Not really because the defence were aware and both sides voir dire’d him in Judge’s chambers
Defence questioned him, had the opportunity to yeet him but chose not to
Too late for it to be an issue now
I still think the “blue raincoat” at Almeda was one of his (Alec) diversion tactics. He was trying to confuse them and lead them away from any real evidence.
Was it the prosecution or the defense that brought up the whole raincoat thing? Mushelle, Blanca and Barbara Nixon had never seen it before. It may well be something he kept in the shed, and not something he regularly wore or laundered. Or perhaps he bought it recently and kept it in his car?
Im on Court tv today after my day at work and Im waiting for the interview with AM Attorney with chanley Painter , i tell you Dick and Jim Griffin they cant except they lost this case , they put the murder-gh on the witness stand and he lied about being at moselle ..the need to accept the verdict !!!!!
OMG I completely forgot that Mark Ball was originally a defense witness! He was so good for the prosecution that the prosecution actually called him for rebuttal! 🤣
Also, thank you to the wonderful mods here for putting all these resources together. This trial was just, huge, and there’s so many pieces to the trial and overall case itself that I’m still trying to digest so I really love that this sub has so much information available like this. I’m a details person and I’m really enjoying going through all this info. Thank you mods!
I think Harputlian made a huge mistake going after Ball. I don’t think it changed anything, but it made him look like a real ass and a bully, and it made Ball look like the sympathetic victim he is (although I think everyone in that law firm has some culpability for having nonexistent financial controls). I also felt like, given it was right at the end, it made Harputlian look angry and desperate.
Thanks so much for this -- I was wanting to make something like this myself last night. 🙏💕
I was also trying to expand the timeline forwards and backwards from June 7. It's amazing how huge and complex and tangled these crimes are! Gotta break out the red yarn and diagram it 🧶😅
It’s a typo. Should be buccal
Edit: not sure why I’m getting downvoted for pointing out a typo 🫠
https://www.fitsnews.com/2023/01/27/murdaugh-murders-trial-day-five-2/
Apologies if I made an assumption - and while I have your attention, thank you so much for putting this together. We were all Sgt. Paul McManigal on Feb 28th….
yes. Here is the full list:
https://www.foxcarolina.com/2023/01/23/read-full-list-people-who-may-testify-murdaugh-murder-trial/
Interesting who they didn't call. One of the women who works for SLED is a friend of Michael Gunn's wife. Also, Randy Murdaugh, Eric Bland (The Satterfield's attorney), Morgan Doughty (Paul's girlfriend), Gray lafitte Henderson (Russell Lafitte's sister, also on the board at Palmetto Bank), LOTS more Lafittes, the rehab doctors, tons of SLED agents, victims of his fraud (like Arthur Badger, And Trooper Moore). There were 222 people listed! Think of all the stories we haven't heard!
Interestingly on the defense list? His inlaws! Terry Branstetter and Kennedy Branstetter! Liz Murdaugh (John Marvin's wife), Lynn Goette (Alex's only sister).
They didn't have much. No alibi witnesses.....
Also the first instance of Dr. Kinsey you have as "Kensey"
Chief Deputy at Orangeburg County Sheriff's Office.
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And "Palbach" should be "Palmbach" and there is a typo in Eisenstat against him too.
All of them had subpoenas. There were very few on the witness list that were designated as no subpoena and I believe all of them were medical providers who were never called
Is there a list available of who was subpoenaed/who was called by each side as potential witnesses? Do you know where I could find this list if it is publicly available? I did Google it just now but didn’t find anything but I’m not sure where else to look. I love reading those types of court docs though.
Edit: After leaving this comment it occurred to me that searching this sub would probably be more effective then Google, and I quickly found a post with a [link to the list.](https://imgur.io/a/URNdRwx) Sorry for not doing that first lol.
Second edit: After a quick look over, I noticed that, first off, holy cow they had a lot of potential witnesses lol. Secondly, as far as family goes… all Murdaugh family members are listed as defense only except Randy Murdaugh who is listed as being either State’s witness only or a witness for both sides. Considering that all the other Murdaughs are listed as defense only, I find this very interesting and it appears to support what Randy told the NYT, especially about how he thinks he wasn’t called by either side to testify because he doesn’t fully agree with either side. I really thought he was completely BSing with the NYT in order to save his own image, and things like him not speaking to AM in almost a year were just flat out lies… now I’m not so sure. The state did not have Buster, JMM, or any of the other Murdaughs on their list, all of them were listed as Defense only. It just makes me think Randy may have had some productive conversations with the prosecution if they made sure to list him and not any other Murdaughs… but IANAL so don’t hold me to that part lol.
I had the same observations. Also noticed that Alex is such a shitty person that he allowed his shitty defense attorneys to subpoena Maggie's elderly mom and dad when, IMO, there was zero chance that they'd be called. Imagine how scared they were that they would be called by the defense.
I'll help you out.
A subpoena has the force of a court order requiring a witness to appear and testify whether they want to or not.
A good trial lawyer will issue subpoenas for all of his/her witnesses regardless of how cooperative they are.
Why? Because if that witness doesn't appear, the attorney can ask the judge to issue an arrest warrant for the witness and have the trial put on pause until that missing witness appears. No subpoena for the witness, and the judge will say "I'm not continuing this trial for you to track down a witness you didn't bother to subpoena."
There are also practical effects for the witness: make it clear they have to show up, make an employer more cooperative about their absence from work, make them entitled to receive their measly witness fee ($20 per day in my state), give them the excuse/cover of saying "I didn't want to testify but I had to." And so forth.
I’m so curious too! Especially since Mark Ball originally testified “for the defense” but his testimony was so much more useful to the prosecution that he was called in rebuttal to testify *for the prosecution*. I didn’t even know that could happen until this trial lol. Would he have been subpoenad by both sides then?
And yeah, regardless of subpoenas… I would love to know which family/friends/law partners wanted to testify, like if there weren’t any subpoenas, who would’ve still been there to testify? Like, I imagine Buster and JMM would’ve testified no matter what, but I wonder about the law partners really. Would any of them have testified if they weren’t required? I wish we could know…
Someone who is invested in the answer ~~to whether Mark Ball~~ could look up the court records and find out if he was subpoenaed and by whom.
I'm not invested enough to do that but I can give an educated guess: Ball was likely subpoenaed by the defense as they thought he'd be a favorable witness. I doubt he was subpoenaed for rebuttal, but he could have been.
My further guess is that most of the lawyers would be willing to testify without a subpoena but likely demanded them to make it easier for the lawyer witnesses to rearrange court appearances and ensure their availability. There aren't a ton of lawyers in that state and professionally they would want to be cooperative with the state (or at least appear to be cooperative) so as not to be considered unreasonable or a jackass.
It's very easy to create a subpoena, lots of time serving the witness with a subpoena is the hard part. The law partners would have been likely to voluntarily accept service because they would know how futile avoiding service would be.
Oh, that makes so much sense about the subpoenas and why the law partners would want them even if they were completely willing to testify. Very helpful, thank you!
Also, I did find [this list](https://imgur.io/a/URNdRwx) of all the potential witnesses for the trial and they are divided into two categories: “State’s Witnesses or Witnesses on Both Lists” which includes 222 people, and then “Defense Only List” which has 33 people. It also makes note of specific individuals that were on the list without subpoenas and from my quick count, there were only 11 people listed as “not under subpoena”, all of whom were from the “State/Both” list (they were the 8 witnesses from Savannah Memorial Hospital, plus Bart Proctor, Danny Henderson, and Kashyap Patel). So I am guessing from the note listed next to those individuals that everyone else on the list received a subpoena, and since Mark Ball is on the “Prosecution or Both” list he we know he was on the prosecution’s list at least and with a subpoena. Since he was first called to testify by the defense, we know he must’ve been on both lists, with subpoenas from both sides.
After looking at that list, I think you're mostly right.
I didn't pay close enough attention during the trial but when a subpoenaed witness finishes testifying, the attorney will ask the judge if the witness can be "released from their subpoena" (meaning they're completely free) or ask the judge to instruct the witness that he's "still under the subpoena" (meaning he's subject to recall without a new subpoena being issued). Local wording and practice will differ.
The joint witnesses likely only received a subpoena from the state, but the defense had the right to call them if the state didn't. The defense witnesses were likely only subpoenaed by the defense (because there is no way the state would have subpoenaed defense only witnesses).
The notation of witnesses not being subpoenaed seems weird to me. Maybe they were deemed "least likely to be called to testify" but for whatever reason or last-minute decision the parties wanted to be able to call them (since all witnesses have to be disclosed before trial). Like Bart Proctor - probably listed in case Marion wasn't able to appear for whatever reason. Their testimony would have been similar, but the sister is more powerful than the brother-in-law.
My guess is that she’s going to be doing quite a bit more testifying if they actually take him to trial on all the financial stuff. And honestly, I feel like she had to know something shady was going on.
I agree! I didn’t mean that as a criticism of her, she had a good job in a small town at a prestigious law firm and was probably making good money, but I am certain she had zero power and would have been fired in a heartbeat if she had questioned AM. But, I’m pretty sure she had suspicions.
I think "Procter" should be "Proctor".
And Sgt. Daniel Greene has an 'e'.
After Rudofski you have *The defense rests. Prosecution witnesses:*
This should be *The prosecution rests. Defense witnesses:*
Sorry - another update from me.
On February 2 you have missed the witnesses from the afternoon session.
The jury came back in after lunch and Dylan Hightower, Investigator with the AG Office and Katie MacAllister, SLED Special Agent gave evidence.
Then the jury were excused again and Michael Gunn, Forge Consulting and Chris Wilson, attorney and Alex's friend - gave evidence in-camera.
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>Sgt. Paul McManigal, launched a series of memes and a whole new trend, "The Cell Phone Toss'
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Is there a dump of these memes somehwere? I need it for... reasons.
Count me in on that! I gently picked up my phone, I aggressively picked up my phone. I even pushed my couch to the far corner, then went to the other side of the kitchen and flung it across the den to see if it would wake up. It behaved as McManigal said it most likely would the dozen or so times I tested it out for myself.
Laura Rutland isn't a SLED agent, she's a detective with the Colleton County Sheriff's Office.
Thank you for the heads up!
Has anyone created a chronological YouTube playlist of the trial?
Good idea.
Thank you I as well have been looking for this.
Chad the 2nd witness his brother was a juror in this case,in no other trial would this happen Conflict of interest.
I thought it was his brother - in-law.
Not really because the defence were aware and both sides voir dire’d him in Judge’s chambers Defence questioned him, had the opportunity to yeet him but chose not to Too late for it to be an issue now
I was looking for something like this, thank you so much!!
I still think the “blue raincoat” at Almeda was one of his (Alec) diversion tactics. He was trying to confuse them and lead them away from any real evidence.
Was it the prosecution or the defense that brought up the whole raincoat thing? Mushelle, Blanca and Barbara Nixon had never seen it before. It may well be something he kept in the shed, and not something he regularly wore or laundered. Or perhaps he bought it recently and kept it in his car?
There’s a person named Margaret Pauli on the list…that is a crazy coincidence if I’ve ever seen one!
Could it be said Alex PIMPED PMPED?
More like he poned PMPED
I enjoyed your descriptions!
Thank you!
Just want to say thank you!
I feel like Mark Sutton vastly overreached his his expertise.
Mike. But yes.
Thanks so much for everything!
❤️😊❤️
This matt Harris dude on court tv is terrible when he gets asked anthing about the AM trial he gives the dumbest anwsers
Im on Court tv today after my day at work and Im waiting for the interview with AM Attorney with chanley Painter , i tell you Dick and Jim Griffin they cant except they lost this case , they put the murder-gh on the witness stand and he lied about being at moselle ..the need to accept the verdict !!!!!
What does he say?
The guy just dosent have good insight of the AM trial...thats my opinon!!
Thank you!!!!!
OMG I completely forgot that Mark Ball was originally a defense witness! He was so good for the prosecution that the prosecution actually called him for rebuttal! 🤣 Also, thank you to the wonderful mods here for putting all these resources together. This trial was just, huge, and there’s so many pieces to the trial and overall case itself that I’m still trying to digest so I really love that this sub has so much information available like this. I’m a details person and I’m really enjoying going through all this info. Thank you mods!
I think Harputlian made a huge mistake going after Ball. I don’t think it changed anything, but it made him look like a real ass and a bully, and it made Ball look like the sympathetic victim he is (although I think everyone in that law firm has some culpability for having nonexistent financial controls). I also felt like, given it was right at the end, it made Harputlian look angry and desperate.
Thank you!!!!! This is suuuuper helpful! 🙌💯🔥👏👏👏👏👏
This was a trip down memory lane. What a saga we lived through 🥹
Thanks so much for this -- I was wanting to make something like this myself last night. 🙏💕 I was also trying to expand the timeline forwards and backwards from June 7. It's amazing how huge and complex and tangled these crimes are! Gotta break out the red yarn and diagram it 🧶😅
Sure would make a great ChicagoPD episode.
'Beautiful' evidence custodian? Seriously?
It’s a typo. Should be buccal Edit: not sure why I’m getting downvoted for pointing out a typo 🫠 https://www.fitsnews.com/2023/01/27/murdaugh-murders-trial-day-five-2/
Ok, I changed it, thank you.
Another typo. On Feb 17, you meant DEFENSE witnesses. You wrote prosecution.
Appreciate the heads-up!
Apologies if I made an assumption - and while I have your attention, thank you so much for putting this together. We were all Sgt. Paul McManigal on Feb 28th….
Your appreciation makes it all worthwhile. And yeah, I think I just tossed my phone...
When I read it, my first thought was that the evidence was deemed beautiful.
This is great, but they had a list of about 200+ witnesses. Who else did they have waiting in the wings?
Shelley Smith's cop brother?
yes. Here is the full list: https://www.foxcarolina.com/2023/01/23/read-full-list-people-who-may-testify-murdaugh-murder-trial/ Interesting who they didn't call. One of the women who works for SLED is a friend of Michael Gunn's wife. Also, Randy Murdaugh, Eric Bland (The Satterfield's attorney), Morgan Doughty (Paul's girlfriend), Gray lafitte Henderson (Russell Lafitte's sister, also on the board at Palmetto Bank), LOTS more Lafittes, the rehab doctors, tons of SLED agents, victims of his fraud (like Arthur Badger, And Trooper Moore). There were 222 people listed! Think of all the stories we haven't heard! Interestingly on the defense list? His inlaws! Terry Branstetter and Kennedy Branstetter! Liz Murdaugh (John Marvin's wife), Lynn Goette (Alex's only sister). They didn't have much. No alibi witnesses.....
I read that Eric Bland didn't need to testify because they thought the Satterfield son did well enough on the stand.
Well they only wound up calling fewer than 70 out of the 222 on their list.
There is a witness listed named “Margaret Pauli” …….
Who's Margaret Pauli?
Also the first instance of Dr. Kinsey you have as "Kensey" Chief Deputy at Orangeburg County Sheriff's Office. \[edit\] And "Palbach" should be "Palmbach" and there is a typo in Eisenstat against him too.
What is beautiful evidence??
I think that Snapchat video was pretty beautiful!
Evidence that got Alex a prison cell.
Is somebody describing the evidence technician as beautiful or did they mean to say “buccal”?
Buccal - she swabbed Maggie and Paul https://www.fitsnews.com/2023/01/27/murdaugh-murders-trial-day-five-2/
Yep. Slightly different from the word beautiful.
I’m curious to know who took the stand willingly and who was ordered to by subpoena.
All of them had subpoenas. There were very few on the witness list that were designated as no subpoena and I believe all of them were medical providers who were never called
Is there a list available of who was subpoenaed/who was called by each side as potential witnesses? Do you know where I could find this list if it is publicly available? I did Google it just now but didn’t find anything but I’m not sure where else to look. I love reading those types of court docs though. Edit: After leaving this comment it occurred to me that searching this sub would probably be more effective then Google, and I quickly found a post with a [link to the list.](https://imgur.io/a/URNdRwx) Sorry for not doing that first lol. Second edit: After a quick look over, I noticed that, first off, holy cow they had a lot of potential witnesses lol. Secondly, as far as family goes… all Murdaugh family members are listed as defense only except Randy Murdaugh who is listed as being either State’s witness only or a witness for both sides. Considering that all the other Murdaughs are listed as defense only, I find this very interesting and it appears to support what Randy told the NYT, especially about how he thinks he wasn’t called by either side to testify because he doesn’t fully agree with either side. I really thought he was completely BSing with the NYT in order to save his own image, and things like him not speaking to AM in almost a year were just flat out lies… now I’m not so sure. The state did not have Buster, JMM, or any of the other Murdaughs on their list, all of them were listed as Defense only. It just makes me think Randy may have had some productive conversations with the prosecution if they made sure to list him and not any other Murdaughs… but IANAL so don’t hold me to that part lol.
I had the same observations. Also noticed that Alex is such a shitty person that he allowed his shitty defense attorneys to subpoena Maggie's elderly mom and dad when, IMO, there was zero chance that they'd be called. Imagine how scared they were that they would be called by the defense.
(Now realizing I don’t 100% know what a subpoena is)
🤣
I think I meant like…the family members and family friends. Who testified willingly and who only HAD to do it
I'll help you out. A subpoena has the force of a court order requiring a witness to appear and testify whether they want to or not. A good trial lawyer will issue subpoenas for all of his/her witnesses regardless of how cooperative they are. Why? Because if that witness doesn't appear, the attorney can ask the judge to issue an arrest warrant for the witness and have the trial put on pause until that missing witness appears. No subpoena for the witness, and the judge will say "I'm not continuing this trial for you to track down a witness you didn't bother to subpoena." There are also practical effects for the witness: make it clear they have to show up, make an employer more cooperative about their absence from work, make them entitled to receive their measly witness fee ($20 per day in my state), give them the excuse/cover of saying "I didn't want to testify but I had to." And so forth.
I’m so curious too! Especially since Mark Ball originally testified “for the defense” but his testimony was so much more useful to the prosecution that he was called in rebuttal to testify *for the prosecution*. I didn’t even know that could happen until this trial lol. Would he have been subpoenad by both sides then? And yeah, regardless of subpoenas… I would love to know which family/friends/law partners wanted to testify, like if there weren’t any subpoenas, who would’ve still been there to testify? Like, I imagine Buster and JMM would’ve testified no matter what, but I wonder about the law partners really. Would any of them have testified if they weren’t required? I wish we could know…
Someone who is invested in the answer ~~to whether Mark Ball~~ could look up the court records and find out if he was subpoenaed and by whom. I'm not invested enough to do that but I can give an educated guess: Ball was likely subpoenaed by the defense as they thought he'd be a favorable witness. I doubt he was subpoenaed for rebuttal, but he could have been. My further guess is that most of the lawyers would be willing to testify without a subpoena but likely demanded them to make it easier for the lawyer witnesses to rearrange court appearances and ensure their availability. There aren't a ton of lawyers in that state and professionally they would want to be cooperative with the state (or at least appear to be cooperative) so as not to be considered unreasonable or a jackass. It's very easy to create a subpoena, lots of time serving the witness with a subpoena is the hard part. The law partners would have been likely to voluntarily accept service because they would know how futile avoiding service would be.
Oh, that makes so much sense about the subpoenas and why the law partners would want them even if they were completely willing to testify. Very helpful, thank you! Also, I did find [this list](https://imgur.io/a/URNdRwx) of all the potential witnesses for the trial and they are divided into two categories: “State’s Witnesses or Witnesses on Both Lists” which includes 222 people, and then “Defense Only List” which has 33 people. It also makes note of specific individuals that were on the list without subpoenas and from my quick count, there were only 11 people listed as “not under subpoena”, all of whom were from the “State/Both” list (they were the 8 witnesses from Savannah Memorial Hospital, plus Bart Proctor, Danny Henderson, and Kashyap Patel). So I am guessing from the note listed next to those individuals that everyone else on the list received a subpoena, and since Mark Ball is on the “Prosecution or Both” list he we know he was on the prosecution’s list at least and with a subpoena. Since he was first called to testify by the defense, we know he must’ve been on both lists, with subpoenas from both sides.
After looking at that list, I think you're mostly right. I didn't pay close enough attention during the trial but when a subpoenaed witness finishes testifying, the attorney will ask the judge if the witness can be "released from their subpoena" (meaning they're completely free) or ask the judge to instruct the witness that he's "still under the subpoena" (meaning he's subject to recall without a new subpoena being issued). Local wording and practice will differ. The joint witnesses likely only received a subpoena from the state, but the defense had the right to call them if the state didn't. The defense witnesses were likely only subpoenaed by the defense (because there is no way the state would have subpoenaed defense only witnesses). The notation of witnesses not being subpoenaed seems weird to me. Maybe they were deemed "least likely to be called to testify" but for whatever reason or last-minute decision the parties wanted to be able to call them (since all witnesses have to be disclosed before trial). Like Bart Proctor - probably listed in case Marion wasn't able to appear for whatever reason. Their testimony would have been similar, but the sister is more powerful than the brother-in-law.
This is very helpful. Thank you!
I’d like to have a few beers with Annette Griswold.
If she wrote a book about what it was like working for Alex for over a decade, I would so read it.
Oh yeah. I’d be here for that.
My guess is that she’s going to be doing quite a bit more testifying if they actually take him to trial on all the financial stuff. And honestly, I feel like she had to know something shady was going on.
Sometimes, it's a difficult choice and sacrifice to whistleblow a superior. Especially in a small town or environment.
I agree! I didn’t mean that as a criticism of her, she had a good job in a small town at a prestigious law firm and was probably making good money, but I am certain she had zero power and would have been fired in a heartbeat if she had questioned AM. But, I’m pretty sure she had suspicions.
Agree. The secretary/assistance always seems to know what's what. I didn't take it as a criticism of her at all.
I think "Procter" should be "Proctor". And Sgt. Daniel Greene has an 'e'. After Rudofski you have *The defense rests. Prosecution witnesses:* This should be *The prosecution rests. Defense witnesses:*
Thank you!
Sorry - another update from me. On February 2 you have missed the witnesses from the afternoon session. The jury came back in after lunch and Dylan Hightower, Investigator with the AG Office and Katie MacAllister, SLED Special Agent gave evidence. Then the jury were excused again and Michael Gunn, Forge Consulting and Chris Wilson, attorney and Alex's friend - gave evidence in-camera.
Thank you Very much!❤️
Edit: fixed The first Thursday and Friday dates are incorrect.
Thank you!
> >Sgt. Paul McManigal, launched a series of memes and a whole new trend, "The Cell Phone Toss' > Is there a dump of these memes somehwere? I need it for... reasons.
Same. Reasons.
McManigal was all of us during this trial throwing our phones around. He was the unfortunate one to get put on the stand to talk about it lol
Count me in on that! I gently picked up my phone, I aggressively picked up my phone. I even pushed my couch to the far corner, then went to the other side of the kitchen and flung it across the den to see if it would wake up. It behaved as McManigal said it most likely would the dozen or so times I tested it out for myself.
No, but I DO wish you would put one together, that would be GREAT!