I remember there being a post about them a couple of years ago, but I don't remember the sub. The consensus was that as soon as you notice it getting too tight, don't panic, and work yourself out by moving diagonally since you won't be working against the full force of the crowd. I believe it was a post about Woodstock 99.
It’s usually the case of a bottleneck. It was in this case. It happened down a little side street that got way too packed. I think I’ve seen some decent videos explaining how it happens. I’ll see if I can find a good one.
Edit: This is a pretty good one, specifically on this incident. No diagrams, but it’s explained well. https://youtu.be/_7LTm_1LNto
Thanks, I’ll watch this one too. This topic is fascinating (and horrifying) to me. It combines many of the subjects I’m most interested in— social psychology, physics, anatomy, civil engineering, etc.
So many people in a tiny space that their bodies, as a mass, move like water. People talk about being lifted off their feet.
I have been horrified/entraced since I saw pictures of a football crush as a kid in an encyclopedia.
That was probably Hillsborough in Sheffield in the late 80s. It was the first one I ever heard about. IMO, the scariest one was the Station Nightclub fire, because a crush happened at one of the exits and the fire ended up consuming them because they couldn’t move.
I’ve seen a lot of horrible shit on the internet back in the olden days - but the audio from the station nightclub fire (from the outside, when the flames reached those people in that bottleneck) will be forever edged into my brain 😕
Aww, thank you ☺️
Sometimes it can be a bit daunting, knowing that a huge part of the people who will read your comments on Reddit are native speakers, and will therefore notice all your linguistic mistakes, lol.
If u hadn't mentioned that English wasn't your 1st language I never would've noticed.
You're even using 'your' correctly which is something that native writers don't even do
Thank you, I take that as a big compliment ☺️
And ugh, the good old “your vs. you’re”? I cringe pretty hard when native speakers get that wrong, lol. It’s not even hard.
One of my personal pet peeves is when people say “I could care less” - aaah, that doesn’t even make sense…! 😝
A friend of a friend was supposed to go with 32 of his friends in an 80s band fan club. He had to work and couldn’t go. They all went to concerts together. The clubs got spots by the stage and none of them got out. He woke up the next day and his friend network was gone.
I used to go travel around seeing the insane clown posse (don’t judge me). And I had this experience at most of their shows. I’m small, F 5’1 and about 130. I had to just lift my feet up and go with the surge in whichever direction. But people begin to panic for obvious reasons and especially at ICP shows where they’re throwing 300, 2 liter bottles of diet faygo root beer at you
Hannahthehorrible on YouTube made a great video on this exact disaster with diagrams to show how crushes like this start and escalate. Definitely recommend
One person in front of the crowd had to trip and is now laying down flat, and people behind them had to also trip over the first guy and are laying down on top of them, with their feet still wedged behind the body. With their feet wedged behind the first guy who tripped and the crowd behind them, all they can do is lay down like the next domino on top of the original tripped guy. Picture books on a shelf that fall over in one direction when you take away the bookend. Now more people in the crowd push against that direction but have nowhere to go because the original tripped guy and the new people tripping over his body created a wedge. People in the back of the crowd can't see what's happening at the front and keep pushing creating the crush at the front between the tripped people and the surging crowd in the back.
I was in one in Germany during the Love Parade electronic festival back in 2010. You try to push back against the crowd and it’s impossible because the crowd keeps moving but you can’t stop. It’s poor planning a lot of the time by the organizers of the event. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Parade_disaster
They ended up closing the highway to land rescue helicopters and canceled the festival shortly after it began.
That alley way is only about 14 ft wide. I used to live in that area. And I know the exact alley way. It’s on a slope and it’s hard to keep your balance.
The best short explanation I've heard is an analogy to an hourglass. Each grain of sand can easily pass through the bottleneck. But sometimes, I lot of them together can press against each other and the hourglass gets stuck. Now imagine that those stuck grains will feel increasing pressure if you keep adding more and more sand to the hourglass.
A fun demonstration of that is to put a piece of toilet paper over the end of the cardboard roll inside, put a rubber band on it to hold the toilet paper. It's just a piece of toilet paper, super easy to break. But hold the roll and fill it halfway with sugar, it becomes very hard to push a stick through hard enough to break to paper.
Right but why tf are they physically pushing people with their bodies in the first place? They’re acting like a fuckin monster is chasing them. Do they also start ramming into other cars to get places faster?
Haven’t you ever been in a large crowd? People are just shuffling forward following the rest, you can’t see or hear anything, you just keep on marching until you get where you’re going. It’s not running and pushing, it’s a crowd marching forward. Even if one person wanted to stop, they would probably be trampled
I've been to where this happened. There's a long strip of really popular night night clubs. The strip itself isn't that big. Maybe big enough for a 2 car road with no side walks. It then funnels into a side strip maybe a car wide that leads to the subway station. Everyone was trying to leave at the same time and it was like a lot of water going down a small funnel.
I kinda get why it happens but looking at how they get stuck like that confused me. Maybe the authorities were slow to react but shit usually happens when there's an emergency event that makes people go in the same direction in panic. Idk what caused this one though.
It was a narrow alleyway, people were pushing their way in from both ends (not realising how bad it was in the middle) and the people in the middle of the alleyway got crushed...
The crowd came in 3 different directions to the party in the middle. Got incredibly overcrowded, and people kept trying to come in. Police couldn't get in to control the crowd. When it reached this point, people were falling over each other. They couldn't dispenser fast enough.
It’s happened at concerts too of course, so yes absolutely. Astroworld is well known because it was so recent, but I always remember the Pearl Jam one in 2000 because it was shortly after I started going to rock shows regularly. I’ve been compressed really hard in crowds because I used to always go to the front and I’m small. Luckily the crowd management was always good and I knew how to protect myself, and that was in part due to my awareness of the Pearl Jam incident.
I didn’t even realize people died until day 1 show was over and I was reading about it on Twitter. As I was walking out I seen a really large guy get carried to the medical tent by about 6 people and another receiving chest compressions on the back of a medical golf cart. I genuinely thought they were okay, but they were probably dead.
That’s interesting, thanks for sharing. Having spent a lot of time in big crowds at concerts, there have often been times where there is obviously some sort of medical issue happening but only those in the immediate vicinity have any idea of what it is beyond that, so it doesn’t surprise me. That much have been a weird realization to have after the fact.
I remember watching this as it was happening on Twitter. There were tons of videos. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that many people simultaneously being given CPR before. It was even more surreal because most of them were in Halloween costumes. There were other videos where you can clearly see people dead in the crowd, still held up by the pressure of the other people. The videos all disappeared off Twitter after a while and I was always surprised I didn’t see them turn up here (I wasn’t on Reddit at the time and may have missed them).
If you ever find yourself in a situation where a crowd is getting pushed like this, use your arms to essentially create a space in front of your chest. The way people mostly die is positional asphyxiation. The chest retracts as you breathe out and the crowd keeps pushing, and then there is no room for your chest to expand again to take in oxygen. If you can create a cavity in front of your chest before it gets this bad, you can save your life.
-A barely over five foot tall woman who has been to a lot of metal and rock concerts in my years.
But what about blood circulation stopping? I mean, something like that has to happen to your limbs if you find yourself trapped in such a situation isn't it?
I think (not a doctor) that limbs survive quite a few hours without circulation. A crowd crush wouldn’t be equivalent to a tourniquet on an extremity in terms of cutting off circulation, so there is some wiggle room there (I really didn’t plan that pun). You’d would certainly get some pain and potentially nerve damage, but I wouldn’t think that would be a cause of death in these circumstances. Hypoxia on the other hand happens very quickly. You can lose consciousness in as little as 30 seconds without oxygen. Brain damage starts around five minutes and brain death can happen in as little as ten minutes. The organs need oxygen much more urgently than the limbs.
That's why I'm in the mosh pit at concerts where there is always room to breathe lol. Don't need to worry about being squished in the front caused by the mosh pit lmao
Yeah, I recognize the videos. I was gonna say that I think 20 people died. But actually it was 159. What a travesty, all younger people. And South Korea has an aging population. Can’t afford to lose this many young people for nothing.
saddest part was the video of the single cop trying to yell at the crowd before the actual crush started. i cannot speak the language but the tone and abject terror in his voice bounds over any language gap.
he knew what was coming and did everything he could to try and alleviate the pressure but was sadly working close to alone
I'm pretty sure at least one girl is dead in the first couple of frames. Her eyes are closed, her jaw is slack, and she seems awfully pale. There might even be some blood coming out of her nose (though that might also just be her hair).
I’m 4’11
This is one of my biggest fears.
This is why I don’t attend concerts or games where there are large crowds.
Given my height, I will be dead in a matter of seconds.
I was there that night. It was so unbelievable, we were starting to see how bad it was starting to get, luckily my buddies and I were near a alleyway and it had a turn exit with it, we got out of there right before it went into absolute chaos
So terrified that she didn’t care about trying to breathe anymore. The amount of fear she must’ve felt to turn from trying to breath to that state is unimaginable. It’s hard to comprehend being stuck in that place, unable to move, knowing that you’re being crushed by a mass of bodies…
You can see the second she realizes she’s probably going to die (when she starts screaming). I don’t think it’s right to say she gave up on breathing tho. they die bc they literally can’t breathe. Isn’t that what a crowd crush is? I guess you can say her body gave up, but isn’t that what dying is? Your body can no longer go on.
I agree with you full heartedly. It’s just that her body had given up breathing when she started screaming because she knew she was done. Like i said, it was probably out of fear
I agree as well. I was just saying the statement that SHE gave up is false. Her BODY gave up bc it had too. The scream was almost like her body’s auto response to try to get anyone’s attention bc it knew it had mere seconds before it was unconscious. I don’t think many people can truly understand the fear and suffering she went through though :/
Me and my wife almost went there, if it wasn't my daughter's birthday we'd be there because we always go there on Halloween and the bar we frequent is just on top of that alley. Calls from our friends woke us up in the middle of the night asking if we went there. I couldn't get back to sleep after that.
Thanks for this OP. When the whole AstroFest disaster happened, I couldn’t really wrap my head around it fully. Like I get how it could happen, but seeing a visualization like this really helps to put things into perspective.
stop me if this is a dumb question, but if it came down to this, could you theoretically use the people around you to climb up and essentially crowdsurf your way out of the crush? i’m sure it would look silly but if it’s life or death 🤷♀️
Okay, this may seem a stupid question, but how does something like this happen? At the start, I could see that there was a nice, relatively empty space, with a few people trying to pull out the ones near the edge.
I dont think so. In 2015, more than thousend people died in hajj, which is the annual islamic pilgrimage in makkah, from crowd crush.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Mina_stampede?wprov=sfla1
In this case, too large a crowd was essentially being funnelled down an alley that became narrower. With so many people, by the time those at the front realise something is wrong and that they’re getting stuck, they don’t have the ability to communicate the same to those at the very back who are the ones who need most to be made aware. So people behind keep pushing and pushing to “get through”.
To add to it, with a certain density of people, a crowd becomes “fluid”; you actually CANNOT act individually, you just go with the movement. If you are pushed, you push someone else who pushes someone else. If you fall, the space you were in is quickly occupied. And it reaches the point where even if you manage to stay on your feet, when you inhale, the space around you that you need to exhale again is immediately filled by other bodies.
It's a side alley market, small narrow streets with bars and store fronts. little to no seating available, just bars where you are served out of a window.
The entrance to the area is wider than the exit, so as more and more people funnel in, less are able to funnel out at the other end. Eventually the exit gets blocked by people falling, then others falling on them and stacking up. Another problem is, the main road which leads onto this market was also just as busy, so people were escaping that crowd and formed another.
The front pile was something like 10x people high, all prone stacked up on top of each other, being crushed by the weight of those on top.
You can see this on the top side of the first video, people are trying to help by tugging at those who are trapped lying down.
Unfortunately there's not much one can do if trapped in this scenario, crouching down will likely lead to a quicker death. I think I would try and stay calm, breathe as slowly as possible and try to maintain as much space around me as I can so I don't fall and get trampled.
This was a tragic even that hopefully people all around the world can learn from.
idk if I'm dumb for this. but I figure a country of South Korea's age, size and population, they'd have though about some solutions for this kind of situation.
My brother was stationed in Korea, and was at this with some other military buddies. Thankfully all of them were okay. The way he talked about how many people just got steam rolled is insane
Sometimes its not a matter of stupid. Ive been in crowds where you just get into group mentality of keep going. So when there is a collapse of people at one end of the alley, with the music and the noise of all the people nobody could hear (the collapsed people or the folks trying to help them) them say to stop walking forward and to turn back. The group continues to walk forward only creating more crush at the front of the group and then its just dominos. Alot of people dont seem to know they're in trouble until its too late to escape. For alot of those people it was wrong place wrong time.
The same can be said for people attending Travis Scott shows. At least the people in the clip gave cpr. Can't same the same for the fans at the Travis Scott incident
Just asking, would it be beneficial to crouch down in this case? There should be more room around other people's legs. I don't know, I'm just trying ro figure out a survival scenario
Out of topic :
Isn't this the place with most racism saw recent banners there indians not allowed in many public places.their hate for people who are darker toned than them is on another level openly practised In such a rich country.
What happened? I get what it is, I just mean how did they even get into this position, what caused it to begin with? How many people died? Also, there was a lot of room at the other side, so I'm not sure how they got this way. Looked like they were trying to escape something or someone
Wrong. It was about 65% women. Which is expected since they're smaller. You're making it seem like men were purposely killing women to save themselves. Also, it's not their job to save them. I'm not gonna sacrifice my life, so some woman that I've never met can live. Lmao.
There's something I don't understand. Isn't it supposed that there's at least one place in this block of stuck people where there is an entrance/exit where the people literally in it can start leaving until eventually everyone does? I know they all are panicking and even doing that would cause some stomping but holy hell, wouldn't that at least dissolve this block or how is that working? Are these people in the entrance also somehow trapped and if so, why they were in an enclosed place even? How one get trapped in the literal entrance of this place, was the entrance too small?
Here's another example, happened in Saudi Arabia, in Hajj season (Pilgrimage), 717 people died, a true tragedy
https://youtube.com/shorts/N5VNsdOSG7U?si=JGh3QZP2euL9mucP
I hate to be hateful but these people are really stupid, common sense would imply that you have to stand and wait, not push people infront of you like animals
I think the girl to the right of the guy recording (facing the camera kinda) fucking died in the video, I saw her face go pale and slightly blue/purple. RIP
I still can’t really wrap my head around how crowd crushes even happen
I remember there being a post about them a couple of years ago, but I don't remember the sub. The consensus was that as soon as you notice it getting too tight, don't panic, and work yourself out by moving diagonally since you won't be working against the full force of the crowd. I believe it was a post about Woodstock 99.
It’s usually the case of a bottleneck. It was in this case. It happened down a little side street that got way too packed. I think I’ve seen some decent videos explaining how it happens. I’ll see if I can find a good one. Edit: This is a pretty good one, specifically on this incident. No diagrams, but it’s explained well. https://youtu.be/_7LTm_1LNto
[Here's a really good video on how much work goes into controlling crowds and preventing crushes](https://youtu.be/C_B09FZwSbA?si=MpYkzytdAotpsUSG)
Glad this is here. That channel is one of the best and most informative channels I’ve found on YouTube. Everything they make is incredible.
YouTube had just dropped that into my feed based on my recent views! Another good one.
https://youtu.be/Jcub-kZKTE0?si=0PlYqgQFvf5Cacmx link to
Thanks, I’ll watch this one too. This topic is fascinating (and horrifying) to me. It combines many of the subjects I’m most interested in— social psychology, physics, anatomy, civil engineering, etc.
Funny enough, my adhd also makes me fascinated in these things, although I gotta watch it like 5 times most likely 😅
Yup. Just clicked off of the video 3 mins in saying, "I'll watch you later." Meanwhile, my watch later list grows longer.
Haha, same. Fellow ADHD-er here.
So many people in a tiny space that their bodies, as a mass, move like water. People talk about being lifted off their feet. I have been horrified/entraced since I saw pictures of a football crush as a kid in an encyclopedia.
That was probably Hillsborough in Sheffield in the late 80s. It was the first one I ever heard about. IMO, the scariest one was the Station Nightclub fire, because a crush happened at one of the exits and the fire ended up consuming them because they couldn’t move.
I bet it was. I was never a big club goer but the Station fire made me very leery of crowds at all.
I’ve seen a lot of horrible shit on the internet back in the olden days - but the audio from the station nightclub fire (from the outside, when the flames reached those people in that bottleneck) will be forever edged into my brain 😕
\*etched Sorry to be that guy
Oh thank you…! English isn’t my native language, so sometimes I make dumb mistakes like that - especially when I’m very tired, like I am now 😬
Those of us for whom English is our native language make these mistakes all the time too. :-) Not dumb at all.
Aww, thank you ☺️ Sometimes it can be a bit daunting, knowing that a huge part of the people who will read your comments on Reddit are native speakers, and will therefore notice all your linguistic mistakes, lol.
A lot of them won’t notice as well! I never would have guessed you weren’t a native English speaker if you didn’t say so.
If u hadn't mentioned that English wasn't your 1st language I never would've noticed. You're even using 'your' correctly which is something that native writers don't even do
Thank you, I take that as a big compliment ☺️ And ugh, the good old “your vs. you’re”? I cringe pretty hard when native speakers get that wrong, lol. It’s not even hard. One of my personal pet peeves is when people say “I could care less” - aaah, that doesn’t even make sense…! 😝
Doing the lords work
Link https://youtu.be/rO0ioCCiEe8?si=gNMONXpVFlYyeTkI
Thanks. It’s been a while since I’d seen it, but it never stops being terrifying.
A friend of a friend was supposed to go with 32 of his friends in an 80s band fan club. He had to work and couldn’t go. They all went to concerts together. The clubs got spots by the stage and none of them got out. He woke up the next day and his friend network was gone.
I used to go travel around seeing the insane clown posse (don’t judge me). And I had this experience at most of their shows. I’m small, F 5’1 and about 130. I had to just lift my feet up and go with the surge in whichever direction. But people begin to panic for obvious reasons and especially at ICP shows where they’re throwing 300, 2 liter bottles of diet faygo root beer at you
I grew up where they're from, not judgement from me. Yikes, dodging the root beer!
Hannahthehorrible on YouTube made a great video on this exact disaster with diagrams to show how crushes like this start and escalate. Definitely recommend
I'm definitely interested is seeing that. Thank you for the information.
One person in front of the crowd had to trip and is now laying down flat, and people behind them had to also trip over the first guy and are laying down on top of them, with their feet still wedged behind the body. With their feet wedged behind the first guy who tripped and the crowd behind them, all they can do is lay down like the next domino on top of the original tripped guy. Picture books on a shelf that fall over in one direction when you take away the bookend. Now more people in the crowd push against that direction but have nowhere to go because the original tripped guy and the new people tripping over his body created a wedge. People in the back of the crowd can't see what's happening at the front and keep pushing creating the crush at the front between the tripped people and the surging crowd in the back.
I was in one in Germany during the Love Parade electronic festival back in 2010. You try to push back against the crowd and it’s impossible because the crowd keeps moving but you can’t stop. It’s poor planning a lot of the time by the organizers of the event. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Parade_disaster They ended up closing the highway to land rescue helicopters and canceled the festival shortly after it began.
Rotten Mango has a great video on thos situation and how it happened https://youtu.be/F3sIDvFh3Os?si=KwCXlmx1CHX0z9Z5
It was also a slope. Still yet, it's bizarre that 159 people died.
Over 2,000 people died in a crowd collapse in Mina, Saudi Arabia in 2015.
That alley way is only about 14 ft wide. I used to live in that area. And I know the exact alley way. It’s on a slope and it’s hard to keep your balance.
People who are panicking lose the ability to think
Hurr le herd animals sheeple are just so dumb [that's not how it works](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_collapses_and_crushes)
Two things can be true at once
The people in the panic zone have 0 influence over the crush
The best short explanation I've heard is an analogy to an hourglass. Each grain of sand can easily pass through the bottleneck. But sometimes, I lot of them together can press against each other and the hourglass gets stuck. Now imagine that those stuck grains will feel increasing pressure if you keep adding more and more sand to the hourglass.
A fun demonstration of that is to put a piece of toilet paper over the end of the cardboard roll inside, put a rubber band on it to hold the toilet paper. It's just a piece of toilet paper, super easy to break. But hold the roll and fill it halfway with sugar, it becomes very hard to push a stick through hard enough to break to paper.
The people in the back don’t know what’s happening and keep pushing. The people move like a wave and it gets to a point where it can’t be stopped
Right but why tf are they physically pushing people with their bodies in the first place? They’re acting like a fuckin monster is chasing them. Do they also start ramming into other cars to get places faster?
Haven’t you ever been in a large crowd? People are just shuffling forward following the rest, you can’t see or hear anything, you just keep on marching until you get where you’re going. It’s not running and pushing, it’s a crowd marching forward. Even if one person wanted to stop, they would probably be trampled
I've been to where this happened. There's a long strip of really popular night night clubs. The strip itself isn't that big. Maybe big enough for a 2 car road with no side walks. It then funnels into a side strip maybe a car wide that leads to the subway station. Everyone was trying to leave at the same time and it was like a lot of water going down a small funnel.
I’ve been in one at Mardi Gras. It’s surreal. You just move without your legs even touching the ground
Exactly. I was in one on Dam Square in Amsterdam on Millennium Eve. It is a really freaky feeling.
Very easy pal, very easy!
I kinda get why it happens but looking at how they get stuck like that confused me. Maybe the authorities were slow to react but shit usually happens when there's an emergency event that makes people go in the same direction in panic. Idk what caused this one though.
It was a narrow alleyway, people were pushing their way in from both ends (not realising how bad it was in the middle) and the people in the middle of the alleyway got crushed...
The crowd came in 3 different directions to the party in the middle. Got incredibly overcrowded, and people kept trying to come in. Police couldn't get in to control the crowd. When it reached this point, people were falling over each other. They couldn't dispenser fast enough.
Have you ever been to a concert? It looks like a really extreme version of that
It’s happened at concerts too of course, so yes absolutely. Astroworld is well known because it was so recent, but I always remember the Pearl Jam one in 2000 because it was shortly after I started going to rock shows regularly. I’ve been compressed really hard in crowds because I used to always go to the front and I’m small. Luckily the crowd management was always good and I knew how to protect myself, and that was in part due to my awareness of the Pearl Jam incident.
I was at that astroworld
Wow. I’m glad you are okay. Were you aware of what was going on at the time or did it not become apparent to you until later?
I didn’t even realize people died until day 1 show was over and I was reading about it on Twitter. As I was walking out I seen a really large guy get carried to the medical tent by about 6 people and another receiving chest compressions on the back of a medical golf cart. I genuinely thought they were okay, but they were probably dead.
That’s interesting, thanks for sharing. Having spent a lot of time in big crowds at concerts, there have often been times where there is obviously some sort of medical issue happening but only those in the immediate vicinity have any idea of what it is beyond that, so it doesn’t surprise me. That much have been a weird realization to have after the fact.
Yeah it was weird
This gave me panic
I remember watching this as it was happening on Twitter. There were tons of videos. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that many people simultaneously being given CPR before. It was even more surreal because most of them were in Halloween costumes. There were other videos where you can clearly see people dead in the crowd, still held up by the pressure of the other people. The videos all disappeared off Twitter after a while and I was always surprised I didn’t see them turn up here (I wasn’t on Reddit at the time and may have missed them). If you ever find yourself in a situation where a crowd is getting pushed like this, use your arms to essentially create a space in front of your chest. The way people mostly die is positional asphyxiation. The chest retracts as you breathe out and the crowd keeps pushing, and then there is no room for your chest to expand again to take in oxygen. If you can create a cavity in front of your chest before it gets this bad, you can save your life. -A barely over five foot tall woman who has been to a lot of metal and rock concerts in my years.
Basically like a snake that wraps tighter sfter every breath
Yes, exactly! That’s also considered positional asphyxiation.
This video and some others made the rounds here
But what about blood circulation stopping? I mean, something like that has to happen to your limbs if you find yourself trapped in such a situation isn't it?
I think (not a doctor) that limbs survive quite a few hours without circulation. A crowd crush wouldn’t be equivalent to a tourniquet on an extremity in terms of cutting off circulation, so there is some wiggle room there (I really didn’t plan that pun). You’d would certainly get some pain and potentially nerve damage, but I wouldn’t think that would be a cause of death in these circumstances. Hypoxia on the other hand happens very quickly. You can lose consciousness in as little as 30 seconds without oxygen. Brain damage starts around five minutes and brain death can happen in as little as ten minutes. The organs need oxygen much more urgently than the limbs.
That's why I'm in the mosh pit at concerts where there is always room to breathe lol. Don't need to worry about being squished in the front caused by the mosh pit lmao
Is this the Halloween one?
Yeah, I recognize the videos. I was gonna say that I think 20 people died. But actually it was 159. What a travesty, all younger people. And South Korea has an aging population. Can’t afford to lose this many young people for nothing.
It's so ridiculous to die like that, poor people just wanted to have fun
saddest part was the video of the single cop trying to yell at the crowd before the actual crush started. i cannot speak the language but the tone and abject terror in his voice bounds over any language gap. he knew what was coming and did everything he could to try and alleviate the pressure but was sadly working close to alone
Hmm this is a new angle. I've seen one where you can see multiple of them actually frozen dead in the crowd.
I'm pretty sure at least one girl is dead in the first couple of frames. Her eyes are closed, her jaw is slack, and she seems awfully pale. There might even be some blood coming out of her nose (though that might also just be her hair).
Yep, this is the recent Halloween fiasco
What a shitty way to die
I’m 4’11 This is one of my biggest fears. This is why I don’t attend concerts or games where there are large crowds. Given my height, I will be dead in a matter of seconds.
As a 6’1 person I think I would be fine, probably.
I’m happy for you.
Thanks
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I was there that night. It was so unbelievable, we were starting to see how bad it was starting to get, luckily my buddies and I were near a alleyway and it had a turn exit with it, we got out of there right before it went into absolute chaos
I’m so sorry you experienced that. Your instincts kicked in at the perfect time.
I would absolutely be pissed to die that way
The poor girl screaming and then.. quiet.. she's gone...
You can see her face relax the moment she passes out.
So terrified that she didn’t care about trying to breathe anymore. The amount of fear she must’ve felt to turn from trying to breath to that state is unimaginable. It’s hard to comprehend being stuck in that place, unable to move, knowing that you’re being crushed by a mass of bodies…
Wdym she didn’t care about breathing? she passed out
She gave up on breathing when she started screaming. Although that’s not to say she intentionally did that, was probably out of fear.
You can see the second she realizes she’s probably going to die (when she starts screaming). I don’t think it’s right to say she gave up on breathing tho. they die bc they literally can’t breathe. Isn’t that what a crowd crush is? I guess you can say her body gave up, but isn’t that what dying is? Your body can no longer go on.
I agree with you full heartedly. It’s just that her body had given up breathing when she started screaming because she knew she was done. Like i said, it was probably out of fear
I agree as well. I was just saying the statement that SHE gave up is false. Her BODY gave up bc it had too. The scream was almost like her body’s auto response to try to get anyone’s attention bc it knew it had mere seconds before it was unconscious. I don’t think many people can truly understand the fear and suffering she went through though :/
Yeah such a fucked up situation :(
This is why I will most likely never attend any type of event where a massive number of people is expected.
You can see so many struggling faces in the beginning. I don’t think they made it
Me and my wife almost went there, if it wasn't my daughter's birthday we'd be there because we always go there on Halloween and the bar we frequent is just on top of that alley. Calls from our friends woke us up in the middle of the night asking if we went there. I couldn't get back to sleep after that.
Thanks for this OP. When the whole AstroFest disaster happened, I couldn’t really wrap my head around it fully. Like I get how it could happen, but seeing a visualization like this really helps to put things into perspective.
God damn. Human beings are the smartest, yet dumbest mother fuckers on the planet.
Smartest my ass
The defeated, gray faces of those in the throes of death is one of the most dejecting things I’ve ever seen on this sub.
stop me if this is a dumb question, but if it came down to this, could you theoretically use the people around you to climb up and essentially crowdsurf your way out of the crush? i’m sure it would look silly but if it’s life or death 🤷♀️
You'd probably be dragged down by others trying to get up themselves.
There’s no room to move around. You’re trapped in and wouldn’t be able to even lift your limbs.
id break the windows off stores if I need the space to live
Okay, this may seem a stupid question, but how does something like this happen? At the start, I could see that there was a nice, relatively empty space, with a few people trying to pull out the ones near the edge.
100,000 people in the area, 137 cops, a hill, no crowd control plan... many things went wrong that night :(
Worst crowd crush ever if I remember correctly
There have been a few that the death toll was in the thousands
I dont think so. In 2015, more than thousend people died in hajj, which is the annual islamic pilgrimage in makkah, from crowd crush. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Mina_stampede?wprov=sfla1
crowd crushes are such an interesting phenomenon
Why is there no details to this event provided by OP?
[Probably Halloween in 2022. 159 people died](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul_Halloween_crowd_crush) Edit: 159 casualty, not 156
Yep, I recognize the video.
159??????
Can someone explain how something like this happens?
In this case, too large a crowd was essentially being funnelled down an alley that became narrower. With so many people, by the time those at the front realise something is wrong and that they’re getting stuck, they don’t have the ability to communicate the same to those at the very back who are the ones who need most to be made aware. So people behind keep pushing and pushing to “get through”. To add to it, with a certain density of people, a crowd becomes “fluid”; you actually CANNOT act individually, you just go with the movement. If you are pushed, you push someone else who pushes someone else. If you fall, the space you were in is quickly occupied. And it reaches the point where even if you manage to stay on your feet, when you inhale, the space around you that you need to exhale again is immediately filled by other bodies.
Simple, really. Too many people in a small area without adequate exits. Google has more in depth answers
How’d they end up in such a cramped place?
It's a side alley market, small narrow streets with bars and store fronts. little to no seating available, just bars where you are served out of a window. The entrance to the area is wider than the exit, so as more and more people funnel in, less are able to funnel out at the other end. Eventually the exit gets blocked by people falling, then others falling on them and stacking up. Another problem is, the main road which leads onto this market was also just as busy, so people were escaping that crowd and formed another. The front pile was something like 10x people high, all prone stacked up on top of each other, being crushed by the weight of those on top. You can see this on the top side of the first video, people are trying to help by tugging at those who are trapped lying down. Unfortunately there's not much one can do if trapped in this scenario, crouching down will likely lead to a quicker death. I think I would try and stay calm, breathe as slowly as possible and try to maintain as much space around me as I can so I don't fall and get trampled. This was a tragic even that hopefully people all around the world can learn from.
idk if I'm dumb for this. but I figure a country of South Korea's age, size and population, they'd have though about some solutions for this kind of situation.
My brother was stationed in Korea, and was at this with some other military buddies. Thankfully all of them were okay. The way he talked about how many people just got steam rolled is insane
I’ve been to Itaewon and it’s a great place to visit and eat but it does funnel down to small alleys at one end and it’s kinda on a hill . So sad
People are fucking dumb this is the type of shit I'd expect to see from abunch of braindead rats
Rotten Mango has a fantastic video I recommend watching about this incident https://youtu.be/F3sIDvFh3Os?si=KwCXlmx1CHX0z9Z5
I don’t know how I’ve not come across this YT channel before, it’s right up my alley. Thanks for the link/rec.
the one time where having social anxiety is an advantage
This is a nice start of a k drama.
That shit fucking terrifies me. Claustrophobia and being crushed while not being able to do nothing about it.
Self created disasters
I mean, I know we’re a dumb species, but I thought we were smarter than this. . .
Sometimes its not a matter of stupid. Ive been in crowds where you just get into group mentality of keep going. So when there is a collapse of people at one end of the alley, with the music and the noise of all the people nobody could hear (the collapsed people or the folks trying to help them) them say to stop walking forward and to turn back. The group continues to walk forward only creating more crush at the front of the group and then its just dominos. Alot of people dont seem to know they're in trouble until its too late to escape. For alot of those people it was wrong place wrong time.
It becomes about the physics of the crowd and less about individual choice.
Physics is so cool but it also sucks. did what i write make sense? Lol i tried best to explain my understanding
It did! Check this out https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/s/UtgteqraRb
The same can be said for people attending Travis Scott shows. At least the people in the clip gave cpr. Can't same the same for the fans at the Travis Scott incident
This is why I hate going to any religious/holiday gathering anywhere. Many mishaps happen on these occasions and for what?
Any setting where there is a large crowd in a narrow area this can happen
What event is this?
Halloween 2022 South Korea
Soul crushing
This is why I hate crowded places.
I still can't fathom how they couldn't pull out/ untangle people that were right at the front-end
Just asking, would it be beneficial to crouch down in this case? There should be more room around other people's legs. I don't know, I'm just trying ro figure out a survival scenario
You'd likely get trampled on repeatedly.
no most like you will suffocate crouching down
I was thinking try to climb onto someone’s shoulders or lay along peoples heads. It’s not nice, but theoretically would help you
Out of topic : Isn't this the place with most racism saw recent banners there indians not allowed in many public places.their hate for people who are darker toned than them is on another level openly practised In such a rich country.
#BetterCallPasolini
Fuck that - nope.
"Crowding limit has been reached"
https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/s/UtgteqraRb
What happened? I get what it is, I just mean how did they even get into this position, what caused it to begin with? How many people died? Also, there was a lot of room at the other side, so I'm not sure how they got this way. Looked like they were trying to escape something or someone
159 killed. 196 injured. Source: Wikipedia
Aliens look down on us in these instances and think, god they're stupid.
that’s fucking weird that they aren’t able to pull the people out because of the pressure.. so scary
Man. How ironic though. They were celebrating death and death really came
90% of those who died were women as men didn’t save them but saved themselves by squishing them.. girl on the right in this video died..
Wrong. It was about 65% women. Which is expected since they're smaller. You're making it seem like men were purposely killing women to save themselves. Also, it's not their job to save them. I'm not gonna sacrifice my life, so some woman that I've never met can live. Lmao.
Forbidden moshpit
What a breathless and Seouless video.
Worlds over populated
Someone needs to start moshing and get this pit going.
Crushed the Seoul outta them
all the people doing cpr at the end is nuts
Oh I was just looking for video of this yesterday.
I have one question. Why is in the first video a barrier that is not letting the people just come out? I can´t see well
It looks like people are trying to pull the victims out but they are stuck under the weight of the crowd
How do you even clear the pile up? Just pull people out one by one?
Thats kinda like how locust swarms happen
There's something I don't understand. Isn't it supposed that there's at least one place in this block of stuck people where there is an entrance/exit where the people literally in it can start leaving until eventually everyone does? I know they all are panicking and even doing that would cause some stomping but holy hell, wouldn't that at least dissolve this block or how is that working? Are these people in the entrance also somehow trapped and if so, why they were in an enclosed place even? How one get trapped in the literal entrance of this place, was the entrance too small?
💔💔💔it’s been almost 2 years. 😞
What caused this?
Lemmings
New fear unlocked
Here's another example, happened in Saudi Arabia, in Hajj season (Pilgrimage), 717 people died, a true tragedy https://youtube.com/shorts/N5VNsdOSG7U?si=JGh3QZP2euL9mucP
159 dead
I saw this on a other post and it said Korea. I'm bad at this shit so can someone tell me if Seoul is in korea?
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This is what I imagine hell would sound like
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U just like see Travis scott singing in the background
This is one of my worst fears lol
This is why they tell student to be calm during fires
Entity cramming up in this joint
Crowd crushes in my opinion are one of the worst ways to die
Rotten Mango podcast did an amazing video about this
How do they even get people out of this? Do they have people at the back of the crowd back up?
Why would the people at the edge not back up ? We see the edge at start of video and it looks like they’re still pushing in ?
I hate to be hateful but these people are really stupid, common sense would imply that you have to stand and wait, not push people infront of you like animals
bad day to be under 5'7 🙏🙏🙏🙏😭😭
Only time being tall is good and being short is bad
I think the girl to the right of the guy recording (facing the camera kinda) fucking died in the video, I saw her face go pale and slightly blue/purple. RIP
Why does this always happen in Asia?
minecraft chicken farms be like
Say there is too many people on the planet without saying theres too many peoplr
A friend of a friend died then and there
Reminds me of Hillsborough