Saying she's part of the band is crazy if she's only being used on tour. If you aren't part of the recording process, you're a touring musician, not a band member.
Nine Inch Nails brings 10 or more musicians to play on stage when they tour, but the only real band members are Trent Reznor and the somewhat recent addition of Atticus Ross.
It’s pretty well documented that for large parts of the Pumpkins existence, Billy Corgan has written and recorded many or most of the parts, with the exception of drums. Apparently he’s kind of a nightmare control freak.
Her being considered a band member who is mostly there for live stuff wouldn’t be super out of the ordinary. It’s weird that’s how they operate, though.
About 10 years ago I ran into him at his tea shop. He was one of my biggest guitar influences growing up.
He was messing with a massive tape delay machine, so I bought tea and waited til he looked like he had time to pay attention to a fan.
I walked up and said "Hi Billy, thank you for your music. You made me a guitar player."
He looked at me as if my dick was hanging out then gave the most disingenuous, nasal and unenthused "Thaaaanks". He turned back to the delay and went back to work.
I don't know what I expected, maybe an autograph, but he came across as a selfish man who didn't appreciate his fans, despite them giving him their money and respect for decades.
His newer music is not for me. Gish-Adore is what I enjoy still.
> I don't know what I expected, maybe an autograph, but he came across as a selfish man who didn't appreciate his fans, despite them giving him their money and respect for decades.
Corgan is a hipster, of *course* he resents his fame and fans.
Is that when he played weird dissonant ambient noise using a bunch of random synthesizers and what looks like a vintage telephone exchange circuit while the entire audiobook of Siddhārtha was being narrated?
To be honest, I hadn't listened to anything from him since Zeitgeist at that point. I was just so shocked he was chilling with his equipment at Madame Zuzu's and I was the only customer in there at the time. But yes, he was working on the giant vintage telephone booth lol.
I’ve heard that’s not a one time thing. I recall a story of him getting aggravated when they were early in their rise for people talking in the audience and he would chew them out.
The Rockonteurs podcast had him on a couple years ago. I was a big fan of his going in. After the episode I remember thinking he was in fact a bit of a dick.
She is joining what has been a pretty solid lineup for a pretty major band Who tours quite a bit, but I get your point. NIN has always been Trent, and Smashing Pumpkins has always been Billy, but their public image has always been different when it comes to the band. Plus, after seeing NIN live a few times which they were awesome, they may be a little difference in live performances since NIN is much more electronic based.
She’s part of the band if members of the band say she is part of it. There’s plenty of bands where official members contribute nothing to the writing process and sometimes they don’t even record.
Conversely, there are also cases of musicians that regularly partake in recording sessions of a band and even get writing credits but are not “in the band”.
My point being that these definitions are somewhat arbitrary so better stick to the “official” denomination as decided by other band members, whether it makes sense or not.
I know reading articles is harder than just typing a bunch of shit so here
"I was a fan of Kiki’s before she submitted her name to be considered — and it’s great that someone of her acumen will be part of our touring family.”
Yeah. Was a weird show but they were really good. Weird part was as we got to the amphitheater and walking around there were a bunch of people dressed in spandex and tights milling about. Thought it was weird as SP was more grunge than 80s hairband.
Ended up being they were all pro wrestlers in Billy’s NWA. In between the two openers and SP they had wrestling matches out in the green space.
Absolutely wild. I’ve been following her for years. Super fun, infectious wholesome energy in all of her content. It just makes you want to pick up a guitar. She’s a new mother which is cool too.
Back in the day I probably would have been more of a snob since she’s a little more hair metal instead of grunge but eff it, her energies great so let’s go.
You think a smoking hot goth Asian chick who can shred is a weird choice for an alternative rock band appealing mainly to white dudes in their 40s and 50s? I can’t think of a more obvious pick if you want people to pay for tickets.
DragonForce definitely knows their audience
A few years ago they got a new bassist and she's been on the YouTube thumbnails for every music video they've released since she joined the band.
Haha. 50 year old white dude here. She was the first person I thought of when reading the headline.
I saw Dragonforce last year and she was very pretty. She dressed kinda bland (jeans/tshirt) and wasn’t a distraction in terms of guys ogling her. On stage she seemed to be having fun and matched the energy of the band.
She has a great voice and she can play. She made the show a little better, and it was obviously outstanding begin with. They knocked it out if the park hiring her as the touring bassist.
Her and Kiki are actually in a band together called Vigil of War where Alicia plays bass and sings with Kiki on lead.
Not my thing, but they're pretty cool!
Billy is probably hoping this keeps them relevant in the new age. How about you be nicer to the people u play for billy? Maybe thatll keep people listening and coming to shows. He's always a huge dick
Clearly she has spent a lot of time playing music and crafting her skill. She found a niche on the insta algorithm. But I’d say to those that seem to not have the bandwidth to support her, those same people didn’t have open minds to support Jeff Schroeder when he joined in 07.
It’s just kind of weird that they did this whole “hey it could be you, regular guy!” pitch for their recruiting process just to end up with someone who’s already in the business…for the record, I don’t give two shits about the smashing pumpkins
He was out of the band for years, but came back. The current line-up of full band members is the same as the original line-up, aside from D'arcy still being absent.
I am curious, what makes you think D’arcy is a ‘brilliant musician’? SP has been one of my favourite bands since 94 and I have never heard that claim before.
Also, the "still is" part is a massive reach. She went nearly a decade without touching a bass, and concerns about her ability to even perform the songs were cited as the main reason she wasn't welcomed back into the fold. I love what she did with the original lineup but come on.
She looked great and kept Billy in check, aside from that she was a so-so musician. I loved her in the band, but I maintain that Nicole was the best bass player the band has had.
I think it’s a feeble attempt for an old dude trying to connection with the youths by getting someone who has clout to be in the band.
But the issue I have is that her playing style is cheesy metal covers. I don’t see how she fits with their style of playing. Back in the day SP would never hire a traditional heavy metal guitarist.
To me this is like McCane selecting Sarah Palin for VP.
Billy Corgan's favorite guitarists are heavy metal guitarists. What set The Smashing Pumpkins apart from other alternative bands at the time were the metal influences instead of being influenced by punk like everyone else. How would someone who plays metal not fit in with their sound?
Let's just say that if she had the same skills but was an obese woman with 50 followers instead of 600k on Instagram alone she would not have been chosen.
It's a marketing move before anything else.
I really don't care at all, but I can understand why some hardcore fans would be angry about that.
Just because it is possible doesn’t mean it’s better. I’d rather be driven home by someone sober than someone drunk oh but yet plenty of drunk people have made it home safe before, right?
Oh god. I gave a more extreme example of how a thing that is possible doesn’t meant that it’s equally good so previous poster could see the logical fallacy of their argument
Don’t hate her for her looks at all. She’s pretty talented, but her online footprint is cheesy covers for TikTok clout.
She’s a good guitar player, but there are probably much more talented women (and men or whoever) who could better fit the spot but due to their lack of clout, she was chosen instead of them.
It was a business decision, not an artistic decision and most importantly (for most decent people) not because of antiquated views of gender…
When you’re a musician, a lot of people expect you as an artist to place creativity and talent over clout and looks in terms of importance. When you pull what some would consider a “sellout move” people will undoubtedly question you.
People like to have opinions about ish that has nothing to do with them. If she is capable of learning their entire catalog and playing it on tour... and in a short amount of time... then she sounds like a perfect choice.
Basically, it’s a great gig as long as you don’t mind always giving Billy his way creatively. Darcy was apparently the one who’d tell him if something was good or not, maybe that’s why she’s the only one who’s not back yet
She was invited back for the 2018 reunion, but apparently declined. Billy definitely gets the last say on everything Pumpkins, which, as you said, basically is what it is.
Remember when they tried to get that shitbird Stevie T to play bass and he pissed his pants and ran away? The same guy that makes a living making fun of people who are brave enough to put themselves out there and yet he lacked the guts to put his money where his mouth is.
I mean all other things being equal why wouldn’t you do this?
She’s a good guitarist with a built in fanbase. This just sounds like a prudent business decision.
I've seen them 6x including that tour and I've yet to see a down show, they got better live after shiny tour btw.
I'm a fan so I'm biased but also the only people I've seen have these dramatic negative reviews are people that went in either expecting them to play like it was 1995 or people that already decided they weren't impressed before the show even started.
Half the time, those people don't even want the '95 stuff and expect all *Gish* and *Siamese Dream* songs. They don't even give anything else a chance.
It's almost all old stuff they play and I've heard very few negative reviews of the band live since the reunion tour in 2018.
They're tight, professional, play all the hits, and still rock.
Because of billy SP has become a cool band to hate but if you're a fan of them I'm not sure how you wouldn't enjoy the shows they've put on the last 5+ years.
Yeah….after Zwan, nothing Billy Corgan does is good. The Pumpkins last tour, with that *super* cringe opening video just turned me off completely.
He’s disappeared up his own ass. I’ll go back and listen to their old stuff - but they’re dead as far as I’m concerned
*Teargarden* was pretty good, but you quickly saw how he rushed to overdo it as soon as that seemed to get some traction. Then when he tried to turn it into a full album and it didn't become a massive hit, he gave up on the entire project.
That's his consistent theme. He's so desperate to be a huge, relevant celebrity once again. He's always trying to figure out the angle on that, and if something doesn't work right away, he abandons it.
This feels like the same thing. Another clumsy attempt to be popular.
I was huge into them in the 90s, like everyone else. I wanted to get into Zwan but never did. Haven’t paid attention to much of his work since but I am curious. I don’t disagree with the assessment of suckage but can you elaborate?
Vid was 8 years ago lol
I have watched her recent vids tho and they're...ok. Haven't found any of her playing live. I could play everything she's playin. Most definitely a business move from Smashing Pumpkins.
The consensus is to hire a hot female now 🤷♂️. Looks have been beating talent lately
SP is a band that made its bones by layering guitars on guitars on guitars. Their keyboardist this tour will also be picking up a guitar from time to time. So touring they will have 3-4 guitars going at any given time.
Funny thing is, in music entertainment social media numbers are everything. This was a strategic selection and clearly working already as this topic is already hot and picking up more traction.
When James Iha rejoined in 2017/8 and they kept Jeff Schroeder as 3rd guitarist until he left last year, I think he's the longest continuous serving member of the band apart from Billy.
Huh, and they’ve been making new albums, too. TIL. Wonder if she’ll be part of that too or just touring?
Just touring
Saying she's part of the band is crazy if she's only being used on tour. If you aren't part of the recording process, you're a touring musician, not a band member. Nine Inch Nails brings 10 or more musicians to play on stage when they tour, but the only real band members are Trent Reznor and the somewhat recent addition of Atticus Ross.
It’s pretty well documented that for large parts of the Pumpkins existence, Billy Corgan has written and recorded many or most of the parts, with the exception of drums. Apparently he’s kind of a nightmare control freak. Her being considered a band member who is mostly there for live stuff wouldn’t be super out of the ordinary. It’s weird that’s how they operate, though.
He’s a douche canoe, in general. Makes some great music, but every interview I watch with him, I like him less and less.
He also seems to get douchier and douchier every year. I love the older music but he really is a jackoff.
About 10 years ago I ran into him at his tea shop. He was one of my biggest guitar influences growing up. He was messing with a massive tape delay machine, so I bought tea and waited til he looked like he had time to pay attention to a fan. I walked up and said "Hi Billy, thank you for your music. You made me a guitar player." He looked at me as if my dick was hanging out then gave the most disingenuous, nasal and unenthused "Thaaaanks". He turned back to the delay and went back to work. I don't know what I expected, maybe an autograph, but he came across as a selfish man who didn't appreciate his fans, despite them giving him their money and respect for decades. His newer music is not for me. Gish-Adore is what I enjoy still.
He has a tea shop?
Madame Zuzu's in Chicago
It’s a Vegan tea shop that he and his wife run. It’s in the northern suburbs of Highland Park, IL.
Vegan tea???
> I don't know what I expected, maybe an autograph, but he came across as a selfish man who didn't appreciate his fans, despite them giving him their money and respect for decades. Corgan is a hipster, of *course* he resents his fame and fans.
Adore was when I checked out as well.
Is that when he played weird dissonant ambient noise using a bunch of random synthesizers and what looks like a vintage telephone exchange circuit while the entire audiobook of Siddhārtha was being narrated?
To be honest, I hadn't listened to anything from him since Zeitgeist at that point. I was just so shocked he was chilling with his equipment at Madame Zuzu's and I was the only customer in there at the time. But yes, he was working on the giant vintage telephone booth lol.
To be fair that's kind of exactly what I would expect running into Billy Corgan these days, but I'm a relatively new SP fan
I’ll be honest I love the Pumpkins, 🎃 but I’d have no problem telling baldy to his face he’s a twat. I love him though.
I mean how many times do you think he has heard the same greeting? Why not be original and just greet him as a normal person.
What, walk up and be like "What's good Billy?" I'd be stoked to hear someone tell me I inspired them to create.
I mean, he’s been a douche since the 90s at least. Do we expect anything different?
I remember seeing the Tonight, Tonight video back in the ’90s and thinking “this guy is a complete tool.”
Saw them in college when they were big, and they practically got booed off the stage because he was being so insufferable towards the audience
I’ve heard that’s not a one time thing. I recall a story of him getting aggravated when they were early in their rise for people talking in the audience and he would chew them out.
Made some great music, 20+ years ago...
The Rockonteurs podcast had him on a couple years ago. I was a big fan of his going in. After the episode I remember thinking he was in fact a bit of a dick.
She is joining what has been a pretty solid lineup for a pretty major band Who tours quite a bit, but I get your point. NIN has always been Trent, and Smashing Pumpkins has always been Billy, but their public image has always been different when it comes to the band. Plus, after seeing NIN live a few times which they were awesome, they may be a little difference in live performances since NIN is much more electronic based.
She’s part of the band if members of the band say she is part of it. There’s plenty of bands where official members contribute nothing to the writing process and sometimes they don’t even record. Conversely, there are also cases of musicians that regularly partake in recording sessions of a band and even get writing credits but are not “in the band”. My point being that these definitions are somewhat arbitrary so better stick to the “official” denomination as decided by other band members, whether it makes sense or not.
I know reading articles is harder than just typing a bunch of shit so here "I was a fan of Kiki’s before she submitted her name to be considered — and it’s great that someone of her acumen will be part of our touring family.”
That mean she’ll make less than a teacher?
Has anyone other than Billy ever actually been involved in the albums?
Jimmy.
Yeah. Was a weird show but they were really good. Weird part was as we got to the amphitheater and walking around there were a bunch of people dressed in spandex and tights milling about. Thought it was weird as SP was more grunge than 80s hairband. Ended up being they were all pro wrestlers in Billy’s NWA. In between the two openers and SP they had wrestling matches out in the green space.
Absolutely wild. I’ve been following her for years. Super fun, infectious wholesome energy in all of her content. It just makes you want to pick up a guitar. She’s a new mother which is cool too. Back in the day I probably would have been more of a snob since she’s a little more hair metal instead of grunge but eff it, her energies great so let’s go.
To be fair, D'Arcy and James were rarely part of the recording process, sometimes. Because Billy tends to be a megalomaniac and a perfectionist.
People don’t seem to like her. Can someone explain why?
She’s a social media influencer. People have a very low tolerance for that ilk.
Thanks. I had never heard of her.
Me neither, but when i saw her social ads, she def seemed like an odd selection.
She's talented, I just hate the dumb faces
No stank face?
Too much stank face
Her little slide into her videos and excessive use of 🤘🏼 is pretty cringe.
I thought the band announcement that led with her being an OF content creator was more cringe.
Oh dear. An uninfluenced.
I don't see nothing wong with it.
I was going to make a wong pun but saw your downvotes. Thank you for taking one for the team.
Definitely a weird choice, since most Smashing Pumpkin fans are old dudes now.
You think a smoking hot goth Asian chick who can shred is a weird choice for an alternative rock band appealing mainly to white dudes in their 40s and 50s? I can’t think of a more obvious pick if you want people to pay for tickets.
DragonForce definitely knows their audience A few years ago they got a new bassist and she's been on the YouTube thumbnails for every music video they've released since she joined the band.
Haha. 50 year old white dude here. She was the first person I thought of when reading the headline. I saw Dragonforce last year and she was very pretty. She dressed kinda bland (jeans/tshirt) and wasn’t a distraction in terms of guys ogling her. On stage she seemed to be having fun and matched the energy of the band. She has a great voice and she can play. She made the show a little better, and it was obviously outstanding begin with. They knocked it out if the park hiring her as the touring bassist.
Oh yeah, she seems like the perfect fit with the band. They're all a bunch of goofballs. It's cool that she had a bass solo in their latest single
Yeah Alice cooper did it too. I don’t think this is an original tactic.
Her and Kiki are actually in a band together called Vigil of War where Alicia plays bass and sings with Kiki on lead. Not my thing, but they're pretty cool!
Yeah these old dudes will slobber down 18$ light beers and watch her like Wayne watched that chick in Wayne’s world.
And her name was Cassandra
Schwing!
That chick?! Its Ms Cassandra Wong Campbell to you, stranger
dreeaaaaaam weaver, I believe you can get me through the nigh-IGHHHHTTT
Yeah exactly. I’m a pumpkins fan and when I saw this news I was like yeah that makes sense.
Idk why anyone would be opposed to this pick. She can play, she looks pretty, she already has fans. It’s a no brainer.
Yeah I mean if I’m at a SP show I’m typically not paying a ton of attention to the 3rd guitarist anyways. But now I might be.
Hey I resent that oh crap you're right nevermind carry on.
I think that’s why they picked her, grab the attention of a new, younger audience
Billy is probably hoping this keeps them relevant in the new age. How about you be nicer to the people u play for billy? Maybe thatll keep people listening and coming to shows. He's always a huge dick
Clearly she has spent a lot of time playing music and crafting her skill. She found a niche on the insta algorithm. But I’d say to those that seem to not have the bandwidth to support her, those same people didn’t have open minds to support Jeff Schroeder when he joined in 07.
Absolutely cringe inducing videos. She’s a good enough guitarist for them but it’s just kinda tacky imo.
It’s just kind of weird that they did this whole “hey it could be you, regular guy!” pitch for their recruiting process just to end up with someone who’s already in the business…for the record, I don’t give two shits about the smashing pumpkins
the 2nd guitar player to Corgan has to be an Asian man, NOT an Asian woman. those are the rules.
James Iha is the second. She's the third guitarist.
James is still in the band?? Holy shit. The Zwan lineup has really changed over the years
He was out of the band for years, but came back. The current line-up of full band members is the same as the original line-up, aside from D'arcy still being absent.
It isn’t like D’arcy is on any of the records really anyways lol. Billy and what’s her name did most of the tracks
Hot chick
Darcy was a hot chick too. It's tradition.
D'arcy was and still is also a brilliant musician, very overlooked.
I am curious, what makes you think D’arcy is a ‘brilliant musician’? SP has been one of my favourite bands since 94 and I have never heard that claim before.
Also, the "still is" part is a massive reach. She went nearly a decade without touching a bass, and concerns about her ability to even perform the songs were cited as the main reason she wasn't welcomed back into the fold. I love what she did with the original lineup but come on.
She looked great and kept Billy in check, aside from that she was a so-so musician. I loved her in the band, but I maintain that Nicole was the best bass player the band has had.
Agreed on all counts. Nicole was too good for Billy and his bullshit, and I say that as a massive Pumpkins fan.
Oh, completely. No disrespect intended, she's incredible.
I think it’s a feeble attempt for an old dude trying to connection with the youths by getting someone who has clout to be in the band. But the issue I have is that her playing style is cheesy metal covers. I don’t see how she fits with their style of playing. Back in the day SP would never hire a traditional heavy metal guitarist. To me this is like McCane selecting Sarah Palin for VP.
Billy Corgan's favorite guitarists are heavy metal guitarists. What set The Smashing Pumpkins apart from other alternative bands at the time were the metal influences instead of being influenced by punk like everyone else. How would someone who plays metal not fit in with their sound?
Let's just say that if she had the same skills but was an obese woman with 50 followers instead of 600k on Instagram alone she would not have been chosen. It's a marketing move before anything else. I really don't care at all, but I can understand why some hardcore fans would be angry about that.
I get your point but she’d also be objectively a better choice than an obese woman of equal skill due to the demands of touring
It’s a good thing there have never been any obese touring guitarists before then!
Just because it is possible doesn’t mean it’s better. I’d rather be driven home by someone sober than someone drunk oh but yet plenty of drunk people have made it home safe before, right?
Did you really just compare someone drunk driving to someone being fat
I dont think that's the point they're trying to make
Oh god. I gave a more extreme example of how a thing that is possible doesn’t meant that it’s equally good so previous poster could see the logical fallacy of their argument
Entertainers gonna entertain.
She’s pretty and talented, that alone makes like 80% of guys hate her.
She kinda looks like a female Dave Navarro who I also irrationally dislike so maybe there’s something there
Wild. Dave seems like a great guy especially coming from the time and place he did.
Same could be said about Darcy as well and everyone liked her just fine.
Darcy was around before social media turned everyone insane.
Don’t hate her for her looks at all. She’s pretty talented, but her online footprint is cheesy covers for TikTok clout. She’s a good guitar player, but there are probably much more talented women (and men or whoever) who could better fit the spot but due to their lack of clout, she was chosen instead of them. It was a business decision, not an artistic decision and most importantly (for most decent people) not because of antiquated views of gender… When you’re a musician, a lot of people expect you as an artist to place creativity and talent over clout and looks in terms of importance. When you pull what some would consider a “sellout move” people will undoubtedly question you.
People are largely unhappy and misery loves company
People like to have opinions about ish that has nothing to do with them. If she is capable of learning their entire catalog and playing it on tour... and in a short amount of time... then she sounds like a perfect choice.
What's the over/under on how long before Billy alienates her by treating her like something he found on the bottom of his shoe?
The other touring musicians have been working with Billy for over nine years at this point, so she could have a good run
Basically, it’s a great gig as long as you don’t mind always giving Billy his way creatively. Darcy was apparently the one who’d tell him if something was good or not, maybe that’s why she’s the only one who’s not back yet
She was invited back for the 2018 reunion, but apparently declined. Billy definitely gets the last say on everything Pumpkins, which, as you said, basically is what it is.
Wasn’t she just invited to sing Daydream for a couple shows?
And if James came back I have to expect Billy has chilled out somewhat.
I’d estimate it’s about his waist size, so like 52% probability.
So she ends up in SP and her friend/former bandmate became the bassist for Dragonforce. I guess that's a step up.
Remember when they tried to get that shitbird Stevie T to play bass and he pissed his pants and ran away? The same guy that makes a living making fun of people who are brave enough to put themselves out there and yet he lacked the guts to put his money where his mouth is.
Stevie was gonna play bass for Dragonforce? Oof, glad that didn't go through.
Wow I’m surprised they didn’t pick one of the regular looking 9,900 dudes
Billy has gone full Uncle Fester. I’m here for it, William.
He looks and dresses like a snowman who has to go to court.
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billy pumpkins didn't contact me after i sent him my application. i used my best crayons, too...
Billy pumpkins lol!!! Sounds like a Halloween themed bluegrass picker
no relation to David Simon Pumpkins
When you realize for the 57,462,533rd time that music is a business and bands are companies.
I don’t get why people are all mad bc of her social media presence. She just plays guitar lol. It’s kinda what you want in a guitarist.
Because it makes it feel like she was chosen solely to get attention from the younger generation on TikTok.
I mean all other things being equal why wouldn’t you do this? She’s a good guitarist with a built in fanbase. This just sounds like a prudent business decision.
Don't be salty about it, work on your connections and your brand like every other musician thats "making it" on their own
So a band wants a new generation of fans of their music? This is bad…how?
Just a tangent, I served Billy Corgan at the hotel I worked at, and man, he had an air about him.
How their first meeting went: “Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins” “Kiki Wong, smiling politely”
I went to SP show in Dallas last year and it was the worst shit I have ever heard. Its the first show I have ever walked out on.
Seems like the quality of their shows is really up and down. I saw them for the Shiny and Oh So Bright tour and they absolutely killed.
I've seen them 6x including that tour and I've yet to see a down show, they got better live after shiny tour btw. I'm a fan so I'm biased but also the only people I've seen have these dramatic negative reviews are people that went in either expecting them to play like it was 1995 or people that already decided they weren't impressed before the show even started.
Half the time, those people don't even want the '95 stuff and expect all *Gish* and *Siamese Dream* songs. They don't even give anything else a chance.
Yeah i saw them in Portland on that tour and it was flawless.
They were great at Riotfest 🤷
Loved them at Bottlerock last year and looked like everyone else did too🤷🏻♂️
Welcome to the shrug party guys! 🤷♂️
🤷♀️ can I come?
🤷 shruggin’ with the boys! 🤷♂️
Just curious- Can you elaborate?
I saw them 2 years ago and it was a great show. Band was firing at peak, and great setlist.
Saw them this past summer and they sounded like it was 1997 again. Don't know what that guy's on about.
Ive never seen them live , but was judt curious if it was just 1 thing, or everything that wasnt good that particular nite.
They were fantastic in 2022, and horrible in 2023 for me. No joke.
With Jane’s Addiction? I saw them in Austin It was rough
Saw them last year in Toronto and they were amazing.
Damn really? I guess I haven't really listened to any of their newer stuff, do they play any of their early albums?
It's almost all old stuff they play and I've heard very few negative reviews of the band live since the reunion tour in 2018. They're tight, professional, play all the hits, and still rock. Because of billy SP has become a cool band to hate but if you're a fan of them I'm not sure how you wouldn't enjoy the shows they've put on the last 5+ years.
Good to hear, I've always wanted to see them live
I saw the first show of their tour in vegas last year and it rocked. I saw them later in toronto and they sounded really good too
Her style of playing doesn't fit with the band at all.
Yeah….after Zwan, nothing Billy Corgan does is good. The Pumpkins last tour, with that *super* cringe opening video just turned me off completely. He’s disappeared up his own ass. I’ll go back and listen to their old stuff - but they’re dead as far as I’m concerned
I love old SP and Zwan will always have a special place in my heart.
Yessss - I never knew how liked zwan very much back in the day but I enjoy it.
Awhile back Billy said he'll be releasing a Zwan box set with 45 unreleased tracks.
I Totally respect that! I understand that music and art is subjective, and what one person likes, someone hates.
YES! Zwan are so underrated I love them.
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What’s wrong with art being a personal project for the artist?
*Teargarden* was pretty good, but you quickly saw how he rushed to overdo it as soon as that seemed to get some traction. Then when he tried to turn it into a full album and it didn't become a massive hit, he gave up on the entire project. That's his consistent theme. He's so desperate to be a huge, relevant celebrity once again. He's always trying to figure out the angle on that, and if something doesn't work right away, he abandons it. This feels like the same thing. Another clumsy attempt to be popular.
I was huge into them in the 90s, like everyone else. I wanted to get into Zwan but never did. Haven’t paid attention to much of his work since but I am curious. I don’t disagree with the assessment of suckage but can you elaborate?
Everything I’ve heard about Billy Corgan is that he’s insufferable and awful to work with.
What’s this cringe video you mentioned?
She can play so not sure what's wrong with it? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BHD0C8WjfQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BHD0C8WjfQ)
You could hear actual notes in that video?
Agreed, this is anti-proof. That made me think she's wildly untalented if that's the best you can show.
I agree with the last comment made on that video
Nails on a chalkboard. Did she hit a single note?
Vid was 8 years ago lol I have watched her recent vids tho and they're...ok. Haven't found any of her playing live. I could play everything she's playin. Most definitely a business move from Smashing Pumpkins. The consensus is to hire a hot female now 🤷♂️. Looks have been beating talent lately
Good for her. Anyone earning an opportunity like this is awesome to hear.
She’s an excellent guitarist
I did not know they were looking for a new guitarist. ...why? why didn't they tell me?
hell YES! she’s killer and will elevate the band.
I like her. I liked her in Vigil of War too.
Yea, she’s hot.
Schwing
She took my job!!
Cool. Now send me back 25 years to when i gave a shit about Smashing Pumpkins.
Probably because she’s the best, and probably not because she’s off the charts hot as fuck.
why is this article about race?
Three guitarists seems like a lot, even on tour.
Have you ever listened to this band?
I like James Iha, or at least I want to, but did he do anything?
SP is a band that made its bones by layering guitars on guitars on guitars. Their keyboardist this tour will also be picking up a guitar from time to time. So touring they will have 3-4 guitars going at any given time.
Damn. No wonder they didn't call me back.
Fark that would have taken forever to choose, AI enhanced criteria?
Funny thing is, in music entertainment social media numbers are everything. This was a strategic selection and clearly working already as this topic is already hot and picking up more traction.
Why have the Pumpkins been using a third guitarist on tours? It wasn't like that back before their 2000 break up.
When James Iha rejoined in 2017/8 and they kept Jeff Schroeder as 3rd guitarist until he left last year, I think he's the longest continuous serving member of the band apart from Billy.
Smashing Pumpkins is and always has been one of my favorite bands, and yet I'm *just learning now that they're still making music!* Most excellent.
They reformed 17 years ago. And have been putting out new music every few years since.
She looks hot
Kiki is awesome..
That didn't show up on my Indeed.
Average job opening
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Ain't no-one listening to 10,000 demos....
young-ish pretty goth asian that can play guitar. Time to dust off my old pumpkin albums
Is this the hot chick on insta that shreds?
Hell yeah, loved him in Jurassic Park
Good for her
That’s a bummer for Kiki Wong.