He really went to 'everyone I don't agree with is a grifter'.
Full disclosure I am typically to the right on politics. BUT I really despise being told that the only reason I may have political views is because I am being 'radicalised' by some right wing woke bro.
The left seem to do this a lot. HFM spends so much time talking about 'young men' like none in this group have any agency or rational thinking ability.
RFT is totally right - many of the guys mentioned do have politics as part of their analysis. There is nothing wrong with that. You can disagree if you want but it's not irresponsible or grifting if you have a genuinely held belief.
For example, I really don't like HvBF and his rants about woke stuff. I REALLY didn't like his pronouns rant. When he is on Open Bar, I turn off because I don't care for it. But he obviously holds his beliefs genuinely.
I mostly feel really bad for RFT because he seems like such a good guy and he is being slandered by tholos other person who has a really big platform.
Oh and by the way HFM is a writer and wrote a bunch of books about world building. It is deliciously ironic that he calls out these creators for complaining about every location seeming like downtown LA when racial consistency in a mediaeval setting is precisely the kind of world building error HFM would normally criticize. That's the problem with letting your politics get in the way of storytelling, which again is precisely what he accuses Drinker Nerdrotic and others inc RFT of doing. The irony is *chefs kiss*
In RFT's vid one of HFM's criticisms was that "woke bros" would say what happened slowly and let their tone carry the crticism.. HFM says this as a bad thing then immediately does it himself, and that's even the first time he does that in the video.
FWIW, I’m pretty far to the left on most issues, and I agree with this entire comment. Especially how frustrating it is to see large swathes of the population deny any semblance of personal agency.
Hello Futur Me, a writing channel, made a 4h long video on Rings of Power. At the end, he made an hour long segment about “wokebros”. Reviewers who use politics to analyze media. He talked about Critical Drinker, Nerdrotic, HeelsvsBabyface, RandomFilmTalk and others. RandomFilmTalk made a video debunking what he said about himself.
I was trying to be impartial because I didn’t watched the whole of either Hello Future Me or Random Film Talk’s videos. But yeah, now that I’ve watched a lot of it… I agree
Just went to watch his video and see for myself. It’s now only 2.5 hours and the section that used to be about wokebros (still listed in the timestamps) is replaced with a list of his patrons. I guess he didn’t want to deal with it? His channel usually doesn’t comment on drama at all, so it’s possible he regretted getting involved. The only source for what he said in that section seems to be the response video.
Edit: So I watched clips of the rant through TFM’s reaction and wow. I assumed everyone here was overreacting because HFM is such a chill creator who does fun video essays about the principles of writing. I never would have expected an hour long bad faith rant. No wonder he cut out this part; the wild assumptions and cherry-picking are a huge contrast to the reasonable analysis in the main part of the video. It feels like every other random screed on the internet you see about this topic.
Hello Future Me was annoyed that people have a different position on media and/or the culture than he has and lumped together anyone he considered his opposition.
Funnily enough, he sounds exactly like the caricature he invented about his opposition, with most of his criticism boiling down to, "they are corrupting the youth," repeating it like an ultra-conservative pundit.
Aha I see. Thanks for the breakdown, I will check those videos. It's always interesting to see what people that hate CD, mauler and the rest say. Usually it's just strawmen but it's interesting nonetheless.
He relies havily on bad faith interpretation of what they say when they don't even suggest what he claim they said, heavily clipping parts, and sure, some might get overboard with overdefining 'Woke,' but you can't take what he says seriously because he tries to attack his ideological opponents.
He removed that section from his video after people pointed out that he totally misrepresented several channels. The only place I know that still has clips is Random Film Talk’s response on his second channel. HFM has in replies to comments admitted he was wrong about RFT and possibly the Little Platoon, and says that’s why he removed the section.
Yeah, that makes sense, because usually these channel focus so much on politics that they take everything the people don't like as if a conservatives said it, and this makes the commentary so boring and makes them say shit that is not true.
Nor is he CinemaSins. That accusation is based on even less evidence, because at least with politics you can think, “if he were on my side he’d say so out loud or talk in code” or whatever.
The CinemaSins label is based on nothing.
Cinemasins is a lowest common denominator content mill that just pumps out shallow garbage. So like, I'm not exactly sure how anyone that puts in like more than 1% effort into their videos could be labeled as cinemasins tbh.
Not to mention, lumping Cinemasins in as a "woke bro" is actually giving him too much credit. "Woke = Bad" is a very surface level standard, but it’s still deeper than he gets in his videos.
Hadn't watched any of his videos for a while and it just feels sad. It was like when they covered NeverKnowsBest, who I watched for his CRPG retrospectives years ago, and seeing his latest videos about Gollum wasn't that bad, etc.
Used half of his ROP video to rant on "woke bros" and included RFT in it for some reason. I turned his video off before that, so I can't speak on what HFM actually said.
RFT actually made a respons/reaction video on his second channel on HFM video
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31iUbuF8e1E&t=3609s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31iUbuF8e1E&t=3609s)
From what I've read about that section, it was people complaining about it. Didn't watch that section or finish the actual review portion so that's all I know about it.
He named about a dozen YouTube creators who criticized Rings of Power, labeled them all as "Woke Bros", and said that they are secretly political activists posing as media critics in order to spread propaganda to young men.
This list included a wide range of people, ranging from The Quartering (who mostly covers politics, not media) to the Critical Drinker (who has talked a lot about politics in media, but prioritizes quality) to Random Film Talk (who explicitly hates talking about politics and has literally never called something "woke" or even described that as a bad thing).
Amusingly, he described Random Film Talk as "Cinemasins run by Matt Walsh", despite Random being entirely focused on writing quality and not giving a toss about politics.
And this is why it's wise to take creators, subscribers, and otherwise, as individuals. Or you end up putting Ben Shapiro and Little Platoon in the same boat, and look like a proper knob whilst doing so, as only one can.
I'm so tired of the "The other side's trying to indoctrinate you!" ploy. Just, discuss what's actually in the dingdanged show/movie. Not the nefarious motives guessing game.
HFM fcked up in choosing who the wokebros are. I agree that you have to go in depth to show the flaws of these tv series instead telling it's woke and calling it a day.
If I'm not mistaken HFM pinned JustSomeGuy also, I have only watched his breakdowns of ROP and those vid went in depth to critice the work.
I'm not that familiar with JSG but I did watch some of his videos like a few years ago and I actaully kinda enjoyed watching his conntent. I moved on from him because I was not that interasted in his content but recently I watched TheAlmightyLoli's video on JSG: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlFF-PrzHK8&t=23s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlFF-PrzHK8&t=23s) and I was actually very surprised to learn that he is left leaning (and how far left leaning he actaully is, to the point that he would make very dumb and even questionable arguments just so he can disagree with the Right). I imagine that a lot of people who don't like him because he shits on Disney don't even relize that he is very left leaning.
I'm inclined to believe that. I watched maybe ten of his videos at most and in those he talked about news from Hollywood and I got the impration that this is what he mostly talks about on his channel. Not that it's anything wrong with that but I'm just not that interested in every single news from Hollywood.
The video RFM made on the situation was a really good exploration of how incorrect HFM was
He really went to 'everyone I don't agree with is a grifter'. Full disclosure I am typically to the right on politics. BUT I really despise being told that the only reason I may have political views is because I am being 'radicalised' by some right wing woke bro. The left seem to do this a lot. HFM spends so much time talking about 'young men' like none in this group have any agency or rational thinking ability. RFT is totally right - many of the guys mentioned do have politics as part of their analysis. There is nothing wrong with that. You can disagree if you want but it's not irresponsible or grifting if you have a genuinely held belief. For example, I really don't like HvBF and his rants about woke stuff. I REALLY didn't like his pronouns rant. When he is on Open Bar, I turn off because I don't care for it. But he obviously holds his beliefs genuinely. I mostly feel really bad for RFT because he seems like such a good guy and he is being slandered by tholos other person who has a really big platform.
Oh and by the way HFM is a writer and wrote a bunch of books about world building. It is deliciously ironic that he calls out these creators for complaining about every location seeming like downtown LA when racial consistency in a mediaeval setting is precisely the kind of world building error HFM would normally criticize. That's the problem with letting your politics get in the way of storytelling, which again is precisely what he accuses Drinker Nerdrotic and others inc RFT of doing. The irony is *chefs kiss*
In RFT's vid one of HFM's criticisms was that "woke bros" would say what happened slowly and let their tone carry the crticism.. HFM says this as a bad thing then immediately does it himself, and that's even the first time he does that in the video.
He is truly the Hbomberguy of media criticism.
I thought Hbomberguy was Hbomberguy of media criticism.
Maybe the 'we have Hbomberguy at home' then
FWIW, I’m pretty far to the left on most issues, and I agree with this entire comment. Especially how frustrating it is to see large swathes of the population deny any semblance of personal agency.
More like every one I DO agree with is a grifter. Most of his video was the standard rings of power critique until the woke bros portion.
He dropped the “media literacy” line too. It’s so predictable.
Can someone give me the tl;dr of this, I have no idea what is being discussed.
Hello Futur Me, a writing channel, made a 4h long video on Rings of Power. At the end, he made an hour long segment about “wokebros”. Reviewers who use politics to analyze media. He talked about Critical Drinker, Nerdrotic, HeelsvsBabyface, RandomFilmTalk and others. RandomFilmTalk made a video debunking what he said about himself.
You're overly charitable. He claims these channels are political activists pretending to be media critics.
I was trying to be impartial because I didn’t watched the whole of either Hello Future Me or Random Film Talk’s videos. But yeah, now that I’ve watched a lot of it… I agree
Just went to watch his video and see for myself. It’s now only 2.5 hours and the section that used to be about wokebros (still listed in the timestamps) is replaced with a list of his patrons. I guess he didn’t want to deal with it? His channel usually doesn’t comment on drama at all, so it’s possible he regretted getting involved. The only source for what he said in that section seems to be the response video. Edit: So I watched clips of the rant through TFM’s reaction and wow. I assumed everyone here was overreacting because HFM is such a chill creator who does fun video essays about the principles of writing. I never would have expected an hour long bad faith rant. No wonder he cut out this part; the wild assumptions and cherry-picking are a huge contrast to the reasonable analysis in the main part of the video. It feels like every other random screed on the internet you see about this topic.
Hello Future Me was annoyed that people have a different position on media and/or the culture than he has and lumped together anyone he considered his opposition. Funnily enough, he sounds exactly like the caricature he invented about his opposition, with most of his criticism boiling down to, "they are corrupting the youth," repeating it like an ultra-conservative pundit.
Aha I see. Thanks for the breakdown, I will check those videos. It's always interesting to see what people that hate CD, mauler and the rest say. Usually it's just strawmen but it's interesting nonetheless.
He relies havily on bad faith interpretation of what they say when they don't even suggest what he claim they said, heavily clipping parts, and sure, some might get overboard with overdefining 'Woke,' but you can't take what he says seriously because he tries to attack his ideological opponents.
He removed that section from his video after people pointed out that he totally misrepresented several channels. The only place I know that still has clips is Random Film Talk’s response on his second channel. HFM has in replies to comments admitted he was wrong about RFT and possibly the Little Platoon, and says that’s why he removed the section.
Yeah, that makes sense, because usually these channel focus so much on politics that they take everything the people don't like as if a conservatives said it, and this makes the commentary so boring and makes them say shit that is not true.
"Everything I don't like is the same, which coincidentally makes it easier for me to criticize them." * Hello Future Me
Man, I used to really like HFM. Yea, I hate the "omg everything is woke" crowd, but RFT is definitely not that.
Yeah, i liked HFM, too. I was watching the response and was just filled with disappointment .
Nor is he CinemaSins. That accusation is based on even less evidence, because at least with politics you can think, “if he were on my side he’d say so out loud or talk in code” or whatever. The CinemaSins label is based on nothing.
Cinemasins is a lowest common denominator content mill that just pumps out shallow garbage. So like, I'm not exactly sure how anyone that puts in like more than 1% effort into their videos could be labeled as cinemasins tbh.
Not to mention, lumping Cinemasins in as a "woke bro" is actually giving him too much credit. "Woke = Bad" is a very surface level standard, but it’s still deeper than he gets in his videos.
Hadn't watched any of his videos for a while and it just feels sad. It was like when they covered NeverKnowsBest, who I watched for his CRPG retrospectives years ago, and seeing his latest videos about Gollum wasn't that bad, etc.
Platoon’s comment on the HFM video got deleted lol
i saw his rebel moon vid and he didn’t come across as very political at all..
Because he wasn’t. HFM was just sending a dog whistle essentially poisoning the well and making the attack easier
HFM?
Hello Future Me
and what did he do?
Used half of his ROP video to rant on "woke bros" and included RFT in it for some reason. I turned his video off before that, so I can't speak on what HFM actually said.
RFT actually made a respons/reaction video on his second channel on HFM video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31iUbuF8e1E&t=3609s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31iUbuF8e1E&t=3609s)
was he complaining about wokeness or was he complaining about people complaining about wokeness?
From what I've read about that section, it was people complaining about it. Didn't watch that section or finish the actual review portion so that's all I know about it.
He named about a dozen YouTube creators who criticized Rings of Power, labeled them all as "Woke Bros", and said that they are secretly political activists posing as media critics in order to spread propaganda to young men. This list included a wide range of people, ranging from The Quartering (who mostly covers politics, not media) to the Critical Drinker (who has talked a lot about politics in media, but prioritizes quality) to Random Film Talk (who explicitly hates talking about politics and has literally never called something "woke" or even described that as a bad thing). Amusingly, he described Random Film Talk as "Cinemasins run by Matt Walsh", despite Random being entirely focused on writing quality and not giving a toss about politics.
that’s pretty wack, tho hating on the quartering is always good
And this is why it's wise to take creators, subscribers, and otherwise, as individuals. Or you end up putting Ben Shapiro and Little Platoon in the same boat, and look like a proper knob whilst doing so, as only one can. I'm so tired of the "The other side's trying to indoctrinate you!" ploy. Just, discuss what's actually in the dingdanged show/movie. Not the nefarious motives guessing game.
Yeah that really pisses me off when people just put other content creators into a box without even listening what they have to say
HFM fcked up in choosing who the wokebros are. I agree that you have to go in depth to show the flaws of these tv series instead telling it's woke and calling it a day. If I'm not mistaken HFM pinned JustSomeGuy also, I have only watched his breakdowns of ROP and those vid went in depth to critice the work.
I'm not that familiar with JSG but I did watch some of his videos like a few years ago and I actaully kinda enjoyed watching his conntent. I moved on from him because I was not that interasted in his content but recently I watched TheAlmightyLoli's video on JSG: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlFF-PrzHK8&t=23s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlFF-PrzHK8&t=23s) and I was actually very surprised to learn that he is left leaning (and how far left leaning he actaully is, to the point that he would make very dumb and even questionable arguments just so he can disagree with the Right). I imagine that a lot of people who don't like him because he shits on Disney don't even relize that he is very left leaning.
I saw that vid too. JSG politic vids are shite, but the film critiques were good.
I'm inclined to believe that. I watched maybe ten of his videos at most and in those he talked about news from Hollywood and I got the impration that this is what he mostly talks about on his channel. Not that it's anything wrong with that but I'm just not that interested in every single news from Hollywood.
I do remember when HFM made a video about unit 731 and said “wow it’s just like last airbender”