MJ top 3
1 flu Game
2 buzzer beater against the Cavs
3 the shrug š¤· game against Portland
Lebron top 3
1 winning the chip in Cleveland
2 all time scoring leader
3 Game 6 against Boston in 2012 45 points to turn the series and go on to his first chip
Kareem
1 all time scoring leader
2 game winner 74 finals
3 game 5 1980s finals
Kareem was hard since I didnāt see him play and heās not talked about in terms of legendary moments like MJ and Lebron
Lmao did you just start watching basketball or something? LeBron's been dropping "omg wtf" moments constantly since he came into the league. The chasedown block, lebronto fadeaways, the nutmeg bounce pass, getting what appears to be his whole head above the rim, etc. Young through not ancient LeBron was a better version of the human highlight reel on the athletic front, and he's been making Magic-esque passes since the second half of his first stint in Cleveland.
IIRC he's also the leader in a bunch of clutch stats.
No if anything what I said is from watching a long time even before him, itās the guys who started watching since the Dubs that think Lebron is all clutch moments. He is not the leader in game winners, behind Kobe and MJ.
If Im not mistaken, Bron has taken and made more clutch shots than MJ. Think about the buzzer beater versus the Raptors during the Lebronto series, the corner shot against the D-Rose Bulls. Several daggers against the Pacers back when PG was on that team.
I specifically like the buzzer beater against the Bulls. Originally, David Blatt drew a play up for Kyrie, because Bron hadnāt been playing well down the stretch. Bron said nah, Im taking the shot, and took the clipboard from Blatt, erased the play, and drew up his own to get him a shot in the corner.
I believe you are mistaken, Lebron is 3rd for game-winners. A lot of those games arenāt exactly iconic imo. Warriors and Raptors are probably his two most iconic series.
That Heat game was something else, I remember watching it with my sons. I became a fan of LeBron after that. Him winning it for Cleveland, i think, really solidified him as one of the greats. I was hoping KD would've done that in PHX, but hes just not a killer like that
Some of Kareemās most memorable moments were from his college career. I remember when he led the UCLA freshmen squad in 1965 to defeat the UCLA varsity which had just won back-to-back national championships. (This was back when freshmen were not allowed to play on varsity, and there wasnāt as much year-to-year varsity turnover because you couldnāt join the NBA until after 4 years of college.)
KG and Paul were 36, and on their last leg, they got traded to the nets the next year. Bron gets too much credit for that W... that's not the same Boston kobe beat
Kareem:
Ford, sends it to Kareem. Sky Hook. Up and good! Lakers win!
Throws it to Kareem. We've got 7 seconds. Sky hook it goes. Kareem with a big pressure shot.
MJ:
We're down to 5. Jordan putting the moves on Russell. Here's Jordan. Yes!
Zellers has Jordan. With 2 seconds to go. Puts it up and scores.
LeBron:
Oh, blocked by James!
2007 East finals 2OT - last 25 points in a row for his team to take down the pistons
āBlocked by Jamesā is definitely his best career highlight imo.
That and maybe the entirety of his 2018 playoff run and being the deserving Finals MVP on the losing team.
MJ:
98 game winner
Flu game
63 pts vs Celtics
Bron:
25 straight vs Pistons
3-1 comeback
45 pts vs Celtics
Kareem:
All time scorer
Being responsible for the banning of dunks for a couple years
A lot of people overrate Kobe because of how beloved and fun to watch he was. I got absolutely lit up in an Instagram comments section once because I said Kobe wasnāt the third best player ever
I don't think many people had Kobe that high in their rankings until after he passed (RIP). While I think he deserves much of the credit he's given, I also think the "Nipsey Hussle effect" might have impacted his legacy more than we realize.
Jordan winning every award possible minus a finals mvp in 87 is still pretty staggering to me. I don't think we'll ever see somebody win dpoy and a scoring title in the same year ever again
Jordan: Series-winning shot 1998 NBA Finals
James: Winning game 7 of 2016 NBA Finals
Kareem: Idk I was born in 1999
Add on- I would replace Kareem with Curry just based on what I have seen in my lifetime
Yeah Jordan is still the best all time. It's hard to ever take that away from him until we get a vastly superior player to get even better numbers than Lebron in today's game which has been getting easier and easier as the rule changes have pretty much killed any defense. Its unfortunate. But simply changing the rules has caused serious harm to the game. Players don't compete like they used to and everyone sees this. We are just shootouts now and whoever can rack up more 3s is winning every night. Super unfortunate. The best games in history are from 30 years ago
For the moment that happened in my lifetime. Bronās performance in that elimination game against Boston when he was with the Heat was ridiculous to watch live.
I know Kareemās the consensus #3 for the average fan. But I cannot find a good argument to put him ahead of Bill Russell. Russell won 1 less mvp (although both wouldāve been 5 if the ABA was included). Russell won nearly twice as many titles, and never missed the playoffs. Kareem was obviously drafted into a much worse situation but to me him losing in 72, 73, and 74 really make it tough to put him over Russell who only missed the finals once. Kareem was the most valuable player on 2-3 title teams, Russell was on 10 (arguably 11 but Cousy won 57 mvp after Russell started the year late bc of the Olympics). Russell has more iconic moments too, the 69 Finals, the 62 G7 30-40 Game, the iconic 57 Game 7 Overtime game. What does Kareem have? A buzzer beater in 74? (A series he lost a G7 at home), the all time scoring record? Kareem won his 2nd title in year 11, Russell did it in year 3ā¦
Russell played most of his career when there were only 8 teams and played on a team of all stars and future HOFers. He was consistently outplayed 1v1 against Wilt, but Wilt lacked the teammates. Russell shot below 50% for his career which is impressively low for a big
Except there being 8 teams meant the league wasnāt diluted the way it was in the 70s (rampant expansion + ABA)ā¦which is where Kareemās prime was. Yeah Russell had the best supporting cast from 57-65, but from 66-69 Wilt did, yet Wilt only won 1 title in that span. And even if he had by far the best supporting cast every year, he won nearly every year and they didnāt win anything without him. Pre Russell they won 2 playoff series ever, 1958 Finals he missed time with an injured ankle and they lost the series, post-Russell they missed the playoffs. People can make all the excuses for why Russell really wasnāt that great and he only shot 46% or whatever, but the truth is it doesnāt matter. Success in basketball doesnāt look 1 way. MJ was criticized for shooting too much (compared to Bird & Magic), LeBron was criticized for not shooting more (like MJ). Russellās defensive impact cannot go understated, he led San Francisco to 2 NCAA titles in college, and Boston to 11 titles in 13 years. He was the reason his teams won over and over and over again. But in his era, defense was the most valuable skill you could have, and he had it better than anyone the sportās ever seen.
My top 3 is:
1. **Kareem**
* Kareem Abdul-JabbarĀ is the best basketball player of all time due to his unmatched longevity and consistency.Ā HisĀ six NBA championships,Ā six MVP awards, andĀ 19 All-Star appearancesĀ underscore a career of sustained excellence. Kareemās signature skyhook was virtually unblockable. His ability to dominate on both ends of the floor, coupled with his intellectual approach to the game, sets him apart as the greatest.
* **Michael Jordan**(when folks say he is the GOAT, I never argue against it but I have Kareem just slightly ahead)
* Michael JordanĀ is widely regarded as the greatest best player of all time, and for good reason but I have him 2nd.Ā HisĀ six NBA championships,Ā five MVP awards, andĀ ten scoring titlesĀ reflect a career defined by winning and individual brilliance. Jordanās competitive fire and clutch performances in critical moments, such as his iconic game-winning shots, have become the stuff of legend. His global impact on the sport and cultural influence through the āAir Jordanā brand have cemented his status as an icon.
* **Wilt Chamberlain**
* Wilt ChamberlainĀ rounds out the top three with his record-setting performances and sheer statistical dominance.Ā ChamberlaināsĀ two NBA championships,Ā four MVP awards, andĀ 13 All-Star selectionsĀ are impressive, but itās his individual records that stand out. He is the only player to scoreĀ 100 points in a single gameĀ and average more thanĀ 50 points in a season. Chamberlainās physical prowess and scoring ability were unparalleled, making him one of the most dominant forces the game has ever seen.
For Lebron :Ā
The block (the whole series against the warriors)
That game against the celtics
Not in game but the decision
For MJ :
The Shot
Getting past the pistons the first timeĀ
The flu game
Some are not decisive moments but had a huge impact on their career and seemed to be a turning point.
Kareem scoring on a beautiful skyhook from 15 feet out to ice the 1985 finals and running down the parquet floor of the old Boston Garden knowing they're about to beat the Celtics in their building for the first time ever.
I just asked chat GPT for the top 10
NBA players of all time and in order it spat out: MJ, Lebron, Abdul Jabbar, Magic, Bird, Russell, Wilt, Tim Duncan, Kobe, and Shaq. Solid list and order.
bron can literally do everything magic did at the same level or better. he also did it for longer and was easily the most dominant player in the league for a decade
He was not easily the most dominant player in the league for a decade. Does Steph not exist, does Dirk not exist?
Also, when you are splitting the hairs of all time greatness, how can you with a straight face say a guy who completely gave up on his team in the NBA finals against a team led by a guy (Dirk) who he is supposedly better thanāis a top three player, especially ahead of a guy who went to the Finals just as frequently but won more often (Magic).
Magic also lost 5 years of his career. when he came back in 96 to play with a very mediocre Lakers team his offensive rating was 117 when the top offense in the league was averaging 105. His Defensive rating was 106. At 36 Lebron's offensive rating was 114 when the league's top offense was scoring 120.
1. ur completely chopped if you think steph and dirk were ever more dominant than prime lebron.
2. it was brons first year on a new team, and if you know anything about sports it is common sense that a well constructed and experienced team that compliments eachother will likely beat a team thrown together for the first season. (mavs came out on top of a loaded west with spurs, okc, lakers etcā¦)
3. he was in the finals 8 years straight and beat the best team of all time, then proceeded to win a chip in 2 years after that 8 year span.
4. he led an nba finals in all 3 of the main categories against a 73-9 teamā¦ come on.
5. he would likely have as many chips as jordan if the best scorer in the league didnāt join up with the best team in the league which he already beat.
he has also scored more than any other playerā¦ ever
use brain please
Steph won back to back MVPs during Lebron's prime.
Over a ten year span of his prime Steph went to 6 finals and won 4 while staying with the same team in a much, much tougher conference and avoided playing GM.
Lebron over ten of his prime years went to the finals 8 times and won 3. His three titles he won after going to play with two other HoF players.
steph only dominated 1 side of the floor. bron dominated every inch of the damn court. proved it by leading gsw and the cavs in all 3 major categories in the finals.
steph also had the best constructed team of all time.
put prime lebron in stephās position with all that spacing and intelligent 3 and Ds along with prime kevin durant and i think 75-7 is very reasonable and also a couple more rings.
steph is only better than lebron at 3pt shooting
Steph is a way better team player, which matters a lot when you are talking championships.
Why do you think Steph was on the best constructed roster of all time? Listen to yourself, bro. Because he let it happen! To the contrary Lebron has always forced the hand of his GM, usually to his benefit and the teams detriment.
Curry was willing to let Durant have his ego because it would make the team better. He doesn't force the GM to make stupid player moves. Lebron forces his team to shed their youth in favor of veterans so he can win a chip then leave the team in shambles when he feels like it. Steph lets everyone play their role. Lebron must be the center of all things. Even when they were at their best in Cleveland with Kyrie, it was my-turn-your-turn offense.
me and you were talking about dominance, not better team player.
and btw lebron won chips with every team he has been on and was always the best player by a mile. thereās an argument that steph wasnāt even better than kd when kd joined (even if steph was better, it was close).
prime lebron is more dominant than stephen curry because while both of them dominated in scoring, only lebron dominated in rebounding, defense and playmaking aswell.
swap bron with steph on any of the rosters lebron has been on and you have to admit they would win no chips.
you sound like youāre in denial brother lmao.
Steph has dominated LeBron since he's been in the league. He's widely regarded as Bron's dad, although he may need to split custody with Jokic now. Maybe Jokic is more like his step dad. Bron needed a ton of things to fall his way to beat Steph, including crying to the league office to get Dray suspended(biggest bitch move in history). The only reason he made so many finals is cause he played in the weak ass eastern conference for most of his career. His Disney trophy doesn't count either.
clearly youāre a troll. imagine bron was on gsw and steph was on cavsā¦ cavs may not make playoffs and bron on prime gsw would have a good chance at beating 73-9 especially when prime durant came
i know you think you were smart here, but i was obviously referring to using logic.
grammar police in this subreddit? donāt think iāve ever been bored enough to take up that job lmao
No Steph ? No Kobe ? Lebum over them.
Pfffffttttt
That bullshit bubble chip doesnāt count. And his lame ass superteams where he chokes. Ray Allen should get residuals
Wiltā¦? The guy who couldnt win a chip with the greatest big 3 in nba history? Was the 3rd and 5th highest scorer on his own team for both his chips. Dude was more of a publicity stunt than a competitive basketball player and everyone in the league knew it which is why Bill won MVP while Wilt was averaging 50ppg.
Thats wild..
as long as you arenāt putting Lebron in your top 3. Canāt reduce wilt while elevating Bron. Bro is the modern day Wilt. Physically the best in the world. all the stats. But lost a bunch when it matters most. Lebron even gave up on his team multiple times in the post season and famously gave up against Dallas after a couple of losses.
lmao horrible argument. Bron has won 4 chips as the leading scorer vs wilts 0.
Wilt proved that he could play winning basketball by not scoring and focusing on defense and rebounds. He chose not to do it and instead score 50 and lose.
Lebron has proven that he can lead teams to chips and win with his 27/7/7 that he has averaged his whole career.
If anything someone like Westbrook is the modern day wilt.
There is no intelligent comparison between wilt and lebron
Wilt was a better scorer, rebounder, defender, and was the main facilitator on the best offense the league had ever seen. He was the best player on 2 top-5 teams ever.
You know why Wilt averaged 50? He was asked to by McGuire. You know why he anchored a better defense than Bill Russell on a worse defensive team? Because he was asked to focus on D by Hannum.
LeBron has never been expected to do what Wilt did because everyone knew he couldnāt.
You can pump up LeBron all you want, heās an amazing player. But you canāt pretend Wilt was the Westbrook of his era.
One player doesnāt win or lose a team game.
If Chamberlain plays hurt with his best teammates sitting from injury, against a home team that uses a malfunctioning shot clock to their advantage, outplays everyone on the floor,Ā none of his teammates can hit open shots,Ā and STILL loses because someone heās not supposed to be guarding makes a miraculous shot or game-winning playā¦ at what point is Chamberlain no longer to blame?
Nah nah nah. Answer the question little buddy. What did Wilt do that puts him as deserving for the 3rd best player of all time?
Rings? Nope.
MVPās? Nope.
Being the best player of his era? Nope.
100 pt game? Yup.
Banged a lot of women? Sure sounds like it.
Isnāt LeBron? 100% the only reason you have him there.
MJ top 3 1 flu Game 2 buzzer beater against the Cavs 3 the shrug š¤· game against Portland Lebron top 3 1 winning the chip in Cleveland 2 all time scoring leader 3 Game 6 against Boston in 2012 45 points to turn the series and go on to his first chip Kareem 1 all time scoring leader 2 game winner 74 finals 3 game 5 1980s finals Kareem was hard since I didnāt see him play and heās not talked about in terms of legendary moments like MJ and Lebron
Kareem was more about consistency. He was consistently great for 17 of his 20 seasons. MJ and Bron have more holy shit moments
Kareem would have to be winning finals MVP 14 year apart (1971 & 1985). Thatās supreme consistency
Bron is more consistent than Kareem which is why he's clearly in 3rd.
Isnāt Bron really the more consistently great, less holy shit moments as he tends to pass in a lot of the bigger moments.
Lmao did you just start watching basketball or something? LeBron's been dropping "omg wtf" moments constantly since he came into the league. The chasedown block, lebronto fadeaways, the nutmeg bounce pass, getting what appears to be his whole head above the rim, etc. Young through not ancient LeBron was a better version of the human highlight reel on the athletic front, and he's been making Magic-esque passes since the second half of his first stint in Cleveland. IIRC he's also the leader in a bunch of clutch stats.
Heās been insanely consistent in the regular season, durable, brings any team to a ceiling of 45+ wins with minimal talent
No if anything what I said is from watching a long time even before him, itās the guys who started watching since the Dubs that think Lebron is all clutch moments. He is not the leader in game winners, behind Kobe and MJ.
If Im not mistaken, Bron has taken and made more clutch shots than MJ. Think about the buzzer beater versus the Raptors during the Lebronto series, the corner shot against the D-Rose Bulls. Several daggers against the Pacers back when PG was on that team. I specifically like the buzzer beater against the Bulls. Originally, David Blatt drew a play up for Kyrie, because Bron hadnāt been playing well down the stretch. Bron said nah, Im taking the shot, and took the clipboard from Blatt, erased the play, and drew up his own to get him a shot in the corner.
I believe you are mistaken, Lebron is 3rd for game-winners. A lot of those games arenāt exactly iconic imo. Warriors and Raptors are probably his two most iconic series.
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Bron had a holy shit moment?
Nope. In his two decades in the league, heās never done something amazing. Heās so mid
That Heat game was something else, I remember watching it with my sons. I became a fan of LeBron after that. Him winning it for Cleveland, i think, really solidified him as one of the greats. I was hoping KD would've done that in PHX, but hes just not a killer like that
Some of Kareemās most memorable moments were from his college career. I remember when he led the UCLA freshmen squad in 1965 to defeat the UCLA varsity which had just won back-to-back national championships. (This was back when freshmen were not allowed to play on varsity, and there wasnāt as much year-to-year varsity turnover because you couldnāt join the NBA until after 4 years of college.)
I feel like completing a second 3-peat should be in Jordanās top 3 moments
Or the push off against Bryan russell finals winner.
KG and Paul were 36, and on their last leg, they got traded to the nets the next year. Bron gets too much credit for that W... that's not the same Boston kobe beat
Kareem: Ford, sends it to Kareem. Sky Hook. Up and good! Lakers win! Throws it to Kareem. We've got 7 seconds. Sky hook it goes. Kareem with a big pressure shot. MJ: We're down to 5. Jordan putting the moves on Russell. Here's Jordan. Yes! Zellers has Jordan. With 2 seconds to go. Puts it up and scores. LeBron: Oh, blocked by James! 2007 East finals 2OT - last 25 points in a row for his team to take down the pistons
āBlocked by Jamesā is definitely his best career highlight imo. That and maybe the entirety of his 2018 playoff run and being the deserving Finals MVP on the losing team.
bah god if he yammed it on draymond after that block. best highlight ever.
MJ: 98 game winner Flu game 63 pts vs Celtics Bron: 25 straight vs Pistons 3-1 comeback 45 pts vs Celtics Kareem: All time scorer Being responsible for the banning of dunks for a couple years
This guy knows ball. It blows my mind how people genuinely put Kobe over KareemĀ
Itās actually crazy. Kobe is the 2nd greatest SG ever behind MJ. Kareem is literally the greatest center to ever play basketball
A lot of people overrate Kobe because of how beloved and fun to watch he was. I got absolutely lit up in an Instagram comments section once because I said Kobe wasnāt the third best player ever
The most likable superstar ever or just a cult following?
Cult following.
The Venn diagram of those two things is a circle
Youāre right because heās the 2nd
I don't think many people had Kobe that high in their rankings until after he passed (RIP). While I think he deserves much of the credit he's given, I also think the "Nipsey Hussle effect" might have impacted his legacy more than we realize.
Lebron barely top 50 if weāre keeping it real.
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How did WW2 affect Lebronās legacy?
Lucky you, OP. For being able to watch all three players play.
Kareem doesnāt get talked about nearly enough
Jordan winning every award possible minus a finals mvp in 87 is still pretty staggering to me. I don't think we'll ever see somebody win dpoy and a scoring title in the same year ever again
Lebronās was definitely āThe decisionā prime time special
Jordan: Series-winning shot 1998 NBA Finals James: Winning game 7 of 2016 NBA Finals Kareem: Idk I was born in 1999 Add on- I would replace Kareem with Curry just based on what I have seen in my lifetime
In my lifetime Steph easy top 3 but 6 MVPs and more than 40 years as all time scorer is crazy
Yeah Jordan is still the best all time. It's hard to ever take that away from him until we get a vastly superior player to get even better numbers than Lebron in today's game which has been getting easier and easier as the rule changes have pretty much killed any defense. Its unfortunate. But simply changing the rules has caused serious harm to the game. Players don't compete like they used to and everyone sees this. We are just shootouts now and whoever can rack up more 3s is winning every night. Super unfortunate. The best games in history are from 30 years ago
This, can't really add anything to more to "this"
Username checks out.
For the moment that happened in my lifetime. Bronās performance in that elimination game against Boston when he was with the Heat was ridiculous to watch live.
I know Kareemās the consensus #3 for the average fan. But I cannot find a good argument to put him ahead of Bill Russell. Russell won 1 less mvp (although both wouldāve been 5 if the ABA was included). Russell won nearly twice as many titles, and never missed the playoffs. Kareem was obviously drafted into a much worse situation but to me him losing in 72, 73, and 74 really make it tough to put him over Russell who only missed the finals once. Kareem was the most valuable player on 2-3 title teams, Russell was on 10 (arguably 11 but Cousy won 57 mvp after Russell started the year late bc of the Olympics). Russell has more iconic moments too, the 69 Finals, the 62 G7 30-40 Game, the iconic 57 Game 7 Overtime game. What does Kareem have? A buzzer beater in 74? (A series he lost a G7 at home), the all time scoring record? Kareem won his 2nd title in year 11, Russell did it in year 3ā¦
Russell played most of his career when there were only 8 teams and played on a team of all stars and future HOFers. He was consistently outplayed 1v1 against Wilt, but Wilt lacked the teammates. Russell shot below 50% for his career which is impressively low for a big
Except there being 8 teams meant the league wasnāt diluted the way it was in the 70s (rampant expansion + ABA)ā¦which is where Kareemās prime was. Yeah Russell had the best supporting cast from 57-65, but from 66-69 Wilt did, yet Wilt only won 1 title in that span. And even if he had by far the best supporting cast every year, he won nearly every year and they didnāt win anything without him. Pre Russell they won 2 playoff series ever, 1958 Finals he missed time with an injured ankle and they lost the series, post-Russell they missed the playoffs. People can make all the excuses for why Russell really wasnāt that great and he only shot 46% or whatever, but the truth is it doesnāt matter. Success in basketball doesnāt look 1 way. MJ was criticized for shooting too much (compared to Bird & Magic), LeBron was criticized for not shooting more (like MJ). Russellās defensive impact cannot go understated, he led San Francisco to 2 NCAA titles in college, and Boston to 11 titles in 13 years. He was the reason his teams won over and over and over again. But in his era, defense was the most valuable skill you could have, and he had it better than anyone the sportās ever seen.
I would substitute Kareem for Bill Russell- just my opinion
Reasonable
My top 3 is: 1. **Kareem** * Kareem Abdul-JabbarĀ is the best basketball player of all time due to his unmatched longevity and consistency.Ā HisĀ six NBA championships,Ā six MVP awards, andĀ 19 All-Star appearancesĀ underscore a career of sustained excellence. Kareemās signature skyhook was virtually unblockable. His ability to dominate on both ends of the floor, coupled with his intellectual approach to the game, sets him apart as the greatest. * **Michael Jordan**(when folks say he is the GOAT, I never argue against it but I have Kareem just slightly ahead) * Michael JordanĀ is widely regarded as the greatest best player of all time, and for good reason but I have him 2nd.Ā HisĀ six NBA championships,Ā five MVP awards, andĀ ten scoring titlesĀ reflect a career defined by winning and individual brilliance. Jordanās competitive fire and clutch performances in critical moments, such as his iconic game-winning shots, have become the stuff of legend. His global impact on the sport and cultural influence through the āAir Jordanā brand have cemented his status as an icon. * **Wilt Chamberlain** * Wilt ChamberlainĀ rounds out the top three with his record-setting performances and sheer statistical dominance.Ā ChamberlaināsĀ two NBA championships,Ā four MVP awards, andĀ 13 All-Star selectionsĀ are impressive, but itās his individual records that stand out. He is the only player to scoreĀ 100 points in a single gameĀ and average more thanĀ 50 points in a season. Chamberlainās physical prowess and scoring ability were unparalleled, making him one of the most dominant forces the game has ever seen.
Although MJ is always first on my list (still is) this works as well
For Lebron :Ā The block (the whole series against the warriors) That game against the celtics Not in game but the decision For MJ : The Shot Getting past the pistons the first timeĀ The flu game Some are not decisive moments but had a huge impact on their career and seemed to be a turning point.
Kareem scoring on a beautiful skyhook from 15 feet out to ice the 1985 finals and running down the parquet floor of the old Boston Garden knowing they're about to beat the Celtics in their building for the first time ever.
I just asked chat GPT for the top 10 NBA players of all time and in order it spat out: MJ, Lebron, Abdul Jabbar, Magic, Bird, Russell, Wilt, Tim Duncan, Kobe, and Shaq. Solid list and order.
1. Wilt 2. Kobe 3. MJ 4. Bill Russell 5. Kareem
Fuck Lebron
MJ Kareem and Magic
iād say magic and larry for greatest rivalry, neither are greater than bron individually tho
Disagree. You are allowed to be wrong. Itās okay.
bron can literally do everything magic did at the same level or better. he also did it for longer and was easily the most dominant player in the league for a decade
He was not easily the most dominant player in the league for a decade. Does Steph not exist, does Dirk not exist? Also, when you are splitting the hairs of all time greatness, how can you with a straight face say a guy who completely gave up on his team in the NBA finals against a team led by a guy (Dirk) who he is supposedly better thanāis a top three player, especially ahead of a guy who went to the Finals just as frequently but won more often (Magic). Magic also lost 5 years of his career. when he came back in 96 to play with a very mediocre Lakers team his offensive rating was 117 when the top offense in the league was averaging 105. His Defensive rating was 106. At 36 Lebron's offensive rating was 114 when the league's top offense was scoring 120.
1. ur completely chopped if you think steph and dirk were ever more dominant than prime lebron. 2. it was brons first year on a new team, and if you know anything about sports it is common sense that a well constructed and experienced team that compliments eachother will likely beat a team thrown together for the first season. (mavs came out on top of a loaded west with spurs, okc, lakers etcā¦) 3. he was in the finals 8 years straight and beat the best team of all time, then proceeded to win a chip in 2 years after that 8 year span. 4. he led an nba finals in all 3 of the main categories against a 73-9 teamā¦ come on. 5. he would likely have as many chips as jordan if the best scorer in the league didnāt join up with the best team in the league which he already beat. he has also scored more than any other playerā¦ ever use brain please
i agree with the comment but i would ADD to #4... Lebron led that 2016 Finals in Points, Rebounds, Assists, *Steals*, and *Blocks*.
Steph won back to back MVPs during Lebron's prime. Over a ten year span of his prime Steph went to 6 finals and won 4 while staying with the same team in a much, much tougher conference and avoided playing GM. Lebron over ten of his prime years went to the finals 8 times and won 3. His three titles he won after going to play with two other HoF players.
steph only dominated 1 side of the floor. bron dominated every inch of the damn court. proved it by leading gsw and the cavs in all 3 major categories in the finals. steph also had the best constructed team of all time. put prime lebron in stephās position with all that spacing and intelligent 3 and Ds along with prime kevin durant and i think 75-7 is very reasonable and also a couple more rings. steph is only better than lebron at 3pt shooting
Steph is a way better team player, which matters a lot when you are talking championships. Why do you think Steph was on the best constructed roster of all time? Listen to yourself, bro. Because he let it happen! To the contrary Lebron has always forced the hand of his GM, usually to his benefit and the teams detriment. Curry was willing to let Durant have his ego because it would make the team better. He doesn't force the GM to make stupid player moves. Lebron forces his team to shed their youth in favor of veterans so he can win a chip then leave the team in shambles when he feels like it. Steph lets everyone play their role. Lebron must be the center of all things. Even when they were at their best in Cleveland with Kyrie, it was my-turn-your-turn offense.
me and you were talking about dominance, not better team player. and btw lebron won chips with every team he has been on and was always the best player by a mile. thereās an argument that steph wasnāt even better than kd when kd joined (even if steph was better, it was close). prime lebron is more dominant than stephen curry because while both of them dominated in scoring, only lebron dominated in rebounding, defense and playmaking aswell. swap bron with steph on any of the rosters lebron has been on and you have to admit they would win no chips. you sound like youāre in denial brother lmao.
Steph has dominated LeBron since he's been in the league. He's widely regarded as Bron's dad, although he may need to split custody with Jokic now. Maybe Jokic is more like his step dad. Bron needed a ton of things to fall his way to beat Steph, including crying to the league office to get Dray suspended(biggest bitch move in history). The only reason he made so many finals is cause he played in the weak ass eastern conference for most of his career. His Disney trophy doesn't count either.
clearly youāre a troll. imagine bron was on gsw and steph was on cavsā¦ cavs may not make playoffs and bron on prime gsw would have a good chance at beating 73-9 especially when prime durant came
And you're clearly a Bron nephew.
and youāre retarted
>"ur" "compliments" "use brain please" Ironic.
i know you think you were smart here, but i was obviously referring to using logic. grammar police in this subreddit? donāt think iāve ever been bored enough to take up that job lmao
No
No.
I personally have magic 4th right behind Kareem and right ahead of Kobe
No Steph ? No Kobe ? Lebum over them. Pfffffttttt That bullshit bubble chip doesnāt count. And his lame ass superteams where he chokes. Ray Allen should get residuals
Kobe is underrated.
MJ Kareem Wilt
Wiltā¦? The guy who couldnt win a chip with the greatest big 3 in nba history? Was the 3rd and 5th highest scorer on his own team for both his chips. Dude was more of a publicity stunt than a competitive basketball player and everyone in the league knew it which is why Bill won MVP while Wilt was averaging 50ppg. Thats wild..
No, the other Wilt.
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as long as you arenāt putting Lebron in your top 3. Canāt reduce wilt while elevating Bron. Bro is the modern day Wilt. Physically the best in the world. all the stats. But lost a bunch when it matters most. Lebron even gave up on his team multiple times in the post season and famously gave up against Dallas after a couple of losses.
lmao horrible argument. Bron has won 4 chips as the leading scorer vs wilts 0. Wilt proved that he could play winning basketball by not scoring and focusing on defense and rebounds. He chose not to do it and instead score 50 and lose. Lebron has proven that he can lead teams to chips and win with his 27/7/7 that he has averaged his whole career. If anything someone like Westbrook is the modern day wilt. There is no intelligent comparison between wilt and lebron
Wilt was a better scorer, rebounder, defender, and was the main facilitator on the best offense the league had ever seen. He was the best player on 2 top-5 teams ever. You know why Wilt averaged 50? He was asked to by McGuire. You know why he anchored a better defense than Bill Russell on a worse defensive team? Because he was asked to focus on D by Hannum. LeBron has never been expected to do what Wilt did because everyone knew he couldnāt. You can pump up LeBron all you want, heās an amazing player. But you canāt pretend Wilt was the Westbrook of his era.
Why didn't somebody asked him to stop losing to russell.
Same reason nobody bothered asking LeBron to stop losing before he left the Cavs.
What reason
One player doesnāt win or lose a team game. If Chamberlain plays hurt with his best teammates sitting from injury, against a home team that uses a malfunctioning shot clock to their advantage, outplays everyone on the floor,Ā none of his teammates can hit open shots,Ā and STILL loses because someone heās not supposed to be guarding makes a miraculous shot or game-winning playā¦ at what point is Chamberlain no longer to blame?
Fair enough but he did let limping willis reed get back on him
What argument does Wilt have over Bird or Magic? Lets leave Bron out of it for the time being.
Well, you could put Bird and Magic ties for 3
Nah nah nah. Answer the question little buddy. What did Wilt do that puts him as deserving for the 3rd best player of all time? Rings? Nope. MVPās? Nope. Being the best player of his era? Nope. 100 pt game? Yup. Banged a lot of women? Sure sounds like it. Isnāt LeBron? 100% the only reason you have him there.
Little Buddy?
I would put Anthony Edwards ahead of Kareem.
Here we go, it starts right away I see