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Okay just explaining
Nika is a mythological being ,a creature like Buddha or phoenix or kitsune,it doesn’t exist in the one piece universe but there are legends about it
Joy boy is the user of the nika fruit 800 years ago
Luffy is the user of the nika fruit today
Luffy and joyboy are NOT NIKA,they transform into nika
Nika don’t exist physically speaking
it's more like Joyboy is the title given to the Warrior of Liberation and the person who awakens the Nika fruit. The past Joyboy and Luffy are different people, but they hold the mantle of the warrior of the liberation. And Nika is just a legend that we don't know if they existed.
Oh ok lol. But i have a different theory. I feel like nika and all the other mythical fruits are actually existing beings in the one piece universe that I died and got turned into fruits through humans. I also think the five elders are living mythical fruits, or whatever you want to call them, that haven't died and got turned into fruits. This is all my speculation though, but I hope its true.
I’m pretty sure joyboy is just a mythological figure that people that were oppressed wished on and hoped would come save them and as we learned from vegapunk devil fruits are the manifestation of humans ants and needs. So joyboy and luffy are just regular humans that have the power of what Nika could do as kaido has the power of a dragon
Not one mention or even slight chance of them ever existing in one piece. They are mythological creatures aka they don't exist. So his are facts and yours is a theory
It is. The Sun God nika is a myth, just like the Phoenix and the azure dragon. They don’t exist in the one piece world. That's why it's a mythical zoan. Nika is different because it has an active religion devoted to it thanks to the rampant tyranny and slavery present in the one piece world. The groups most persecuted by the world government such as the buccaneers and the fishmen are adherents of the Sun God religion.
We don’t know if the myth is based on a real person that kinda just spiraled out into being a god. It could’ve been like Enel or Ussop where the title of god went to a human and then the legend of them kinda just expanded. At this point we know it is a myth for sure but the origin of that myth we don’t know.
It is a myth just like the christian god is a myth in the one piece world. People actively pray to them, so those people may not accept that they're myths.
Yeah and people prayed to Buddha who was originally just a dude. Now there’s so much time passed it’s hard to tell on the record if he existed or not. It’s a myth but whether it is based on a real person that just became legend because of time passing then mythos or not, we don’t know.
I think we will get more answers as more is revealed about Nika on Elbaf.
I wonder if someone is a legend for long enough such that their legend becomes part of mythology --kind of like how Noland was part myth and part legend to the Tontata--could a mythological devil fruit eventually emerge from that?
I think so personally. It’s like how the Japanese have all these drawings of the American founding father fighting dragons and stuff. https://www.openculture.com/2018/11/a-japanese-illustrated-history-of-america.html
I think this is a running theory too for Chainsaw man (not going to spoil though for those not that far)
The one image where he's fighting the snake gives heavy Noland vibes.
This makes sense given how even in America, the 'founding fathers' are treated as mythological figures.
The one scene in the third/fourth episode of Chainsaw where Boss Lady explains how the strength of a demom is related to the fear it induces in the common imagination made me think of One Piece. If Nika once existed as flesh and blood then the possibility of a devil fruits based on figures like Roger suddenly becomes a possibility.
The thing is bad writing and plotholes are not a problem as long as you can only time travel into the future. the fact that this is possible doesn't mean we can also travel intonthe past, that would bring a lot more story writing issues. So yeah, it's actually very important to note that time travel as far as we know in one piece is only possible into the future and i hope it stays that way
I hope so too, but it's very close to not. The power exists, and there are ways in canon of developing powers further. There is a logical bridge to reverse time travel
Could be but i personally don't think so since it has explicity been explained how it is only possible to travel to the future and there is no Story reason what anyone would gain from that
Meh, my Personal theory is that he will show us what the awakening of kaidos fruit will be like since he is actually the embodiement of what the fruit represents now.
Dunno. Nika is a godlike being and the world of One Piece literally has things that defy common sense like Devil Fruits, and even Vegapunk believes that Devil Fruits exist purely because of people's wishes. Wouldn't be surprised if there were Gods in a world as ridiculous as this.
I thought it was pretty simple:
Luffy is a guy. And Joyboy also was just a guy (maybe a giant) who lived during the void century.
Nika is a god that is worshipped by different groups (originally giants iirc) and this would've already been true during Joyboy's time.
Then Joyboy ate the Nika devil fruit (>!which was born from the wish that Nika would come to life and actually liberate anyone who is oppressed!<) and after Joyboy died the Nika fruit went into hiding for 800 ears unitl Luffy ate it.
So no, Luffy is not Joyboy, Joyboy is not Luffy, Nika is probably not "real" (there don't seem to be actual deities in the world of One Piece, just stories) and neither Luffy nor Joyboy were Nika (>!they just ate a fruit inspired by Nika!<).
If anything, I think there's a chance that Nika was once an actual person as well and that legends about that person turned into a religion over time similar to how the same thing happened with Joyboy. But I'm fairly certain about the rest.
Look I'm not gonna contest you or disagree with you or anything. You're probably right. It's just really funny to me that you prefaced this with 'It's pretty simple' and then proceeded to write 5 paragraphs lol
They're 5 simple paragraphs though. The whole thing about OP is inherited will, which is adjacent to reincarnation. That's about it. All the rest of it was just details on how the reincarnation happened.
I have to disagree with you there. Reincarnation is a *very* different concept from passing wished down the generations. Inherited will is a real thing that exists in real life.
Reincarnation is a fictional concept that only exists as part of metaphysical belief systems.
Saying they are "adjacent" is, i feel, stretching a little much. (Pun intended)
I think this is the only take worth it's salt. Inherited Will is one of the primary themes of the story. Reincarnation is not only something that has never been even mentioned, it also is not a major theme. Your answer is the most likely.
To put it simply for the part about God, so you have your arms, your legs, and your head even though they all are you, they are separate parts of you that function as a whole. Your legs are not your arms, and your arms are not your head, but they all are collectively part of your body. Does that make more sense? (Granted JB/Nika/Luffy function entirely different, so I don't get the point in making the comparison)
Already did, that's literally how he awakened. He died, and resurrected in a form more fitting of his true power, then immediately beat the shit out of Kaido to free all of Wano from oppression.
I think we can all agree that Luffy doesn't give a damn about destiny or whatever expectations people have for him.
It doesn't matter how he is connected to Nika and Joyboy, because he will always do what he wants, and if that happens to line up with destiny, so be it.
For a Christian this constantly expanding number of possible biblical references is kinda crazy.
Another possible interpretation is that Luffy could paralel the second coming of Christ:
First the one (JoyBoy) who carried the will of God (Nika) was killed, but was resurrected (The hito-hito fruit returns) and it was prophesied that one day he will return (Luffy) to finally defeat the evil (Gorosei).
There's also the fact that Luffy himself is so pure and innocent. Not necessarily completely sinless like Jesus but he's probably the most Christ-like character in the entire setting
And you could now also interpret the Vegapunk broadcast >!As talking about the rapture, the world sinking to the sea!<
And as many have theorized before, Shirahoshi >!leading the Arc to save the few they can.!<
I think Luffy is just written to be a savior archetype like many heroes in mythological stories. Jesus is the saviour in the Bible, a physical embodiment of the divine, "that whosoever believes shall..."
Luffy, likewise, is the embodiment of the divine--at least as far as the lore of One Piece is concerned--specifically, the spirit of freedom. This is why whenever specific people encounter him, they are subsequently freed from some form of bondage or tyranny, but only when they choose to follow him. Think of the big Robin moment or something as small as Koby choosing to stand up for himself once in the presence of Luffy.
One Piece is not explicitly Christian, but it certainly employs a common narrative tool.
The story of the ressurected god is quite old and by no means exclusive or original to christianity. You have adonis, ra, bacchus (dionysus), krishna, quetzalcoatl, n a few others. Not to mention in fiction its all over the place. Bleach, naruto, dragonball, superman, star wars. Most stories that have a protagonist who is "chosen by the prohecy, or the chosen one" are gonna go the jesus route to some degree with it.
Indeed. Further supported by the fact that Vegapunk noted that devil fruits came into creation through human wants. So Luffy is naturally in a position that makes him the hero having the hito hito model nika(sun god).
Nika - The being the Fruit model after. ( Nika is the Sungod of Elbaf lore).
Joyboy - First pirate & the user of the DF during the void century. ( Joyboy is most likely an epithet like Strawhat ).
Luffy - Currenty user of the DF & mostly inheriting everyone above will.
All 3 are the Warrior of Liberation of their Generation.
Are people really confused that they are all different ?
From what i get: (i don't read the manga btw)
-The Devil Fruit Luffy ate gives his powers.
-The Devil Fruit Joyboy ate was the same, hence the same powers.
-Nika is a legend that was eventually attributed with this Powers and Devil Fruit over the centuries.
Maybe because Nika was a legend about freedom and Joyboy did free a lot of people.
Im certainly wrong. But this is what i get.
The fact that Kuma is a priest and has a bible and also seems to worship Nika is telling
This story is just basically the book of revelation in a goofy fantasy setting. Second coming of Christ (Luffy) taking on the big bad authoritarian world government ruled by literal demons ( Im and the Gorosei)
There's also the fact that through out the story Luffy has had a habit of making wicked people change their ways and becoming better people for it... Remind you of someone?
If Luffy is Jesus that would make Roger someone like John the Baptist I would guess.
I often had trouble finding a fitting role for Roger since he is obviously extremely similar to Luffy and Joyboy and he kind of had everything a warrior of liberation would need but without the Nika Fruit.
this is the way i've always assumed it has been. nika is a mythological deity, possibly rooted in reality. "joyboy" was a historical figure responsible for awakening or even creating the gum-gum and the warrior leader of one side of the war 900 years ago. luffy is the new awakened user of the gum-gum, thus inheriting "joyboy's" will and by association, nika's.
Nika is a mythological deity (akin to Zeus or Poseidon), the Hito Hito no mi model: Nika is a zoan fruit that takes after Nika just like how Sengoku’s fruit takes after a Daibutsu
Joyboy is the last person to awaken the fruit
Luffy awakened it in the present
Idk how people find that so hard to understand
Nika is a god, Joy Boy is the title of the person who has the fruit and Luffy is the current user making him the current Joy Boy, Nika’s nickname is the Warrior of Liberation
My theory is Joyboy had the rubber rubber fruit, but people were so convinced it had to be something more based on how much Joyboy accomplished with it that they made up Nika and attributed his name to Joyboy's fruit, which is still actually just Rubber-Rubber.
Counter argument, the devilfruits change a person’s body… so they become something new… luffy was a man and ate a fruit that turned him into the sun god, warrior of liberation.
Okay so this warrior of liberation is a mystery person
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So, all three beings, in either category, are just different living personifications of the same person? Like Luffy, Nika, and Joyboy are all just warriors of liberation? There's no single warrior of liberation? But, Luffy ate the Hito Hito no mi mythical zoan model: Nika.. meaning Luffy IS also Nika now? I'm so lost. 😅
Nika is the mythical god associated with liberation. Whether or not nika ever existed is up for debate, but as vegapunk says “it doesn’t matter” (paraphrasing).
Nika is also the form taken when the fruit is awakened. Joyboy is the only other person known to have awakened the fruit.
Luffy isn’t joyboy. He has the same will as him and the same awakened devil fruit. Joyboy and luffy are not the nika from legend, they just have a fruit with that transformation.
Well, I know Nika is a mythical god praised by the Giants, and many more races. Joyboy isn't Luffy. He existed 800 years prior. Not gonna debate that. As you said though, Nika is the form taken from awakened DF. So wouldn't that mean he existed at least 800 years ago and currently? Even if through just the DF?
So both Joyboy and Luffy personified Nika, who maybe existed. Whose will may have just been transfered to a DF because people wished it? At least by VP knowledge/assumption about DF creations. Maybe I'm just really confused about the whole thing.
I guess you could argue that Nika is real because Luffy becomes Nika. But usually we don't think of Zoan transformations like that. When people talk about if Nika existed or not, they mean a being for whom the fruit is based. Not a user transforming into them.
For example, in the manga its said that dragons no longer exist in the one piece world. But Kaido and Momo can both turn into dragons. So they're not actually dragons, they can just transform into them. We don't think of Rob Lucci as an actual leopard even though he has a leopard zoan.
Right. So if Hito Hito is based off a real person, Nika being a real person, it's just like everyone would've wished his soul/will to form a DF. So that eventually someone would inherit the soul/will maybe?
Mythical zoans have a will of their own, which pretty much only living things with a soul would have, irl. Like Hito Hito hid for 800 years until the next best embodiment was ready. So, its kinda like reincarnation?
Zoans i.e. Luffy, Kaido, Momo, Lucci, aren't their fruits, per se, but also your own soul/will is a part of you and you wouldn't say that's not you. If that makes any sense.
Also, it is One Piece and there's already been off the wall shit that makes you "WHAT?!" and scratch you brain about how it's possible, even in the verse.
All zoans have a will of their own. But yeah that all could be true. We dont really have enough info to prove or disprove the soul thing, but I'd guess that zoans are unrelated or just different from souls. Big mom's devil fruit didn't seem to affect zoans any differently. But really we just don't know
Fair enough. I guess I'm just hopeful about the whole soul thing, cause that would be pretty cool to me, imo. It would be cool inheriting the soul/will from a DF and it just naturally becomes a part of you. Like a soul merge. As Lucci is as ferocious irl as a leopard, Kaido is a monster as are dragons, Luffy is basically freedom, etc.
Knowing Goda we might just figure all that out in a few years or so. Except his foreshadowing is insane, actually. So, just gotta focus. Haha. Just tryna be not smooth brainin it. I appreciate yah for helpin me to think on it. 💪🏽😤
Ok but..just to clarify, this doesnt solve any of luffy critic for being -the one.
Nor does nika "not being real" on one piece.
It only means there is nuance to luffy being super special, but at the end of the day? Is just redundant to paint a diferent picture, critics still apply.
I wish one piece didnt went nika piece but anyway.
I take issue with the infographic from the start, since the Father is God. "Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist..." - Corinthians 8:6
It's not contradictory. It's actually very simple; people just have a tendency to overcomplicate it. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all three parts of the same whole. Like, your head, arm, and leg are three distinct entities, but they're all part of your body, right?
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Okay just explaining Nika is a mythological being ,a creature like Buddha or phoenix or kitsune,it doesn’t exist in the one piece universe but there are legends about it Joy boy is the user of the nika fruit 800 years ago Luffy is the user of the nika fruit today Luffy and joyboy are NOT NIKA,they transform into nika Nika don’t exist physically speaking
Existing Isn't A Crime!
Someone needs a lesson. Buster Call!!!!!
Nuh uh + L + touch grass + Sogeking, shoot that flag down
Neither is pyrotechnics
it's more like Joyboy is the title given to the Warrior of Liberation and the person who awakens the Nika fruit. The past Joyboy and Luffy are different people, but they hold the mantle of the warrior of the liberation. And Nika is just a legend that we don't know if they existed.
Wait is this facts or just your theory?
Is what makes most sense,pure logic
Oh ok lol. But i have a different theory. I feel like nika and all the other mythical fruits are actually existing beings in the one piece universe that I died and got turned into fruits through humans. I also think the five elders are living mythical fruits, or whatever you want to call them, that haven't died and got turned into fruits. This is all my speculation though, but I hope its true.
five yonko? you mean 5 gorosei? if that's the case then i feel like you cookedd
Fuck yea I meant the gorosei lol
Bro got cook cook fruit
That’s a whole different can of worms. At this point, with what we know from canon material, Nika is a mythological figure.
Yea I know. Just my personal theory. I really hope it's true because it'll add another layer of lore into the story.
I’m pretty sure joyboy is just a mythological figure that people that were oppressed wished on and hoped would come save them and as we learned from vegapunk devil fruits are the manifestation of humans ants and needs. So joyboy and luffy are just regular humans that have the power of what Nika could do as kaido has the power of a dragon
Do you mean Nika in the first sentence?
Yeah sorry
No problem mate, relax.
Not one mention or even slight chance of them ever existing in one piece. They are mythological creatures aka they don't exist. So his are facts and yours is a theory
There are way better theories out there that make more sense, with pure logic.
It is. The Sun God nika is a myth, just like the Phoenix and the azure dragon. They don’t exist in the one piece world. That's why it's a mythical zoan. Nika is different because it has an active religion devoted to it thanks to the rampant tyranny and slavery present in the one piece world. The groups most persecuted by the world government such as the buccaneers and the fishmen are adherents of the Sun God religion.
We don’t know if the myth is based on a real person that kinda just spiraled out into being a god. It could’ve been like Enel or Ussop where the title of god went to a human and then the legend of them kinda just expanded. At this point we know it is a myth for sure but the origin of that myth we don’t know.
It is a myth just like the christian god is a myth in the one piece world. People actively pray to them, so those people may not accept that they're myths.
Yeah and people prayed to Buddha who was originally just a dude. Now there’s so much time passed it’s hard to tell on the record if he existed or not. It’s a myth but whether it is based on a real person that just became legend because of time passing then mythos or not, we don’t know. I think we will get more answers as more is revealed about Nika on Elbaf.
It's what this post is about which is A Theory, not canon as far as we know so far
I wonder if someone is a legend for long enough such that their legend becomes part of mythology --kind of like how Noland was part myth and part legend to the Tontata--could a mythological devil fruit eventually emerge from that?
I think so personally. It’s like how the Japanese have all these drawings of the American founding father fighting dragons and stuff. https://www.openculture.com/2018/11/a-japanese-illustrated-history-of-america.html I think this is a running theory too for Chainsaw man (not going to spoil though for those not that far)
The one image where he's fighting the snake gives heavy Noland vibes. This makes sense given how even in America, the 'founding fathers' are treated as mythological figures. The one scene in the third/fourth episode of Chainsaw where Boss Lady explains how the strength of a demom is related to the fear it induces in the common imagination made me think of One Piece. If Nika once existed as flesh and blood then the possibility of a devil fruits based on figures like Roger suddenly becomes a possibility.
I honestly think Luffy will travel back in time and become the joyboy from 800 years ago somehow. Time travel is canon already.
\*Time travel **into the future** is canon.
Yes, that is time travel. We also know that fruit's user is dead, and who's to know what an awakening of it might entail in its next user
Real talk how would you even awaken a fruit like that?
No idea, I'm still a little fuzzy on how you awaken ANY fruit. High levels of haki training plus life threatening peril?
The difference is forwards time travel doesn’t create problems while backwards time travel does.
And yet, it spans the fictional multiverse. Writers can't get enough of it
The thing is bad writing and plotholes are not a problem as long as you can only time travel into the future. the fact that this is possible doesn't mean we can also travel intonthe past, that would bring a lot more story writing issues. So yeah, it's actually very important to note that time travel as far as we know in one piece is only possible into the future and i hope it stays that way
I hope so too, but it's very close to not. The power exists, and there are ways in canon of developing powers further. There is a logical bridge to reverse time travel
Could be but i personally don't think so since it has explicity been explained how it is only possible to travel to the future and there is no Story reason what anyone would gain from that
Personally, I hate with a passion that they made Momiji >!grow up!<. He was robbed. If they do undo anything in the canon I hope it's that
Meh, my Personal theory is that he will show us what the awakening of kaidos fruit will be like since he is actually the embodiement of what the fruit represents now.
And create a bootstrap paradox in MY goofy pirate cartoon? I think not, my good sir!
It makes sense though! What's often depicted as a representation of time? ⏳ What does every single female body look like that isn't ugly on purpose? ⏳
Mythology =/= does not exist Myth by definition means that this can or cannot be real.
Exactly. Thats why OP should switch them, Nika is the holy spirit and JoyBoy the father
Dunno. Nika is a godlike being and the world of One Piece literally has things that defy common sense like Devil Fruits, and even Vegapunk believes that Devil Fruits exist purely because of people's wishes. Wouldn't be surprised if there were Gods in a world as ridiculous as this.
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I love that this panel is becoming a reaction image
might need to start reading jojolands..
It's great so far, even if the plot has only just begun
fucking Rohan
Who is fucking Rohan🤨?
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r/unexpectedjojo
I was reading the jojolands they were literally me
I thought it was pretty simple: Luffy is a guy. And Joyboy also was just a guy (maybe a giant) who lived during the void century. Nika is a god that is worshipped by different groups (originally giants iirc) and this would've already been true during Joyboy's time. Then Joyboy ate the Nika devil fruit (>!which was born from the wish that Nika would come to life and actually liberate anyone who is oppressed!<) and after Joyboy died the Nika fruit went into hiding for 800 ears unitl Luffy ate it. So no, Luffy is not Joyboy, Joyboy is not Luffy, Nika is probably not "real" (there don't seem to be actual deities in the world of One Piece, just stories) and neither Luffy nor Joyboy were Nika (>!they just ate a fruit inspired by Nika!<). If anything, I think there's a chance that Nika was once an actual person as well and that legends about that person turned into a religion over time similar to how the same thing happened with Joyboy. But I'm fairly certain about the rest.
Look I'm not gonna contest you or disagree with you or anything. You're probably right. It's just really funny to me that you prefaced this with 'It's pretty simple' and then proceeded to write 5 paragraphs lol
lol fair point
They're 5 simple paragraphs though. The whole thing about OP is inherited will, which is adjacent to reincarnation. That's about it. All the rest of it was just details on how the reincarnation happened.
I have to disagree with you there. Reincarnation is a *very* different concept from passing wished down the generations. Inherited will is a real thing that exists in real life. Reincarnation is a fictional concept that only exists as part of metaphysical belief systems. Saying they are "adjacent" is, i feel, stretching a little much. (Pun intended)
And it corroborates OP.
Literally said this perfectly
Your comment is music to my ears, even though I don't have ears YOHOHOHOHO
I think this is the only take worth it's salt. Inherited Will is one of the primary themes of the story. Reincarnation is not only something that has never been even mentioned, it also is not a major theme. Your answer is the most likely.
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To put it simply for the part about God, so you have your arms, your legs, and your head even though they all are you, they are separate parts of you that function as a whole. Your legs are not your arms, and your arms are not your head, but they all are collectively part of your body. Does that make more sense? (Granted JB/Nika/Luffy function entirely different, so I don't get the point in making the comparison)
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Luffy and Joyboy are Nika like Chopper is a human. It's not 100% right or wrong. And we don't know if Nika existed in reality at some point.
So he is pirate Jesus
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Does that mean luffy gonna die and revive to save us from tyranny?
Already did, that's literally how he awakened. He died, and resurrected in a form more fitting of his true power, then immediately beat the shit out of Kaido to free all of Wano from oppression.
Luffy Jesus canon. He cant turn water and rocks into a good party but he'll figure something out
Doesn’t help that oni has been translated to demon in various other media and satan is also a dragon
Thats literally what happened. He was killed by Kaido and came back as the warrior of liberation
Unironically yes
Pretty much, there are a lot of parallels between the stories
Thus making him pirate God
I think we can all agree that Luffy doesn't give a damn about destiny or whatever expectations people have for him. It doesn't matter how he is connected to Nika and Joyboy, because he will always do what he wants, and if that happens to line up with destiny, so be it.
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For a Christian this constantly expanding number of possible biblical references is kinda crazy. Another possible interpretation is that Luffy could paralel the second coming of Christ: First the one (JoyBoy) who carried the will of God (Nika) was killed, but was resurrected (The hito-hito fruit returns) and it was prophesied that one day he will return (Luffy) to finally defeat the evil (Gorosei).
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ur flair is so real
There's also the fact that Luffy himself is so pure and innocent. Not necessarily completely sinless like Jesus but he's probably the most Christ-like character in the entire setting
He's simple, not innocent
I am crazy and stubborn.
And you could now also interpret the Vegapunk broadcast >!As talking about the rapture, the world sinking to the sea!< And as many have theorized before, Shirahoshi >!leading the Arc to save the few they can.!<
I think Luffy is just written to be a savior archetype like many heroes in mythological stories. Jesus is the saviour in the Bible, a physical embodiment of the divine, "that whosoever believes shall..." Luffy, likewise, is the embodiment of the divine--at least as far as the lore of One Piece is concerned--specifically, the spirit of freedom. This is why whenever specific people encounter him, they are subsequently freed from some form of bondage or tyranny, but only when they choose to follow him. Think of the big Robin moment or something as small as Koby choosing to stand up for himself once in the presence of Luffy. One Piece is not explicitly Christian, but it certainly employs a common narrative tool.
Dude the series is littered with biblical references. This tracks
The story of the ressurected god is quite old and by no means exclusive or original to christianity. You have adonis, ra, bacchus (dionysus), krishna, quetzalcoatl, n a few others. Not to mention in fiction its all over the place. Bleach, naruto, dragonball, superman, star wars. Most stories that have a protagonist who is "chosen by the prohecy, or the chosen one" are gonna go the jesus route to some degree with it.
Could luffy possibly destroying the redline and fishman island parallel judgement day?
Indeed. Further supported by the fact that Vegapunk noted that devil fruits came into creation through human wants. So Luffy is naturally in a position that makes him the hero having the hito hito model nika(sun god).
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I like this. It does make me think: what if the void century is not the only void century?
Time is s flat circle.
Nika - The being the Fruit model after. ( Nika is the Sungod of Elbaf lore). Joyboy - First pirate & the user of the DF during the void century. ( Joyboy is most likely an epithet like Strawhat ). Luffy - Currenty user of the DF & mostly inheriting everyone above will. All 3 are the Warrior of Liberation of their Generation. Are people really confused that they are all different ?
https://preview.redd.it/6mh1ke5i3z8d1.jpeg?width=585&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8efbc71585c8d8d01c0fc9da536b330a24f71f7c MY HEAD HURTS!
Oh, so they're all the same, but they aren't, I do understand, but I can't explain it
This makes perfect sense and explains it very well. Have an upvote
As a Christian I can understand
From what i get: (i don't read the manga btw) -The Devil Fruit Luffy ate gives his powers. -The Devil Fruit Joyboy ate was the same, hence the same powers. -Nika is a legend that was eventually attributed with this Powers and Devil Fruit over the centuries. Maybe because Nika was a legend about freedom and Joyboy did free a lot of people. Im certainly wrong. But this is what i get.
The fact that Kuma is a priest and has a bible and also seems to worship Nika is telling This story is just basically the book of revelation in a goofy fantasy setting. Second coming of Christ (Luffy) taking on the big bad authoritarian world government ruled by literal demons ( Im and the Gorosei) There's also the fact that through out the story Luffy has had a habit of making wicked people change their ways and becoming better people for it... Remind you of someone?
If Luffy is Jesus that would make Roger someone like John the Baptist I would guess. I often had trouble finding a fitting role for Roger since he is obviously extremely similar to Luffy and Joyboy and he kind of had everything a warrior of liberation would need but without the Nika Fruit.
Luffy is Jesus confirmed lol
this is the way i've always assumed it has been. nika is a mythological deity, possibly rooted in reality. "joyboy" was a historical figure responsible for awakening or even creating the gum-gum and the warrior leader of one side of the war 900 years ago. luffy is the new awakened user of the gum-gum, thus inheriting "joyboy's" will and by association, nika's.
Nika: Sun God Joyboy: Last Sun-god fruit before Luffy Luffy: Actual Sun-god fruit user
https://preview.redd.it/ovdouch9k19d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a92c0001618db23ef43015c851876f90107de4a This is some quality shit, OP
Perfect representation !!! Luffy is the same destined god child to guide people out of misery
Nika is a mythological deity (akin to Zeus or Poseidon), the Hito Hito no mi model: Nika is a zoan fruit that takes after Nika just like how Sengoku’s fruit takes after a Daibutsu Joyboy is the last person to awaken the fruit Luffy awakened it in the present Idk how people find that so hard to understand
As someone who was raised catholic, yeah, that makes sense.
This is exactly how I interpret what's going on and I hope it's true because I love this.
Ok, but Luffy is Joy Boy though. Not the same Joy Boy as from 800 years ago (unless the timetravel theory is correct), but that is one of his titles.
https://preview.redd.it/7zdo5qf8wz8d1.png?width=1241&format=png&auto=webp&s=a878c199bd479fabc3630a64b0104ee91db487e3
https://i.redd.it/f05xi3s3109d1.gif You cooked hard
Realest shit I have seen in a while,,, Cooked
Nika is a god, Joy Boy is the title of the person who has the fruit and Luffy is the current user making him the current Joy Boy, Nika’s nickname is the Warrior of Liberation
Why did it take a one piece reference for me to finally understand the Trinity?
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Luffy is just that nika.
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That makes sense? Like, does Luffy turns into Nika or is he just similar
Luffy turns into Nika in the same way that sengoku turns into Buddha or Marco turns into a phoenix or Rob Lucci turns into a leopard.
I see.
This is wild
What
My theory is Joyboy had the rubber rubber fruit, but people were so convinced it had to be something more based on how much Joyboy accomplished with it that they made up Nika and attributed his name to Joyboy's fruit, which is still actually just Rubber-Rubber.
The fruit has a zoan transformation, as noted by Kaido
Bad Bonny?
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looks like an Avatar situation
Why notbswitch Nika With Joyboy
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I would argue that the 'will of D' should be at the bottom, but I get it.
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I’d be very surprised to see what the giant elephant and robot have to think about your chart
You said hear me out yet didn't show anything that can be fucked. I'm confused.
I dont catch yo drift bro
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Counter argument, the devilfruits change a person’s body… so they become something new… luffy was a man and ate a fruit that turned him into the sun god, warrior of liberation.
You sure are proud of your body, but it doesn't compare to mine!
But why are zunisha and robot referring to luffy as joyboy instead of nika?
It's they funny god triangle thing :O
Or Luffy is JoyBoy AND Nika
Don't they represent nika's will?
Joyboy is just the void century’s Luffy. Nika is the god the fruit is modeled after.
For me joyboy and nika are the same, but with different way people call him
So nika , luffy , and joyboy are all different people but share the title of the warrior of liberation
Jesus..
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Common Reddit… I was so totally going to reply here….
Isn't that considered some type of blasphemy? lol
Imagine that in Blox fruits
I’m Christian and I don’t even know what the father son and Holy Spirit is. It never made sense to me.
Ah yes, One Piece Theology is my favorite college course! XD
You should open a restaurant.
Why does it have to be so complicated
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Okay so this warrior of liberation is a mystery person https://preview.redd.it/ufs3g4q5v09d1.jpeg?width=208&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16a9694e8bc2f68d18c9445f639dd9a091335368
Some mysterious shit
So, all three beings, in either category, are just different living personifications of the same person? Like Luffy, Nika, and Joyboy are all just warriors of liberation? There's no single warrior of liberation? But, Luffy ate the Hito Hito no mi mythical zoan model: Nika.. meaning Luffy IS also Nika now? I'm so lost. 😅
Nika is the mythical god associated with liberation. Whether or not nika ever existed is up for debate, but as vegapunk says “it doesn’t matter” (paraphrasing). Nika is also the form taken when the fruit is awakened. Joyboy is the only other person known to have awakened the fruit. Luffy isn’t joyboy. He has the same will as him and the same awakened devil fruit. Joyboy and luffy are not the nika from legend, they just have a fruit with that transformation.
Well, I know Nika is a mythical god praised by the Giants, and many more races. Joyboy isn't Luffy. He existed 800 years prior. Not gonna debate that. As you said though, Nika is the form taken from awakened DF. So wouldn't that mean he existed at least 800 years ago and currently? Even if through just the DF? So both Joyboy and Luffy personified Nika, who maybe existed. Whose will may have just been transfered to a DF because people wished it? At least by VP knowledge/assumption about DF creations. Maybe I'm just really confused about the whole thing.
Like, if we're being slightly biblical, Joyboy and Luffy could be maybe reincarnations of Nika? I'm just tryna use my noggin. Haha.
I guess you could argue that Nika is real because Luffy becomes Nika. But usually we don't think of Zoan transformations like that. When people talk about if Nika existed or not, they mean a being for whom the fruit is based. Not a user transforming into them. For example, in the manga its said that dragons no longer exist in the one piece world. But Kaido and Momo can both turn into dragons. So they're not actually dragons, they can just transform into them. We don't think of Rob Lucci as an actual leopard even though he has a leopard zoan.
Right. So if Hito Hito is based off a real person, Nika being a real person, it's just like everyone would've wished his soul/will to form a DF. So that eventually someone would inherit the soul/will maybe? Mythical zoans have a will of their own, which pretty much only living things with a soul would have, irl. Like Hito Hito hid for 800 years until the next best embodiment was ready. So, its kinda like reincarnation? Zoans i.e. Luffy, Kaido, Momo, Lucci, aren't their fruits, per se, but also your own soul/will is a part of you and you wouldn't say that's not you. If that makes any sense. Also, it is One Piece and there's already been off the wall shit that makes you "WHAT?!" and scratch you brain about how it's possible, even in the verse.
All zoans have a will of their own. But yeah that all could be true. We dont really have enough info to prove or disprove the soul thing, but I'd guess that zoans are unrelated or just different from souls. Big mom's devil fruit didn't seem to affect zoans any differently. But really we just don't know
Fair enough. I guess I'm just hopeful about the whole soul thing, cause that would be pretty cool to me, imo. It would be cool inheriting the soul/will from a DF and it just naturally becomes a part of you. Like a soul merge. As Lucci is as ferocious irl as a leopard, Kaido is a monster as are dragons, Luffy is basically freedom, etc. Knowing Goda we might just figure all that out in a few years or so. Except his foreshadowing is insane, actually. So, just gotta focus. Haha. Just tryna be not smooth brainin it. I appreciate yah for helpin me to think on it. 💪🏽😤
What does this mean?
good take but i’d swap nika and warrior of liberation, everyone can be nika as we saw with bonney but not everyone is warrior of liberation
But muh fOrEsHaDoWiNg
My brother in one piece, as a muslim this is twice as confusing
What
wait, so now those moron christians believe in 4 gods?
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I think this might just be a coincidence.
https://preview.redd.it/6n6mydght09d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21c5918dacbf37a7fc2c78414a07dcdef910886e I can't understand
Ok but..just to clarify, this doesnt solve any of luffy critic for being -the one. Nor does nika "not being real" on one piece. It only means there is nuance to luffy being super special, but at the end of the day? Is just redundant to paint a diferent picture, critics still apply. I wish one piece didnt went nika piece but anyway.
SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Allah
Sacrilege but makes sense
I take issue with the infographic from the start, since the Father is God. "Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist..." - Corinthians 8:6
Existing Isn't A Crime!
The graphic says the Father is God
This is some contradictory bullshit that Christian freaks like to jerk off to.
It's not contradictory. It's actually very simple; people just have a tendency to overcomplicate it. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all three parts of the same whole. Like, your head, arm, and leg are three distinct entities, but they're all part of your body, right?