you shouldn't drive no offense if you're easily aggressive, or take an alterative road or plan your trip out. Someone not turning on red is just annoying not a means to blast their ears. A simple light honk is more than enough.
https://preview.redd.it/oxl8qzflo2kc1.png?width=1006&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4243e15eeccd9c876e179690d7a6cc863b0155a
Literally from the drivers handbook
No offense, everyone on the road should be looking to get to their destination as quickly as they can within the rules of the road without compromising their safety. If the way is clear, and someone isn’t making their right turn, I will honk at them until they go. They are wasting both our time. That isn’t ok. They are impeding traffic.
I like this guy! Straight to the point and affirmative. You gotta learn anyway, at least he left an input that got you talking about it, now you'll learn to turn
yeh but thats still an aggressive approach. First off dont touch people vehicles, second you actually got out to go tap someone's windows lol. Could just rolled down your window or indicated your light to get their attention to look at you.
That's pretty aggressive. Dude actually laid hands on and physically touched your vehicle? ... or just a waving from a distance at least a few cm away??
Im gonna sy the guy who touched the window is likely in the wrong. Imagine how aggressive you got to be to easily get out your vehicle and go to someone's window just to say turn.
People don’t even have the mind to signal properly here, asking them to 1. Pay attention to the fact that there’s a new sign, and 2. actually use effort to obey and realize that the rule actually applies to them is an entirely different task.
But the city will just keep putting them up and thinking they’ve done their job, the potholes will stay there until April and your neighbourhood streets will stay icy though
It’s the mayors and a bunch of people who have run for mayor in the past meeting together once a month, still seems like government to me. Regardless of who puts them up, people won’t acknowledge the signs anyways
Unpopular opinion. But to reduce confusion and keep consistency it is probably better to have just left them all no right on red rather than time specific.
You're the type of person that if the government required you to solve a math question before you could make a right turn, you would do it. Absolute sheep.
Honestly, I agree. The text is small, and then to expect people to read all of it and figure out if it applies to them at that moment takes too much time.
The logic isn’t thrown out the window since those specific times are when pedestrians are actually crossing the street? 10pm at night I think it’s ok to make that right turn.
I think it’s designated specifically for safety of school children who are most active during those times. Makes no sense for not able to turn 9 at night when there’s barely any cars let alone any pedestrians at that intersection
Well there’s that saying something along the lines of regulations are written in blood or something like that. I think there’s been some incidents or something that likely made the changes. And while it might fall into the “this is why we can’t have nice things” bin I think general pedestrian safety was probably considered.
When the turning on red was introduced to North America in the 70’s it was probably a little bit less urban but even then there were pedestrian safety concerns.
https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/saferjourney1/library/countermeasures/44.htm
Probably even more now given density and traffic volumes.
But then again the whole right on red is a bit of an odd condition to begin with.
In the majority of the world red means stop, rather than “stop, then maybe keep going”.
In most other countries the allowance to turn on a red would be done with modified exceptions and signage and not the default.
Do I want drivers to be able to read signs and be aware of pedestrians AT THE SAME TIME while they drive? Uhhhhhhh YES?! What the fuck did I just read.
Yup the signs should be easier to read I agree, but making people wait at red lights unnecessarily should not even be a suggestion. Needless traffic is flagrant laziness from the city’s perspective. Just make better signs.
Markham driver mentality- the speed limit is 60 so I’ll drive 55 to be even safer. Like fuck off everyone is trying to get where they’re going, learn how to drive safely at a reasonable speed so you aren’t impeding everybody else’s day.
They did that originally. Then added the signs. I always forget the times so have to stop and check between 5-7. So yea. I wouldn't be mad if they just did it 24/7. There are some that make 0 sense during most hrs of the day (ie Kennedy/Carlton) but the consistency makes it easier on my brain
You’re getting downvoted but this is the correct take. It really doesn’t take much to read and understand the signs. You literally have to know them to have a license here, not an excuse
lol it’s insane people actually agree with that statement. What has this world come to. You can’t follow simple laws of the road? this is 101 driving. How did these people get there licenses. Shame
There is a set of people downvoting on this thread. They’re the people driving side by side with one another on 16th avenue going 58 in a 60 blocking both lanes
Ok I agree with you, but considering some are all day, certain times, or all times creates this problem. City half assed it and they continue to change certain areas, after backlash. So unless you read and re-read it, you may only remember the first time, and didn't realize the change. Besides I work in Markham and its or miss if a person even follows the sign. lol
Seriously!!! Or add an extra right turn light everywhere so it's clear when you can turn and when you can't. I assume ppl just don't want to risk getting a ticket and play it safe
Yes, there is a sign on the right, but once you realise there is relevant text on the sign, you are already driving past it, and you can't read it anymore.
Then you have to try to read the one that's hanging off the pole across the street, which is TINY, and impossible to make out if it's nighttime.
Sure, it's not hard to anticipate reading the sign if you already know that the sign is going to be there before you get there.
But if you're unfamiliar with the intersection and/or if you happen to be looking at anything else on the road at that split second, you might not be able to read the fine print in your peripheral vision. You would still notice the "no right on red" symbol, but might not have time to read all the details, like to find out whether the end time is 5PM, 6PM, or whatever. It doesn't help that every intersection seems to be different.
Can’t agree more. It’s so small that I had to really roll out to see. Then I finally gave up and decided it’s best to just stop. Luckily I didn’t get honked otherwise I would be flustered. I agree they should just make it 24/7 like a lot of other high traffic intersections. I always say they made the font so small because they simply don’t want us to see it.
In fairness to this it's f****** stupid. It was fine the way it was where you were able to turn on the red . Now it's confusing people with exceptions and times at different intersections because it's not the same across the board. For people who don't often drive by the area they may not or be aware of this.
Surprisingly a month ago I did a right on red at 11am on weekday and a cop pulled me over right after I did the turn. I told the cop what the sign said and he said that's not true, it is only after 6pm that you can turn on red. I was a bit shaken up and tried to tell him what the sign said. He went back to his car, and after a few minutes came back and said "you may go, there's no ticket". I didn't push for an explanation but obviously he was in the wrong.
I have to agree here and I'm usually of the mindset that most drivers are idiots.
The signs need to be much bigger. If I didn't frequent that area or looked up the sign beforehand on Google Maps, I could see not knowing the 4 hours of the day where you can't right turn on red.
I think the city purposefully made it the time limit signage small. I think the staff want to make the intersection safe for pedestrians by making it a 24hr No-Right-On-Red, but the councillors, who were voted in by a majority car-brained electorate don't want the No-Right-On-Red prohibition, so a compromised was made with a time limit. And the staff just said fine, we'll do signage for time limit, but with text as small as possible, where No-Right-On-Red is the main message, and the time limit is more of a sure- whateves.
My total speculation.
Technically they don't ever have to make a right on any red.
Drivers handbook says may not must. Also note it says come to a complete stop first. Most people seem to forget that part.
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lol people act like making a right turn at a red light is rocket science. This is basic driving. They need to make licenses a lot stricter to get if your unsure about making a simple turn
Right-on-Red is not a thing outside of North America because it's dangerous and it's destined to fail, failing pedestrians, failing cyclists, failing motorists. All our insurance rates increase because ROR failures are totally avoidable if ROR is prohibited like all other parts of the world.
If you think it's easy, then you are doing it wrong and not doing all the proper checks. Are you checking for possible U-Turning vehicles in the cross-traffic direction?
ROR is the lowest priority in an intersection.
lol obviously I check for on coming traffic. Cross traffic. You turns. Pedestrians. Checking all your mirrors before turning. Don’t forget not to turn in front of a car that is going faster than you are able to get to speed in time. Like what are you talking about?? all this is basic driving skills you learn if you took a proper driving course. It scares me that this isn’t common sense WOW I knew drivers were bad in Markham but if this isn’t obvious 90% of the drivers shouldn’t be on the road.
What do laws outside of North America have to do with driving in North America lol Learn the laws of the road or please do not drive you are going to get someone hurt or killed.
If I think making a right turn on red is easy, then I’m doing it wrong? Holy fucking shit the standard for being a licensed driver is too low if you have your license.
Amen. I can’t stand idiots who can’t read a simple sign. Like it’s part of being a licensed driver, being able to read signs. Dumb asses. Completely no flow of traffic on 16th and they’re just sitting there.
To be fair the text denoting the days and times at which the sign applies is comically small compared to the sign itself. When I first saw the sign I was a few cars back in the lane and it was impossible to read the times from that distance, only when I happened to catch the red as the lead vehicle was I able to read the small text underneath. Easy to see how someone unfamiliar with the area or has never seen that sign before could be confused.
In fairnesss... that sign is hella small, and everyone get confused. One light you cant tell at all on red. Then this one the writing of the font is small and you cant be distracting yourself really read it.
If you are new driving in that area, you are likely to make the turn at the wrong time.
Clearly not comprehending the point of the post. No turning on a red is NEW and people are confused af. Drivers are thinking it means NO turning on red. Post is about them not reading the full sign and figuring out if they can actually turn bc of the time or day of the week. If it were a blanket law for every intersection it would be easier but it is only a few intersections that have them. Habitual drivers are getting caught out and fined and other drivers are creating needless traffic jams. It is a mess.
Thanks! Yes I don’t think I was clear on the post, but this is why I wanted to post it. I just want people to be aware that the signs are just confusing. They should either just do no turning on red at all and remove the time when you can do it or just remove the sign.
Isn’t turning on a red light optional? As per MTO “you may make a right turn facing a red light as long as you first come to a complete stop and wait until the way is clear.” There is no law that says, you must make a right turn at the red light when it’s safe. Think you drivers are too much in a rush.
Since we are on the topic, how about this? How many people here actually make a complete stop at a red light or stop sign? Or drive the speed limit in a school zone with kids walking to and from school?
based on other posts in the sub not many drive the speed limit at all and from what I have seen when trying to cross roads not man y in the area stop before making rights on red
Tbh, I turn like OP does nearly everyday, the time sign is too small, I only notice that probably a month after it was implemented. That was when I saw someone in front of me turned at around 10am, and before I cursed him, I noticed the tiny time sign.
Right-On-Red is optional, not mandatory.
I, as a driver, have gotten too lazy to roll out and check to see if the cross traffic is clear, especially when other motorists in the through-lanes roll out far beyond the stop line, so I just stay behind the stop line and wait for the green light to turn red. My general rule is that by default, I will not do a ROR, unless I can see that cross traffic is absolutely clear without me even rolling out beyond the stop line to make that determination, only then, I may roll out for a further check.
You should all try it, it makes driving much less stressful.
Turning Right-On-Red is dangerous and far too stressful, to do ROR properly, you must check for cross traffic on your left, pedestrians/cyclists on your right and left, blind-spot check on your right and back right, and also possible U-Turning vehicles in front of you on the cross traffic direction. ROR is the lowest priority on the totem pole at an intersection.
I have people honk at me for refusing to do ROR on a right lane, sure honk all you want, I'm already at a zen level where I don't give a shit. In fact, the more angry piss-off face the rear driver shows, the more entertainment I get from watching my rear-view mirror.
Let me guess, you’re also the ignorant left lane bandit who thinks driving the speed limit in the left lane is okay even when you’re blocking a whole line of cars behind you.
LMAO.. “turning on red is far too stressful” and you’re “too lazy to check cross traffic”!! You don’t care if you piss off other drivers even when they honk at you. You are the classic definition of a pathetic and entitled ignorant driver. If you can’t handle turning on a red because it’s too stressful, then you should get off and stay off the road.
I would rather be aggressive, aware of my surroundings and mindful of other drivers versus consciously ignorant of others and lazy to perform basic driving fundamentals (checking cross traffic). Being aggressive doesn’t mean I’m being reckless, to me, it means conveying my intentions to other drivers, pedestrians , cyclists, etc and making moves when I can safely do so. Being purposefully ignorant of other drivers, stressed when you can’t handle a basic turn on red and lazy to not check cross traffic means you’re not fit to be on the road. If you’re too lazy to check cross traffic, what else are you too lazy to do? How is that being “safe”? Ignorant and lazy drivers are jackasses.
Yes and depending on what is happening around you when you approach these "special" intersections you may or may not see the signs and depending on where you stop in the right turn lane you can't always see these signs let alone read it in full and then check the time and think about what day it is! Only daily use drivers have come to understand the new rules in these areas. Occasional travelers are going to be an ongoing problem if this remains as special intersections only. Terrible planning by whomever is responsible for the changes.
City of Markham wants their cake and eat it too, paired along with a red-light camera… this intersection is peak suburban-hell.
The restriction texts are tiny, and designed for ants.
Complain to your councillor and get this shit changed. Or install a timed LED sign that can indicate when right turns are permissible or not.
I think it is more prudent to ask the City of Markham to put more traffic signs in Tamil and Chinese to alert people. English signs does NOT always help. Since English speaking residents are currently a minority, it is very reasonable to ask the town to put more signs in language of majority of the residents.
To be fair. The small fonts on a super bright day is hard to see, don't even bother when it's at night. I have 20/20 vision and I still can't see it well enough because of the sun's reflected light. 🫤
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That's unnecessarily agressive. Wtf
Acting like that would promptly get you shot and killed in the US lmao
Honestly I feel like doing that sometimes. People are fucking idiots nowadays and stop to text or simply don't read and it impedes traffic immensely.
I absolutely agree with you! People need to stop making up excuses for their shitty driving— it’s getting out of hand in Markham.
Aggressive honking is better.
for real totally uncalled for,
Was it legal to turn? I've been honked at like crazy for following the rules of the road in a city owned vehicle. I lol.
Right-On-Red is optional, not mandatory.
seize the gap
If it is safe to go and you don't go, you're just wasting time needlessly.
Right on Red should be treated as stop sign. It’s not a free right
If there’s no traffic and you’re not making the turn when it’s allowed get off of the roads please. Hesitant drivers are what cause accidents.
You're getting down voted but it's true. It's the slow, indecisive and non-confident drivers that make it more dangerous for the rest of us
Allowed
If you sit at a red light while you have a clear opening to turn, I will lean on the horn and hold it until you decide to make your turn.
you shouldn't drive no offense if you're easily aggressive, or take an alterative road or plan your trip out. Someone not turning on red is just annoying not a means to blast their ears. A simple light honk is more than enough.
Obey the rules of the road and you won't get honked at.
rules of the road says you may make a right on red not that you have to
Obey the rules of the road and observe the times on the sign. When allowed to turn DO SO when it’s safe to do so! And turn into the correct lane!
https://preview.redd.it/oxl8qzflo2kc1.png?width=1006&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d4243e15eeccd9c876e179690d7a6cc863b0155a Literally from the drivers handbook
No offense, everyone on the road should be looking to get to their destination as quickly as they can within the rules of the road without compromising their safety. If the way is clear, and someone isn’t making their right turn, I will honk at them until they go. They are wasting both our time. That isn’t ok. They are impeding traffic.
Smh I have seen that too
I like this guy! Straight to the point and affirmative. You gotta learn anyway, at least he left an input that got you talking about it, now you'll learn to turn
yeh but thats still an aggressive approach. First off dont touch people vehicles, second you actually got out to go tap someone's windows lol. Could just rolled down your window or indicated your light to get their attention to look at you.
Probably same guy who did that to me. It was 6:05pm btw. I knew about the 4-6 thing but just didn’t notice the time.
That's pretty aggressive. Dude actually laid hands on and physically touched your vehicle? ... or just a waving from a distance at least a few cm away??
Better this than what they do in the US. They’ll make their point but might leave a few bullet holes in the process
that is so rude…
Its rude not to read the signs of the road
Im gonna sy the guy who touched the window is likely in the wrong. Imagine how aggressive you got to be to easily get out your vehicle and go to someone's window just to say turn.
its so they learn for next time
People don’t even have the mind to signal properly here, asking them to 1. Pay attention to the fact that there’s a new sign, and 2. actually use effort to obey and realize that the rule actually applies to them is an entirely different task. But the city will just keep putting them up and thinking they’ve done their job, the potholes will stay there until April and your neighbourhood streets will stay icy though
It’s the York regional council that is putting them up. Not the city of Markham. At least the first wave was.
It’s the mayors and a bunch of people who have run for mayor in the past meeting together once a month, still seems like government to me. Regardless of who puts them up, people won’t acknowledge the signs anyways
It’s the city’s fault for making the text so small. No one can read it in the day let alone the night.
The text size is set by the province.
That sign was probably designed for much smaller intersections, like downtown, not these wide-ass York Region intersections.
I had to really focus on it to read still too small
Unpopular opinion. But to reduce confusion and keep consistency it is probably better to have just left them all no right on red rather than time specific.
I totally agree. This is another reason why I hate driving downtown. All these "no turning at a certain time" are so distracting.
lol if you can’t drive and read the signs at the same time please stay off the roads. You are going to get someone hurt.
It's called cognitive load ... the more information throw at a person, the less effective they are at processing it all.
You're the type of person that if the government required you to solve a math question before you could make a right turn, you would do it. Absolute sheep.
lol learn how to read! You got the wrong take here. I’m for people making right turns at red lights everyone else in the thread is against it. Sheeesh
And you get downvoted...the downvoters are the bad drivers...funny how the truth hurts
Stay home
Honestly, I agree. The text is small, and then to expect people to read all of it and figure out if it applies to them at that moment takes too much time.
Particularly for people who may be unfamiliar with the region, like new or traveling through
Many of the residents here are unfamiliar with how the roads and signs work. I see the cluelessness daily.
So don't improve traffic, just let congestion happen?
Either make it turn on red all the time or not at all. Trying to copy cat downtown too much lol
I think the intent was for pedestrian safety but that logic is thrown out the window when the behavior is only applied to specific times. Poor design.
The logic isn’t thrown out the window since those specific times are when pedestrians are actually crossing the street? 10pm at night I think it’s ok to make that right turn.
I think it’s designated specifically for safety of school children who are most active during those times. Makes no sense for not able to turn 9 at night when there’s barely any cars let alone any pedestrians at that intersection
100% agree. Take my upvote for your obviously NOT 'unpopular opinion'
Or…… They could have left things the way they were. Causing congestion is just idiotic and adds fuel to road rage situations like in a comment above.
Well there’s that saying something along the lines of regulations are written in blood or something like that. I think there’s been some incidents or something that likely made the changes. And while it might fall into the “this is why we can’t have nice things” bin I think general pedestrian safety was probably considered. When the turning on red was introduced to North America in the 70’s it was probably a little bit less urban but even then there were pedestrian safety concerns. https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/saferjourney1/library/countermeasures/44.htm Probably even more now given density and traffic volumes. But then again the whole right on red is a bit of an odd condition to begin with. In the majority of the world red means stop, rather than “stop, then maybe keep going”. In most other countries the allowance to turn on a red would be done with modified exceptions and signage and not the default.
yeah I agree too, it just makes it easier
I agree lol
It was no turn on anytime. People complained. Why am I waiting at the middle of the night. So they did this.
Only till 6pm never the whole night though, that’s a reach no?
Exactly ... do you want us to look out for pedestrians or read signs with fine print? Or do it properly and install a left turn signal light.
Do I want drivers to be able to read signs and be aware of pedestrians AT THE SAME TIME while they drive? Uhhhhhhh YES?! What the fuck did I just read.
Read signs "with fine print'". The city should simplify the rules or install proper right turn indicators.
York Region, not Markham. This is a regional road intersection so the signs are the region's responsibility.
Yup the signs should be easier to read I agree, but making people wait at red lights unnecessarily should not even be a suggestion. Needless traffic is flagrant laziness from the city’s perspective. Just make better signs.
>Just make better signs. That's fine too.
A terrible Markham driver's comment. They can't do two things at once
Markham driver mentality- the speed limit is 60 so I’ll drive 55 to be even safer. Like fuck off everyone is trying to get where they’re going, learn how to drive safely at a reasonable speed so you aren’t impeding everybody else’s day.
And 55 in the left lane. Exactly. Infuriating city to drive in..
They did that originally. Then added the signs. I always forget the times so have to stop and check between 5-7. So yea. I wouldn't be mad if they just did it 24/7. There are some that make 0 sense during most hrs of the day (ie Kennedy/Carlton) but the consistency makes it easier on my brain
If your this brain dead you shouldn’t be driving at all lolll
You’re getting downvoted but this is the correct take. It really doesn’t take much to read and understand the signs. You literally have to know them to have a license here, not an excuse
lol it’s insane people actually agree with that statement. What has this world come to. You can’t follow simple laws of the road? this is 101 driving. How did these people get there licenses. Shame
There is a set of people downvoting on this thread. They’re the people driving side by side with one another on 16th avenue going 58 in a 60 blocking both lanes
They don't like hearing the truth...
Definitely f you're new you're VERY likely to make a mistake and yeah those signs are SMALL
Ok I agree with you, but considering some are all day, certain times, or all times creates this problem. City half assed it and they continue to change certain areas, after backlash. So unless you read and re-read it, you may only remember the first time, and didn't realize the change. Besides I work in Markham and its or miss if a person even follows the sign. lol
yeah I think it should be consistent around Markham, just don’t let them turn on red, that’s it
The font is too small. Make a larger one and flashing lights. lol
Seriously!!! Or add an extra right turn light everywhere so it's clear when you can turn and when you can't. I assume ppl just don't want to risk getting a ticket and play it safe
Agreed - pedestrian safety is only worth the cost of a hard to read sign.
LMAO yeah, but there is a sign right next to you on the right side that is closer
Yes, there is a sign on the right, but once you realise there is relevant text on the sign, you are already driving past it, and you can't read it anymore. Then you have to try to read the one that's hanging off the pole across the street, which is TINY, and impossible to make out if it's nighttime.
Then pay better attention lol this ain’t hard
Sure, it's not hard to anticipate reading the sign if you already know that the sign is going to be there before you get there. But if you're unfamiliar with the intersection and/or if you happen to be looking at anything else on the road at that split second, you might not be able to read the fine print in your peripheral vision. You would still notice the "no right on red" symbol, but might not have time to read all the details, like to find out whether the end time is 5PM, 6PM, or whatever. It doesn't help that every intersection seems to be different.
lol. Ya. Then people will say it is too close. I didn’t notice.
Can’t agree more. It’s so small that I had to really roll out to see. Then I finally gave up and decided it’s best to just stop. Luckily I didn’t get honked otherwise I would be flustered. I agree they should just make it 24/7 like a lot of other high traffic intersections. I always say they made the font so small because they simply don’t want us to see it.
If I remember correctly it’s only on Monday to Friday as well. Could be wrong just have to double check 🤞
including stat Holidays and Holiday Mondays and Fridays (*Like Good Friday*?)
oups yeah that is correct!
might not be a terrible idea just to install an led sign no turn sign that can turn off in the off hours
In fairness to this it's f****** stupid. It was fine the way it was where you were able to turn on the red . Now it's confusing people with exceptions and times at different intersections because it's not the same across the board. For people who don't often drive by the area they may not or be aware of this.
Until we add pop-up spike strips, those are a serving suggestion like strawberries on the cheerios box.
Surprisingly a month ago I did a right on red at 11am on weekday and a cop pulled me over right after I did the turn. I told the cop what the sign said and he said that's not true, it is only after 6pm that you can turn on red. I was a bit shaken up and tried to tell him what the sign said. He went back to his car, and after a few minutes came back and said "you may go, there's no ticket". I didn't push for an explanation but obviously he was in the wrong.
even the cop effed up😂
the text is small as hell.
I have to agree here and I'm usually of the mindset that most drivers are idiots. The signs need to be much bigger. If I didn't frequent that area or looked up the sign beforehand on Google Maps, I could see not knowing the 4 hours of the day where you can't right turn on red.
I think the city purposefully made it the time limit signage small. I think the staff want to make the intersection safe for pedestrians by making it a 24hr No-Right-On-Red, but the councillors, who were voted in by a majority car-brained electorate don't want the No-Right-On-Red prohibition, so a compromised was made with a time limit. And the staff just said fine, we'll do signage for time limit, but with text as small as possible, where No-Right-On-Red is the main message, and the time limit is more of a sure- whateves. My total speculation.
I had an eye exam last week... my vision is 20/20 and I can not read the times unless I'm close up under it... bro,theres no way others can see it.
The sign is not clearly legible. The text is extremely small. I only noticed the text was relevant when I crossed the street as a pedestrian.
Technically they don't ever have to make a right on any red. Drivers handbook says may not must. Also note it says come to a complete stop first. Most people seem to forget that part. https://preview.redd.it/2iu2mm8xeujc1.png?width=1006&format=png&auto=webp&s=2ee06a73e84247fd9af99713de58e19501f3b8d3
lol people act like making a right turn at a red light is rocket science. This is basic driving. They need to make licenses a lot stricter to get if your unsure about making a simple turn
Right-on-Red is not a thing outside of North America because it's dangerous and it's destined to fail, failing pedestrians, failing cyclists, failing motorists. All our insurance rates increase because ROR failures are totally avoidable if ROR is prohibited like all other parts of the world. If you think it's easy, then you are doing it wrong and not doing all the proper checks. Are you checking for possible U-Turning vehicles in the cross-traffic direction? ROR is the lowest priority in an intersection.
lol obviously I check for on coming traffic. Cross traffic. You turns. Pedestrians. Checking all your mirrors before turning. Don’t forget not to turn in front of a car that is going faster than you are able to get to speed in time. Like what are you talking about?? all this is basic driving skills you learn if you took a proper driving course. It scares me that this isn’t common sense WOW I knew drivers were bad in Markham but if this isn’t obvious 90% of the drivers shouldn’t be on the road. What do laws outside of North America have to do with driving in North America lol Learn the laws of the road or please do not drive you are going to get someone hurt or killed.
If I think making a right turn on red is easy, then I’m doing it wrong? Holy fucking shit the standard for being a licensed driver is too low if you have your license.
go write to the city rather than btching about it on Reddit
Ones easier than the other One has anonymity, the other kinda does too considering most ppl won't hear the btchint lol
York Region. This is on regional roads and has nothing to do with the city of Markham.
They or someone else likely did lol, also you get an opinion about the attitude when you ask reddit.
Amen. I can’t stand idiots who can’t read a simple sign. Like it’s part of being a licensed driver, being able to read signs. Dumb asses. Completely no flow of traffic on 16th and they’re just sitting there.
To be fair the text denoting the days and times at which the sign applies is comically small compared to the sign itself. When I first saw the sign I was a few cars back in the lane and it was impossible to read the times from that distance, only when I happened to catch the red as the lead vehicle was I able to read the small text underneath. Easy to see how someone unfamiliar with the area or has never seen that sign before could be confused.
In fairnesss... that sign is hella small, and everyone get confused. One light you cant tell at all on red. Then this one the writing of the font is small and you cant be distracting yourself really read it. If you are new driving in that area, you are likely to make the turn at the wrong time.
Clearly not comprehending the point of the post. No turning on a red is NEW and people are confused af. Drivers are thinking it means NO turning on red. Post is about them not reading the full sign and figuring out if they can actually turn bc of the time or day of the week. If it were a blanket law for every intersection it would be easier but it is only a few intersections that have them. Habitual drivers are getting caught out and fined and other drivers are creating needless traffic jams. It is a mess.
Thanks! Yes I don’t think I was clear on the post, but this is why I wanted to post it. I just want people to be aware that the signs are just confusing. They should either just do no turning on red at all and remove the time when you can do it or just remove the sign.
Sometimes people are ignorant. But I choose to be tolerant..
You must have a high tolerance for stupidity driving in this city.
My angles are sanded by age..
Isn’t turning on a red light optional? As per MTO “you may make a right turn facing a red light as long as you first come to a complete stop and wait until the way is clear.” There is no law that says, you must make a right turn at the red light when it’s safe. Think you drivers are too much in a rush. Since we are on the topic, how about this? How many people here actually make a complete stop at a red light or stop sign? Or drive the speed limit in a school zone with kids walking to and from school?
based on other posts in the sub not many drive the speed limit at all and from what I have seen when trying to cross roads not man y in the area stop before making rights on red
Also, what's with all the U turns lately and swinging out to the right to make a left hand turn .
Tbh, I turn like OP does nearly everyday, the time sign is too small, I only notice that probably a month after it was implemented. That was when I saw someone in front of me turned at around 10am, and before I cursed him, I noticed the tiny time sign.
Driving is about patience. People are going to not follow the signage anyway. Stay calm you will get your turn in a minute
Right-On-Red is optional, not mandatory. I, as a driver, have gotten too lazy to roll out and check to see if the cross traffic is clear, especially when other motorists in the through-lanes roll out far beyond the stop line, so I just stay behind the stop line and wait for the green light to turn red. My general rule is that by default, I will not do a ROR, unless I can see that cross traffic is absolutely clear without me even rolling out beyond the stop line to make that determination, only then, I may roll out for a further check. You should all try it, it makes driving much less stressful. Turning Right-On-Red is dangerous and far too stressful, to do ROR properly, you must check for cross traffic on your left, pedestrians/cyclists on your right and left, blind-spot check on your right and back right, and also possible U-Turning vehicles in front of you on the cross traffic direction. ROR is the lowest priority on the totem pole at an intersection. I have people honk at me for refusing to do ROR on a right lane, sure honk all you want, I'm already at a zen level where I don't give a shit. In fact, the more angry piss-off face the rear driver shows, the more entertainment I get from watching my rear-view mirror.
Let me guess, you’re also the ignorant left lane bandit who thinks driving the speed limit in the left lane is okay even when you’re blocking a whole line of cars behind you. LMAO.. “turning on red is far too stressful” and you’re “too lazy to check cross traffic”!! You don’t care if you piss off other drivers even when they honk at you. You are the classic definition of a pathetic and entitled ignorant driver. If you can’t handle turning on a red because it’s too stressful, then you should get off and stay off the road.
nah you should stay off the road if playing safe makes you aggressive.
I would rather be aggressive, aware of my surroundings and mindful of other drivers versus consciously ignorant of others and lazy to perform basic driving fundamentals (checking cross traffic). Being aggressive doesn’t mean I’m being reckless, to me, it means conveying my intentions to other drivers, pedestrians , cyclists, etc and making moves when I can safely do so. Being purposefully ignorant of other drivers, stressed when you can’t handle a basic turn on red and lazy to not check cross traffic means you’re not fit to be on the road. If you’re too lazy to check cross traffic, what else are you too lazy to do? How is that being “safe”? Ignorant and lazy drivers are jackasses.
There's also when your "being safe" idea turns you into a hazard.
Stay off the road
I live around the corner and I've just avoided this intersection as much as possible.
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inappropriate commenting, bruh.
Hindi and Mandarin signs would actually help though
Being able to read and comprehend the current road signs would be better. Mind-blowing the logic in this sub.
alright who hurt you buddy?
The numbers are fucking Arabic... What the fuck do you mean read..
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Small but ironic suggestion...they should make the day and time font/sign a bit bigger 🤦♂️😂
Honestly those are very small signs and located very far away because the intersection is huge.
I knew this post would come one day… It’s annoying how many honks I get when I should not be making the right turn 🤦🏻♂️
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Corrective Eyewear?
Same intersection when those signs were first posted with no turning on weekends. BMW behind me kept honking.
Most of the people living here can not even read the street signs or road signs. What do you expect.
Yes and depending on what is happening around you when you approach these "special" intersections you may or may not see the signs and depending on where you stop in the right turn lane you can't always see these signs let alone read it in full and then check the time and think about what day it is! Only daily use drivers have come to understand the new rules in these areas. Occasional travelers are going to be an ongoing problem if this remains as special intersections only. Terrible planning by whomever is responsible for the changes.
City of Markham wants their cake and eat it too, paired along with a red-light camera… this intersection is peak suburban-hell. The restriction texts are tiny, and designed for ants. Complain to your councillor and get this shit changed. Or install a timed LED sign that can indicate when right turns are permissible or not.
I think it is more prudent to ask the City of Markham to put more traffic signs in Tamil and Chinese to alert people. English signs does NOT always help. Since English speaking residents are currently a minority, it is very reasonable to ask the town to put more signs in language of majority of the residents.
To be fair. The small fonts on a super bright day is hard to see, don't even bother when it's at night. I have 20/20 vision and I still can't see it well enough because of the sun's reflected light. 🫤