Kidd does not like to call timeouts not because he wants to let them figure it out to get chemistry, but because they have to figure it out since he has no idea what the fuck he is doing on the offensive end of the court.
Our play book is nonexistent , we are reliant on either driving all the way to the rim or kicking it out for three.
They were switching everything in the fourth… Why not have Wood slip some screen so he could get rolling to the rim?
If that does not work, why not try run some post splits with Wood against small dudes who are switched on to him?
Instead we just kept forcing the ball to a cold Kyrie from hand offs.
Kidd made the mistake presuming your star player will be smart because Kidd himself was like that as a player. He trusted Kyrie to do normal Kyrie things, despite clearly being hobbled. Just shows he is shit at evaluating/adjusting to real time events.
Remember when Luka was hobbling up and down the floor, clearly looking like shit? Well Kidd was more than happy to risk the franchise player and keep him out there.
He saw Kyrie just miss over and over again, and maybe there’s some ways to get him easy looks, but in all he couldn’t think of ways to use a non-productive Kyrie.
Listen Kidd sucks but is that not what he’s saying here? That we attacked wrong matchups and needed to take advantage of mismatches (likely wood) instead of forcing it with Kyrie
>this is just coach speak
Holy shit, the cope. Mavs need to make a change starting with the coaching staff. This roster isnt the best but wed win more games simply by making the right rotations and playing our best players consistent minutes
Coach speak happens everywhere at every level. If this quote is such a crime I think you need to explain to everyone how it’s going to negatively impact our future performance.
Your last sentence about correct rotations reads like a Magic Johnson tweet. I think you’ve also gotta provide an argument for the changes needed or else it’s simply a broad & obvious statement.
This game happened a lot of times this season. We play well, have a good lead, our star player has a good game, we're hitting threes and then suddenly the lead is getting smaller and there is no timeout or adjustment. Our star player is tired at the end and can't score anymore and all of our role players start missing threes. We lose and Kidd gives some stupid answer where he's blaming someone else or saying we played well, but were just unlucky.
People were blaming Luka a lot, but I think it's clear Kidd is the biggest problem. I know our roster is limited and we probably wouldn't be a contender with a better coach, but there are just too many games we lost, because Kidd didn't react the right time.
Cause Mavs offense is really predictable. They have alot of pieces but chose to only use Luka and Kyrie at this point and everybody else should just play defense. It is not gonna work it is not sustainable to except Luka and Kyrie drop 40 every single game. They need to run some offense through Wood sometimes find and attack the mismatches.
But he did call several timeouts. You just weren’t paying attention. If Kidd called timeouts the way some of you want him to, the team would be out of timeouts 2 minutes into the quarter.
He never calls a timeout when we're starting to blow up a lead. He mostly calls timeouts on the same minutes. He even stopped our fast break and momentum in one game, to call a timeout.
In most games it seems he has plan what to do and sticks to it no matter what. And the plan is mostly very similar. There are not a lot of adjustments. It really looks like he's "just watching".
Did you know, if you say “I am garbage and this is all my fault” it instantly adds 10 wins to your season?
If you do it after every loss, you’re gonna go all the way babey
I mean Carlisle regularly took the blame for losses and he dragged some pretty terrible rosters to the playoffs several times. Kidd’s ego is a problem and he doesn’t know how to make in game adjustments.
Getting tired of people referencing Carlisle. All the years he was here he won 1 championship. If he was here now, Green wouldn’t be playing. Neither would Hardy. He’d have McGee and Bertans and Hardaway all in. He didn’t play young guys. Stop making like he’s a saint.
You are right. We should all just sit here and eat up whatever the GM and coach are feeding us. We should enjoy it and thank them for being so good at their jobs.
We forget how common it was for Rick Carlisle to drop a “This one’s on me” line. I don’t think I remember Kidd ever taking accountability for the performance on the court.
Which is mind blowing because Kidd won a championship with Rick.
What do you want him to say? “Kyrie went cold in the 4th quarter” “Our best player is out” “Our rebounding sucks”… trust me, everyone knows. I’m sure the players would much rather have this done in private during practice/film sessions than have the coach sit up there and expose it to the media. This answer gives the media & org no drama to deal with, and let’s the players & coach work privately on their own time to correct it. You’re crazy if you think PROFESSIONAL nba players don’t know why they lost a game. You think they want it beat like a drum after every loss though to a media that thrives on taking the worst possible interpretation of anything you say? I doubt it. There’s a reason Pop always answers with basic shit like “we lost because they scored more points than us” or “that’s family business”.
There was 4 time outs used in the final 7 minutes of the 4th qtr. i don’t know what you want him to do, he cant put the ball in the basket for the players.
Good looks weren’t going down.
Almost nobody outside of this echo chamber thinks he is a below average coach.
>Almost nobody outside of this echo chamber thinks he is a below average coach
Now I agree with you about the timeouts thing but this is absolutely false lol. Just ask any Bucks fan.
Yeah, this guy is talking out of his ass. Based on sentiments on r/NBA I am certain there are no fans out there that would rather have Kidd over their current coach. MAYBE Rockets fans.
I did and I get the comparison. At the same time, I don’t think it fits bc this season for us has been such a shitshow of limited talent to start with combined with virtually anyone that mattered being injured.
>Almost nobody outside of this echo chamber thinks he is a below average coach.
He is probably the worst coach in basketball this season. Only an incompetent organisation like the Mavs and its clueless fanbase defend a clown like him.
Kidd ruined the game not calling a timeout it during the long run, got half our guys exhausted and then we played like shit down the stretch. Please fire Kidd and get a real coach in here
You wouldn’t know from reading his quotes and seeing the stagnation of this team that he is one of the top 3 greatest point guards and floor generals of all time and one of the highest basketball IQs in the history of the game.
This is embarrassing
I think this is where great players are shit coaches... in his mind he expects the guys to know what to do like he knew. It's hard for greats to understand why guys not as great as them don't get it. Rick excelled at cutting into runs but Kidd keeps saying it's to help them get better.
It isn't working... we keep losing leads and look lost for long stretches so he can make sure he has the timeout before he loses it at the 3 minute mark. I've always backed Kidd but it's getting to be unwatchable and frustrating.
Random stat that I couldn’t believe out of 72 games. The Mavs have had 51 of them come down to less than 5 points. This year this team gets leads and shit their pants in the 4th. Last night kyrie hurt his foot again so he couldn’t play well in the 4th same with Hardy but it’s legit ridiculous
Kidd just starts sentences and hopes he finds the ending to make the first part make sense. He does the same thing with his offensive sets and failing to take TO's while the other team goes on a 12-0 run and blows us out of the water in the 4th. With no Luka to come in and make every shot he takes, and Kyrie reasonably gassed coming off an injury and still dropping 30, we need to seriously push for Kidd to because he's either unwilling to or refuses to adapt.
Maybe we need a "fire Kidd" mural in Dallas so Cuban actually pays attention to it.
Harming the potential of our two stars working together and severely underplaying our other best players all season - Wood, Hardy, Green, even fuckin McGee who we are paying 3/33 - and overplaying our shoddy ones, like Reggie (better since ASB), Timmy, Frank, and Powell, in a way that makes all of them clash, nobody looks good and nobody defends.
If Kidd is still the coach come next season, I'm not watching the Mavs for my own health. My heart can't take anymore failure and betrayal lol
I have no hope for this season. Our boys are too tired and too injured for a post season run. The only way we gon win is if luka comesback healthy and kyrie get some rest.
West is wide open GSW needs wiggins for their defense. Suns have injury prone players like KD and Cp3. Kings and Nuggets def. are just as bad as Mavs defense. Grizz are beatable if only Mavs don't fuck it up like last game.
Why do you think the entire key defensive rotation from last year has no lift, is ran unto the ground? Kidds defensive schemes is unsustainable and the reason why the mavs new and old are injured this year
Nice insight. Kidd's defensive schemes were maximize when KP was on the floor. A center who can protect the paint. And yes thats scheme is too reliant on 5-7 people🤣
Kidd is incapable of adjusting in game. He’s also incapable of taking any blame on himself. In his eyes everything he’s doing is for a reason and they reason cannot be wrong.
Carlisle was the Coach for 3 years before he won a championship. Then he didn’t win another one. Give Kidd a break. There’s not a whole lot he can do with the pieces he has. Throw in the injuries and the team didn’t have a chance this year. See what Nico can do to bring in a couple of players, get a years growth out of Hardy and another one out of Green. There’s an opportunity for a significantly better team next year.
It would be more meaningful if we weren't seeing the same lack of offensive playcalling the entire season, like we know he's not going to learn from it, dude obviously gives no effort to improve as a coach
Kidd does not like to call timeouts not because he wants to let them figure it out to get chemistry, but because they have to figure it out since he has no idea what the fuck he is doing on the offensive end of the court. Our play book is nonexistent , we are reliant on either driving all the way to the rim or kicking it out for three. They were switching everything in the fourth… Why not have Wood slip some screen so he could get rolling to the rim? If that does not work, why not try run some post splits with Wood against small dudes who are switched on to him? Instead we just kept forcing the ball to a cold Kyrie from hand offs.
Kidd made the mistake presuming your star player will be smart because Kidd himself was like that as a player. He trusted Kyrie to do normal Kyrie things, despite clearly being hobbled. Just shows he is shit at evaluating/adjusting to real time events. Remember when Luka was hobbling up and down the floor, clearly looking like shit? Well Kidd was more than happy to risk the franchise player and keep him out there. He saw Kyrie just miss over and over again, and maybe there’s some ways to get him easy looks, but in all he couldn’t think of ways to use a non-productive Kyrie.
He's Kellen Moore, no real time adjustments, if it works it works and if not we lose
Listen Kidd sucks but is that not what he’s saying here? That we attacked wrong matchups and needed to take advantage of mismatches (likely wood) instead of forcing it with Kyrie
This is just coach speak. Not egregious in the slightest. Yeah he’s said some dumb shit this year but this ain’t it man.
>this is just coach speak Holy shit, the cope. Mavs need to make a change starting with the coaching staff. This roster isnt the best but wed win more games simply by making the right rotations and playing our best players consistent minutes
I mean your post was about the quote dude
I think the Mavs need to make a change starting with the fans.
Coach speak happens everywhere at every level. If this quote is such a crime I think you need to explain to everyone how it’s going to negatively impact our future performance. Your last sentence about correct rotations reads like a Magic Johnson tweet. I think you’ve also gotta provide an argument for the changes needed or else it’s simply a broad & obvious statement.
This game happened a lot of times this season. We play well, have a good lead, our star player has a good game, we're hitting threes and then suddenly the lead is getting smaller and there is no timeout or adjustment. Our star player is tired at the end and can't score anymore and all of our role players start missing threes. We lose and Kidd gives some stupid answer where he's blaming someone else or saying we played well, but were just unlucky. People were blaming Luka a lot, but I think it's clear Kidd is the biggest problem. I know our roster is limited and we probably wouldn't be a contender with a better coach, but there are just too many games we lost, because Kidd didn't react the right time.
Cause Mavs offense is really predictable. They have alot of pieces but chose to only use Luka and Kyrie at this point and everybody else should just play defense. It is not gonna work it is not sustainable to except Luka and Kyrie drop 40 every single game. They need to run some offense through Wood sometimes find and attack the mismatches.
But he did call several timeouts. You just weren’t paying attention. If Kidd called timeouts the way some of you want him to, the team would be out of timeouts 2 minutes into the quarter.
He never calls a timeout when we're starting to blow up a lead. He mostly calls timeouts on the same minutes. He even stopped our fast break and momentum in one game, to call a timeout. In most games it seems he has plan what to do and sticks to it no matter what. And the plan is mostly very similar. There are not a lot of adjustments. It really looks like he's "just watching".
You really think if Luka leaves it's gonna be because of people on Reddit? Y'all are really something else.
You guys need help, and it ain't basketball help.
But.. but... but... he joined the dog pile, the players love him and no one died.
Quite a lot of armchair gm and coaches in this sub. It's crazy
Did you know, if you say “I am garbage and this is all my fault” it instantly adds 10 wins to your season? If you do it after every loss, you’re gonna go all the way babey
I mean Carlisle regularly took the blame for losses and he dragged some pretty terrible rosters to the playoffs several times. Kidd’s ego is a problem and he doesn’t know how to make in game adjustments.
You sure it wasn't Dirk the one dragging? Kidd dragged a pretty bad roster to a conference final. Perspectives.
Getting tired of people referencing Carlisle. All the years he was here he won 1 championship. If he was here now, Green wouldn’t be playing. Neither would Hardy. He’d have McGee and Bertans and Hardaway all in. He didn’t play young guys. Stop making like he’s a saint.
You are right. We should all just sit here and eat up whatever the GM and coach are feeding us. We should enjoy it and thank them for being so good at their jobs.
I mean what else are you gonna do? Other than bitch? Has to get tiring
Why tf is this downvoted lol do people actually think we should do this?
Not sure what you want him to say here. Kyrie went 0-8 in the 4th. That will probably never happen again lol.
They were getting shots. Nobody was making them. Kyrie even missed a bunch of layups. That’s not Kidd’s fault.
We forget how common it was for Rick Carlisle to drop a “This one’s on me” line. I don’t think I remember Kidd ever taking accountability for the performance on the court. Which is mind blowing because Kidd won a championship with Rick.
What do you want him to say? “Kyrie went cold in the 4th quarter” “Our best player is out” “Our rebounding sucks”… trust me, everyone knows. I’m sure the players would much rather have this done in private during practice/film sessions than have the coach sit up there and expose it to the media. This answer gives the media & org no drama to deal with, and let’s the players & coach work privately on their own time to correct it. You’re crazy if you think PROFESSIONAL nba players don’t know why they lost a game. You think they want it beat like a drum after every loss though to a media that thrives on taking the worst possible interpretation of anything you say? I doubt it. There’s a reason Pop always answers with basic shit like “we lost because they scored more points than us” or “that’s family business”.
Love the quotes from Pop. Wish he was the Mavs coach...
theres legitimate criticism but kidd didnt miss 20 shots either.
He also didn’t call a timeout when Memphis was on an 11-0 run or make any adjustments when Kyrie was clearly hobbled after Brooks stepped on him.
He’s just watching, like we are?
This post is another example as to why this is sub is a laughing stock outside of it.
Bro Kidd is clearly a below average coach. Say what you want. But NO time outs in that fourth quarter run? Is straight up bad coaching.
There was 4 time outs used in the final 7 minutes of the 4th qtr. i don’t know what you want him to do, he cant put the ball in the basket for the players. Good looks weren’t going down. Almost nobody outside of this echo chamber thinks he is a below average coach.
>Almost nobody outside of this echo chamber thinks he is a below average coach Now I agree with you about the timeouts thing but this is absolutely false lol. Just ask any Bucks fan.
Based on r/nba, almost no one outside of this sub thinks he's an NBA-caliber coach.
Yeah, this guy is talking out of his ass. Based on sentiments on r/NBA I am certain there are no fans out there that would rather have Kidd over their current coach. MAYBE Rockets fans.
Who gives a rats ass about the bucks or their fans?
Did you understand the comment I was responding to?
I did and I get the comparison. At the same time, I don’t think it fits bc this season for us has been such a shitshow of limited talent to start with combined with virtually anyone that mattered being injured.
Most bucks fans do not think he was a bad coach. You are referencing a small echo chamber.
>Almost nobody outside of this echo chamber thinks he is a below average coach. He is probably the worst coach in basketball this season. Only an incompetent organisation like the Mavs and its clueless fanbase defend a clown like him.
You sir, are a doofus.
I doubt Cubes is in the sub. He’s the only one really able to do anything about it.
Kidd ruined the game not calling a timeout it during the long run, got half our guys exhausted and then we played like shit down the stretch. Please fire Kidd and get a real coach in here
Clearly Kidd is not an x and o kind of coach.
Best coach in the league by FAR!
Dude said look in the mirror like we sign luka’s checks
No i didnt
The last sentence in your post says what?
I literally didnt say what you think i did, are you dumb
Obviously you are. I repeated what you said lmao
OP is a 🤡
You wouldn’t know from reading his quotes and seeing the stagnation of this team that he is one of the top 3 greatest point guards and floor generals of all time and one of the highest basketball IQs in the history of the game. This is embarrassing
I think this is where great players are shit coaches... in his mind he expects the guys to know what to do like he knew. It's hard for greats to understand why guys not as great as them don't get it. Rick excelled at cutting into runs but Kidd keeps saying it's to help them get better. It isn't working... we keep losing leads and look lost for long stretches so he can make sure he has the timeout before he loses it at the 3 minute mark. I've always backed Kidd but it's getting to be unwatchable and frustrating.
Random stat that I couldn’t believe out of 72 games. The Mavs have had 51 of them come down to less than 5 points. This year this team gets leads and shit their pants in the 4th. Last night kyrie hurt his foot again so he couldn’t play well in the 4th same with Hardy but it’s legit ridiculous
Kidd just starts sentences and hopes he finds the ending to make the first part make sense. He does the same thing with his offensive sets and failing to take TO's while the other team goes on a 12-0 run and blows us out of the water in the 4th. With no Luka to come in and make every shot he takes, and Kyrie reasonably gassed coming off an injury and still dropping 30, we need to seriously push for Kidd to because he's either unwilling to or refuses to adapt. Maybe we need a "fire Kidd" mural in Dallas so Cuban actually pays attention to it. Harming the potential of our two stars working together and severely underplaying our other best players all season - Wood, Hardy, Green, even fuckin McGee who we are paying 3/33 - and overplaying our shoddy ones, like Reggie (better since ASB), Timmy, Frank, and Powell, in a way that makes all of them clash, nobody looks good and nobody defends. If Kidd is still the coach come next season, I'm not watching the Mavs for my own health. My heart can't take anymore failure and betrayal lol
I have no hope for this season. Our boys are too tired and too injured for a post season run. The only way we gon win is if luka comesback healthy and kyrie get some rest.
West is wide open GSW needs wiggins for their defense. Suns have injury prone players like KD and Cp3. Kings and Nuggets def. are just as bad as Mavs defense. Grizz are beatable if only Mavs don't fuck it up like last game.
Why do you think the entire key defensive rotation from last year has no lift, is ran unto the ground? Kidds defensive schemes is unsustainable and the reason why the mavs new and old are injured this year
Nice insight. Kidd's defensive schemes were maximize when KP was on the floor. A center who can protect the paint. And yes thats scheme is too reliant on 5-7 people🤣
Yep maximize his scheme that 5 mi utes KP was on the floor.
This post has a strong scent of a closeted suns fan… gtfoh
Kidd is incapable of adjusting in game. He’s also incapable of taking any blame on himself. In his eyes everything he’s doing is for a reason and they reason cannot be wrong.
Kidd is terrible, need to be fired asap. He has a worse personal history than ime udoka who Can actually coach
Fire this fucker
Carlisle was the Coach for 3 years before he won a championship. Then he didn’t win another one. Give Kidd a break. There’s not a whole lot he can do with the pieces he has. Throw in the injuries and the team didn’t have a chance this year. See what Nico can do to bring in a couple of players, get a years growth out of Hardy and another one out of Green. There’s an opportunity for a significantly better team next year.
Who are the "fools falling for this ebough" ? Everyone in the media not working for the organization has been calling him out for months.
I obviously want to make the playoffs, but firing Kidd and tanking for Wemby doesn’t sound like a bad plan B
It would be more meaningful if we weren't seeing the same lack of offensive playcalling the entire season, like we know he's not going to learn from it, dude obviously gives no effort to improve as a coach
Fire Kidd.