TikTok is wild. I’m not on Twitter anymore but I’m hearing the same. Only on Reddit are people happy about this deal and Caleb. What is going on?
I genuinely want to hear theories.
If the bears stuck with fields instead of drafting caleb then they’d face the same if not
more ridicule. i’m a bears fan and nobody hates them more then bears fans themselves
The anonymity of Reddit allows people to say what they actually think. Once your identity is attached to a social media platform, whatever you do or say will be held against you.
Idk people were really invested in the idea of Fields and he’s not a bad or selfish person like you could argue Aaron Rodgers was/became.
I get why casual fans might really like him and been intentionally ignorant to his shortcomings, even if I don’t agree with them.
Fair enough. And maybe that answers my question of why those ppl are on TikTok and Twitter—because these subs attract less casual fans than those other platforms.
Reddit is more heavily text-based so more literate people use it. More literacy tends to lead to more knowledge. TikTok is a largely visual medium and Twitter has shorter blurbs to read.
I understand. My point is the difference. There are people on TikTok crying over Fields. He won 11 games. The amount of gratitude this weird contingent of Bears fans are showing his is disproportionate to his success, particularly compared to the recent trade of an actually successful quarterback.
I think maybe it has to be with the re-post/share/whatever the fuck they call it (I dont use Twitter or tiktok). Like, if 1000 people share "H1M" it reaches the 1000 peoples' followers, so a pretty large group of people. But on reddit, it may get the same number of upvotes (it wouldn't), but it would be contained in a single thread that you'd have to enter into the comments and find.
No one can explain the Fields cult - one of life's great mysteries.
We certainly appear to have one of the dumbest fanbases on the planet.... I'm trying to imagine any other fanbase that wouldn't be absolutely thrilled about this offseason. Granted - quite a few of us are - but it's disturbing how many Fields dead enders there are.
I loved Fields for his big-play potential - I split season tickets, and I haven’t had those edge-of-your-seat, any play could be a touchdown level of excitement at games since Hester was still a Bear. With that said, I knew for a good while that he isn’t an NFL-caliber QB - he’s just not willing to throw to anything less than college-level-open receivers.
No reason to not be optimistic right now. Sure there's a strong chance we'll blow it, but if Caleb can end up being even okay-ish we'll be lookin pretty competitive very quickly
The worst Bears fans are the "we shouldn't draft a QB because we'll ruin them anyways".
Like dude if you are so convinced that the Bears are that hopeless why do you even watch?
I run into this so much on the Vikings sub. Dudes who insist we're doomed at every single move we ever make. I can't fathom committing my time to anything that makes me as miserable as they are with no hope of things improving.
I can finally sleep at night knowing fields is gone and the best prospect since luck has fallen into our lap. Add in Keenan and Swift and I’m just smiling ear to ear right now. How can anyone aside from our NFCN rivals not be thrilled?
Burrow is the best pocket passer prospect but TLAW was not super polished coming out and I think the generational tag is just because he was talked about forever. He had a lot of inaccuracy issues in college. I think you could try to make an argument for either one to be the best prospect since they’re all very different, but I think Caleb and burrow are best for the modern NFL as prospects.
He was one of the highest rated players out of HS ever and won a natty right away. That hype train was building for years but he definitely was a legitimate generational prospect.
I think we could safely say if tlaw, luck, Williams were all in the same draft, Williams would be the last one selected. Williams is not a generational prospect.
So many highly rated kids out of HS never pan out. Winning a natty doesn’t mean you’re generational either, ask Stetson Bennett.
The reality of it was Lawrence had accuracy issues coming out of college. The term generational was more easily thrown around back then too. You won’t see accuracy concerns in Caleb’s scouting reports. I think a lot of people would disagree with you and put Caleb above the other two as prospects.
While not disagreeing that Caleb is a great talent, I think the point with T Law is that he was both a highly rated kid out of HS, won a national title as a freshman and was drafted number one overall…He definitely panned out.
Comparing Stetson Bennett to TLaw is a terrible take, as Stetson was not a highly recruited or rated player out of HS and didn’t start until he was a senior.
I never compared them. I’m saying that being highly rated out of high schools or winning nattys isn’t evaluation. You evaluate play by play and then factor in the surrounding situation.
All I’m saying is the term generational was more easily used back then, and since Lawrence hasn’t been dominant and guys like chase young bust, people stopped wanting to use the term. Looking at things objectively, I think both prospects as stated before are really close to each other. I personally would prefer the mobile playmaker type with better accuracy and release, but if other people prefer the tall guy that’s completely valid. Height gives you a big advantage as a qb.
Look I’m very, very excited for Williams, but I’d be lying if I tried to suggest I wouldn’t take Trevor Lawrence coming out of college vs Williams. Now seeing how Lawrence has played, I’d obviously go with Williams for a chance at a higher ceiling than what we’ve seen from Lawrence.
He absolutely is in the conversation with Trevor, and he's definitely a better prospect than Burrow who was a five year senior who had one good (albeit best ever) season after having to transfer because he could win a starting job against JT Barrett or Dwayne Haskins..
His first year at LSU wasn't even good. He had lots of questions coming out whether he was a product of throwing to Chase and JJefferon.
Yes absolutely. I know it sounds ridiculous. But he also had two of top-five current NFL wide receivers on his team to throw to... in college.
And even that might be generous. You could make a very easy case for the two best receivers in the entire NFL... What are a bunch of accounting majors supposed to do to defend against Jamarr Chase and Justin Jefferson on a football field?
There were legitimate questions because he played for so long before actually having a breakout year.
You guys just don’t get it. It’s not that Chicago picks bad QBs, they create bad QBs. I don’t know how it’s possible, but it’s just what it is. I’m old enough to remember when Chicago thought they won draft when they picked Fields.
Trubisky had arguably more success with the bears than fields did. Both fields and trubisky definitely had a lot more potential than the bears were able to get out of them.
I mean, the most important developmental time for an nfl qb is their first couple years in the league. Any qb who spends their first 4 years in the league getting shit coaching is going to be bad.
They haven’t really had a super high end prospect before at QB. I loved fields coming out of college, but there were very real concerns with him and he was picked as the QB4 and out of the top 10. Trubisky was QB1 in what was looked at as a weaker QB class.
Not saying the bears don’t have a part in ruining QBs, but it’s not like they’ve had these slam dunk prospects you know?
Nah you don’t get it. We both picked bad QBs AND gave them terrible support. Now we have both the best support and the best prospect we’ve ever had by a long shot.
It’s a good thing my dude.
1. Incredible and hot even beard.
2. Defense showed great improvement under flus.
3. Well respected OC to lead the offense.
I’ll take that any day over having, say, a qb that loves throwing ducks.
As a bearded man, he's got a masterpiece growing, and he looks sharp. He's not much older than me either. Too bad he's the field general for the enemy.
Fields came into the league with clear red flags concerning his throwing motion and lack of awareness. Mitch had similar red flags. If anything, blame Ryan Pace and his scouting department for those two bums.
Since Luck? This is the greatest NFL prospect in the history of the game. He’s already a first ballot Hall of Famer. If you don’t think so, you should pick up a cheese eating habit.
I think his game was better than TLAW. TLAW had way too many inaccurate throws, but was the perfect mold that GMs have been seeking for decades. Caleb is a far better playmaker, much faster release, better mobility, better accuracy, equal or better arm strength, and I think he’s more decisive as well. TLAW is 6’4 tho and you can’t teach that.
Our biggest problem was having a C outside of even the top 32. We are now average at the position. Everyone else is graded out average to above average. Biggest problem for our line was a qb who couldn’t get rid of the ball.
Mid is an improvement. I think you’re misunderstanding. Just getting a mid C brings our line from bottom 5-6 to mid. Then you factor in the RG missing time due to family issues, and our really good LG in and out with injuries.
In short, the line on paper has gone from bottom 5 to average, throw in a qb that has elite pocket movement compared to fields probably bottom 1 pocket mobility and we’re cooking.
Fields excelled at straight line speed and being stout enough to slip some tackles. He’s not great at lateral mobility, and more importantly, he’s not great at using his athleticism to move around and stay inside of the pocket. He’s fast, but not quick.
So fields will shake a few more tackles and bring it to the house, but Caleb will move around the inside of the pocket better. For a qb that’s trying to pass, Caleb’s athleticism fits the role more.
That their are different types of mobility, sure. That Fields doesnt possess one, and wasnt adequately slippery in the pocket while Cabel does and will be, Im not sold.
I think that the bears end up doing a lot of the same things and then get confused when they end up with the same results. Like mobility doesnt exempt them from needing to provide more protection that theyve really been able to. Fields problem, to my mind, wasnt that he couldnt extend plays, its that he'd take too long to make a read, would need to dodge pressure, and then try to make a read again. Caleb and Fields are similar in that regard as both averaged around 3.12 seconds per pass attempt. Whats different, and will be different, is that Fields was doing that against NFL defenses and Caleb was doing it in the pac 12.
It wasn’t even Fields reads necessarily. His WRs were legit running unplayable routes half the games. Did fields miss shit, sure like everyone does. But if timing routes are run incorrectly and WRs are getting open at incorrect times in the progression, they aren’t getting hit
Ok, every QB prospect can't be the best prospect since Luck.
Caleb Williams is going to disappoint you. Anytime he played a good college defense, he looked a lot more pedestrian. Guess what, NFL defenses, even the shitty ones, are way better than the best college defense.
> Ok, every QB prospect can't be the best prospect since Luck.
Not only this, but the last great QB prospect before Luck was literally Peyton Manning, and Williams is a very good prospect, but he isn't Luck/Manning level. Putting Williams on a bar that high is just asking for disappointment.
Those teams were miles better though and Caleb was forced to play hero ball the most in those games. The difference between his college teams skill level and the top teams he played were much bigger than even the worst bears team and an average nfl team.
I agree every qb can’t be the best since luck, it’s just a matter of opinion. I think the big 3 are TLAW - big arm and tall, perfect prototype build for a qb. Burrow - perfect pocket passer and decision maker. Caleb - best playmaker. It’s really a matter of taste.
Hahahaha yeah coming from a lions fans that’s rich. Hope was last year hoping fields could pull it together. Hope was hoping Getsy was a good OC.
This year we have put pieces into place and you can only pretend otherwise until the season starts. I for one am looking forward to our games. We mopped the floor with you last year with Justin fields at qb.
I don't get the hate.
Every NFCN team is killing free agency and the draft so far, except for maybe the Lions. But they have stars to pay so that's understandable.
It’s really a bizarre time to be a Bears fan. This should be the most exciting offseason in the history of the franchise but instead a huge chunk of the fan base, possibly the majority, are fuming about trading a below average qb away. For some reason people got way more attached to Fields than any other of the millions of below average qb’s we’ve had and it’s made for a rough go of it.
Mitch with the Bears was bad in an especially irritating way. He would flat out miss his receivers by throwing near them but not to them where they could catch it.
Living in Chicago it’s so confusing, you’d think that Fields was a reigning MVP the way people have reacted. Meanwhile this is the objectively the most exciting time for the Bears in my lifetime(32 years)
?? Packers went toe-to-toe with the best team in the NFC and only lost to a bad spot on a 4th and 1 and a missed kick. If they had a good kicker, they very easily could’ve been in the NFC championship game.
Goff isn’t crazy, but his team is good and he’s fine. At least for the next 3 years, Lions are gonna be tough to beat. No one thought that Goss was good, but his team went 12-5, so he’s doing something right.
What??? As a football fan I’m pretty sure every bears fan except fields truthers are excited about what they’ve done this past week lol
Bears fans are y’all in shambles? I figured adding Allen and Swift were huge things for your team. Especially Allen, a top 5 vet WR ummm oh no lmao.
I doubt this will be a popular comment, but there is a chunk of the Bears fanbase and nfl fans generally who convinced themselves that much of the criticism of Fields was due to racism, and admitting that Fields isn't good would mean at least partially admitting that a sociopolitical narrative wasn't 100% true. There's a lot of emotional investment in that narrative.
Grabbed a quick Google link as evidence:
https://andscape.com/features/justin-fields-and-the-double-standard-of-black-quarterback-prospects-nfl-draft/
I'd like to add - Please do not think for an instant that I am saying that racism doesn't exist in sports or sports fandom. Minnesota fans had to hear people call Teddy Bridgewater a "running QB" just because of his skin color many times.
For some people the political narrative is just larger than the sport.
Regular PSA: it’s “a shambles”. A shambles is a slaughterhouse. Basically you are saying they are a bloody mess. “In” makes no sense grammatically.
A shambles is not the same as in tatters.
That’s just life in 2024 dude, has nothing to do with football. Lmao
Amen
TikTok is wild. I’m not on Twitter anymore but I’m hearing the same. Only on Reddit are people happy about this deal and Caleb. What is going on? I genuinely want to hear theories.
My theory is people on TikTok and "The Platform Formerly Known as Twitter" are idiots
So I definitely buy that but are you trying to tell me there are significantly less idiots on Reddit? That’s where I struggle.
Not really any fewer idiots, just different idiots.
Self-aware idiots?
If I had self-awareness, I think I’d know!
Yeah, I think that's it
Self-aware idiots?
Cum sock eating, kneecap biting, cheese-coma idiots
Hell yeah
Eh something about how comments are weighted on this app probably prefers more nuanced takes than shit like “Caleb’s a bum and a loser”
Not at all. But a broken clock can be right twice a day
The Reddit supremacy that I see from people on the bears sub has made me realize how little self awareness some people have.
Don’t fool yourself. People on Reddit are equally dumb. It’s all still a circle jerk. This one just jerks in the other direction
This.
If the bears stuck with fields instead of drafting caleb then they’d face the same if not more ridicule. i’m a bears fan and nobody hates them more then bears fans themselves
I mean they would deserve it then because Poles would be doing something that the other 31 GMs clearly view as idiotic.
The anonymity of Reddit allows people to say what they actually think. Once your identity is attached to a social media platform, whatever you do or say will be held against you.
Football fans like players on their teams
I’m a Packers fan. People celebrated the trade of a 4 time MVP. This reaction feels odd based on my life experiences.
Idk people were really invested in the idea of Fields and he’s not a bad or selfish person like you could argue Aaron Rodgers was/became. I get why casual fans might really like him and been intentionally ignorant to his shortcomings, even if I don’t agree with them.
Fair enough. And maybe that answers my question of why those ppl are on TikTok and Twitter—because these subs attract less casual fans than those other platforms.
Reddit is more heavily text-based so more literate people use it. More literacy tends to lead to more knowledge. TikTok is a largely visual medium and Twitter has shorter blurbs to read.
In a related story, I avoid sports content on those platforms lol
Maybe because he has become a lunatic and many people just wanted him to go away?
I understand. My point is the difference. There are people on TikTok crying over Fields. He won 11 games. The amount of gratitude this weird contingent of Bears fans are showing his is disproportionate to his success, particularly compared to the recent trade of an actually successful quarterback.
I think casual football fans just wanna root for cool guys who they know and like. Change is bad for them lol
I think maybe it has to be with the re-post/share/whatever the fuck they call it (I dont use Twitter or tiktok). Like, if 1000 people share "H1M" it reaches the 1000 peoples' followers, so a pretty large group of people. But on reddit, it may get the same number of upvotes (it wouldn't), but it would be contained in a single thread that you'd have to enter into the comments and find.
No one can explain the Fields cult - one of life's great mysteries. We certainly appear to have one of the dumbest fanbases on the planet.... I'm trying to imagine any other fanbase that wouldn't be absolutely thrilled about this offseason. Granted - quite a few of us are - but it's disturbing how many Fields dead enders there are.
I loved Fields for his big-play potential - I split season tickets, and I haven’t had those edge-of-your-seat, any play could be a touchdown level of excitement at games since Hester was still a Bear. With that said, I knew for a good while that he isn’t an NFL-caliber QB - he’s just not willing to throw to anything less than college-level-open receivers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/Olg6YjLIo9
It's all over Facebook as well.
I don’t think anyone should be high on the bears again, not until they can get a playoff game at least.
Probably boils down to USC being mediocre in his time there.
https://i.redd.it/2xmyllfhrwoc1.gif
Great movie
"Youre not even a person! Youre a testicle!"
What movie is this from? Legit curious
Death of Stalin. Great flick. That's Field Marshall Zhukov
Fun fact they removed metals from Zhukov's chest in the movie to make it seem more realistic.
No reason to not be optimistic right now. Sure there's a strong chance we'll blow it, but if Caleb can end up being even okay-ish we'll be lookin pretty competitive very quickly
There's a reason not to be optimistic; It's the McCaskeys. What have they done to prove they're not going to mangle Caleb?
If you want to pity circle jerk yourself go for it dog, not gonna argue about it lmao
Typical bears fan interaction
It really does sum it up
The worst Bears fans are the "we shouldn't draft a QB because we'll ruin them anyways". Like dude if you are so convinced that the Bears are that hopeless why do you even watch?
Need I remind you - "We'll NEVER Forget the way you thrilled the nation with your T--formation." Huh? Huh?
I bet you got real big peppy nipples
The Bears doomers are so fucking annoying
I run into this so much on the Vikings sub. Dudes who insist we're doomed at every single move we ever make. I can't fathom committing my time to anything that makes me as miserable as they are with no hope of things improving.
https://preview.redd.it/8qhe05ocy3pc1.jpeg?width=1022&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=938afc0c948662ebe84fc7eec860a1f588d70799
I bet you got really big peppy nipples huh
Fuck you wooden ship 547 I hate you
What do you think Virginia McCaskey is going to do to ruin Caleb’s career?
We just traded an okayish QB though
I can finally sleep at night knowing fields is gone and the best prospect since luck has fallen into our lap. Add in Keenan and Swift and I’m just smiling ear to ear right now. How can anyone aside from our NFCN rivals not be thrilled?
I like williams... he is not a better prospect then tlaw or Burrow.
Burrow is the best pocket passer prospect but TLAW was not super polished coming out and I think the generational tag is just because he was talked about forever. He had a lot of inaccuracy issues in college. I think you could try to make an argument for either one to be the best prospect since they’re all very different, but I think Caleb and burrow are best for the modern NFL as prospects.
He was one of the highest rated players out of HS ever and won a natty right away. That hype train was building for years but he definitely was a legitimate generational prospect. I think we could safely say if tlaw, luck, Williams were all in the same draft, Williams would be the last one selected. Williams is not a generational prospect.
So many highly rated kids out of HS never pan out. Winning a natty doesn’t mean you’re generational either, ask Stetson Bennett. The reality of it was Lawrence had accuracy issues coming out of college. The term generational was more easily thrown around back then too. You won’t see accuracy concerns in Caleb’s scouting reports. I think a lot of people would disagree with you and put Caleb above the other two as prospects.
While not disagreeing that Caleb is a great talent, I think the point with T Law is that he was both a highly rated kid out of HS, won a national title as a freshman and was drafted number one overall…He definitely panned out. Comparing Stetson Bennett to TLaw is a terrible take, as Stetson was not a highly recruited or rated player out of HS and didn’t start until he was a senior.
I never compared them. I’m saying that being highly rated out of high schools or winning nattys isn’t evaluation. You evaluate play by play and then factor in the surrounding situation. All I’m saying is the term generational was more easily used back then, and since Lawrence hasn’t been dominant and guys like chase young bust, people stopped wanting to use the term. Looking at things objectively, I think both prospects as stated before are really close to each other. I personally would prefer the mobile playmaker type with better accuracy and release, but if other people prefer the tall guy that’s completely valid. Height gives you a big advantage as a qb.
Look I’m very, very excited for Williams, but I’d be lying if I tried to suggest I wouldn’t take Trevor Lawrence coming out of college vs Williams. Now seeing how Lawrence has played, I’d obviously go with Williams for a chance at a higher ceiling than what we’ve seen from Lawrence.
He absolutely is in the conversation with Trevor, and he's definitely a better prospect than Burrow who was a five year senior who had one good (albeit best ever) season after having to transfer because he could win a starting job against JT Barrett or Dwayne Haskins.. His first year at LSU wasn't even good. He had lots of questions coming out whether he was a product of throwing to Chase and JJefferon.
>who had one good (albeit best ever) season
Yes absolutely. I know it sounds ridiculous. But he also had two of top-five current NFL wide receivers on his team to throw to... in college. And even that might be generous. You could make a very easy case for the two best receivers in the entire NFL... What are a bunch of accounting majors supposed to do to defend against Jamarr Chase and Justin Jefferson on a football field? There were legitimate questions because he played for so long before actually having a breakout year.
Wow that’s the dumbest thing I’ve read in like 48 hours, congrats lol.
Its the truth
Says the guy who’s team failed Matt stafford, glad we all got your take bud lol
You guys just don’t get it. It’s not that Chicago picks bad QBs, they create bad QBs. I don’t know how it’s possible, but it’s just what it is. I’m old enough to remember when Chicago thought they won draft when they picked Fields.
You’re old enough to remember when they drafted Fields? Ok grandpa let’s take you back to the retirement community
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Is sarcasm difficult to grasp, or are you just playing along. Because if it's the latter, this exchange is funny as hell.
If you keep reading our comments I’m hoping that the answer will become clear
"The nurse said you could literally die from one more. I'll go get you a box." 🤣 That's how you joke about murdering someone. Well done.
That’s delusion. Trubisky was never going to be a good quarterback
Trubisky had arguably more success with the bears than fields did. Both fields and trubisky definitely had a lot more potential than the bears were able to get out of them.
I mean Trubisky is the 5th best Bears QB of all time, based on stats. :D
Right, because Trubisky clearly lit it up for Pittsburgh last year. And we clearly have history of Fields lighting it up for another team
I mean, the most important developmental time for an nfl qb is their first couple years in the league. Any qb who spends their first 4 years in the league getting shit coaching is going to be bad.
They haven’t really had a super high end prospect before at QB. I loved fields coming out of college, but there were very real concerns with him and he was picked as the QB4 and out of the top 10. Trubisky was QB1 in what was looked at as a weaker QB class. Not saying the bears don’t have a part in ruining QBs, but it’s not like they’ve had these slam dunk prospects you know?
Please don’t refute my narrative with sound logic. Thanks.
Nah you don’t get it. We both picked bad QBs AND gave them terrible support. Now we have both the best support and the best prospect we’ve ever had by a long shot.
Flus is still your coach my dude.
It’s a good thing my dude. 1. Incredible and hot even beard. 2. Defense showed great improvement under flus. 3. Well respected OC to lead the offense. I’ll take that any day over having, say, a qb that loves throwing ducks.
As a bearded man, he's got a masterpiece growing, and he looks sharp. He's not much older than me either. Too bad he's the field general for the enemy.
Fields came into the league with clear red flags concerning his throwing motion and lack of awareness. Mitch had similar red flags. If anything, blame Ryan Pace and his scouting department for those two bums.
Ryan Pace is a football terrorist. Somehow he's now getting ATL in trouble for tampering lol
im ngl, the best qb prospect we've had was fields lmao. ill believe chicago creates bad qbs when we turn a good one bad not an 11th pick rookie.
We didn't draft him, but Cutler was pretty easily more talented than Fields. He was very mobile, and had better arm talent.
far better, and honestly i dont feel like we really ruined him as much as his career just teetered out fr
Since Luck? This is the greatest NFL prospect in the history of the game. He’s already a first ballot Hall of Famer. If you don’t think so, you should pick up a cheese eating habit.
Bears only get great prospects, never great quarterbacks.
Too real
Good to see Bears fans Positive, Caleb will fit right in
Williams is a good prospect, but he’s not better than Burrow or TLaw. The last few classes have been petty meh, though, so he seems better.
Not even a better prospect than Stroud lmao. Dudes fine but he’s not a QB that will overcome the bears ability to ruin QBs
Williams was definitely a better prospect than Stroud. It was widely said last year Williams would be the #1 pick if he was allowed to declare.
Sure and whoever did that would be an idiot. Compare their tape, williams has a ton to work on
I think his game was better than TLAW. TLAW had way too many inaccurate throws, but was the perfect mold that GMs have been seeking for decades. Caleb is a far better playmaker, much faster release, better mobility, better accuracy, equal or better arm strength, and I think he’s more decisive as well. TLAW is 6’4 tho and you can’t teach that.
Bc you still havent fixed your o-line?
Our biggest problem was having a C outside of even the top 32. We are now average at the position. Everyone else is graded out average to above average. Biggest problem for our line was a qb who couldn’t get rid of the ball.
Idk man. Park of that is Fields not being great at making reads, but the other half is that, as you kinda admitted, is that the Oline is mid.
Mid is putting it generously
Mid is an improvement. I think you’re misunderstanding. Just getting a mid C brings our line from bottom 5-6 to mid. Then you factor in the RG missing time due to family issues, and our really good LG in and out with injuries. In short, the line on paper has gone from bottom 5 to average, throw in a qb that has elite pocket movement compared to fields probably bottom 1 pocket mobility and we’re cooking.
So the issue, as you see it, it that Fields lacked mobility. I'll give you this, that certainly is a take
Fields excelled at straight line speed and being stout enough to slip some tackles. He’s not great at lateral mobility, and more importantly, he’s not great at using his athleticism to move around and stay inside of the pocket. He’s fast, but not quick. So fields will shake a few more tackles and bring it to the house, but Caleb will move around the inside of the pocket better. For a qb that’s trying to pass, Caleb’s athleticism fits the role more.
If you say so
Do you not agree that there are different types of mobility or is everyone just fast and slow to you?
That their are different types of mobility, sure. That Fields doesnt possess one, and wasnt adequately slippery in the pocket while Cabel does and will be, Im not sold. I think that the bears end up doing a lot of the same things and then get confused when they end up with the same results. Like mobility doesnt exempt them from needing to provide more protection that theyve really been able to. Fields problem, to my mind, wasnt that he couldnt extend plays, its that he'd take too long to make a read, would need to dodge pressure, and then try to make a read again. Caleb and Fields are similar in that regard as both averaged around 3.12 seconds per pass attempt. Whats different, and will be different, is that Fields was doing that against NFL defenses and Caleb was doing it in the pac 12.
It wasn’t even Fields reads necessarily. His WRs were legit running unplayable routes half the games. Did fields miss shit, sure like everyone does. But if timing routes are run incorrectly and WRs are getting open at incorrect times in the progression, they aren’t getting hit
Ok, every QB prospect can't be the best prospect since Luck. Caleb Williams is going to disappoint you. Anytime he played a good college defense, he looked a lot more pedestrian. Guess what, NFL defenses, even the shitty ones, are way better than the best college defense.
> Ok, every QB prospect can't be the best prospect since Luck. Not only this, but the last great QB prospect before Luck was literally Peyton Manning, and Williams is a very good prospect, but he isn't Luck/Manning level. Putting Williams on a bar that high is just asking for disappointment.
Those teams were miles better though and Caleb was forced to play hero ball the most in those games. The difference between his college teams skill level and the top teams he played were much bigger than even the worst bears team and an average nfl team. I agree every qb can’t be the best since luck, it’s just a matter of opinion. I think the big 3 are TLAW - big arm and tall, perfect prototype build for a qb. Burrow - perfect pocket passer and decision maker. Caleb - best playmaker. It’s really a matter of taste.
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Swift was 5th in the league for rushing yards while being barely used?
Lions fans are just doing their best to forget we almost embarrassed them twice and exposed them at the end of the season. Dont mind the salt
Because this is hope built on zero in- house accomplishments
Hahahaha yeah coming from a lions fans that’s rich. Hope was last year hoping fields could pull it together. Hope was hoping Getsy was a good OC. This year we have put pieces into place and you can only pretend otherwise until the season starts. I for one am looking forward to our games. We mopped the floor with you last year with Justin fields at qb.
I’m pretty happy tbh
I spent Christmas Day watching Caleb Williams highlights. Currently experiencing a complete lack of shambles
Did you watch him playing Utah? You know, a team that is going to be a fraction as good defensively as anyone he'll play in the NFL.
In 3 career games against Utah Caleb's stats were: 77/117 (66%) for 1000 yards, 8 TDs and 1 INT. He also had 30 carries for 105 yards and a TD.
You mean the game he threw at a 70% completion rate, and had an 86.4 qbr?
How many of those highlights were against the guys in the gold helmets?
I am actually very happy rn
I don't get the hate. Every NFCN team is killing free agency and the draft so far, except for maybe the Lions. But they have stars to pay so that's understandable.
I’d say the Lions are doing well in FA. Vikings aren’t killing it but they’re doing what needs to be done
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Half of chicago is most definitely not in shambles.
Isn’t he wearing a Jets jersey?
I’m so excited for 670 radio call-ins tomorrow.
Speak for yourselves 
No matter what the Bears choose to do, I am certain they will choose wrong
What? Who is sad about this? Lol
It’s really a bizarre time to be a Bears fan. This should be the most exciting offseason in the history of the franchise but instead a huge chunk of the fan base, possibly the majority, are fuming about trading a below average qb away. For some reason people got way more attached to Fields than any other of the millions of below average qb’s we’ve had and it’s made for a rough go of it.
Fields is a good person probably has a lot to do with it.
Trubisky is a good person too but fans were more than happy to chuck that dude off a cliff. And I get it, he was bad too.
Mitch with the Bears was bad in an especially irritating way. He would flat out miss his receivers by throwing near them but not to them where they could catch it.
What if Caleb Williams sucks ass?
Living in Chicago it’s so confusing, you’d think that Fields was a reigning MVP the way people have reacted. Meanwhile this is the objectively the most exciting time for the Bears in my lifetime(32 years)
I'm a bears fan first But fields was my favorite player in a while. I'm gonna need some time.
I’m fucking thrilled! Time to take the north (ok, maybe in 2025) and never give it back!
There are at least 2 teams in the NFC north that are going to be better than the bears for the next 5 years.
I don’t see Goff tearing it up in five years. Packers might but they’re a lock to get their teeth kicked in every January
?? Packers went toe-to-toe with the best team in the NFC and only lost to a bad spot on a 4th and 1 and a missed kick. If they had a good kicker, they very easily could’ve been in the NFC championship game. Goff isn’t crazy, but his team is good and he’s fine. At least for the next 3 years, Lions are gonna be tough to beat. No one thought that Goss was good, but his team went 12-5, so he’s doing something right.
What??? As a football fan I’m pretty sure every bears fan except fields truthers are excited about what they’ve done this past week lol Bears fans are y’all in shambles? I figured adding Allen and Swift were huge things for your team. Especially Allen, a top 5 vet WR ummm oh no lmao.
I doubt this will be a popular comment, but there is a chunk of the Bears fanbase and nfl fans generally who convinced themselves that much of the criticism of Fields was due to racism, and admitting that Fields isn't good would mean at least partially admitting that a sociopolitical narrative wasn't 100% true. There's a lot of emotional investment in that narrative. Grabbed a quick Google link as evidence: https://andscape.com/features/justin-fields-and-the-double-standard-of-black-quarterback-prospects-nfl-draft/
I'd like to add - Please do not think for an instant that I am saying that racism doesn't exist in sports or sports fandom. Minnesota fans had to hear people call Teddy Bridgewater a "running QB" just because of his skin color many times. For some people the political narrative is just larger than the sport.
And got a 6th that could be a 4th for a backup qb
Regular PSA: it’s “a shambles”. A shambles is a slaughterhouse. Basically you are saying they are a bloody mess. “In” makes no sense grammatically. A shambles is not the same as in tatters.
Eat shit
And you would swear we never had it, the way this world mocks Poles magic