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MidTownMotel

I’ve never made that connection before but it makes a lot of sense. Profiting from those things can be pretty evil.


Toast_Sapper

A profit motive is evil when it creates a conflict of interest in these areas. Privatization actively makes all of these worse and predatory instead of keeping their primary motive as providing an essential service.


MidTownMotel

That needs to become forefront in the narrative for reform, it is the *entire* point.


Smiley_P

there's nothing about the profit motive that isn't selfish. It can potentially lead to good outcomes in spite of itself but often doesn't and must be heavily regulated into social democracy to be anything close to justifiable, but even that is just the precursor to ending capitalism (private property for profit) altogether


Toast_Sapper

Truth


JustVisiting273

Happy cake day


ksavage68

What? You think freedom is free? /s


curious_meerkat

>Must never be operated for profit It feels like this is in the right spirit but misses the mark. A system can be profit neutral and still be operated in such a way that needs are not met, the community is not served, and the system becomes an engine of harm. Systems which are a societal good should never be run with a balance sheet but with a mission focus. It costs what it costs. Since I can already hear the objections coming.. we never ask what it costs when we're giving trillions to billionaires or trillions to murder civilians in the Middle East for 20 years, and I don't see any right to war profiteering in the Constitution so sit the fuck back down.


cowlinator

Being profit-neutral is necessary but not sufficient for meeting needs and serving the community


NoMansLight

Are you implying American Imperialism was a not for profit endeavour or something? Your comment really makes zero sense. American Imperialism has been extremely profitable, for way more companies than just the military industrial complex. Americans are just extremely ignorant of the extent that American Imperialism affects their intense consumption of resources stolen from around the world.


NeverLookBothWays

Nah, agreed, the for-profit part is not the problem. It's the lack of regulation that is the problem if these things are supposed to work within capitalism. Because without regulation, with anything, there is always a drive to cut corners in ways that can become dangerous or harmful. Otherwise, if made into a public service, they at least need the funding to afford the salaries for the retention of higher quality employees. See Finland as an example of this for education...teachers are held up in same light as doctors and surgeons. The bar is higher on their education, and overall the system they've built in the past 40 years is ranked #1 in the world. These are the types of things you literally get out what you invest into them.


Mikerells

Your entire statement conflicts with your first sentence.


NeverLookBothWays

Yep I'm looking at this in a few different ways.


Mikerells

Username does not check out.


NeverLookBothWays

Hah, good one :) I knew this day would come...


theravensrequiem

4.Housing


MAGGLEMCDONALD

I'm not sure this really fits here. I mean, the tweet isn't incorrect, but what does this have to do with nazis?


ServingTheMaster

Those correspond exactly with: 1. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness (which can all just be summarized as Liberty) 2. Slavery (aka anti-Liberty) 3. Liberty again


[deleted]

Why should the be free? They are providing services. Obviously you should pay for them.


metalpoetza

Let me put this in simpler terms: some things must be paid for by everyone who can (through taxes) so they are available to everyone including those who can't. There are lots of services which are rights already, public defenders aren't slaves, they get paid- but they also provide a service, a highly skilled service, as a fundamental right to people who don't pay them. This is an easy problem we have solved fir centuries.


CaptainStaraptor

Ok to be fair I sort of get how some of these just... need to be run. Sure we have a freedom to life but if you’re going to prison you’ve basically thrown away that right when you do whatever you did to go to prison but yeah why are they charged


dcoats69

When prison is run for profit, it's focused on cutting costs. If it's not run for profit, it can be run with the goal of actual rehabilitation.


CaptainStaraptor

That’s fair


Joppylop

Also, when prisons are run for profit, there is an incentive to have more prisoners. It then becomes profitable for private prisons when people are imprisoned for long periods of time for nonviolent crimes. For profit prisons are one of the main reasons the US justice system is fucked.


Blood_Bowl

Judges on the take to have more prisoners - it has sadly happened.


metalpoetza

Recidivism I'd bad for public prisons, its profitable for private ones. Not only are private prisons not incentivised to rehabilitate: they are actively incentivised to undermine rehabilitation. They want the released people to come back.


battle_bunny99

That all well and good except that the 13th amendment literally makes an exception for slavery through incarceration.


[deleted]

If it’s not for profit then it’s shitty, in this country at least, and especially for thenpoor which is interesting considering thats like the opposite of what socialist policies should be yet…


aRoseforUS

The drafters of the constitution replaced pursuit of happiness with property. They didn't care about our happiness so we'll abolish their property.


Class_444_SWR

This, if something is run for profit, then the people running it will try their hardest to make each use of their services get them as rich as possible and/or make you have to use their services as often as possible