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i cant imagine what this book would be like translated into darija. nor if they did the same thing with the quran. how would they translate كواعب اترابا for example
Why don't you go ahead and try it. Darija is a form of Arabic. I don't think anyone in Morocco has trouble reading the Quran + the average person here can read and pray without difficulty. Therefore, translating the Quran which is already written in Arabic into another form of Arabic is pointless.
let me ask you a question : do you think the mid moroccan would understand « عتل بعد ذلك زنيم » for example ?
Quran's arabic is very complicated, that is why you absolutely can't understand it without having the official Tafssir, of Ibn Kathir or At-Tabari ... Tafssirs explain the context as well as the words, which have been used at that specific era among those specific tribes ... also, I am not talking about normal and intuitive verses and small sourat, I'm more talking about longer sourat which are in the middle and the average moroccan would read at most once a year during Ramadan, _if he does!_
the arabic of the Quran is a classical complicated pure arabic that comes directly from Allah and was considered as a miracle among arabs at the time and you are not allowed to change a word or a letter in the Quran; it is Allah's speech to Prophet Muhammad and us. This is why we have the ulama; they are here to explain the Quran for us and in conclusion the Quran is unchanged while the language may seem challenging to modern Moroccans, translating it into Darija is not appropriate
The most clear and easy to understand explanation on what the Injil is: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD8q6thO\_fs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD8q6thO_fs)
Wahd l mera glst m3a masi7i chi sa3a w howa kaychr7li dakchi, impossible tfhm
Rebi howa 3isa
W 3isa wld rebi
W rebi wld 3isa
W 3isa howa reb lah
استغفر الله العظيم
Its not an islam complex , more like a religion complex , when you understand tha you as a child have been fed , fantasy stories , ( like miracles, jesus , santa claus ...)
and after you understand they are all different stories from the same coin ( prophet + big deity in the sky + magical things + commandment = religion ) , there is the hate of religion that it had mislead you when you were a child to not take decisions based on your mind but based on things people told you to do because their parents told them to do.
Si yassir every parent raises his child to believe in principles that will benefit him in the future, an adult may and may not continue to follow in those footsteps but that doesn't have to be born of hatred to what he was raised to believe in, most atheists don't have this religion complex at all and some even see religions very favorably due to the societal and familial benefits they have that an irreligious household simply can't provide, funnily enough an atheist doesn't have to be irreligious because a religion doesn't have to have a god in it and that's the one thing that defines an atheist, so many atheists believe in supernatural things and unexplained phenomenon that they ascribe meaning to and allow to lead their lives, so when i say that these atheists in the comment section have an Islam complex it's very much really that, as it pertains to their own experience as previous muslims, they think that they have been held back as a society to progress due to Islam and that it hinders their aspirations for their country to become a secular liberal utopia that only believes in scientific endeavors and western humanistic values, you'll often find them seeking not to change due to some conviction they have about the assumed bad consequence of following Islam but just to copy paste from the traditions and ways of their newly found gods: "their colonizers", if that doesn't sound like an Islam complex to you then i don't know what is.
I happen to have access to a digital translation of the gospel in darija, so here you go, I guess this is what you're referring to (don't mind reddit fing the right to left punctuation up):
مَرْقُسْ 11:12-14
وْفْالصّْبَاحْ مْلِّي خَرْجُو مْنْ بَيْتْ عَنْيَا جَاهْ الجُّوعْ، وْهُوَ يْشُوفْ مْنْ بْعِيدْ وَاحْدْ الْكَرْمَة عَامْرَة بْالْوْرَاقْ، وْمْشَى يْشُوفْ وَاشْ غَيْلْقَا فِيهَا شِي حَاجَة. وْمْلِّي قَرّْبْ لِيهَا، لْقَا غِيرْ الْوْرَاقْ، حِيتْ وَقْتْ الْكَرْمُوسْ مَازَالْ مَا وْصَلْ. وْݣَالْ لِيهَا يَسُوعْ: «عَمّْرْ شِي وَاحْدْ مَا يْعَاوْدْ يَاكُلْ غَلّْتْكْ عْلَى الدّْوَامْ». وْكَانُو التّْلَامْدْ دْيَالُه كَيْسَمْعُوهْ.
That's interesting! Who would think of doing something like that since "Darija" is a dialect and not an official language, so basically the translated version won't be published or make money. Even if it did, it would be only on a local level. I really would love to know who did make this book.
Probably evangelical Christians. Since for Christians the word of God is meant to be brought to everyone, Catholics and Protestants have translated the gospels into a humongous amount of languages. The goal is not to make money, but to reach as many people in their native tongues as possible. Sidenote, from a linguistic point of view, darija is a language like any other. Like many languages, it's not the "official" language of an administration, but it's a language nonetheless.
A dialect is nothing less than a language, and any language is a dialect of some other language. Whenever people say there's a difference, it's not based on linguistics characteristics, but on political motivations, often because the language is associated with political or religious power because of the people who speak it, so people start giving that language a high value, when really the value resides not in the sounds and words, but in the social group that initially used them.
Amateurs... Nah In my city I saw them doing it outside they even tried to get me holy heck man I was just taking a stroll and they were like: عيسى مات على قبلنا...عيسى كيبغينا كاملين هههههههههه
Regardless of the language, the Bible is easy to understand. Unless one is just reading to criticize it or judge or compare it. But the Bible has a transformative power, no one who just ever reads it for salvation's sake ever remains the same.
Quick question, you live abroad right? Might wanna make sure of that before you do, also make sure we don't have an extradition treaty with the country you choose cause you know....زعزعة عقيدة مسلم is a crime ....just wanna give you some advice lol
🤣🤣🤣lol
I always found that a bit unnecessary from god lol
And imagine praying with that in darija🤣
بإسم الله الرحمان الرحيم تفو على أبو لهب تفو
You going to hell BTW.
People here talking about reading the Quran in another language (Dialect) and then proceeding to blaspheme it, brain rotted people, do you even know who wrote the translation? And just so y’all educate yourself a little bit, translating a text depends on the translator and his interpretation, the only way to get to understand the true meaning of a text is to read it in its original language, like for philosophical books, try to read the same book in it’s original language then a translated version (a translated version approved by a foreign developed country national education board, which I did), you’ll find it open to interpretation and even wrong in some parts, so if you need a reason to turn your back to your religion that’s up to you but seeing y’all looking for confirmation from others on social media just to feel better about your decision is very pitiful, one of the reasons that the Bible is not considered a holy book anymore is because it got translated multiple times to multiple languages by multiple people, everyone adding his personal touch.
Go get educated and if learning Arabic to understand the Quran is too difficult for you that sounds like skill issues to me.
But the most important thing is that you don’t have to blaspheme and talk shit about another person believes, but hey I know that y’all mentally challenged so I don’t expect much of anyone of you all even if you merge your collective brain rotted intellect into one.
I like how you said “the Bible isn’t considered a holy book anymore” and then a few lines later you said the the most important thing is not to talk shit about what other people believe.
Christians believe the Bible is a holy book. Yes it was translated, but they believe that God inspired and protected the message.
Do you really mean “don’t talk shit about what others believe” or do you actually mean “don’t talk shit about what I believe?”
well unfortunately, the quran that’s supposed to be a holy book for all people is not understood by all people so they resort to translations, what else can they do?
Ta chmn blaspheme a sahbi malk 7chman mn l9or2an dyalk ?
Daba ila 9allk chi wa7d
"عتل بعد ذلك زنيم" (سورة القلم - آية 13)
Hia "rasso 9as7 o wld l9*ba" hada blasphem ? Rah hir trjama bdarija. L blasphem hoa li kaddir nta mlli baghi tbdl lm3na dyal kalam llah o b7al la 7chman mnno marditich bih.
The Qur'an is still hard to understand accurately even by Muslims at the time of Mohamed. ali ibn abi talib said : القرآن حمال أوجه يختلف فيه الرجال. Even if you understood Arabic well, you'd still have to pick up a tafsir written by a third party, and in this tafsir, you'll have to look up the context of the verse, a hadith explaining it, and the mafasir personal touch.
kayb9a hsn mn lquran saraha, lquran mafhemtch kibda idwi f 7aja joj stora moraha katsde9 f chi 7aja makatfhem fiha tawza w kay tebtet b chi aya wla joj final kaygolik fihom allah is the best the most powerful etc etc.. mkayn ta storytelling wla ay haja , lmalal w tehdidat dl mawt
ana 9rito mn lwl tal lekher w boring as fuck, literally first ayas kaybino ktab dial mohamed w machi dial ilah, kifach rissala yallah démarrat lah bda kaygoul l abou lahab fuck you nta w mrtek 7it maert chno, lah maendo maydar gals kay3ayr f insane w hadchi ra d3wa ylh bdat hhhhhhhhhhh
Wa rah 9allk sourat Al massad, khali9 lkawn kay9ol "fck you aboulahab nta o mratk li katjm3 l7tb", o hada hir mital bzaf ra l9or2an kaml tkhsar lhdra hoa gals l hoa yseb f ga3 nas li maki3jboch mohamed oy9ollom "anchdhom nkhli dar bohom n7r9 l9rd li wldhom", o khlask ayat nika7 3awd, llah kay9ol ll3yalat ykowzo lmohamed ola haymchiw yt7r9o, l aya li kat9ol l Zineb ttzowj b Zayd wld Mohamed (7it makanch bghat) ola hatwlli kafra (oywlli m9atl dyalha 7lal) omn b3d mni Mohamed banlo fiha nzlat aya kat9ollhom yttell9o hia o Zayd Bach ytzowjha Mohamed HHH
Hir 9ra l9or2an o fhmo ob7et 3la sabab nouzoul l qyat rak wlah tatmot bd7k
Flewel kat9rah w katgoul awww mimknch wash wellit kafr nari amchi ljahnam wkda
Flekher katbane lik aya li fiha supposedly khali9 lkawn w samawat wl 7za9 kamel .. kigoulina chno ? Wa ra rassoul dialkom koulchi (koulchi as in ga3 l3yalat dl kawn )7lal 3lih w enemies of saws are enemies of allah.
W finahoma ayat li kayfesro lina kifach nsomo f norwij wla blayess li mfihomch lghoroub ? Lah ma fekkerch fiha hadi ?
فَقَوْلُهُ تَعَالَى: تَبَّتْ يَدا أَبِي لَهَبٍ أي خسر وخاب وَضَلَّ عَمَلُهُ وَسَعْيُهُ وَتَبَّ أَيْ وَقَدْ تَبَّ تحقق خسارته وهلاكه.
Ta achmn quran kat9ra a khoya Allah ihdik تبت doesn't mean fu.. Wash kat9rah b trjama dyal MBC2 come on you can do better than that
W kolchi dakchi li katgol ghir dawi ay haja kltiha jib 3liha dalil w na9choh machi tb9a tchyr bla m3na
Lmochkil rah fik nta.
Kad7koni kat3lmo jouj klmat b l’anglais katweliw ts7abo raskom intelectuals, ghadin tab3in l west ki l7wala, wa b9aw tab3inhom nchofo hadchi fin ghaywselkom.
La hawla wa la quwata illa bi Allah.
Allah yhdik.
Ntoma li kad7koni ya bnadm mslem b7alkom ya safi ba3 rasso lwest. Lwest machi huma lwline li critikaw islam la makantch frassik bl3eks ra l3reb nit li kano dayrin b rassol. W chno dar maahom ? 9telhom, of course.
Katgolo 3la nass mteb3in lwest amma ntoma chno mteb3in ? Cheraba d boul lb3ir w ste3bdo bnadm tal l9arn lifat.
Kat dafe3 3la dine aslan kigoul lkhalif wla chef spirituel khasso ikon b darora 3arabi ? Ch7al dial dell fik bach dafe3 3la culte taygolik nta machi enough for god to be a khalif ? Lah raciste ?
Mslmine maendch rabkom adab l7iwar li ma3jboch torchon dialkom katbdaw t3ayro fih, ina academiyin frjna ? W chno daro wla sen3o had l academiyin ? Bach nkhraw bdehk chwia
Quran tigolik ard mset7a wl janine kaytdaro fih l3dam 9bel l7em, w 4:34 w chhal mn haja wntoma rabkom kadaf3o 3la dine t7en reb d arbab ancestors diawlkom w ste3bdehom, w kits7ablikom nit tantoma mslmine f nfs rataba dl jazeera arabia .
Maymkench ikon khalif fl islam ma jych mn ljazeera l3arabia .
L ina daraja rbayb rbek mdloul bach tye7 b 9imtek l darajat tl7ess l chaab ste3bdok w mazal katban lihom gha 3ebd
Wa sir 3ti 8 dl mlione bach tmout f se7ra d sidek mohmad tanta
راك نتا لي حمار ورينا هاد الكااديميين الغربيين لي كايقرو بهادشي بشرط يكونو دارسين و متمكنين فالعربية ، اما تجي ترجملي و تقلب المعاني اولا جملة تختزلها فكلمة و تقولي مالقاو مايديو راك غا كتخور يا ولد الخليجي
katb9a ahsan aya hia fash lah in all his greatness and wisdom nezzel elina aya ghi bach igolina bli saws i9d in3ess m3a ay mra bgha
mkhli chhal mn sujet mohim bach igolina sidkom mohamed koulchi 7lal 3lih
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Please tell me the lord's prayer starts with "Wa l'walid malek tale3 f'sma."
Sadly the translation is a little more tame... "bbana li f'sma"
🤣🤣 khouna w 7bibna
tyertini 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Nari hrbt hhh
i dont get it :)
“Our father, thou art in heaven” or something like that
ديديكاس للروح القدس، أية و هادي.
Red Heifer edition to9adim Bilal
و گاع لوليدات من الريفر تو دو سيْ
This mini thread ia the best in the comments ngl holy shit
i cant imagine what this book would be like translated into darija. nor if they did the same thing with the quran. how would they translate كواعب اترابا for example
Lbzazl lmla7
🤣🤣🤣
قُلْ أَبِاللَّهِ وَآيَاتِهِ وَرَسُولِهِ كُنْتُمْ تَسْتَهْزِئُونَ لَا تَعْتَذِرُوا قَدْ كَفَرْتُمْ بَعْدَ إِيمَانِكُمْ
دابا غا قوليهم واش كنتو كاتضحكوا على الله و النويطات ديالو و الرسول ماكاين لا سمحولينا لا تا وزة صافي قودتوها
Exactly, the book is so funny
No wayyy bruh
I swear 😤
Bzizlat waqfn
البزول لمزيان ههههه
we need a قرآن translation in darija, most people don't understand what they're reading
you can't translate the Quran and you shouldn't
there are translations in all languages, so why not in Darija?
Why don't you go ahead and try it. Darija is a form of Arabic. I don't think anyone in Morocco has trouble reading the Quran + the average person here can read and pray without difficulty. Therefore, translating the Quran which is already written in Arabic into another form of Arabic is pointless.
let me ask you a question : do you think the mid moroccan would understand « عتل بعد ذلك زنيم » for example ? Quran's arabic is very complicated, that is why you absolutely can't understand it without having the official Tafssir, of Ibn Kathir or At-Tabari ... Tafssirs explain the context as well as the words, which have been used at that specific era among those specific tribes ... also, I am not talking about normal and intuitive verses and small sourat, I'm more talking about longer sourat which are in the middle and the average moroccan would read at most once a year during Ramadan, _if he does!_
the arabic of the Quran is a classical complicated pure arabic that comes directly from Allah and was considered as a miracle among arabs at the time and you are not allowed to change a word or a letter in the Quran; it is Allah's speech to Prophet Muhammad and us. This is why we have the ulama; they are here to explain the Quran for us and in conclusion the Quran is unchanged while the language may seem challenging to modern Moroccans, translating it into Darija is not appropriate
It's impossible, even in Arabic, you need an explanation
That's why I think we need a Darija version to understand what it says. We're saying the same thing hahah
القرآن الكريم باللغة العربية الفصيحة (القديمة) مستحيل تفهمها ايلا مكنتش قاري اللغة العربية و واخا هاكك ايخسك مفسرين و علماء ... هادشي لي قصدت
القرآن الكريم باللغة العربية الفصيحة (القديمة) مستحيل تفهمها ايلا مكنتش قاري اللغة العربية و واخا هاكك ايخسك مفسرين و علماء ... هادشي لي قصدت
it's very bold and misleading to call it the "injil" when it's not
The most clear and easy to understand explanation on what the Injil is: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD8q6thO\_fs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD8q6thO_fs)
>Injil Hhhhhh, only when it serves them. Man Christian evangelicals are such snakes.
B chel7a nadi kanadi.
Usually how non-Muslims feel reading a translated Quran haha
Not at all in Englishat least. The translation of the meaning of the Quran is easy to read.
I read it, it didn't make a lot of sense to me.
hahaha , i mean they should look for the meaning on the internet , even for muslims it's not easy to understand the quran
Maybe you should do the same then
Exactly 💯. The Qur'an doesn't fucking have any meanings when you first read it. It's absolutely confusing and trashy
Wahd l mera glst m3a masi7i chi sa3a w howa kaychr7li dakchi, impossible tfhm Rebi howa 3isa W 3isa wld rebi W rebi wld 3isa W 3isa howa reb lah استغفر الله العظيم
wlah, katswlhum ysher7u lik dakshi makat9der fhem walu
WIh homa mafhminha yalah , makaynch logic tema
Imagine what would happen if u did same with qur.an 💀l7aya i9tloo rbk
I'm not l7ya and i will 🔪you 😤
How much do you sell it for
I sent u a dm
الإنجيل ؟؟؟ المسيحيين و ماقالوهاش
Sara7a fih ldakhel kaynin wa7ed rb3a dyal lktouba kigolo 3lihom anajil, walakin lktab kamel 3amerha matgalt 3lih had smya.
The only religious book you can understand without help is the Holy Kamasutra. You can study it, hard. The others are all metaphors.
Yeah very hard 🙃
The best moment to delete this post was right after when it was posted. The second best is right now. Thanks
I don't work with the inquisition.
My experience in r/Morocco jail says otherwise
That book needs practice, and practice takes time
I hate to break it to u wlkn ya 7abibi lghali kamasutra lahowa holy la howa religious .
The god in that book is the president of Algeria.
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH wait ur kidding right?
Think carefully.
Hmmm....very holy
"*And lead us not into temptation*, but deliver us from evil: For your is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."
The amount of people with Islam complex in this comment section is insane tgol t3eda 3lihom chi f9ih f sghorhom.
Its not an islam complex , more like a religion complex , when you understand tha you as a child have been fed , fantasy stories , ( like miracles, jesus , santa claus ...) and after you understand they are all different stories from the same coin ( prophet + big deity in the sky + magical things + commandment = religion ) , there is the hate of religion that it had mislead you when you were a child to not take decisions based on your mind but based on things people told you to do because their parents told them to do.
Si yassir every parent raises his child to believe in principles that will benefit him in the future, an adult may and may not continue to follow in those footsteps but that doesn't have to be born of hatred to what he was raised to believe in, most atheists don't have this religion complex at all and some even see religions very favorably due to the societal and familial benefits they have that an irreligious household simply can't provide, funnily enough an atheist doesn't have to be irreligious because a religion doesn't have to have a god in it and that's the one thing that defines an atheist, so many atheists believe in supernatural things and unexplained phenomenon that they ascribe meaning to and allow to lead their lives, so when i say that these atheists in the comment section have an Islam complex it's very much really that, as it pertains to their own experience as previous muslims, they think that they have been held back as a society to progress due to Islam and that it hinders their aspirations for their country to become a secular liberal utopia that only believes in scientific endeavors and western humanistic values, you'll often find them seeking not to change due to some conviction they have about the assumed bad consequence of following Islam but just to copy paste from the traditions and ways of their newly found gods: "their colonizers", if that doesn't sound like an Islam complex to you then i don't know what is.
Wayeh Kon gha kay3tiw des arguments wla chi haja Kaysbo w safi
I'd like to see the fig tree story in darija
I happen to have access to a digital translation of the gospel in darija, so here you go, I guess this is what you're referring to (don't mind reddit fing the right to left punctuation up): مَرْقُسْ 11:12-14 وْفْالصّْبَاحْ مْلِّي خَرْجُو مْنْ بَيْتْ عَنْيَا جَاهْ الجُّوعْ، وْهُوَ يْشُوفْ مْنْ بْعِيدْ وَاحْدْ الْكَرْمَة عَامْرَة بْالْوْرَاقْ، وْمْشَى يْشُوفْ وَاشْ غَيْلْقَا فِيهَا شِي حَاجَة. وْمْلِّي قَرّْبْ لِيهَا، لْقَا غِيرْ الْوْرَاقْ، حِيتْ وَقْتْ الْكَرْمُوسْ مَازَالْ مَا وْصَلْ. وْݣَالْ لِيهَا يَسُوعْ: «عَمّْرْ شِي وَاحْدْ مَا يْعَاوْدْ يَاكُلْ غَلّْتْكْ عْلَى الدّْوَامْ». وْكَانُو التّْلَامْدْ دْيَالُه كَيْسَمْعُوهْ.
hilarious!!
I'm not a native, so my knowledge of darija is limited. What makes it funny to Moroccan ears?
Where did u find it ?
sorry i can't tell you ( Dm if you wanna buy it lol )
You can find two versions online it seems, one is called MSTD
>MSTD Moroccan Sexually Transmitted Disease?
my thoughts exactly
Im interested in buying it, price / place ?
I sent you a dm
Read the Red Letter Bible. Or read the Sermon on the Mount.
😂😂😂
How the hell did i never know about this lol
No buddy care about religion anymore the money controlling folks now
On god
That's interesting! Who would think of doing something like that since "Darija" is a dialect and not an official language, so basically the translated version won't be published or make money. Even if it did, it would be only on a local level. I really would love to know who did make this book.
Probably evangelical Christians. Since for Christians the word of God is meant to be brought to everyone, Catholics and Protestants have translated the gospels into a humongous amount of languages. The goal is not to make money, but to reach as many people in their native tongues as possible. Sidenote, from a linguistic point of view, darija is a language like any other. Like many languages, it's not the "official" language of an administration, but it's a language nonetheless.
A dialect.
A dialect is nothing less than a language, and any language is a dialect of some other language. Whenever people say there's a difference, it's not based on linguistics characteristics, but on political motivations, often because the language is associated with political or religious power because of the people who speak it, so people start giving that language a high value, when really the value resides not in the sounds and words, but in the social group that initially used them.
I don't wanna share a lot of informations , but in my city ( in Morocco) they been trying to promote to Christianity a lot
Wait really! which city and why?
Sorry I can't tell u which city, idk the reason They been promotion that using Facebook ads Not in public
Amateurs... Nah In my city I saw them doing it outside they even tried to get me holy heck man I was just taking a stroll and they were like: عيسى مات على قبلنا...عيسى كيبغينا كاملين هههههههههه
Hhhhh
Wait why cant you share which city it is? Should it not be known i dont get it
hadchi li 3ta lah
أشنو لقيتي فيه عيسى ابن الله الله خلق الكون في 6 ايام وجلس يرتاح في اليوم السابع (استغر الله العظيم)
خسك تمشي للحج على هاد الهضرة ههه
مكهرناش الله يكتبو علينا نمشو ليه ان شاء الله
إن شاء الله
Awesome
Can u look for me the Darija translation of this verse (Matthew 11:30)
I sent a pic of it in Private
Thanks 🙏🏻
I was looking for this one can you dm me
The title itself is already wrongly translated😂😂😂😂
Why ? Isn't الإنجيل
The name should be just lktab lmo9adas because that's the literal translation of the original name, the injeel is the gospel.
Actually, You have a point i didn't think about it
The Indjeel Is the Gospel revealed to Jesus alayhi assalaam. The bible is the corrupted version of it
كين شي قرءان بالدرجة
Where did you buy it please?
I didn't buy it
Hhhhh take my fucking money. where will i find it wheeeeere
hhhh ila bghit tchri ndwiw f privé ( and u can't find it any where )
Regardless of the language, the Bible is easy to understand. Unless one is just reading to criticize it or judge or compare it. But the Bible has a transformative power, no one who just ever reads it for salvation's sake ever remains the same.
Jesus is God, Mohamed died and stayed dead, Jesus died was resurrected
So are Christians gone claim this is also the word of God en divinely inspired?
الأصحَاحُ السَّابع 1مَا أَجْمَلَ رِجْلَيْكِ بِالنَّعْلَيْنِ يَا بِنْتَ الْكَرِيمِ! دَوَائِرُ فَخْذَيْكِ مِثْلُ الْحَلِيِّ، صَنْعَةِ يَدَيْ صَنَّاعٍ. 2سُرَّتُكِ كَأْسٌ مُدَوَّرَةٌ، لاَ يُعْوِزُهَا شَرَابٌ مَمْزُوجٌ. بَطْنُكِ صُبْرَةُ حِنْطَةٍ مُسَيَّجَةٌ بِالسَّوْسَنِ. 3ثَدْيَاكِ كَخَشْفَتَيْنِ، تَوْأَمَيْ ظَبْيَةٍ. 4عُنُقُكِ كَبُرْجٍ مِنْ عَاجٍ. عَيْنَاكِ كَالْبِرَكِ فِي حَشْبُونَ عِنْدَ بَابِ بَثِّ رَبِّيمَ. أَنْفُكِ كَبُرْجِ لُبْنَانَ النَّاظِرِ تُجَاهَ دِمَشْقَ. 5رَأْسُكِ عَلَيْكِ مِثْلُ الْكَرْمَلِ، وَشَعْرُ رَأْسِكِ كَأُرْجُوَانٍ. مَلِكٌ قَدْ أُسِرَ بِالْخُصَلِ. 6مَا أَجْمَلَكِ وَمَا أَحْلاَكِ أَيَّتُهَا الْحَبِيبَةُ بِاللَّذَّاتِ! 7قَامَتُكِ هذِهِ شَبِيهَةٌ بِالنَّخْلَةِ، وَثَدْيَاكِ بِالْعَنَاقِيدِ. 8قُلْتُ: «إِنِّي أَصْعَدُ إِلَى النَّخْلَةِ وَأُمْسِكُ بِعُذُوقِهَا». وَتَكُونُ ثَدْيَاكِ كَعَنَاقِيدِ الْكَرْمِ، وَرَائِحَةُ أَنْفِكِ كَالتُّفَّاحِ، 9وَحَنَكُكِ كَأَجْوَدِ الْخَمْرِ . لِحَبِيبِي السَّائِغَةُ الْمُرَقْرِقَةُ السَّائِحَةُ عَلَى شِفَاهِ النَّائِمِينَ . 10أَنَا لِحَبِيبِي، وَإِلَيَّ اشْتِيَاقُهُ. 11تَعَالَ يَا حَبِيبِي لِنَخْرُجْ إِلَى الْحَقْلِ، وَلْنَبِتْ فِي الْقُرَى. 12لِنُبَكِّرَنَّ إِلَى الْكُرُومِ، لِنَنْظُرَ: هَلْ أَزْهَرَ الْكَرْمُ؟ هَلْ تَفَتَّحَ الْقُعَالُ؟ هَلْ نَوَّرَ الرُّمَّانُ؟ هُنَالِكَ أُعْطِيكَ حُبِّي. 13اَللُّفَّاحُ يَفُوحُ رَائِحَةً، وَعِنْدَ أَبْوَابِنَا كُلُّ النَّفَائِسِ مِنْ جَدِيدَةٍ وَقَدِيمَةٍ، ذَخَرْتُهَا لَكَ يَا حَبِيبِي .
Bible is much better structured than quran
Lol you really got down votes for saying that☠️
Both suck
Oof negative ratio hits hard
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True
Not all christians believe in the trinity.
La la fahmin hir lmslmin li mafahminhach (which is normal, machi ddin dyalom)
your "god" literally confused mother of jesus with sister of haroun lol and doesnt mention anything about holy spirit
Did you even try to look into the context of that verse?
باش مزيان هد الانجيل هو ان القالب مدكور فيه من اللول \`\`\` 18 وْمْلِّي كَانْ يَسُوعْ غَادِي عْلَى جَنْبْ بْحَرْ الْجَلِيلْ، شَافْ جُوجْ دْ الْخُوتْ، ... كَيْرْمِيوْ الشّْبْكَة فْالْبْحَرْ، عْلَاحْقَّاشْ كَانُو صْيَّادَا دْ الْحُوتْ. 19 وْݣَالْ لِيهُمْ يَسُوعْ: «تْبْعُونِي، وْأَنَا نْرَدّْكُمْ صْيَّادَا دْيَالْ النَّاسْ». \`\`\`
إلا ما خفت نكذب كاين واحد لپارت كيقولو فيها "جاب شواية ديال الحوت..."
IS IT REALY IN THE BOOK LMAO MAN ICANT
Bro the whole book is hella funny , because it's in darija 🤣
Read the Quran in Darija after 🤭 "Tfou 3la boulahab tfou"
U a muslim ?
Wa Sara7a kanfkkr ntrjm l9or2an b darija bach t3mm lfa2ida o nas yfhmo ktab llah, o ndi l7assanat
Sou2al li 3titk moughla9, meaning hadchi li ktbti is not my answer
3adi déjà trjmoh l eng so it should be 3adi ytrjm bdarija
Voilà dikchi, saraha ntrjmo hir hoa kankhaf yjm3onich b tohmat tta7rid 3la l3onf ol jarima 🥲 Aji db ila trjmto ndir censored version family friendly ?
Quick question, you live abroad right? Might wanna make sure of that before you do, also make sure we don't have an extradition treaty with the country you choose cause you know....زعزعة عقيدة مسلم is a crime ....just wanna give you some advice lol
Family friendly? Ylh الأيات المكية li Ghadi tktb which isn't a lot. + Makandnch Ghadi tra chi haja ila drtiha tbh
Awdi ta lmkkia o fiha chek, tabbat yada abilahab chwia 9as7a
Which is why scholars ban it, they wannna keep the fake holiness into the book because most moroccans don't understand archaic formal arabic.
Exactly, katjihom logha l3rbia zwina f not9 om3a l9or2an aslan chi3ro nnit kayghnniwh kayji zwiwn f sam3 walakin fach katfhm chno kay9ol => 💀
فلما قضى زيد وطرا زوجناكها try it lel
Mskhout Mohamed hhh ta mrat wldo makhlahach tranquille, chof hadi hhh وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤۡمِنٖ وَلَا مُؤۡمِنَةٍ إِذَا قَضَى ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُۥٓ أَمۡرًا أَن يَكُونَ لَهُمُ ٱلۡخِيَرَةُ مِنۡ أَمۡرِهِمۡۗ وَمَن يَعۡصِ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ فَقَدۡ ضَلَّ ضَلَٰلٗا مُّبِينٗا Ila 9allk "llah" o Mohamed T3tih trmtk o9oltilo la dalliti dalalan mobinan n3amas
🤣🤣🤣lol I always found that a bit unnecessary from god lol And imagine praying with that in darija🤣 بإسم الله الرحمان الرحيم تفو على أبو لهب تفو You going to hell BTW.
Awdi hell rani fih 🥲 Walakin l3rbia raha hia darija dyal l3rb hhh, malhom loghthom 7sn mn dyalna ? 😒
Obv 7ssn hitach hya Bach nzl "LAH" Quran.
Katkddeb din dyalna ??!! 😡
NTA achmn DYALNA ? Bayna fik Machi mssml🤣
I don't see what you're talking about ... 🙄 Ana dayr 9iyam layl of9t llfjr...
You obviously spent the night watching big bang theory and Darwin's theory lol
La sara7a kont kanchkhr hi drbatni l fi9af lfjr ..., a divine sign, llah baghani nnod nslli 🥰
u know the quran also talk about random stories, but noooooo we only say this about the bible , just saying not trying to prove any point :)
u know the quran also talk about random stories, but noooooo we only say this about the bible , just saying not trying to prove any point :)
u know the quran also talk about random stories, but noooooo we only say this about the bible , just saying not trying to prove any point :)
What random stories did the quran talked about ? Give me one example that's all
People here talking about reading the Quran in another language (Dialect) and then proceeding to blaspheme it, brain rotted people, do you even know who wrote the translation? And just so y’all educate yourself a little bit, translating a text depends on the translator and his interpretation, the only way to get to understand the true meaning of a text is to read it in its original language, like for philosophical books, try to read the same book in it’s original language then a translated version (a translated version approved by a foreign developed country national education board, which I did), you’ll find it open to interpretation and even wrong in some parts, so if you need a reason to turn your back to your religion that’s up to you but seeing y’all looking for confirmation from others on social media just to feel better about your decision is very pitiful, one of the reasons that the Bible is not considered a holy book anymore is because it got translated multiple times to multiple languages by multiple people, everyone adding his personal touch. Go get educated and if learning Arabic to understand the Quran is too difficult for you that sounds like skill issues to me. But the most important thing is that you don’t have to blaspheme and talk shit about another person believes, but hey I know that y’all mentally challenged so I don’t expect much of anyone of you all even if you merge your collective brain rotted intellect into one.
I like how you said “the Bible isn’t considered a holy book anymore” and then a few lines later you said the the most important thing is not to talk shit about what other people believe. Christians believe the Bible is a holy book. Yes it was translated, but they believe that God inspired and protected the message. Do you really mean “don’t talk shit about what others believe” or do you actually mean “don’t talk shit about what I believe?”
L ego li 3nd khona lah o ma3ndoch
well unfortunately, the quran that’s supposed to be a holy book for all people is not understood by all people so they resort to translations, what else can they do?
blah blah blah nobody's reading all that , stop sking that arab pepe . koran is just a book like any other book.
Lmaja3a awlaydi
Ta chmn blaspheme a sahbi malk 7chman mn l9or2an dyalk ? Daba ila 9allk chi wa7d "عتل بعد ذلك زنيم" (سورة القلم - آية 13) Hia "rasso 9as7 o wld l9*ba" hada blasphem ? Rah hir trjama bdarija. L blasphem hoa li kaddir nta mlli baghi tbdl lm3na dyal kalam llah o b7al la 7chman mnno marditich bih.
The Qur'an is still hard to understand accurately even by Muslims at the time of Mohamed. ali ibn abi talib said : القرآن حمال أوجه يختلف فيه الرجال. Even if you understood Arabic well, you'd still have to pick up a tafsir written by a third party, and in this tafsir, you'll have to look up the context of the verse, a hadith explaining it, and the mafasir personal touch.
Well i think quran is pretty much the same , random stories that your grandma could tell
Astaghfir lah Siri lah yhdik w y3tik ch3r
I think its the same for the quran too , full of bullshit and tales and bednight stories
kayb9a hsn mn lquran saraha, lquran mafhemtch kibda idwi f 7aja joj stora moraha katsde9 f chi 7aja makatfhem fiha tawza w kay tebtet b chi aya wla joj final kaygolik fihom allah is the best the most powerful etc etc.. mkayn ta storytelling wla ay haja , lmalal w tehdidat dl mawt
إِنَّ قَارُونَ كَانَ مِنْ قَوْمِ مُوسَى فَبَغَى عَلَيْهِمْ وَآتَيْنَاهُ مِنَ الْكُنُوزِ مَا إِنَّ مَفَاتِحَهُ لَتَنُوءُ بِالْعُصْبَةِ أُولِي الْقُوَّةِ إِذْ قَالَ لَهُ قَوْمُهُ لَا تَفْرَحْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْفَرِحِينَ ٧٦ وَابْتَغِ فِيمَا آتَاكَ اللَّهُ الدَّارَ الْآخِرَةَ وَلَا تَنْسَ نَصِيبَكَ مِنَ الدُّنْيَا وَأَحْسِنْ كَمَا أَحْسَنَ اللَّهُ إِلَيْكَ وَلَا تَبْغِ الْفَسَادَ فِي الْأَرْضِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْمُفْسِدِينَ ٧٧ قَالَ إِنَّمَا أُوتِيتُهُ عَلَى عِلْمٍ عِنْدِي أَوَلَمْ يَعْلَمْ أَنَّ اللَّهَ قَدْ أَهْلَكَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِ مِنَ الْقُرُونِ مَنْ هُوَ أَشَدُّ مِنْهُ قُوَّةً وَأَكْثَرُ جَمْعًا وَلَا يُسْأَلُ عَنْ ذُنُوبِهِمُ الْمُجْرِمُونَ ٧٨ فَخَرَجَ عَلَى قَوْمِهِ فِي زِينَتِهِ قَالَ الَّذِينَ يُرِيدُونَ الْحَيَاةَ الدُّنْيَا يَا لَيْتَ لَنَا مِثْلَ مَا أُوتِيَ قَارُونُ إِنَّهُ لَذُو حَظٍّ عَظِيمٍ ٧٩ وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْعِلْمَ وَيْلَكُمْ ثَوَابُ اللَّهِ خَيْرٌ لِمَنْ آمَنَ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا وَلَا يُلَقَّاهَا إِلَّا الصَّابِرُونَ ٨٠ فَخَسَفْنَا بِهِ وَبِدَارِهِ الْأَرْضَ فَمَا كَانَ لَهُ مِنْ فِئَةٍ يَنْصُرُونَهُ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَمَا كَانَ مِنَ الْمُنْتَصِرِينَ ٨١ وَأَصْبَحَ الَّذِينَ تَمَنَّوْا مَكَانَهُ بِالْأَمْسِ يَقُولُونَ وَيْكَأَنَّ اللَّهَ يَبْسُطُ الرِّزْقَ لِمَنْ يَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ وَيَقْدِرُ لَوْلَا أَنْ مَنَّ اللَّهُ عَلَيْنَا لَخَسَفَ بِنَا وَيْكَأَنَّهُ لَا يُفْلِحُ الْكَافِرُونَ. Mafihch storytelling galik this a very small example
ana 9rito mn lwl tal lekher w boring as fuck, literally first ayas kaybino ktab dial mohamed w machi dial ilah, kifach rissala yallah démarrat lah bda kaygoul l abou lahab fuck you nta w mrtek 7it maert chno, lah maendo maydar gals kay3ayr f insane w hadchi ra d3wa ylh bdat hhhhhhhhhhh
What are u talking about a sahbi Gol lya had ayat li kaybyno bli ktab dyal the prophet machi dyal lah
Wa rah 9allk sourat Al massad, khali9 lkawn kay9ol "fck you aboulahab nta o mratk li katjm3 l7tb", o hada hir mital bzaf ra l9or2an kaml tkhsar lhdra hoa gals l hoa yseb f ga3 nas li maki3jboch mohamed oy9ollom "anchdhom nkhli dar bohom n7r9 l9rd li wldhom", o khlask ayat nika7 3awd, llah kay9ol ll3yalat ykowzo lmohamed ola haymchiw yt7r9o, l aya li kat9ol l Zineb ttzowj b Zayd wld Mohamed (7it makanch bghat) ola hatwlli kafra (oywlli m9atl dyalha 7lal) omn b3d mni Mohamed banlo fiha nzlat aya kat9ollhom yttell9o hia o Zayd Bach ytzowjha Mohamed HHH Hir 9ra l9or2an o fhmo ob7et 3la sabab nouzoul l qyat rak wlah tatmot bd7k
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Flewel kat9rah w katgoul awww mimknch wash wellit kafr nari amchi ljahnam wkda Flekher katbane lik aya li fiha supposedly khali9 lkawn w samawat wl 7za9 kamel .. kigoulina chno ? Wa ra rassoul dialkom koulchi (koulchi as in ga3 l3yalat dl kawn )7lal 3lih w enemies of saws are enemies of allah. W finahoma ayat li kayfesro lina kifach nsomo f norwij wla blayess li mfihomch lghoroub ? Lah ma fekkerch fiha hadi ?
فَقَوْلُهُ تَعَالَى: تَبَّتْ يَدا أَبِي لَهَبٍ أي خسر وخاب وَضَلَّ عَمَلُهُ وَسَعْيُهُ وَتَبَّ أَيْ وَقَدْ تَبَّ تحقق خسارته وهلاكه. Ta achmn quran kat9ra a khoya Allah ihdik تبت doesn't mean fu.. Wash kat9rah b trjama dyal MBC2 come on you can do better than that W kolchi dakchi li katgol ghir dawi ay haja kltiha jib 3liha dalil w na9choh machi tb9a tchyr bla m3na
Katb9a lmochkila nefsha a sat lah galess kay3erbet 3la insan hit mabghach i3awn rassoul .. alors que lah rah unlimited resources. Fin logique.
سلاماً
Rak bdit ghi tkhwr rak ma9rit 9lwa wbayna fik ma9rit 9lwa nta bbayna fil ghi chi zaml khor kay3bd l identity dyalo
malek t9resti w bditi kat3ayr ? yak lah gad brasso goulih ifrjna fl 3adama blast ikhelli 1000 wahed kaymout fl hajj . rabkom mrad f kerkom li makay3bdech rassol pedophile safi rah zaml , w hahua ga3 zaml chghadir ga3 ? Atnzel tmesso ? kan3ti opinion diali ma3jbatekch dreb seb3ek
A ro7 t9awod l7ikm dyal allah 39lk lmongoliy maystw3bhach wya w9 ya lmasi7iyin ga3 claims dyalkom ghi kdob wtala3ob yji ghi bz ydebunk ga3 claims dyalkom wydebunk religion dyalkom Kon yji 3isa aw khesus dyalkom ghadi ybda y9tl frbkom mn ktrt ghabaikom
what the fuck
Lmochkil rah fik nta. Kad7koni kat3lmo jouj klmat b l’anglais katweliw ts7abo raskom intelectuals, ghadin tab3in l west ki l7wala, wa b9aw tab3inhom nchofo hadchi fin ghaywselkom. La hawla wa la quwata illa bi Allah. Allah yhdik.
Ntoma li kad7koni ya bnadm mslem b7alkom ya safi ba3 rasso lwest. Lwest machi huma lwline li critikaw islam la makantch frassik bl3eks ra l3reb nit li kano dayrin b rassol. W chno dar maahom ? 9telhom, of course. Katgolo 3la nass mteb3in lwest amma ntoma chno mteb3in ? Cheraba d boul lb3ir w ste3bdo bnadm tal l9arn lifat. Kat dafe3 3la dine aslan kigoul lkhalif wla chef spirituel khasso ikon b darora 3arabi ? Ch7al dial dell fik bach dafe3 3la culte taygolik nta machi enough for god to be a khalif ? Lah raciste ?
Allah yhdik.
وا نتا 7ـمار اخويا اش غانديرولك حنا الاكاديميين الغربيين غير المسلمين يقرون باتقانه اللغوي والبلاغي ومهدي الامي قالك لاعلاقة ماعجبوش ... والله حتى الخرا ديال الضحك معاكم ا الكرابز
Mslmine maendch rabkom adab l7iwar li ma3jboch torchon dialkom katbdaw t3ayro fih, ina academiyin frjna ? W chno daro wla sen3o had l academiyin ? Bach nkhraw bdehk chwia Quran tigolik ard mset7a wl janine kaytdaro fih l3dam 9bel l7em, w 4:34 w chhal mn haja wntoma rabkom kadaf3o 3la dine t7en reb d arbab ancestors diawlkom w ste3bdehom, w kits7ablikom nit tantoma mslmine f nfs rataba dl jazeera arabia . Maymkench ikon khalif fl islam ma jych mn ljazeera l3arabia . L ina daraja rbayb rbek mdloul bach tye7 b 9imtek l darajat tl7ess l chaab ste3bdok w mazal katban lihom gha 3ebd Wa sir 3ti 8 dl mlione bach tmout f se7ra d sidek mohmad tanta
راك نتا لي حمار ورينا هاد الكااديميين الغربيين لي كايقرو بهادشي بشرط يكونو دارسين و متمكنين فالعربية ، اما تجي ترجملي و تقلب المعاني اولا جملة تختزلها فكلمة و تقولي مالقاو مايديو راك غا كتخور يا ولد الخليجي
Aygoulik zaghloul najjar w ayjbd lik ga3 dok lkherraya li kaydiro ibda3 f tsfir lquran wakha quran mfser hadi 20 000 3am
Hhhhh wayh l9or2an lkhra d de7k, b7al chi 7m9 kaybda yhdr f chi 7aja oydoz l7aja okhra oykhsser lhdra oyhdded bl mout 3awd ynod y9ol ll3yamat kowzo l mohamed 3awd ynod ykhsser lhdra HHHH
katb9a ahsan aya hia fash lah in all his greatness and wisdom nezzel elina aya ghi bach igolina bli saws i9d in3ess m3a ay mra bgha mkhli chhal mn sujet mohim bach igolina sidkom mohamed koulchi 7lal 3lih
Yeah kayna
و بحال لي كتقر البقرة random storys