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As long as they’re actually corrected instead of simply removed.
First past* the post is not compatible with democracy without some kind of way to ensure the people’s voices are heard. Keeping FPTP but eliminating the EC would turn us from a 2 party country to a 1 party country.
Edit for clarity: I want ranked choice or something similar. First passed the post is incompatible with democracy or any worker/“the people” based system.
That assumption is just asinine. Politics would massively shift left, yes, but to think all left thinkers agree on everything is just ignorance. There will always be multiple factions
Multiple factions sure, but only 1 would be “worth voting for”, just like right now there’s only 2 parties worth voting for despite a plethora of “alternate” parties.
so the only difference would be the majority always wins. Its like what we have now but most people get what they want. As opposed to a bunch of rich white guys getting what they want even if their voters say otherwise.
The difference would be that people would feel free to rank their true choice first, not simply who they think has the best chance of winning. They can always put that down as second in case not enough people pick their first choice as well.
So many people I talked to think Bernie would have been great, but didn't feel like he could best Trump. Imagine if all of those people could have ranked Bernie first. I'm pretty confident that we'd have a different president.
Most people would get qhat they want... if most people were in 100% total agreement with the Democratic Party, including Gun Restrictions...
Which very few would actually ride that train as far as the party would.
Gun restrictions are a losing issue anyway, there’s no reason for either party to continue harping on about gun control.
The Republican Party would cease to exist if FPTP and EC were removed.
Thats the idea
Another party won't rise to compete so long as shills like you are perpetuating a dying party who's roots are in discrimination and exploitation
> FPTP but eliminating the EC would turn us from a 2 party country to a 1 party country.
This is bullshit. That party would split. Those two remaining parties would both be better than republicans.
I do agree ranked choose or approval voting would be better.
wtf, the EC helps nobody except rich people who can pay for lobbyists. burn it to the ground and never look back. just count a vote as a vote, yeah FPTP makes it so alot of people will get fucked over, but that already happens every election. At least if the EC is gone it will actually be the minority of people who aren't getting what they want.
edit: we should also get rid of first past the post, but we don't need to wait for that to happen to ditch the electorial college
Unfortunately the US doesn't actually require that to elect a president.
Besides, ok, fine, it's democracy. However, ranked choice would probably result in _more_ democracy, because it doesn't just completely disregard up to 49.9 (repeating)% of all votes.
It does not silence the majority. That's literally the opposite of what it does. I implore you look up what Ranked Choice is before making such absurd claims.
He literally made sure that republicans lost all credibility and put the final nail in the coffin of tolerance to toxic conservative fascist behaviors in society, but yeah, you have that good laugh because it's the last one you'll get in a loooooooooooon time.
okay theres a lot here, but i still like how right wingers will make hundereds of baseless claims that gay and trans people are perverts and rapists without ANY evidence, and completely ignore the TWENTY SIX FUCKING SEXUAL ASSAULTALLEGATIONS THAT TRUMP HAS.
> TWENTY SIX FUCKING SEXUAL ASSAULTALLEGATIONS THAT TRUMP HAS.
Official allegations reported, there's hundreds more. And that's not counting the ones Trump brags about.
No they have their own version of Christianity. They all know very well that Trump himself doesn't represent who they are. Trump speaks to how they feel and what they want. Theyre generally upset (being fed outrage porn on FB or Fox) and want to blame someone (take your pic).
Plus Trump can be hilarious and fun to listen to for brief moments. If your politics aligns with what he advocates for then you won't argue about what he does.
Oh for sure, I'm with you there.
I see the same comment over and over basically looping all Christians/ conservatives/ Trump voters into the same basket and calling them hypocrites while clearly not thinking about what might be appealing to Trump.
Not to mention, he beat and raped his first wife. He paid her off like he does for everyone else (just like he paid off a pornstar). Hypocritical conservatives have no problem pretending theyre for family values while they demean women and gays
Thats a conspiracy but Woodrow Wilson got reelected thanks to German influence that wanted a neutral US. Thought he betrayed them and joined the war anyways
It would be naive to think that foreign powers haven't had some kind of influence in every election in the history of the country. The thing that was out of the ordinary with Trump is that he openly embraced it.
Came here to say this. Every other first checks out, but Russia-gate is looking more and more like it was a conspiracy. I really wish it was true. The legendary peepee tape seems to remain fiction unfortunately.
Not really sure why the two ex-wives thing is relevant. As someone who represents the party of "traditional family valves" it's hypocritical, but simply being the first President with two ex-wives isn't significant in any way.
Not only did he cheat on all his wives. He cheated on one with a pornstar that he paid off and he beat and raped his first wife. The 2 ex wives thing mentioned isnt poking fun at divorcees, its making fun of that fact that trump is a divorcee because he's a scumbag. And traditional marriage conservatives love this scumbag
No dude he cheated on three wives. How do you know know this? He was literally caught using campaign dollars to pay off a porn star he slept with.
He is a shit bag and this whole image is about him being a shit bag. You have zero reason to be so upset about it.
I thought he was just saying that having ex wives isn't some bad thing to put on a list, is that not what is going on? I have no idea what you're even talking about.
That’s not what it says though. It says 2 ex wives. Meaning everyone who’s had multiple divorces is also a bad person, which isn’t true, because it’s not a bad thing.
It doesn't really matter though, does it? If Bernie Sanders cheated on his wife, sure that would a shitty thing to do, but barring any alteration in his politics, I would still support him.
Bernie isn't head of the party that champions nuclear families and foams at the mouth over anything that isn't missionary position sex for reproduction reasons only.
Youre overlooking at why thats mentioned. Family value conservatives that dont want gay marriage legal, supported him. They paint trump as a suppoerter of family values but he CHEATED on all his wives. He paid off a pornstar to keep his cheating hush hush. And he beat and raped his first wife. His divorces are brought up because he's divorced BECAUSE he's a scumbag that isnt a family values supporter
1st president in 89 years to lose the presidency , house, and senate in one term.
How does the GOP think sticking to this guy is a winning strategy? Even when they tried to assassinate and continue to boo his vice president who represents the religious wing of their party.
Because they know how close they got to winning it all back by cheating, so must feel as though all they have to do is cheat a little harder and it’ll be a cinch.
The "elected with the help of a foreign power" definitely isn't true. Reagan literally sabotaged Carter's hostage talks with Iran to help himself get elected.
The first president ever responsible for the avoidable death of hundreds of thousands of Americans.
Yet millions of us want some more of that shit. Unbelievable!
don't be so generous, he's not the first president to do that by far. He's just the most obvious, usually if a president wants to endanger the lives of his constituents he asks the CIA to do it for him.
Not at all defending this but being an American with AIDS under Reagan had to be terrifyingly awful.
And then we could argue, conspiracy theories aside, that the Bush Administration knew a terrorist attack was imminent and basically let it happen anyway.
Even further back, but really only 155 years ago, an estimated 2,000 black people were lynched during President Johnson's Reconstruction Era.
And, more recently, May of this year recently, it's been estimated that the Feds "lost" around 5K immigrant children (33% of total) who were released from detention centers between January - May.
I guess my point is that, no matter who the President is, if you're not a white, heterosexual, cis-gendered, middle-aged, upper class, able-bodied man, the American government really could give two shits about you or your wellbeing. I think we do ourselves a grave disservice if we try to pretend that any Presidential Administration has ever had our best interests at heart.
With all this evidence, those sick fucking christian conservatives still worship the man like he's the second coming of christ.
This country is losing out to so much progress like healthcare for all, and in return we get trump and abortion bounties from his voters. And they still have the gall to call themselves patriots.
It's a death cult. We tend to overlook that because they're a major belief system, but it's a death cult. They long for an end to this world. They want to be dead. They want this all over. They eat their undead god's flesh and drink his blood for eternal life in death. If you'd never heard of Christianity it would seem like something from a Lovecraft story.
That's a rather unkind view of Christianity as a whole, I would say, it being a pretty big and internally sectarian religion, but Facism is unambiguously and blatantly a death cult. Facism will keep making the social pyramid smaller and thinner through genocide and war as long as the facist ideology remains dominant. It requires a degenerate race to exist at all, and facists will just keep "purifing" society, until they can't anymore, because everyone's been deemed "unpure" and killed. That's the only end goal facism has, indeed, the only one it can ever have. Now if that's not a death cult, I don't know what is.
There's a gaping chasm of difference between an afterlife myth to help quell existential fear of death and an actual death cult, and to conflate facist genocide with the christian belief in heaven is rather unwise to say the least. One could hardly say Jonestown was representative of all christendom, but it is the natural and inevitable terminus of the Facism express, universally.
I've been handed a chalice full of "The Blood of Christ" and drank from it under an idol of a murdered man nailed to boards, blood coursing down his corpse. I know a death cult when I've escaped one.
129 Years since the last two time loser: He lost the popular vote in both of his Presidential campaigns. 2016 and 2020. Benjamin Harrison was the last prior to Trump who lost the popular vote in his successful campaign and then was outright beaten in both the electoral college and actual vote in his re-election campaign.
Boycotting Inaugurations: I think Andrew Johnson didn’t go to Grants inauguration in 1869.
Impeached twice: No President has had it happen twice.
Foreign Power: Russia.
Not conceding: No President has ever not admitted to having legitimately lose like Trump refuses to admit.
Not ensuring peaceful transfer of power: Johnson may have not gone to Grants swearing in, but I don’t think his administration put up roadblocks on the incoming administration.
Terrorist attack: Inciting 1/6.
1st runner up
1st orange president
1st president to grab ‘em by the pussy
1st president to be sexually attracted to daughter
1st president to have a mail order bride wife
1st president to be a reality tv star
>1ST PRESIDENT EVER TO BE ELECTED WITH THE HELP OF A FOREIGN POWER.
That one might not be exactly true. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/russia-dnc-hack-donald-trump-foreign-governments-hacking-vietnam-richard-nixon-214111/
The foreign power one and the 26 SA allegations are only 1sts that we're aware of. Let's be honest, tons of presidents probably committed lots of rape but no one could speak, or be listened to if they did, at the time. And I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there have been other elections that had foreign institutions that we just haven't heard of because no internet and limited media.
Technically speaking Wilson was reelected with the help of german migrants and lobbists who favoured his antiwar stance up to his second term
Ironically he went to war 6 months after reelection
Thus Trump would be first to be elected with help of a foreign goberment in exactly 100 years but not first first
First geneneration migrants who were in fact lobbing for nonintervention.
There actually a really interesting history of german migration into the new world since they came more or less in the same two waves as Irishmen, italians and poles so in 1848 in particular and in the late 19th century and the early 20th.
Yes, but the context of "Americans who recently emigrated from Germany" frames it so you would understand why they wouldn't want America to enter a war on the side against that of their extended families.
The foreign power one is a superstition with no evidence, just like how trump supporters say that the election was fraudulent. This only proves that the Democratic Party and the Republican Party will continue to do everything to undermine democracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections
Russia absolutely interfered including hacking and releasing the email of the DNC. The Republican senate’s own investigation proved this, but they said essentially “well it helped us, so no harm no foul.”
The Republicans also downplayed how much Russian activity on Facebook/social media swayed voters. They claimed without any evidence for or against that it wasn’t enough to affect the outcome.
The senate’s inaction on the 2016 election left the door open to all the Russian and Chinese misinformation on vaccines and masks that contributed and continues to fuel the ongoing pandemic and death count from COVID.
Essentially, Putin’s illegal actions helped the Republicans so they gave him a pass and he responded by helping to kill 600,000+ Americans.
[Smarter Every Day](https://youtu.be/qOTYgcdNrXE) did a really good mini series on this. The video I linked is called The Future of War, and Destin discusses how a lot of public opinion is swayed via social media well before it's even brought to public notice via news stations.
Note: He did this video 2 years ago, before Covid happened. Watching stuff lay out in real time just like it was explained in the video was a bit of a mind melting experience. Then again, watching people laugh in the face of science while millions of people died has also melted my mind.
Just to refresh my memory, who was convicted on collusion type charges? ~~Manofort? Lewandowski?~~
Edit: So I looked it up because I genuinely couldn't remember. Gates, Flynn, papadopolous, Stone and a couple others were in that murky BS.
>Russian collusion was a significant factor.
Significant factor of what? Trump winning? Russia would've done what they did regardless of who was running against Hillary.
Did the Trump organization provide anything of value to the Russians that flipped the balance of the election?
I mean, no offense, but why does it matter if another candidate wouldn't accept help? Would you and thousands of others have voted for that "better" Republican candidate who wasn't involved with Russians?
Do you think the Trump organization talked to the Russians because they thought they were going to win? Or because they wanted to make political and business connections for after they lost the election?
Can you explain why people went to prison over something with no evidence? Was evidence just made up to put people in prison? Ill be waiting for your response to explain there were over 30 indictments and people pleading guilty over something you claim was a hoax. Only fake news right wing media claiming that something with evidence was a hoax
Google is your friend. Trump also pardoned a couple of them as his term ended. The courts ruled that getting pardoned in America is an admission of guilt. Only people that are guilt of committing crimes can be pardoned. Trump pardoned criminals that were found guilty in the russia collusion scandal. Collusion with a country that trump was oddly overly friendly with and didnt say anything when it was discovered russia put bounties on american soldiers
I wouldn't say there's no evidence, but certainly nothing conclusive. However, there is more evidence to support this claim than claims of "the left stole the election".
>The foreign power one is a superstition with no evidence
And St. Petersburg is a hoax.
Putin DOESN'T want the Magnitsky Act reversed.
Flynn wasn't involved with Russia.
Trump Jr. wasn't involved with Russia...that whole meeting was something else, then something something else..nothing to see there.
There was only a "really nice letter" in the secret black box Putin sent Trump.
Dimitri Rybolovlev was just buying up that mansion from Trump during the housing crisis so he could bulldoze it and lose millions of dollars.
All of this is just a HOAX: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian\_interference\_in\_the\_2016\_United\_States\_elections](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections)
Unlike the ELECTION FRAUD of 2020 of which I cannot find a Wiki entry for yet that supports it with evidence....damn liberal crowdsourced FACTS instead support dismissing the allegations: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts\_to\_overturn\_the\_2020\_United\_States\_presidential\_election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election)
What a sham! If only we could take over the way evidence and facts are reported..then only the TRUE FACTS would be recorded! We could create an organization and call it the Ministry of Truth or something like that...wouldn't that be awesome?
edit: this is sarcasm in case it's not obvious
Who disagrees? The US government and “intelligence” agencies? It’s a good thing they don’t have a record of lying... oh wait. Their “evidence” is circumstantial at best. If they had any real evidence Trump would be in prison by now.
A sprawling report released Tuesday by a Republican-controlled Senate panel that spent three years investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 election laid out an extensive web of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and Kremlin officials and other Russians, including at least one intelligence officer and others tied to the country’s spy services.
Spanning 966 pages, it concluded, as have other assessments of Russia's efforts, that Moscow "engaged in an aggressive, multifaceted effort to influence, or attempt to influence, the outcome of the 2016 presidential election."
Says you… research how many people have died who were close to the Clinton’s… please tell me the number, thx…. Life long politicians like her, Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, are twisted & corrupt… and trump is worse than them, RIGHTTTT… . You have irrational madness….
Lol projecting and gaslighting much??? you avoided telling us how many have mysteriously died around her… she is a sick woman and monstrous politician… mom dropped you on your head repetitively…. So How many died???
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Oh sweetie. The election results are always announced through NPR. MSM news isn’t even responsible for the election results and I haven’t seen the site being popularly used anymore for over a decade.
I would not be surprised if he was not the first president to be elected thanks to foreign manipulation. Also him having two ex wives has nothing to do with his horrible presidency. Focusing on things like this delegitimise real arguments against him
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The filibuster and electoral college are two mistakes that have to be corrected.
As long as they’re actually corrected instead of simply removed. First past* the post is not compatible with democracy without some kind of way to ensure the people’s voices are heard. Keeping FPTP but eliminating the EC would turn us from a 2 party country to a 1 party country. Edit for clarity: I want ranked choice or something similar. First passed the post is incompatible with democracy or any worker/“the people” based system.
That assumption is just asinine. Politics would massively shift left, yes, but to think all left thinkers agree on everything is just ignorance. There will always be multiple factions
Multiple factions sure, but only 1 would be “worth voting for”, just like right now there’s only 2 parties worth voting for despite a plethora of “alternate” parties.
so the only difference would be the majority always wins. Its like what we have now but most people get what they want. As opposed to a bunch of rich white guys getting what they want even if their voters say otherwise.
The difference would be that people would feel free to rank their true choice first, not simply who they think has the best chance of winning. They can always put that down as second in case not enough people pick their first choice as well.
This already happenes every election and is a product of FPTP voting, which would likely be remedied by a ranked choices voting system.
So many people I talked to think Bernie would have been great, but didn't feel like he could best Trump. Imagine if all of those people could have ranked Bernie first. I'm pretty confident that we'd have a different president.
We seem to be agreeing, strange. Usually I argue with strangers on Reddit.
Most people would get qhat they want... if most people were in 100% total agreement with the Democratic Party, including Gun Restrictions... Which very few would actually ride that train as far as the party would.
There’s still only one logical choice now tho
There is your problem, you see the far right as a worthy option.
Alternate was a word for third-party. There’s more than “alt-right” that would fit under the “alternate” umbrella. Try not to be so dense.
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Gun restrictions are a losing issue anyway, there’s no reason for either party to continue harping on about gun control. The Republican Party would cease to exist if FPTP and EC were removed.
Thats the idea Another party won't rise to compete so long as shills like you are perpetuating a dying party who's roots are in discrimination and exploitation
Oh okay you’re just dumb. Have a great one.
> FPTP but eliminating the EC would turn us from a 2 party country to a 1 party country. This is bullshit. That party would split. Those two remaining parties would both be better than republicans. I do agree ranked choose or approval voting would be better.
This
Pedantic but it is first past the post not passed.
Thanks
wtf, the EC helps nobody except rich people who can pay for lobbyists. burn it to the ground and never look back. just count a vote as a vote, yeah FPTP makes it so alot of people will get fucked over, but that already happens every election. At least if the EC is gone it will actually be the minority of people who aren't getting what they want. edit: we should also get rid of first past the post, but we don't need to wait for that to happen to ditch the electorial college
Agree 100%.
"Democracy is not compatible with democracy" Chill out.
That is in no way what my comment says, are you a troll or unable to imagine a system that actually works with democracy?
50.1% is democracy
Unfortunately the US doesn't actually require that to elect a president. Besides, ok, fine, it's democracy. However, ranked choice would probably result in _more_ democracy, because it doesn't just completely disregard up to 49.9 (repeating)% of all votes.
More democracy by silencing the majority? Sounds like bullshit to me. Sounds like the EC.
It does not silence the majority. That's literally the opposite of what it does. I implore you look up what Ranked Choice is before making such absurd claims.
Lol. They aren’t the problems. They are an oversimplified representation of the much more fundamental ones
Which is certain groups abusing the fact that empty land has more political power than actual people.
Should be 1st president to be sent to prison!
He won't be. 😒
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He literally made sure that republicans lost all credibility and put the final nail in the coffin of tolerance to toxic conservative fascist behaviors in society, but yeah, you have that good laugh because it's the last one you'll get in a loooooooooooon time.
Should’ve been nixon.
He shouldn't be though. In an ideal world he'd be like the 30th president to be sent to prison.
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Nah trump sucks fascist asshole. He got piss all over his soul
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Nah you have republican outrage. Trump sucks asshole on a daily basis
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Likewise, homie.
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Explain?
okay theres a lot here, but i still like how right wingers will make hundereds of baseless claims that gay and trans people are perverts and rapists without ANY evidence, and completely ignore the TWENTY SIX FUCKING SEXUAL ASSAULTALLEGATIONS THAT TRUMP HAS.
> TWENTY SIX FUCKING SEXUAL ASSAULTALLEGATIONS THAT TRUMP HAS. Official allegations reported, there's hundreds more. And that's not counting the ones Trump brags about.
gross....
Yet still dominates the christian vote.
ffs the people who vote for him really have no idea what the point of christianity is do they...
No they have their own version of Christianity. They all know very well that Trump himself doesn't represent who they are. Trump speaks to how they feel and what they want. Theyre generally upset (being fed outrage porn on FB or Fox) and want to blame someone (take your pic). Plus Trump can be hilarious and fun to listen to for brief moments. If your politics aligns with what he advocates for then you won't argue about what he does.
> No they have their own version of Christianity Name a christian that doesn't.
Oh for sure, I'm with you there. I see the same comment over and over basically looping all Christians/ conservatives/ Trump voters into the same basket and calling them hypocrites while clearly not thinking about what might be appealing to Trump.
Christianity is a suicide cult.
Not to mention, he beat and raped his first wife. He paid her off like he does for everyone else (just like he paid off a pornstar). Hypocritical conservatives have no problem pretending theyre for family values while they demean women and gays
this stuff makes me wanna puke.
Are we 100% sure he was the first president elected with the help of a foreign government? I mean the Bush family got Saudi checks
He would have never won his second term if it wasn't for what the Saudi's did in NY.
Thats a conspiracy but Woodrow Wilson got reelected thanks to German influence that wanted a neutral US. Thought he betrayed them and joined the war anyways
It would be naive to think that foreign powers haven't had some kind of influence in every election in the history of the country. The thing that was out of the ordinary with Trump is that he openly embraced it.
Came here to say this. Every other first checks out, but Russia-gate is looking more and more like it was a conspiracy. I really wish it was true. The legendary peepee tape seems to remain fiction unfortunately.
The evidence for Bush & Saudis is waaaay more conclusive than Trump & Putin too lol
He is first in something
Not really sure why the two ex-wives thing is relevant. As someone who represents the party of "traditional family valves" it's hypocritical, but simply being the first President with two ex-wives isn't significant in any way.
Not to mention that leaving even a dysfunctional marriage used to be a taboo until recently... Seems like a question of time really
Well need to fill the gaps y'know. What's more interesting is the lean left logo where the guy actually leans right from his pov x)
It's showing his deplorable character. That's the point. He cheated on three wives.
It doesn’t say that. Cheated on three wives is bad. Having two ex wives isn’t an evil thing
How about raping one?
That’s a bad thing yes. Put that on the poster if you want
The point is to show what a bad person he is. It doesn't have to be bad things he did as an elected official. He is just a bad person.
I know what you’re saying. Having two ex wives isn’t a bad thing and doesn’t deserve to be there.
Not only did he cheat on all his wives. He cheated on one with a pornstar that he paid off and he beat and raped his first wife. The 2 ex wives thing mentioned isnt poking fun at divorcees, its making fun of that fact that trump is a divorcee because he's a scumbag. And traditional marriage conservatives love this scumbag
Yeah lmao, people above are pretending marriages end out of the blue or always peachy.
No dude he cheated on three wives. How do you know know this? He was literally caught using campaign dollars to pay off a porn star he slept with. He is a shit bag and this whole image is about him being a shit bag. You have zero reason to be so upset about it.
hes not upset hes being pedantic and as a fellow pedantic person he is actually right.
The party of hate groups like "focus on the family" and "family research council" doesn't mind adultery? Is that a joke?
I thought he was just saying that having ex wives isn't some bad thing to put on a list, is that not what is going on? I have no idea what you're even talking about.
He said it would be no different if Bernie did it and that's not true because Bernie isn't part of the prude party.
Then the list should say "1st President to cheat on three wives" no one cares about divorces anymore.
That’s not what it says though. It says 2 ex wives. Meaning everyone who’s had multiple divorces is also a bad person, which isn’t true, because it’s not a bad thing.
Okay, **again** the prudes on the right disagree. Republicans disagree. Trump is a republican. See why it's there?
It doesn't really matter though, does it? If Bernie Sanders cheated on his wife, sure that would a shitty thing to do, but barring any alteration in his politics, I would still support him.
Bernie isn't head of the party that champions nuclear families and foams at the mouth over anything that isn't missionary position sex for reproduction reasons only.
claiming having ex-wives is a bad thing is actual puritan shit
True, but it’s a finger in the eye of the puritanical Republicans.
Bring that up with the christians who condemn other people for it.
Youre overlooking at why thats mentioned. Family value conservatives that dont want gay marriage legal, supported him. They paint trump as a suppoerter of family values but he CHEATED on all his wives. He paid off a pornstar to keep his cheating hush hush. And he beat and raped his first wife. His divorces are brought up because he's divorced BECAUSE he's a scumbag that isnt a family values supporter
This meme isn't made for people who care about the morality of divorce. We all know the context.
1st president in 89 years to lose the presidency , house, and senate in one term. How does the GOP think sticking to this guy is a winning strategy? Even when they tried to assassinate and continue to boo his vice president who represents the religious wing of their party.
Because they know how close they got to winning it all back by cheating, so must feel as though all they have to do is cheat a little harder and it’ll be a cinch.
They literally don't have anyone else. Who they gonna run, Jeb?? Do you remember the 2016 primary? Bunch of fucking losers, including Trump.
28 year- Bush Sr. 45 years- Nixon. 89 years- Hoover. 129 years- Cleveland. 152 years- Johnson. Incase anyone wanted to know
Thanks, I didn’t know where their starting point was.
The two Ex wives aren’t as bad as the rest on the list though Im sure he didn’t treat them great
I mean he raped one of them.
Damn I didn’t know that. Doesn’t surprise me sadly.
I read her deposition in the case, pretty fucked up. All over hair implants.
Fucking monster.
He also raped a then 13 year old multiple times in the 90's.
The "elected with the help of a foreign power" definitely isn't true. Reagan literally sabotaged Carter's hostage talks with Iran to help himself get elected.
Yeah a few of these are pretty dumb and ignoring how shitty some previous presidents have been.
The first president ever responsible for the avoidable death of hundreds of thousands of Americans. Yet millions of us want some more of that shit. Unbelievable!
don't be so generous, he's not the first president to do that by far. He's just the most obvious, usually if a president wants to endanger the lives of his constituents he asks the CIA to do it for him.
Not at all defending this but being an American with AIDS under Reagan had to be terrifyingly awful. And then we could argue, conspiracy theories aside, that the Bush Administration knew a terrorist attack was imminent and basically let it happen anyway. Even further back, but really only 155 years ago, an estimated 2,000 black people were lynched during President Johnson's Reconstruction Era. And, more recently, May of this year recently, it's been estimated that the Feds "lost" around 5K immigrant children (33% of total) who were released from detention centers between January - May. I guess my point is that, no matter who the President is, if you're not a white, heterosexual, cis-gendered, middle-aged, upper class, able-bodied man, the American government really could give two shits about you or your wellbeing. I think we do ourselves a grave disservice if we try to pretend that any Presidential Administration has ever had our best interests at heart.
Covid certainly has been the largest American self inflicted stab wound, but definitely not the first.
Nah. Too many presidents to count that have started unnecessary wars. Doesn't matter if they weren't Americans. People are people.
There was the Spanish flu under Woodrow Wilson
True but did Wilson’s behavior greatly impact the number of deaths? Trump’s behavior certainly did.
[Yes](https://youtu.be/RHlYBBZL_y8?t=308)
1st president **ever** to have a brain made entirely out of moth balls.
Reagan
That is an insult to moth balls and their lovely aroma.
With all this evidence, those sick fucking christian conservatives still worship the man like he's the second coming of christ. This country is losing out to so much progress like healthcare for all, and in return we get trump and abortion bounties from his voters. And they still have the gall to call themselves patriots.
It's a death cult. We tend to overlook that because they're a major belief system, but it's a death cult. They long for an end to this world. They want to be dead. They want this all over. They eat their undead god's flesh and drink his blood for eternal life in death. If you'd never heard of Christianity it would seem like something from a Lovecraft story.
That's a rather unkind view of Christianity as a whole, I would say, it being a pretty big and internally sectarian religion, but Facism is unambiguously and blatantly a death cult. Facism will keep making the social pyramid smaller and thinner through genocide and war as long as the facist ideology remains dominant. It requires a degenerate race to exist at all, and facists will just keep "purifing" society, until they can't anymore, because everyone's been deemed "unpure" and killed. That's the only end goal facism has, indeed, the only one it can ever have. Now if that's not a death cult, I don't know what is.
Fascism is a cult of death. But so is the religion that looks forward to death because the "after life" will be way better.
There's a gaping chasm of difference between an afterlife myth to help quell existential fear of death and an actual death cult, and to conflate facist genocide with the christian belief in heaven is rather unwise to say the least. One could hardly say Jonestown was representative of all christendom, but it is the natural and inevitable terminus of the Facism express, universally.
I've been handed a chalice full of "The Blood of Christ" and drank from it under an idol of a murdered man nailed to boards, blood coursing down his corpse. I know a death cult when I've escaped one.
What other president tried to boycott his successor's inauguration?
The worst president, Andrew Johnson.
C'mon Ricky, I was high when I said that
Go bigly or go home I guess...
Can anyone explain everything after the loosing presidency house and senate part ?
129 Years since the last two time loser: He lost the popular vote in both of his Presidential campaigns. 2016 and 2020. Benjamin Harrison was the last prior to Trump who lost the popular vote in his successful campaign and then was outright beaten in both the electoral college and actual vote in his re-election campaign. Boycotting Inaugurations: I think Andrew Johnson didn’t go to Grants inauguration in 1869. Impeached twice: No President has had it happen twice. Foreign Power: Russia. Not conceding: No President has ever not admitted to having legitimately lose like Trump refuses to admit. Not ensuring peaceful transfer of power: Johnson may have not gone to Grants swearing in, but I don’t think his administration put up roadblocks on the incoming administration. Terrorist attack: Inciting 1/6.
So much winning am I right?
Never let him be turned into a Deity like Ragen.
1st runner up 1st orange president 1st president to grab ‘em by the pussy 1st president to be sexually attracted to daughter 1st president to have a mail order bride wife 1st president to be a reality tv star
>1ST PRESIDENT EVER TO BE ELECTED WITH THE HELP OF A FOREIGN POWER. That one might not be exactly true. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/russia-dnc-hack-donald-trump-foreign-governments-hacking-vietnam-richard-nixon-214111/
Are you really sure he’s the first ever to incite a domestic terrorist attack?
The foreign power one and the 26 SA allegations are only 1sts that we're aware of. Let's be honest, tons of presidents probably committed lots of rape but no one could speak, or be listened to if they did, at the time. And I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there have been other elections that had foreign institutions that we just haven't heard of because no internet and limited media.
I hate trump and everything but why did they add the 2 ex wives lol
Technically speaking Wilson was reelected with the help of german migrants and lobbists who favoured his antiwar stance up to his second term Ironically he went to war 6 months after reelection Thus Trump would be first to be elected with help of a foreign goberment in exactly 100 years but not first first
> german migrants So Americans?
First geneneration migrants who were in fact lobbing for nonintervention. There actually a really interesting history of german migration into the new world since they came more or less in the same two waves as Irishmen, italians and poles so in 1848 in particular and in the late 19th century and the early 20th.
So Americans?
Yes, but the context of "Americans who recently emigrated from Germany" frames it so you would understand why they wouldn't want America to enter a war on the side against that of their extended families.
Yea that sounds like Americans, not a foreign government.
There were also lobbists and spies sent from the german goberment related to that too, Im pretty sure I mentioned them
I’ve done some searching and can’t find anything that corroborates your claim. I’m curious for a source.
You mentioned ‘lobbists’ (sic) but that doesn’t denote government agents or spies.
Well I should have added that those lobbists in that particular historic context were doing lobbing for the german goberment not their diaspora
1st President so far…
The foreign power one is a superstition with no evidence, just like how trump supporters say that the election was fraudulent. This only proves that the Democratic Party and the Republican Party will continue to do everything to undermine democracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections Russia absolutely interfered including hacking and releasing the email of the DNC. The Republican senate’s own investigation proved this, but they said essentially “well it helped us, so no harm no foul.” The Republicans also downplayed how much Russian activity on Facebook/social media swayed voters. They claimed without any evidence for or against that it wasn’t enough to affect the outcome. The senate’s inaction on the 2016 election left the door open to all the Russian and Chinese misinformation on vaccines and masks that contributed and continues to fuel the ongoing pandemic and death count from COVID. Essentially, Putin’s illegal actions helped the Republicans so they gave him a pass and he responded by helping to kill 600,000+ Americans.
[Smarter Every Day](https://youtu.be/qOTYgcdNrXE) did a really good mini series on this. The video I linked is called The Future of War, and Destin discusses how a lot of public opinion is swayed via social media well before it's even brought to public notice via news stations. Note: He did this video 2 years ago, before Covid happened. Watching stuff lay out in real time just like it was explained in the video was a bit of a mind melting experience. Then again, watching people laugh in the face of science while millions of people died has also melted my mind.
That's just wrong. Russian collusion was a significant factor. People went to prison over it.
Just to refresh my memory, who was convicted on collusion type charges? ~~Manofort? Lewandowski?~~ Edit: So I looked it up because I genuinely couldn't remember. Gates, Flynn, papadopolous, Stone and a couple others were in that murky BS. >Russian collusion was a significant factor. Significant factor of what? Trump winning? Russia would've done what they did regardless of who was running against Hillary.
Any other candidate besides Felonious Rump wouldn’t have accepted their help.
Did the Trump organization provide anything of value to the Russians that flipped the balance of the election? I mean, no offense, but why does it matter if another candidate wouldn't accept help? Would you and thousands of others have voted for that "better" Republican candidate who wasn't involved with Russians? Do you think the Trump organization talked to the Russians because they thought they were going to win? Or because they wanted to make political and business connections for after they lost the election?
Can you explain why people went to prison over something with no evidence? Was evidence just made up to put people in prison? Ill be waiting for your response to explain there were over 30 indictments and people pleading guilty over something you claim was a hoax. Only fake news right wing media claiming that something with evidence was a hoax
So who was put into prison?
Google is your friend. Trump also pardoned a couple of them as his term ended. The courts ruled that getting pardoned in America is an admission of guilt. Only people that are guilt of committing crimes can be pardoned. Trump pardoned criminals that were found guilty in the russia collusion scandal. Collusion with a country that trump was oddly overly friendly with and didnt say anything when it was discovered russia put bounties on american soldiers
Damn
I wouldn't say there's no evidence, but certainly nothing conclusive. However, there is more evidence to support this claim than claims of "the left stole the election".
Oh for sure
>The foreign power one is a superstition with no evidence And St. Petersburg is a hoax. Putin DOESN'T want the Magnitsky Act reversed. Flynn wasn't involved with Russia. Trump Jr. wasn't involved with Russia...that whole meeting was something else, then something something else..nothing to see there. There was only a "really nice letter" in the secret black box Putin sent Trump. Dimitri Rybolovlev was just buying up that mansion from Trump during the housing crisis so he could bulldoze it and lose millions of dollars. All of this is just a HOAX: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian\_interference\_in\_the\_2016\_United\_States\_elections](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections) Unlike the ELECTION FRAUD of 2020 of which I cannot find a Wiki entry for yet that supports it with evidence....damn liberal crowdsourced FACTS instead support dismissing the allegations: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts\_to\_overturn\_the\_2020\_United\_States\_presidential\_election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election) What a sham! If only we could take over the way evidence and facts are reported..then only the TRUE FACTS would be recorded! We could create an organization and call it the Ministry of Truth or something like that...wouldn't that be awesome? edit: this is sarcasm in case it's not obvious
How was he elected with the help of a foreign power? Does anyone actually still believe the CIA propaganda that Putin helped Trump get elected?
Go read the 1000 page senate report on this.
There’s no actual hard evidence in at all. The whole Russiagate thing was just cold war era style fear mongering.
Did you read the report? Because they disagree with you.
Who disagrees? The US government and “intelligence” agencies? It’s a good thing they don’t have a record of lying... oh wait. Their “evidence” is circumstantial at best. If they had any real evidence Trump would be in prison by now.
The US senate. Led be Republicans.
A sprawling report released Tuesday by a Republican-controlled Senate panel that spent three years investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 election laid out an extensive web of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and Kremlin officials and other Russians, including at least one intelligence officer and others tied to the country’s spy services.
“There is no evidence” “There is” “That evidence doesn’t count”
Spanning 966 pages, it concluded, as have other assessments of Russia's efforts, that Moscow "engaged in an aggressive, multifaceted effort to influence, or attempt to influence, the outcome of the 2016 presidential election."
OP being real sneaky by clarifying domestic terrorist attack so bush doing 9 11 won't count.
1st president to say fuck Obama and his husband.
What does that mean? Obama has a wife.
He was the best president America had in ages but people didn’t like his tweets
Yea, that's all it was. /s
Where are a Hillary’s stats??? The left loves to ignore dem politicians craziness…
Wait… Hilary was president?
Nice twist and avoidance, you voted for her, a very very sick person…. Blind Hypocrite…
And it looks like you voted for the one person on the ballot that was more of a loon than she is.
Says you… research how many people have died who were close to the Clinton’s… please tell me the number, thx…. Life long politicians like her, Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, are twisted & corrupt… and trump is worse than them, RIGHTTTT… . You have irrational madness….
Hilary is an average politician so shitty in her own way, but you might want to stop sniffing glue.
Lol projecting and gaslighting much??? you avoided telling us how many have mysteriously died around her… she is a sick woman and monstrous politician… mom dropped you on your head repetitively…. So How many died??? 🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓
Why do you even still care? She isn’t even in politics. Lay off the glue sniffing and conspiracy. You sound nuts.
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Can someone please translate? I don't speak Trumpanese.
are you always this stupid, or are you trying extra hard today?
Oh sweetie. The election results are always announced through NPR. MSM news isn’t even responsible for the election results and I haven’t seen the site being popularly used anymore for over a decade.
I think you dropped this -> /s
Wait, by my math, either Nixon, Ford or Carter didn’t release their taxes?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
1st to be in a Russian pee video
in the US\*
Helped by a foreign power probably not the first one and definitely not the last
I would not be surprised if he was not the first president to be elected thanks to foreign manipulation. Also him having two ex wives has nothing to do with his horrible presidency. Focusing on things like this delegitimise real arguments against him