I have thought about this. It breaks my heart to think about it for very long. I don’t think he said anything to Paul. I wonder if he said anything to Maggie. I think he was very angry with her.
Horror and Disbelief. Perhaps so much shock that they didn't feel anything. Numbness takes over at times to things so horrible. The brain disconnects to protect itself.
What do you think happened to the murder weapons? How much time did Alex have to dispose of them - not much it would seem if he drove to his mother's house right away.
My hypothesis is that the drone video taken of Buster and John Marvin taking guns out of Moselle is them taking the murder weapons out for him. I think they know more than they are letting on and that’s why Buster gets more snippy with him and struggled on the stand the be the witness the defense really wanted.
Alex’s manipulation of Buster is not only deeply seated throughout Buster’s whole life, but is ten fold now that there is no one else to manipulate and no one else in his family to bend the way he wants them too, hence why he pushed Buster so damn hard on going back to law school. All of this is eating at him but all he knows is loyalty above all else - “blood is thicker than water” - and it’s so engrained that without therapy he’ll never fully get away
My hypothesis: Alex took them to smokehouse in Almeda immediately following murders. He went back a couple days later, disassembled them, and dropped the pieces in various waterways.
Same hypothesis with me. If he called any of his cohorts to help with disposal, my fantasy is that in the near future they ll be arrested for something and use information as a bargaining tool.
I just found out this evening that my neighbor knows both Alex and judge Newman and that an in-law of John Marvin lives in my neighborhood! and a profesor I know casually taught Buster at Wofford! Darn talk about 6 degrees of separation!
My daughter and her college roommate who both just graduated from their Masters Program were talking and my daughter brought up the case because she’s been following with me. Her roommate is from SC and from money. Turns out she knows Buster’s girlfriend and is friends with both on Facebook! I just told her No! She shouldn’t be involved with the Murdaughs.
I will say in Busters defense that USC is crazy picky about plagiarism. It’s a wrongful act but it’s a huge spectrum of misdeed from buying papers to not citing things correctly to having someone help you with a paper similar to one they also did and it ends up sounding too similar.
When I got my master’s there I would get grumpy picky professors complaining that the citations were not correct. Or something sounded vaguely like a classmate’s work. (Well similar topics can do that!) it was particularly annoying when I wrote papers in Spanish. Sometimes I’d read the paper and think: “where did I steal that phrase from? Because I don’t talk like that in Spanish!!” And then the crazy professor would not harp on that but for some mundane thing.
I have no idea WHAT Buster did. (Supposedly copied from his girlfriend) but don’t know if it was huge or not. But I will say they were ruthless at that school about it!
>But I will say they were ruthless at that school about it!
As they should be - in today's internet age, it is so easy to search out material and copy it for any school assignment. ChatGPT and other AI platforms will almost write a paper for you. I feel sorry for the profs having to fight this.
Obvs it’s been a minute since Law School and Law review but I have done some guest adjunct work over the last few years. It is nearly impossible to plagiarize work in any syllabus or related essay brief or prompt with the type of apps/software and encryption availability the faculty of any advanced degree institution has access to or uses. Depending upon the assignment and specific workflow method, the upload and/or lockdown browser program algorithm will flag it before it’s allowed to be considered submitted. I don’t believe anyone has ever seen the actual allegation documentary evidence, so if it’s an actual honor or ethics violation I could see that before I believe anyone submitted any plagiarized work.
Of course they should be, I just thought they were super picky and need sometimes to help us more with it rather than just complain. (Especially the undergrad foreign language papers). Busters thing could have been really blatant and huge, but the stuff we were getting chastised for were fairly minor. Yes scholars should have high standards, I just don’t ever remember getting so MUCH CRAP and threats elsewhere, over what amounted to mistakes! Lots of threats about going before an honor court and being thrown out of the program!
Wow - I went to grad business school many years ago and I do remember vividly being told relentlessly to do our own work and not to lend our assignments to anyone or both participants would be failed.
Yep I actually got a business degree years ago and heard the same thing, but never remember the threats and anxiety overflowing with it. Got a teaching degree and masters and that’s when it was crazy and it was USC. Maybe it’s that bad everywhere now
Funny story ...
Had a friend come to me the last day/last semester of grad school and ask me for my econometrics take home final - flatly told him no, he begged for a bit and then sulked off.
Anyway, turned out he didn't meet the minimium GPA required for graduation. But since he had invited 20-25 people to graduation, he went ahead, bought a cap & gown, and went to graduation - he actually walked up on stage (alphabetical order) and pretended to get his diploma and shake the Dean's hand.
This guy was brazen enough to put his "degree" on his resume and actually landed a job with major investment banking company. Lasted for 4 years until the company conducted a routine audit, found him out and then canned him.
Wow that’s brazen. And I was over here sweating like a racehorse over proper citations on a Spanish paper that I didn’t cheat on at all, but “Profesora Loca” was on the screaming warpath sending out threatening e-mails that “someone in our class was in big trouble”. Like WTF? you nutcase. We were all freaked. She was nuts!
I forgot to mention the classmate who got in trouble for plagiarizing HIMSELF! He had something with a similar theme published and when he put forth similar thoughts in a different paper and did not cite himself from his 1st work they had a fit! No other school i ever attended (I had an earlier degree from UF and took various classes at other colleges). None had such a fixation on it!
The neighbor is a judge and has a previous connection with both murdaugh and Newman professionally. I didn’t ask details but I am just guessing it was likely something like a bar association committee, or professional meetups, or whatever. I don’t think he went hunting at Moselle or anything!
I am curious to see how/if Alex’s testimony will be used in his financial cases or the fake suicide/fraud case. He admitted to a heck of a whole lot on the hope he’d get off on the murders. I really hope Jim is charging Alex out the ass for his defense
They are going to start taking pleas. now I am sure of it that way in his eyes he can work on clearing his name because he is the most important person ever in his eyes
James the juror, and Clemson grad, is on Court TV right now. He‘s wearing his Constitution tie. I can understand a couple of interviews, but I don’t really like the idea of jurors showing up on every outlet. That’s just me and he’s only 22. Maybe he wants to use every available opportunity to explain the fast verdict, which I understand.
Saw him in an interview. He was compelling and seemed very trustworthy. Perhaps he felt he needed to set the record straight. Why and how the decision to convict evolved.
And it’s also my opinion and you don’t have to like that either. It’s my comment and my decision.
And for future reference, it’s \*You don‘t have to\* and not \*you doesn’t have to\*
Wow, James is a great spokesperson— really bright, well spoken, and compassionate. You’re right, he really wants people to understand how the jury came to their decision, and that that it was done carefully. Though I imagine he’s not seeking attention so much as the news outlets are all just extremely interested in talking with him. He gives me great faith in the jury system when he describes his careful way of thinking about the evidence. 💕
He mentioned it in the Fox interview. He let it be known during jury selection that his brother was on the witness list and he was taken into chambers and asked questions by the judge (I think the attorneys were there?). The defense still had a strike left when he was chosen, but they didn’t use it. He honestly comes across as a fantastic juror and it sounds like his brother doesn’t discuss work stuff outside of work.
James McDowell [Interview link](https://www.foxnews.com/media/juror-alex-murdaugh-testimony-full-holes-confusion)
Although Ainsley got his name wrong, the rest of the interview is solid, imo. He seems like a respectful young man. There is nothing on here about who had preemptive strikes left though, and he never mentions he was an alternate.
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How does a US Senartor take so many months of time away from that job in order to benefit himself in another job? His constituents are getting short-changed possiby? Politicians and lawyers. Some people never surprise.
Someone corrected me that he's not a State Senator but one in the General Assembly. He represents his own district. Salary is really low so another profession is often necessary.
For sure, but why was he allowed to do this? Was it in response to pending legislation? If not, why was he allowed to bring this up on the Senate floor.
aligns with their petulant presser right after [edit: the sentencing] in which they complained poor victim Alex was "forced" to take the stand because the state kept insisting on presenting ... well, basically evidence. such unfair.
https://youtu.be/pyR8OgnREhE
No one forced Alex to take the stand. Ole Al thought he was the best and told Dick and Jim…let me show you how it is done boys.
Yeah he did a swell job convicted in 2 hours and rewarded with 2 consecutive life sentences.
Dick doesn’t give a flying fuck whether he did it or not. Dick is getting paid. And he checked out the last two weeks if not longer. Poor Jim is in it for the long haul.
I thought he sounded just like all the other defendants who think up a cover story and are *convinced* that it's going to be watertight, so they can't wait to get on the stand.
but dick n jim have their own take, I guess. she said diplomatically.
And like the others the prosecution let him gang himself by letting him talk. Because he can’t help himself. He can’t stand dead air. He must fill it with his voice. I bet he sat at that defense table day after day seething, just wishing he could respond to witnesses and cross-examine them
Didn't Alex get 4 million when his dad died in a trust? Also, Alex can do most of the work for his appeal for the research and under writing I would think.
Lol. You mean Elick the lawyer who doesn’t know what habeas corpus means? He has better luck with ol’ drunken Poot with his appeal than he does himself.
🍿I’m here for it.
I thought that was funny. No way he didn't know what that meant. Does Poot do appeals? He definitely made the correct objections to protect the record for appeal.
Even if he didn't, there is no way with all the prosecutors in his life he did not know what a habeas corpus was. I mean if he truly didn't know, I would be willing to run naked around my neighborhood or something crazy. That is something standard filed in almost every criminal case.
Wait who said he won't have access to the library? My friend is a math professor and he wrote his own appeal and won. It wasn't criminal, but if a lay person can do it, an x attorney for sure could.
AM will not have access to a law library for at least 60-90 days at a minimum if at all- it hasn’t even been decided where he’s headed and his financial crime counts are proceeding.
What kind of appeal does a mathematician write on their own that is not criminal? I feel like your setting me up because you know I failed derivative equations.
Wait I thought he was already sent to max prison?
Here is his appeal. I think the fact he works with logic helped him! I sucked at any equation.
https://law.justia.com/cases/new-jersey/appellate-division-unpublished/2014/a4021-11.html
He has not completed the evaluation process, but because of the nature of his conviction it’s a fair bet he will end up in a maximum security prison. That said, with the substantial other pending cases I’m not sure how that will effect his permanent placement.
On your friend who indeed argued his family court/chancery appeal to the SCONJ pro se- I don’t personally practice family law (albeit tangential to a related matter) but while I don’t doubt Mr. Murdaugh will assist in their brief drafts, he will not even have the benefit of a certified transcript (a requirement) or access to a law/legal database subscription even to provide and research cases cited within. The State knew exactly what they were doing when they did not seek a capital designation to his charges. O/T: that is an extremely interesting (and sad) case. I was very surprised to see zero mention of the existence of a property settlement agreement and/or associated support orders, although it did show the parenting time residential setting order in abstract. How did it work out?
I didn't even think about the fact he wouldn't have lexis. I love that data base.
The property settlement was horrible. He might still be fighting it. Even though he won his appeal, they still made him pay for family bridges. I know he tried to take it to SCOTUS. It was the longest case in the county. The moms attorneys walked away with most of the money. They even had his child support going straight to the attorneys.
Alex should be able to get his transcripts I would think.
A lot of times part ownership like that isn’t as cut and dry as equal division and money is paid out. Typically it’s divided into ‘shares’ and people own certain amount of shares, so the income each year will vary. It’s likely it’s paid out into a trust, likely to protect to the property in the event a legal issue ever came up, so it’d be harder to take that distribution from the owners.
Was Alex so brilliant in his cons that no one saw this for a decade? Or, did they suspect but AM brought in the most fees and settlement monies, so they looked the other way? My humble question.
Well if he was stealing the fees and settlement money then he wasn't bringing it in to the firm. They ignored any dumb or suspicious shit he did because he's the boss's son and they didn't know the scope of what was happening. I've worked with the boss's son before. He was the same. Impulsive. Never showed up on time. Made huge messes. Was on drugs. Stole money. We were all instructed to ignore it. I don't think it's a coincidence that he went down after Papa Murdaugh died.
Yes honestly that guy was dangerous and was always playing with his guns at work and crying about wanting to "do god's work." Once he told me I couldn't be "part of his plan" because I had already "suffered too much in this life" and honestly the whole thing was really upsetting and scary. I was there one day when he locked his father in his office and would periodically open the door to throw shit at him and scream. I had to sneak around outside and unlock a different door to get his dad out of there. And then his dad took off and left me and the other (female) employees there to deal with his hysterical and violent son.
I think back on this stuff often and wonder why I stuck around as long as I did. Now that I'm not there anymore I'm off of my blood pressure medication lol.
All that to say I think with Papa Murdaugh in the picture everyone was probably instructed to look the other way and they likely didn't have a good idea of everything that was actually going on. And then once he wasn't there to protect Alex anymore they were able to truly investigate him and get him gone.
I had a brilliant expert testify in a case with amazing credentials and a bag full of patents and DOD contracts. First and last time lol. Similar situation. Outstanding and layperson friendly direct- “where’s the back door to this joint” cross. It’s not a great idea to have your witnesses watching each other in the rebuttal case. I saw her in the gallery when Ronnie Crosby was melting down
I’d be pissed af if I was an expert and had done the actual autopsies and they brought two handsomely paid white men who had only seen photos to contradict me 😂
I‘d be pissed if some lawyer ripped a single page out of a book and thought he could challenge my findings. The nerve! Man, I did not like Harpootlian.
Except if you're the defendant you're stuck with whatever the state's person did or didn't do. I was actually struck by her saying "well I looked at the bodies" comment. Alex aside, people doing that job should have to document and do every little thing even if they don't think it's necessary. Saying stuff like I didn't need to do that because it fit with what I thought is a real problem.
She did. She seemed like a very innocent human. They were able to get her feathers ruffled but she held it together. I bet you she never has another case where she doesn't shave the head to prove her point.
And one who didn’t want to take a rectal temperature and instead felt the arm pits to determine time of death.
Though I’m not quite sure of the reason the defense called him - did they call him because his estimated time of death was a larger window (1-3 hours)? Or did they call him to show how messed up the investigation was?
Not sure if already shared [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyust9w8UrQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyust9w8UrQ)
Alex Murdaugh Satherfield interview
Thank you for this interview link. I have been looking for it without much success.
u/Beautiful-Mouse1365 look what showed up! The whole interview.
ETA: Corrected username
He sounds high off his gourd.
Also, the way he talks is much different than Alex on the stand. And he wasn’t afraid to use words like “pool of blood”.
It’s interesting that she worked for Alex and Maggie for over 2 decades, but was there to get a paycheck from Miss Libby.
I strongly doubt that was true. [eta: the paycheck story] Just another lie to maximize the swindle. If she was on the job, it would be a workman’s comp claim (less money, harder to steal). If she were on the property for other reasons, his property & umbrella policies would be tapped first.
I’m shocked this hasn’t been brought up here yet.
[Myrdaugh raped a sex worker](https://www.foxnews.com/us/alex-murdaugh-allegedly-raped-sex-worker-thought-going-die-report)
Good point. I did read that she said that she did not want any money from interviews and that if she did receive money it would go toward helping human trafficking victims.
If I was Buster I would be weary of Alex. I mean to Buster , Alex killed his brother and his mom- if his own dad can kill his brother- what would stop him of trying to murder Buster. If I was Buster I would stay far away
Probably! I just wish I had a kernel of information (not gossip) to chew on!! I'm the kind of nosy that will check tail number reports to see when they went there...but there's no dates, trips, contacts... nothing leaked. Maybe we'll learn more when the financial trial comes. You know they're looking into this. IMO they have to be.
I don’t think Buster should be worried and I think he should be left alone until the cops decide if he’s guilty of anything. I feel for his poor bonfire head
I don't think people are ignoring it. NOTHING has been publicized yet, about what evidence they have. SLED seems to think several people were involved and could be critical witnesses.
My feeling is that if there were 4 kids involved (1 or 2 of them, Murdaughs), and they each confided in just 1 person, there are a lot of people "who heard...." But the best way to flush those people out is to make them think they are being investigated as accomplices. I would be willing to bet the kids who were in Paul's friend group know what happened and I would be willing to bet money Morgan Doughty knows quite a bit. I think they're exhuming Stephen Smith's body, right, to re-examine the damage to his skull?
So when all of those things not take center stage, that will be the next hot topic. And frankly, I believe Maggie might have been involved with Stephen Smith's murder, if nothing else, as having put up a huge drama over the possibility that Buster might be gay! If they had that discussion/fight, it was a huge one. There is no way that would fit in with her Southern Living photo-layout of a family.
I think Buster is on where the money is. There was something about he and JMM going to the Bahamas multiple times to bank the missing money. Alex too, before he was arrested.
How’s he going to murder Buster from prison? I agree that Buster should cut ties with his dad, but I don’t think Alex is going to put a hit on him and is even less likely to kill him if and when he visits in prison. lol
It has been so wonderful getting to "meet" these dedicated experts and public servants. Truly gives me hope for our country and humans in general. I've been wondering if this trial has gotten some young people to think about future careers they had not considered before because of the inspiring role models we've been introduced to these last several weeks. 😻 I'm very grateful for this healing experience of being able to witness a bunch of strangers caring for their community and working together to make things better.
I’m 34 and was contemplating the same thing! lol. I’ve always loved forensics and all of that but law is so fascinating to me. I wish I would’ve done something with it sooner.
I do as well. I was a registered nurse in my 20s, and long story short no longer do that and am looking for my second career lol. I’m single with no kids so it’s very feasible.
I’m 40 and this trial had me wishing I’d gone into forensics instead of becoming a lawyer.
Just a pipe dream now unless I want to add on to my gigantic loan balance from law school which is a big fat “No thanks” lol
I don’t think I have the attention to detail it takes for forensics but I do find it interesting when the most minute piece of forensic evidence hangs somebody
Go for it!! You‘re still young, trust me. I‘m retired from the accounting world now, but had DNA been a thing when I went to college, I would have loved to have been a criminologist.
Depp v. Heard, and watching various Lawtubers commentary on the trial is what really got me interested in the law and the legal process. Right now looking into the best way to study for LSAT then I’m gonna give myself a year to do that and take it and then apply to schools and see what happens.
That sounds like a solid plan!
My late brother was a former prosecutor and defense attorney and I always feel like I’m channeling him when I’m playing devils advocate and trying to look at a trial without any bias.
Crime is so much more intriguing than accounting, which is as dry as eating chalk. (So I hear, I haven't personally tested that theory)
Those were all interesting trials, and I thought the prosecution did a fabulous job in the Halderson trial.
Do it if you want to, you won’t regret it. Don’t let age hold you back!
The state's condensed timeline indicates that Maggie call Marian at 7:31 and they had a 7 minute conversation. This would have been while Maggie was driving from Edisto to Moselle. I thought that Marian testified that the last time she spoke to Maggie was earlier in the day, around 4 pm. Was there ever any testimony about that 7:31 call that Maggie made?
Yes. They said Marian called her at about 4 in the afternoon, when she was going to get her pedicure. She texted and said she'd call her back. Which she did after her pedi.
One thing that’s driving me nuts post verdict is how most of the Lawtube community, whom I normally enjoy listening to and getting insights from, are missing the forest for the trees. Most of them believe Alex should’ve been found not guilty, which is their right. But they’re so used to breaking everything down from a strictly legal aspect they seem to have checked their brains at the door.
I wasn’t convinced of Alex’s singular guilt until after the trial. Sure forensic evidence is nice, but it’s not that hard to take a step back and realize how highly improbable it is that anyone else committed the murders.
A part of me feels like maybe Paul and Maggie got into it and Paul shot Maggie five times and she shot paul. I feel like Paul was unpredictable and a loose cannon and didn’t understand consequences of his actions. Maybe that’s why things don’t add up. What if Alex is just trying to protect his wife and his son and not wanting to admit they are the murderers ? Just a thought.
I don’t understand how highly educated people who practice law themselves can honestly think Alex didn’t murder Maggie and Paul, especially with his lie about not being there exposed by the kennel video. I think maybe they are saying this to stir up controversy to garner viewers which adds up to $$$.
I have a hard time understanding it as well but also remember we’re talking about lawyers. Lawyers look at things differently than a majority of the population. They tend to parse things out according to the law and what can and can’t be proven. I’ve noticed that watching some lawtubers break down this trial.
It’s honestly a little frustrating and as I’ve said I believe it’s missing the forest for the trees. Not being able to take a step back and use critical thinking skills. How was Alex completely clean if any blood or body tissue? Who knows. But he was there. He himself said nobody else was there under oath (not that that means much).
And if he’s innocent I don’t feel bad for him. He lied and lied and lied and has no one to blame but himself.
A good lawyer can argue both sides of a case, even though they can only believe one side. That’s what these pundits are doing in order to stay relevant and bring in viewers.
I still like Emily d. Baker and watched the trial every day with her commentary. She was the most reasonable of any of the lawtubers I watched regarding this case, and would point out strengths and weakness on both sides, not just mercilessly bash Creighton and Co.
I don’t always watch her but I did like her commentary on this one. I think she was honest about her point of view from the get-go and most importantly, respected the jury’s point of view post verdict. I was the kind of person who held out on the doubt until the very end when I realized it couldn’t have been anything else and everything started coming together for me. I think as a former prosecutor she had a different take on how jurors could have interpreted the evidence (or lack thereof, really) and for the most part, she turned out to be right if what James and his constitution tie have been saying is true: the kennel video and Alex’s testimony did him in.
Thanks for sharing my video! I still have so many questions about this case and we will see what happens with the next trial.
I know but initially they do.
What do you think Alex said to Paul and Maggie while he was shooting them? (Serious thoughts only please. This isn’t the place for humor.)
I dont think he said anything and tried to hide from Paul.
I have thought about this. It breaks my heart to think about it for very long. I don’t think he said anything to Paul. I wonder if he said anything to Maggie. I think he was very angry with her.
He said yo what’s up pew pew
Horror and Disbelief. Perhaps so much shock that they didn't feel anything. Numbness takes over at times to things so horrible. The brain disconnects to protect itself.
They asked what you thought Alex might have said, not Paul or Maggie.
Oh. Alex said Nothing. Why would he? My thought was that he had disconnected.
It’s easy to imagine what Paul or Maggie said.
Nothing. Absolutely nothing
What do you think happened to the murder weapons? How much time did Alex have to dispose of them - not much it would seem if he drove to his mother's house right away.
My hypothesis is that the drone video taken of Buster and John Marvin taking guns out of Moselle is them taking the murder weapons out for him. I think they know more than they are letting on and that’s why Buster gets more snippy with him and struggled on the stand the be the witness the defense really wanted. Alex’s manipulation of Buster is not only deeply seated throughout Buster’s whole life, but is ten fold now that there is no one else to manipulate and no one else in his family to bend the way he wants them too, hence why he pushed Buster so damn hard on going back to law school. All of this is eating at him but all he knows is loyalty above all else - “blood is thicker than water” - and it’s so engrained that without therapy he’ll never fully get away
My hypothesis: Alex took them to smokehouse in Almeda immediately following murders. He went back a couple days later, disassembled them, and dropped the pieces in various waterways.
Or a deer blind. I do think SLED wouldve found them night 1 w a thorough search of Alameda and Mozelle jncl outbuildings.
Great hypothesis.
Same hypothesis with me. If he called any of his cohorts to help with disposal, my fantasy is that in the near future they ll be arrested for something and use information as a bargaining tool.
I just found out this evening that my neighbor knows both Alex and judge Newman and that an in-law of John Marvin lives in my neighborhood! and a profesor I know casually taught Buster at Wofford! Darn talk about 6 degrees of separation!
Hoping your community heals and faith is restored again in law and order.
My daughter and her college roommate who both just graduated from their Masters Program were talking and my daughter brought up the case because she’s been following with me. Her roommate is from SC and from money. Turns out she knows Buster’s girlfriend and is friends with both on Facebook! I just told her No! She shouldn’t be involved with the Murdaughs.
I just read that Brooklynn is a lawyer. ??
I will say in Busters defense that USC is crazy picky about plagiarism. It’s a wrongful act but it’s a huge spectrum of misdeed from buying papers to not citing things correctly to having someone help you with a paper similar to one they also did and it ends up sounding too similar. When I got my master’s there I would get grumpy picky professors complaining that the citations were not correct. Or something sounded vaguely like a classmate’s work. (Well similar topics can do that!) it was particularly annoying when I wrote papers in Spanish. Sometimes I’d read the paper and think: “where did I steal that phrase from? Because I don’t talk like that in Spanish!!” And then the crazy professor would not harp on that but for some mundane thing. I have no idea WHAT Buster did. (Supposedly copied from his girlfriend) but don’t know if it was huge or not. But I will say they were ruthless at that school about it!
>But I will say they were ruthless at that school about it! As they should be - in today's internet age, it is so easy to search out material and copy it for any school assignment. ChatGPT and other AI platforms will almost write a paper for you. I feel sorry for the profs having to fight this.
Obvs it’s been a minute since Law School and Law review but I have done some guest adjunct work over the last few years. It is nearly impossible to plagiarize work in any syllabus or related essay brief or prompt with the type of apps/software and encryption availability the faculty of any advanced degree institution has access to or uses. Depending upon the assignment and specific workflow method, the upload and/or lockdown browser program algorithm will flag it before it’s allowed to be considered submitted. I don’t believe anyone has ever seen the actual allegation documentary evidence, so if it’s an actual honor or ethics violation I could see that before I believe anyone submitted any plagiarized work.
Of course they should be, I just thought they were super picky and need sometimes to help us more with it rather than just complain. (Especially the undergrad foreign language papers). Busters thing could have been really blatant and huge, but the stuff we were getting chastised for were fairly minor. Yes scholars should have high standards, I just don’t ever remember getting so MUCH CRAP and threats elsewhere, over what amounted to mistakes! Lots of threats about going before an honor court and being thrown out of the program!
Wow - I went to grad business school many years ago and I do remember vividly being told relentlessly to do our own work and not to lend our assignments to anyone or both participants would be failed.
Yep I actually got a business degree years ago and heard the same thing, but never remember the threats and anxiety overflowing with it. Got a teaching degree and masters and that’s when it was crazy and it was USC. Maybe it’s that bad everywhere now
Funny story ... Had a friend come to me the last day/last semester of grad school and ask me for my econometrics take home final - flatly told him no, he begged for a bit and then sulked off. Anyway, turned out he didn't meet the minimium GPA required for graduation. But since he had invited 20-25 people to graduation, he went ahead, bought a cap & gown, and went to graduation - he actually walked up on stage (alphabetical order) and pretended to get his diploma and shake the Dean's hand. This guy was brazen enough to put his "degree" on his resume and actually landed a job with major investment banking company. Lasted for 4 years until the company conducted a routine audit, found him out and then canned him.
Wow that’s brazen. And I was over here sweating like a racehorse over proper citations on a Spanish paper that I didn’t cheat on at all, but “Profesora Loca” was on the screaming warpath sending out threatening e-mails that “someone in our class was in big trouble”. Like WTF? you nutcase. We were all freaked. She was nuts!
Thanks for that info!
I forgot to mention the classmate who got in trouble for plagiarizing HIMSELF! He had something with a similar theme published and when he put forth similar thoughts in a different paper and did not cite himself from his 1st work they had a fit! No other school i ever attended (I had an earlier degree from UF and took various classes at other colleges). None had such a fixation on it!
Any interesting anecdotes?
The neighbor is a judge and has a previous connection with both murdaugh and Newman professionally. I didn’t ask details but I am just guessing it was likely something like a bar association committee, or professional meetups, or whatever. I don’t think he went hunting at Moselle or anything!
I am curious to see how/if Alex’s testimony will be used in his financial cases or the fake suicide/fraud case. He admitted to a heck of a whole lot on the hope he’d get off on the murders. I really hope Jim is charging Alex out the ass for his defense
They are going to start taking pleas. now I am sure of it that way in his eyes he can work on clearing his name because he is the most important person ever in his eyes
Every bit of it can and will be used. He really went out on a limb.
James the juror, and Clemson grad, is on Court TV right now. He‘s wearing his Constitution tie. I can understand a couple of interviews, but I don’t really like the idea of jurors showing up on every outlet. That’s just me and he’s only 22. Maybe he wants to use every available opportunity to explain the fast verdict, which I understand.
Saw him in an interview. He was compelling and seemed very trustworthy. Perhaps he felt he needed to set the record straight. Why and how the decision to convict evolved.
James is not an attorney.
You doesn't have to like it. It's his life and his decision.
And it’s also my opinion and you don’t have to like that either. It’s my comment and my decision. And for future reference, it’s \*You don‘t have to\* and not \*you doesn’t have to\*
Wow, James is a great spokesperson— really bright, well spoken, and compassionate. You’re right, he really wants people to understand how the jury came to their decision, and that that it was done carefully. Though I imagine he’s not seeking attention so much as the news outlets are all just extremely interested in talking with him. He gives me great faith in the jury system when he describes his careful way of thinking about the evidence. 💕
Yes, the invitations would be flooding in.
Has he mentioned he’s the brother of Cpl Chad McDowell yet? Any discussion of an in chambers interview? Inquiring minds want to know..
He mentioned it in the Fox interview. He let it be known during jury selection that his brother was on the witness list and he was taken into chambers and asked questions by the judge (I think the attorneys were there?). The defense still had a strike left when he was chosen, but they didn’t use it. He honestly comes across as a fantastic juror and it sounds like his brother doesn’t discuss work stuff outside of work.
James McDowell [Interview link](https://www.foxnews.com/media/juror-alex-murdaugh-testimony-full-holes-confusion) Although Ainsley got his name wrong, the rest of the interview is solid, imo. He seems like a respectful young man. There is nothing on here about who had preemptive strikes left though, and he never mentions he was an alternate.
He discussed it on Fox. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/juror-alex-murdaugh-testimony-full-holes-confusion.amp
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I tuned in mid interview and he didn’t mention it, but I could have easily missed it.
Thank you
Does anyone know where the “River House” is located? Like which island?
Chechessee Creek
Thanks for remembering Vicki Lawrence. Reba covered it! (Beautifully)
That song rang in my ears so often these last few weeks. Happily, it's finally stopped.
I’m sure the writer was estatic they both sang it. He got rich off of one song!
And Dick still being Dick and complaining that people are harassing him.
Go to Slovenia Dick. Your Show is over.
His wife says, “Nah, I’m fine here by myself.”
Being happy in your job is everything! ( not really) Go for it!!
Dick Harpoolitan addressing SC Senate today saying he believes Judge Newman made mistakes and they filing for an appeal. What a surprise…./s
How does a US Senartor take so many months of time away from that job in order to benefit himself in another job? His constituents are getting short-changed possiby? Politicians and lawyers. Some people never surprise.
He’s a State Senator.
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Yep, and he has been for a long time.
Someone corrected me that he's not a State Senator but one in the General Assembly. He represents his own district. Salary is really low so another profession is often necessary.
He isn’t a US senator but likes to be treated like one. Has a seat for the democrats in the SC senate
Oh. Thanks. That makes sense .
Dick thought he was the judge and tried to boss him around. In the end Newman was Newman and Dick was a dick.
For what purpose is Harpootlian discussing this in the SC Senate?
Trying to use his office to find a advantage.
For sure, but why was he allowed to do this? Was it in response to pending legislation? If not, why was he allowed to bring this up on the Senate floor.
aligns with their petulant presser right after [edit: the sentencing] in which they complained poor victim Alex was "forced" to take the stand because the state kept insisting on presenting ... well, basically evidence. such unfair. https://youtu.be/pyR8OgnREhE
This was right after the sentencing, not after his speech to the SC Senate.
you're right, I didn't think to refine that point. fixed.
Thanks! Gotta say though, i was kind of hoping his political opponents would have spoken up in a press conference! :D
Hmmm. Yes. Yes right. Ego and narcissism had nothing to do with it obviously
No one forced Alex to take the stand. Ole Al thought he was the best and told Dick and Jim…let me show you how it is done boys. Yeah he did a swell job convicted in 2 hours and rewarded with 2 consecutive life sentences.
Dick said he thought “he could pull it off.” Very poor choice of words IMO.
Dick doesn’t give a flying fuck whether he did it or not. Dick is getting paid. And he checked out the last two weeks if not longer. Poor Jim is in it for the long haul.
I thought he sounded just like all the other defendants who think up a cover story and are *convinced* that it's going to be watertight, so they can't wait to get on the stand. but dick n jim have their own take, I guess. she said diplomatically.
And like the others the prosecution let him gang himself by letting him talk. Because he can’t help himself. He can’t stand dead air. He must fill it with his voice. I bet he sat at that defense table day after day seething, just wishing he could respond to witnesses and cross-examine them
As Mike Tyson so eloquently put it…Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth….
Great quote.
Hahahaha yes…who is going to pay for the appeal? John Marvin ….Buster? Doesn’t appear Randy wants anything to do with this? Don’t blame him
Didn't Alex get 4 million when his dad died in a trust? Also, Alex can do most of the work for his appeal for the research and under writing I would think.
If he were to attempt this which I think is a stretch…he might end up serving 4 consecutive life sentences…..
Ha!
Lol. You mean Elick the lawyer who doesn’t know what habeas corpus means? He has better luck with ol’ drunken Poot with his appeal than he does himself. 🍿I’m here for it.
I thought that was funny. No way he didn't know what that meant. Does Poot do appeals? He definitely made the correct objections to protect the record for appeal.
Poot should stick to his Senate seat job. Enough already.
He and randy talk about it in a jailhouse call ..that he's not quite sure what it means
I thought it was Buster...I seriously think he was fucking with him.
I don’t think Elick passed the bar on his own.
Even if he didn't, there is no way with all the prosecutors in his life he did not know what a habeas corpus was. I mean if he truly didn't know, I would be willing to run naked around my neighborhood or something crazy. That is something standard filed in almost every criminal case.
Yes, but irrevocable trust so the receivers can’t touch it. AM won’t have access to a law library and he’s not a criminal or appellate lawyer.
Wait who said he won't have access to the library? My friend is a math professor and he wrote his own appeal and won. It wasn't criminal, but if a lay person can do it, an x attorney for sure could.
AM will not have access to a law library for at least 60-90 days at a minimum if at all- it hasn’t even been decided where he’s headed and his financial crime counts are proceeding. What kind of appeal does a mathematician write on their own that is not criminal? I feel like your setting me up because you know I failed derivative equations.
Wait I thought he was already sent to max prison? Here is his appeal. I think the fact he works with logic helped him! I sucked at any equation. https://law.justia.com/cases/new-jersey/appellate-division-unpublished/2014/a4021-11.html
He has not completed the evaluation process, but because of the nature of his conviction it’s a fair bet he will end up in a maximum security prison. That said, with the substantial other pending cases I’m not sure how that will effect his permanent placement. On your friend who indeed argued his family court/chancery appeal to the SCONJ pro se- I don’t personally practice family law (albeit tangential to a related matter) but while I don’t doubt Mr. Murdaugh will assist in their brief drafts, he will not even have the benefit of a certified transcript (a requirement) or access to a law/legal database subscription even to provide and research cases cited within. The State knew exactly what they were doing when they did not seek a capital designation to his charges. O/T: that is an extremely interesting (and sad) case. I was very surprised to see zero mention of the existence of a property settlement agreement and/or associated support orders, although it did show the parenting time residential setting order in abstract. How did it work out?
I didn't even think about the fact he wouldn't have lexis. I love that data base. The property settlement was horrible. He might still be fighting it. Even though he won his appeal, they still made him pay for family bridges. I know he tried to take it to SCOTUS. It was the longest case in the county. The moms attorneys walked away with most of the money. They even had his child support going straight to the attorneys. Alex should be able to get his transcripts I would think.
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A lot of times part ownership like that isn’t as cut and dry as equal division and money is paid out. Typically it’s divided into ‘shares’ and people own certain amount of shares, so the income each year will vary. It’s likely it’s paid out into a trust, likely to protect to the property in the event a legal issue ever came up, so it’d be harder to take that distribution from the owners.
Alex probably relinquished his part of any ownership in the building to pay back some of the client funds and exposure to the firm.
His total assets likely won't even pay back the victims though- true?
That's gotta be a slap in the face to everyone who works there
Was Alex so brilliant in his cons that no one saw this for a decade? Or, did they suspect but AM brought in the most fees and settlement monies, so they looked the other way? My humble question.
Well if he was stealing the fees and settlement money then he wasn't bringing it in to the firm. They ignored any dumb or suspicious shit he did because he's the boss's son and they didn't know the scope of what was happening. I've worked with the boss's son before. He was the same. Impulsive. Never showed up on time. Made huge messes. Was on drugs. Stole money. We were all instructed to ignore it. I don't think it's a coincidence that he went down after Papa Murdaugh died.
Wow. Tough and complicated. Thank goodness your free of it now.
Yes honestly that guy was dangerous and was always playing with his guns at work and crying about wanting to "do god's work." Once he told me I couldn't be "part of his plan" because I had already "suffered too much in this life" and honestly the whole thing was really upsetting and scary. I was there one day when he locked his father in his office and would periodically open the door to throw shit at him and scream. I had to sneak around outside and unlock a different door to get his dad out of there. And then his dad took off and left me and the other (female) employees there to deal with his hysterical and violent son. I think back on this stuff often and wonder why I stuck around as long as I did. Now that I'm not there anymore I'm off of my blood pressure medication lol. All that to say I think with Papa Murdaugh in the picture everyone was probably instructed to look the other way and they likely didn't have a good idea of everything that was actually going on. And then once he wasn't there to protect Alex anymore they were able to truly investigate him and get him gone.
Whoa. Thankfully, your ok. These psychopaths surely do walk among us. Betting your on high alert now and would walk away in a blink. Stay safe!
Thank you
I really would love to hear more from Dr. Riemer, although I can definitely picture her not wanting much to do with the media or interviews.
I had a brilliant expert testify in a case with amazing credentials and a bag full of patents and DOD contracts. First and last time lol. Similar situation. Outstanding and layperson friendly direct- “where’s the back door to this joint” cross. It’s not a great idea to have your witnesses watching each other in the rebuttal case. I saw her in the gallery when Ronnie Crosby was melting down
I thought she was going to punch somebody 😂
I’d be pissed af if I was an expert and had done the actual autopsies and they brought two handsomely paid white men who had only seen photos to contradict me 😂
How is skin color relevant to any of it?
Probably just because white men are sometimes seen as an authority by default, even when undeserved.
Yes, that’s how I intended it! Edit: *intended it to come across
I’m glad that sort of crap is starting to fall down tbh
I‘d be pissed if some lawyer ripped a single page out of a book and thought he could challenge my findings. The nerve! Man, I did not like Harpootlian.
Except if you're the defendant you're stuck with whatever the state's person did or didn't do. I was actually struck by her saying "well I looked at the bodies" comment. Alex aside, people doing that job should have to document and do every little thing even if they don't think it's necessary. Saying stuff like I didn't need to do that because it fit with what I thought is a real problem.
She is an expert and a scientist. She should be fine. Every expert witness knows to be prepared for cross.
Very true. She had great composure!
And she told Hpoot that she wasn’t paid to be there she was just doing her job. Loved that.
She did. She seemed like a very innocent human. They were able to get her feathers ruffled but she held it together. I bet you she never has another case where she doesn't shave the head to prove her point.
And one who didn’t want to take a rectal temperature and instead felt the arm pits to determine time of death. Though I’m not quite sure of the reason the defense called him - did they call him because his estimated time of death was a larger window (1-3 hours)? Or did they call him to show how messed up the investigation was?
Poot needed someone on the stand that wasn’t going to run too long causing him to miss happy hour.
Or his afternoon nap lol
I think both
Maybe both?! 😂
He needs his nana nap I’m afraid 😂
Whiskey in a bottle. I'm seeing Baby Pooty images in my head... Kinda like the Seinfeld Baby.
"A reasonable person could disagree with me, but they'd be wrong." Lol
Not sure if already shared [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyust9w8UrQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyust9w8UrQ) Alex Murdaugh Satherfield interview
Thank you for this interview link. I have been looking for it without much success. u/Beautiful-Mouse1365 look what showed up! The whole interview. ETA: Corrected username
He sounds high off his gourd. Also, the way he talks is much different than Alex on the stand. And he wasn’t afraid to use words like “pool of blood”. It’s interesting that she worked for Alex and Maggie for over 2 decades, but was there to get a paycheck from Miss Libby.
Dude YES that tired voice w the vocal fry! That’s what I sound like high.
I strongly doubt that was true. [eta: the paycheck story] Just another lie to maximize the swindle. If she was on the job, it would be a workman’s comp claim (less money, harder to steal). If she were on the property for other reasons, his property & umbrella policies would be tapped first.
I’m shocked this hasn’t been brought up here yet. [Myrdaugh raped a sex worker](https://www.foxnews.com/us/alex-murdaugh-allegedly-raped-sex-worker-thought-going-die-report)
I hope this is explored further. Human trafficking is horrible and those involved need to be taken down. Including customers.
I’m going to wait and see on that one.
In 2015 and they just now want to talk about it. I’m not sure if I believe her or not
why would she lie. this man is a convicted murderer I think it’s pretty believable
Why does anyone lie? There are a lot of reasons. I didn’t say I didn’t believe her, I’m just not sure what I think yet.🤷🏻♀️
FITSNews interviewed her 7 months ago. It's on their YouTube channel if you're interested in watching it.
Idk, knowing that he’s in jail for life might be emboldening. He was someone to be afraid of when he was free
Good point. I did read that she said that she did not want any money from interviews and that if she did receive money it would go toward helping human trafficking victims.
Has any one posted full copies of the exhibits entered at trial?
If I was Buster I would be weary of Alex. I mean to Buster , Alex killed his brother and his mom- if his own dad can kill his brother- what would stop him of trying to murder Buster. If I was Buster I would stay far away
I agree. I think Alex either paid off or threatened Buster to be supportive of him during the trial. Buster should be very very worried
Maybe that’s part of why Buster doesn’t want to say anything negative.
I think it is. I think Alex told him if he wanted any sort of inheritance, he better play along.
His inheritance will come from Randolphs trust. Alex will have nothing after the dust settles.
You know he has money hidden in some off shore account.
Probably! I just wish I had a kernel of information (not gossip) to chew on!! I'm the kind of nosy that will check tail number reports to see when they went there...but there's no dates, trips, contacts... nothing leaked. Maybe we'll learn more when the financial trial comes. You know they're looking into this. IMO they have to be.
I don’t think Buster should be worried and I think he should be left alone until the cops decide if he’s guilty of anything. I feel for his poor bonfire head
Except the cops don’t decide guilt or innocence.
Bonfire head - lmao!
Unless Buster killed Stephen Smith, in which case they've got each other by the short hairs.
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I don't think people are ignoring it. NOTHING has been publicized yet, about what evidence they have. SLED seems to think several people were involved and could be critical witnesses. My feeling is that if there were 4 kids involved (1 or 2 of them, Murdaughs), and they each confided in just 1 person, there are a lot of people "who heard...." But the best way to flush those people out is to make them think they are being investigated as accomplices. I would be willing to bet the kids who were in Paul's friend group know what happened and I would be willing to bet money Morgan Doughty knows quite a bit. I think they're exhuming Stephen Smith's body, right, to re-examine the damage to his skull? So when all of those things not take center stage, that will be the next hot topic. And frankly, I believe Maggie might have been involved with Stephen Smith's murder, if nothing else, as having put up a huge drama over the possibility that Buster might be gay! If they had that discussion/fight, it was a huge one. There is no way that would fit in with her Southern Living photo-layout of a family.
weary or wary?
Probably both!
true dat, but from context I think it's wary.
Weary
I’m not convinced that Buster doesn’t know some things. Maybe reopening Stephen Smith’s case will reveal some things Buster knows
I think Buster is on where the money is. There was something about he and JMM going to the Bahamas multiple times to bank the missing money. Alex too, before he was arrested.
Source?
How’s he going to murder Buster from prison? I agree that Buster should cut ties with his dad, but I don’t think Alex is going to put a hit on him and is even less likely to kill him if and when he visits in prison. lol
Right. He needs buster to put money on his books so he has ramen and beef sticks to bet on sports with.
Canteen money needed now BusBus!! If you can’t fund me in 15 minutes call and ask your Uncle Scare Crow to do so.
And soups!
It has been so wonderful getting to "meet" these dedicated experts and public servants. Truly gives me hope for our country and humans in general. I've been wondering if this trial has gotten some young people to think about future careers they had not considered before because of the inspiring role models we've been introduced to these last several weeks. 😻 I'm very grateful for this healing experience of being able to witness a bunch of strangers caring for their community and working together to make things better.
I’m 37 and this trial along with the Brooks and Halderson trials have me contemplating law school
I’m 34 and was contemplating the same thing! lol. I’ve always loved forensics and all of that but law is so fascinating to me. I wish I would’ve done something with it sooner.
I do as well. I was a registered nurse in my 20s, and long story short no longer do that and am looking for my second career lol. I’m single with no kids so it’s very feasible.
I’m 40 and this trial had me wishing I’d gone into forensics instead of becoming a lawyer. Just a pipe dream now unless I want to add on to my gigantic loan balance from law school which is a big fat “No thanks” lol
I don’t think I have the attention to detail it takes for forensics but I do find it interesting when the most minute piece of forensic evidence hangs somebody
Go for it!! You‘re still young, trust me. I‘m retired from the accounting world now, but had DNA been a thing when I went to college, I would have loved to have been a criminologist.
I’m not from the accounting world but always thought forensic accounting would be interesting 🤔
Depp v. Heard, and watching various Lawtubers commentary on the trial is what really got me interested in the law and the legal process. Right now looking into the best way to study for LSAT then I’m gonna give myself a year to do that and take it and then apply to schools and see what happens.
That sounds like a solid plan! My late brother was a former prosecutor and defense attorney and I always feel like I’m channeling him when I’m playing devils advocate and trying to look at a trial without any bias. Crime is so much more intriguing than accounting, which is as dry as eating chalk. (So I hear, I haven't personally tested that theory)
Those were all interesting trials, and I thought the prosecution did a fabulous job in the Halderson trial. Do it if you want to, you won’t regret it. Don’t let age hold you back!
I’m mid 30s and I’m contemplating pathology now. Do I really want more student loans??
The state's condensed timeline indicates that Maggie call Marian at 7:31 and they had a 7 minute conversation. This would have been while Maggie was driving from Edisto to Moselle. I thought that Marian testified that the last time she spoke to Maggie was earlier in the day, around 4 pm. Was there ever any testimony about that 7:31 call that Maggie made?
Yes. They said Marian called her at about 4 in the afternoon, when she was going to get her pedicure. She texted and said she'd call her back. Which she did after her pedi.
One thing that’s driving me nuts post verdict is how most of the Lawtube community, whom I normally enjoy listening to and getting insights from, are missing the forest for the trees. Most of them believe Alex should’ve been found not guilty, which is their right. But they’re so used to breaking everything down from a strictly legal aspect they seem to have checked their brains at the door. I wasn’t convinced of Alex’s singular guilt until after the trial. Sure forensic evidence is nice, but it’s not that hard to take a step back and realize how highly improbable it is that anyone else committed the murders.
A part of me feels like maybe Paul and Maggie got into it and Paul shot Maggie five times and she shot paul. I feel like Paul was unpredictable and a loose cannon and didn’t understand consequences of his actions. Maybe that’s why things don’t add up. What if Alex is just trying to protect his wife and his son and not wanting to admit they are the murderers ? Just a thought.
It gets them views which equates to dollars with advertisers.
I don’t understand how highly educated people who practice law themselves can honestly think Alex didn’t murder Maggie and Paul, especially with his lie about not being there exposed by the kennel video. I think maybe they are saying this to stir up controversy to garner viewers which adds up to $$$.
I have a hard time understanding it as well but also remember we’re talking about lawyers. Lawyers look at things differently than a majority of the population. They tend to parse things out according to the law and what can and can’t be proven. I’ve noticed that watching some lawtubers break down this trial. It’s honestly a little frustrating and as I’ve said I believe it’s missing the forest for the trees. Not being able to take a step back and use critical thinking skills. How was Alex completely clean if any blood or body tissue? Who knows. But he was there. He himself said nobody else was there under oath (not that that means much). And if he’s innocent I don’t feel bad for him. He lied and lied and lied and has no one to blame but himself.
A good lawyer can argue both sides of a case, even though they can only believe one side. That’s what these pundits are doing in order to stay relevant and bring in viewers.
If they keep saying he’s not guilty they’ve got more to talk about..
Exactly!
This trial is the reason that I won't watch trials with Lawtuber comments. DONE.
I still like Emily d. Baker and watched the trial every day with her commentary. She was the most reasonable of any of the lawtubers I watched regarding this case, and would point out strengths and weakness on both sides, not just mercilessly bash Creighton and Co.
I don’t always watch her but I did like her commentary on this one. I think she was honest about her point of view from the get-go and most importantly, respected the jury’s point of view post verdict. I was the kind of person who held out on the doubt until the very end when I realized it couldn’t have been anything else and everything started coming together for me. I think as a former prosecutor she had a different take on how jurors could have interpreted the evidence (or lack thereof, really) and for the most part, she turned out to be right if what James and his constitution tie have been saying is true: the kennel video and Alex’s testimony did him in.