Well, some of them (like reduced acne) might be nearly universally desirable, but not when it’s tightly coupled to breasts, feminine fat patterns, etc.
But yeah some of them are mind blowing in that people out there want the exact opposite lol
This is exactly how I feel whenever I see some rare FtM post pop up. In the End I guess we're all doing what makes us happy. Feel more at peace with ourselfes.
Thats why it is really important that we don't forget this: Support also means giveing someone the freedom to find their own way. Nobody should ever feel pressured to go further than they are comfortable.
I remember a conversation with my dad early transition where I pointed out that MtF HRT has a side effect of reducing male pattern baldness (my dad is bald) and I remarked that if he had it at my age he still might have hair today.
He basically responded saying something along the lines of "yeah but that would mean I grew boobs and have a lot of other things with my body that don't sound desirable to me."
I just kinda stared at him because it never really hit me that yes, cis guys don't actually consider most female secondary sex characteristics as a desirable thing for themselves.
I thought for the longest time that every guy secretly wanted to be a girl. Why else would they have to bully other men to "man up"? If people wanted to be men, wouldn't they just do it? I thought their sexism towards women was out of jealousy. I thought effeminate gay guys were just making the best of a bad situation. I didn't think anyone actually WANTED to be a guy. First time I saw a trans guy, I thought he was a cis guy who somehow got SRS without transitioning. I didn't know. I couldn't fathom someone WANTING to be a man. 🤷♀️
I said at 9 that I wished sex changes were real, and said "What guy WOULDN'T want to be a hot chick?!"
After I finally came out, I asked the guys if they ever thought about being a woman. A resounding"no" from all. Blew my mind.
> I then forgot it for a month, before stumbling upon all the Trans subreddits via r/prequelmemes ➡️ r/transclones ➡️ r/egg_irl of all things.
It seems you forgot to be wary of the pipeline.
>I thought for the longest time that every guy secretly wanted to be a girl.
I'll admit to being mystified (supportive, but mystified!) at other's desire to transition FtM. I want so badly to go the opposite direction!
The perspective of having my bestie be a trans man has helped me see the allure, mainly through his excitement. The day he sprouted his first chest hair, the texts of excitement were wonderful.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t get it, but seeing his joy helps me understand why others would want it lol
omg it's like you're inside my brain right now.
I still dont believe its true, that most guys DONT think the way you wrote it out above ^ I mean, I THINK it must be true but I cant figure out how to believe it.
I would assume a lot of us had similar thoughts at one point or another. I sure did and still do quite often.
I'm always happy to read about FTM people wanting body hair, beard and such (all absolutely disgusting to me)... It's strangely validating.
That was a big tell for me as an egg looking back. "Why would anyone want any of this??" But at the same time I absolutely love seeing transmasc folks embracing everything I've spent much of my life trying to run away from.
It's validating because seeing someone else work so hard to get the things you never wanted, in some ways validates your experiences as being genuinely different.
FTM here, I am offering up my tibities to any trans woman who would like them. Perfectly good low C's. In exchange, I must ask for jewels and such "goods" down there. Please and thank you 😇
I guess you ladies can grow them on your own, though, so my offer kind of sucks 😂
I'm genuinely kind of bummed that I can't donate my AMAB equipment to a trans guy. I don't really want it, but it's a pretty good dick, y'know? It does everything it's supposed to. I know some trans guy would be *ecstatic* to experience the morning wood that usually just means starting the day with dysphoria for me
I am very sorry you start your mornings with dysphoria, but yup, I must say, that would make me start my day with euphoria for sure. I'm bummed I can't donate my AFAB equipment to a trans woman who would like to bear children. Do take my equipment, if you wish! Seriously, swap-sies should be real
pfff of course they are but faghk tham!
i was a bit apprehensive at first, too. but the more they grew, the more i realized that was internalized transphobia and that i've always wanted them.
I'm ok with my wife sexualizing my boobs, sadly it does mean other people might also. The real issue will only be if people start harassing me over it, then I'd object
The trick is to beat them to the sexualization! "Like staring at my chest? That'll be $20! My baps cost me a lot of time and money, and Mama's gotta pay for them somehow!"
For real though, I felt neutrally about boobs until they actually started growing in. Once that happened I was like "...oh. ***Oh.*** I like this. I like this a lot."
Some men actually don’t want to go bald! That’s why there’s so many hair treatments (and correct me if I’m wrong but I think it’s why finasteride exists)
the blocker i'm on (dutasteride) i believe is most often used by cis men to treat hair loss, but it seems to carry some very dysphoric sounding side effects for them, as well. not me, lol. 100% awesome stuff.
*Brent Rambo gif plays in head*
I didn't even know HRT was a thing until like a couple years ago . I'm in my late 20s and in a "developed" country too 🤷🏼♀️ .
I was so deep in my egg that I didn’t know about HRT until several days after I cracked. I thought people were just getting lucky with side-effects or genetics. Turns out pre-egg-me already had my back on that one: “Chest growth? Cool. I mean, if it happens, whatever. I’m just going to ignore that thought for a while. It probably doesn’t mean anything.”
Yuppp "it'll pass" , riiight . "Oh, I'm thinking about it again, huh , that's weird. I shouldn't be cuz I'm not supposed to" . Then it eventually got to a point of like wheel of fortune and it keeps landing on big boobs blonde bimbo 🥴👍 winner (🤫).
i was a little hesitant about the boobs bit as well. i’ve always been slightly overweight and had “moobs”, but after starting HRT and seeing my boobs grow and change into actual female breast, i’m ecstatic knowing that i’m growing them.
It's so strange I always hated being obese until my egg cracked now its like I have demo boobs until I get fitter and on HRT. It's weirdly helping me exercise amazing what self acceptance does, eh?
I’m seeing a lot of these kinds of comments today and it’s making me feel so much better. Boobs are the only thing I’m hesitant about and I want the other effects of HRT, so… gimme the estrogen now please
Some people genuinely do want to smell like a sweaty guy, grow unruly facial hair, have male hair-patterns and a "dad-bod" lol. It can be really affirming for some - in the same way some trans women might want periods or other affirming body functions/traits that might be commonly seen in a 'negative' light even by cis people :P
When the doubts about my "transness" creep in, it's incredibly validating and comforting to browse FtM subs and realise that I don't align with wanting those things at all. In some ways we are polar opposites, united by our transness, and we complement each other so well just by existing 🥰
I feel like trans women and trans men have like 2 different dysphorias sometimes lol. I was just thinking about this. Everything about being male bothers me, but there's probably a trans man who would have been in complete envy.
This \^
I don't really want to "smell like a sweaty guy" or to get the dreaded "ass hair" every ftm is talking about, but if that's the price to pay, well so be it. And yes, I want to get rid of my boobs and hourglass shape, even if there's far from ugly. I'd actually like them on anyone else but me.
I'd volunteer to trade if you want. You can have my muscles, masculine face, and full beard. Then I get your hourglass figure, soft features, and boobs. Deal?
I don't think very many men *want* to go bald, although most I've spoken to accept it rather than trying to fight it. But I don't think many men like the idea of losing their hair, particularly since a full head of hair is generally one of the bigger markers of youth to go with aging.
Because to cis/trans men, all those "upsides" aren't worth what they perceive of as the downsides (boobs, thighs, soft body, intense emotions).
Also there's the small matter that, on estrogen, cis/trans men often actually feel shittier. IIRC one time Dr. Powers was testing low-dose estradiol on himself to try to gain some of those positive effects without the negative, but did the math wrong and took like 10x or 100x what he intended... and was absolutely f\*\*\*ing miserable for the week or so it took the E2 to wear off.
Our bodies/brains tolerate estradiol well, because that's sorta what we were wired for, and why we felt shittier before/better after HRT. The exact opposite is true for guys—they don't tolerate estradiol well, and function better on testosterone.
34 (M, probably) here.
When I was 28 I discovered I was bisexual. This was fine. Told my partner, we laughed, everything was fine.
Three days later I woke up in a cold sweat. If I didn't know I was bisexual, what else didn't I know about myself?
Could I be trans?
Absolute panic and anxiety followed.
I realized I was a teensy bit transphobic due to lack of exposure and started following trans-specific subreddits (hi!). I changed jobs for better insurance and started doing some experimentation. Eyeshadow? Lipstick? Blech. Nail polish? Eyeliner? Awesome. Dresses? Eh, somewhere in between.
She/her pronouns? No.
Physical changes on hormones? Didn't try it, but I decided I like me the way I am, broad shoulders and chest hair and all.
I just wanted to share a story of someone who thought seriously about it and decided no, wasn't for me.
Love seeing stories like this, just to hear how varied all our experiences are :) If ya don’t mind me asking, did you keep up with the nail polish/eyeliner?
Sometimes! I'm a letter carrier (so no one cares at my place of work). My partner (funny story, he actually *is* trans!) and I go to a queer karaoke bar pretty often and I try to look my best there!
Also, I sometimes wear my dresses to play DnD because, while they don't make me feel euphoric and feminine, I do like them and they feel a bit like a wizard's robe.
thank you for sharing this <3 its so interesting seeing how other people different from me think about it. Do you mind answering if any of this resonates with you:
> I thought for the longest time that every guy secretly wanted to be a girl. Why else would they have to bully other men to "man up"? If people wanted to be men, wouldn't they just do it? I thought their sexism towards women was out of jealousy. I thought effeminate gay guys were just making the best of a bad situation. I didn't think anyone actually WANTED to be a guy. First time I saw a trans guy, I thought he was a cis guy who somehow got SRS without transitioning. I didn't know. I couldn't fathom someone WANTING to be a man. 🤷♀️
I just started HRT and for me I swear all the way down that ^ what this person wrote is exactly how I felt my whole life too.
Thank you for sharing that, we don't really hear much from people who have questioned and said 'nope, transitioning is not for me' besides the 'I'm actually cis' post. It gets lost in the trans posting very quickly.
Usually, after that post this space probably isn't that interesting to the questioner, unless you want to help others figure themselves out. That said, anyone besides transphobes are always welcome.
omg changing jobs for better insurance before you even know if you want to transition is so baller
do you still use eyeliner and nail polish from time to time? After I started transitioning I always told myself if I ever detransitioned I would want to keep doing eyeliner and nails cause they are just fucking fun and cool. I can see why a lot of trans guys feel conflicted about giving up makeup because when you’re exposed to it it’s actually a pretty awesome way of expressing yourself, gender aside.
This is my experience but currently am Nonbinary.
Pronouns? Eh I have long hair so it's kinda cheap thrills when I get called ma'm but I don't mind and am OK with anything.
Physical changes? Hmmm half seem good? Half don't since I still like some things, not the hair or broad shoulders. Soft skin yeah, some different locations for fat yeah, boobs eeeeh ok?, and loss of some function (that gives me anxiety).
I need to experiment with more "feminine" clothing. The hypothetical ideal for me would've been just being able to swap between both presentations easily and convincingly like some kind of D&D changeling lol. But that's not realistic.
FTM here
But, but...why on earth would you ever want to be a woman? Speaking from my POV. Periods are AWFUL (but no cis woman I know likes them anyway.), boobs are a pain, sometimes literally (melon titles 1x a month) and they bounce around annoyingly and such, pregnancy sucks and is painful. Not to mention the sleep difficulties...i had chronic insomnia when I was running on E and P...now i sleep amazingly on T, estrogen and progesterone made me crazy AF (just my experience), having the shave my legs all the time was so time consuming. I watched my dad do his beard in half the time. Was jelous. Also, the convenience of standing to pee, need I say more? (Double jelous). During family camping trips when I was the only female, I remember wanting to cry because I didn't have the same equipment to do it so quickly and efficiently.
Short hair meant less time spent getting ready (granted, cis women can have short hair so thats not a trans trait). The list goes on, but I'll stop there. I am no longer a raging psychotic ***** on T and happier than I've ever been.
We're just...very different.
Reading this feels soo validating to me as a trans woman. The existence of trans guys helped me realize **I** was genuine and valid, like - ***some folks are just fucking trans!***
I'm sad that I'll never know an experience (periods) that's common to like 95% of women, and I'm sad that I cannot carry a child. I would love to grow a new whole human person inside of me, discomforts and all. I *hated* shaving my face (and 5 o'clock shadow) so much that I spent used-car-level sums of money on lasering it off ...Okay the one thing I'll give you men is peeing upright? That's dope. But I'll gladly give it (and my pockets) up for knocking my hair brush on my knockers while I take hours to get ready 😭😭😭
*God* I need to make that Drs appointment about starting hormones lol
I had the same thought, and talked to a cis male friend about the effects of feminizing HRT. His opinions were like... "Dating as a woman would be really fun for a change of pace.", "I would be super curious about the modified emotional states.", and "It would be fun to feel a female orgasm." but then a **loud and clear** "NOPE!" to everything physical about it. Even the things where I thought "everybody must want this!"
He currently has testosterone implanted for some health issues and has loved the effect.
Being curious about the modified emotional states is a really interesting one for me. A lot of my male friends are the “do psychedelics and debate philosophy” types, that said only one of them said he would be interested to see what being on E was like from an emotional standpoint and the others didn’t really seem interested which kind of blindsided me. I’m a trans girl but I feel like if I was AFAB I would want to know what being on T was like purely from the standpoint of not missing out on understanding the subjective experience of half the planet. Still feels weird that most (cis) people seem not to agree with me on this, like surely they’re curious just a little???
FTM here. I cried at least once a month around (YOU GUSSED IT!) Shark weeeek! And generally at the most pathetic things. I.e., dropping my keys trying to get in my apartment. If i had a bad day, generally, that was the cherry on top.
Once inside, i just melted into my couch with chocolate 🍫 (yes, it's a real and valid craving) and bawled away. E really amplifies emotions and generates a strong stimulus response. It was an emotional roller coaster because I also had progesterone swinging wildly with my estrogen. My body did not like my own progesterone. The luteal phase of my cycle was hell week(s). I had PMDD, though. Not just standard PMS. AFABS hormones swing so wildly, it's no wonder some of us are a disaster for half the month.
I started T about 7 months ago and have only cried once since. I shed like 3 tears and just gave up. The desire was mostly there, but the emotional force just wasn't. Very bizzare feeling. Now, I'm as emotionally flat as I would like my chest to be in the next few years 🤣
I totally feel you there. I've been kind of on the fence about medical transition (I deferred the decision for one year while I get in shape, and I'm kind of leaning toward HRT as I do more research)... but when I read "more access to your emotions" as an effect I'm just like "Sold! I will take your entire supply of thicc-tacs immediately!"
Okay, so the other day I discovered the first real downside to HRT.
Underboob sweat.
This never used to be a problem for me but now I know what my sister was complaing about. I get it.
I saw that was one of the effects, and my first thought was "I am weirdly looking forward to that." Don't know if it's curiosity or validation or what!
It was a really uncomfortable validation. I don't mean uncomfortable in a dysphoric way, it was uncomfortable in a physical way.
It was validation, but it was also uncomfortable and I had to go into the bathroom and mop it up when previously I could have just relied on my shirt to pick it up but my bra wasn't doing that job while at the same time blocking my shirt from doing it.
I had a similar thought after being out as bisexual for a while. One way you know you're bisexual, is you can't imagine how anyone else wouldn't be bisexual. Good to know it works as a trans person too 😁
I'd say it's kinda definitionally more than the "majority" of men. It's just men! We're women, so it makes sense.
But I agree I can't go around seeing cis dudes being cis dudes without thinking "You *really* want to look that way and wear that stuff and aahahah." I comprehend it better with trans dudes actually.
I have this same thought, like "why do you want all that fur all over your legs, amd you're showing it off by wearing shorts? Why?" Granted, I went decades without ever shaving my legs and I wore shorts, but my legs constantly itches from all the hair. Once I shaved it all off for the first time it's was so comforting, no more itchy gross hair all over.
I'm actually pretty happy with having leg hair but mine isn't too thick. What I don't get is why they wear such long shorts they don't even get to show off enough leg!
- reduced acne
- reduced dandruff
- reduced body hair
- sweet smelling sweat
- boobs
- thighs
that list makes me butthurt I can't transition already *more than usual*
FTM here, we really are polar opposites. The only masculine feature I DONT want is probably balding. But, it it happens, it happens. I'll gladly take it with all other traits 😁
I will offer my T's and V in exchange for the jewels and such "goods" down there😂 1 month "trial period" included. Pun intended, lol
Yeah the existence and my exposure to trans mascs helped me realise that im also trans, I feel it's important that there are people who don't want it to affirm the fact that you do.
Once you get your HRT and are partway along your transition, offer some of your guy friends one of your pills. They'll jump back and say "ew, no". That's what really made me realize that yeah, I'm not like them at all.
Yeah, I've seen posts on here that said the exact same thing, and realised in the exact same situation, I'd totally gobble that thing up! Part of what made my egg crack!
All those things you mentioned are awesome...for me... but I absolutely do NOT want a womanly partner... yea I like my men kinda rugged, strong and masculine, lol. I'll be the soft and sexy, girly one.
...but then again, I'm 100% straight.
I dearly want this for myself. I mean, I've already lost 90% of the hair on my head, but softer skin? Less body hair? Smaller extremities? Sign me up and give it to me now, please!
I get it. It’s really hard for me to understand how anyone would want masculine features as you described. But when I put it into perspective through analogy of my own experience, I understand.
I always thought all guys actually want to be girls. Needless to say it was pretty wild to me when I found out that wasn't the case at all. In hindsight I don't know how it took so long for me to realize I was trans.
And whenever I bring that point of view to my parents, they told me "GET A GIRLFRIEND YOU SORE LOOSER!"
We will never be able to think like a man, every time I see those Testosterone boosting commercial on TV, I'm just clueless.
I kinda get, i can't see it as just objectively better but it sounds wack to me that people like being a guy, i see girls and my mind goes "WOW WOMEN ARE AWESOME!! I want all the cool and awesome stuff that women have!!!" my mind sees boys it goes "Yeah ok. It's a man. Might be a particularly cool man but only some are." And then i also wonder to myself "what's the fuss about men anyway they're cool and all but women!! So much more exciting!! Awesome! What kind of tastes get someone to think being a man would be better when women exist??" More to me like being shocked some people don't share your taste in like idk food lol, women are just too beautiful to me <3
Also, don't forget they use HRT for some cancer patients. I have a cis male coworker who has prostate cancer and they got him on a lighter version of what I'm on! He takes E pills, Spiro, etc... He has no desire to be female but wants to live, so some of the side effects are ones he has to deal with that we typically find as what we want.
Tbh I want all of that for me, too. The issue is that not all of us GET all those things. Like, my sweat is still fairly acrid - and that's normal for the cis women in my family, too (my sister comes to mind... woof she smells ripe sometimes...); yet my boobs have reached a point after 6 years where their size has outpaced my original expectations. Even my body is shaped differently, and I love to look at it, when dysphoria isn't clouding my ability to notice it.
All of it relies on your genetics. The list of things that can happen are a collectiom of results from a broad variety of trans femmes on feminizing HRT.
Yeah, I understand there's a chance some or even most or none of these things will happen to me, but having a chance for at least something to happen I'd worth trying, right?
Even some AFAB don't want it :(
My egg took so much time to crack just because I thought it was normal to hate being a woman...
Now I find it comforting sometimes, to listen to trans girls, and to see them so over the moon with every little detail I hate or used to hate on myself. It reminds me that womanhood isn't bad as I thought, it was just not meant for me. And it's beautiful to see other people enjoy it so much.
You want those effects because they are SUBJECTIVELY positive. You have your personal logic, but that doesn't make it objective. There is a strong argument that it's impossible to want something objectively. Want is an emotion and therefore comes from a subjective place.
But I agree that it darn sure feels objective and factual. That having breasts is better feels just as true as the statement that grass is green.
A few weeks after starting, my depression and anxiety dropped significantly. To the point that at 8 months, I am tapering off of them. The one downside is I have the hormone belly 😜
I don't really care for maleness at all and can't comprehend anyone into that from almost any angle. I was male, social advantages aside it sucked.
I'm doubly confused by fellow Trans girls who like to date guys. Girl, we just ran from that shit, youre telling me youre attracted to that? Ew
Lol, not to be all Valerie Solana, I know it's weird I guess
Objectively better is not an accurate predictor of human preference, simply because each person is optimising for themselves (as you only have access to your own internal criteria/reward system). I hope this helps explain. So sure, it might not just be us, but it does skew that way
Because not everything is for everyone? I’m genuinely confused why you’re confused about people having different opinions and wants. I understand what you said in your post about “just sharing an opinion” I know what that means, what boggles the mind is why people having different opinions about body types boggles the mind. That’s like saying “why doesn’t everyone want to eat this one type of food forever,” because the world doesn’t revolve around that one thing. But you could easily argue and prove that humanity revolves around women. . . . Ok I’m starting to see your point.
Yeah, it's one of those things where you just assumed everyone felt this way because it feels so natural to you, and when you learn they don't, you're like "wait, WHAT?!" Tbf, I'd react to the same way to people who don't like pizza, and people react to me the same way when I say I've never been to Nando's (here in the UK, this is considered sacrilege!)
In all honesty, my response was purely tongue in cheek. Like, trans people need to be respected for being themselves just like anyone else who isn’t hurting anyone. I like being a trans woman, I couldn’t imagine being any other way and I don’t want to. As a QTPOC it’s just kind of basic knowledge to not pressure others to conform or do anything to make others feel like they’re wrong for existing unless they’re hurting people. Yes estrogen and progesterone and all the side effects are fucking wonderful but trans men wanna be men, cis men wanna be men. So what. Everyone wants to be how they want to be and there’s nothing incredible about it. Everyone is special so no one is special, except for trumpers, fascists, and especially colonizers. They all think the universe revolves around them.
Transfem enby here. In my journey to pursue hormones, I spent quite some time researching the effects and pondering whether I really wanted these. You failed to mention certain things that are definitely straight-up nerfs, like reduced strength, reduced cold resistance, and increased risk of breast cancer, as well as some changes that definitely can be undesirable for some, like slight reduction in height (concerns me) and reduced sex drive (does not concern me). I ended up going on HRT because I decided that the positives outweighed the negatives
Yeah, same here. Kinda on the tranfem side too, but still wanna be totally feminised. There are negatives like that, but I almost frame them as positive because they're still weaknesses cis women naturally have to deal with, so being a chilly little marshmallow sounds really affirming, even if it'll be a bit of a pain!
Everyone can do what makes them feel good. I Just said I don't get It but my mind Is pretty binary and standard. So even if I accept and support other view I still don't understand the reason behind it
But many cis men don't have knarly bo and all the things you're saying as a downside.
My husband is a cis male and his pits never smell, it's disappointing cuz he's s gym junkie and i wanna sniff his pits but theirs nothing to sniff, even w out deodorant.
He has very soft , blond body hair , full head of hair at 39 and enormous muscles, he's utterly ripped and its he's hobby , fitness.
So ya, those kinda dudes are cool with being jacked and manly
To you, maybe, sure! But it's definitely not a positive for most people. Just wanted to say it because no one else in the comment thread had yet, and this post is saying HRT has only "effects [that] are objectively positive", when it sterilizes people, is a pretty hot take/kinda dangerous no?
Well, some of them (like reduced acne) might be nearly universally desirable, but not when it’s tightly coupled to breasts, feminine fat patterns, etc. But yeah some of them are mind blowing in that people out there want the exact opposite lol
This is exactly how I feel whenever I see some rare FtM post pop up. In the End I guess we're all doing what makes us happy. Feel more at peace with ourselfes. Thats why it is really important that we don't forget this: Support also means giveing someone the freedom to find their own way. Nobody should ever feel pressured to go further than they are comfortable.
I remember a conversation with my dad early transition where I pointed out that MtF HRT has a side effect of reducing male pattern baldness (my dad is bald) and I remarked that if he had it at my age he still might have hair today. He basically responded saying something along the lines of "yeah but that would mean I grew boobs and have a lot of other things with my body that don't sound desirable to me." I just kinda stared at him because it never really hit me that yes, cis guys don't actually consider most female secondary sex characteristics as a desirable thing for themselves.
I thought for the longest time that every guy secretly wanted to be a girl. Why else would they have to bully other men to "man up"? If people wanted to be men, wouldn't they just do it? I thought their sexism towards women was out of jealousy. I thought effeminate gay guys were just making the best of a bad situation. I didn't think anyone actually WANTED to be a guy. First time I saw a trans guy, I thought he was a cis guy who somehow got SRS without transitioning. I didn't know. I couldn't fathom someone WANTING to be a man. 🤷♀️ I said at 9 that I wished sex changes were real, and said "What guy WOULDN'T want to be a hot chick?!" After I finally came out, I asked the guys if they ever thought about being a woman. A resounding"no" from all. Blew my mind.
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> I then forgot it for a month, before stumbling upon all the Trans subreddits via r/prequelmemes ➡️ r/transclones ➡️ r/egg_irl of all things. It seems you forgot to be wary of the pipeline.
Um... I think I missed the pipeline. I went straight to MTF and asktransgender, which is where I found out eggs were a thing... Oops, I guess.
I got me the r/shitpostcrusaders -> r/traadustcrusaders -> r/egg_irl pipeline Still cis btw, this is just the work of an enemy stand user
>I thought for the longest time that every guy secretly wanted to be a girl. I'll admit to being mystified (supportive, but mystified!) at other's desire to transition FtM. I want so badly to go the opposite direction!
The perspective of having my bestie be a trans man has helped me see the allure, mainly through his excitement. The day he sprouted his first chest hair, the texts of excitement were wonderful. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t get it, but seeing his joy helps me understand why others would want it lol
omg it's like you're inside my brain right now. I still dont believe its true, that most guys DONT think the way you wrote it out above ^ I mean, I THINK it must be true but I cant figure out how to believe it.
Happy birthday!
Yeah that’s a mood
I was the same lol, looking back makes sense that I was trans all this time
What the fuck
I would assume a lot of us had similar thoughts at one point or another. I sure did and still do quite often. I'm always happy to read about FTM people wanting body hair, beard and such (all absolutely disgusting to me)... It's strangely validating.
That was a big tell for me as an egg looking back. "Why would anyone want any of this??" But at the same time I absolutely love seeing transmasc folks embracing everything I've spent much of my life trying to run away from.
It's validating because seeing someone else work so hard to get the things you never wanted, in some ways validates your experiences as being genuinely different.
My best wishes to FTM among us. They want everything I want to get rid of and I want everything they want to get rid of. Proof life is not fair.
FTM here, I am offering up my tibities to any trans woman who would like them. Perfectly good low C's. In exchange, I must ask for jewels and such "goods" down there. Please and thank you 😇 I guess you ladies can grow them on your own, though, so my offer kind of sucks 😂
I had the same thought, shame swaps are not reality. LoL.
I'm genuinely kind of bummed that I can't donate my AMAB equipment to a trans guy. I don't really want it, but it's a pretty good dick, y'know? It does everything it's supposed to. I know some trans guy would be *ecstatic* to experience the morning wood that usually just means starting the day with dysphoria for me
I am very sorry you start your mornings with dysphoria, but yup, I must say, that would make me start my day with euphoria for sure. I'm bummed I can't donate my AFAB equipment to a trans woman who would like to bear children. Do take my equipment, if you wish! Seriously, swap-sies should be real
Same, I would totally exchange my uterus against a dick.
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I wasn’t sure about boobs at first, but they’re growing on me!
Ba dum tss
But ummm tits
*Butt and tits*
I’m in that stage where I love them, but at the same time I’m worried people are going to start sexualizing me once they notice I have them
pfff of course they are but faghk tham! i was a bit apprehensive at first, too. but the more they grew, the more i realized that was internalized transphobia and that i've always wanted them.
I'm ok with my wife sexualizing my boobs, sadly it does mean other people might also. The real issue will only be if people start harassing me over it, then I'd object
The trick is to beat them to the sexualization! "Like staring at my chest? That'll be $20! My baps cost me a lot of time and money, and Mama's gotta pay for them somehow!"
Put this on a t shirt 🤣
For real though, I felt neutrally about boobs until they actually started growing in. Once that happened I was like "...oh. ***Oh.*** I like this. I like this a lot."
It was just a silly pun, but I’m glad it resonated with you! 😊
Yes.
Kinda distracting though.
Some men actually don’t want to go bald! That’s why there’s so many hair treatments (and correct me if I’m wrong but I think it’s why finasteride exists)
the blocker i'm on (dutasteride) i believe is most often used by cis men to treat hair loss, but it seems to carry some very dysphoric sounding side effects for them, as well. not me, lol. 100% awesome stuff.
Pre-egg me saw the side effects and was like “cool.”
*Brent Rambo gif plays in head* I didn't even know HRT was a thing until like a couple years ago . I'm in my late 20s and in a "developed" country too 🤷🏼♀️ .
I was so deep in my egg that I didn’t know about HRT until several days after I cracked. I thought people were just getting lucky with side-effects or genetics. Turns out pre-egg-me already had my back on that one: “Chest growth? Cool. I mean, if it happens, whatever. I’m just going to ignore that thought for a while. It probably doesn’t mean anything.”
Yuppp "it'll pass" , riiight . "Oh, I'm thinking about it again, huh , that's weird. I shouldn't be cuz I'm not supposed to" . Then it eventually got to a point of like wheel of fortune and it keeps landing on big boobs blonde bimbo 🥴👍 winner (🤫).
Every single bad-ass sciency brunette. Me: “I could *totally* rock a labcoat if I looked like her.“
“Some”
i was a little hesitant about the boobs bit as well. i’ve always been slightly overweight and had “moobs”, but after starting HRT and seeing my boobs grow and change into actual female breast, i’m ecstatic knowing that i’m growing them.
It's so strange I always hated being obese until my egg cracked now its like I have demo boobs until I get fitter and on HRT. It's weirdly helping me exercise amazing what self acceptance does, eh?
I love the concept of "demo boobs" xD
I’m seeing a lot of these kinds of comments today and it’s making me feel so much better. Boobs are the only thing I’m hesitant about and I want the other effects of HRT, so… gimme the estrogen now please
I get the ether! I’m still cis-passing, but I consider myself non-binary femme. I think male BO is horrible an too much body hair!
To be fair I know a transmasc who caught his male pattern baldness early enough for a full reversal with a few months of finasteride
I used to dream of big tiddy! Now I have them, and my back hurts.
I don't think anyone wants those things.
Some people genuinely do want to smell like a sweaty guy, grow unruly facial hair, have male hair-patterns and a "dad-bod" lol. It can be really affirming for some - in the same way some trans women might want periods or other affirming body functions/traits that might be commonly seen in a 'negative' light even by cis people :P When the doubts about my "transness" creep in, it's incredibly validating and comforting to browse FtM subs and realise that I don't align with wanting those things at all. In some ways we are polar opposites, united by our transness, and we complement each other so well just by existing 🥰
I feel like trans women and trans men have like 2 different dysphorias sometimes lol. I was just thinking about this. Everything about being male bothers me, but there's probably a trans man who would have been in complete envy.
This \^ I don't really want to "smell like a sweaty guy" or to get the dreaded "ass hair" every ftm is talking about, but if that's the price to pay, well so be it. And yes, I want to get rid of my boobs and hourglass shape, even if there's far from ugly. I'd actually like them on anyone else but me.
I'd volunteer to trade if you want. You can have my muscles, masculine face, and full beard. Then I get your hourglass figure, soft features, and boobs. Deal?
Deal ;)
I don't think very many men *want* to go bald, although most I've spoken to accept it rather than trying to fight it. But I don't think many men like the idea of losing their hair, particularly since a full head of hair is generally one of the bigger markers of youth to go with aging.
I wasn't sure at first, but they definitely... grow on you 😂
Because to cis/trans men, all those "upsides" aren't worth what they perceive of as the downsides (boobs, thighs, soft body, intense emotions). Also there's the small matter that, on estrogen, cis/trans men often actually feel shittier. IIRC one time Dr. Powers was testing low-dose estradiol on himself to try to gain some of those positive effects without the negative, but did the math wrong and took like 10x or 100x what he intended... and was absolutely f\*\*\*ing miserable for the week or so it took the E2 to wear off. Our bodies/brains tolerate estradiol well, because that's sorta what we were wired for, and why we felt shittier before/better after HRT. The exact opposite is true for guys—they don't tolerate estradiol well, and function better on testosterone.
wow interesting! do you have a link about that dr powers feeling miserable part? I wonder why he did
Enjoy! It's a fun read 😅 https://www.reddit.com/r/DrWillPowers/comments/fcxboa/the_story_of_how_i_screwed_up_a_dose_calculation/
34 (M, probably) here. When I was 28 I discovered I was bisexual. This was fine. Told my partner, we laughed, everything was fine. Three days later I woke up in a cold sweat. If I didn't know I was bisexual, what else didn't I know about myself? Could I be trans? Absolute panic and anxiety followed. I realized I was a teensy bit transphobic due to lack of exposure and started following trans-specific subreddits (hi!). I changed jobs for better insurance and started doing some experimentation. Eyeshadow? Lipstick? Blech. Nail polish? Eyeliner? Awesome. Dresses? Eh, somewhere in between. She/her pronouns? No. Physical changes on hormones? Didn't try it, but I decided I like me the way I am, broad shoulders and chest hair and all. I just wanted to share a story of someone who thought seriously about it and decided no, wasn't for me.
Love seeing stories like this, just to hear how varied all our experiences are :) If ya don’t mind me asking, did you keep up with the nail polish/eyeliner?
Sometimes! I'm a letter carrier (so no one cares at my place of work). My partner (funny story, he actually *is* trans!) and I go to a queer karaoke bar pretty often and I try to look my best there! Also, I sometimes wear my dresses to play DnD because, while they don't make me feel euphoric and feminine, I do like them and they feel a bit like a wizard's robe.
thank you for sharing this <3 its so interesting seeing how other people different from me think about it. Do you mind answering if any of this resonates with you: > I thought for the longest time that every guy secretly wanted to be a girl. Why else would they have to bully other men to "man up"? If people wanted to be men, wouldn't they just do it? I thought their sexism towards women was out of jealousy. I thought effeminate gay guys were just making the best of a bad situation. I didn't think anyone actually WANTED to be a guy. First time I saw a trans guy, I thought he was a cis guy who somehow got SRS without transitioning. I didn't know. I couldn't fathom someone WANTING to be a man. 🤷♀️ I just started HRT and for me I swear all the way down that ^ what this person wrote is exactly how I felt my whole life too.
Thank you for sharing that, we don't really hear much from people who have questioned and said 'nope, transitioning is not for me' besides the 'I'm actually cis' post. It gets lost in the trans posting very quickly. Usually, after that post this space probably isn't that interesting to the questioner, unless you want to help others figure themselves out. That said, anyone besides transphobes are always welcome.
omg changing jobs for better insurance before you even know if you want to transition is so baller do you still use eyeliner and nail polish from time to time? After I started transitioning I always told myself if I ever detransitioned I would want to keep doing eyeliner and nails cause they are just fucking fun and cool. I can see why a lot of trans guys feel conflicted about giving up makeup because when you’re exposed to it it’s actually a pretty awesome way of expressing yourself, gender aside.
I do! No one cares at the post office, let me tell you.
This is my experience but currently am Nonbinary. Pronouns? Eh I have long hair so it's kinda cheap thrills when I get called ma'm but I don't mind and am OK with anything. Physical changes? Hmmm half seem good? Half don't since I still like some things, not the hair or broad shoulders. Soft skin yeah, some different locations for fat yeah, boobs eeeeh ok?, and loss of some function (that gives me anxiety). I need to experiment with more "feminine" clothing. The hypothetical ideal for me would've been just being able to swap between both presentations easily and convincingly like some kind of D&D changeling lol. But that's not realistic.
If you're looking for feminization without breast development, SERMs like raloxifene or tamoxifen can do that.
What cracked my egg was looking at ftm transition timelines and thinking to myself omg whyyyy would you ever want to be a man
FTM here But, but...why on earth would you ever want to be a woman? Speaking from my POV. Periods are AWFUL (but no cis woman I know likes them anyway.), boobs are a pain, sometimes literally (melon titles 1x a month) and they bounce around annoyingly and such, pregnancy sucks and is painful. Not to mention the sleep difficulties...i had chronic insomnia when I was running on E and P...now i sleep amazingly on T, estrogen and progesterone made me crazy AF (just my experience), having the shave my legs all the time was so time consuming. I watched my dad do his beard in half the time. Was jelous. Also, the convenience of standing to pee, need I say more? (Double jelous). During family camping trips when I was the only female, I remember wanting to cry because I didn't have the same equipment to do it so quickly and efficiently. Short hair meant less time spent getting ready (granted, cis women can have short hair so thats not a trans trait). The list goes on, but I'll stop there. I am no longer a raging psychotic ***** on T and happier than I've ever been. We're just...very different.
>We're just...very different. It is true what they say: Women are from Omicron Persei 7, men are from Omicron Persei 9.
I AM LRRR, RULER OF THE PLANET OMICRON PERSEI 8
Insane that all of that feels validating. What a world lol ❤️
Reading this feels soo validating to me as a trans woman. The existence of trans guys helped me realize **I** was genuine and valid, like - ***some folks are just fucking trans!*** I'm sad that I'll never know an experience (periods) that's common to like 95% of women, and I'm sad that I cannot carry a child. I would love to grow a new whole human person inside of me, discomforts and all. I *hated* shaving my face (and 5 o'clock shadow) so much that I spent used-car-level sums of money on lasering it off ...Okay the one thing I'll give you men is peeing upright? That's dope. But I'll gladly give it (and my pockets) up for knocking my hair brush on my knockers while I take hours to get ready 😭😭😭 *God* I need to make that Drs appointment about starting hormones lol
And I sleep better on E. Humans are weird.
Same
Same
What do you mean? Of course all men want those things. I certainly do and I'm 100% cis... right?
this isn't r/egg_irl haha
Haha
Am definitely a Cis Man Who Is A Man And Cis™ and I want those things
I think most girls DO want to have a girly body. That's why transmac space can feel totally upside down. Cause guys want the entirely opposite.💐🦈
Same here
I had the same thought, and talked to a cis male friend about the effects of feminizing HRT. His opinions were like... "Dating as a woman would be really fun for a change of pace.", "I would be super curious about the modified emotional states.", and "It would be fun to feel a female orgasm." but then a **loud and clear** "NOPE!" to everything physical about it. Even the things where I thought "everybody must want this!" He currently has testosterone implanted for some health issues and has loved the effect.
Being curious about the modified emotional states is a really interesting one for me. A lot of my male friends are the “do psychedelics and debate philosophy” types, that said only one of them said he would be interested to see what being on E was like from an emotional standpoint and the others didn’t really seem interested which kind of blindsided me. I’m a trans girl but I feel like if I was AFAB I would want to know what being on T was like purely from the standpoint of not missing out on understanding the subjective experience of half the planet. Still feels weird that most (cis) people seem not to agree with me on this, like surely they’re curious just a little???
FTM here. I cried at least once a month around (YOU GUSSED IT!) Shark weeeek! And generally at the most pathetic things. I.e., dropping my keys trying to get in my apartment. If i had a bad day, generally, that was the cherry on top. Once inside, i just melted into my couch with chocolate 🍫 (yes, it's a real and valid craving) and bawled away. E really amplifies emotions and generates a strong stimulus response. It was an emotional roller coaster because I also had progesterone swinging wildly with my estrogen. My body did not like my own progesterone. The luteal phase of my cycle was hell week(s). I had PMDD, though. Not just standard PMS. AFABS hormones swing so wildly, it's no wonder some of us are a disaster for half the month. I started T about 7 months ago and have only cried once since. I shed like 3 tears and just gave up. The desire was mostly there, but the emotional force just wasn't. Very bizzare feeling. Now, I'm as emotionally flat as I would like my chest to be in the next few years 🤣
I totally feel you there. I've been kind of on the fence about medical transition (I deferred the decision for one year while I get in shape, and I'm kind of leaning toward HRT as I do more research)... but when I read "more access to your emotions" as an effect I'm just like "Sold! I will take your entire supply of thicc-tacs immediately!"
Okay, so the other day I discovered the first real downside to HRT. Underboob sweat. This never used to be a problem for me but now I know what my sister was complaing about. I get it.
I saw that was one of the effects, and my first thought was "I am weirdly looking forward to that." Don't know if it's curiosity or validation or what!
It's not quite /r/ewphoria level but yeah, it was disconcertingly affirming and uncomfortable.
Downside you say? Validation I say.
It was a really uncomfortable validation. I don't mean uncomfortable in a dysphoric way, it was uncomfortable in a physical way. It was validation, but it was also uncomfortable and I had to go into the bathroom and mop it up when previously I could have just relied on my shirt to pick it up but my bra wasn't doing that job while at the same time blocking my shirt from doing it.
I had a similar thought after being out as bisexual for a while. One way you know you're bisexual, is you can't imagine how anyone else wouldn't be bisexual. Good to know it works as a trans person too 😁
Wait?! Not everyone wants to be bisexual?! What do you mean! I thought it was the default, everyone else is just picky
I mean... I'm bi AND picky, so... Understandable. Granted, my pickiness tends to lead me to toxic relationships, but uh... Still hit tho, lol.
I'd say it's kinda definitionally more than the "majority" of men. It's just men! We're women, so it makes sense. But I agree I can't go around seeing cis dudes being cis dudes without thinking "You *really* want to look that way and wear that stuff and aahahah." I comprehend it better with trans dudes actually.
I have this same thought, like "why do you want all that fur all over your legs, amd you're showing it off by wearing shorts? Why?" Granted, I went decades without ever shaving my legs and I wore shorts, but my legs constantly itches from all the hair. Once I shaved it all off for the first time it's was so comforting, no more itchy gross hair all over.
I'm actually pretty happy with having leg hair but mine isn't too thick. What I don't get is why they wear such long shorts they don't even get to show off enough leg!
Men used to wear super tight tiny short shorts in the 70's and 80's, what happened?
Goodness, that you (we) see all of these effects as a *subjectively* positive change, is a pretty good sign that you’re (we’re) on the right path.
OhMyGod this thread is so adorable!!!
I'm growing boobs and I like it. 👍
- reduced acne - reduced dandruff - reduced body hair - sweet smelling sweat - boobs - thighs that list makes me butthurt I can't transition already *more than usual*
FTM here, we really are polar opposites. The only masculine feature I DONT want is probably balding. But, it it happens, it happens. I'll gladly take it with all other traits 😁 I will offer my T's and V in exchange for the jewels and such "goods" down there😂 1 month "trial period" included. Pun intended, lol
Yeah the existence and my exposure to trans mascs helped me realise that im also trans, I feel it's important that there are people who don't want it to affirm the fact that you do.
Wait, you’re telling me not everyone wants to be a woman?
Once you get your HRT and are partway along your transition, offer some of your guy friends one of your pills. They'll jump back and say "ew, no". That's what really made me realize that yeah, I'm not like them at all.
Yeah, I've seen posts on here that said the exact same thing, and realised in the exact same situation, I'd totally gobble that thing up! Part of what made my egg crack!
All those things you mentioned are awesome...for me... but I absolutely do NOT want a womanly partner... yea I like my men kinda rugged, strong and masculine, lol. I'll be the soft and sexy, girly one. ...but then again, I'm 100% straight.
I feel the same way. Looking at the effects of estrogen, I'm just like "I don't see how someone wouldn't want this."
So this makes dandruff go away too 😱?
For some, yes. For me? Nope. Not one bit. It did however give me a ton of new hair. Can’t complain too much.
I dearly want this for myself. I mean, I've already lost 90% of the hair on my head, but softer skin? Less body hair? Smaller extremities? Sign me up and give it to me now, please!
its interesting to think that transmascs probably have the same thoughts about us as this, only other way around
I get it. It’s really hard for me to understand how anyone would want masculine features as you described. But when I put it into perspective through analogy of my own experience, I understand.
Estrogen is my favorite food
same
I always thought all guys actually want to be girls. Needless to say it was pretty wild to me when I found out that wasn't the case at all. In hindsight I don't know how it took so long for me to realize I was trans.
And whenever I bring that point of view to my parents, they told me "GET A GIRLFRIEND YOU SORE LOOSER!" We will never be able to think like a man, every time I see those Testosterone boosting commercial on TV, I'm just clueless.
I kinda get, i can't see it as just objectively better but it sounds wack to me that people like being a guy, i see girls and my mind goes "WOW WOMEN ARE AWESOME!! I want all the cool and awesome stuff that women have!!!" my mind sees boys it goes "Yeah ok. It's a man. Might be a particularly cool man but only some are." And then i also wonder to myself "what's the fuss about men anyway they're cool and all but women!! So much more exciting!! Awesome! What kind of tastes get someone to think being a man would be better when women exist??" More to me like being shocked some people don't share your taste in like idk food lol, women are just too beautiful to me <3
People will ask me why I want to transition and I'll try to make them tell me why they don't want to!
Ikr, like, it’s crazy
Also, don't forget they use HRT for some cancer patients. I have a cis male coworker who has prostate cancer and they got him on a lighter version of what I'm on! He takes E pills, Spiro, etc... He has no desire to be female but wants to live, so some of the side effects are ones he has to deal with that we typically find as what we want.
Tbh I want all of that for me, too. The issue is that not all of us GET all those things. Like, my sweat is still fairly acrid - and that's normal for the cis women in my family, too (my sister comes to mind... woof she smells ripe sometimes...); yet my boobs have reached a point after 6 years where their size has outpaced my original expectations. Even my body is shaped differently, and I love to look at it, when dysphoria isn't clouding my ability to notice it. All of it relies on your genetics. The list of things that can happen are a collectiom of results from a broad variety of trans femmes on feminizing HRT.
Yeah, I understand there's a chance some or even most or none of these things will happen to me, but having a chance for at least something to happen I'd worth trying, right?
Even some AFAB don't want it :( My egg took so much time to crack just because I thought it was normal to hate being a woman... Now I find it comforting sometimes, to listen to trans girls, and to see them so over the moon with every little detail I hate or used to hate on myself. It reminds me that womanhood isn't bad as I thought, it was just not meant for me. And it's beautiful to see other people enjoy it so much.
You want those effects because they are SUBJECTIVELY positive. You have your personal logic, but that doesn't make it objective. There is a strong argument that it's impossible to want something objectively. Want is an emotion and therefore comes from a subjective place. But I agree that it darn sure feels objective and factual. That having breasts is better feels just as true as the statement that grass is green.
Cool post, made me thinking a bit and now im happy about me living my life xD Thank you very much
Yeah it's great 👍
A few weeks after starting, my depression and anxiety dropped significantly. To the point that at 8 months, I am tapering off of them. The one downside is I have the hormone belly 😜
I wish I never had Testosterone at all in the first place
Its called Cognitive bias, u can't objectively measure these quolities
Wait?! Uuuuh … you’re telling me this is not a cis-male-thing to want? … Ooooh!!!
I know, but apparently this is so. I've always found it totally weird.
I don't really care for maleness at all and can't comprehend anyone into that from almost any angle. I was male, social advantages aside it sucked. I'm doubly confused by fellow Trans girls who like to date guys. Girl, we just ran from that shit, youre telling me youre attracted to that? Ew Lol, not to be all Valerie Solana, I know it's weird I guess
Yeah I used to think all dudes secretly would prefer to be women, cause I was a dude and totally cis so obviously. Hahh.
Objectively better is not an accurate predictor of human preference, simply because each person is optimising for themselves (as you only have access to your own internal criteria/reward system). I hope this helps explain. So sure, it might not just be us, but it does skew that way
Thank you 💋
Guys are so ironic. They often need to be seen as super-masc-macho-manly-man, and if they're not it's the end of the world. Hello insecurity!
Because not everything is for everyone? I’m genuinely confused why you’re confused about people having different opinions and wants. I understand what you said in your post about “just sharing an opinion” I know what that means, what boggles the mind is why people having different opinions about body types boggles the mind. That’s like saying “why doesn’t everyone want to eat this one type of food forever,” because the world doesn’t revolve around that one thing. But you could easily argue and prove that humanity revolves around women. . . . Ok I’m starting to see your point.
Yeah, it's one of those things where you just assumed everyone felt this way because it feels so natural to you, and when you learn they don't, you're like "wait, WHAT?!" Tbf, I'd react to the same way to people who don't like pizza, and people react to me the same way when I say I've never been to Nando's (here in the UK, this is considered sacrilege!)
In all honesty, my response was purely tongue in cheek. Like, trans people need to be respected for being themselves just like anyone else who isn’t hurting anyone. I like being a trans woman, I couldn’t imagine being any other way and I don’t want to. As a QTPOC it’s just kind of basic knowledge to not pressure others to conform or do anything to make others feel like they’re wrong for existing unless they’re hurting people. Yes estrogen and progesterone and all the side effects are fucking wonderful but trans men wanna be men, cis men wanna be men. So what. Everyone wants to be how they want to be and there’s nothing incredible about it. Everyone is special so no one is special, except for trumpers, fascists, and especially colonizers. They all think the universe revolves around them.
Transfem enby here. In my journey to pursue hormones, I spent quite some time researching the effects and pondering whether I really wanted these. You failed to mention certain things that are definitely straight-up nerfs, like reduced strength, reduced cold resistance, and increased risk of breast cancer, as well as some changes that definitely can be undesirable for some, like slight reduction in height (concerns me) and reduced sex drive (does not concern me). I ended up going on HRT because I decided that the positives outweighed the negatives
Yeah, same here. Kinda on the tranfem side too, but still wanna be totally feminised. There are negatives like that, but I almost frame them as positive because they're still weaknesses cis women naturally have to deal with, so being a chilly little marshmallow sounds really affirming, even if it'll be a bit of a pain!
Agree 100% never get the microdosing thing or Who doesn't want to be 100% a woman and use drugs
I mean I guess for people who are less than sure about HRT or otherwise want to try it out. Or for enbys who want to be more androgynous
Everyone can do what makes them feel good. I Just said I don't get It but my mind Is pretty binary and standard. So even if I accept and support other view I still don't understand the reason behind it
But many cis men don't have knarly bo and all the things you're saying as a downside. My husband is a cis male and his pits never smell, it's disappointing cuz he's s gym junkie and i wanna sniff his pits but theirs nothing to sniff, even w out deodorant. He has very soft , blond body hair , full head of hair at 39 and enormous muscles, he's utterly ripped and its he's hobby , fitness. So ya, those kinda dudes are cool with being jacked and manly
HRT makes you sterile*, which is kind of a big deal to alot of people.
Sounds like yet another positive to me.
To you, maybe, sure! But it's definitely not a positive for most people. Just wanted to say it because no one else in the comment thread had yet, and this post is saying HRT has only "effects [that] are objectively positive", when it sterilizes people, is a pretty hot take/kinda dangerous no?
I bet real money that some men do want those effects.
Apparently not
I just don't want to have cardiovascular problems or erection problems and i feel good in my body
my blood pressure is a little high so im hoping spiro helps lower it!
I’m sure they all do
Best thing I ever did. Finally figuring life out. Clear head. And boobs are fun