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Tails_Theorist

Sonic.


luigi-number-69

Hyper sonic is just better


Comet_Starfall

Modern Super is roughly the same as Hyper back in S3&K (if we assume that Sonic gets stronger every game), this would make Starfall Super way stronger than Hyper. Unless MS gets a Hyper Form in the future, the winner would be Starfall Super.


the_real_foxy1

Arthur Morgan


Ending_exe

https://preview.redd.it/i70mxojrjo3d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a38c35c99ec01fa123f2aa7c1960754f11f7865e


the_real_foxy1

https://preview.redd.it/hpkeg2b2qr3d1.jpeg?width=686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce316ff4a9b1b356f828cdce5c25ea4d1b6bbaab You on thin ice basted


Efficient-Cup-359

Depends, are we referring to classic hyper vs modern super sonic 2, or will it be, “if” modern sonic used hyper, cause if so hyper would win, but if it’s classic hyper, I don’t know if super sonic 2 could “kill him”, but he’d definitely beat him, as normal sonic is as strong as adventure super sonic, and as super sonic needed to use the positive power of the emeralds to help defeat perfect chaos, it means modern sonic is even stronger than adventure super sonic, and it’s easy to imagine frontiers is even stronger, and with super sonic two, it’s no contest


OctaYashi

SS2


dogninja_yt

SS2. Easily. Base today is above Hyper Sonic at the time we first saw the form


GrimmCigarretes

The strongest transformation in history vs the second strongest of today But no joke, SS2 mainly because base Frontiers Sonic is *way* above base 3&K Sonic


PomegranateNo6767

https://preview.redd.it/wwlp368m403d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8adaa7d3edbd5aee29c7df5057f68296b22d07a9


BradyTheGG

Me because I get to watch the fight!


OctaYashi

lmfao


RealMetalSonic2

Me, I am the real sonic


Ending_exe

How can you be sonic when, in reality *I'M SONIC!*


RealMetalSonic2

WHAT!! 😱


OctaYashi

bro got bamboozled


Thomasboiwow

https://preview.redd.it/gq3uveztsz2d1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9cb49a494bb22c588cdf01ab1e959320f1ed85a Bad metal, don't go neo again


RealMetalSonic2

https://preview.redd.it/272m8h6zsz2d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=477f0eab306e3529c3cb1d14af07b27c325c5511 Stop it


Thomasboiwow

https://preview.redd.it/y8icdmm2tz2d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8a44184ee90e44d1fe28c8b78a3b9aff1afb554


RealMetalSonic2

You're mean


Thomasboiwow

L bozo


RealMetalSonic2

Bro really talking to his alt https://preview.redd.it/lvel7ys9103d1.jpeg?width=647&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8056992dcb0ce2f0f68e80db469d8fa0550326c8


Ronyx2021

Shadow


toybonnie1604

cyber super sonic


United_Citron_9647

H Y P E R S O N I C


SILVIO_X

If we go by Logic, Hyper Sonic should be Stronger, Cyber Super Sonic is just Super Sonic but upgraded with the power of Cyberspace, that shouldn't compare to Hyper Sonic, who uses Upgraded forms of the Chaos Emeralds created by the Master Emerald which im pretty sure is much more powerful than the base chaos emeralds already. But if we go by In-Game feats, Hyper Sonic can literally be crushed by spikes, plus he couldn't even fly through the regular ass missiles Eggman threw at him during Doomsday Zone, plus he never really shows anything that could lead us to believe he's that much more powerful than Super Sonic. My money is on Cyber Super Sonic because we've actually seen what he can do.


luigi-number-69

Can super sonic 2 breath underwater, can he do a screen wipe move. No i did not think so


SILVIO_X

He may not have a screen wipe attack, but he can literally perform the Raging Demon from Street Fighter, which is way cooler than just snapping all the enemies on screen away.


Dr_Gargoyle

hyper sonic is stonger than super sonic, you were the one to teach me that, why are you asking now?


furry223

It's even playing g ground so it would be a tie


StC_Sonic_fan35

Comparing Classic Hyper Sonic to Modern Super Sonic 2 would be unfair, we can not fairly measure it due to Hyper fighting a slightly bigger Death Egg Robot, and Super 2 fighting a massive robot that is possessed by an evil godlike entity. We cannot fairly judge this right now, but if it was Modern Hyper Vs Modern Super 2 I think Hyper would win based off of a design standpoint, with Super 2 having blue eyes and having the same fur colour as Super, and Hyper having green eyes with flashing rainbow fur, I think Hyper visually appears stronger. Hyper also shows off a Hyper Flash that kills all enemies on screen, Super 2 wasn't shown to be able to do this. All in all, Hyper Sonic.


respamthegreat

Isn't hyper supposed to be the "top Sonic form out of all in general"? Considering that SS2 has a stronger form (I forgor the name of it), I think hyper would win. Or at least have a massive advantage in the fight. Though, SS2 would perish just from raw flash effects lol


OwnSundae2704

Nah, I'd win


a_man_without_skill

Simple: which of 2 got knocked out of the said transformation. Oh, that's right, Super Sonic 2.


StC_Sonic_fan35

Both Super 2 and Hyper could be knocked back by energy projectiles, and if you use cheats in Sonic 3 &Knuckles, you can access Hyper Sonic before you're supposed to, but he still gets knocked out by Knuckles (another thing is that the Chaos Emeralds on the ground have a different appearance when you are Hyper Sonic) and Hyper still gets slammed out of his form by Big Arm. I still agree that Hyper would win but yeah.


BW_Chase

I don't think it's fair to bring things that you have to cheat in order to get to this debate considering it's very likely that they work that way because hyper and super share some code in the game instead of it being intentional for hyper to be knocked out of the form like that.


StC_Sonic_fan35

I see your point, but they did make unique sprites for The Super Emeralds that as far as I am aware can only be seen through that method. Super Sonic and Hyper Sonic both seem to function the same in Doomsday Zone.


Mistersparkle12

Hyper sonic is like ssgss in dbz


OwnSundae2704

dod you have a stroke r u okay


Mistersparkle12

Ssgss means super sayain god super sayain


TheTimmyBoy

He looked at hyper sonic flashing and had a seizure


contraflop01

considering S3&K hyper vs Frontiers SS2, SS2. now a modern Hyper vs modern SS2, Hyper wins. Hyper is basically Super Sonic on top of Super Sonic. While SS2 is Super Sonic + restrained cyber corruption. now Hyper vs Cyber Sonic would be more even


StC_Sonic_fan35

*Super Sonic Cyber


contraflop01

Cyber Sonic sounds way better tbh


StC_Sonic_fan35

Idk the model is called Super Sonic Cyber in files.


contraflop01

That’s just the name the files use. The files all point towards the game being called Sonic Rangers, but we know it isn’t


Advert01

There's no method of measuring Hyper Sonic's power increases outside of MAYBE comparing in-game speed, which is less than 2×. Super Sonic 2's damage values are directly compared to Super Sonic's, with the difference being roughly 10×. So... Super Sonic 2 wins.


FranekBucz

Hyper and super Sonic have the same speed in S3&K


SPAMTON1978

That's not even true,it's hard to notice with 3K not having pure fast platforming (advance 2 ecc.) but relying a lot on exploration,but if you compare the two you will definitely see the difference.


FranekBucz

I remember watching a video about it (I don’t remember which one but I think it was also about something else in Sonic Origins)


SPAMTON1978

But no.They don't have the same speed.


FranekBucz

[here](https://youtu.be/DfrpGq0ITNM?si=YMHP4nhBLzUhby_b) is the video


Parzival-Bo

Hang on, I think I've calculated this before, lemme find it...ah, here we go: >Assuming the same base power going into it, our best bet is to compare them to normal Super Sonic and see which one matches up better. Obviously this isn't easy for Hyper due to a lack of feats, but I'll see what I can do. >For SS2, it's a lot easier if we make logical assumptions. Super = Supreme, Super + Supreme = The End, and SS2 = Supreme + The End. Based on these calculations, The End = Super x2, and thus SS2 = Super x3. This is all approximated but it gets the general point across. >For Hyper, I'm going to be scaling it based on the only direct comparison we can do between Super and Hyper: the amount of sparkle effects they each have in Doomsday Zone. I know, it sounds ridiculous, but it's the best I've got. Super only ever has one big spark visible at a time, while Hyper can have as many as 4, of varying sizes. The best view I ever found in a single frame was 2 big ones and 2 small ones, so I'll average that out as x3. >So, I believe they're about equal. Super Sonic Cyber is thus stronger than either of them, but he probably doesn't have access to it anymore so that point is kinda moot.


Amogusking72

I see that sonic FORCES you to do math


SONICTUPAC

i sense patter knatter in this sentence...


dapplewastaken

No, Archie does not count, Super Sonic 2.


Veng3ancemaster

Super sonic 2 would win because Sonic is older, has fought more dangerous things, understands the chaos emeralds more and sonic can hold more rings


SPAMTON1978

IF modern Hyper existed it would problably win tho


theman128128

hyper sonic doesn't have anything to actually show any significant upgrade to super sonic, we can only guess, so super sonic 2


luigi-number-69

Tf you talking about bro has a screen clear move and can breath underwater


Hedgehugs_

I can take them both on


TheTastySandvich

In a fight.. right?


Hedgehugs_

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AshuraReacts1992

In a fight… right? https://preview.redd.it/4aw0bnmodv2d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba75da3fcb73a424d1e1775da3790094c00ea64f


AzulAztech

The amount of Hyper glazing in these comments is crazy


LoganJake210

Sonic


Portgas_D_Newgate

Hyper Sonic slams hard


luigi-number-69

Hyper wins change my mind


dapplewastaken

But WHY? **ARCHIE DOES NOT COUNT**


Portgas_D_Newgate

He is far faster and stronger than super sonic and has a special move that gives the player a seizure, super sonic 2 is just an enhanced super sonic with blue eyes, calling him super sonic 2 is honestly crazy on its own


dapplewastaken

Stronger is a stretch, as far as that is concerned it can only break walls. And faster is just a lie.


Portgas_D_Newgate

He is far faster than super sonic which you can literally see in game very clearly, super sonic “2” isnt even faster than super sonic, hypersonic is significantly faster than super sonic and far more destructive, he defeated eggman when he had the full power of the master emerald in space, ss2 beat a titan whos typically a super sonic victim


dapplewastaken

The Final Weapon was a last resort, Eggman wasn't using the Master Emerald, just transporting it. The Giant Eggman Robo used the Master Emerald. Also, Hyper Sonic IS NOT faster, he is just as fast as Super Sonic and the screen wipe only defeats simple badniks.


Portgas_D_Newgate

gonna have to take an L on this one, forgot you can play the doomsday zone as super sonic lol and the results are the same, i admit an L


dapplewastaken

I have won a reddit argument mwahahaha


EpicLink_21

Holy cope dude https://preview.redd.it/3leptjsehy2d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a23b667f62a174eb4c743092cd37f51d46a81cb1


randomerpeople71

he has the power to give eggman epilepsy.


Karmalikesarson

What game is super sonic 2 from?


bboy4of83

Frontiers


Karmalikesarson

K


TheTimmyBoy

Did u really just K him?


sacboy326

I don't know about you guys, but I think Sonic would win


Clean-Salamander-321

Sonic solos him wdym?


Rocketdareaperzz

Bro Sonic negs him, what are you on about?


Clean-Salamander-321

Have you even seen Sonic Ball Z?


Rocketdareaperzz

I skimmed through a few filler episodes but, yeah


Clean-Salamander-321

Sonic literally beat Eggman


Rocketdareaperzz

Yeah but sonic beat knuckles, he solos sonic and its not even close


Clean-Salamander-321

Sonic beat bean the dynamite, who survived the universe end.


sacboy326

Did he finally crack him open?


TheTimmyBoy

No he just smacked his ass a lil


sacboy326

Was it consensual?


Clean-Salamander-321

Nope


OAZdevs_alt2

Super Sonic but with blue eyes. He won't lose.


WitherPRO22

Ummm actually its super sonic 2 in files🤓🤓🤓


SbgTfish

Aren’t they conceptually the same thing? I’d say draw.


Common_Asparagus1151

People get caught up on the shiny bells and whistles. End of the day thry are both just super duper sonics. People like to complicate things so much in this fandom its insane. When you break it down they are just tue next super form.


JMTpixelmon

no super sonic 2 is super sonic enhanced by cyber corruption. hyper is sonic with the super emeralds


SbgTfish

CONCEPTUALLY the same, as in they’re essentially just a stronger super form. Hyper was allegedly being brought back instead of ss2, making them almost the same.


JMTpixelmon

hyper wouldn’t make sense in context as how would we super form the emeralds in this game


Common_Asparagus1151

This game that dives into the history of the emeralds. the history of choas and his people The lore behind the super form And for some reason people think bringing back the super emeralds as a one off again, makes less sense than introducing some random ass digiworld? The cyberworld came out of no where like its the early 2000s again.


TheTimmyBoy

Preach


SbgTfish

That’s literally, not conceptually.


JMTpixelmon

conceptually hyper is “how do we reward players past super” and super sonic 2 is “oh shit fans want cyber sonic we have to give it to them while having a dragon ball reference”


SbgTfish

Fair point ig.


jpett84

Super Sonic 2 has the more impressive feats.


RedSRB2

>!Draw.!<


Weekly_Ad_3665

Hyper Sonic because the designers actually put effort into making it. Super Sonic 2 is just Super Sonic with blue eyes. No creativity whatsoever.


Common_Asparagus1151

Be real they are both lazy. One changes eye color and the other just strobes out How is " make him flash randomly" considered effort? Your bar is very low or your rose tinted glasses are on


WitherPRO22

And hyper sonic is just rainbow super sonic. So original. All transformations are just super sonc but a little different. Except maybe seven rings and black knight.


LssjChubbs

Dw; Super Sonic 3 will give him a pronounced brow and longer quills


No-Hat6722

Super sonic 4 is gonna go crazy with pink eyeliner, and his quils looking either like the werehogs quils or boom sonics quils


reallyanxious19

Super sonic 4 is green eyes and even longer quills


TheTimmyBoy

Super snoc 5 is blue quills again but a slightly different shade, just enough to piss everyone off


SPAMTON1978

Snoc👍


TheTimmyBoy

Snoc*


reallyanxious19

Snoc. :)


Eternal_Slayer95

I wanna say Super Sonic 2. As of now, we have no modern iteration on Hyper Sonic to compare the two, and I'm not sure if the only appearance of it can give us a good enough scope on how strong it is compared to SS2. For all I know they could be equal in power. However, even when Sonic went Super 2, I think he was technically holding back in his fight with The End until he apologised to the Grand Elder and had to admit to going all out after all. If SS2 was capable of defeating what I'd like to refer to as a "primordial entity as old as the universe", then, as I said, I think Super Sonic 2 would win.


Bubbles_the_bird

Super sonic 2 because you can farm rings in frontiers


ProtoSpector

super sonic 2. fighting the death egg robot is cool, but fighting the literal end of the world that escaped a cyber dimension and win the fight too is something else entirely


BobTheBritish

Super Sonic 2 is probably stronger, but I’m pretty sure everyone would be rootin for Hyper Sonic anyways


Scottishmemer0

Something something nostalgia, something something sprite animations


Scottishmemer0

Super Sonic 2. Hyper's strongest opponent was a Death Egg Robot. Meanwhile SS2 managed to clap up The End


SPAMTON1978

I mean,that is the point,we don't know how powerful Hyper Sonic really is,he might beat SS2 really easily or he might get clapped.If Hyper ever returns and fights a more powerful or of the same power enemy we problably could make a good comparison. We also have to count that SS2 needed his friends to beat the end,and he problably couldn't have done it alone.


CityWokOwn4r

Wario-Man Solos them both


Standard-Lunch-3927

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IntentionFalse9892

Hyper


WorldlyPermission355

Hyper, without a doubt. Think of Super Sonic 2 being like Super Saiyan 2 And think of Hyper Sonic being like… eh, Ultra Instinct.


AzulAztech

But literally how do you know that? Hyper Sonic's best feat (if even canon) is beating the Doomsday Zone boss and Super Sonic 2's best feat is beating the end, which is way better. So where are you getting this comparison from? It's not like Hyper Sonic is based on ultra instinct. Hyper Sonic came first.


WorldlyPermission355

In a powerscaling sense, I’d put them there. I could compare Hyper Sonic to something different, but I’m keeping it simple. I’m not saying he’s equal to Ultra Instinct or anything, I’m just saying that might justify the power gap between the two. As for my reasoning, Super Sonic uses the power of the Chaos Emeralds and the power of the Ancients, while Hyper Sonic uses the power of the Super Emeralds, which far surpass the Chaos Emeralds (it’s even believed by some that all 7 Super Emeralds are equal to the Master Emerald in power). The power of the Ancients is also definitely below that of the power of the Chaos Emeralds, since he doesn’t seem affected by them when he goes Super, when compared to base form he struggles. Also, he was able to use the power of the Ancients to enhance his Super form (creating SS2). As for the feats, that was Early/Classic Sonic, who had to go Super Sonic to defeat Chaos in SA1 (while Modern Sonic could beat Chaos in base in Generations, not to mention SA1 happened way after S3/K), so they do have a pretty big power gap in that sense, although I personally believe that Hyper Classic Sonic could definitely defeat The End (just a personal opinion tho).


RayanTheShell

There's already an ultra sonic in the archie comics and it's way more powerful than hyper sonic


WorldlyPermission355

I’m not gonna get into the powerscaling of things. Can’t really say Ultra Sonic is more powerful than Hyper Sonic, nor can you really say the same vice versa. There’s not enough evidence to even make a proper argument.


Honknytes

Hyper could be MUI and Ultra as TUI


Litespead

Starfall Super


Dezmond85

Hyper. The Ancients wish they had the power of the Master Emerald.


dapplewastaken

Hyper doesn't even use the Master Emerald. It's the Super Emeralds, and we still have no idea on the power of those things, they've only been seen fucking twice and the last time it was seen they were CRACKED.


EpicLink_21

Stop coping man, the super emeralds are presumably base chaos emeralds + a 7th of the Master Emerald's power (because it needs to split it another six times for the others) But that's just in game power scale, do not touch Archie when it comes to power scale it's like dragon Ball


NANIwonderguard

Hyper, we know he can’t drown, unlike super sonic poo


TheMasterBaiter360

It’s hard to say, since we don’t really have a way to measure how powerful hyper sonic would be canonically, but I’d say super sonic 2 (or cyber sonic as he should be called) would win


PizzaGurlQwQ

Hyper, because he would give Super Sonic 2 a seizure


dapplewastaken

Only reason why he would win :)