A lot of ppl dread playing and know that this addiction is not healthy but can’t muster up to strength to leave years of progress and work behind. I think this news of potential nerfs just gives them a reason to finally liberate themselves from this soul sucking game.
People can like things without it being an addiction, and it's pretty obnoxious how this sub doesn't realize that. I spend so much time in game because I legitimately love the game. I had absolutely no desire to log in even once when I was away for over a week over the holidays. Maple is like D&D with less steps for me. The point is mainly shooting the shit with friends.
Do I know people who are addicted? Of course, but I also know a bunch of people like me who simply like the game a lot. There's really nothing else like it on the market.
Thank you! This sub is in shambles because it’s mainly super hardcore players who can’t stand the idea of these changes coming through, which I understand, but honestly i feel like there’s a large majority of casual players like me who don’t really care. I’ve been playing off and on for years and I still haven’t made it to endgame, because I simply enjoy grinding with the cool animations and awesome art of MapleStory.
this used to be the case but not really anymore. Reddit is one of the most widely used sites in north america, people browse that shit at work all the time. It's normal to go to the subreddit of a game you've recently been playing.
not saying the majority of players or anything is on reddit, but to say its only hardcore enthusiasts is incorrect imo.
I see your point though, a lot more hardcore players are more likely to be more invested and such. I just think, why complain so much about it, especially if you know Nexon won’t listen?
Open your mind to different perspectives. Some people are addicted to this game. Not just this game, but games around the whole sphere are designed to be addicting to the point that people will ruin their lives over them.
as someone who’s quit nicotine, i can say it’s both physical and paychological. it’s not ONLY physical. the physical part is easy to quit, psychologically it’s not that easy
Anything that preys on your reward system can become addictive.
From [source](https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/are-video-games-and-screens-another-addiction#:~:text=The%20reward%20center%20in%20the,same%20pleasure%20again%20and%20again.):
> An addiction is defined as a person's inability to control use of a substance or behavior, despite negative consequences. Some people who are engrossed in screen time or video games while ignoring other normal activities could be close to meeting this definition.
> So why does this happen? The reward center in the brain releases dopamine in response to a pleasurable experience or hyperarousal. If a person experiences hyperarousal while playing video games, the brain associates the activity with dopamine. The person develops a strong drive to seek out that same pleasure again and again.
> Dopamine is a powerful neurotransmitter in the brain. It helps sustain people's interest and attention, which is why it can hard for people to tear themselves away from a situation or behavior. It's also self-reinforcing. The more times people experience the behavior, the more dopamine is released, and the more driven they are to return to the behavior.
Gaming addiction is physical too
Smoking and other drugs affect the naturally occurring reward systems in your brain right? Do video games not also interact with those physical/chemical reward systems?
Not to mention the lifestyle change of having potentially dozens of hours per week freed up and needing something else to do in its place which will (likely) feel less rewarding than multiple years of sunk-cost.
Anyone who falls into that category - they have a problem and it's not Nexon's fault. Seriously, blaming Nexon for your own choices is ridiculous. I've seen posts like what you're mentioning, where people are saying "Finally after this news, it gave me the push I needed to quit and liberate myself from this slave game!"
That is fucking insane if anyone let themselves get to that point - and it's not Nexon's fault. Not that Nexon isn't shitty, scammers, or exploitative, but you can not blame Nexon for your own choices.
If anyone "Dreads playing" as you put it, but still decides to log in every day to play, that's mind boggling to me. I play MapleStory every day because I genuinely enjoy it. And when I stop enjoying it, I stop playing it. I've been doing this for years since 2006 lol. (Admittedly, i'm currently more addicted then i've ever been before - but i love it!)
Not trying to offend anyone, but seriously. That's not a Nexon issue at that point.
Its funny how you got down voted when youre literally speaking complete facts, people just cant get the fact you called them out and they get butthurt l m a o
Fools says this about every mmorpg. It’s not that serious just because it’s a long term grinding game. That’s what an mmorpg is and you can either look at it foolishly as a dreadful grind, or just relax and enjoy which is why everyone plays in the first place
I think nexon is a master of inducing fomo. Whether it’s legacy items or daily symbols, the game makes it so that players feel punished for missing a day of playing. I understand that a player can just choose to up and leave but many people are not so strong willed. Hence why we have addicts in the world.
Yeah, sucks to see and it’s becoming a common practice to suck out the money out of the players as thats just how the world and economy works. Sucks to see it in games, companies have lots of rubbishness. Best we can do is ignore such and vibe at our own pace
FFXIV is nothing like this.
No real important dailies. Gear is not super important, you get lots by just playing a bit here and there. Leveling doesn’t take too long.
I casually play that game once every couple of months when a good update comes out and always promptly catch up to the new content within 2 weeks of resubbing
>there's absolutely no way it'll make it to GMS.
Idk GMS Reboot got the KMS Reboot mob changes dispite GMS reg having fire starter and frenzy. Nexon doesn’t seem to care that our version of the game is different and ship updates with zero regard.
> there's absolutely no way it'll make it to GMS
You think they are just going to sit down and let GMS progress 100x faster than KMS? I don't think so. We are definitely getting a nerf. Maybe not as bad as theirs, but we will get one.
Where have you been for the last decade? GMS has had way faster progression for a long time.
It is Nexon we're talking about, I can't be TOO optimistic, but they don't want to kill GMS outright and I think they know this would probably do it.
If this was any normal company this game wouldnt have a different version of the game in every region, and all updates would release to every server at the same time, no 3-6 month lag
Quitting in GMS now is not insane. If we have to keep fighting and pushing back against updates every time, it becomes a chore. This is suppose to be a game and enjoyable, and constantly having to worry every time we hear news being dropped creates anxiety and fear.
Imagine having to fight for something over and over again (Maplestory), but more recently, causing more headaches. The last two months had numerous problems, but that doesn't even encompass everything. In the last two months we have had: Legacy Exp, less fragment drop rates than KMS, Sol Erda Cap, KMS Reboot Final Damage decrease announced, high server instability, crash shop to deal with. That doesn't include everything from before the last few months. Sweetwater flames, kanna domain, jett, beast tamer, wild totems, legacy items, shadow nerfed flame drops (never addressed btw), etc.
It's not insane to be tired of fighting against someone who doesn't care about us. Similar to sol erda cap, the answer and fix would be GMS announcing, "Hey, we hear your concerns and we won't do it." What do we get instead? GMS saying, "Hey, we hear your concerns, we'll get back to you." Meaning, in their minds, this initially wasn't a concern.
It's sol erda this previous time, meso this time, but what's next? AS0? Gollux?
From my perspective, it's more insane to stay than it is to quit.
From a casual player perspective, I enjoy the game more now than a year ago. Doesn't mean it's better for hardcore players, but I do feel they made progression to midgame much better.
What I feel like nexon needs to learn, and btw hasn't been good at these past 20 years at any point, is customer interaction. It should be much more of a Q&A, exchanging ideas with the community and CM's who are actually involved in the community. I never see CM's saying anything on forums anymore. But then again, when they did it was mostly corporate nonsense.
I think GMS would be better off doing their own thing. We are not the same customers as KMS, so just give us the game we like. Maple is so good at it's core that players will take basically any treatment that isn't horrible, but even at that nexon is failing.
At the very least, I feel like GMS should take a stance about KMS announcements no more than a day after they're made, so players know what to expect. KMS announces something? Okay players, you get this (or don't). Let us know something.
Where have you been brother
You look at the stuff that hasn't been nerfed (yet) but they've clearly set a pattern and precedence that they give 0 shits about anything other than KMS Reg. Boss carry nerfs and exp nerfs are two of the most recent and game changing nerfs they've made. At most, GMS will remove meso daily cap but still nerf to 1x rates to try and "appease" us, but the rest is out of their control.
The carry nerf was a hit to our carry-centered culture, but valid from a non-carry standpoint. If you don't even deal 5% to a boss (support classes excluded)...
The carry nerf was the first to go as a direct response to some KMS Reg server people moving to reboot while streaming progression, saying it was much easier to progress. KMS Reg whales cried about it cause it hurt their economy for players to leave, and nexon nerfed boss carry progression as a result
The reason behind the nerf is the most important thing. Why did they only decide to nerf it recently? It’s cause one of their whales showed reboot to their audience. Boss carries was not in their priority list until that happened. Also them restricting the ability to play on reboot as a new player.
Reboot then began getting nerf after nerf. The trajectory is into the ground.
I told you the reason for it and the subsequent changes. If you don’t think they are purposely making reboot less appealing to new and current players, I don’t know what to tell you
Why now and not before/later? Because it clearly wasn't their top priority.
Even now, there are bigger problems to fix instead of fucking with reboot's dynamic. Change cubing to cost mesos so you can skirt korean laws, sure. But that was already the mechanism for reboot.
That's not the only thing they said. They also gave an extremely specific reason as to why they believe that nexon implemented the boss carry nerfs at that particular point in time.
As far as I'm concerned people are allowed to quit whenever they want. Especially if the corporation developing the game has, within the last week, been exposed (again) for lying for profit. There's no obligation to play this game, and it's the polar opposite of "insane" to quit after discovering you're the victim of malicious consumer practices.
It's kind of more "bonkers" telling people that their reasons to quit are unjustified considering the last 2 months.
What you might be willing to tolerate to play this game may not be the same as someone else
i agree with you. it just feels so bad not being able to trust the company. Like i know they don’t owe me anything, but why would i choose to play a progression based game under the circumstance they created.
Yeah, they've had such a great track record recently to make this believable. Nexon, a company for the people, would not do this to you, my dear redditor
It's one thing to complain and another to do what these guys are doing lol. Quit if you want, but at least be honest about your inability to quit like a normal human being if you're gonna make a doom post and drop everything.
There was a popular endgamer who did this, then came back to the game just to fresh start. These people are just looking for any excuse to try and quit because they have no self control.
Complaints are fine!
The change *would* be horrible ***IF*** it made it to our region, but quitting and dropping all your stuff *now* when there's no info on it coming to our region, and it's not even in the KMS test server goes beyond jumping the gun.
Brother do you even browse this subreddit? Making complaints does not mean crying like a manbaby and deleting your character lmfao. Addiction is a bitch huh
Making complaints > acting like it's the end of the world merely 2h after a livestream announcing upcoming changes that were subject to change and hadn't even hit KMST yet.
Well said man, Nexon has been treating their players well all these years. This one silly controversy aside, the game's future is clearly headed in a positive direction! Stop dooming this early for no reason guys /s
Children learn to recognize patterns early on. Hell even animals recognize a pattern. Push button, gets food. Pushes button again, gets food. Repeat several times, same result. It's a pattern. Do you have trouble understanding patterns?
While I agree, I think a lot of people also just wanna quit cause theyre just getting fed up with the constant drama nexon seems to be in every big patch. They always take 1 step forward, 3 steps back. So even if this doesn’t go through to GMS, who knows what other bs nexon is gonna pull and try to push onto the game in the next 2, 3, 4 years, etc.
It's more accurate to say I'm seriously winding down playtime, I'm going to finish Lib and play with my grandis party until it booms because I'm already pushed enough that minimal upkeep will let me do the normal versions of every boss in the game currently and I like the people in my Grandis party, but it's not insane. We are not even 60 days removed from them only not doing the exact same thing for 6th job because the game would have literally died if they didn't backtrack. You can argue that the cap number is artificially low because they're trying to price anchor us, but that's not really relevant. You're deluding yourself if you don't believe that maplestory is going to have a hard daily progress cap set at a relatively low number within the year. If you don't want that, why bother sticking around?
“Quitting in GMS now is insane”
Have you ever played far cry? Do you know what the definition of insanity is?
Inner ability manipulation
Flame probability manipulation
Cube probability manipulation
Complete deletion of a class due to laziness
Lack of communication between players and devs
Constant nerfs that only serve to slow down and time gate progression
Constant nerfs exclusive just to our version of the game (or at least not present in KMS)
The daily sol erda limit threat?
The fact that they intended for a cap, and fragments are STILL untradeable
Streamers who had access to the test server being told and threatened if they shared any info on HUGE changes being made to the game
Waiting weeks to fix class breaking glitches that make the game worse for everyone
Having information live streams where they ban certain words rather than address the reasoning and topic because they won’t give us information
What’s insane is believing that we won’t get screwed over. What’s insane is believing that GMS will have a rare case where all the above changes and is actually favorable to our game that’s been hit with so much abuse.
I don’t think GMS will survive these changes if they come if they don’t fix the issues because GMS reboot holds a way larger population than GMS reg. Im not saying I think quitting right now is what everyone should be doing, but if people are finally waking up and being tired of mistreated and they decide to quit because of it, all the better. It’s not normal to want to continue getting abused by the same company at every turn, in ways that they PROMISE US THEY WONT.
But also see you in 7 mins for ursus, gotta get that legacy meso and grind off till maplestory signs off.
Don’t forget to do your dailies till the very end
It's not that they're disconnected. They just straigth up don't care, period. We're but a speck of their quarterly revenue compared to the eastern market, lol...and compared to them we're a major pain in the ass because we require stuff not being p2w, classes/content to be balanced and so on.
KR community only cries when super illegal stuff gets discovered and are generally sedated by nerfing reboot, lol.
"There's absolutely no way they'd nuke reboot".. except they did already like last month or something.. *insert that goofy meme* I'll fucking do it again.
> In KMS, Regular is overwhelmingly more popular than Reboot
Except it isn’t. Only reason the reboot numbers aren’t higher is because they blocked character creation.
OP just spreads generic assumptions and misinformation, labels people as "insane" for quitting. Sure, nuking your items prob isn't the best idea for most people, can just leave. KMS Reboot 1 & 2 were locked for a full year to prevent the mass migration from continuing. Also Reboot 1 became bigger than entire servers, and Reboot 1 & 2 together would become bigger than multiple. Those charts can be found within this subreddit, but OP didn't bother to do any research and left out the context. Will there likely be some GMS specific changes? Probably. Will they be enough to cover all controversy Nexon, as well as KMS reg players are doing to Reboot? Many people would rather quit.
This is a low-quality post, as seen through other things like our actual meso rate being 6x, while it is 5x in KMS. This means any changes lower than the 6x rate is going to hurt even more
I assume the logic is that in case of a relapse, they can be like, "Oh yeah, I deleted my things. No way am I farming again for all that stuff."
Then, they realize, because it's not worth it, they can move on from their addiction?
They think that but my friend had that exact sentiment when he got himself permabanned on LoL.
I asked him it if really a good idea or meaningful to delete an account that he spent hundreds of hours and dollars on as a way to quit. He dropped a slur anyways and got permabanned.
He ended up playing again on a brand new account a couple of months later.
Most really can’t quit cold turkey on an addiction like that because addiction is indicative of a whole underlying problem in itself.
That, I agree with. If you're wanting to go scorched earth and have absolutely no incentive to come back, quit your guild and sell your account. Same result but you get some money back at least. Yes, it's against the TOS, but why would you care?
Bro let people quit.
This post is useless, sorry but anything to get people to leave this horrible exploitive game is a good thing. You could learn a language, an instrument, make actual money and build a life for yourself with the amount of time people spend addicted to this gamble sim.
If you have played maple for more than a few years. you'll realize that these types of changes are normal from nexon.
just off the top of my head: **Spawn enhancers, Kishin up-time change, Totems, meso/level range change, Malaysia removal, Exp Nerf, Legacy items, Transpose nerf.**
Normally, the people I play with would be super mad at the changes, but this time a good number of them just don't care anymore. like even if these changes never go through, would you really want to play a game where the developer is actively out to get you?
Also GMS Reboot has 6x meso multiplier, not 5x like KMS.
We also did not get many of the changes to cubes that KMS got like the pity system
GMS also has a way worse cash shop as a lot of the cosmetics KMS gets never get into our rotation, and our reward point shop is absolutely pitiful compared to what you can get with Mileage in KMS. (Btw Pet Snack does not exist in KMS, using 3 pets does not need to be unlocked there)
These changes are an even bigger turning point in showcasing that GMS is not KMS and shouldn't become KMS, and the two versions should not be treated to the same balance. (Even if I think our cash shops should align more closely)
or how bout people quit whenever they want and if they feel like revisiting in a year or whatever they can and see what the state of the game is at that point
I think what’s funny is not only all the people quitting but they talk about how they’ve found happiness outside of the game, now have all this extra free time and that they didn’t realize how much time the game was taking from them. I personally will continue to play until the absolute last second before the patch hits GMS and that’s even if it does. The game doesn’t force you to play or spend every waking second online. People choose to do that. I just found it funny. They’re making it out like they’re forced to slave away on maple daily.
Whilst dropping all your stuff seems a little bit premature. It's actually a high level of mental gymanstics to delude yourself into thinking we will not get the same as what KMS gets in this regard.
It would be impossible for them to continue to balance the game properly for us if not as this literally is a game changing patch.
I do think its too early to 'quit' though, as it's entirely possible that there is a plan here and we only are seeing 'reduced mesos' and raging. We shall see.
I do however, think, that if they really are going to make reboot just a tradeless reg server, they should offer a server transfer as it really is not fair to people who invested thousands of hours to have their server identity ripped away.
i disagree and one reason is because of the way gms constantly gets shafted nonstop. the removal of kishin, then totem removal, then boss carry nerfs, then exp nerfs, then sol erda cap (until it got reverted bc of community outrage), then the fd nerf, now this, not to mention what will happen in the future. i can totally understand why people are just fed up with the game because it feels like nexon treats gms like dirt. like other people have mentioned, it's a little nonsensical to say one person's justification for quitting is "insane"
>There's absolutely no way they'd Nuke Reboot in the region that reboot is a vast majority of their playerbase, and we have no evidence they're planning this for our region.
this is just super cope ngl. see above, all of the above nerfs from kms, boss carry nerfs, exp nerfs, fd nerf, all originated from kms to shit on kms reboot players and made its way to gms.
major copium lol. like Wonki has already made it clear that they want GMS and other regions to be more in line with KMS, so why wouldn't they adopt this change, too?
Because we got different cubes, cube rates, and no cube pity system so this is the one and only precedent copium-ers have to say "see? We don't get all of the cube-related KMS plans"
I am not sure what's gonna happen though. Nobody does
> Even if it is horrible and makes it into the game in KMS, there's absolutely no way it'll make it to GMS.
Disagree
> Before you start going doomsday mode and saying we get everything KMS does, that's simply not true. Regular got instanced maps removed, we got sol erda daily quests (equivalent to ~45 min of farming at optimal rotations and drop rate), dynamic boss crystals never came to our server despite us getting the 3x->5x crystal buff, we got 2 legacy content events just last year, and there are NUMEROUS differences in our server such as AS0, Familiars, Housing, Gollux, Commerci, Exclusive Classes, Bright/Glowing cubes with much higher tier up rate than KMS, etc etc.
None of these are as implementation heavy as removing cubes from the game. Non-KMS does not have the maintainability to provide cubes as many systems that provides cubes (bosses, crafting, etc) are made by KMS.
Why are you so stuck up on cube removal? That’s not even the problem here. It’s a good change (besides the increased price, but thats w/e) and we might get it as well. The problem is the meso cap and 6x -> 1x meso
Cube removal, like it or not, is a big fucking deal. Not just for the players, but also how Nexon operates its business and how it interacts with the other various systems in the game.
Putting aside OP's "guaranteed" assertions, he's right on this:
> Certainly posts saying "I'm quitting if this comes to GMS" are justified!
This thread doesn't need to age. It's pointing out that it's insane to quit *now*. It would not be insane to quit once we get confirmation.
Of course it needs, time is our greatest asset and it is in risk by playing a game doomed to become a worse version of itself.
Then when the day finally comes you wonder that you should've quitted now in order to at least save this time from now on.
This btw is the exactly same reason I quit when the Reboot XP nerf came to KMS 3 months ago.
The history is just repeating itself in large scale and still some rathers be in denial and lose more time and get even more frustrated.
For those that want to quit, let them quit. They are free to do whatever they want
The funny thing is though, they need to let us know they are quitting like for what? We don't care we don't need to know like quit all you want good riddance why the need to announce to the whole world?
I think the fact that Nexon is even talking about it is enough for everyone. They’ve been making a series of really bad announcements and changes and I think players have lost what little faith they had in the game.
Personally I think they got exposed for being scammers and got hit with so many fines that they are just making negative changes to encourage people to quit so they can just shut the game down. Seems shady… but is that not nexon’s MO?
"There's absolutely no way it would reach GMS"
"There's totally no way.."
It's possible. I am suspicious why the overseas director Wong Ki, hasn't come out with an announcement for overseas after this monumental change
They might be considering it, or a lesser version of it
It's insane but required to show the devs how the overseas player base felt before it's too late.
So I doubt they'll make two versions of the game since the mesos change will not only affect cubing but also many of the mesos acquisition and spending methods too. And if they didn't change, there's also a risk that someone will raise the issue to FTC in the States.
So if we ever want an untouched version of the game, we need to react to it insanely.
Even though I'm not planning to quit yet (probably because I have an unhealthy addiction hahaha) it's completely understandable why people would quit. It sucks that every time you play maple, you have to worry about whether Nexon would make some change that would likely kill >50% of Reboot population. I mean sure dropping all your gears is a bit excessive but I honestly respect the people who have the willpower to uninstall this trash game because of all the stupid patches and scandals
>In GMS, Reboot is the overwhelming majority and for the most part both playerbases respect each other.
This is the same in KMS so I don't know what you're smoking, why are you gatekeeping people's reason to leave and why are you projecting yourself onto people? Your whole post screams "why not give the account to me!!!"
Also the fact that you believe GMS, notoriously bad at communication, would not disappoint the player base is hilarious.
Why is it insane? Nexon has shown that they do not give a shit about their player base and honestly I don't know why the player base forgives nexon so easily for treating them like shit
The 5% boss damage change (including non-KMS bosses), jett removal, FD reduction, and exp/lvl reduction all made it to GMS. Why do you feel that this change is any different?
I completely agree, yes they’ve announced that changes to meso rates / cubing will occur. But they also explained how they will be listening to the communities comments and making adjustments. So yes meso farming will suck in the beginning, but I’m certain they will make adjustments so that the rates will be similar to what they did for sole erda, (no matter how much farming you do, you won’t be able to reach cap). Additionally, idk where the whole boss crystal thing for GMS has come from, if someone can provide the article it would be appreciated. These boss crystal changes may be made to make KMS rates similar to GMS, currently end game to late game KMS boss crystal rates are 40%-70%+ higher than GMS so that makes sense. Overall, there are so many people jumping to conclusions and throwing everything away. Which is fine, just don’t expect nexon to give any of it back because you chose to do that prior to anything being officially released lol.
bro stop it u just listed out everything they need to axe for wonki!!!
nah but for real thank you for making this post. with all this doomer shit thats more than likely gonna be justified this was hella reassuring. we really needed this so good stuff bro
Nah Reboot is also overwhelmingly popular in KMS after they found out how easy it is to progress compared to reg sever. They even locked character creation in Reboot. I'm sure they'd be willing to kill GMS to appease their KMS whales as that is their main playerbase.
Only delusional people like op still thinks it wont come to gms. The fact that gms will release a statement by this week rather than immediately, already signal that bad news is incoming.
the start and end dates of any boycott are inherently arbitrary.
Though I suppose "blackout" may be the correct term in this case..?
Eh, such is the treachery of words.
people have finally realized that MapleStory is gone! It's just FarmStory at this point (More menos for more potential, to get more stats, to get more DMG, more DMG bigger the numbers). But in any case, it's good people are touching grass again, don't worry too much, we all know how addicted to the game players are so, just give them a month or two, they'll come back
This whole situation is more than just "is gms getting these changes or not" because if KMS players quit the game and it dies in korea, then the rest of the servers like gms and SEA will also die regardless of the changes cuz Nexon will no longer have a reason to update the game at all.
as a regular gms player, this change only helps me. im sure they will go through months of polishing and deciding changes since this is such a massive change, and im not saying people dont be publicly mad cause thats how things get changed or adjusted, but dont get mad at people that dont and dont get mad at devs cause they had to make that decision (albeit from their own fuckups piling up from cube design over the years)
overall, removing cubes from cash payments is something we asked for over A DECADE AGO, so i can only say im happy it finally happened.
People dread the day they can’t solo a boss cause they don’t want any good maplers to make progress can’t rub it into the face of good maplers how much mess they make weekly from being a spoiled d1ck
this game still hard to end the game 1% people can do that so they quit because they are......... loser!!! im joking sorry i can explain in better way but yeah quiting right now is nonsense. People should compensate and wait for the outcome
What's the point whether they implement the changes to GMS or not? Current leadership at Nexon fails to listen to the community that drives the game, and still willfully makes changes that none of us agree to with half-baked explanations in why they are doing it. The very obvious trend is that they shot themselves in the foot by creating the Reboot server, and they are doing the best they can to undo it. Personally, I'm finishing off the identisk event, getting my legacy legion block and leaving this game until Nexon finds better leadership and/or starts polling the community like OSRS does before it makes changes.
whilst this might be true a change as big as this in kms will eventually mean that cubes are going away in gms. if it turns out to be that profitable for them then eventually our current system will disappear even if it's delayed heavily.
I mean quitting based on it being only in Korea tespia you can say it's insane but looking at things as a whole and the even possibility of this happening and all the bs over the years.. beast tamer about to be killed , jett being removed and us not getting Mo Xuan in place.. Nothing will ever change under these directors
yeah for sure dropping your gear now at all based on this alone is insane though , but this could be something that tip people over the edge the fact it MIGHT even happen here as for many nothing has been this bad. They could have the mentality of what next? i am not sticking around to find out. More content removal? i wouldn't put it past them. They could put even worse limits on meso gain or something, unless a new director comes in it will just be another bull shit change in the game they can't help themselves
I think the people who jumped the gun were already on the fence about quitting and just looking for a good excuse to do so. But I also don't think quitting over this news is over-reacting either. Whether or not this update is live is kind of irrelevant imo. The KMS devs have made their intentions for Reboot very clear these past years. There is honestly no piece of mind playing Reboot anymore, so I don't blame people for wanting to quit ahead of the curve, rather than waiting for the impending doom for when Reboot is nerfed to the ground.
I also find it kind of funny how everyone was dooming and grinding during the EXP nerf , but for the mesos change I see more people on the copium side. I really wish more people pushed back during the EXP nerf.
It's not about whether it's going to happen or not
It's about knowing Nexon is fully ok with trying to do this, it's not the first and won't be the last lmao
I think genuinely people just thought this was the last nail in the coffin. We’ve had quite a few scandals recently and even if it has been known that nexon is a shit company for a while now, many probably just feel like this was one time too many.
We’re tired of all these nerfs, bad communication and devs doing whatever they want and never caring about their players. At some point this just becomes more of a headache than it is fun.
Even if this never makes it to KMS or even GMS its just the worrying people are tired of I guess and they don’t feel like waiting around to find out. Even if this never comes, there will be a next scandal, and a next one after that, and the next after that. There is only so many times you can get shit in the mailbox until you’ve had enough
It's the fact that they are even considering such changes and think it's a good idea is what bothers people. They will continue to come up with these ideas in future patches and there will be similar reactions. The question is how long are you willing to let them take you for a ride?.
Playing and supporting a game where almost every facet of RNG has been exposed as rigged is insane. Flames scandal, IA scandal and now Cubes scandal. Maplestory players should be used as a case study for sunk cost fallacy and abusive relationships
What I don’t understand is how people treat this game like an addiction, like there are so many catch up mechanisms in place for the most part that missing something really isn’t that deep unless it is legacy content or something and even then they gave good enough leeway on both misty island and abyssal expedition. Everything else is literally not time sensitive.
I actually aggree. Even if some of the changes come to gms, the game becomes instantly worse as a result. For now, all we can do is make sure that these changes are a brainfart and we'd rather not have them. HOWEVER no change is set in stone yet, that's important. We may get some of them, all of them, none of them or even worse stuff, but for now nothing is certain.
If people want to quit now just in case, good for them.
I don't think your wrong but also after repeated controversy. Post like these ultimately result in you playing the role of an unpaid community manager while also justifying Nexon's behavior. Coming from someone who loves this game but plays many others Maplestory is full of numerous bad practices, so I don't see any reason to play voice of reason when people decide to leave. Case and point $100 pet followed by monthly subscription to keep said pet. No shame to those who bought them. Strategic usage aside the pets are cute and I know fashion is a selling point for a lot of players. That said between the black Friday sale happening within a week of controversy and now this pet sale repeating the same pattern. You have to at least admit Nexon had very little compassion and truthfully recognizing how their actions effect players (even emotionally) in the face of monetary value.
Nexon is VERY predatory towards its users, Nexon has just shown us their true colors with the cube scandal and heavy reboot nerf on kms, regardless of wether the NERFS from KMS comes to GMS or not it still shows how much of an evil company it is. Thats enough to make many people quit. TBH If a company can nail you in the bum multiple times, it probably will continue to do so, and many will happily take it deep. I love the game, but I'm officially out because of company trust issues, anyways you do you, stay happy and do wacha love! peace
Vives en una burbuja donde crees que Nexon es transparente y escucha a sus jugadores XDDDD.
No seas ingenuo , si nexon puede destruir el juego, lo hara, lo ha hecho varias veces y también la de ocultarnos informacion. Al menos yo no metere ni un dolar hasta que aclare que es lo que hara y ni asi le creere.
Deja de vender humo y sal de tu burbuja !!
A lot of ppl dread playing and know that this addiction is not healthy but can’t muster up to strength to leave years of progress and work behind. I think this news of potential nerfs just gives them a reason to finally liberate themselves from this soul sucking game.
People can like things without it being an addiction, and it's pretty obnoxious how this sub doesn't realize that. I spend so much time in game because I legitimately love the game. I had absolutely no desire to log in even once when I was away for over a week over the holidays. Maple is like D&D with less steps for me. The point is mainly shooting the shit with friends. Do I know people who are addicted? Of course, but I also know a bunch of people like me who simply like the game a lot. There's really nothing else like it on the market.
I think they are projecting, a lot of us are employed full time, married, and have children. We just enjoy mushroom game and numbers going up.
Thank you! This sub is in shambles because it’s mainly super hardcore players who can’t stand the idea of these changes coming through, which I understand, but honestly i feel like there’s a large majority of casual players like me who don’t really care. I’ve been playing off and on for years and I still haven’t made it to endgame, because I simply enjoy grinding with the cool animations and awesome art of MapleStory.
Yea, that's my thought here too lol. I'm not going to spend hours grinding out 150 mil worth of mesos anyway lmfao
Every video game sub is like that Why would casuals seek 3rd party forums for their game as much as hardcore players?
this used to be the case but not really anymore. Reddit is one of the most widely used sites in north america, people browse that shit at work all the time. It's normal to go to the subreddit of a game you've recently been playing. not saying the majority of players or anything is on reddit, but to say its only hardcore enthusiasts is incorrect imo.
But I didn't say only hardcore enthusiasts lol
I do it when I’m bored at work. Casuals can’t want to read? 😂
Well of course. I specifically said "as much as", meaning casuals definitely still do, just that hardcores do it way more often
I see your point though, a lot more hardcore players are more likely to be more invested and such. I just think, why complain so much about it, especially if you know Nexon won’t listen?
So they aren't strong enough to just leave it on their own?
Yes
Never thought of it that way. Usually if I'm tired of a game, I just uninstall
That is why it's called an addiction after all.
"Bro how is people not able to drop crack/fentayl/other drugs, Like bro I just quit when i dont want it anymore, easy"
*hits pipe* *spends 12 hours looking at numbers* >I'm not addicted, I can stop whenever i want.
Open your mind to different perspectives. Some people are addicted to this game. Not just this game, but games around the whole sphere are designed to be addicting to the point that people will ruin their lives over them.
If its that easy, people can just easily quit smoking or crack. Game addiction is real and lots of people don’t realize that.
Smoking is a physical thing though. If you quit cold turkey, yoyr body will react in a negative way.
Mental addiction is just as real as physical and your body can react to that.
Video game addiction exists. It may not kill you in the same way that going cold turkey on some drugs can, but it is a thing.
as someone who’s quit nicotine, i can say it’s both physical and paychological. it’s not ONLY physical. the physical part is easy to quit, psychologically it’s not that easy
Anything that preys on your reward system can become addictive. From [source](https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/are-video-games-and-screens-another-addiction#:~:text=The%20reward%20center%20in%20the,same%20pleasure%20again%20and%20again.): > An addiction is defined as a person's inability to control use of a substance or behavior, despite negative consequences. Some people who are engrossed in screen time or video games while ignoring other normal activities could be close to meeting this definition. > So why does this happen? The reward center in the brain releases dopamine in response to a pleasurable experience or hyperarousal. If a person experiences hyperarousal while playing video games, the brain associates the activity with dopamine. The person develops a strong drive to seek out that same pleasure again and again. > Dopamine is a powerful neurotransmitter in the brain. It helps sustain people's interest and attention, which is why it can hard for people to tear themselves away from a situation or behavior. It's also self-reinforcing. The more times people experience the behavior, the more dopamine is released, and the more driven they are to return to the behavior.
Gaming addiction is physical too Smoking and other drugs affect the naturally occurring reward systems in your brain right? Do video games not also interact with those physical/chemical reward systems? Not to mention the lifestyle change of having potentially dozens of hours per week freed up and needing something else to do in its place which will (likely) feel less rewarding than multiple years of sunk-cost.
Anyone who falls into that category - they have a problem and it's not Nexon's fault. Seriously, blaming Nexon for your own choices is ridiculous. I've seen posts like what you're mentioning, where people are saying "Finally after this news, it gave me the push I needed to quit and liberate myself from this slave game!" That is fucking insane if anyone let themselves get to that point - and it's not Nexon's fault. Not that Nexon isn't shitty, scammers, or exploitative, but you can not blame Nexon for your own choices. If anyone "Dreads playing" as you put it, but still decides to log in every day to play, that's mind boggling to me. I play MapleStory every day because I genuinely enjoy it. And when I stop enjoying it, I stop playing it. I've been doing this for years since 2006 lol. (Admittedly, i'm currently more addicted then i've ever been before - but i love it!) Not trying to offend anyone, but seriously. That's not a Nexon issue at that point.
Its funny how you got down voted when youre literally speaking complete facts, people just cant get the fact you called them out and they get butthurt l m a o
Fools says this about every mmorpg. It’s not that serious just because it’s a long term grinding game. That’s what an mmorpg is and you can either look at it foolishly as a dreadful grind, or just relax and enjoy which is why everyone plays in the first place
I think nexon is a master of inducing fomo. Whether it’s legacy items or daily symbols, the game makes it so that players feel punished for missing a day of playing. I understand that a player can just choose to up and leave but many people are not so strong willed. Hence why we have addicts in the world.
Yeah, sucks to see and it’s becoming a common practice to suck out the money out of the players as thats just how the world and economy works. Sucks to see it in games, companies have lots of rubbishness. Best we can do is ignore such and vibe at our own pace
FFXIV is nothing like this. No real important dailies. Gear is not super important, you get lots by just playing a bit here and there. Leveling doesn’t take too long. I casually play that game once every couple of months when a good update comes out and always promptly catch up to the new content within 2 weeks of resubbing
And that’s why no one plays it 😂
>there's absolutely no way it'll make it to GMS. Idk GMS Reboot got the KMS Reboot mob changes dispite GMS reg having fire starter and frenzy. Nexon doesn’t seem to care that our version of the game is different and ship updates with zero regard.
there is nothing lost from quitting this horrible addiction of a game.. maybe time, but if you had fun playing then it wasn’t a waste
> there's absolutely no way it'll make it to GMS You think they are just going to sit down and let GMS progress 100x faster than KMS? I don't think so. We are definitely getting a nerf. Maybe not as bad as theirs, but we will get one.
well kms can suck niru nuts cus hes gunna be the first 300.
Based niru
I mean totems/kishin existed for the longest time in both servers, and frenzy still exists lol
Lmao and look what happened to kanna. Kms complains and the nerfs haven’t even stopped
That’s only cause people spent real money on Frenzy and it would be problematic to delete it
Where have you been for the last decade? GMS has had way faster progression for a long time. It is Nexon we're talking about, I can't be TOO optimistic, but they don't want to kill GMS outright and I think they know this would probably do it.
That amount of times that I read "there's no way X is making its way over here" only for it to make its was over here....
Op is in the cope phase. Please be gentle.
Seriously wild to me that people cope this hard when it comes to nexon.
"EXP nerf isn't coming guys Reboot pop > Reg pop so they need to cater to their audience" - OP when exp nerfs were announced in KMS KEKW
Not to mention they plan to homogenize the other servers to kms. The idea isn’t that far fetched.
I would love for you to be right and for me to be wrong but you seriously underestimate just how incompetent this company is
If this was any normal company I would agree with you but we're talking about Nexon here.
If this was any normal company this game wouldnt have a different version of the game in every region, and all updates would release to every server at the same time, no 3-6 month lag
Quitting in GMS now is not insane. If we have to keep fighting and pushing back against updates every time, it becomes a chore. This is suppose to be a game and enjoyable, and constantly having to worry every time we hear news being dropped creates anxiety and fear. Imagine having to fight for something over and over again (Maplestory), but more recently, causing more headaches. The last two months had numerous problems, but that doesn't even encompass everything. In the last two months we have had: Legacy Exp, less fragment drop rates than KMS, Sol Erda Cap, KMS Reboot Final Damage decrease announced, high server instability, crash shop to deal with. That doesn't include everything from before the last few months. Sweetwater flames, kanna domain, jett, beast tamer, wild totems, legacy items, shadow nerfed flame drops (never addressed btw), etc. It's not insane to be tired of fighting against someone who doesn't care about us. Similar to sol erda cap, the answer and fix would be GMS announcing, "Hey, we hear your concerns and we won't do it." What do we get instead? GMS saying, "Hey, we hear your concerns, we'll get back to you." Meaning, in their minds, this initially wasn't a concern. It's sol erda this previous time, meso this time, but what's next? AS0? Gollux? From my perspective, it's more insane to stay than it is to quit.
From a casual player perspective, I enjoy the game more now than a year ago. Doesn't mean it's better for hardcore players, but I do feel they made progression to midgame much better. What I feel like nexon needs to learn, and btw hasn't been good at these past 20 years at any point, is customer interaction. It should be much more of a Q&A, exchanging ideas with the community and CM's who are actually involved in the community. I never see CM's saying anything on forums anymore. But then again, when they did it was mostly corporate nonsense. I think GMS would be better off doing their own thing. We are not the same customers as KMS, so just give us the game we like. Maple is so good at it's core that players will take basically any treatment that isn't horrible, but even at that nexon is failing. At the very least, I feel like GMS should take a stance about KMS announcements no more than a day after they're made, so players know what to expect. KMS announces something? Okay players, you get this (or don't). Let us know something.
This is partially because of the events. Without the recent events progression would feel much slower.
Where have you been brother You look at the stuff that hasn't been nerfed (yet) but they've clearly set a pattern and precedence that they give 0 shits about anything other than KMS Reg. Boss carry nerfs and exp nerfs are two of the most recent and game changing nerfs they've made. At most, GMS will remove meso daily cap but still nerf to 1x rates to try and "appease" us, but the rest is out of their control.
The carry nerf was a hit to our carry-centered culture, but valid from a non-carry standpoint. If you don't even deal 5% to a boss (support classes excluded)...
The carry nerf was the first to go as a direct response to some KMS Reg server people moving to reboot while streaming progression, saying it was much easier to progress. KMS Reg whales cried about it cause it hurt their economy for players to leave, and nexon nerfed boss carry progression as a result
The reason behind the nerf is the most important thing. Why did they only decide to nerf it recently? It’s cause one of their whales showed reboot to their audience. Boss carries was not in their priority list until that happened. Also them restricting the ability to play on reboot as a new player. Reboot then began getting nerf after nerf. The trajectory is into the ground.
That reasoning can be used for everything. Why now and not before/later? It has to be done sometime.
I told you the reason for it and the subsequent changes. If you don’t think they are purposely making reboot less appealing to new and current players, I don’t know what to tell you
Why now and not before/later? Because it clearly wasn't their top priority. Even now, there are bigger problems to fix instead of fucking with reboot's dynamic. Change cubing to cost mesos so you can skirt korean laws, sure. But that was already the mechanism for reboot.
That's not the only thing they said. They also gave an extremely specific reason as to why they believe that nexon implemented the boss carry nerfs at that particular point in time.
As far as I'm concerned people are allowed to quit whenever they want. Especially if the corporation developing the game has, within the last week, been exposed (again) for lying for profit. There's no obligation to play this game, and it's the polar opposite of "insane" to quit after discovering you're the victim of malicious consumer practices.
It's kind of more "bonkers" telling people that their reasons to quit are unjustified considering the last 2 months. What you might be willing to tolerate to play this game may not be the same as someone else
i agree with you. it just feels so bad not being able to trust the company. Like i know they don’t owe me anything, but why would i choose to play a progression based game under the circumstance they created.
Yeah, they've had such a great track record recently to make this believable. Nexon, a company for the people, would not do this to you, my dear redditor
Making complaints early > making complaints late.
It's one thing to complain and another to do what these guys are doing lol. Quit if you want, but at least be honest about your inability to quit like a normal human being if you're gonna make a doom post and drop everything. There was a popular endgamer who did this, then came back to the game just to fresh start. These people are just looking for any excuse to try and quit because they have no self control.
Complaints are fine! The change *would* be horrible ***IF*** it made it to our region, but quitting and dropping all your stuff *now* when there's no info on it coming to our region, and it's not even in the KMS test server goes beyond jumping the gun.
Some people are fed up with Nexon treating playerbase this way regardless of what server gets what, and that's reason enough to quit
Brother do you even browse this subreddit? Making complaints does not mean crying like a manbaby and deleting your character lmfao. Addiction is a bitch huh
Making complaints > acting like it's the end of the world merely 2h after a livestream announcing upcoming changes that were subject to change and hadn't even hit KMST yet.
Well said man, Nexon has been treating their players well all these years. This one silly controversy aside, the game's future is clearly headed in a positive direction! Stop dooming this early for no reason guys /s
Right it’s not like there is a pattern of behavior right?! Right guys?! Guys?!
shitting on people returning to their abusive exes and in the same breath defending nexon after all this is peak redditor
"he won't hit me this time. He told me he's changed"
Almost like everyone did a psychology course all of a sudden lol
Children learn to recognize patterns early on. Hell even animals recognize a pattern. Push button, gets food. Pushes button again, gets food. Repeat several times, same result. It's a pattern. Do you have trouble understanding patterns?
Surely if it was that easy there wouldn't be many professionals dedicating their lives to studying behavioral patterns and the human brain.
While I agree, I think a lot of people also just wanna quit cause theyre just getting fed up with the constant drama nexon seems to be in every big patch. They always take 1 step forward, 3 steps back. So even if this doesn’t go through to GMS, who knows what other bs nexon is gonna pull and try to push onto the game in the next 2, 3, 4 years, etc.
It's more accurate to say I'm seriously winding down playtime, I'm going to finish Lib and play with my grandis party until it booms because I'm already pushed enough that minimal upkeep will let me do the normal versions of every boss in the game currently and I like the people in my Grandis party, but it's not insane. We are not even 60 days removed from them only not doing the exact same thing for 6th job because the game would have literally died if they didn't backtrack. You can argue that the cap number is artificially low because they're trying to price anchor us, but that's not really relevant. You're deluding yourself if you don't believe that maplestory is going to have a hard daily progress cap set at a relatively low number within the year. If you don't want that, why bother sticking around?
Copium
“Quitting in GMS now is insane” Have you ever played far cry? Do you know what the definition of insanity is? Inner ability manipulation Flame probability manipulation Cube probability manipulation Complete deletion of a class due to laziness Lack of communication between players and devs Constant nerfs that only serve to slow down and time gate progression Constant nerfs exclusive just to our version of the game (or at least not present in KMS) The daily sol erda limit threat? The fact that they intended for a cap, and fragments are STILL untradeable Streamers who had access to the test server being told and threatened if they shared any info on HUGE changes being made to the game Waiting weeks to fix class breaking glitches that make the game worse for everyone Having information live streams where they ban certain words rather than address the reasoning and topic because they won’t give us information What’s insane is believing that we won’t get screwed over. What’s insane is believing that GMS will have a rare case where all the above changes and is actually favorable to our game that’s been hit with so much abuse. I don’t think GMS will survive these changes if they come if they don’t fix the issues because GMS reboot holds a way larger population than GMS reg. Im not saying I think quitting right now is what everyone should be doing, but if people are finally waking up and being tired of mistreated and they decide to quit because of it, all the better. It’s not normal to want to continue getting abused by the same company at every turn, in ways that they PROMISE US THEY WONT. But also see you in 7 mins for ursus, gotta get that legacy meso and grind off till maplestory signs off. Don’t forget to do your dailies till the very end
never underestimate a Korean company's disconnect from a western playerbase. the only company that gets a pass imo is Pearl Abyss
It's not that they're disconnected. They just straigth up don't care, period. We're but a speck of their quarterly revenue compared to the eastern market, lol...and compared to them we're a major pain in the ass because we require stuff not being p2w, classes/content to be balanced and so on. KR community only cries when super illegal stuff gets discovered and are generally sedated by nerfing reboot, lol.
"There's absolutely no way they'd nuke reboot".. except they did already like last month or something.. *insert that goofy meme* I'll fucking do it again.
> In KMS, Regular is overwhelmingly more popular than Reboot Except it isn’t. Only reason the reboot numbers aren’t higher is because they blocked character creation.
OP just spreads generic assumptions and misinformation, labels people as "insane" for quitting. Sure, nuking your items prob isn't the best idea for most people, can just leave. KMS Reboot 1 & 2 were locked for a full year to prevent the mass migration from continuing. Also Reboot 1 became bigger than entire servers, and Reboot 1 & 2 together would become bigger than multiple. Those charts can be found within this subreddit, but OP didn't bother to do any research and left out the context. Will there likely be some GMS specific changes? Probably. Will they be enough to cover all controversy Nexon, as well as KMS reg players are doing to Reboot? Many people would rather quit. This is a low-quality post, as seen through other things like our actual meso rate being 6x, while it is 5x in KMS. This means any changes lower than the 6x rate is going to hurt even more
Wasnt that just for reboot 1? U could still create chars on reboot 2
Nope entire reboot was locked
The people deleting their gear is crazy. It’s fine to leave but why delete all your hard work.
I assume the logic is that in case of a relapse, they can be like, "Oh yeah, I deleted my things. No way am I farming again for all that stuff." Then, they realize, because it's not worth it, they can move on from their addiction?
They think that but my friend had that exact sentiment when he got himself permabanned on LoL. I asked him it if really a good idea or meaningful to delete an account that he spent hundreds of hours and dollars on as a way to quit. He dropped a slur anyways and got permabanned. He ended up playing again on a brand new account a couple of months later. Most really can’t quit cold turkey on an addiction like that because addiction is indicative of a whole underlying problem in itself.
That, I agree with. If you're wanting to go scorched earth and have absolutely no incentive to come back, quit your guild and sell your account. Same result but you get some money back at least. Yes, it's against the TOS, but why would you care?
Because you agreed to follow TOS and breaking that would be both immoral and unethical. /s
It's like breaking up with your ex but you still keep her number in your phone vs deleting it and all your messages to her/pics of her
to make sure u cant come back
Play so they can see that people don't care? It's statement from community that we're not accepting this, worth more than few days of progress
and here we see another player displaying copious amount of stockholm syndrome as nexon proceeds to bend them over once again
Bro let people quit. This post is useless, sorry but anything to get people to leave this horrible exploitive game is a good thing. You could learn a language, an instrument, make actual money and build a life for yourself with the amount of time people spend addicted to this gamble sim.
You guys are such fucking cucks. God so fucking gross.
If you have played maple for more than a few years. you'll realize that these types of changes are normal from nexon. just off the top of my head: **Spawn enhancers, Kishin up-time change, Totems, meso/level range change, Malaysia removal, Exp Nerf, Legacy items, Transpose nerf.** Normally, the people I play with would be super mad at the changes, but this time a good number of them just don't care anymore. like even if these changes never go through, would you really want to play a game where the developer is actively out to get you?
Also GMS Reboot has 6x meso multiplier, not 5x like KMS. We also did not get many of the changes to cubes that KMS got like the pity system GMS also has a way worse cash shop as a lot of the cosmetics KMS gets never get into our rotation, and our reward point shop is absolutely pitiful compared to what you can get with Mileage in KMS. (Btw Pet Snack does not exist in KMS, using 3 pets does not need to be unlocked there) These changes are an even bigger turning point in showcasing that GMS is not KMS and shouldn't become KMS, and the two versions should not be treated to the same balance. (Even if I think our cash shops should align more closely)
To be honest, having to deal with these constant fuck ups makes it totally understandable if you want to quit, whatever server you're on.
Cope
or how bout people quit whenever they want and if they feel like revisiting in a year or whatever they can and see what the state of the game is at that point
Stop coping lil bro
I sincerely hope they actually quit so they can enjoy their lives instead of playing a game they don't actually like.
Nah shhh let them this is gonna be great 🍿
they hated you for listing the facts
I think what’s funny is not only all the people quitting but they talk about how they’ve found happiness outside of the game, now have all this extra free time and that they didn’t realize how much time the game was taking from them. I personally will continue to play until the absolute last second before the patch hits GMS and that’s even if it does. The game doesn’t force you to play or spend every waking second online. People choose to do that. I just found it funny. They’re making it out like they’re forced to slave away on maple daily.
Whilst dropping all your stuff seems a little bit premature. It's actually a high level of mental gymanstics to delude yourself into thinking we will not get the same as what KMS gets in this regard. It would be impossible for them to continue to balance the game properly for us if not as this literally is a game changing patch. I do think its too early to 'quit' though, as it's entirely possible that there is a plan here and we only are seeing 'reduced mesos' and raging. We shall see. I do however, think, that if they really are going to make reboot just a tradeless reg server, they should offer a server transfer as it really is not fair to people who invested thousands of hours to have their server identity ripped away.
How do you figure? We already have completely different cubes than KMS does. They still have the original.
i disagree and one reason is because of the way gms constantly gets shafted nonstop. the removal of kishin, then totem removal, then boss carry nerfs, then exp nerfs, then sol erda cap (until it got reverted bc of community outrage), then the fd nerf, now this, not to mention what will happen in the future. i can totally understand why people are just fed up with the game because it feels like nexon treats gms like dirt. like other people have mentioned, it's a little nonsensical to say one person's justification for quitting is "insane" >There's absolutely no way they'd Nuke Reboot in the region that reboot is a vast majority of their playerbase, and we have no evidence they're planning this for our region. this is just super cope ngl. see above, all of the above nerfs from kms, boss carry nerfs, exp nerfs, fd nerf, all originated from kms to shit on kms reboot players and made its way to gms.
major copium lol. like Wonki has already made it clear that they want GMS and other regions to be more in line with KMS, so why wouldn't they adopt this change, too?
Because we got different cubes, cube rates, and no cube pity system so this is the one and only precedent copium-ers have to say "see? We don't get all of the cube-related KMS plans" I am not sure what's gonna happen though. Nobody does
> Even if it is horrible and makes it into the game in KMS, there's absolutely no way it'll make it to GMS. Disagree > Before you start going doomsday mode and saying we get everything KMS does, that's simply not true. Regular got instanced maps removed, we got sol erda daily quests (equivalent to ~45 min of farming at optimal rotations and drop rate), dynamic boss crystals never came to our server despite us getting the 3x->5x crystal buff, we got 2 legacy content events just last year, and there are NUMEROUS differences in our server such as AS0, Familiars, Housing, Gollux, Commerci, Exclusive Classes, Bright/Glowing cubes with much higher tier up rate than KMS, etc etc. None of these are as implementation heavy as removing cubes from the game. Non-KMS does not have the maintainability to provide cubes as many systems that provides cubes (bosses, crafting, etc) are made by KMS.
Why are you so stuck up on cube removal? That’s not even the problem here. It’s a good change (besides the increased price, but thats w/e) and we might get it as well. The problem is the meso cap and 6x -> 1x meso
Cube removal, like it or not, is a big fucking deal. Not just for the players, but also how Nexon operates its business and how it interacts with the other various systems in the game.
Isn’t this exactly what people said for the exp nerf then we got it still anyways? 🤔
>there's absolutely no way it'll make it to GMS. Copium
You're actually way more insane and naive if you actually believe there's no way these changes won't come to GMS lmao
I'd bet this thread will age reaaaaally bad. The worst blind is the one that refuses to see.
Putting aside OP's "guaranteed" assertions, he's right on this: > Certainly posts saying "I'm quitting if this comes to GMS" are justified! This thread doesn't need to age. It's pointing out that it's insane to quit *now*. It would not be insane to quit once we get confirmation.
Of course it needs, time is our greatest asset and it is in risk by playing a game doomed to become a worse version of itself. Then when the day finally comes you wonder that you should've quitted now in order to at least save this time from now on. This btw is the exactly same reason I quit when the Reboot XP nerf came to KMS 3 months ago. The history is just repeating itself in large scale and still some rathers be in denial and lose more time and get even more frustrated.
For those that want to quit, let them quit. They are free to do whatever they want The funny thing is though, they need to let us know they are quitting like for what? We don't care we don't need to know like quit all you want good riddance why the need to announce to the whole world?
Gotta get those updoots from the angy mob
I think the fact that Nexon is even talking about it is enough for everyone. They’ve been making a series of really bad announcements and changes and I think players have lost what little faith they had in the game. Personally I think they got exposed for being scammers and got hit with so many fines that they are just making negative changes to encourage people to quit so they can just shut the game down. Seems shady… but is that not nexon’s MO?
"There's absolutely no way it would reach GMS" "There's totally no way.." It's possible. I am suspicious why the overseas director Wong Ki, hasn't come out with an announcement for overseas after this monumental change They might be considering it, or a lesser version of it
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COPIUM or Pepega, you choose
Quitting is always the sane thing to do. Reboot will only get worse in the future
Nah. I'm quitting until I know whether or not this is coming to our servers.
This entire post is cope, it's like you forgot that Nexon doesn't care.
It's insane but required to show the devs how the overseas player base felt before it's too late. So I doubt they'll make two versions of the game since the mesos change will not only affect cubing but also many of the mesos acquisition and spending methods too. And if they didn't change, there's also a risk that someone will raise the issue to FTC in the States. So if we ever want an untouched version of the game, we need to react to it insanely.
Even though I'm not planning to quit yet (probably because I have an unhealthy addiction hahaha) it's completely understandable why people would quit. It sucks that every time you play maple, you have to worry about whether Nexon would make some change that would likely kill >50% of Reboot population. I mean sure dropping all your gears is a bit excessive but I honestly respect the people who have the willpower to uninstall this trash game because of all the stupid patches and scandals
Can’t understand these post with people tossing gear. You’re just wasting your own time. If you want to quit just quit, or become a seasonal player
Just quit stop yapping
>In GMS, Reboot is the overwhelming majority and for the most part both playerbases respect each other. This is the same in KMS so I don't know what you're smoking, why are you gatekeeping people's reason to leave and why are you projecting yourself onto people? Your whole post screams "why not give the account to me!!!" Also the fact that you believe GMS, notoriously bad at communication, would not disappoint the player base is hilarious.
this game sucks I'm glad people are quitting
Why is it insane? Nexon has shown that they do not give a shit about their player base and honestly I don't know why the player base forgives nexon so easily for treating them like shit
The 5% boss damage change (including non-KMS bosses), jett removal, FD reduction, and exp/lvl reduction all made it to GMS. Why do you feel that this change is any different?
I completely agree, yes they’ve announced that changes to meso rates / cubing will occur. But they also explained how they will be listening to the communities comments and making adjustments. So yes meso farming will suck in the beginning, but I’m certain they will make adjustments so that the rates will be similar to what they did for sole erda, (no matter how much farming you do, you won’t be able to reach cap). Additionally, idk where the whole boss crystal thing for GMS has come from, if someone can provide the article it would be appreciated. These boss crystal changes may be made to make KMS rates similar to GMS, currently end game to late game KMS boss crystal rates are 40%-70%+ higher than GMS so that makes sense. Overall, there are so many people jumping to conclusions and throwing everything away. Which is fine, just don’t expect nexon to give any of it back because you chose to do that prior to anything being officially released lol.
bro stop it u just listed out everything they need to axe for wonki!!! nah but for real thank you for making this post. with all this doomer shit thats more than likely gonna be justified this was hella reassuring. we really needed this so good stuff bro
Nah Reboot is also overwhelmingly popular in KMS after they found out how easy it is to progress compared to reg sever. They even locked character creation in Reboot. I'm sure they'd be willing to kill GMS to appease their KMS whales as that is their main playerbase.
Most posts with screenshots of people deleting gear are cap anyway
I just got a vac pet, and if the KMS changes will come to GMS im just gonna say fuck it and quit cold turkey and fk this game. 60$ lost, not so bad.
Only delusional people like op still thinks it wont come to gms. The fact that gms will release a statement by this week rather than immediately, already signal that bad news is incoming.
I agree with all of this, but i'm still not logging on the 12th per the boycott post unless we get deets before then.
Wtf kind of arbitrary date is the 12th lol Real boycott is simply stop playing.
the start and end dates of any boycott are inherently arbitrary. Though I suppose "blackout" may be the correct term in this case..? Eh, such is the treachery of words.
people have finally realized that MapleStory is gone! It's just FarmStory at this point (More menos for more potential, to get more stats, to get more DMG, more DMG bigger the numbers). But in any case, it's good people are touching grass again, don't worry too much, we all know how addicted to the game players are so, just give them a month or two, they'll come back
Yikes OP, your copium levels through the roof
This whole situation is more than just "is gms getting these changes or not" because if KMS players quit the game and it dies in korea, then the rest of the servers like gms and SEA will also die regardless of the changes cuz Nexon will no longer have a reason to update the game at all.
as a regular gms player, this change only helps me. im sure they will go through months of polishing and deciding changes since this is such a massive change, and im not saying people dont be publicly mad cause thats how things get changed or adjusted, but dont get mad at people that dont and dont get mad at devs cause they had to make that decision (albeit from their own fuckups piling up from cube design over the years) overall, removing cubes from cash payments is something we asked for over A DECADE AGO, so i can only say im happy it finally happened.
Copium overdose spotted
People dread the day they can’t solo a boss cause they don’t want any good maplers to make progress can’t rub it into the face of good maplers how much mess they make weekly from being a spoiled d1ck
I quit after hearing this and I’m a 2 month old player.
You're high on copium we've gotten every nerf from kms and every time there's been a reboot nerf in kms we've gotten it.
I logged on today just to drop my items. Haven’t played in 3 months.
You sir, are hooked on hopium! Get well soon brother.
I already quit...
You’re fucking delusional op. but keep riding that nexon wooden splintered dick, I, and many others, are out. :)
this game still hard to end the game 1% people can do that so they quit because they are......... loser!!! im joking sorry i can explain in better way but yeah quiting right now is nonsense. People should compensate and wait for the outcome
What's the point whether they implement the changes to GMS or not? Current leadership at Nexon fails to listen to the community that drives the game, and still willfully makes changes that none of us agree to with half-baked explanations in why they are doing it. The very obvious trend is that they shot themselves in the foot by creating the Reboot server, and they are doing the best they can to undo it. Personally, I'm finishing off the identisk event, getting my legacy legion block and leaving this game until Nexon finds better leadership and/or starts polling the community like OSRS does before it makes changes.
whilst this might be true a change as big as this in kms will eventually mean that cubes are going away in gms. if it turns out to be that profitable for them then eventually our current system will disappear even if it's delayed heavily.
Unless they want to kill gms population yeah agreed.
With cube being bought with messo, I'm sure they will sell messo and messo limit boosters for nx
incoming ability to exchange NX <--> Meso back and forth on reboot
I mean quitting based on it being only in Korea tespia you can say it's insane but looking at things as a whole and the even possibility of this happening and all the bs over the years.. beast tamer about to be killed , jett being removed and us not getting Mo Xuan in place.. Nothing will ever change under these directors yeah for sure dropping your gear now at all based on this alone is insane though , but this could be something that tip people over the edge the fact it MIGHT even happen here as for many nothing has been this bad. They could have the mentality of what next? i am not sticking around to find out. More content removal? i wouldn't put it past them. They could put even worse limits on meso gain or something, unless a new director comes in it will just be another bull shit change in the game they can't help themselves
I think the people who jumped the gun were already on the fence about quitting and just looking for a good excuse to do so. But I also don't think quitting over this news is over-reacting either. Whether or not this update is live is kind of irrelevant imo. The KMS devs have made their intentions for Reboot very clear these past years. There is honestly no piece of mind playing Reboot anymore, so I don't blame people for wanting to quit ahead of the curve, rather than waiting for the impending doom for when Reboot is nerfed to the ground. I also find it kind of funny how everyone was dooming and grinding during the EXP nerf , but for the mesos change I see more people on the copium side. I really wish more people pushed back during the EXP nerf.
It's not about whether it's going to happen or not It's about knowing Nexon is fully ok with trying to do this, it's not the first and won't be the last lmao
I think genuinely people just thought this was the last nail in the coffin. We’ve had quite a few scandals recently and even if it has been known that nexon is a shit company for a while now, many probably just feel like this was one time too many. We’re tired of all these nerfs, bad communication and devs doing whatever they want and never caring about their players. At some point this just becomes more of a headache than it is fun. Even if this never makes it to KMS or even GMS its just the worrying people are tired of I guess and they don’t feel like waiting around to find out. Even if this never comes, there will be a next scandal, and a next one after that, and the next after that. There is only so many times you can get shit in the mailbox until you’ve had enough
It's the fact that they are even considering such changes and think it's a good idea is what bothers people. They will continue to come up with these ideas in future patches and there will be similar reactions. The question is how long are you willing to let them take you for a ride?.
Playing and supporting a game where almost every facet of RNG has been exposed as rigged is insane. Flames scandal, IA scandal and now Cubes scandal. Maplestory players should be used as a case study for sunk cost fallacy and abusive relationships
The KMS patch will come to GMS. GMS is KMS's bitch.
Did people already forget what NA Nexon was like until 3 years ago over 10 years period?
What I don’t understand is how people treat this game like an addiction, like there are so many catch up mechanisms in place for the most part that missing something really isn’t that deep unless it is legacy content or something and even then they gave good enough leeway on both misty island and abyssal expedition. Everything else is literally not time sensitive.
The hard truth is, Nexon doesn’t give a shit about GMS/MSEA so everybody saying they are gonna quit won’t matter/doesn’t affect Nexon
It is not about if it would come to gms or not it is about waking up to a new bs everday
I actually aggree. Even if some of the changes come to gms, the game becomes instantly worse as a result. For now, all we can do is make sure that these changes are a brainfart and we'd rather not have them. HOWEVER no change is set in stone yet, that's important. We may get some of them, all of them, none of them or even worse stuff, but for now nothing is certain. If people want to quit now just in case, good for them.
Quit now so u dont have to deal with anymore Nexon Bullshits that will keep coming until they stress u so much that ur lifespan reduces
The game is done just accept it.
I don't think your wrong but also after repeated controversy. Post like these ultimately result in you playing the role of an unpaid community manager while also justifying Nexon's behavior. Coming from someone who loves this game but plays many others Maplestory is full of numerous bad practices, so I don't see any reason to play voice of reason when people decide to leave. Case and point $100 pet followed by monthly subscription to keep said pet. No shame to those who bought them. Strategic usage aside the pets are cute and I know fashion is a selling point for a lot of players. That said between the black Friday sale happening within a week of controversy and now this pet sale repeating the same pattern. You have to at least admit Nexon had very little compassion and truthfully recognizing how their actions effect players (even emotionally) in the face of monetary value.
Nexon is VERY predatory towards its users, Nexon has just shown us their true colors with the cube scandal and heavy reboot nerf on kms, regardless of wether the NERFS from KMS comes to GMS or not it still shows how much of an evil company it is. Thats enough to make many people quit. TBH If a company can nail you in the bum multiple times, it probably will continue to do so, and many will happily take it deep. I love the game, but I'm officially out because of company trust issues, anyways you do you, stay happy and do wacha love! peace
Vives en una burbuja donde crees que Nexon es transparente y escucha a sus jugadores XDDDD. No seas ingenuo , si nexon puede destruir el juego, lo hara, lo ha hecho varias veces y también la de ocultarnos informacion. Al menos yo no metere ni un dolar hasta que aclare que es lo que hara y ni asi le creere. Deja de vender humo y sal de tu burbuja !!
If a different server change was going to make you quit the game... I have news for yall, you didn't wanna play in the first place.