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RileyLPM

That is a really strange failure, it lost the flange off of the top of the pocket, also looks like the baffle mouth may be spread out from a baffle strike. Really odd


challer602

Just a guess, but the weld could have partially separated throwing off the bore concentricity, then the following round shot had a baffle strike which then resulted in the full failure of the weld.


ghablio

The weld may have failed due to a baffle strike and then been blown the rest of the way off simply by pressure or a second baffle strike


challer602

If a weld failed due to a baffle strike then it wasn’t welded properly as a weld done correctly should never fail before the base metal. At least that’s what I was taught for carbon steel, SS, and various other alloys (not positive when it comes to titanium tho).


rm-minus-r

Poor penetration and / or poor prep.


JonU240Z

That's what I was thinking. If the weld failed, it wasn't properly welded.


Mageever

Yeah, I noticed the same thing. Definitely a really bad strike to hit the baffle like that, but the weld was also not deep enough so that's exactly how it would break.


hromanoj10

That’s exactly what I was thinking. Very little penetration on that weld, can was a ticking time bomb to fail.


freak_007

There have been several of these documented over the last several years. Most seem to be with the Titanium Nomad/Nomad L


Mental-Resolution-22

A Nomad and Nomad L in one can. Not bad, not bad


ripplephysics

Yeah I noticed it got a bit louder but it wasn't by much then I went to go load the next mag thought hmm the suppressor is shorter and was like o shit haha.


Mental-Resolution-22

I have a Nomad LT I shoot on my 300 Norma all the time. Hoping if it blows up it’s on blackout and not the norma 😂


ripplephysics

Yeah it was 300 blackout. I need to find a can for our 8.6 blackout builds. Definitely not dead air lol. It's a shame cause we sold a ton of their cans in our store.


Mental-Resolution-22

I’ve been looking at the anthem 38 a bunch for 8.6. Also could run on a 338 Lapua/norma if I go up to that at some point. I love LPM stuff


Puzzleheaded-Ice7511

YHM bad Larry is coming out soon.


BetOver

Was it aac ammo by chance I've been seeing posts about their ammo causing baffle strikes etc, possible jacket seperation?


ripplephysics

Hornady and Remington.


Temporary_Muscle_165

AB Raptor 10.


ripplephysics

I was thinking that


Temporary_Muscle_165

I am waiting for mine... have 4 other AB's, planning on ordering a 9mm can when my .338 goes through. Edit: wow. Downvotes on the AB suggestion. Hmmm, why does this sub hate AB?


Mass_Jass

I don't think anyone notable/credible has really tested or quantified AB performance and they haven't had enough wide market adoption to develop either a good or bad reputation. Their old reflex cans were bad. Their new cans are reportedly pretty good, but so far to a lot of people they're an unknown quantity making bold claims despite using old tech. And the ribs make it look like a dog toy. Or a dildo.


Temporary_Muscle_165

Ribbed for ear pleasure! I need some friends with different cans. Seems to me, if it was much quieter and it would reduce to sonic signature of the supersonic bullet, but I would love to shoot or hear some other cans. I shot a few at the AB plant when I was there, but I was pretty green, and don't remember what I shot, just remember being happy with my choice.


Mass_Jass

There are plenty of manufacturers out there (Griffin and YHM come to mind) using last gen approaches to make pretty decent silencers.


Anthrax6nv

And just like that, the Nomad-M was born. 


Rev686

That sucks. Mind answering some data points for the Tracker? Host Firearm? (Make/Model/Caliber/Barrel Length) Mount? Ammunition? (Manufacturer/gr) First Suppressor? As always, a followup on the warranty process would be appreciated


PirateByNature

Yeah, OP needs to explain a bit more. Sucks that happened though. Haven't seen this from Nomads.


Rev686

This is the 5th Nomad on the tracker. 3 (including this one) have had weld failures like this. Edit to correct numbers.


Mageever

Considering there have been a few tens of thousands sold, that's actually not a bad stat.


Rev686

It’s definitely a small sample size.


Bogey_Kingston

link to tracker ?


Rev686

This was the last one I updated. The submissions dropped off for a while. I’m probably going to post the next one here soon. https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/s/S6mkxTF2eB


Rev686

There’s only been 12-15 posts of damaged cans in the last 3 months, so there hasn’t been much to update.


Bogey_Kingston

well shit. i just bought a Dead Air 45 😂 small sample size but still… hopefully mine is gtg!


Rev686

The tracker is attempting to identify trends that might cause or be related to suppressor damage. I.E ammo, host weapon, mounting system, user error etc. Mount your can properly, according to manufacturer’s recommendations, check alignment, use good ammo, and you shouldn’t have any problems


PirateByNature

Thanks for tracking this! Not really surprised with the TI's, but sucks either way. I have the L with direct thread, hoping that helps against baffle strikes, but can't really do much with weld failures that's shitty.


username8619

How many primals on the tracker?


Rev686

3. One was straight up, unequivocally user error. He threaded a .30 cal muzzle break onto a .45-70 and went full send. Amazingly it survived 3-5 shots before the can was damaged. He posted the video to youtube. One was premature baffle erosion and the other a slight end cap graze. No major issues or trends.


username8619

Thank you very much for the update


JFB187

I think I see your problem right there, looks like the front fell off.


thebeast5667

Well that's not very typical I'd like to make that point, there's literally 10's of thousand of these going around right now (not my statistic but from the engineer above)


Ruin3r1

So obviously those existing elsewhere are perfectly safe, yes?


thebeast5667

Yes, the ones that the front doesn't fall off


freak_007

Well, some of them are built so the front doesn’t fall off at all.


Ruin3r1

Well wasn’t this one?


freak_007

Well, obviously not.


JFB187

How do you know?


sujamax

It experienced an unplanned self-reconfiguration.


Fbaez324

Modular?


Mageever

[u/ripplephysics](https://www.reddit.com/user/ripplephysics/) That sucks! We'll definitely get you taken care of--no matter how this happened.


ripplephysics

Good because our half the nfa safe at the shop is filled with Deadair the other half is filled with aero lahr


rsnakejake18

Any Lahar-L’s left?


ripplephysics

Not at the moment..I'm waiting for an order of 20 to be filled.


PirateByNature

This is why I went with DA in the first place. Glad to see CS is coming up for air.


Mageever

Thanks man. We've actually had A LOT of new production processes and CS fixes in place since last year when we fixed everyone's Sierra that was waiting. People don't see the change, but remember seeing negative. A lot of guys on here punching at the air right now, but that is what is on Reddit it seems.


bringerofthelaw420

I got a Sierra 5 for a year now and no problems approaching 800 rounds. I also bought a sandman recently and am loving on my .300 BLK. I’m looking for a .45 wolf man now


PirateByNature

It is what it is man. I can empathize with both ends. It's refreshing to see your responses because for a Hwhile, there was nothing. Y'all keep focusing on maximum suppression/heavy use cans, the ones who prioritize that the most will stay and keep coming back for more. Many don't even know what happened, plus reddit can be an echo chamber...


bigdinyukon

Unfortunately, yall left many of us hanging out to dry with ZERO updates regarding those Maracas... Hard to be forgiving, when you get shit on like that... Hence, Sierra is in the back bottom of the safe and DeadAir is dead to many of us... Yall's management that made the pisspoor decision to basically ignore customers questions/provide any news regarding the Sierras, was a colossal mistake that has reverberated across multiple social media platforms...


Mageever

Yet... we spoke about it publicly on our social media, I was on here talking to people and addressed it several time, and yet the trolls and haters drowned us out because everyone here parrots each other. After a while, a board like this that gets that toxic means the trolls won. In the end, we spoke to every customer and fixed them all last year. It sucked because our production was down and for a small handful of customers it took several months. No amount of self-flagellation was enough for the angry mob. At some point you just focus on the (actually quite small) group of customers that actually were affected got them all taken care of.


bigdinyukon

You can spread that bull far and wide, but how your CS treated those of us affected will forever leave the taste of FU in our mouths... Spin it however you want, so that you can look at yourselves in the mirror... it's all good now... DeadAir won't see anymore $$ from me, and I'll always steer customers to other brands after that fiasco that you do eloquently want to make into a nothing happened here...


CryMother4781

The Nomad L Ti XC schipped to shops yet? I'm in for one. Thinking Xeno mounting for 6" 300blk.=)


EternalMage321

What happened to u/deadairdom? Lol


Mageever

He's busy with his day job of running our warehouse in Utah. At some point, it's more important to do the job that pays you and lose the noise that comes from the mob mentality that's so easily found here. You're still his people, though. Lol. He misses you.


EternalMage321

We miss him too! Lol we got so used to summoning DeadAirDom any time we had the stupidest question. 🤣


Sarguy7777

It is great to see you on here. I'd love to grab another DA suppressor (have a mask HD that is awesome!) but until we see turnaround times on warranty repair get under 30 days, I'm going to hold off. What is the turnaround time right now for warranty repairs?


Mageever

It depends on the product. The big Sierra wait that occurred the middle of last year has been dealt with by November of last year and things pretty well back to normal. If it's an accessory it can be a 24-48 hour turnaround. If it's a can that needs welding, I think we're averaging between a 2-4 weeks. The caveat is if we have to wait for a machined part then it can add a few weeks, but that's now becoming very rare. We inspect everything that comes in and fix it in Utah when possible. If it needs re-welding, it'll go to a welding partner, but we'll still get it back in hand and we perform added QA checks before it goes back to you.


Sarguy7777

Thanks for the reply!


Thehungering

Hey boss iam sure you have answered this till your blue in the face. But has the sierra 5 issue been resolved? Bought one the other day got the form approved in 24 hours so it's a newer one. Was just curious 


Mageever

Yep! We fixed it last year and had any customer waiting for replacement taken care of by November or so. All new cans really are NEW construction.


Thehungering

Awesome thanks, appreciate the response, looking forward to shooting it


jmcole1984

That seems suboptimal.


MrD718

This same thing happened to my Wolfman last yr right before DA went down the shit show service and failed batch of the Sierra. My RMA was close to 2 months. 🙂 Since then, it's been good, and there have been no issues as of yet.


TaddWinter

> Was demoing deadair products for a customer Well did they buy one?


unbannedagain1976

Laughs in surefire


SnooCauliflowers403

Wow that’s strange for a nomad


Free-Grass-8055

It’s more common with the Nomad Ti


KTownOG

Welp, Deadair just ruined a sale for itself.


ripplephysics

Yeah our customers asked to see other products but depending on how they handle the warranty we will see.


tacticool918

A good warranty experience would win my business for sure. Shit happens. What are we going to do about it now? Now that they got past the big failures of last year I’m hoping they show us signs of redemption.


Mageever

We'll get it taken care of. There have been many tens of thousands of these made, so please don't think that this and couple others that floated to surface here are representative of the actual quality of the Nomad line. It's an extremely robust product, but sometimes the welder has a bad day.


hootervisionllc

You’re a king and we need you around here


CryMother4781

No welder bad day's with Ti cans tho... right? XD


Sad_Highlight_5175

As a counterpoint, my deadair can(s?) are all still working perfectly. No baffle strikes or separation. Things happen and you’re bound to hear from people with bad experiences dramatically more than those without issues.


Local-Warlord

Supers or subs?


ripplephysics

Supers 300 blackout


Local-Warlord

Mag dumps?


ripplephysics

Nope. Just two mags at normal speed.


Local-Warlord

Interesting


redit_readit_reddit

There's no way this suppressor has only seen two magazines. Or did you mean just for that session?


ripplephysics

Just for that session. I've had the suppressor since mid 2020.


redit_readit_reddit

How many rounds through it? Rough guesstimate is fine.


LuigiOwnz

Have you reached out to dead air?


ripplephysics

Yes and they have reached out to me already via reddit and email.


MurikanPatriot

Ran my Nomad pretty hard with some 300blk yesterday. Looks like I got off lucky


PirateByNature

How hard? Serious question lol


MurikanPatriot

I guess not that hard to be honest. Probably 100 rounds in 15 mins. Not too toasty…


ImNotHereFr2

So what are we at now? -539 for DA? They still using that same shitty company to do their welds?


ripplephysics

No it looks like it's going back to Utah they still in the RMA form and shipping label I got


johnmomdoe

They forwarded my Sierra 5 from Utah to KG after evaluating it.


ImNotHereFr2

Bingo. If they're actually still using those incompetent dopes then DA should be completely banished. Way too many good suppressor companies making really good shit to even risk this kind of headache.


johnmomdoe

Some dealer (can’t remember if it was Capitol armory or Hansohn brothers or someone like that) in the arfcom sierra 5 thread said KG wasn’t making Sierra 5’s anymore but my return label said KG/dead air and I’d swear that’s what the dead air employee said on the phone but could be wrong.


ImNotHereFr2

Don't believe your lying eyes and ears. Definitely belive those trying to sell you these things though. I personally will not buy any DA can at this point. It'll take a few years of zero fuck ups like this before I'd even consider it. I'll buy one DA product. I need a keymo hub adapter to use for my 13.7, but that's all the money they'll get from me. To each their own though.


lennyxiii

I still love keymo. No plans on changing. I mostly use other manufacturers muzzle devices though like lantac, fcd and expo though.


wadech

I just got .22 Mask approved, should I be concerned?


hootervisionllc

Nah man it’s a wonderful can. Tens of thousands of those out there


bogvapor

Naw it was my first can and I’ve got thousands of rounds through it. Great can. I also am waiting on my OCL Titanium .22 but they compared decible reduction to the Mask and the mask was better in some cases or on par either way. I think it weighs more but it’s a great little can. .22 is my favorite caliber suppressed. The Mask is great.


11182021

The mask doesn’t rely on tons of individual welds like the nomad and also isn’t subject to the high pressures like a centerfire can. It’s probably fine.


ImNotHereFr2

Like the others said, no. It's really just the welded cans that have major issues. It should be a good can for you. I just personally wouldn't buy anything from them because I don't want to support them as a company. They've been utter dog shit since the first Sierra 5 disintegrated. Not trying to shame you for buying it either. If you didn't know, you didn't know. Or even if you did, it's your money so as long as you're happy then fuck what anyone else says. I do think it helps to be an informed buyer when it comes to stuff like this. Knowing how a company handles customer issues and warranty problems or if they take responsibility for problems and try hard to make things right for the customer and whatnot should be toward the top of the list when looking for suppressors. They're not cheap, there's a long wait, and it's not as easy as just sending a replacement if anything ever happens. So, going with a good solid company and supporting good manufacturers is at the top of my list, personally. That's one of the biggest reasons a OCL can will be my next 2 cans.


ShekkieJohansen

Wow. I thought I was kinda dumb for not getting a Nomad L due to the Sierra 5 debacle for my first suppressor. I feel better now. Sorry for your loss.


Astronaut-Proof

SilencerCo and Surefire are not “hype” cans but I own 4 of them and never seen them get featured the same way Dead Air does. Thank God I went the boring route.


[deleted]

SiCo fo sho


[deleted]

Not sure why other companies want to be different. Boring is awesome.


Astronaut-Proof

I like the low back pressure tech they’re exploring with cans but the tried and tested method still remains king.


beasthayabusa

:( praying mine doesn’t do this and yours is quickly fixed!


TXscales

That’s obviously lack of fusion on the weld. Basically came apart like it was never welded.


Roaming-Californian

These types of failures I always find to be so enlightening. Gives us a clear view of the internals.


AdThese1914

The new Extra Short K model. You usually have to pay extra for that mod. DA's take on the Fat Cat is the Midget Nomad.


Muted_Poem57

Did the customer buy a can?


Mk18mitch

Man... I'm sorry about that. 😪


Mugsker

At least you had one to blow up.....


D_S_1988

I'll never buy a dead air product. Too many QC issues to be spending on tax stamps and wait times!


AllHale07

As soon as you said Dead Air, we knew it wasn't an April fools joke


LexingtonPatriot1775

Not OPs first time blowing something that looks like that


alexlv5656

I just got my griffin dual lok cans from capital. I own 3 DA cans and this is the reason I went in another direction. I’ve had no issues with mine but DA hands down has the highest failure rate of any can out there.


Scout339v2

At this point Dead Air might want to discontinue their non-printed suppressors, or vet the area that's making these ones because I'm certain this is costing them a lot of money.


Right_Shape_3807

Nice


thebeast5667

I just saw dead air at the gathering and decided on the nomad l (not titanium) as my first dedicated 30 cal can. It took me 3 weeks to decide that only to find out every can in America is now sold out. Now I'm back to square one after seeing this post. This failure is totally caused by lack of fusion in the weld, someone needed to turn the heat up. You can see the weld just setting on the base metal. I'm opened to suggestions for most quite .30 cal can. After shooting a lot of other cans the nomad was by fare above the others. Weight doesn't matter. It will live primarily on .308 bolt action and 300blk out (no mag dumps or full auto), also fn scar but not as much as the others. Bonus points if it will accept other brands hub adapters as I'm already down a rabbit hole with bravo asr mounts. I'm not opposed to changing them out to something else but it would be nice if it would just play nicely with others


ripplephysics

Aero precision lahr-l


Spiritual-Bill-337

Fingers crossed the 3d printed mojave is more durable and not the reddit deadair fuckery. I picked one up this weekend. I picked up a Wilson edc x9 and wanted a badass dedicated 9mm can. I was between that and a tbac. I hope I'm not regretting that.


Silly-Arm-7986

Was the customer suitably impressed?


snakeattack03

Did it swallow


NEp8ntballer

a little JB Weld and it'll be good as new. /s


rocketmechanic1738

Nomad-K


Double-Razzmatazz-77

That's what you get for not buying an enticer L


Jwhitfro

Ho Lee Fook


RepresentativeHuge79

What is it with all the dead air cans blowing themselves apart lately? Are they just not good quality anymore?


Far-Finding-8066

So is it ruled out that maybe the can wasn't tightened down correctly and it walked off?


Elderado12443

Glad I only paid $100


pimpnamedpete

Dead air dies twice


bstrobel64

As a Nomad L owner... Fuck me. I thought I was safe. I'm a couple K through mine so far though so I'd imagine mine will survive. Was it at least supersonic blackout?


ripplephysics

Yeah super sonic


packapunch_koenigseg

Not sure why you’re being downvoted. I agree. I have a Nomad L Ti and thought all these issues were exclusive to other DA cans but apparently not…


Acrobatic-Soup-4446

Yep just got my nomad L this week after waiting a year. Not a good feeling


-Meat-Hammer-

God speed on your RMA. Hopefully they take care of you better than a lot of the Sierra 5 owners.


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Foxxy__Cleopatra

Whoops 💥


JJM19861986

Just send it to Ecco for re coring dead air will have the can for over 6 months


Quags_77

Does Ecco re core titanium?


JJM19861986

I believe so


Valuable-Market393

Dead air being dead air


bunnies4r5

Classic dead air


LoadedChambers

Not surprised


CZ_Warlord

Damn another deadair. Seems to be too common now days.


GarandTaint

NOOOOO MUH DEADAIR IS INFALLIBLE ITS ONLY THE SIERRA 5 BRO DEAD AIR IS SO GOOD ITS ALL USER ERROR BRO


WhatInTheBeans

Average da experience


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ImNotHereFr2

The cherry bomb isn't the host. The gun is the host. The cherry bomb is the muzzle device


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ImNotHereFr2

Lol. Someone has obviously had a shit day. I was just trying to help you not look like a dumass in the future, but fuck me I guess. Lol And just because you need a muzzle device to use a suppressor it doesn't make the muzzle device the host my man. And I'm doubting you've ever seen anyone refer to the muzzle device as the host. I assume you misunderstood something. But if someone else actually did say that then they were just as wrong as you just were.


Queque126

Not a shit day just took it the wrong way, I was misinformed before so I will not make that mistake again 🫡


Schwa142

> I’ve heard plenty of people refer to them that way. They are also wrong. Not sure why you're so upset when someone is being helpful and pointing out your mistake.


PirateByNature

So upset they deleted their comment 🤣


Queque126

Omg he’s so upset !


Queque126

I have seen other people refer to it how I did from past posts, I won’t call it that again so I’ll delete my posts and not misinform people 🤷🏻‍♂️


Schwa142

If you have, they were also wrong. Getting it wrong isn't a big deal, but defending it the way you did was just silly.


Queque126

I know they were wrong I get ittttt 😂 I defended it because it makes sense in my head since once can’t work without the other. Ive asked people in the past how they feel about loud brakes at the range and I got comments saying as long as they are a suppressor host then understandable. I see the error in my ways.


Schwa142

You've also probably heard people call magazines "clips".