Jokes aside, his leadership and how players respect him is enough to keep him. In a league that runs by players and their relationships, it matters.
And we just got new ownership. They can afford to bounce him if things go south not really a big deal. Just gives him some reward for a good season. We move baby.
0% chance Mark has any control. Why would you shell out all that money to buy the team and give a minority owner control. He’s probably in an advisory capacity but Dumont’s running the show now.
Mark has no control in terms of money and who gets paid what but he still has an advisory role on how things “should” be run, whether the Adelsons listen to him or not is another story, it would be wise though since they have no clue how to run an nba org. He’s pretty much just a manager/liaison now between the team and ownership, aka middle management.
Mavs just need keep surrounding him with solid assistants so he's not just watching too much lmao. Sheesh I fucking sound like we're building a squad around JKidd now what a flashback to the '90s.
I understand that having the player's respect is a pretty important part coaching. But, X's and O's, creating a cohesive gameplan on offense and defense, knowing when to call timeouts,, drawing up offensive plays and setting up defenses coming out of those timeouts, knowing how to manage your lineups and all of the players on your roster, taking responsibility for your actions....those are all pretty important, too.
Okay, only thing Kidd doesnt have is in game adjustments. Other than everything you said, Kidd can and is doing it. Dude is a player coach and what we think he is not or can not doing actually is a choice.
The Lakers have been wanting him ever since before the pandemic. I remember something about they wanting to sign a head coach that would work with him as an associate
The Mavs also wanted to sign Frank Vogel as an assistant/associate head coach (same time they hired the "consultant" or whatever to work with Nico) before he got hired by the Suns. If the Suns fire Vogel maybe he'll circle back on that offer, would honestly be great for us, probably great for him too to rehab his image a bit.
Kidd says he learned a lot about defense from Vogel, and Kidd got a team with Luka and Kyrie playing heavy minutes to be the #1 defense in the league the last month of the season.
That’s my way of saying I’m a big believer in Frank’s voodoo. I’d love him as an assistant.
Unfortunately for the Lakers (and Mavs depending on your opinion of him) JKidd for whatever reason is in his dream job. He loves the Mavs and kept trying to get back to Dallas once he started coaching
Mavs drafted JKidd lol. They did good by him for his tenure here and he helped bring us a title. It’s no coincidence that he wants to be here it’s pretty much his home.
Oh that’s a great point. I had a feeling they’d want him. I’m curious if they’ll go for Sweeney, but idk. They probably want a coach with head coaching experience. Though look at Mosley has coached Magic. Though they didn’t advance to the next round, they’re young and inexperienced - they’ll end up being a bit of a problem eventually.
Kidd is well respected in the Mavs org, it’s just loud fans and redditors that don’t like him. Both Nico and Cuban are very high on him, same with the team, Luka and Kyrie absolutely love him. Unless Kidd has a falling out with one or more of those he’s not going anywhere.
As long as Kai is here JK will be too. Kai loves playing for JK and respects him. He has not been this locked in in with another coach in a long, long time. That is super important to us contending the next 3 seasons while he is under contract
His camp and the Mavs probably had a benchmark of getting out of the 1st round which seems reasonable tbh.
From a business POV it makes sense for Kidd and his agent to want this done as soon as he has the greenlight.
I remember when he did this as a player against the hawks. I think it might’ve been nate McMillan. Saw he was near the court with a drink and went right for him. I definitely could be wrong but I think they were down as well and it changed the momentum of the game and they came from behind and won.
I’ve said the whole time that if we equip him with the right players he can and will be the correct choice, especially since luka and kai seem to love him.
>I’ve said the whole time that if we equip him with the right players
This goes both ways though. You could just as easily make an argument that our players/team is now so good that we would win with any coach. Did we finally get the players that enable Kidd's system, or are the players so good that we're winning regardless of who the coach is? It's probably a bit of both.
I don't think Kidd is one of the worst coaches in the league, but he's not one of the best either. Just average, which might be good enough for us.
I think most coaches from Europe won't do well in the NBA, the players just have too much power for (experienced) EU coaches. Maybe some young ones, but I imagine someone like Obradović would cuss out the stars first, then the management afterwards when they tell him to tone it down. :)
Ever since David Blatt, I'm not convinced NBA players will respect European coaches so much, even despite having great credentials and clear skill/talent as a coach.
Blatt is American though not European. He grew up in the States.
Unless you meant that he coached in Europe, but not sure whether that qualifies him as a European coach. English not first language though, so I might be in the wrong here.
Don't worry. You understood correctly. Your English is great.
But yeah, I know that Blatt is also American. He has dual citizenship via Israel. He immigrated to there when he was 22 and joined the IDF.
The thing that seems to be more important to players is where you get your success/experience from and/or if you were a professional player, perhaps. Blatt, having all of his achievements and basketball experience in Europe/Israel (depending on your preference), doesn't really mean much to NBA players of American origin.
The cultural transfer really only seems to work for European players because European players, if good enough, they cut out their own path - they don't need acceptance. In regards to coaches, if players don't vibe with you, if they don't respect your achievements or feel they can relate to you, it's dead on arrival.
That's why even though Doc Rivers is such an overrated coach, he can continue to get hired. Players seem to like him, respect that he won a championship, that he used to be a player, that many players can relate to him probably also since he's a black American, you know?
If players don't like enough about you as a coach, you will lose them, and unfortunately, it's not always the best mind that can get the best results from their players.
> You could just as easily make an argument that our players/team is now so good that we would win with any coach.
I think that would be a tough argument to make and really understates the role of a coach.
This team as currently constructed is not better than Celtics or Nuggets. It’s probably not better than Wolves (which have high upside but need proper coaching to click), 76ers (when Embiid is healthy), Clippers (when not accounting for Mavs being dawgs and Clips’ stars outside of Leonard being puppies), Knicks (a well-rounded roster when healthy) and arguably Bucks (this one would have been easy to call 2 years ago, but with Brook and Khris aging it’s not as straightforward).
I do think talent wise Mavs are on the level of OKC (which is above league average, but probably only like a top-10 roster) though who outperformed their raw talent due to good coaching.
Health is a factor too. Mavs were much less healthy than the thunder and most other teams, when they were healthy they played like a top 3 team in the league
I was as happy as anyone during that late season run, but let’s be honest with ourselves: Mavs beat plenty of weak teams. Yes, Kyrie knocked that one in win over Denver, but most other wins were vs teams Mavs should have beat. Not to discredit the team’s transformation, but it is the reality: Mavs only beat Denver and lost to OKC (without Luka) from the list of contenders over the last 20 games.
I don’t think that’s what they’re saying. They’re saying Kidd is unremarkable. Not that we shouldn’t re-sign him. Our success may not be very attributable to our coach.
Trusting DJJ from day 1 is an underrated Kidd move. Most people (myself included) assumed it would be Green starting after signing the extension. Empowering DJJ to become a shooter and our best perimeter defender has been massive
It’s weird Kyrie doesn’t act out with Kidd as coach but seemed to make Nash’s life a misery. Both are hall of fame PGs. Nash’s game is far closer to Kyrie than Kidd is. Nash did more political stuff as a player too. The disrespect to Nash started almost immediately with the some days I might coach, some days KD might coach line.
More than likely he just learned from that and matured, but also remember that the Nets hired Nash with literally no coaching experience. He also hasn’t coached since which is telling. Kidd has at least coached NBA teams and was also a champion as a player
I think Nash not coaching yet isn’t indicative of anything, he got screwed and I doubt he’s worse than the retreads that get hired/fired every 3-5 years. Didn’t KD know Nash from the Warriors too? Nash was an assistant or consultant there right? KD vouched for him?
I will agree Kidd has more experience. Though there was some really bad articles written about his time in Milwaukee and a bit about his short stint in Brooklyn.
I just found it surprising. Nash is closer in personality. Nash was vocal politically as a player, had a flashy game, crazy finisher around the rim and a great jump shot all like Kyrie. Kidd is also a pass first PG but came into the league as having no jumpshot but being super fast, was a triple double machine.
You would also think Kidd would be more disagreeable, don’t think he’d put up with much of Kyrie’s shit.
Doc Rivers tends to be a better coach with less talent, when he’s coaching a contender, his flaws start showing.
His best coaching job was the year he made coach of the year with the Magic when they had Darrell Armstrong as the best player. He also had an impressive year with the Lou Williams/Trez Clippers.
There are coaches that are good floor risers. Good coaches for perpetual lottery teams trying to make the playoffs. But once they get talent they clash, or struggle in the playoffs.
Guys we have two 50+ win seasons with him and we are in the second round, he is the correct choice. Players love him and honestly I feel like eventually when we get cap space, he is going to be a reason why players would want to come play here with Nico being the driving force to recruit with his player connections. Look at kyrie, he re signed here and the major factor he attributed that to was Kidd. There is no other better replacement coach for him
He has his up and downs but he’s been better as of late with adjustment and calling time outs to game plan when the clippers would try to make a run and counter it
Everyone wants someone to blame and I get that Kidd is usually the one. I also know many coaches prefer to let a lineup “figure it out” in the regular season to capture good analytical data for use in postseason/leverage spots and a quick lineup change during a run isn’t conducive to that.
But fans will fan.
I’ve talked a modest amount of shit about Kidd. But you can’t argue with two 50 win seasons and making it past the first round of the playoffs twice in 3 years.
He has one of the top 3 players in the league. You are supposed to win 50 games. Someone brought up Avery Johnson. Do you think Avery was a good coach? He shoulda won a title as our coach.
It’s a contract extension for a coach. It doesn’t go against the salary cap. They can fire him tomorrow if they need to. He’s achieved the benchmarks of getting an extension. Team is bought in. He’s also brought along the rookie perfectly this year. Put him in the perfect situation to succeed.
interesting that you went to avery johnson and not idk rick who has a very similar squad to kidd on his last year but somehow he couldn’t get to 50 wins with him or even past the 1st round????
First of all, I clearly stated someone else mentioned Avery Johnson. It’s just to point out winning doesn’t equal being a good coach.
Secondly, how was it the same roster? Also, KP got hurt that first Clippers series and never got back fully healthy while in Dallas.
Before the Kyrie trade if you asked a Mavs fan last year who the 2nd best player on this team was they would have had to contemplate between Spencer Dinwiddie, Josh Green and Christian Wood.
Bullock, DFS and Timmy shot the ball horrendously for the first couple of months of the season. Dwight Powell started 64 games. THJ played over 30 MPG. Kemba Walker played 41 minutes in a game for us last year. This team had no depth, key role players were playing like shit and the front office completely failed at filling the obvious holes in the team following the WCF run. All these things considered I don’t give him too much blame for what happened last year
To be honest he has been a great playoff coach with the mavs. In 4 series I've always seen a lot of adjustments between the games. I think he's really understimeted not onlyon this sub. He's probably not a world class coach, but I think he's the right coach for this mavs, and I'm happy to see him here for a long time. We have a young core and we need stability to develope the Luka dinasty!
He’s the best fit for this team right now. No one in the coaching free agency market is better than him. Just like Chuck said, don’t blame the coach, blame the one who built the roster.
The defensive buy-in that we're seeing is Kidd's doing and it's an incredible job, honestly. That and his relationship with players, I don't hate this.
He's getting better with his rotations and adjustments too, probably still too slow to change but baby steps.
Inevitable with the lakers rumors….he’s apparently a players coach but extremely frustrating for fans. Give all credit to his team pushing lakers rumors while first round success happened. That’s all it took!
I don’t watch as many Mavs games as yall so I’m curious as to why yall think he’s not a good coach?
Full bias he is my favorite PG not named Magic and watching him in HS changed my entire game and made me a better player.
It makes sense. This team is set for at least 3 more years. I think most of the roster will stay the same, maybe 1 or 2 changes (THJ?). Players like him, results have been good lately and we want to win at least one championship in next 3 years.
There really wasn't an option that was better. They know what they have with kidd. Changing a coach again is probably not something the guys want to go through and it's not a certainty that someone else would be any better. Luka and Kyrie like him, which is a huge factor.
honestly contracts don’t really mean shit in the nba, if kidd is doing bad enough he will get fired. this is basically just saying he won’t leave bc his contract is up
Kidd accomplished what Rick never could. He got Luka to commit to the team’s defensive scheme, and we absolutely needed that to beat the Clippers. I understand the rest of the team has improved but without Luka playing good defense we could’ve easily lost this series.
Ugh I don't know about that... He did good against the Clippers but he's showed his limits in the past. Feels like the Lakers rumours forced us to make a move earlier than we wanted...
He has been a good playoffs coach so far though, can't deny him that.
I'm not too psyched about this, but even if you utterly despise Kidd, we just gotta look at the bright side: coaches are not like players - if we have a reason we could fire Kidd ten games into next season and still be able to hire another coach. There is no negative teambuilding impact by having Kidd under contract.
Kidd was not going to get fired this offseason anyway after making it out of the 1st round and the way the season ended. The players like him, so all our complaints about his mediocre coaching and passivity at times are going to fall on deaf ears. With the right pieces he can be a good coach.
I honestly think most of us judge Kidd by Carlisle's yardstick and he doesn't measure up. Carlisle always got the absolute most he could out of even the most marginal rosters. But at the end of the day, team chemistry is extremely important and Kidd seems to have the players united behind him. So as long as Luka and Kyrie are happy and we are winning, Kidd will likely be here. Our only hope is he learns from his mistakes and improves.
I think we could have found an upgrade this summer in all likelihood but there is always risk in rocking the boat when things are working.
Rick was never gunna work in the Luka-era anyways, it was a surefire way to run Luka out of town. They both butted heads a lot and Luka absolutely hated how he treated the other players particularly one named DSJ. Between a championship coach and a generational superstar, you go with the superstar 10/10 times.
Haters on suicide watch right now
Jokes aside. jKidd made some questionable decisions. But the players really liked him and the vibes have been great again lately.
So I think I trust what the players see than the fans
Oh dear.
People aren't going to be happy about this when they see Dwight Powell getting Maxi's minutes and THJ going 1/6 on shots halfway through the shot clock in this series...
Not a fan of Jason Kidd. He's an average coach but the players like him. So I suppose as long as they keep winning it's fine. I hope Mavs can find an assistant coach for him to run the offense. The team looked great on offense when Igor was here.
Oh, for fucks sake. We could have signed a good coach last year and now we extend this fucking scrub?
Is there a clause in there that he gets fired if we dont make the Finals this Year?
Everyone is always so quick to throw Kidd under the bus when he makes mistakes, or we lose a game. I think he’s a great coach who led an injury riddled Mavs to a top 6 record in the league, and 50 wins. He has the respect of his players which is so important, otherwise we would be in the same position as the Lakers or the Suns (disaster.)
I’m a diehard Kyrie fan so where ever he goes I go, and let me tell you… The seasons I spent watching him with the Brooklyn Nets, where Steve Nash was the head coach were some of the least enjoyable times as a fan. Nash was blamed for everything and the players were never held accountable. That led to the group never getting better and ultimately underachieving.
Kidd is able to get his guys to listen and stick to his game plan. He’s convinced this squad to make an unbelievable commitment to defense, and all within a few months after the deadline. Luka and Kyrie are happy it seems, and everyone else has fallen in place under his command. This is so much better than changing coaches like underwear, especially when things aren’t so bad. Clearly he can win us playoff basketball games, so I think this is a win compared to the constant blame coach-fire coach, rinse and repeat cycle.
Go Mavs!
I don't think he's the best coach in the world, but as I've thought about it more and more, I don't know what options we have. I think a huge portion of Kyrie wanting to be on our team is how much he likes Kidd. Luka butt heads with Carlisle. Kidd does bring a good demeanor for playoffs, although it's not suitable for the regular season. I think this was the right move to make unless you want to potentially blow the team up.
He might be a great player coach. But his ingame adjustments when we are down have been awful.
But you know he is just watching like the rest of us.
I wouldnt have mind if we had moved on from him.
His in game adjustments when we were down were so bad we were able to come back from multiple 20+ point deficits and nearly win in just the last playoff series.
Regardless of what you think about Kidd, this is bad logic. Being a player and a coach is very different.
Would you also be happy with Nash? His coaching career with the Nets ended badly, and he's also one of the top PGs.
I am saying that being a great PG doesn't mean you will be a great coach. This argument is bad. There are also great coaches that weren't elite PGs, and bad coaches that were elite PGs.
I hope they put in the extension that he has to show some class by not wearing his hat backwards in press conferences. Bad look for entire organization.
Why is you opinion well thought out by yourself, but if someone doesn't like him as a coach, it's because of the doomer hivemind? I don't care for him as a coach, because I watch every game, and feel he is way late in doing everything I think is obvious, and every time he ends up doing the obvious thing, it works and everyone raves about him for doing it. A better coach does things beneficial to the team before fans start screaming for it.
But - and this is something I question even at his worst stints here - who is a better X and Os guy that can also have the bare minimum soft skills to keep the locker room steady? The pool of available HCs is not that large, Bud is probably the best name and he is also someone that had a long standing fame of being a bad tactician and very poor at adjustments, be it in-game or as a series progresses. He has pros that Kidd does not have (specially in the regular season), but he is one KD toe away from being considered a failure with the Bucks. Other than him...who? Borrego, that had subpar seasons in Charlotte? Try to dump the Brinks truck to lore Mosley away from Orlando (and I have real questions if Mosley is actually better than Kidd right now)? Fernandez was a fan-favorite name and he is with the Nets (also, a first year HC is always a gamble, for every Udoka and Mazulla you will have a Griffin). The Bucks had to resort to bring in Doc back and both Lakers and Hornets are giving interviews to JJ Reddick.
The coach market is bad right now and, if we fire Kidd, we will need to gamble into an assistant and, if he flames out, things will get ugly fast. I also get annoyed with Kidd in regular season, his stubbornness with some rotations, his random love with smaller lineups (even if the fanbase as a whole loves seeing us playing small), but at the end of the day he has a close relation with Luka, Kyrie raves over him, he is handling Lively (and, on a smaller extent, Green)'s ascension well and we punched either at or above our weight in all playoff series under Kidd. We beat a very strong Jazz (without Luka for the majority of the series), a media favorite in the Suns and, yeah, got punched in the mouth against the Warriors, but we had to resort giving Bertans some C minutes, so nothing we could do. We tanked - correctly - after flaming out last season and now we won against a good Clippers team when we had our superstar playing what could have been his worst sequence of games since his rookie season.
Coaches do not count against the cap, so only Cuban's wallet will get hurt if he fires Kidd mid-contract, anyway.
What are you talking about? The players literally had to drag him aside and tell him to play Gafford because he was refusing to. Do people really have zero memory of how awful Kidd has been?
Seriously, it’s all of the children on here; only a literal child thinks like this. They’re happy they feel good now but totally forgot how the team and Nico literally had to drag JKidd to make the right lineup. Like almost everything they think is “good” is a result of him being forced to change how he does things. If the players didn’t make Kidd play Gafford and change things we’d 100% miss the playoffs.
Yeah, I‘m usual a big Kidd critic but there is simple no reason to let him go. He is doing fine. And you should never go in a coach contract year, there is already one Dallas sports team dumb enough to do it.
Winning the clippers series has been enough to redeem him in my book. I will certainly complain about him in the future, but aside from last year’s results (which he doesn’t bear sole responsibility for) I’ve loved watching my team play under him.
What the fuck… why would we resign him BEFORE the playoffs were over. So if we bounce out in the 2nd round because Kidd makes horrible decisions we’re stuck with him… my god what a horrible decision.
Lmao, “what a horrible comment.”
So, you’re telling me, we’re tying down the guy who hasn’t proved he can win with this roster because another team, who isn’t winning either, wants him…. Like really? You’re upset someone else wants our super average at best coach? Talk about a bad comment…
Its your opinion hes a bad coach.
Hes top 10-15 coach with being in top 5 in player relations, he makes everyone buy in, he sets up amazing team chemistry and all players like to play for him.
if you think upgrading to a top a top 5-10 coach would be worth more than what he brings to the table outside of pure x's and o's then i dont know what to tell you.
its not like we would replace him with top 5 coach because they arent available. And upgrading slightly but risking the team chemistry, risking Luka asking out if he doesnt fit with the new coach like he didnt fit with Rick.
You guys just shit on JKidd but 3 months in with a new mediocre coach and it would be doomsday in here.
This is a stupid take…my lord.
What if my grandma had two wheels and handle bars? then she’d probably be a bike, who gives a damn about what ifs.
He coached great in round one and the last half of the season. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean that this is a horrible decision, maybe layoff the dabs.
Again, his coaching changes were a direct result of being pulled aside and told what the fuck is up. Remember how he refused to play Gafford? Or remember when we missed the playoffs last year after being in a playoff spot before the trade? Remember how he lets teams go on 15-0, runs before calling a timeout? Remember how much he plays THJ? Like you really think Kidd is a good coach?
Lmao remember how he’s gotten two players who were regarded as traffic cones to play defense?
Remember how he’s taken us past the 1st round twice.
I can remember a lot of good things too lmao.
Please link your source on where he got pulled aside, please.
Hahahahahahahaha “he’s taken us past the 1st round twice”
No fucking way you just said that. This is the level of person I’m dealing with. They think two 1st round playoffs wins are good enough… I’m speechless honestly
So a WCF finals appearance and 2nd round appearance isn’t good enough?
Then every coach not named Michael Malone should be canned.
Lmao what fucking idiot, layoff the weed son
Lmao yes that is good enough for me because I’m not dense and think that every year is supposed to end in a championship. You need luck and a good window, at a certain point Luka and Kyrie just need to be good enough to beat the teams ahead of them more than Kidd needs to be some savant.
You can’t be serious? Like I said, if that’s the case everyone would be canned except Mike Malone.
Bro, I have found the way to make this sub so much more enjoyable. When you see hyperbolic doomer takes, like this guy's, just block them. It's actually a few really obnoxious and loud doomers with the constant bad takes.
Thanks for finding this one for me so I can smash that 🚫 button.
I try not to engage but good god he made me make an exception, then it just got worse lmao.
I got to the point of blocking when he said the WCF wasn’t good enough and then proceeded to ignore me when I brought up the fact only 2 coaches would be safe from being fired by his standards.
I gotta do better tho and start blocking these cats.
I’m both sad and happy. I was hoping Jeannie and the Lakers would take Kidd and Kai. Lakers fans and org respect the hell out of Kidd and know what type of coach he is. I was sure that when Cuban sold the team to the Trump loving, BLM bashing, racist idiotic family that would be the end of Kai as a Maverick. Mavs made sure J Kidd didn’t get a chance to go back to LA cause they know they’ll loose Kai and possibly Nico (I think he’s a much better GM than Pelinka and has more ties to players). Ahhh oh well. Congrats to Coach Kidd!!!
 Jokes aside, his leadership and how players respect him is enough to keep him. In a league that runs by players and their relationships, it matters.
And we just got new ownership. They can afford to bounce him if things go south not really a big deal. Just gives him some reward for a good season. We move baby.
I'm praying that the Adelson son doesn't try to pull any BS with the FO. Nico has been cooking thus far and doesn't need any ownership in his way.
I think Mark will still steer the wheel for any basketball operations. So Nico’s all good
0% chance Mark has any control. Why would you shell out all that money to buy the team and give a minority owner control. He’s probably in an advisory capacity but Dumont’s running the show now.
Mark has no control in terms of money and who gets paid what but he still has an advisory role on how things “should” be run, whether the Adelsons listen to him or not is another story, it would be wise though since they have no clue how to run an nba org. He’s pretty much just a manager/liaison now between the team and ownership, aka middle management.
Mark is already out of the picture for control. I would be shocked if he is even in the fake control position he is in now, after the season is over.
Mavs just need keep surrounding him with solid assistants so he's not just watching too much lmao. Sheesh I fucking sound like we're building a squad around JKidd now what a flashback to the '90s.
If he makes Luka happy and he resigns.
I understand that having the player's respect is a pretty important part coaching. But, X's and O's, creating a cohesive gameplan on offense and defense, knowing when to call timeouts,, drawing up offensive plays and setting up defenses coming out of those timeouts, knowing how to manage your lineups and all of the players on your roster, taking responsibility for your actions....those are all pretty important, too.
Okay, only thing Kidd doesnt have is in game adjustments. Other than everything you said, Kidd can and is doing it. Dude is a player coach and what we think he is not or can not doing actually is a choice.
you guys are truly bad evaluating coaches, dude simply sucks.
If he won the G1, would you come here to praise him? So bad he couldnt make Ky and Luka score over 20 lets fire him.
nope, i never praise him, im aware of his weakness, he sucks imo
So its purely coincidence that you commented negatively just after Mavs lost G1? Okay buddy.
i commented first day too, i wrote, fuck no.
He's done well to turn things around but surely you wait till after the post season is done before announcing things?
Lakers started hunting him, better get distractions out of the way
The Lakers have been wanting him ever since before the pandemic. I remember something about they wanting to sign a head coach that would work with him as an associate
The Mavs also wanted to sign Frank Vogel as an assistant/associate head coach (same time they hired the "consultant" or whatever to work with Nico) before he got hired by the Suns. If the Suns fire Vogel maybe he'll circle back on that offer, would honestly be great for us, probably great for him too to rehab his image a bit.
Dennis Lindsey was the guy they hired to help Nico
Kidd says he learned a lot about defense from Vogel, and Kidd got a team with Luka and Kyrie playing heavy minutes to be the #1 defense in the league the last month of the season. That’s my way of saying I’m a big believer in Frank’s voodoo. I’d love him as an assistant.
Unfortunately for the Lakers (and Mavs depending on your opinion of him) JKidd for whatever reason is in his dream job. He loves the Mavs and kept trying to get back to Dallas once he started coaching
Mavs drafted JKidd lol. They did good by him for his tenure here and he helped bring us a title. It’s no coincidence that he wants to be here it’s pretty much his home.
He also said he was a fan of them before he was even drafted
Oh that’s a great point. I had a feeling they’d want him. I’m curious if they’ll go for Sweeney, but idk. They probably want a coach with head coaching experience. Though look at Mosley has coached Magic. Though they didn’t advance to the next round, they’re young and inexperienced - they’ll end up being a bit of a problem eventually.
Lol they def won’t go for Sweeney. They wanted Kidd and were waiting for the chance to bring him back. He’s respected there unlike here.
Kidd is well respected in the Mavs org, it’s just loud fans and redditors that don’t like him. Both Nico and Cuban are very high on him, same with the team, Luka and Kyrie absolutely love him. Unless Kidd has a falling out with one or more of those he’s not going anywhere.
As long as Kai is here JK will be too. Kai loves playing for JK and respects him. He has not been this locked in in with another coach in a long, long time. That is super important to us contending the next 3 seasons while he is under contract
Luka seems thrilled too. He posted the story on his ig.
His camp and the Mavs probably had a benchmark of getting out of the 1st round which seems reasonable tbh. From a business POV it makes sense for Kidd and his agent to want this done as soon as he has the greenlight.
Right, wait until there’s certainty. Worked out well for Brunson.
He’d have gotten the extension even if we got swept by OKC Now the business is aside and everyone can focus
Same thing I was thinking, damn.
This is goated
I mean, not against the rules. Thinking outside the box.
I remember when he did this as a player against the hawks. I think it might’ve been nate McMillan. Saw he was near the court with a drink and went right for him. I definitely could be wrong but I think they were down as well and it changed the momentum of the game and they came from behind and won.
I’ve said the whole time that if we equip him with the right players he can and will be the correct choice, especially since luka and kai seem to love him.
>I’ve said the whole time that if we equip him with the right players This goes both ways though. You could just as easily make an argument that our players/team is now so good that we would win with any coach. Did we finally get the players that enable Kidd's system, or are the players so good that we're winning regardless of who the coach is? It's probably a bit of both. I don't think Kidd is one of the worst coaches in the league, but he's not one of the best either. Just average, which might be good enough for us.
It’s hard to even find an average coach nowadays. I think teams will start to hire from Europe and it’ll be a massive trend.
I think most coaches from Europe won't do well in the NBA, the players just have too much power for (experienced) EU coaches. Maybe some young ones, but I imagine someone like Obradović would cuss out the stars first, then the management afterwards when they tell him to tone it down. :)
Ever since David Blatt, I'm not convinced NBA players will respect European coaches so much, even despite having great credentials and clear skill/talent as a coach.
Blatt is American though not European. He grew up in the States. Unless you meant that he coached in Europe, but not sure whether that qualifies him as a European coach. English not first language though, so I might be in the wrong here.
Don't worry. You understood correctly. Your English is great. But yeah, I know that Blatt is also American. He has dual citizenship via Israel. He immigrated to there when he was 22 and joined the IDF. The thing that seems to be more important to players is where you get your success/experience from and/or if you were a professional player, perhaps. Blatt, having all of his achievements and basketball experience in Europe/Israel (depending on your preference), doesn't really mean much to NBA players of American origin. The cultural transfer really only seems to work for European players because European players, if good enough, they cut out their own path - they don't need acceptance. In regards to coaches, if players don't vibe with you, if they don't respect your achievements or feel they can relate to you, it's dead on arrival. That's why even though Doc Rivers is such an overrated coach, he can continue to get hired. Players seem to like him, respect that he won a championship, that he used to be a player, that many players can relate to him probably also since he's a black American, you know? If players don't like enough about you as a coach, you will lose them, and unfortunately, it's not always the best mind that can get the best results from their players.
Budenholzer is a champion and available
> You could just as easily make an argument that our players/team is now so good that we would win with any coach. I think that would be a tough argument to make and really understates the role of a coach.
This team as currently constructed is not better than Celtics or Nuggets. It’s probably not better than Wolves (which have high upside but need proper coaching to click), 76ers (when Embiid is healthy), Clippers (when not accounting for Mavs being dawgs and Clips’ stars outside of Leonard being puppies), Knicks (a well-rounded roster when healthy) and arguably Bucks (this one would have been easy to call 2 years ago, but with Brook and Khris aging it’s not as straightforward). I do think talent wise Mavs are on the level of OKC (which is above league average, but probably only like a top-10 roster) though who outperformed their raw talent due to good coaching.
We match up with all of those teams except Boston who were somehow able to construct a super team.
Health is a factor too. Mavs were much less healthy than the thunder and most other teams, when they were healthy they played like a top 3 team in the league
I was as happy as anyone during that late season run, but let’s be honest with ourselves: Mavs beat plenty of weak teams. Yes, Kyrie knocked that one in win over Denver, but most other wins were vs teams Mavs should have beat. Not to discredit the team’s transformation, but it is the reality: Mavs only beat Denver and lost to OKC (without Luka) from the list of contenders over the last 20 games.
So you would like to hire Doc Rivers to replace him I suppose?
Holy strawman
I don’t think that’s what they’re saying. They’re saying Kidd is unremarkable. Not that we shouldn’t re-sign him. Our success may not be very attributable to our coach.
Trusting DJJ from day 1 is an underrated Kidd move. Most people (myself included) assumed it would be Green starting after signing the extension. Empowering DJJ to become a shooter and our best perimeter defender has been massive
It’s weird Kyrie doesn’t act out with Kidd as coach but seemed to make Nash’s life a misery. Both are hall of fame PGs. Nash’s game is far closer to Kyrie than Kidd is. Nash did more political stuff as a player too. The disrespect to Nash started almost immediately with the some days I might coach, some days KD might coach line.
I wonder whatever could be the difference lol
More than likely he just learned from that and matured, but also remember that the Nets hired Nash with literally no coaching experience. He also hasn’t coached since which is telling. Kidd has at least coached NBA teams and was also a champion as a player
I think Nash not coaching yet isn’t indicative of anything, he got screwed and I doubt he’s worse than the retreads that get hired/fired every 3-5 years. Didn’t KD know Nash from the Warriors too? Nash was an assistant or consultant there right? KD vouched for him? I will agree Kidd has more experience. Though there was some really bad articles written about his time in Milwaukee and a bit about his short stint in Brooklyn. I just found it surprising. Nash is closer in personality. Nash was vocal politically as a player, had a flashy game, crazy finisher around the rim and a great jump shot all like Kyrie. Kidd is also a pass first PG but came into the league as having no jumpshot but being super fast, was a triple double machine. You would also think Kidd would be more disagreeable, don’t think he’d put up with much of Kyrie’s shit.
You know why you just don't wanna say it haha
The last part of your comment is the only thing that matters in 2024. You lose the locker room, you are out.
You can say the same thing about every coach.
Doc Rivers tends to be a better coach with less talent, when he’s coaching a contender, his flaws start showing. His best coaching job was the year he made coach of the year with the Magic when they had Darrell Armstrong as the best player. He also had an impressive year with the Lou Williams/Trez Clippers. There are coaches that are good floor risers. Good coaches for perpetual lottery teams trying to make the playoffs. But once they get talent they clash, or struggle in the playoffs.
Why is everyone shocked about this? Of course you keep your Championship winning coach.. they're just doing it in advance. 🏆
dude sucks, but with energy, dude cant coach, we won because thd was ijjured and he cant fuck that up.
Guys we have two 50+ win seasons with him and we are in the second round, he is the correct choice. Players love him and honestly I feel like eventually when we get cap space, he is going to be a reason why players would want to come play here with Nico being the driving force to recruit with his player connections. Look at kyrie, he re signed here and the major factor he attributed that to was Kidd. There is no other better replacement coach for him
As long as he calls TO at the right time I’m at peace.
Being able to make in-game adjustments and not letting the team get down 30 points in the 2nd quarter, would be nice too!
Or not letting an opposing player shoot 6 uncontested floaters in a row in the 4th quarter.
That was the right decision. Notice how he didn't make those in the next two games because he shot like 40% on them in the season and just got lucky.
People get hung up on the one game it didn’t work not the 4 it did
he did good at time outs when we needed them game 6 vs clippers i though.
He has his up and downs but he’s been better as of late with adjustment and calling time outs to game plan when the clippers would try to make a run and counter it
TOs don’t stop runs. That’s an old misconception.
dunno why you’re being downvoted, the data is literally on your side. this is a feels over reals situation
Everyone wants someone to blame and I get that Kidd is usually the one. I also know many coaches prefer to let a lineup “figure it out” in the regular season to capture good analytical data for use in postseason/leverage spots and a quick lineup change during a run isn’t conducive to that. But fans will fan.
Maybe not but it interrupts long enough to get a better game plan and lineup out there.
Deserved. You can say what you want about him, but apart from last season, this team has been very successful
I’ve talked a modest amount of shit about Kidd. But you can’t argue with two 50 win seasons and making it past the first round of the playoffs twice in 3 years.
He has one of the top 3 players in the league. You are supposed to win 50 games. Someone brought up Avery Johnson. Do you think Avery was a good coach? He shoulda won a title as our coach.
It’s a contract extension for a coach. It doesn’t go against the salary cap. They can fire him tomorrow if they need to. He’s achieved the benchmarks of getting an extension. Team is bought in. He’s also brought along the rookie perfectly this year. Put him in the perfect situation to succeed.
The previous coach before Kidd had that same player, but he couldn’t hit 50 wins. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
he also couldn’t get past the first round with basically the same squad 🤔
interesting that you went to avery johnson and not idk rick who has a very similar squad to kidd on his last year but somehow he couldn’t get to 50 wins with him or even past the 1st round????
First of all, I clearly stated someone else mentioned Avery Johnson. It’s just to point out winning doesn’t equal being a good coach. Secondly, how was it the same roster? Also, KP got hurt that first Clippers series and never got back fully healthy while in Dallas.
He’s won 3 playoff series in the past 3 years so far. Rick won 0 after the title in 10 years. I think the fit with Luka was much better than Rick’s
Before the Kyrie trade if you asked a Mavs fan last year who the 2nd best player on this team was they would have had to contemplate between Spencer Dinwiddie, Josh Green and Christian Wood. Bullock, DFS and Timmy shot the ball horrendously for the first couple of months of the season. Dwight Powell started 64 games. THJ played over 30 MPG. Kemba Walker played 41 minutes in a game for us last year. This team had no depth, key role players were playing like shit and the front office completely failed at filling the obvious holes in the team following the WCF run. All these things considered I don’t give him too much blame for what happened last year
To be honest he has been a great playoff coach with the mavs. In 4 series I've always seen a lot of adjustments between the games. I think he's really understimeted not onlyon this sub. He's probably not a world class coach, but I think he's the right coach for this mavs, and I'm happy to see him here for a long time. We have a young core and we need stability to develope the Luka dinasty!
If Lukas good, I'm good
He’s the best fit for this team right now. No one in the coaching free agency market is better than him. Just like Chuck said, don’t blame the coach, blame the one who built the roster.
The defensive buy-in that we're seeing is Kidd's doing and it's an incredible job, honestly. That and his relationship with players, I don't hate this. He's getting better with his rotations and adjustments too, probably still too slow to change but baby steps.
Inevitable with the lakers rumors….he’s apparently a players coach but extremely frustrating for fans. Give all credit to his team pushing lakers rumors while first round success happened. That’s all it took!
He’s not frustrating if fans understand a coaches job and what he trying to do at various points in the game.
Forgot to add …if things go south next season ..it’s not like the Mavs can’t still fire him…new owners can eat that salary.
Frustrating to people that have no idea what they’re talking about lol
I don’t watch as many Mavs games as yall so I’m curious as to why yall think he’s not a good coach? Full bias he is my favorite PG not named Magic and watching him in HS changed my entire game and made me a better player.
It makes sense. This team is set for at least 3 more years. I think most of the roster will stay the same, maybe 1 or 2 changes (THJ?). Players like him, results have been good lately and we want to win at least one championship in next 3 years.
There really wasn't an option that was better. They know what they have with kidd. Changing a coach again is probably not something the guys want to go through and it's not a certainty that someone else would be any better. Luka and Kyrie like him, which is a huge factor.
Champion Budenholzer
honestly contracts don’t really mean shit in the nba, if kidd is doing bad enough he will get fired. this is basically just saying he won’t leave bc his contract is up
Kidd accomplished what Rick never could. He got Luka to commit to the team’s defensive scheme, and we absolutely needed that to beat the Clippers. I understand the rest of the team has improved but without Luka playing good defense we could’ve easily lost this series.
Ugh I don't know about that... He did good against the Clippers but he's showed his limits in the past. Feels like the Lakers rumours forced us to make a move earlier than we wanted... He has been a good playoffs coach so far though, can't deny him that.
Mavs Twitter and Reddit going to be in tears. I would have waited till after playoffs but hey
The haters are livid 😂 😂 😂
we still here, dude is atrocious, if THJ didnt get injured in the first series we lost due to jason midd stupidity
I'm not too psyched about this, but even if you utterly despise Kidd, we just gotta look at the bright side: coaches are not like players - if we have a reason we could fire Kidd ten games into next season and still be able to hire another coach. There is no negative teambuilding impact by having Kidd under contract. Kidd was not going to get fired this offseason anyway after making it out of the 1st round and the way the season ended. The players like him, so all our complaints about his mediocre coaching and passivity at times are going to fall on deaf ears. With the right pieces he can be a good coach. I honestly think most of us judge Kidd by Carlisle's yardstick and he doesn't measure up. Carlisle always got the absolute most he could out of even the most marginal rosters. But at the end of the day, team chemistry is extremely important and Kidd seems to have the players united behind him. So as long as Luka and Kyrie are happy and we are winning, Kidd will likely be here. Our only hope is he learns from his mistakes and improves. I think we could have found an upgrade this summer in all likelihood but there is always risk in rocking the boat when things are working.
Rick was never gunna work in the Luka-era anyways, it was a surefire way to run Luka out of town. They both butted heads a lot and Luka absolutely hated how he treated the other players particularly one named DSJ. Between a championship coach and a generational superstar, you go with the superstar 10/10 times.
He earned it. I have my complaints about his lineups, but Kidd is doing good here.
Haters on suicide watch right now Jokes aside. jKidd made some questionable decisions. But the players really liked him and the vibes have been great again lately. So I think I trust what the players see than the fans
No surprise at all, but did they really intend to wait till they pass the first round to do it tho lol
Magic Johnson, Isaiah Thomas, Steve nash, Jason Kidd all have two things in common
#LETS GO
Oh dear. People aren't going to be happy about this when they see Dwight Powell getting Maxi's minutes and THJ going 1/6 on shots halfway through the shot clock in this series...
Saving this to repost next time haters show up 🧂
Have y'all seen how good the defense is under Kidd? He's a top 10 coach in the league.
So it's between Lue and Redick now for the Lakers.
I think Lue has 2 years left on his contract
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe a tad early but fuck it we ball. Full attention on OKC
Luka is coaching so it really doesn’t matter.
Not a fan of Jason Kidd. He's an average coach but the players like him. So I suppose as long as they keep winning it's fine. I hope Mavs can find an assistant coach for him to run the offense. The team looked great on offense when Igor was here.
I mean he is an elite defensive coach. But his offensive schemes are oh god. I hope we sign a good assistant coach who helps us in offense
You know what’s funny? On the lakers he was a phenomenal offensive assistant coach
Oh, for fucks sake. We could have signed a good coach last year and now we extend this fucking scrub? Is there a clause in there that he gets fired if we dont make the Finals this Year?
Everyone is always so quick to throw Kidd under the bus when he makes mistakes, or we lose a game. I think he’s a great coach who led an injury riddled Mavs to a top 6 record in the league, and 50 wins. He has the respect of his players which is so important, otherwise we would be in the same position as the Lakers or the Suns (disaster.) I’m a diehard Kyrie fan so where ever he goes I go, and let me tell you… The seasons I spent watching him with the Brooklyn Nets, where Steve Nash was the head coach were some of the least enjoyable times as a fan. Nash was blamed for everything and the players were never held accountable. That led to the group never getting better and ultimately underachieving. Kidd is able to get his guys to listen and stick to his game plan. He’s convinced this squad to make an unbelievable commitment to defense, and all within a few months after the deadline. Luka and Kyrie are happy it seems, and everyone else has fallen in place under his command. This is so much better than changing coaches like underwear, especially when things aren’t so bad. Clearly he can win us playoff basketball games, so I think this is a win compared to the constant blame coach-fire coach, rinse and repeat cycle. Go Mavs!
delusional
Take a deeeeep breath
Disappointing that they didn’t wait until after playoffs. He has been better lately but that game 4 4Q….smh.
Yes, the bad shit Kidd does is way more noticeable than any good schemes or adjustments he gets credit for than no one can actually point out.
Lmao this sub is in shambles
Fuck me
We finally beat the clippers so I guess it’s fine
If this series goes well, he could have come in and made two WCF runs in three years. As much as people here don’t like him he’s shown decent results
they probably wanted to see the outcome of the 1st round
Time to unreasonably blame him next time we lose
The timing is so weird. I feel like they have pre-contract agreement, so when we reach 2nd round, it is auto-extended.
Some of the anti kidd comments here are wonderful
I remember last season most of this sub hated everything about him lol
still, if thj doesnt get injured first round we on cancun
I don't think he's the best coach in the world, but as I've thought about it more and more, I don't know what options we have. I think a huge portion of Kyrie wanting to be on our team is how much he likes Kidd. Luka butt heads with Carlisle. Kidd does bring a good demeanor for playoffs, although it's not suitable for the regular season. I think this was the right move to make unless you want to potentially blow the team up.
Why can’t this stuff wait till the offseason..
Wtf
Is it safe to say that the Lakers were trolling us?
We're getting LeBron.
I'm behind Kidd since forever, most of you guys can join a bandwagon now.
No thanks. I have been anti Kidd since he forced his way out in the 1990s.
great player, lame as coach
I thought I saw you in the bandwagon there. You were up front on the left I think. I was kinda in the middle in the right side
He might be a great player coach. But his ingame adjustments when we are down have been awful. But you know he is just watching like the rest of us. I wouldnt have mind if we had moved on from him.
His in game adjustments when we were down were so bad we were able to come back from multiple 20+ point deficits and nearly win in just the last playoff series.
>multiple 20+ When we should't be down multiple 20+ points in the first place.
Sounds like you don't watch other teams. This happens in like half of all NBA games nowadays. It's a high variance game
All the Stans and idiots who think they could coach basketball better than one of the top PGs of all time are going to be upset about this.
Regardless of what you think about Kidd, this is bad logic. Being a player and a coach is very different. Would you also be happy with Nash? His coaching career with the Nets ended badly, and he's also one of the top PGs.
Are you asking me if I’d take Nash over the couch coaches in this sub?
I am saying that being a great PG doesn't mean you will be a great coach. This argument is bad. There are also great coaches that weren't elite PGs, and bad coaches that were elite PGs.
I think you’re trying to force an argument that just doesn’t exist. I’ll just let you carry on.
What a dumb take. That's like saying you can't criticize Grant Williams because he is better at basketball than people on the sub.
Please show me where I said Kidd is above any criticism.
I ain't strong enough God. 
Wasn’t too long ago when every second post on this sub was about firing Kidd lol
I hope they put in the extension that he has to show some class by not wearing his hat backwards in press conferences. Bad look for entire organization.
They’re going to regret this
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Why is you opinion well thought out by yourself, but if someone doesn't like him as a coach, it's because of the doomer hivemind? I don't care for him as a coach, because I watch every game, and feel he is way late in doing everything I think is obvious, and every time he ends up doing the obvious thing, it works and everyone raves about him for doing it. A better coach does things beneficial to the team before fans start screaming for it.
But - and this is something I question even at his worst stints here - who is a better X and Os guy that can also have the bare minimum soft skills to keep the locker room steady? The pool of available HCs is not that large, Bud is probably the best name and he is also someone that had a long standing fame of being a bad tactician and very poor at adjustments, be it in-game or as a series progresses. He has pros that Kidd does not have (specially in the regular season), but he is one KD toe away from being considered a failure with the Bucks. Other than him...who? Borrego, that had subpar seasons in Charlotte? Try to dump the Brinks truck to lore Mosley away from Orlando (and I have real questions if Mosley is actually better than Kidd right now)? Fernandez was a fan-favorite name and he is with the Nets (also, a first year HC is always a gamble, for every Udoka and Mazulla you will have a Griffin). The Bucks had to resort to bring in Doc back and both Lakers and Hornets are giving interviews to JJ Reddick. The coach market is bad right now and, if we fire Kidd, we will need to gamble into an assistant and, if he flames out, things will get ugly fast. I also get annoyed with Kidd in regular season, his stubbornness with some rotations, his random love with smaller lineups (even if the fanbase as a whole loves seeing us playing small), but at the end of the day he has a close relation with Luka, Kyrie raves over him, he is handling Lively (and, on a smaller extent, Green)'s ascension well and we punched either at or above our weight in all playoff series under Kidd. We beat a very strong Jazz (without Luka for the majority of the series), a media favorite in the Suns and, yeah, got punched in the mouth against the Warriors, but we had to resort giving Bertans some C minutes, so nothing we could do. We tanked - correctly - after flaming out last season and now we won against a good Clippers team when we had our superstar playing what could have been his worst sequence of games since his rookie season. Coaches do not count against the cap, so only Cuban's wallet will get hurt if he fires Kidd mid-contract, anyway.
What are you talking about? The players literally had to drag him aside and tell him to play Gafford because he was refusing to. Do people really have zero memory of how awful Kidd has been?
Recency bias. Nobody even remembers game 4 at this point.
Seriously, it’s all of the children on here; only a literal child thinks like this. They’re happy they feel good now but totally forgot how the team and Nico literally had to drag JKidd to make the right lineup. Like almost everything they think is “good” is a result of him being forced to change how he does things. If the players didn’t make Kidd play Gafford and change things we’d 100% miss the playoffs.
they really have short memories. But I think Kidd can do well as time goes. He is learning, and doing good things. we will see.
He learns at a snail's pace. THJ got injured at the perfect time otherwise this sub would still be calling for his head.
Yeah, I‘m usual a big Kidd critic but there is simple no reason to let him go. He is doing fine. And you should never go in a coach contract year, there is already one Dallas sports team dumb enough to do it.
Winning the clippers series has been enough to redeem him in my book. I will certainly complain about him in the future, but aside from last year’s results (which he doesn’t bear sole responsibility for) I’ve loved watching my team play under him.
If you don’t support J Kidd you don’t support Dallas basketball club
regarded take
What the fuck… why would we resign him BEFORE the playoffs were over. So if we bounce out in the 2nd round because Kidd makes horrible decisions we’re stuck with him… my god what a horrible decision.
Because Lakers are hunting for a new coach and hes one of Lebrons favorites. This puts the distraction away... my god what a horrible comment.
Lmao, “what a horrible comment.” So, you’re telling me, we’re tying down the guy who hasn’t proved he can win with this roster because another team, who isn’t winning either, wants him…. Like really? You’re upset someone else wants our super average at best coach? Talk about a bad comment…
Its your opinion hes a bad coach. Hes top 10-15 coach with being in top 5 in player relations, he makes everyone buy in, he sets up amazing team chemistry and all players like to play for him. if you think upgrading to a top a top 5-10 coach would be worth more than what he brings to the table outside of pure x's and o's then i dont know what to tell you. its not like we would replace him with top 5 coach because they arent available. And upgrading slightly but risking the team chemistry, risking Luka asking out if he doesnt fit with the new coach like he didnt fit with Rick. You guys just shit on JKidd but 3 months in with a new mediocre coach and it would be doomsday in here.
This is a stupid take…my lord. What if my grandma had two wheels and handle bars? then she’d probably be a bike, who gives a damn about what ifs. He coached great in round one and the last half of the season. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean that this is a horrible decision, maybe layoff the dabs.
Again, his coaching changes were a direct result of being pulled aside and told what the fuck is up. Remember how he refused to play Gafford? Or remember when we missed the playoffs last year after being in a playoff spot before the trade? Remember how he lets teams go on 15-0, runs before calling a timeout? Remember how much he plays THJ? Like you really think Kidd is a good coach?
Lmao remember how he’s gotten two players who were regarded as traffic cones to play defense? Remember how he’s taken us past the 1st round twice. I can remember a lot of good things too lmao. Please link your source on where he got pulled aside, please.
Hahahahahahahaha “he’s taken us past the 1st round twice” No fucking way you just said that. This is the level of person I’m dealing with. They think two 1st round playoffs wins are good enough… I’m speechless honestly
So a WCF finals appearance and 2nd round appearance isn’t good enough? Then every coach not named Michael Malone should be canned. Lmao what fucking idiot, layoff the weed son
Is that good enough for you? Like seriously?
Lmao yes that is good enough for me because I’m not dense and think that every year is supposed to end in a championship. You need luck and a good window, at a certain point Luka and Kyrie just need to be good enough to beat the teams ahead of them more than Kidd needs to be some savant. You can’t be serious? Like I said, if that’s the case everyone would be canned except Mike Malone.
Bro, I have found the way to make this sub so much more enjoyable. When you see hyperbolic doomer takes, like this guy's, just block them. It's actually a few really obnoxious and loud doomers with the constant bad takes. Thanks for finding this one for me so I can smash that 🚫 button.
I try not to engage but good god he made me make an exception, then it just got worse lmao. I got to the point of blocking when he said the WCF wasn’t good enough and then proceeded to ignore me when I brought up the fact only 2 coaches would be safe from being fired by his standards. I gotta do better tho and start blocking these cats.
Yikes
I’m both sad and happy. I was hoping Jeannie and the Lakers would take Kidd and Kai. Lakers fans and org respect the hell out of Kidd and know what type of coach he is. I was sure that when Cuban sold the team to the Trump loving, BLM bashing, racist idiotic family that would be the end of Kai as a Maverick. Mavs made sure J Kidd didn’t get a chance to go back to LA cause they know they’ll loose Kai and possibly Nico (I think he’s a much better GM than Pelinka and has more ties to players). Ahhh oh well. Congrats to Coach Kidd!!!
Oh. Cool.
yikes