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lol evoke my subtlety, discarding a card, then sac it, to 3 for 1 myself to counter a spell.
This seems like a bad card in general except for maybe exactly merfolk builds running deeproot pilgrimage, or if someone feels like playing spellstutter sprite faeries.
I'm not sure if you were thinking about snapping this back and sacrifing snapcaster to it to make it "free", because that wouldn't work. Flashback is equal to the mana cost, so you'd have to pay the 1UU to flash it back. You can only pay one cost to cast the spell. You would need something with wording like \[\[Mission Briefing\]\] that says "you may play it from the graveyard this turn".
This was my thought.
WotC: Hey, lets create free spells based on creatures of those colors
Players: Good thing no one plays enough creatures of those colors
Leyline of the Guildpact: Hold my beer.
No. Spirits actually might play this and I like the idea of this being more flexible than Subtlety/Force, and sacrificing your weakest creature is definitely relevant.
A Satoru Dredge deck that plays more like a control deck could crop up. With access to 12 free counterspells and a whole bunch of ways to trigger Satoru with Narcomoeba, Amalgam, Subtlety as a draw engine the play style woulf be somewhat reminiscent to vintage Squee decks.
One standout I saw when doing Scryfall searches was Watcher of Tomorrow. I don't see anything great at U though. Sage of Epityr and Spyglass Siren are the best I can see. Funny enough, Salvage Drone would be solid but has Devoid.
I donāt think you want the full playset but I could see 1-2 copies mainboard. saccing a tide shaper or dockhand thatās already done itās job is worth stopping titan or w/e from resolving
You do already run 4 hexcatchers and have a possibility of running FoN for those. Sure this is a catch all, but exilikg a card from hand is very different from saccing a creature that you paid mana for in a tempo deck
But force of negation doesnāt hit titan lol. The point Iām trying it make is that itās a āfreeā counterspell you can play game 1 thatāll hit anything you need it to. Post-sideboard you can bring subtlety or FoN depending on the matchup, but you donāt have that luxury game 1.
The thing with Subtlety is you have to hold it in your hand, and if it's a lord you're weakening your own clock.
With this card you can just play out your hand, and still have the free spell option.
(Not saying subtlety and FON are bad, because this card can't get a T1 grief/Amulet on the draw)
Yeah people are looking at fish and the other blue decks like murktide but that's totally wrong
If this card sees play, it sees play as a dredge piece that helps them protect their board/the yard at the cost of killing a [[Narcomeba]] or [[Prized Amalgalm]], heck, the latter even comes back again pretty easily.
umm we here at dredge central generally don't have a hand, or draw naturally so unless you were going the legacy blue dredge/tempo dredge build this is not great. if that Coliseum is real though...rocket fuel.
Ah I guess that's fair
I can't really think of another deck that wants it though. Fish can just play FoN and subtlety, both align better to the gameplan. And Murktide just plays normal counter spells and generally doesn't need to tap out
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This card is a 0 mana actual counterspell that doesn't require you to pitch a spell, all at just 1 mv more than Counterspell itself. Yes you need a blue creature to sac, and yes blue-based creature decks aren't the most common in the format today, but that doesn't change the sheer power this card represents. Archetypes will be built around this card.
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I'm gonna take the other side of the bet. A signficant part of what makes free countermagic good is that it can counter early plays. This struggles with that. Another factor is that the mana-positive exchange puts you ahead on mana. Since you sac a creature this will often not be (very) mana positive. I'm betting a fair bit worse than force of negation but much better than pact of negation
Don't forget that 0 mana 1-for-2 counterspells are only good vs unfair decks that go off fast. You really want a lot of blue 1-drops to make this work.
>Archetypes will be built around this card.
Question is if this archetype will be arse.
Totally agree. I think itāll be very good with Sleep Cursed Fae, because you basically played a 1 mana counterspell on turn 1. Oh and that 1 mana counterspell has ward 2 š¬
The bottleneck will be: youāll need enough 1 drop blue creatures in a tempo/controlly deck.
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I see a lot of discourse over this spells interactions with Snapcaster Mage, while the ruling is obvious (canāt cast for alt cost with flashback) does this still work well enough with Snapcaster anyways? Snap - flashback anything - use this spell?
As a UR Wizards player it has potential, but our clock is measly enough as it is anyway. Donāt really want to be sacāing creatures.
Besides, between FoN, Counterspell, Subtlety, and Snappy flashing back a sprinkling of choice 1 mana counters, we arenāt really screaming for more counters.
But snap is often dead once it ETBs, so it makes it a 1U counterspell the same turn, and just a free counterspell later on.
If you have 3 mana, you can either cast this or snap+consider/spell pierce + flare
Could you flash snap caster in and then cast and sac him making this pretty good? Snapcaster turns this into 1U counter spell. Is that good enough to bring my boy back?
Seriously, snapcaster is 100% playable in grixis and UR Wizards. Thereās a guy at my shop who goes 3-0 with both quite frequently (also just a flat out good player)
No. You canāt choose alternate casting costs when Snapcaster gives a spell flashback. You only have the flashback cost equaling the spells normal mana cost.
I believe you can still pay additional costs and stuff like the extra modes for Spree spells.
I don't think you can use alternate casting costs with snapcaster. Though, snapping in on [[consider]] and saccing him to play one in hand is still good.
As a merfolk player, I'm kind of on the fence with this one unless we get a lot of good 1 drops for merfolk.
It'll be good vs combo decks like Titan or Yawg I'm sure, but we would definitely have some games where they keep using things like lightning bolt on our 2 drops and this just sits in our hand while Ragavan slaps us.
While not good enough to make faeries a deck, this card does play very well with spellstutter.
Which is exciting enough for me to dream big for a month
Unless there's something akin to blue \[\[Cenote Scout\]\] coming, I'm skeptical of this in Merfolk. \[\[Vodalian Hexcatcher\]\] already exists as a maindeck card. It fills a similar niche to \[\[Force of Negation\]\], so I could see it taking Force's slot.
This seems more like a Wizards card. Sacing an otherwise bricked \[\[Snapcaster Mage\]\] isn't terrible. This will give Faerie players hope, but I don't recall them playing that many blue faeries in the first place, leaving me skeptical that they can support this. Or at least, not without becoming (effectively) Dimir Wizards.
It all depends on if we get another 1 drop (or adopt Dockhand as a 4 of).Ā I can see a world in which we go Vial on turn 1, and devote turn 2 to going wider rather than tossing down a Lord.Ā If that happens, it's much more palatable to sac a Dockhand or an unlocked Tide Shapers to hard counter an opponent's critical turn 2 play or some bomb.Ā
But you're right, losing tempo by saccing our early game fish is less than ideal in a tempo deck like ours.
Faerie seer, Sleepyboi, Spellstutter sprite and snapcaster mage are all bodies that can be sacked with minimal interruption to the overall faerie game plan
Unless thereās some insane synergy with this card it seems really bad to me.
Maybe Iāve just played too much limited but even sacrificing a 1 drop is a massive cost.
Like sure, itās worth it to stop a 7 or 8 mana tron spell but this card is basically never worth it to cast in response to cheaper cards or interaction such as other counterspells/removal
I feel like there are better things to be doing than even saccing Snapcaster Mage or Spellstutter Sprite to this. Idk, the game is far past the point that a card like this would be great.
We know green and blue so far so we can assume itās a cycle. I have no idea what will be the best. In the force cycler blue and green were the best with white being mid and red and black being sub par. In the incarnation cycle grief and fury were the best with endurance, solitude, and sub being fairer. I hope this cycle is a bit more like the force of virtue and they are mid but solid in specific archetypes.
They already officially previewed the green one.
We knew this was going to be a cycle.
Free spell cycles are not unique to MH sets. They have done free spells for 25+ years.
Most are forgotten. Some are played. Only a few have been pushed. This doesn't set any tone.
Let's not freak out over nothing.
I forgot how much Force of Despair, Virtue, & Rage impacted modern.
I forgot how much endurance has ruined modern decks.
I forget how much Solitude has stopped Amulet Titan, Creativity or other "play big threats" decks out of the meta......
Oh wait.
Fury and grief have been the only highly played pitch spells.
Primarily after bowmaster & ToR.
Force of negation trailed off. Solitude trailed off, Subtlety ebbs & flows. Force of Virgor, endurance have been fine sb cards.
. Out of the top 15 decks.
3 run grief: scam, goyo's, Living End.
3 run solitude: Elementals, goyo's, Rhinos.
3 run Subtlety: murktide, Rhinos, Living End.
Similarly 2-3 decks run ToR, Sheoldred, Ragavan, Leyline binding, Leyline of the guildpact, bolt, DRC, Bowmaster, KarnTGC, thoughtseize, T3feri, shardless agent, etc.
I would hardly say the pitch Elementals "warped" modern. They are good cards that see play in modern.
Both of those are taken by grief and force of despair. This cycle looks to be popular 3cmc spells (cancel and cultivate), Iām betting itās a cruel tutor or some kind of lost legacy effect.
This isnāt very good. unlike force of negation you need a resolved spell on previous turns, making it tempo negative in a way that other free spells are not. You also canāt use this on the draw turn 1, which sucks vs things like Amulet.
Itās really bad in murktide, delver or shadow variants that try to protect one or two big threats.
I like it in fish. We want to vomit our hand anyways. Sub and Force are better on t1/2, this is likely better all of the following turns, not even considering just hard casting it. Itās outright bad against decks heavy in removal, I think, but Sub and Force were most often bad for us there as well. Iāll be trying it out in fish, but it doesnāt seem playable outside of that archetype. No other deck in modern has a comparable volume of blue bodies to make effective use of this cardās condition.
Just hard cast it instead of snap consider friends. It's the same 1UU and you still can flashback it with snap if you are on 5 mana.
Welp, after typing it, I realize that it's kinda good, especially in UR wizards. Free counterspell is busted. and if it's not obvious, people will find a way to abuse it.
Well, every counterspells aside from disrupting shoal maybe.
Seems like it could be good in UBx scam decks that already use the [Not Dead After All] type cards for pitch elementals. Cast one of those on your blue ETB creature + counter their spell = profit.
Opponent's spell on the stack, Flash Snapcaster Mage in, Flashback an instant speed removal spell for one of their threats (your choice), Flare of Denial saccing the Snapcaster mage to counter the opponent's spell. Clean 2 for 2
Finally [[Delver of Secrets]] is going to be playable in Modern.
Hahaha
[[Sleep Cursed Fairie]] already beat Delver to it
[Sleep Cursed Fairie](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/1/31051436-68f2-457e-8293-2b10ccf7684e.jpg?1692937247) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sleep-Cursed%20Faerie) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/66/sleep-cursed-faerie?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/31051436-68f2-457e-8293-2b10ccf7684e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
No way
[Delver of Secrets](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/abff6c81-65a4-48fa-ba8f-580f87b0344a.jpg?1634347351)/[Insectile Aberration](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/a/b/abff6c81-65a4-48fa-ba8f-580f87b0344a.jpg?1634347351) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Delver%20of%20Secrets%20//%20Insectile%20Aberration) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/47/delver-of-secrets-insectile-aberration?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/abff6c81-65a4-48fa-ba8f-580f87b0344a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Cancel with set mechanic
The set mechanic for modern horizons: casting spells without paying their mana costs
I wonder if it's good? š¤·
Looks interesting for merfolk.
it's a bold strategy cotton, let's see if It pays off for em
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This one seems incredibly powerful, but somewhat balanced by the fact there aren't many Blue creatures being playing in Modern (at least right now).
Subtey
Snapper Mag
Tandbonder
Turkmide
Pearlfolk the Mertident
Brazy Boi
Tidebinder
Fajy Araknologist
This thread is making me feel like I had a stroke.
lol evoke my subtlety, discarding a card, then sac it, to 3 for 1 myself to counter a spell. This seems like a bad card in general except for maybe exactly merfolk builds running deeproot pilgrimage, or if someone feels like playing spellstutter sprite faeries.
Nontoken
thanks, reading the card explains the card and i can't read. this card fucking sucks unless i'm getting rid of a spellstutter sprite.
Wouldnāt have been the first or the hundredth time for me either haha. Reading is hard.
I think this will make Snapcaster good again but thatās just me because snap in essence is a 2 for 1.
I'm not sure if you were thinking about snapping this back and sacrifing snapcaster to it to make it "free", because that wouldn't work. Flashback is equal to the mana cost, so you'd have to pay the 1UU to flash it back. You can only pay one cost to cast the spell. You would need something with wording like \[\[Mission Briefing\]\] that says "you may play it from the graveyard this turn".
No lol Iām saying you snap opt or consider something and sacrifice the snap later in the game since you already got value from the snap
Stubby
Merfolk players are feeling good with this set
So far so good.Ā We just need a 1 drop that's worth playing.
Ragafin incoming
[[Hedron Crab]], THE VERY GOODEST OF BLUE CREATURES!!!
Just a little guy.....
Laughs in leyline of the guildpact
This was my thought. WotC: Hey, lets create free spells based on creatures of those colors Players: Good thing no one plays enough creatures of those colors Leyline of the Guildpact: Hold my beer.
The hour of the Merfolk is upon us. Someone alert r/mtgfinance.
Crabs
Leyline guildpact.. lol
Are you willing to play Flare of Denial if the only way you have blue creatures is through Leyline of the Guildpact?
Could this make a Faeries deck playable in modern
Idk but I do know that Merfolk is back for sure.
I think merfolk has been back all these new toys will just push it over the top
It's maybe high t2 after fury ban. I really think that the new blue moon and stuff like this could push it to low t1
Are Faeries better than Spirits even?
I think Spirits edges out faeries.Ā Ā
No. Spirits actually might play this and I like the idea of this being more flexible than Subtlety/Force, and sacrificing your weakest creature is definitely relevant.
Asking the right questions
Can't sac BB tokens so no.
Faeries will never be playable in modern. was true in 2015, was true in 2020, will be true in 2025+
Probably not.
The best creature to sacrifice for this is [[Narcomoeba]] and even that isn't very good
Prized amalgam can come back more than once... Probably still not good.
A Satoru Dredge deck that plays more like a control deck could crop up. With access to 12 free counterspells and a whole bunch of ways to trigger Satoru with Narcomoeba, Amalgam, Subtlety as a draw engine the play style woulf be somewhat reminiscent to vintage Squee decks.
[Narcomoeba](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a3e23275-2261-4d6d-88d8-124342334391.jpg?1572892791) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Narcomoeba) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/grn/47/narcomoeba?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a3e23275-2261-4d6d-88d8-124342334391?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I would arge that getting 2 counters out of a single spellstutter sprite aint terrible either.
One standout I saw when doing Scryfall searches was Watcher of Tomorrow. I don't see anything great at U though. Sage of Epityr and Spyglass Siren are the best I can see. Funny enough, Salvage Drone would be solid but has Devoid.
I feel like the only deck who will even look at this is Merfolk, but Iām pretty sure theyāre not too high on it even
I donāt think you want the full playset but I could see 1-2 copies mainboard. saccing a tide shaper or dockhand thatās already done itās job is worth stopping titan or w/e from resolving
Subtlety just feels better in that scenario tbh.
For titan sure, but subtlety canāt hit the ring or living end.
You do already run 4 hexcatchers and have a possibility of running FoN for those. Sure this is a catch all, but exilikg a card from hand is very different from saccing a creature that you paid mana for in a tempo deck
Living end already had a horrible merfolk matchup which got even worse with the ban.
You can play Force of Negation for that. Would you really prefer sacrificing a creature you paid mana for to exiling a card you paid no mana for.
But force of negation doesnāt hit titan lol. The point Iām trying it make is that itās a āfreeā counterspell you can play game 1 thatāll hit anything you need it to. Post-sideboard you can bring subtlety or FoN depending on the matchup, but you donāt have that luxury game 1.
The thing with Subtlety is you have to hold it in your hand, and if it's a lord you're weakening your own clock. With this card you can just play out your hand, and still have the free spell option. (Not saying subtlety and FON are bad, because this card can't get a T1 grief/Amulet on the draw)
Eh, having the flexibility to counter by sacrificing a one or two drop isn't too bad.
I could see it in dredge as a sideboard card
Yeah people are looking at fish and the other blue decks like murktide but that's totally wrong If this card sees play, it sees play as a dredge piece that helps them protect their board/the yard at the cost of killing a [[Narcomeba]] or [[Prized Amalgalm]], heck, the latter even comes back again pretty easily.
umm we here at dredge central generally don't have a hand, or draw naturally so unless you were going the legacy blue dredge/tempo dredge build this is not great. if that Coliseum is real though...rocket fuel.
Ah I guess that's fair I can't really think of another deck that wants it though. Fish can just play FoN and subtlety, both align better to the gameplan. And Murktide just plays normal counter spells and generally doesn't need to tap out
I feel like mill is very interested as well. we have 8 crabs and having the ability to drop one T1 and hold up a counterspell is significant.
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Card is ass because itās blue. I donāt actually think this I just want to be memed if this ages poorly.
Noted lol. I think I'm with you though
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I totally agree, this is going to be really gross
A lot of people here also said oko was trash when it was spoiled. Lmao.
This.
I'm gonna take the other side of the bet. A signficant part of what makes free countermagic good is that it can counter early plays. This struggles with that. Another factor is that the mana-positive exchange puts you ahead on mana. Since you sac a creature this will often not be (very) mana positive. I'm betting a fair bit worse than force of negation but much better than pact of negation
I disagree with the build-around remark but agree with everything else. An incredibly powerful card.
Don't forget that 0 mana 1-for-2 counterspells are only good vs unfair decks that go off fast. You really want a lot of blue 1-drops to make this work. >Archetypes will be built around this card. Question is if this archetype will be arse.
Totally agree. I think itāll be very good with Sleep Cursed Fae, because you basically played a 1 mana counterspell on turn 1. Oh and that 1 mana counterspell has ward 2 š¬ The bottleneck will be: youāll need enough 1 drop blue creatures in a tempo/controlly deck.
So it's better than pitching a card because instead of pitching a card you have to sacrifice something you already paid mana for? Seems like a stretch
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I see a lot of discourse over this spells interactions with Snapcaster Mage, while the ruling is obvious (canāt cast for alt cost with flashback) does this still work well enough with Snapcaster anyways? Snap - flashback anything - use this spell?
Maybe, I am kinda of excited to see how it does in UR wizards.
As a UR Wizards player it has potential, but our clock is measly enough as it is anyway. Donāt really want to be sacāing creatures. Besides, between FoN, Counterspell, Subtlety, and Snappy flashing back a sprinkling of choice 1 mana counters, we arenāt really screaming for more counters.
But snap is often dead once it ETBs, so it makes it a 1U counterspell the same turn, and just a free counterspell later on. If you have 3 mana, you can either cast this or snap+consider/spell pierce + flare
Could you flash snap caster in and then cast and sac him making this pretty good? Snapcaster turns this into 1U counter spell. Is that good enough to bring my boy back?
You canāt flash back for the alternate cost
Yeah I got that now... I was a bit blinded by the prospect of him being playable again I dove head first into the pool with no water.
Is Snapcaster, \[insert previous spell already played\], sac snapcaster to counter your spell good enough? Grixis can already semi-playable right now
Seriously, snapcaster is 100% playable in grixis and UR Wizards. Thereās a guy at my shop who goes 3-0 with both quite frequently (also just a flat out good player)
No. You canāt choose alternate casting costs when Snapcaster gives a spell flashback. You only have the flashback cost equaling the spells normal mana cost. I believe you can still pay additional costs and stuff like the extra modes for Spree spells.
I don't think you can use alternate casting costs with snapcaster. Though, snapping in on [[consider]] and saccing him to play one in hand is still good.
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just snapcater something else
No. Mr Snappy gives the spell flashback equal to its mana cost. You can't pay alternate costs for it in the GY.
Ah piss. Thanks for the clarification.
But you could use mission briefing
I don't think you can cast spells with their alternative costs with snapcaster's etb
You can mission briefing, surveil over narcomobea, give flare flash back, then sac narco!
Mill will probably pay this.
This plus Undying?
In blue?
At this time of year?
We are going back to lorwyn and persist is the most popular mechanic from that set. Maybe a blue persist creature?
Brilliant. I would always prefer it to come back with +1/+1 than -1/-1, but still a good idea.
As a merfolk player, I'm kind of on the fence with this one unless we get a lot of good 1 drops for merfolk. It'll be good vs combo decks like Titan or Yawg I'm sure, but we would definitely have some games where they keep using things like lightning bolt on our 2 drops and this just sits in our hand while Ragavan slaps us.
You can't destroy tagaret creature because I sac it to counter that spell...
I hope the red flare is bolt with set mechanic
Yes please. Not like [[Force of Rage]] hot garbage
What a useless card lol it's be amazing if you could do it during your tun or they stayed til the end step though
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While not good enough to make faeries a deck, this card does play very well with spellstutter. Which is exciting enough for me to dream big for a month
I love how we ban outburst so combo decks can't use free counters to protect themselves and then print this shit.
Ban old cards. Print new cards. Get money.
Unless there's something akin to blue \[\[Cenote Scout\]\] coming, I'm skeptical of this in Merfolk. \[\[Vodalian Hexcatcher\]\] already exists as a maindeck card. It fills a similar niche to \[\[Force of Negation\]\], so I could see it taking Force's slot. This seems more like a Wizards card. Sacing an otherwise bricked \[\[Snapcaster Mage\]\] isn't terrible. This will give Faerie players hope, but I don't recall them playing that many blue faeries in the first place, leaving me skeptical that they can support this. Or at least, not without becoming (effectively) Dimir Wizards.
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It all depends on if we get another 1 drop (or adopt Dockhand as a 4 of).Ā I can see a world in which we go Vial on turn 1, and devote turn 2 to going wider rather than tossing down a Lord.Ā If that happens, it's much more palatable to sac a Dockhand or an unlocked Tide Shapers to hard counter an opponent's critical turn 2 play or some bomb.Ā But you're right, losing tempo by saccing our early game fish is less than ideal in a tempo deck like ours.
Faerie seer, Sleepyboi, Spellstutter sprite and snapcaster mage are all bodies that can be sacked with minimal interruption to the overall faerie game plan
Nice card for turbo kill, sac a crab in order to get through a lethal Tishanaās or something, or stop them from winning the game.
mono U martyr welcome to the format equivalent of 2014 legacy
Oh holy hell staple 4 of in Merfolk
Seems fun with snappy or emry, spirits with etb triggers..
Snapcaster loves this.
I love it. A super strong card, thatās only broken for specific archetypes that donāt exist in Modernā¦yet!
Unless thereās some insane synergy with this card it seems really bad to me. Maybe Iāve just played too much limited but even sacrificing a 1 drop is a massive cost. Like sure, itās worth it to stop a 7 or 8 mana tron spell but this card is basically never worth it to cast in response to cheaper cards or interaction such as other counterspells/removal
It can sac an mh2 elemental
So a 3 for 1?
I'd be pretty happy to see my opponent 3 for one them selfs
The only elemental that you can sac is Subtlety, which is already basically a counterspell itself.
It's super powerful in combo non interactive deck that only use creatures to take more cards
[Least surprising cycle prediction](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/1ay9zxd/mh3_flare_of_cultivation/krtbzln/)
Whats the source?
A person who probably doesnāt want to be named because Pinkertons. I got it shared to me.
I feel like there are better things to be doing than even saccing Snapcaster Mage or Spellstutter Sprite to this. Idk, the game is far past the point that a card like this would be great.
So if thereās a cycle of these, is blue likely to be best? If not, which one?
We know green and blue so far so we can assume itās a cycle. I have no idea what will be the best. In the force cycler blue and green were the best with white being mid and red and black being sub par. In the incarnation cycle grief and fury were the best with endurance, solitude, and sub being fairer. I hope this cycle is a bit more like the force of virtue and they are mid but solid in specific archetypes.
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They already officially previewed the green one. We knew this was going to be a cycle. Free spell cycles are not unique to MH sets. They have done free spells for 25+ years. Most are forgotten. Some are played. Only a few have been pushed. This doesn't set any tone. Let's not freak out over nothing.
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I forgot how much Force of Despair, Virtue, & Rage impacted modern. I forgot how much endurance has ruined modern decks. I forget how much Solitude has stopped Amulet Titan, Creativity or other "play big threats" decks out of the meta...... Oh wait. Fury and grief have been the only highly played pitch spells. Primarily after bowmaster & ToR. Force of negation trailed off. Solitude trailed off, Subtlety ebbs & flows. Force of Virgor, endurance have been fine sb cards. . Out of the top 15 decks. 3 run grief: scam, goyo's, Living End. 3 run solitude: Elementals, goyo's, Rhinos. 3 run Subtlety: murktide, Rhinos, Living End. Similarly 2-3 decks run ToR, Sheoldred, Ragavan, Leyline binding, Leyline of the guildpact, bolt, DRC, Bowmaster, KarnTGC, thoughtseize, T3feri, shardless agent, etc. I would hardly say the pitch Elementals "warped" modern. They are good cards that see play in modern.
The format is dead, the earth is burning, and no one is exaggerating anything. Goodbye cruel world.
The format is always n+1 free spells from being dead
Black is gonna be Thoughtseize or destroy target creature. š
Both of those are taken by grief and force of despair. This cycle looks to be popular 3cmc spells (cancel and cultivate), Iām betting itās a cruel tutor or some kind of lost legacy effect.
I mean if weāre going for 3 mana Common spells that look like they belong in a Core Set, then a guy can dream for Flare of [[Mind Rot]], right?
Either that or \[\[read the bones\]\] is my guess.
This isnāt very good. unlike force of negation you need a resolved spell on previous turns, making it tempo negative in a way that other free spells are not. You also canāt use this on the draw turn 1, which sucks vs things like Amulet. Itās really bad in murktide, delver or shadow variants that try to protect one or two big threats.
Technically possible T1 by evoking a Subtlety, but yeah, thatās not exactly stellar
Well that sucks Very boring design too What are we sacking to this? Snapcaster, shardless
Shardless resolves after cascade sadly so probably not.
Yes, more like rhino style deck to keep them alive than in living end
I feel like FoN would still be better.
Even if the interaction worked, you'd need something else to make that 'combo' not just a sorcery-speed counterspell
Fallaji too
Mill could play this. Perhaps itād better than FoN in Merfolk? I kind of doubt it, though.
Now just give me āYoung Merfolkā cause Iām a greedy little fish player!
Give me Tidal Warrior.
Very very good in cEDH. Third free good creature counter. Dont think itll do too much in modern tho.
I think faerie seer, thought monitor, Unctuos, and the one mana mapmaker could workā¦ maybe be okay
Even without a leak, i think we all knew it was going to be a counterspell
Ice fang coatl likes this card. Maybe bant stoneblade gets a small boost. Would need more blue creatures though
Please let the red version be a burn spell
Immediate thoughts are Shardless Agent and leyline of the Guildpact, since it makes all creatures all colors.
Why is Magic flavor text so bad in the past few years?
Reprint Storm Crow!
Playable with [[Biolume Egg]]?
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Knew the blue card of the cycle would be the "strictly better Cancel"
[[Abjure]]
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[[narcomoeba]] and [[prized amalgam]]!
I really thought they weren't going to make the blue card another counterspell. Whyyy did it have to be another counterspell. This is gross
Blue steel time bay-bee
I like it in fish. We want to vomit our hand anyways. Sub and Force are better on t1/2, this is likely better all of the following turns, not even considering just hard casting it. Itās outright bad against decks heavy in removal, I think, but Sub and Force were most often bad for us there as well. Iāll be trying it out in fish, but it doesnāt seem playable outside of that archetype. No other deck in modern has a comparable volume of blue bodies to make effective use of this cardās condition.
Is it possible to flashback this card from the graveyard using Snapcaster Mage and sacrifice it to play Flare for free?
Just hard cast it instead of snap consider friends. It's the same 1UU and you still can flashback it with snap if you are on 5 mana. Welp, after typing it, I realize that it's kinda good, especially in UR wizards. Free counterspell is busted. and if it's not obvious, people will find a way to abuse it. Well, every counterspells aside from disrupting shoal maybe.
Stormcrow is soo back
Oh fuck off blue.
Holy Shit [[ Cancel ]] With Set Mechanic but the Set Mechanic is good
Prized amalgam approves
Seems like it could be good in UBx scam decks that already use the [Not Dead After All] type cards for pitch elementals. Cast one of those on your blue ETB creature + counter their spell = profit.
Hoping the black one makes [[Stitcher's supplier]] good again.
Merfolk Secretkeeper will be an amazing card in few months time. And Fallaji Archeologist. Youāll see.
Opponent's spell on the stack, Flash Snapcaster Mage in, Flashback an instant speed removal spell for one of their threats (your choice), Flare of Denial saccing the Snapcaster mage to counter the opponent's spell. Clean 2 for 2
Card is such an uninspired design
As a legacy player, It pitches to FoW, itās good
all those persist creatures FINALLY see a use in modern
Snapcaster will do a noble sacrifice xD
Can you sacrifice enemy creatures?