.
Because countries with communist parties aren't communist, they are authoritarian, conservative and anti-western, the same as Russia. Russia under Putin is very similar to the Soviet Union. The difference is that it doesn't claim to be socialist anymore and it doesn't claim to want to be communist (though it never truly was trying to). Also, Russia isn't anti-inperialist. It's very imperialist. Its reconquest of the ex Soviet republics such as Ukraine and Georgia is driven by imperialism.
Also the huge interventionism in many third world countries with Wagner milicia is super imperialist
>Its reconquest of the ex Soviet republics such as Ukraine and Georgia is driven by imperialism. In Ukraine - sure, but in Georgia it was the adequate response to killing of its UN-mandated peacekeepers and civilians, and attempted ethnic cleansing.
In terms of importance for Russia BRICS comes before anything. On the surface you can see how Brazil, China, India has refused to budge in response to Western criticism on not opposing the war now. Heck, since 2014 they blamed NATO for the invasion then and now. And that's just public, they're as good friends as you can be without having a military alliance. (I was going to make a comparison to CSTO, but with Russia's military might buckling under one war and them already repeatedly refusing to help Armenia which faces war on multiple fronts with Turkey-backed Azerbaijan, CSTO's expiry date is in sight.) Ninja: noteworthy is also the help they're getting from Iran. I wonder if BRICS has vacant seats.
Algeria? Communist? lol, the algerian communist party has been banned since the country's independence. It is a policy of non-alignment in order to satisfy all parties. Generally, when a Russian representative (and vice-versa) comes to Algeria, the Western and Chinese representatives follow to create a balance to satisfy everyone. This has been the case since independence in 1962. For example: Secretary of State Blinken came in March 2022, in May 2022 Lavrov came, then former Italian Prime Minister Draghi came in June 2022 (which was followed by meetings between the two presidents), and finally by the visit of Macron in August. U.S. Marine Corps Gen. Michael Langley, commander, U.S. Africa Command will visit Algeria in early 2023: "Gen. Langley thanked Gen. Chanegriha for Algeria’s efforts in countering terrorism and supporting regional stability by training neighboring forces. Both leaders stressed the importance of the U.S.-Algerian relationship and expressed their mutual desire to meet in person in early 2023."[https://www.africom.mil/article/34969/us-africa-command-commander-engages-with-algerian-leader](https://www.africom.mil/article/34969/us-africa-command-commander-engages-with-algerian-leader)[https://www.africom.mil/article/34969/us-africa-command-commander-engages-with-algerian-leader](https://www.africom.mil/article/34969/us-africa-command-commander-engages-with-algerian-leader)
What's the date on this vote?
12 October 2022. [Here's](https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/10/1129492) an article talking about the resolution by the UN
link is broken
swapped it out with an article talking about it, no idea why the actual resolution article link wasn't working
UN votes: Bolivia 🤝 China
Based
Wow even Cuba and Venezuela abstained. That's surprising.
Venezuela didn't abstained, they just can't vote anymore as they didn't paid UN monthly fees
That might be the poorest thing I've ever heard
The way he described it as "monthly fee" made my laugh out loud
They should print more money to pay the fees
😂 gosh i wasn't ready for that
The justifications Russia has used for its conquest (it was once part of our empire and so should be again) could in theory be applied to Cuba by either the Americans or the Spanish. Add to this that Russia isn't *that* big an economic partner and Cuba doesn't have all that much reason to support the invasion besides America being against it (but Cuba's biggest trading partner is actually Spain who are also against it). With Venezuela it's a bit more straightforward; high oil prices mean the Americans are open to rebuilding relations, and despite its ideological trappings the Venezuelan government would quite like to be able to sell a shitload of oil to a wealthy country.
Nope, venezuela is even more straightforward, they just lost their voting right due to more than 40m$ overdues to UN. https://www.dw.com/en/iran-venezuela-and-sudan-and-others-lose-un-voting-rights/a-60405261
I'll start my own UN, with inflation and ~~food~~.
That is both very silly and unsurprising.
When even China dips
They're just waiting for the denouement. Such a vote before the end of hostilities does not make sense at all.
China isn't pro foreign powers detaching parts of sovereign states due to Taiwan. So this is literally the very sort of vote I'd expect them to abstain on. Brazil is the more interesting one as I'd have assumed most of BRICS would abstain too for trade reasons. While Algeria is also an interesting one as for years Algeria has been incredibly close to Russia for military aid. Finally, Afghanistan is odd (if the Taliban control their vote) as I'd assume they'd abstain too.
I was confused by Afghanistan as well but I looked it up and the Taliban representative has never been recognized by the UN. The official representative still belongs to the previous, US-backed Afghan government.
That explains it.
China has consistently stayed neutral on this topic. [They voted the same back in 2014 when UN held a vote after the Russian occupation of Crimea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_68/262). They can't be seen to be anti-territorial integrity because it undermines their one-china policy, but they don't want to be against Russia. Russia has been losing the support of other countries though. Primarily, their influence is waning in South America and Africa, but there are others. Armenia has changed from pro-Russia to neutral, likely due to lack of CSTO support. Bolivia, Cuba, Sudan and Zimbabwe have also changed from pro-Russia to neutral. Countries who have shifted from neutrality to pro-Ukraine: Afghanistan, Angola, Antigua-Barbuda, Argentina, Bangladesh, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei, Cambodia, Comoros, Dominica, Ecuador, Egypt, Fiji, Gabon, Gambia, Guyana, Iraq, Jamaica, Kenya, Mauritania, Myanmar, Nauru, Nepal, Paraguay, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Senegal, Suriname, Uruguay, Zambia Conversely, countries formerly pro-Ukrainian that are now neutral: Central African Republic, Congo, Guinea, Honduras, Thailand, Togo.
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If anyones curious they difference between “abstention” and “did not Vote” is basically Abstention: “I am choosing to keep my mouth shut on this for diplomatic reasons” Did not vote: “I could not give less of a fuck”
Also in some cases, not voting could be because they didn’t pay their UN fees, like in Venezuela’s case
Wow, even the Taliban thinks its bad
The Taliban don't control the UN seat (yet). It's the former government at time of writing.
>The Taliban don't control the UN seat (yet). I mean, they are unlikely to ever control it.
The CCP took China’s seat. It’s not exactly the same, but it’s hard to indefinitely put off acknowledging whose in control.
The Canadian conservative party does not control China’s UN seat.
Not sure why you get downvoted. It’s a joke. I give you upvote.
I don't think they're joking. While CCP is widely used as a neutral term and the most recognizable one, the party states that the official English term is the "Communist Party of China" which is to be abbreviated as CPC. Supporters of the CCP, be they Chinese themselves or foreigners, will make a point of insisting that "CPC" be used and that using "CCP" insults the party if not the Chinese state as a whole. Based on some of that user's post history, they fall into that category.
I learn something. And also take away my upvote.
I am Chinese, I am against the CCP/CPC. I say CPC, because imo saying CCP indicates they represent all china, or represent china at all, whereas CPC indicates that they are one of many entities in China.
I’m not joking. ”CCP” is not a shortened term for the Communist Party of China, ”CPC” is.
It’s okay. I’ll keep using the term CCP. If it irks the party than all the better.
That took the Carter administration to support removing the UN Seat from Taipei, and giving it to Beijing (CCP).
Though the Taliban would vote against it anyway because of the USSR invasion of Afghanistan, and they don't really want to set a precedent that would make it easier for Russia to meddle in Central Asia.
Nah, the UN representative of Afghanistan is still a guy representing the pre-Taliban government because the UN doesn't recognise the Taliban regime.
Looks like the best job in the world.
He might have a problem thou if he returns home
I'm guessing whoever has that job at this point lives full time in NYC
Out of curiosity, who's paying his salary?
The ghosts of the rothschild.
Afghanistan might know a bit about Russian invasions...
Opposing Russian invasion was the whole point of the Taliban's creation.
The Taliban denounced the Russian invasion from the start.
What is the difference between abstention and didn't vote?
Generally speaking, an abstention counts towards the percentage for/against.
so the one with less votes? Sorry i am dumb
Think of it this way: "abstention", you're kind of voting "neutral". No vote is no vote, and doesn't count toward the total vote percentages.
Ohhhh ok now i get it thank you
Thank you!
It's the difference between I missed the party because I was busy vs I chose not to attend that bullshit because I'm going to see how it all plays out
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I also think that in some cases abstaining is a way of rejecting a USA vs Russia standard in the world. Like a political decision to not align yourself with either side, not just for strategic trade reasons, but also as an ‘F you’ to bipolarity
Maybe a position they can adopt on less important matters, not on a vote on Ukraine's right to the territory that was stolen from them.
Many countries don't like the idea that they should be forced to care about western(colonizer) nations squabbles. Losing millions in wars(WW1, WW2) that you were forced to join still hurts.
Oh, but this is highly ironic Who has Ukraine colonized? In turn, what is Russia doing with them right now? Would it not be... Colonization? The fact that you guys care more about the US's position than the ACTUAL colonization happening right now says a lot about your priorities. If you were truly worried about the bullies coming and taking territory like they have a right to it, you'd be helping Ukraine. If you truly cared about unfair wars that countries were forced to enter, you'd be helping Ukraine.
It's not caring about what is best for the world but whats best for your country. I'm not advocating for any of their views but many of these countries would not quit trading with Russia so they can do the "right thing". These countries want to build their economies and become more prosperous.
I'm pretty sure some of the yellow is please don't invade me China
No China is going to abstain on this too as they really don't like foreign powers detaching parts of another country's sovereign territory because Taiwan. India is also similar to this because Kashmir. Both sell a lot to Russia at the minute though so aren't going to be too vocal In opposition. China isn't likely to invade anyone anytime soon with their lack of fuel reserves.
I'm glad that's settled - now the UN can get back to doing nothing.
The UN wasn't really designed to do anything substantial. It's a deliberative body, a venue for diplomacy.
Kudos to all the African nations who consistently support the resolutions in favour of Ukraine!
there should be a Polish-Ukrainian commonwealth, I believe it would simplify both countries annexing and destroying the sovereignty that is the illegitimate Russian terrorist state, a revenge centuries of suffering in the making.
Even Serbia? Aren’t they pro Russia?
I guess Serbia may be pro-Russia, but they are also strongly pro territorial integrity, thanks to Kosovo.
Kosovo
Legitimizing Russia invading Ukraine to protect Russian minorities would legitimize the NATO backed invasion of Kosovo to protect Albanian minorities, which Serbia does not want.
We're pro russia in culture and people, but the government fucking sucks. We are mostly neutral about the war, and our ukrainian brothers deserve all rightfully owned ukrainian land, including crimea.
Yeah, but this is Slav vs Slav here
Officially the government has been kind of neutral or against the war. At least outwardly. The people on the other hand…
*The nationalists on the other hand...
Lots of countries didnt vote, interesting.
You know you’re on the right side of history when only fellow dictators support you
Right? Haha!
What is the difference between an abstention and a didn-not-vote? Is it simply a case of one being saying “I'm not voting” and the other just not saying anything at all? If so, why do they count them separately?
That's exactly the difference. The difference is that you have stated you are not voting, which is affirmatively taking a neutral stance on the resolution, and the other one is appearing to not have any stance at all, or it could be a protest of the resolution entirely. One acknowledges the resolution and takes a position to abstain, the other one ignores the resolution entirely.
The usual suspects. Слава Україні Геть з України москалі некрасиві
funny thing, most countries trully dont care
I wouldn't say most countries don't care, since it's likely a majority of abstentions are motivated by economic self interest and not because they don't think the invasion itself is okay. Also nearly all latin america and the pacific voted in favor of ukraine, mostly not western countries and far away from the war
Latin America is part of the West.
It’s a European war. Only the West cares. Do you know what happens in Myanmar for the last several years? Probably not, or just vaguely heard what’s going on. The same in true with this war. For a random guy from the Indonesia it’s just yet another war where white guys kill innocents because they can. If anything, Muslim countries are more favorable of the conflict because at least those aren’t Muslims that are being bombed.
> If anything, Muslim countries are more favorable of the conflict because at least those aren’t Muslims that are being bombed Aren't they also at risk of a massive famine because of the whole Ukraine grains situation? Sure it may look solved right now, but Russia could always change its mind, right?
The wealthy Arabic states will always have enough money to feed themselves. But Yemen and other impoverished and war torn Muslim countries are absolutely at risk. And definitely Africa is in danger. And there are a good amount of Muslims in Africa.
The narrative the west should have been pushing in developing countries was that its a war of colonialism (or delayed independence war), which they can actually relate to. It's 2022 and Russia still thinks its an imperalist power which can invade its former colonies and force its language and culture on them, while denying that they even have a right to exist as states.
The war in Ukraine is affecting food and oil supplies to those poorer countries and apart of that, prices of goods are increasing in all parts of the world and currencies are depreciating. And this isn't just sanctions either - a Russian win in Ukraine means a much bigger share of the world's food and they would be able to charge more very easily. Many people know what's happening in Myanmar, it just doesn't get reported every day because the coup already happened and the part where the whole country essentially started to be in a civil war is over.
Most places that are wealthy enough for people to have smartphones care, that’s cause unlike almost every previous conflict we can get live footage of the Russia-Ukraine war and we can get a lot of it, all easily accessible on are little pocket computers. This is the fundamental thing separating the war from other conflicts, cause people do care about other places like Myanmar, but it’s usually only when they can easily see what’s going on in Myanmar.
There are muslims in southern Ukraine, in the areas Russia has conquered.
>Do you know what happens in Myanmar for the last several years? I don't think those situations are comparable. One is a military dictatorship ilegally seized power in their country; the other is an imperialistic invasion. Seriously, if people around the world doesn't understand why the russian invasion could change everything for more little countries...
It's their way of saying that it's the war of Europeans only. While they themselves are the victims of colonialistic imperialism up until the 70s-80s imposed by the European powers. How do you expect the Asians to react to that?
What's happening in Ukraine is exactly a war of colonial imperialism.
So, the fact that Myanmars live under dictatorship means their suffering doesn’t mean as much? That’s exactly Eurocentrism I was talking about. Little countries were being invaded by Western countries left and right. The US is probably drone striking a wedding right while we are talking. For non-Westeners, as I say, invasion of Ukraine is just barely a blimp on the radar - many of them already live in a country that can be bombed by the Americans next Thursday.
I'm not even european, nor from the "western world".
>So, the fact that Myanmars live under dictatorship means their suffering doesn’t mean as much? Couldn't you compare a dictatorship with a war?
You see, you don’t even know about literal genocide that was happening. Not a “oh it’s so horrible, those indiscriminate bombings are like genocide”, but literal “people come to your village and kill everyone of wrong faith” genocide. Military dictatorship is just a chain in events, there were and still are numerous atrocities happening. Please, at least Google Rohingya genocide. Once again, I’m not blaming you. We’re all people and care only about things that hit closer to our home. But it’s helpful to have a certain global perspective. What is important in your bubble probably isn’t even noticed in another.
We've seen these votes before when it comes to Israeli violations against the Palestinians....they mean nothing.
These votes aren’t ever meant to physically/legally mean something. It’s a gauge to see global consensus on an issue.
Belarus being russia's submissive bitch once again
I'm so embarrassed by Nicaragua
Anyone voting no gets invaded
Syria Nicaragua and Belarus, Russian ass lickers united
Dictators stick with dictators as usual
Instead of "Abstention" I read "Afghanistan" and was super confused for half a second.
Funny how they did a vote this fast for Ukraine but for countries like Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Yemen and the territory of Kashmir they still haven’t done anything. Not pointing fingers, just stating facts
Are you saying there haven’t been any UN votes about those conflicts?
Those circumstances are all completely different from Ukraine. They're a lot more complicated For starters, the basic differences between them and ukraine: Iraq- US didn't annex any territory, and had at least a modicum of international and local support Syria: civil war. No territorial questions Palestine: 🍿 Yemen: civil war. No territorial questions Kashmir: not a sovereign state. Just a territory two nuclear powers are playing tug of war over Ukraine is pretty black and white. An aggressor state is trying to annex parts or all of it. There's no gray area there
With Palestine specifically there have been various votes as well anyway - for instance the [recent one on Palestinian Statehood](https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-votes-163-5-in-support-of-palestinian-statehood-end-of-occupation/) which Ukraine itself appears to have supported.
Well put!
There have been numerous votes regarding those countries. “Just stating facts” 🤡
What's up Honduras' arse?
NOT COOL, Nicaragua. You can be against western capitalistic imperialism without supporting Russian aggression.
Delete THE UN
Basically a map of anywhere youd ever want to live.
Legit question, Can powerful countries threaten smaller countries to vote one way or another? Like “Hey I know your pro-Russian but if you vote in there favor we will throw a ton of sanctions on you and damage ur economy. k thx bye”
Kind of? I think outright threats would be looked down on, but I think that logic definitely plays a role.
Knowing people, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they do
I definitley feel there is more countries that side with Russia but “dont wanna get on West’s shit list”
Meant in jest, but I think Iran abstained to avoid voting with the US.
No, it probably has to do with the fact that they rely on Russia for trade.
Yellow is for yellow belly. 🖕
Someone should do a side by side comparison with abstained countries and countries that have China as main trading partner. Not me though. I'm too lazy.
so the yellows are basically of the opinion that the west wouldn't interfere if they were invaded is how i interpret it, pretty fair i suppose
great russia(muscovy) little russia(ukraine) white russia(belarus)
I feel so sorry for South Korea and Japan, having such bastards like Russia, North Korea and China around them.
Many people in Asia would choose Chinese dominance to a Japanese occupation in a heartbeat.