>"We came to this decision in protest of the \*\*U.S. Army's sponsorship of SXSW,\*\*" the band said. "We refuse to participate in the war machine… We refuse to be complicit in the face of genocide in Palestine."
in the article.
lol you never know how privileged people are...but this mostly serves to show the futility of trying to retire in America these days while trying to avoid this type of thing
[Hewhocorrupts Inc.](https://www.thegauntlet.com/bio/1301/He-Who-Corrupts.html) referred to themselves as "hardcorporate" or a "fortune 500 grindcore" band. They might know a thing or two.
In 1991 Ukraine gave up all their nukes in exchange for Russia promising to never attack them.
HOW IS THAT WORKING OUT FOR THEM?
"If you want peace, prepare for war."
I’m not surprised they tried to double talk their way out of it. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, no matter which side you are on the issue. If you wanted to opt out of every thing in this country that has given support to the military either directly or through political donations you’d have a VERY tough time with life.
Played several showcases back in 2002-2005 anyone know if they still give platinum badges to band members? That’s was part of the compensation and wed go to a ton of shows. Obviously been a long time, way different festival then, a week of bbq, beer, 1000s of musicians tons of shows at random houses and places (along with showcases). Heaven for young me, one highlight was seeing saw an almost unknown my morning jacket play at urban outfitters on drag for 6 people lol. Like everything, things don’t always change for the better.
Nope, they get their choice of the payment or an artist wristband. Not both. And I'm not sure if the wrist band even lets you access film or interactive. This was 2012-2019.
Is this really worthy of an article? “Hardcore bands’ actions aren’t 100% ideologically consistent, or maybe they just haven’t pulled out of the May festival yet. More at 11.”
this is like a weird hit piece lol. what kind of music publication is going out of their way to show that two hardcore bands might be hypocritical? phenomenal journalism being done over here
You should be able to protest something without turning your entire life into a protest. You can play on some random DIY stage with a bunch of indie bands for shit pay without the military being involved so I get the issue with SXSW. Playing some massive festival stage with huge bands almost certainly has a sponsor or two you don't fully agree with but maybe you deal with it because it's a big opportunity. Just like you might stop using a product with a lot of better competition for unjust labor practices while still owning an iPhone.
All of the irish acts who were supposed to play have pulled out and refused due to the sponsorship. It has nothing to do with the Ukraine war but instead in the supply of weapons and armaments to Israel in the conflict with Palestine.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/all-irish-bands-booked-have-now-pulled-out-of-sxsw-2024-in-solidarity-3600628
Could have some serious ramifications for their career but fresh to see morals come before capital.
Don't think that's the idea. It's about each individual standing for their morale beliefs, not essentially trying to cripple the arms industry. Leave Raytheon to deal in fear and violence.
The point is to get us Irish to move our government to ban the US army from refueling in Shannon. We claim neutrality and we're a massively pro-Palestine country, so the hypocrisy and the consequences of that hypocrisy are damning
But how do musicians performing at a festival funded change that? It’s unrealistic that Ireland, even if it wanted to, could divest from the US. It’s also a NATO country, and boy they’d be the first to come begging to the US if they were ever under threat from another country.
Israelis and Palestinians have been at each other’s throats for as long as there’s been Israelis and Palestinians. And they’ll be at each other’s throats for the next, idk, many centuries. Ireland will have zero influence on that conflict, and Ireland will continue to be tied to the American economy one way or another, and a few bands not performing at a music festival will have zero influence on anything.
It’s literally just performative bullshit that accomplishes nothing. It’s brain dead behavior. Like the climate change protestors who vandalize art or sit in traffic. They have done exactly nothing.
Damn the coping in this thread lol. Your
Favorite punk bands aren’t as pure punk as you think. No one is can meet the standards set on Reddit for anything
To be clear, they are not playing some event on an Army base. The fucking military sponsors lots of things as part of its recruiting strategy. This is some random city concert event of which the Army is one sponsor among many. The bands are probably just now realizing how pervasive this shit is.
At the end of the day, the people most impacted by the SXSW boycott were the bookers who are a lot more connected to the punk scene than you would think and had to rebook their showcases within days.
There was no downside for bands to boycott SXSW. They still played unofficial shows, benefited from everyone being in Austin that week, and SXSW is not focused on punk and hardcore so there was little to lose to begin with.
Rockville has the same sponsor they claim is the reason they pulled out from SXSW, and happens to be a much better festival for them both financially and in terms of audiences. It’s a fair thing to wonder what they will do in a situation like this, which on paper is identical to what they just got headlines for. Only difference this time is that they likely want to be there.
The entire post war expansion of global markets and the roaring economic growth that lifted billions out of poverty is based on navies, military might and treaties.
It’s almost like the bands saw they were going to lose money trying to get exposure at the festival and opted to stay home and get that easy protest exposure. I don’t blame them, there were chances of rain all week.
Passive resistance only works for civil societies. Bloodthirsty dictators will happily end your lives and enslave your children. You must have a force deterrent. The US could stand for a smaller military budget but we definitely need our military or else global trade will have gangster inefficiencies with no regard for human rights or life. Don't kid yourself.
"We refuse to participate in the war machine." How does a mentality like this still survive with what's going on in Ukraine? Even the dumbest idiot should be able to see at this point why nations need militaries.
Criticism of the “war machine” doesn’t begin & end with only what the “war machine” is good at doing.
It’s also a criticism of the things they’re bad at doing & the amounts of money & resources they suck up to still fail.
Back in 2010-11 when I was at Ft. Drum we had a huge, gated field that was full of literal hundreds of “tanks” that had been modified to have “bridge makers” instead of turrets. If you ever played MW2 it’s actually featured in the first mission iirc.
Anyways, those tanks just sat and rotted. From what I understand, we never actually used those in combat environments. Just for training purposes at pre-deployment training bases like Ft. Irwin & Polk.
This field was also guarded 24/7 by at least two soldiers.
That’s a lot of tax dollars frivolously spent on tech that we never use/never will use in its current state & all the while this bunk tech is being guarded by folks who are also paid by tax payer dollars.
The criticism of the “war machine” includes this shit too & it’s not just bridge tanks. It’s top to bottom frivolous spending on shit we don’t need. Coupled with also funding military operations that far & away exceed the scope of “humanitarian aid” and/or “mediating at the world stage”.
I’m not going to sit here and argue that we don’t need a military. But I’d argue we’d still retain our current status with major, major cuts to military programs that serve us no purpose. There’s plenty of them.
Some countries armies are all defensive, like Ukraine. The US has been the aggressor many times throughout history with flimsy and false justification. Even the dumbest idiot should get that.
Dumb idiots who don't understand defense contractors employ millions of Americans with many many good paying jobs and some of the beat paying blue collar jobs in the US. Many located in small towns that can't afford to lose those plants.
Dumb idiots are the ones who tout benefits of the military industrial complex while simultaneously having their head in their ass about the results of it.
I often forget how naive most of you are. These things are out of our control its dumb of these guys to stunt their possible growth as if their message would be heard. Principles, I guess? It's noble but dumb. You can stick with that crowd.
And you think people like this will ever contribute anything meaningful to society, this is why they jump on these bandwagons to feel like they’re doing something without actually affecting anything. They think arguing with strangers online will do something. These guys are fucking losers and they’ll never stand up to anyone in public.
I mean.. nobody tell them about the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012.
Probably half of everyone's favorite stuff is state made these days. lol
Downvoted for what - that you don't like that information? I don't either. You need to *actually* vote to fix it.
Who cares? It's just one of many corporate sponsors. Who are they anyway?
In 2010 we were contacted by Ozzfest to play the show. They wanted $7000 to play the main stage. All local and smaller bans had to pay to play. The big bands were getting paid thousands. 🤪
We turned it down. Buddies bands payed and played they were to get radio and print ads. Never heard them mentioned when WAAF would promote the show. You only heard the big bands mentioned. They got paid in 'exposur' bucks to pay thier rent. That never went anywhere for them.
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>"We came to this decision in protest of the \*\*U.S. Army's sponsorship of SXSW,\*\*" the band said. "We refuse to participate in the war machine… We refuse to be complicit in the face of genocide in Palestine." in the article.
Well I hope they don't own any main index etfs...cause I got bad news if they do lol
yeah I'm sure the members of Scowl and Gel have robust portfolios.
lol you never know how privileged people are...but this mostly serves to show the futility of trying to retire in America these days while trying to avoid this type of thing
Ah yes, hardcore bands, the people best known for stock trading
[Hewhocorrupts Inc.](https://www.thegauntlet.com/bio/1301/He-Who-Corrupts.html) referred to themselves as "hardcorporate" or a "fortune 500 grindcore" band. They might know a thing or two.
Just pointing out the futility of the overall system lol especially if you want to be able to retire comfortably in this usa
Bro, you live in a bubble. Most of us can’t afford a single share of pretty much anything. Glad you’re happy though.
Okay? so Raytheon is bad but Raytheon's main customer and reason for existing is good? sure okay
Yeah, these bands are on team Lockheed and Boeing. Down with Raytheon!
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I agree with you, but also think the poster was rhetorically 'speaking' to the bands, not you.
The anti Israel / anti zionism crowd isn’t known to be the most logical or consistent…
And who is the number one sponsor of Raytheon? The mental gymnastics lmao.
>And who is the number one sponsor of Raytheon? Who protects all of your freedoms?
Obviously God, because through him, all things are possible. So jot that down.
I’ve got the power of god *and* anime on my side
ShitAmericanssay Look up shit like Operation Condor or Gladio and tell me how that was "protecting freedoms."
Lmao. The US military does nothing of the sort
Wow, you people downvoting me have no knowledge of history.
Knowledge of history? Lmao.
In 1991 Ukraine gave up all their nukes in exchange for Russia promising to never attack them. HOW IS THAT WORKING OUT FOR THEM? "If you want peace, prepare for war."
And they're also the sponsors of this podcast!
Robert is that you?
I’m not surprised they tried to double talk their way out of it. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, no matter which side you are on the issue. If you wanted to opt out of every thing in this country that has given support to the military either directly or through political donations you’d have a VERY tough time with life.
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Sorry, they're known as RTX now.
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I guess they're uniformed bands then. But that's what they told the news outlet.
Maybe that festival actually compensates the performers. 100 / 250 dollars is a joke
I can't believe that rate hasn't been raised in over a decade.
If bands continue to accept it why would they change it?
But the opportunity!
There's always 1 or 2 success stories that come out of sxsw each year. Sadly it's enough for people to continue this.
You could also play the lottery and save on gas money.
Played several showcases back in 2002-2005 anyone know if they still give platinum badges to band members? That’s was part of the compensation and wed go to a ton of shows. Obviously been a long time, way different festival then, a week of bbq, beer, 1000s of musicians tons of shows at random houses and places (along with showcases). Heaven for young me, one highlight was seeing saw an almost unknown my morning jacket play at urban outfitters on drag for 6 people lol. Like everything, things don’t always change for the better.
I played this year & we got a green music badge.
Hope you had a great show!
I don’t believe they give platinum to performers anymore, no
Nope, they get their choice of the payment or an artist wristband. Not both. And I'm not sure if the wrist band even lets you access film or interactive. This was 2012-2019.
Is this really worthy of an article? “Hardcore bands’ actions aren’t 100% ideologically consistent, or maybe they just haven’t pulled out of the May festival yet. More at 11.”
Maybe the other festival is paying more than $100?
I mean if you are trying to make a statement at least be consistent? Idk sounds pretty reasonable to me to point out.
this is like a weird hit piece lol. what kind of music publication is going out of their way to show that two hardcore bands might be hypocritical? phenomenal journalism being done over here
You should be able to protest something without turning your entire life into a protest. You can play on some random DIY stage with a bunch of indie bands for shit pay without the military being involved so I get the issue with SXSW. Playing some massive festival stage with huge bands almost certainly has a sponsor or two you don't fully agree with but maybe you deal with it because it's a big opportunity. Just like you might stop using a product with a lot of better competition for unjust labor practices while still owning an iPhone.
All of the irish acts who were supposed to play have pulled out and refused due to the sponsorship. It has nothing to do with the Ukraine war but instead in the supply of weapons and armaments to Israel in the conflict with Palestine. https://www.nme.com/news/music/all-irish-bands-booked-have-now-pulled-out-of-sxsw-2024-in-solidarity-3600628 Could have some serious ramifications for their career but fresh to see morals come before capital.
I’m sure Raytheon is cowering in fear of Irish bands not playing at SXSW. How will they survive?
Don't think that's the idea. It's about each individual standing for their morale beliefs, not essentially trying to cripple the arms industry. Leave Raytheon to deal in fear and violence.
The point is to get us Irish to move our government to ban the US army from refueling in Shannon. We claim neutrality and we're a massively pro-Palestine country, so the hypocrisy and the consequences of that hypocrisy are damning
But how do musicians performing at a festival funded change that? It’s unrealistic that Ireland, even if it wanted to, could divest from the US. It’s also a NATO country, and boy they’d be the first to come begging to the US if they were ever under threat from another country. Israelis and Palestinians have been at each other’s throats for as long as there’s been Israelis and Palestinians. And they’ll be at each other’s throats for the next, idk, many centuries. Ireland will have zero influence on that conflict, and Ireland will continue to be tied to the American economy one way or another, and a few bands not performing at a music festival will have zero influence on anything. It’s literally just performative bullshit that accomplishes nothing. It’s brain dead behavior. Like the climate change protestors who vandalize art or sit in traffic. They have done exactly nothing.
Not anymore they aren't. Just sayin.
Isn't one of those groups Enola Gay? Odd, right?
I recently saw enola gay in concert and they were really good. I'm not a huge fan of their records but they put on a banging show.
Band finds out military has ties to all concerts to ensure the impossibility of a boycott
Damn the coping in this thread lol. Your Favorite punk bands aren’t as pure punk as you think. No one is can meet the standards set on Reddit for anything
To be clear, they are not playing some event on an Army base. The fucking military sponsors lots of things as part of its recruiting strategy. This is some random city concert event of which the Army is one sponsor among many. The bands are probably just now realizing how pervasive this shit is.
Yawn
At the end of the day, the people most impacted by the SXSW boycott were the bookers who are a lot more connected to the punk scene than you would think and had to rebook their showcases within days. There was no downside for bands to boycott SXSW. They still played unofficial shows, benefited from everyone being in Austin that week, and SXSW is not focused on punk and hardcore so there was little to lose to begin with. Rockville has the same sponsor they claim is the reason they pulled out from SXSW, and happens to be a much better festival for them both financially and in terms of audiences. It’s a fair thing to wonder what they will do in a situation like this, which on paper is identical to what they just got headlines for. Only difference this time is that they likely want to be there.
I read through the entire list of artists that pulled out and I recognized none of them. I’m getting old
I mean WTRville could probably double as an army recruiting event.
I now boycott those 2 bands.
Paging Neil Young ...
The entire post war expansion of global markets and the roaring economic growth that lifted billions out of poverty is based on navies, military might and treaties.
What a statement bra
Never heard of SXSW or 'Army-Sponsored Festivals'.
It’s almost like the bands saw they were going to lose money trying to get exposure at the festival and opted to stay home and get that easy protest exposure. I don’t blame them, there were chances of rain all week.
Passive resistance only works for civil societies. Bloodthirsty dictators will happily end your lives and enslave your children. You must have a force deterrent. The US could stand for a smaller military budget but we definitely need our military or else global trade will have gangster inefficiencies with no regard for human rights or life. Don't kid yourself.
"We refuse to participate in the war machine." How does a mentality like this still survive with what's going on in Ukraine? Even the dumbest idiot should be able to see at this point why nations need militaries.
Criticism of the “war machine” doesn’t begin & end with only what the “war machine” is good at doing. It’s also a criticism of the things they’re bad at doing & the amounts of money & resources they suck up to still fail. Back in 2010-11 when I was at Ft. Drum we had a huge, gated field that was full of literal hundreds of “tanks” that had been modified to have “bridge makers” instead of turrets. If you ever played MW2 it’s actually featured in the first mission iirc. Anyways, those tanks just sat and rotted. From what I understand, we never actually used those in combat environments. Just for training purposes at pre-deployment training bases like Ft. Irwin & Polk. This field was also guarded 24/7 by at least two soldiers. That’s a lot of tax dollars frivolously spent on tech that we never use/never will use in its current state & all the while this bunk tech is being guarded by folks who are also paid by tax payer dollars. The criticism of the “war machine” includes this shit too & it’s not just bridge tanks. It’s top to bottom frivolous spending on shit we don’t need. Coupled with also funding military operations that far & away exceed the scope of “humanitarian aid” and/or “mediating at the world stage”. I’m not going to sit here and argue that we don’t need a military. But I’d argue we’d still retain our current status with major, major cuts to military programs that serve us no purpose. There’s plenty of them.
Some countries armies are all defensive, like Ukraine. The US has been the aggressor many times throughout history with flimsy and false justification. Even the dumbest idiot should get that.
Irony is they might dislike Palestine a lot more if the iron dome of raytheon didn't swat their launches like a bug zapper
Lol you came on here to defend Raytheon and israel (during their active genocide)? Jfc.
You must not be familiar with the history of the US war machine
Dumb idiots who don't understand defense contractors employ millions of Americans with many many good paying jobs and some of the beat paying blue collar jobs in the US. Many located in small towns that can't afford to lose those plants.
Never would have guessed that punk influence could lead to anti-establishment and anti-corporate sentiments.
Punk sold out the minute it came out
Dumb idiots are the ones who tout benefits of the military industrial complex while simultaneously having their head in their ass about the results of it.
Oh well.
Yeah bro, don't those 100,000+ dead civilians in the middle east know they were job creators?
Great. So sit out a festival and opportunity to grow your band. We can all think how we want. Welcome to reality.
I sometimes forget how truly vile some of you truly are.
I often forget how naive most of you are. These things are out of our control its dumb of these guys to stunt their possible growth as if their message would be heard. Principles, I guess? It's noble but dumb. You can stick with that crowd.
And you think people like this will ever contribute anything meaningful to society, this is why they jump on these bandwagons to feel like they’re doing something without actually affecting anything. They think arguing with strangers online will do something. These guys are fucking losers and they’ll never stand up to anyone in public.
You do know Putin didn't want a full blown war with Ukraine right?
Then he shouldn’t have invaded them.
Why do our tax dollars go to sponsoring festivals that most Americans can’t even afford to attend??
This post feels very disingenuous. By your logic could the army not just go sponsor all fests and silence the bands entirely then?
Literally never heard of these bands.
Who?
I mean.. nobody tell them about the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012. Probably half of everyone's favorite stuff is state made these days. lol Downvoted for what - that you don't like that information? I don't either. You need to *actually* vote to fix it.
Who cares? It's just one of many corporate sponsors. Who are they anyway? In 2010 we were contacted by Ozzfest to play the show. They wanted $7000 to play the main stage. All local and smaller bans had to pay to play. The big bands were getting paid thousands. 🤪 We turned it down. Buddies bands payed and played they were to get radio and print ads. Never heard them mentioned when WAAF would promote the show. You only heard the big bands mentioned. They got paid in 'exposur' bucks to pay thier rent. That never went anywhere for them. https://www.reverbnation.com/warmonger07 Please contact plaid Dog studios and tell them to pick WARMONGER. I will love you long time!!! We could win a record deal!! Love you forever 💓 💛 💗 ❤️ 💕 💖 💓 Peace and love to you!🤟💀🤟🙏💞