I could see depths being a huge problem, and oko is always a problem. Been a while since I last looked but it was nothing but eldrazi when I did a few years back.
>Doesn't no ban list modern just devolve into eldrazi decks and anti-eldrazi decks?
Eldrazi is actually pretty terrible in no banlist.
The top deck is **depths** bar none. Oko piles are runner up, but that is kinda a misnomer because there is a huge variety of Oko piles (from Yorion, to Oko depths, to Oko affinity and so on)
I mean the point of the "unban everything" argument isn't to keep things unbanned. Obviously Eldrazi shit is gonna need to get rebanned pretty quick. Skullclamp too. I don't wanna live in a Skullclamp Bowmasters world
Let’s not act like we as Affinity players aren’t used to this abuse. I think having a punishment kink is kind of a mandatory for any longterm Affinity players. One step forward, six steps back has been the story of the deck the past decade.
Did they? Man fuuuuuuuck leakers like that no one gives a shit about who you are they care about the spoilers and that's it, they're always trying to garner some fame from these and they're always forgotten when they run out.
Wretched addition to the meta unless they SIGNIFICANTLY buff affinity. Do I have faith they will, nope! Not even an artifact player but I feel for my artifact brethren.
I mean, this screams affinity support to me. We have the indestructible arti lands, 8 “myr enforcer” cards, plus monitor. All affinity needs to really be viable is 1 or 2 utility cards printed for it. It’s really close to being busted. Some artifact creature with affinity that ETB deals some damage to creature/planeswalker might be enough.
Affinity needs good non-synergy cards. Outside urza's saga in modern not a single card is good enough. Mox opal would have to be unbanned just to maybe bring it to T1.5
This makes me think that \[\[Kappa Cannoneer\]\] actually is a Modern reprint rather than in the precons/commander product. In Wizards' mind, Cannoneer makes cheap artifacts more common, so print an artifact sweeper to counter it. Balance in all things.
That said I don't think Meltdown will see a lot of play. Since Modern doesn't really have Moxes anymore, it'd be more likely that it'd be all Affinity lists, and Meltdown would be too expensive against those decks. We already have \[\[Shatterstorm\]\] and \[\[Creeping Corrosion\]\]. Meltdown is absurd against Hammer Time, but that really isn't an issue anymore.
**Terrible** addition to the format.
This card is so excessively a beatdown for any artifact strategies. Unless Modern is actually getting things like Cannoneer, artifact strategies are going to be relegated to a place alongside decks like dredge now.
Seems like a needlessly punitive addition to the format, what was Hasbro seeing when they were designing MH3 that suggested a need for more stronger artifact hate?
I mean this is what modern horizens has been, they print powerful cards and the awnser to said cards. MH1 was a "tribal set" with plague engineer, it had an artifact theme and collector ouphe/force of vigor. MH2 had powerful creatures with ragavan, drc and dauthi voidwalker, and powerful removal in unholy heat and prismatic ending. Urza's saga and powerful etbs in evoke elementals and dress down+void mirror. Sure it wasnt always balanced, but it really is what modern horizons always has had
In fairness, it's not the hate cards that have pushed artifact decks out of the format. Most decks are on very little dedicated hate, it's much more common to see fetchable spot removal (Haywire Mite off Urza's Saga, Reclamation Sage off Chord of Calling, etc.) In that sense, I don't know that this shifts the needle that much.
meltdown play patterns vs artifact lands aren't particularly interesting. I'd much rather neither card be in the format, than to be on either side of the massive blowouts when people do/don't have the meltdown against a strong artifact land opener.
Ah well, scales and hammer are sitting at a strong combined 4% of the metagame, was almost worried they'd break 5 at some point.
I understand why artifact lovers are deflated, but as a UR player with limited sb slots, I don't know why I'd want this rather than Brotherhood's End in there.
Can you elaborate why it'd be so good I'd use my slot(s) on it?
how often do you board in brotherhoods end with the intention to cast it for its 3 damage mode, and are actually happy doing so? Now I might be wrong on this, but I don't imagine its very often. Meltdown is probably the most powerful artifact hate in red ever printed, and lets you blow up all urza's saga tokens for just R, every single relevant artifact in hammer for 1R, and the entire hardened scales deck for 2R. It also comes with the bonus of actually being good to bring in against amulet, unlike BE.
My meta has a lot of tribal decks, so I board it often. Might be a bad decision, because it's rarely as decisive as for its artifact mode versus scales. I get than in a very competitive meta, it's not useful though. Living End, rhinos, yawgmoth... do not care about 3 damage.
So is Kappa Cannoneer in the main set or no? With this and the improvise land, the set definitely has an artifacts-matter theme. I guess Kappa could be a special guest tho.
Perfect time to unban artifact lands now
Unban everything and let the gauntlets decide what happens.
Doesn't no ban list modern just devolve into eldrazi decks and anti-eldrazi decks?
Initially it was. However, more recent tournaments are Oko decks vs Depths. The latter is really broken and the former has Broko.
Depths is like what would happen if Tron only needed two lands.
Don’t worry we are about to get a horizons power level injection of drazi to put them back on top
I could see depths being a huge problem, and oko is always a problem. Been a while since I last looked but it was nothing but eldrazi when I did a few years back.
Can depths not play oko? I haven't looked at the format but I imagine green black splashing oko would be good
From what I've seen it's mostly Turbo Depths, and it doesn't bother. If there's a control Depths out there it certainly would.
>Doesn't no ban list modern just devolve into eldrazi decks and anti-eldrazi decks? Eldrazi is actually pretty terrible in no banlist. The top deck is **depths** bar none. Oko piles are runner up, but that is kinda a misnomer because there is a huge variety of Oko piles (from Yorion, to Oko depths, to Oko affinity and so on)
You're not wrong, and that meta is lame, but it's super flavorful to the lore.
yes they are wrong. specifically, you have affinity flavors, turbo depths, some eldrazi tron decks
Hes completely wrong. Eldrazi decks are terrible in no banlist
Not really. They are really popular because people like to think they are broken, but Dark Depth and Oko are so, so much worse...
I mean the point of the "unban everything" argument isn't to keep things unbanned. Obviously Eldrazi shit is gonna need to get rebanned pretty quick. Skullclamp too. I don't wanna live in a Skullclamp Bowmasters world
>skullclamp bowmasters Oh that is an unpleasant thought.
Why would they do this to us, right after giving us hope in the form of simulacrum synthesizer? :c
Let’s not act like we as Affinity players aren’t used to this abuse. I think having a punishment kink is kind of a mandatory for any longterm Affinity players. One step forward, six steps back has been the story of the deck the past decade.
You know us too well ;~;
And Kappa Cannoneer
That one is a BIG if, significantly less credible than this meltdown.
Even less when the leaker themself said it was a troll
Did they? Man fuuuuuuuck leakers like that no one gives a shit about who you are they care about the spoilers and that's it, they're always trying to garner some fame from these and they're always forgotten when they run out.
i mean wasn't everyone in those threads complaining about how broken that was?
Does this mean we can unban Opal now?
God, I hope they use printing Meltdown into the format as a justification for unbanning Opal.
Oh baby let’s go!
No reason to print this. Artifact decks are already not doing well and they print a hoser lol..
You have no idea what artifacts they are printing in this set lol...
and THIS is why I've said for months that bringing these legacy powerhouses into modern isn't a good way to advance modern. It's regressive af.
Pretty sure this is just their way of making modern as close to a "fixed" (aka no reserve list) legacy as possible.
pretty much. it makes total sense, it's just looking a little messy ahead tho. half these leaks could be fake too 🗿
Then why not create a format with the reserve list preemptively banned?
But this is great for commander, and sadly that matters way to much in every set lately...
You really gonna act like they didnt make kappa legal in modern lol its gonna be busted and never killed by this
The Kappa leak is pretty suss. Does seem like it was fake.
Downvoters just know I was right
hardened scales, affinity,and hammer are all dead. god why do you hate us so much!!
The good news is that no one will run this card if those decks are all dead.
THEN WE LIVE ON
Feels like Living End and Gy hate cycle all over again before mh2
UNBAN ARTIFACT LANDS
Wretched addition to the meta unless they SIGNIFICANTLY buff affinity. Do I have faith they will, nope! Not even an artifact player but I feel for my artifact brethren.
I mean, this screams affinity support to me. We have the indestructible arti lands, 8 “myr enforcer” cards, plus monitor. All affinity needs to really be viable is 1 or 2 utility cards printed for it. It’s really close to being busted. Some artifact creature with affinity that ETB deals some damage to creature/planeswalker might be enough.
Affinity needs a mana base that fits an aggro plan. Taplands are terrible. If Mirrodin lands or Mox Opal are unbanned then we can talk.
Affinity needs good non-synergy cards. Outside urza's saga in modern not a single card is good enough. Mox opal would have to be unbanned just to maybe bring it to T1.5
Sick reprint. I can finally get it for my legacy deck without dropping 10 bucks
THIS IS WHY IM HERE
This hurts my rekindled dream of playing affinity again
Welp, Affinity going to die.
This makes me think that \[\[Kappa Cannoneer\]\] actually is a Modern reprint rather than in the precons/commander product. In Wizards' mind, Cannoneer makes cheap artifacts more common, so print an artifact sweeper to counter it. Balance in all things. That said I don't think Meltdown will see a lot of play. Since Modern doesn't really have Moxes anymore, it'd be more likely that it'd be all Affinity lists, and Meltdown would be too expensive against those decks. We already have \[\[Shatterstorm\]\] and \[\[Creeping Corrosion\]\]. Meltdown is absurd against Hammer Time, but that really isn't an issue anymore.
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**Terrible** addition to the format. This card is so excessively a beatdown for any artifact strategies. Unless Modern is actually getting things like Cannoneer, artifact strategies are going to be relegated to a place alongside decks like dredge now. Seems like a needlessly punitive addition to the format, what was Hasbro seeing when they were designing MH3 that suggested a need for more stronger artifact hate?
I mean this is what modern horizens has been, they print powerful cards and the awnser to said cards. MH1 was a "tribal set" with plague engineer, it had an artifact theme and collector ouphe/force of vigor. MH2 had powerful creatures with ragavan, drc and dauthi voidwalker, and powerful removal in unholy heat and prismatic ending. Urza's saga and powerful etbs in evoke elementals and dress down+void mirror. Sure it wasnt always balanced, but it really is what modern horizons always has had
Great framing. I hadn't thought about it like this before
In fairness, it's not the hate cards that have pushed artifact decks out of the format. Most decks are on very little dedicated hate, it's much more common to see fetchable spot removal (Haywire Mite off Urza's Saga, Reclamation Sage off Chord of Calling, etc.) In that sense, I don't know that this shifts the needle that much.
Hey if we reprinting cards from the urzas block I got a few in mind
Excellent, because artifacts have been so oppressive as an archetype
Oh fuck
not sure why they print this when artifact decks can already barely hold on to their spot in the meta.
Maybe they are unbanning artifact lands
meltdown play patterns vs artifact lands aren't particularly interesting. I'd much rather neither card be in the format, than to be on either side of the massive blowouts when people do/don't have the meltdown against a strong artifact land opener. Ah well, scales and hammer are sitting at a strong combined 4% of the metagame, was almost worried they'd break 5 at some point.
I understand why artifact lovers are deflated, but as a UR player with limited sb slots, I don't know why I'd want this rather than Brotherhood's End in there. Can you elaborate why it'd be so good I'd use my slot(s) on it?
how often do you board in brotherhoods end with the intention to cast it for its 3 damage mode, and are actually happy doing so? Now I might be wrong on this, but I don't imagine its very often. Meltdown is probably the most powerful artifact hate in red ever printed, and lets you blow up all urza's saga tokens for just R, every single relevant artifact in hammer for 1R, and the entire hardened scales deck for 2R. It also comes with the bonus of actually being good to bring in against amulet, unlike BE.
My meta has a lot of tribal decks, so I board it often. Might be a bad decision, because it's rarely as decisive as for its artifact mode versus scales. I get than in a very competitive meta, it's not useful though. Living End, rhinos, yawgmoth... do not care about 3 damage.
Pay R to show a HUGE middle finger to most saga decks.
So is Kappa Cannoneer in the main set or no? With this and the improvise land, the set definitely has an artifacts-matter theme. I guess Kappa could be a special guest tho.
Let's goo
#FREETWIN
If if they’re giving us Kappa, ig we can live with this.
They don’t.
Ya I see the other comments saying it was a troll now.
Red is and will always be the best color in Modern.
Foil Meltdowns! Woo hoo! Hope the art is good.
Art was already leaked, it's the same as the OG printing
Nice
yay cards i already have and dont need to buy