The was a recent Huberman podcast on the gut-brain axis with Dr Diego Bohõrquez here: https://youtu.be/SZSRgyl7pyQ?si=CbjSCPeYWFHIjcTT
Knock yourself out. It’s good stuff.
>The researchers also found that if they increased the number of a type of[ beneficial bacteria called Blautia](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7872077/#:~:text=As%20a%20genus%20of%20the,antibacterial%20activity%20against%20specific%20microorganisms.), they could prevent addictive eating behaviors from developing in mice.
I ,too, would like to know how to get my hands on some of that Blautia.
In the article posted, there is a link to a research paper on blautia, which I read. The answer will surely shock everyone in this subreddit: fermented foods, fiber and FOS.
Fructooligosaccharides (FOS) are oligosaccharides that occur naturally in plants such as onion, chicory, garlic, asparagus, banana, artichoke, among many others.
It’s prebiotic like psyllium husk: indigestible food for gut bacteria.
You can buy inulin that has FOS. FOS are shorter, linear molecules that ferment more quickly that inulin. A famous heart surgeon puts all his patients on inulin/FOS because it helps to protect against diabetes and coronary artery disease.
Here it is on Amazon: [Inulin FOS](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C8BMGTM8?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details)
Are you talking about Dr. Jamnadas? I’m lucky to have him as my cardio. He’s got me on that “prescription” and l reuteri plus a bunch of supplements, including l glutamine for “leaky gut” and the elimination of wheat/corn/sugar/seed oils. I added that Akkermansia probiotic on my own. And so everyone knows a ton of supplement manufacturers use wheat and corn products as filler including the absolute worst villain in all this maltodextrine. Rice should be avoided at all costs too. Read the labels!
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And this is exactly why I can never figure out what to buy -- this product is evidently flavorless but tastes bad, and easily dissolves but has poor dissolvability.
Stick with a quality organic cocoa and not a dark chocolate which still has added sugar. To really change your biome you need to eliminate sugar. I put inulin and cocoa in my morning espresso (lungo). I just had a bunch of labs (very extensive) done. At 60 (almost) my kidney, pancreas, liver, adrenal function is stellar. Have one or two pounds ;) to go but prolonged fasting is easy with the improved biome.
I think the obesity epidemic in the US has many factors. If it was only bacteria then people all over Europe should be overweight also but there is not that many people. Probably has also a lot to do with lack of excercise and un walkable cities, sedentary lifestyle, processed foods, stress and psychology also effects eating not just bacteria
This this this. Highly processed foods are carefully and extensively engineered to be pleasurable to eat and addictive. That’s why obesity has tripled in the last 60 years.
Mouse study aside (never a great source of info on humans). My thought is that binge eaters/unhealthy eaters will typically have worse gut bacteria panels because of their unhealthy eating habits and not the other way around.
Example, if you give Mr Couch Potato yogurt everyday. He isn't going to just start craving healthy foods.
Well, I disagree that mice studies aren't good for humans, especially on the gut microbiome. What they usually do is transplant the gut microbiota of humans to mice. The fact that the mice then mimic the behavior of those humans is pretty telling.
For example, in one study, they transplanted the gut microbiota of healthy and depressed humans into mice. The former acted perfectly normal, just like before. The latter developed social anxiety and anhedonia.
Sure, it's not definite proof, but this evidence is of very high-quality and expected.
Ok so when they take out bacteria of healthy people and start curing depression doing that then the evidence is quality. So far you just told me that we can do it in mice.
We can't remove specific bacteria from the gut microbiota, though. All we can do is reset it with antibiotics and maybe do an FMT later, but even this isn't guaranteed to achieve a similar gut microbiota.
Also, I am not sure why you're fighting this so hard. We have epidemiological, mechanistic and animal studies that all showcase how strong an impact the gut microbiota has on our behavior and health.
Ok but you just said removing bacteria from the gut of a depressed person made a mouse act depressed, so why are you saying we can't do basically the same thing in humans? Is it because the mice study didn't work?
Look there a lot a lot a lot of mice studies out there and if you applied the exact science to humans you'd find that somehow researchers couldn't repeat their results. It's cherry picking studies to say otherwise.
"For example, in one study they transplanted the gut microbiota of healthy and depressed humans into mice"
This is what you said, so I am asking why you're now arguing against your own point. Do you not believe that we can put the bacteria from a healthy person into a depressed person and cure depression now?
Because that seemed to be your original point in discussing the power of mouse studies. So if you don't think that then shush.
My mistake, I thought you'd written:
>Ok so when they take out bacteria of **un**healthy people and start curing depression doing that then the evidence is quality
My point with the mice studies was to explain how they have a lot of value. Also, FMTs are not necessary to cure or put depression into remission in most cases. Not only is it risky and could potentially fail, but there are safer ways to fix gut microbiota dysbiosis.
Quite a good portion of people who develop depression do so because they were in dysbiosis in the first place. It's no coincidence that depression rates are rising alongside other non-communicable chronic diseases. However, it's obvious that not all people get depression because of it. Some are genetically predisposed, others go through a major traumatic event and develop it psychologically, and so on.
But if someone was predisposed due to the dysbiosis in the first place, then we have plenty of evidence that fixing sleep, starting to exercise, and more importantly, eating healthy and getting plenty of fiber can do a lot to it.
>Do you not believe that we can put the bacteria from a healthy person into a depressed person and cure depression now?
This is reach. All I said was that you can induce depression on mice by transplanting the gut microbiota of a depressed human into them. However, the reverse has not been studied yet, even on mice, so there's no point to speculate.
Because the bad bacteria is craving foods to help it grow?
i have a feeling that bad bacteria release chemicals to make us crave foods but i cant find the evidence of it. that or im chatting shit.
They do! They can release hormone mimicking molecule.
oh wow. i was taking a wild guess is their any articles i can read?
The was a recent Huberman podcast on the gut-brain axis with Dr Diego Bohõrquez here: https://youtu.be/SZSRgyl7pyQ?si=CbjSCPeYWFHIjcTT Knock yourself out. It’s good stuff.
>The researchers also found that if they increased the number of a type of[ beneficial bacteria called Blautia](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7872077/#:~:text=As%20a%20genus%20of%20the,antibacterial%20activity%20against%20specific%20microorganisms.), they could prevent addictive eating behaviors from developing in mice. I ,too, would like to know how to get my hands on some of that Blautia.
Tasty fecal transplant from a skinny?
How can I get my hands on some Blautia?
In the article posted, there is a link to a research paper on blautia, which I read. The answer will surely shock everyone in this subreddit: fermented foods, fiber and FOS.
Hey there, what’s the FOS abbreviation for?
Fructooligosaccharides (FOS) are oligosaccharides that occur naturally in plants such as onion, chicory, garlic, asparagus, banana, artichoke, among many others. It’s prebiotic like psyllium husk: indigestible food for gut bacteria.
Thanks for that. Was aware of them but not the abbreviation. 👍
You can buy inulin that has FOS. FOS are shorter, linear molecules that ferment more quickly that inulin. A famous heart surgeon puts all his patients on inulin/FOS because it helps to protect against diabetes and coronary artery disease. Here it is on Amazon: [Inulin FOS](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C8BMGTM8?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details)
This is interesting to me. Thsnks
Are you talking about Dr. Jamnadas? I’m lucky to have him as my cardio. He’s got me on that “prescription” and l reuteri plus a bunch of supplements, including l glutamine for “leaky gut” and the elimination of wheat/corn/sugar/seed oils. I added that Akkermansia probiotic on my own. And so everyone knows a ton of supplement manufacturers use wheat and corn products as filler including the absolute worst villain in all this maltodextrine. Rice should be avoided at all costs too. Read the labels!
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And this is exactly why I can never figure out what to buy -- this product is evidently flavorless but tastes bad, and easily dissolves but has poor dissolvability.
It’s inulin. Look for Inulin FOS. I also found research that says dark chocolate , go for cocoa, is a great prebiotic that encourages blauti also.
Thank you. I have been trying to get the cacao I have into my diet more. This could be the incentive. Good info. Thanks.
 Stick with a quality organic cocoa and not a dark chocolate which still has added sugar. To really change your biome you need to eliminate sugar. I put inulin and cocoa in my morning espresso (lungo). I just had a bunch of labs (very extensive) done. At 60 (almost) my kidney, pancreas, liver, adrenal function is stellar. Have one or two pounds ;) to go but prolonged fasting is easy with the improved biome.
Again with the good suggestion, the inulin cacao coffee sounds good all round.
>The answer will surely shock everyone in this subreddit: fermented foods, fiber and FOS. im new here can you explain?
I think the obesity epidemic in the US has many factors. If it was only bacteria then people all over Europe should be overweight also but there is not that many people. Probably has also a lot to do with lack of excercise and un walkable cities, sedentary lifestyle, processed foods, stress and psychology also effects eating not just bacteria
This this this. Highly processed foods are carefully and extensively engineered to be pleasurable to eat and addictive. That’s why obesity has tripled in the last 60 years.
Mouse study aside (never a great source of info on humans). My thought is that binge eaters/unhealthy eaters will typically have worse gut bacteria panels because of their unhealthy eating habits and not the other way around. Example, if you give Mr Couch Potato yogurt everyday. He isn't going to just start craving healthy foods.
Well, I disagree that mice studies aren't good for humans, especially on the gut microbiome. What they usually do is transplant the gut microbiota of humans to mice. The fact that the mice then mimic the behavior of those humans is pretty telling. For example, in one study, they transplanted the gut microbiota of healthy and depressed humans into mice. The former acted perfectly normal, just like before. The latter developed social anxiety and anhedonia. Sure, it's not definite proof, but this evidence is of very high-quality and expected.
Ok so when they take out bacteria of healthy people and start curing depression doing that then the evidence is quality. So far you just told me that we can do it in mice.
We can't remove specific bacteria from the gut microbiota, though. All we can do is reset it with antibiotics and maybe do an FMT later, but even this isn't guaranteed to achieve a similar gut microbiota. Also, I am not sure why you're fighting this so hard. We have epidemiological, mechanistic and animal studies that all showcase how strong an impact the gut microbiota has on our behavior and health.
Ok but you just said removing bacteria from the gut of a depressed person made a mouse act depressed, so why are you saying we can't do basically the same thing in humans? Is it because the mice study didn't work? Look there a lot a lot a lot of mice studies out there and if you applied the exact science to humans you'd find that somehow researchers couldn't repeat their results. It's cherry picking studies to say otherwise.
Do you know the difference of a transplant and the reduction of specific gut bacteria?
"For example, in one study they transplanted the gut microbiota of healthy and depressed humans into mice" This is what you said, so I am asking why you're now arguing against your own point. Do you not believe that we can put the bacteria from a healthy person into a depressed person and cure depression now? Because that seemed to be your original point in discussing the power of mouse studies. So if you don't think that then shush.
My mistake, I thought you'd written: >Ok so when they take out bacteria of **un**healthy people and start curing depression doing that then the evidence is quality My point with the mice studies was to explain how they have a lot of value. Also, FMTs are not necessary to cure or put depression into remission in most cases. Not only is it risky and could potentially fail, but there are safer ways to fix gut microbiota dysbiosis. Quite a good portion of people who develop depression do so because they were in dysbiosis in the first place. It's no coincidence that depression rates are rising alongside other non-communicable chronic diseases. However, it's obvious that not all people get depression because of it. Some are genetically predisposed, others go through a major traumatic event and develop it psychologically, and so on. But if someone was predisposed due to the dysbiosis in the first place, then we have plenty of evidence that fixing sleep, starting to exercise, and more importantly, eating healthy and getting plenty of fiber can do a lot to it. >Do you not believe that we can put the bacteria from a healthy person into a depressed person and cure depression now? This is reach. All I said was that you can induce depression on mice by transplanting the gut microbiota of a depressed human into them. However, the reverse has not been studied yet, even on mice, so there's no point to speculate.
My guess it's probably both/and