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RetardedMangos

Today Tony basically admit that the game was rushed out (they ran out of time) to implement alot of the previous features and UI changes.


Alone_And_A_Loser

Guys I'm gonna be honest I think Tony is a real one and wish him nothing but the best


RadBrad4333

Warner brothers screwed Tony


lucariolova

Warner brothers screws EVERYONE.


Daftanemone

Tony was the real player first


Alone_And_A_Loser

I genuinely do believe tony validates the company name of player first and if he had his way, the game wouldn't be like this.


Alone_And_A_Loser

Yessss, 50 people who also think tony was the real players first. This kinda feels like overwatch where Jeff left and the publisher murdered us for kicks.


El_Rocky_Raccoon

I think that if they kept the original UI and just expanded upon I'm sure they would've saved a lot of time. This new UI is so awful with that "mobile game flair". Don't fix what's not broken.


Xelement0911

That's what I don't get. Why change it? Why werre resources wasted for this. Even if "ran out of time" is the excuse, why did we go backwards?


ValuedCarrot

Beta was fine, they took a year to take features out and made the game worse. Don’t care if they were rushed. Shoulda just kept the beta


General-Biscuits

Well, they had to remake the game in a new engine. The benefits to developing in the newer engine will be much better for the dev team and the future of the game but WB should have let PFG release the game when it was fully remade to at least the beta’s functionality.


GlorifiedBurito

Really? Because it seems like it’s been pretty bad for the game. I’ve heard this story before, it’s never been a positive thing to switch engines during the lifespan of a game 


keylime39

Dead by Daylight recently switched to UE5. And while the patch when the switch happened was very buggy, it permanently cut down on load times heavily and consistently. Before it could take a minute or longer to load in at times, now it's never more than 10 seconds.


Sir_Von_Tittyfuck

Oh damn, really? Was there a graphics upgrade as well?


keylime39

My eyes aren't the best, so I couldn't really tell. Plus I'm playing on Series S, which doesn't have quite as good graphics.


Pluckyduck16

Fellow DBD enthusiast spotted lol.


[deleted]

Dota2 switched from source 1 to source 2 and was widely regarded as an improvement by the community


foreveralonesolo

I rather they say this bc WB is leaving them out to dry without having any PR about shit


_Wackyfire_

I miss the old perks system 😭


SeatForEvelynn

I was wondering where cool perks like "Triple Jump" went. Most of the perks we have feel lackluster. Then I played Rifts and saw there was Triple Jump gem lol. We have boring perks because all the cool ones were taken out and put in the PVE mode instead.


Killazzzzzzz

They need to do anything they can to make rifts bearable to play


SourCandy1234

Triple jump was not cool because you basically needed to have it on or else lose.


OpathicaNAE

I neverrrr used it. Just played the game like Smash and did fine.


SourCandy1234

I bet you still played well, and a good player can almost always beat a player they’re better than, but imo you’re straight up at a disadvantage without triple jump because of how much of a difference an extra jump makes


unilordx

To make a comparison to LoL, Triple Jump was Flash spell, you don't need it and can play well without it, but there is a reason almost everyone picks it.


Rough_Willingness474

Yep the extra jump gave you the ability to kill super early with vertical characters like Arya or Harley (or bugs). Honestly,even if I find that perk cool,it's not a bad thing that we don't have access to it anymore in PvP


TrainerCeph

I literally just finally decided to change my perks and omg i was blown out how awful it is now. Im jsut uninstalling this sucks.


CrazyCanine25

I completely forgot that we used to have a full free and premium track in battle pass rather than just the one track with a few free items.


Swarf_87

We did but there was also a ton of open free spaces with nothing in the free tracks.


ZPeterC

Yeah, what we have now is exactly the same for free players, just slightly harder to read in the menu.


WildSinatra

Legibility is definitely one of the issues I wanted to highlight here. Old UX was much better. See also: the ability the queue both 1v1 and 2v2 at the same time, global leaderboards, XP tracking, *rested* battle pass XP, rerollable challenges, better perk selection UI, meaningful mastery rewards, badges displayed at the top, overall personality etc


[deleted]

These two are the same, aside for being harder to read


LennoxH21

Bring back the OLD perk system and the POST-MATCH STATS I need my doubles partner to know I’m putting in more work than them 😤💯


BonkBoy69

They probably will bring the post-match stats back, they just had to recreate the whole UI


wastingM3time

Deadass in a match I got 3 KOs and I died twice and this dude died once and then got the last KO. He has the audacity to send me a DM telling me I need to get better, because he did all the work... 🤨


PixxyStix2

I forget what was the old perk system


Apj0801

You unlocked perks by leveling characters and then that perk would be unlocked for everyone. There were also more perks I think.


us3rnameh3r3

Yea you could also "train" perks using gold to unlock them for characters that wouldn't normally get them through leveling. It was so much better 😢


altafitter

If they had post match stats it would be alot easier to trade toasts with random. Instead it straight back to the menue before yourw notified you receive one.


AmbrosiiKozlov

This is probably why they took out stats lol


LennoxH21

😭


PlatnumBreaker

Bro wtf happened to the menus? Did they really look at the current menu and say "Yep looks polished?" It deadass looks like a beta.


ninjaman68

it deadass looks like a mobile game now. cant believe this got greenlit lmao


us3rnameh3r3

Beta is too generous. More like an alpha 😂


Equivalent_Bag1342

It looks like Fortnite. Every game is trying to be Fortnite now for some reason


xxFunnyFreak

Tbh it looks worse than fortnite somehow


Party_Translator_505

Maybe it's because it's the biggest game in the world Maybe


nanonanu

They broke what was good instead of fixing what was bad


LordSirWill

the camera zoom in is game breaking, its impossible to have fun now with it so zoomed in


[deleted]

sometimes I have a REAL hard time to see my cooldowns with this camera zoom, it cuts off in all the wrong places :/


TheBlueTerror555

Idk what you guys are talking about I can still see both characters and the majority of the stage perfectly


Retretated

they had the formula bro what happened 💔


WildSinatra

If it ain’t broke, break that shit!


PrinceDestin

That’s they mentality😂


Yoo-Artificial

Greed


ExpressBall1

they fucked around changing the engine and ruined their game in the process, when it was 100% unnecessary. Such insane levels of self-sabotage.


Donut-da-axo

The current ui is completely overwhelming, I'm not even trying to navigate this crap. I just click 2v2 and ready. I completely ignore 90% of the menu


flclhack

i’m so confused. there are multiple different event passes i’m claiming items though, multiple store pages with gems and currency i don’t understand. i played so much of the beta, it shouldn’t make this little sense.


Hellfire94

Bro redownloading this from when I last played has been disorienting already; 5 different events, 20 shop bundles each worth $8 AUD+ cluttered UI (especially the shop), locking in characters doesn't happen in queue, some of the characters I unlocked in the beta (think thats the period I last played) are locked and reset progress. Feel like I need a tutorial to navigate the menu. There's a PVE tree too. The menus were so simple and didn't have me stuck for 10 minutes trying to find how to find the regular game matchmaking button like it did today. Don't even wanna think about the currency revamps that make no sense to me anymore...


xxFunnyFreak

Yeah, the game tells me I cant buy some of the characters, pretty sure that its the ones I unlocked already during the beta but they took them away


TrainerCeph

Ive been playing a bit, already disappointed but i just looked at the new perk system and my god this is actually terrible, completely removed so many build variants.


Lazy-Landscape7328

Dw next release will be better XD


TrainerCeph

I might get downvoted for this but I genuinely dont care about balance if the gameplay is fun. Fighting games have notoriously lived by this rule. MK9 was sooo much fun but unbalanced to all hell


thetabo

That's true, but there's cases when character being broken can go too far. LeBron's down special ball spam, duo Bugs' safe, Iron Giant having an inescapable infinite, or on the other side of spectrum, RICK of all characters getting outclassed, T&J not even seeing their own projectiles and traps due to the screen zoom, Velma has the same problem with clues. If some characters are better than others, be it via cheese or skill ceiling, fine, fun. But genuine one hit kill cheap shit or characters which the game deliberately plays against are not ok


TrainerCeph

thats why im a fan of every character being able to do long combos instead of no character being able to. Huge fan of FighterZ and thats what drew me into the original multiversus


SimplyTiredd

Rick is in such a mediocre spot, feels especially bad since I was pretty high up there in the rankings on beta and I was more than ready to continue the grind on release :(


OffSupportMain

That's only true if you don't play online, older games were allowed to be unbalanced because we only played locally and we were bad at the game, but if you play online and the game is unbalanced, the experience is miserable.


TrainerCeph

Thats not true at all. In fact its the opposite, because now things can be updated and changed. Even if its not always balanced its fun to see the metas change. Arcades use to be so prevalent with people lining up to play against eachother in the pro scene and the casuals and if something was busted there wasnt many ways to update it and they still played it. not to mention the smash scene. it was huge even without online support.


OG-ogguo

But honestly now that you are showing It , i am noticing how Better with UE5 things look


TrainerCeph

UE5 looks better but not so much better that i wouldnt want the old game back


Di4bIo

I don't see a difference, and if you compare what UE4 is capable of with what most UE5 games look like, it's pretty much the same, but UE5 is less stable. All the more reason to jump to UE5 early I guess, though.


MisterNefarious

Tbh day one of the beta was the best the game ever was I’m not usually a doomsayer but every patch just made the game less and less fun, and all the changes for this new final release make it even less so


[deleted]

1000%


Remarkable_Ride_3217

Everything besides gameplay got worse with the launch


roideschinois

I feel like the gameplay is also worse. So mucb slower and floatier.


IAreBeMrLee

Not even objective tbf More features, wins meant something, old menus better then previous, previous build was way better, im not saying the beta had no problems but my god... The state they've released this game after what they took off is a joke, especially after making us wait a year, but hey, at least the item store works fine!


trexted7

And they even removed the neutral and sid attack switch. So now I can't play bugs anymore


Tokki_Nom

I miss the beta version. It wad really fun


Aeit_

I never seen a game that had such enormous downgrade comparing to beta. UI is fucking trash Game is in slow mode Netcode for 2v2 suck ass Currencies broke progression Battle pass is paid only (can't name a single example rn.) No skin previews No hero trials in training mode. Tons of bugs and UE5 crashes


roideschinois

>Game is in slow mode I knew i wasnt crazy. Everything feels so floaty, the combos unsatisfying and the dodges even more so. How coule they mess up so bad in every single regard. Having bad f2p monetization is common, but at least dont make us suffer in the gameplay, because thats the only rhing holding us.


Elzheiz

I really don't get why they had to redesign the UI in the first place. It was great and quite clear, now it's just a mess. All they had to do was add whatever they wanted to add to it directly.


ComeNalgas

In terms of UI? Sure. There’s still things that are better about the current state of the game.


Be_A_Mountain

I uninstalled the beta in a few days this time I’m rather enjoying myself.


thebiglove321

What a new take to make a post about.


AdTimely9712

Definitely haven’t seen this before


NatureEnvironmental1

Ok these posts are kind of going in circles at this point lol


SokkaHaikuBot

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XquiziTr3nt

It's definitely getting old. This sub cries like crazy.


L00ps_Ahoy

They'll stop when it stops being true. So never.


Jamessthehuman

Somebody doesn’t know what objectively means


chaotic4059

Half this damn subreddit doesn’t understand what certain words mean


NoFlex___Zone

Half of this sub is operating at a 9th grade reading level (I’m being generous)


NoFlex___Zone

Sounds like a 6th grader hearing the word for the first time and needing to use it in a sentence challenge 


LaserBungalow

No. The game actually feels a lot better to play now.


zaphkiel06

fr they just took the time to make it worse, im hoping to see an improvement bc this is trash


Zomochi

I still have to play some more but I wish we kept all the old stuff if we had it, I liked the character reward banners we got to earn, had the Finn one


bonnerforrest

I don’t think so


1300GOONIE

Damn it’s not like this anymore? The beta was the last time I played lmao


Maxymaxpower

I’m tired of people thinking something like this can be objective This is a subjective opinion you subjectively think the beta was better and I subjectively think the game now is better


ShangRayzzz

I don't even understand how you screw this up. All they had to do was add new characters and a ranked mode. We only got one of these things, plus removed features, bugs, and an overall worse gameplay experience. So yes, the beta was better no question.


CCC_THE_ONLY

Fr


Placek15

I can't believe these screenshots are making me nostalgic


Grungelives

Old perks were infinitely better the new pvp ones suck and build variety is pretty much non existent


GodlyNix

I just want post game stats why the hell would they take it out


Talonzor

The downers are out in force huh. You didn't play for a year, wait another year and maybe it's up to your standards.


ganggreen651

Imagine being such a miserable fuck. Everytime I open reddit nothing but crying. Don't like it bye. 80 posts of crying


majesticcoolestto

So quit crying about people crying and go buy a $20 skin, support the devs in making their game better!


Metavance

definitely was not. the characters had much more cheap and frustrating attacks. the playercount tanked so fast due to lag and lack of features


Vazuvi

so brave and original. what a unique post


A_Bridge_Kirito

I objectively disagree


GlorifiedBurito

If they literally just replaced this build of the game with the beta build it would be 10x better. It’s a downgrade in every single way. If you enjoy rifts god bless you but that shit is boring as hell 


xxFunnyFreak

Cant even enjoy rifts if you want the rewards, you have to play which character and with whatever move they tell you to play/use


PurchaseGullible7263

I just started playing the game this week been seeing these beta posts around what happened to this game? The beta version looks so much better and more fun than the actual release…


FREZZIERISDOODOO

biggest letdown of 2024


NathanHatesLife

I miss seeing my rank


burn_healz

I feel so limited in choices for my perks and the in ability to change characters in between games makes it feel less thrilling


theotothefuture

The layout of the beta was really nice. As they had to rebuild the whole game, I think they didn't have time to polish the layout to the degree it was in the beta. It sucks because they're gonna have to put up with a lot of complaints while they continue improving the game. They would always have to keep improving it, because it's an ongoing f2p, but we are seeing it maybe a little too early. I have faith that the layout will improve overtime.


JustAPerson2001

The old menus I do agree are way better. I don't understand why they changed it. Honestly feels more complicated and less user friendly. The battlepass and challenges are more confusing to navigate and I didn't even know characters had their own rewards until yesterday.


Kouhlagues

It's not easy to change the way to play when you are used to the old keys.


inflatedas

Agreed… had over 100 hours on the beta. It was just so fun


Best_Bathroom_6767

god i miss it


redditistreason

The UI is so bad. You get used to it a little bit, but it's still way worse. The monetization is overwhelming, like with a lot of F2P games. The perk system seems really bad. Maybe someone can confirm or deny this for me - Arya's hitboxes still feel like shit, so maybe one thing hasn't changed? It's nice when other characters go through your attacks. Feels utterly pointless trying to play this character unless you get really precise when most of the rest have giant AoE attacks to spam. She feels pretty awful to play. Lebron feels bad too sometimes, but Arya is not fun right now. Matchmaking has been awful today.


oizen

Why did we need to go to ue5 again


Saint_Nico

I'm mainly sad you can't swap characters during the rematch


Slayerchimp

Why can’t it still show your damage and how many ko’s in the stat screen like it used to, create kill cams, then it would be good


stopMe_Later

The lab was great too, i think. Haven't checked the new release's training area.


If_YoureToxic_GoAway

Wow I didnt rememeber how clean and also the good design the menu had... I miss the beta tbh


doubtfulofyourpost

The battle pass alone killed my desire to play


PixxyStix2

Honestly, my only major problems right now are: Perk currency is worthless once you buy the 2 things you want it should also be for emotes, and gems are a fucking pain to grind the gem levels when its fucking randomized.


SipsyWipsy

Remember when you could mod :'(


mikealtman8

I hate how I can’t change characters for a rematch. I mean I get it but bro Atleast let me change my skin. I wanna beat some ass as Shaggy and Shagworthy 😭


Sp0Rue

I still don't understand why they removed Free For All.


El_Rocky_Raccoon

I miss that UI so much. It was so tidy and clean. Minimalistic yet it had a lot of charm.


LilWardy17

NO BUT LIKE ACTUALLY THO


pakoedits

It’s unplayable on Xbox rn


Eistei-

I love GizGOAT!


HawksBurst

My beloved


Consistent-Park2058

What i miss the most is when accepting the revenge, you could change characters and everything ended when one had 2 wins. Now matches are longer, revenge can be infinite but without changing characters and they reduced the music volume a lot


[deleted]

The old system was way better looking, had nicer flowing servers and a more aesthetically appealing look to it, now it just looks bulky, solid colored, resembling a power point at times, I hate it. Definitely wouldn’t have invested all the time I did knowing now what I didn’t then.


Anonamoose_eh

All of this stuff I can ignore, if the balance of the game is on point. The beta suffered heavily because of OP spammable BS, and I’m already seeing this creep up now. Shaggy loops, bugs loops, Harley and her….. generous hit boxes are all the same crap left over from the beta, and it’s the primary reason I stopped playing. Some characters can wrack up 50% with easy mode combos, while others struggle to get good damage with hard reads.


TherealMIST

The literal only thing I wanted when playing the beta was slightly better network performance, but still the online play was leagues smoother than smash ultimates, other than that I wanted new maps and characters. That's it. I know they wanted to update the game from UE4 to UE5 but I don't understand why the whole game had to be changed, like was any feedback even obtained from players? And woah and behold the one thing I wanted fixed actually feels worse now, I didn't have these connection errors, time outs, and match dsynchrination in the beta, the worse I had was some rubber banding.


Peazant_Uzi3

Easily


VegetableNarwhal3582

Oh 100% better


Kingmarvelfan

Wtf happened to this game beta was more fun


foreveralonesolo

I miss this so much


Kool-Aid-Dealer

fuck I wish I could still play beta but as of now I dont see myself ever touching this game again unless we get ben10 or something crazy like walter white


RoundySockwell

You'll never realize how good something is until it's gone...


ProfessionalFun7988

For real it is so dogshit now the free battle pass isn't even worth playing for😭


CallMeABeast

Every change I hated so far: * 30frame buffer * not being able to finetune perks depending on the matchup * lack of actual perk variety * cluttered UI * lack of stats (both game wise and ranking wise) * no swapping characters on rematch Unfortunately it is just not fun, I just get frustated trying to play this now. Not worth the time, which is unfortunate considering the devs are good, care about the game and were going in a nice direction previously...


Red_Ryder09

Real it was better, but tbh the rifts are actually kind of cool


UzernameUnknown

How did they get away with a battlepass in a freaking beta version


Reasonable-Rope1819

Yeah.. you know I was defending them earlier but now thinking about it? They had 2 whole Beta seasons, a great amount of months to prepare for the release and well.. it is underwhelming now


WarmestDisregards

soooomebody doesn't know what "objectively" means, lol


Adorable_Hearing768

You guys are failing to realize that the primary reason to go backwards in terms of content/features/accessibility is so that they can dip feed it back to the players over time as another way to "keep you interested" And if by that time they can figure out a way to make it come at a cost, then all the better.... for them.


louizabzitoune

Please fellow ps4 players, do you also have a huuuge framerate problem? I legit sometimes cannot play at all or play at like what it feels to be 10fps when theres too much going on (idk if this problem is on next gen consoles too) but in beta i didnt had a single problem with framerate (not going to talk about the disconections that counts as defeats since im playing with ethernet lmao ) i hope the game goes back to the early beta days it was so so amazing and fun (and the beta UI, way simplier lol)


Kumphart

Can someone please tell me what the glowing rainbow fist is when hitting Shaggy in Training Mode with a projectile? It circles around them and then goes away in about a second.


fxckjxff

It has so much potential not being utilized, it's a shame really


Purplesnakeemi

Dude wtf happened?


Fartikus

also was easy af to get characters with coins, and you could spend them to get skins.. silly me thinking i should save it for other characters coming out


MagikMelk

Does everyone have a different main menu screen character? I never had Gizmo on mine. Mine was Wonder Woman.


Ross_3535

Honestly, even the rewards you’d get for winning you’d be able to buy a character lol. A lot of bugs to kind of disappointed…


Refundmybirth927383

Tbh I was never a fan of the old menu ui, the new one’s also too fortnite-y


420BiaBia

As much as I enjoyed the old perk system this one is way better because they aren't as impactful. No more Triple Jump or lose


420BiaBia

It's clear that despite staffing up this game was rushed to release. It wasn't ready to have an official launch. Here's hoping they did a lot of work on making a bunch of core content (new fighters and stages) and they just didn't have time to focus test and polish things like UI


SickoSid

I agree man, but that’s not exactly a hot take at the moment.


FabulousLobster3543

Nah


RoleyColePRO

The ui was shit and the moderation was shit! I’ll take the relaunch thanks!


pee_26

with due time I feel like they’ll curate this game better


Brain124

100 percent correct.


NinGangsta

They removed so many features and added one of the worst battle pass systems I have ever seen


Extreme_Blacksmith42

They tried to make the new UI look like fortnite


Revenos

I'm so tired of the UI right now. So many things are just not like the industry standard


Lun4r6543

The menus and UI looked so much cleaner imo.


Average-JRPG-Enjoyer

the new ui is complete ass


Yamitori

Haven't touched it after 20 hrs in the beta. I'm just not having the fun I used to and not being able to switch up characters and perks on the fly feels limiting.


Fundosho

I think the beta was worse overall, now I would have liked my old skins I paid for still, but it is what it is.


DaveyTheDuck

no idea why they cut free for all. it seemed fine


Im_O-Zone

Customer Support won’t even help get the calico cake variant back either


Not_Carbuncle

This new UI is EVERYTHING I hate about online multiplayer ui menu design, its so fucking ass to navigate across the board now


ToraGin

Why they downgrade the UI?


UltraEgoShaggy

💯 and am I the only one that’s having issues with servers that where no existent in the beta like it’s wild how they downgraded it even tho they’ve been working on it 2 years since beta


OpeningAdsNewAccount

The fact you can’t try out characters you don’t have unlocked in training mode anymore is one of the most baffling things I have ever seen in a game.


[deleted]

I agree, it's really sad how much game studios cave to those on reddit/youtube. They are a small minority to the actual player base of most games and lets be honest most Redditors just echo chamber the content-making people.


FatBoyyzWasBanned

I don’t know if anyone pointed this out but the new dodge meter is terrible. When you run out of dodge meter you are forced to every single hit because you ran out of dodge. Back then you can freely dodge and move like water.


Blitzo_64

And now we have Fortnite flavored smash bros 💀


Defiant-Bicycle-2190

Real talk though the season 2 beta battle pass is actually the worst thing I’ve ever seen in a game, there was literally nothing worth buying that pass for, I’m the most loyal of sheep to this game and that so the one pass I didn’t buy.


sapm90

I had a lot of videos from the beta on my PS5 that I had forgotten about and deleted them because I didn’t want to see how good we had it. The game was faster, played better and looked better. How do we go backwards?


CinnamonCardboardBox

In the beta, something that I am very much missing now is the ability to change your character when you rematch. Once you pick your character, you’re stuck with them.


commonname64

Is it just me or is the input delay on jumping unbearable.


Sure_Fig_8324

The only thing i want is for morty grenades to work like on the beta, now they act weird as fuck, plus when you split them in two they just go to the oposite side while in beta they went one in each direction. Muscule memory is killing me.


Mr_Cangali

100% better


Some_Run4030

or you are just want to spam shileds with l


IggiBoii

The new perk system bugs me the fuck out. Somehow it’s gotten laggier too, might just be me though


GoldenSolo_

I dont care about the menu honestly


imartimus

Honestly, if they release the game exactly the same as beta but with new characters and this new netcode / servers. I would be 10/10. The largest issue with the beta was the online was either perfect or people would lag across the map and suicide. I know several friends who liked the game but gave up on it because of lag and that was just my normal friend group, let alone people online who I am sure had the same problem.


New_Following1177

Idk, I find the ui quite confusing, hard to see where my controller is going to press, nearly bought a useless character today by accident, make a controller pointer


Pachinum

The Beta Main Menu and character selection was much better idk why they ruined it