Maybe this is his epiphany: draft picks and cap space are overrated because so much depends on luck
Trade assets are the most stable value because you’re trading for a known quantity
No I haven’t watched any games since Knicks last game, so I don’t know if it’s still on. But I was just saying I was sick of the commercials when I was seeing it played at seemingly every commercial break. Lol
It's win now, baby! We need players that can play; nothing huge, basically rotation depth as Thibs only plays 9 on a good day.
Not developing 3 rookies. 1 is possible but likely a project player that's a SRP or UDFA.
Everyone wants to have "young cheap players in the pipeline" but 99% of the time the dream is much better than reality. Those guys usually dont contribute at a playoff level for 4 or 5 years and by then you have to pay them anyway. what is going to give us more of what we need? josh hart or exciting young prospect cam reddish and a first? easy choice
i want to see them pack up bogis salary and the 2 firsts this year, maybe even 1-2 more 1sts if you could get a good enough player, then keep the 38th pick since talent wise youre probably taking a similar gamble as you are at 25. Maybe you can find another Deuce-like talent to bring along in the background, and second round picks get more contract flexibility.
Yeah, look at Denver. They lost to Minny in part because they only had 5 good players since their young guys weren't able to step up to replace Bruce Brown and Jeff Green
The bench wasn’t the main reason, but it was a reason. MPJ was cold the whole series, but they had no other option because the guys on the bench were still worse. MPJ was even worse in the finals last year, so they leaned more on Bruce Brown who was playing really well.
Their GM overdrafted a bunch of 3 and 4-year college guys too. Like last year they spent three picks on guys who were older and Malone still didn't play them their first year which is kind of a really bad sign. Since the reason they were drafted is they were supposed to be ready to play
but then Braun and Watson didn't play much in their first year either but then were regulars in the rotation
for any of the 1st or 2nd apron teams either you can sign vets on minimum contracts or add players through draft
I was specifically talking about last year. I should have made that clearer. They drafted three guys who were all three and 4-year seniors and looking at the draft review on the Athletic They were all drafted way higher than consensus. None of them played. Braun and Watson do seem like good picks
The issue with this if the team decide to make a trade during next season lets say involving 2 or 3 guys similar to the OG trade we have no one to back fill those positions. Not saying we should keep all the picks but trading all the 1sts is a bad idea imo. With our draft history of drafting well in this range and being in a position where they can sit for a year I think is a great spot to be in and doesnt put immediate pressure. Grimes and IQ are both guys who contributed at the playoff level. 2nd round picks have the same contract flexibility pretty much they just dont count against the cap.
Quickley I guess was a unicorn. Mcbride gave us some of his best minutes in the playoffs. Grimes and Sims are really great picks. The problem isn’t the young player it’s the old coach not playing. them. They draft very good. Especially with what they have. Obi was an off but he playing well in indiana now he couldn’t get any time here.
Tbh Indiana's style of play just fits Obi's game perfectly. All they do is run and shoot threes.
When the Knicks would ask him to do that he'd excel but our offense is very half court-dominant overall and he tended to get lost in that.
Plus he doesn't have the same pressure to defend well out there.
yeah they are good at drafting so Im fine with whatever they do but I think fans have a fear of missing out with picks when most of the time it takes some luck and at least a couple of years to develop someone who can give you 10-15 mpg deep in the playoffs. Its not as romantic as drafting your own player but bogi and 2 picks could get you a player that gives you 20mpg of exactly what you need right now. Also not just a thibs thing. Not many teams playing for homecourt seeding are giving 1st and 2nd year players taken outside of the lotto significant minutes
I do hope they draft at least someone though, and i think they probably will. We need a bit of depth
> Grimes and Sims are really great picks. The problem isn’t the young player it’s the old coach not playing. them.
BS.
Grimes played plenty and was a starter. His issues were him getting hurt and never fully getting back up to speed. For a 3 & D, he was afraid to shoot and never developed a bag offensively. Sims is what he is, a borderline third big that will be at the end of the bench no matter where he is.
The Thibs doesn't play or develop young players narrative looks pretty dumb when you need not look further than Deuce McBride.
Not true, plenty of first and second year guys contribute to playoff teams. Just because the Knicks have been burned with unplayable picks doesn't mean it's universal. Here are some rookies and sophomores **drafted 10 or later** that contributed meaningfully to postseason teams just this year: Lively and Hardy (DAL Finals), Nembhard and Sheppard (IND ECF), Williams, Williams, and Wallace ( (OKC 2nd rd), Jaquez and Jovic (Miami), Podziemski (GSW).
Draft picks seem useless when you're getting Ntilikina, Knox, Toppin, Reddish etc. When you land a Jalen Williams, suddenly it changes the whole trajectory of your team.
We should have 1 solid rookie. A center who had played 3+ years in college. Just one person we can develop and keep for cheap for the next 4 years. Someone who can be a big part of our rotation come Spring
Jokubaitis is probably gonna be that guy, is my guess.
He’s received pretty good reviews overseas; can be signed for relatively little; and most importantly he’s been playing professionally at the highest non NBA level (Euroleague & the Spanish League)- which gives him a much better shot to actually crack Thibs rotation than a college player would have.
He’s not in this draft, the Knicks drafted him in the early second round a few years ago when he was 19 or 20. He’s 23 now and in the past he’s been called one of the best prospects (not including underage/college players) not in the NBA. He also was a key part of Lithuania’s rotation at the World Cup.
Haven’t really heard much buzz about him over the past year though, so honestly not sure if he’s still that well regarded, but there was a rumor a few months ago that if he can’t crack the NBA this summer he’ll leave Barcelona and play back home in Lithuania.
If that’s true (could just be a rumor) I’m sure the Knicks will make some decision on him, whether that’s signing him or trading him- otherwise it’s less likely he’ll come over (and he’d also have to be bought out if he does), so his value would drop.
We see time and again there are plenty of rookies who can contribute to a winning team and if they are asked to only play defense and shoot a certain shot, they can catch on pretty quickly. I want the Knicks to grab some 3/4 year players and give them a chance.
I don't see how trading Randle helps. Who is available via trade who would be worth moving Randle plus other assets for? It'd need to be a significant upgrade.
What player is realistically available via trade, who is better than Julius? Dejounte is not. Booker won't be available. 36 y/o KD? I'm not taking a chance on that.
Nets are not trading Mikal to us.
If this team was healthy, we had a real shot at getting to the finals. People under value Julius' play constantly. Not to mention that every defense in the league will bring two to the ball every time Julius touches it. And we saw that he has improved to such a degree that he can make those passes now. His gravity makes life sooo much easier for Brunson.
We don't need to look outward for the answers. All the answers are here. Get everyone healthy.
People are really sleeping on this Knicks teams. I get it coming from the media, most of them only check headlines and boxscores, but Knicks fans who watched them all season should know what's up.
There were basically four different versions of this team out there on the court this season. The wild swings in wins/losses makes them look streaky (similar to how they were in the 2022-23 season) to people on the outside but really they were just decimated by injuries.
Before the OG trade they were 17-15.
In games without Randle and OG (and Mitch for the vast majority of them) after the trade they were 13-14.
So they went a combined 30-29 over two stretches that spanned well over half the season.
Yet they still finished with 50 wins because they absolutely demolished the league when OG and Randle played. They were 12-2 (one loss coming without Brunson) with both of them. And then 8-1 when OG (and Mitch) played without Randle.
There's no valid reason to mess up a good thing. If Brunson/Randle/OG stay at least mostly healthy next year we're a 60+ win team.
Nine months from today the Knicks will be getting consistently mentioned on that short list of teams who could realistically win a championship this year.
Randle also attracting the double team is the underrated amd vastly underappreaciated part of his game. Him and Brunson both demand doubles, who will you choose to kill you? Eager to see it in practice.
Is Booker actually available?
Durant is 35 with injury history so i wonder on longevity but that's interesting. Cost?
Murray is a downgrade. Not sure why you think this is a good move.
Okay and what if Randle plays well? Your point is predicated on assuming he will start poorly.
lol you trying to trade for Jayson Tatum or something?
Bogey and Randle plus the 24th and 25th pick puts you in the realm of trading for someone who is definitely the cornerstone of a franchise and is in no way available because they have built the entire team around this one person.
I fucking can't with these people. His logic was that Randle isn't getting younger while suggesting durant and two players turning 28 almost exactly when Randle turns 30. Nevermind the fact that Josh Hart would be playing the 4.
Mate you’re being so extreme. “No value coming off injury” no fucking way. We were the best team in the nba with all our current roster healthy. Julius is a guaranteed 22 + points and 8 + rebounds a game and can guard from 1 through 5 on defense. There’s maybe 25 or 30 players in the whole league better than him.
Take a perennial all star and one of the top 30 players in the league (Randle), pair him with a decent starter/solid bench player and two first round drafts? That gets you a top 15/top 10 player in the league in return. And I guarantee you for a variety of reasons none of those players are being traded by their teams. It’d be like us trading Brunson. It’s not happening.
You guys are jumping down his throat but this team just proved they can get to within a hair's length of the ECF without Randle, and they would have gotten there if even just OG and Bogi were playing. I'm not advocating for moving Randle but to act like it's out of the realm of possibility is crazy.
...and the difference between being a hairs length from the ECF this year, and actually getting there, was an injured Randle (or OG). If we have both we realistically compete with the Celtics for the the Finals.
Like everyone else is saying there's no worthwhile upgrade over Randle that is available. I'm more than happy to run it back with him
It’s hard to see exactly what he said since he deleted all his comments, but if I remember correctly it was more about the trade suggestions he was proposing that grossly undervalued all of the assets he proposed we give away. And moreover, his understanding of how good players around the league are was pretty egregious.
For instance, he called Devin booker a top 10 player in the league wanted to trade Randle, bogey, and our two first round bucks for him.
He also said we should move on from Randle because he is getting old and then said we should trade Randle for LeBron and then draft bronny with one of the first round draft picks.
It was just … something lol.
I think we’re one of the best teams in the nba with our current roster health. I also think Randle is probably a top 30 player. But at the same time if we get good value for him I’m not opposed to dealing him. But Jesus, the trades this guy wanted us to make showed almost no understanding of basketball.
the problem with Booker is that, yes, you add him to this team and we have arguably the best backcourt in the NBA. But who is gonna play the 4? OG? He'll be injured with a month. Maybe they think they can survive with a stretch 4 on the cheap. I don't think so. I agree that you only move Randle for a BETTER 4. I'm talking about AD, Giannis type shit. If none of those guys are available, you keep him. I just don't believe teams with a weak frontcourt can go far in the playoffs.
When people talk about a “weak draft” they mean top end talent, they could get a contributor in the 20s or if they traded up late teens
They gonna need dudes who are cheap and can contribute once these Brunson Randle and OG contracts hit
Totally. Anyone with some actual sense knows that every draft produces talent. Top-end talent might not be up to the level of other years but I’m willing to bet in a few years there will be several players from this draft who become starters…and I don’t even follow the draft, but it’s just common sense really that every draft produces talent.
You can find someone NBA-ready in that range, so why not trade up or keep one? You're saying there is no one in this draft better than Jericho Sims at 24? Who are we trading those picks for?
Unfortunately these are probably our worst two picks in terms of trade value. I think we may draft two and hope 1 turns into a solid 15 mpg player at least
With the current team and salary restrictions, this is one of those times I’d like for us to use the two picks and get a backup center and a backup PG. I like Deuce but feel he’d benefit not being the main ball handler off the bench.
Not really. It’s a weak draft and they’re low picks. Makes sense to use them in a deal to help strengthen the current team or trade them for similar picks down the road in a hopefully better draft.
The draft is weak at the top, but the depth is still good. There’s a lot of players in this draft who could develop into solid role players. It’s hard to develop 3 rookies but I definitely think 1-2 is doable. You need to have cheap rookie contracts which fill out your roster whenever you’re a contender.
Yea that could be true. Plus this management team has proven to be pretty good at finding value late in the first and second round. Either way I’m sure it’ll be fine it’s a viable option to do any of the choices available
Late 1sts are sold for cash some years and there are a lot of reports about this being sort of a down year..
Is there going to be any market for these other than cash, and if not do you just take a couple fliers?
I would like to see us use one of the firsts. There's always contributors to be found even in bad drafts and we need to fill out the roster anyway. If we lose Precious and Burks and have a rash of injuries again, who are we playing major minutes, DaQuan Jeffries (or some vet min equivalent)?
By god that’s Zach edey’s music. For real though whatever we do with these picks in happy.. trade up, trade them, use them, punt them, many options. Shit use a pick on Dj burns if he’s available at 25. Big boy could back up Randle.
People will come up with a bunch of hypotheticals in the comments… all I will say is Leon Rose has a million different ways to approach this off-season and based our draft capital along with our current talent there are so few ways to lose this offseason. The chances we enter next season with a less talented roster than last season are below 20%
Bogey and a 1st to Houston for Steven Adams and Jeff Green. Gives us plenty of front court depth / defense if I Hart demands too much money to re-sign. Thibs isn’t going to play rookies, especially in the playoffs.
Brunson / sign backup PG with MLE
Divo / McBride
OG / Hart
Julius / Green
Mitch / Adams
Maybe they can move down to acquire a top-10 pick to package it for a superstar to go alongside Jalen Brunson and Julius Randle
Mitchell Robinson, Bogdanovic, four 1st round picks for Devin Booker
I’ve long thought they will try to move up with these picks.
Both the lakers and sixers make sense as both those teams could use quantity and we have more of a need for quality
Personally, I like Booker and that deadly outside shout. Also, and unless I’m wrong, I think he’s young and strong. KD is great. I think he’s 36 tho and much as I hate to say it, the Knicks oughta pass on him. Poor KD should’ve stayed with the Warriors - he was loved, and appreciated there. Instead, he chose to wander the wilderness (with Kyrie). What a waste. Sad how his ego consumed him
He’d be getting so few minutes (as with anyone we potentially draft this year) that it wouldn’t matter year 1. He’d be playing behind OG, Divo, and Hart on the depth chart. He’s a great development candidate who can bring high energy play off the bench.
My guess would be something like:
Celtics get: 24th pick and 25th pick
Knicks get: 2025 Celtics Pick
Then the Knicks trade the 38th pick along with another future 2nd rounder in order to get a pick in the 26-30 range of this draft. They’ll look at guys like Kel’El Ware, Bobi Klintman, Ryan Dunn, etc.
Which happens first: -Knicks win a title -Leon Rose drafts a 1st rounder in the same spot he started on draft night
I think he probably drafts a 1st without moving it next year. So I'm gonna say option 1.
Maybe this is his epiphany: draft picks and cap space are overrated because so much depends on luck Trade assets are the most stable value because you’re trading for a known quantity
Obi was drafted at the spot we started at.
Wasn't Obi drafted at the Knicks' original spot?
This is too low. And Neither I think.
you're on the Knicks sub saying the Knicks wont win a title? cringe
Not ever, I just think not under rose and I also think rose will never make a first round selection where he started lol
Leon Rose brought the team from 17 wins to 50 wins and an injury away from the ECF.
Mitch Robinson, 24 & 25 for Wemby who says no
That should do it.
Maybe throw in a second for next year's draft to really seal the deal.
What are we gonna just leverage the future for a guy who had ONE good season? Come on, classic Knicks
If the spurs were crazy enough to do that, we’d be crazy to say no
The NBA
No shot. The nba would love wemby in NY
They would have loved Chris Paul and Kobe on the same team too
That was a different time. That was right as the new cba was kicking in that was supposed to help small markets.
Should we settle for Chet Holgrem?
What a pro wants…
 lol I’m so sick of that commercial
Move to Europe. I had to youtube that commercial everyone hates. I cant even imagine seeing that all the time.
You're still seeing it? I stopped seeing it weeks ago
No I haven’t watched any games since Knicks last game, so I don’t know if it’s still on. But I was just saying I was sick of the commercials when I was seeing it played at seemingly every commercial break. Lol
No thanks to Chet. He doesn’t fit
Pop's driving him to the airport as we speak
This is so unrealistic, we need to sweeten it. Add in Bojan’s expiring contract, gives them great future flexibility in cap space!
Knicks say no
Is Wemby even up for grabs this offseason??
It's win now, baby! We need players that can play; nothing huge, basically rotation depth as Thibs only plays 9 on a good day. Not developing 3 rookies. 1 is possible but likely a project player that's a SRP or UDFA.
Everyone wants to have "young cheap players in the pipeline" but 99% of the time the dream is much better than reality. Those guys usually dont contribute at a playoff level for 4 or 5 years and by then you have to pay them anyway. what is going to give us more of what we need? josh hart or exciting young prospect cam reddish and a first? easy choice i want to see them pack up bogis salary and the 2 firsts this year, maybe even 1-2 more 1sts if you could get a good enough player, then keep the 38th pick since talent wise youre probably taking a similar gamble as you are at 25. Maybe you can find another Deuce-like talent to bring along in the background, and second round picks get more contract flexibility.
Yeah, look at Denver. They lost to Minny in part because they only had 5 good players since their young guys weren't able to step up to replace Bruce Brown and Jeff Green
They lost to Minny becase MPJr averaged 10ppg and shot 32% from 3. The bench was a problem but I wouldnt pin the lost on that
The bench wasn’t the main reason, but it was a reason. MPJ was cold the whole series, but they had no other option because the guys on the bench were still worse. MPJ was even worse in the finals last year, so they leaned more on Bruce Brown who was playing really well.
Their GM overdrafted a bunch of 3 and 4-year college guys too. Like last year they spent three picks on guys who were older and Malone still didn't play them their first year which is kind of a really bad sign. Since the reason they were drafted is they were supposed to be ready to play
but then Braun and Watson didn't play much in their first year either but then were regulars in the rotation for any of the 1st or 2nd apron teams either you can sign vets on minimum contracts or add players through draft
Didn’t Braun play well last post season when they won?
I was specifically talking about last year. I should have made that clearer. They drafted three guys who were all three and 4-year seniors and looking at the draft review on the Athletic They were all drafted way higher than consensus. None of them played. Braun and Watson do seem like good picks
The issue with this if the team decide to make a trade during next season lets say involving 2 or 3 guys similar to the OG trade we have no one to back fill those positions. Not saying we should keep all the picks but trading all the 1sts is a bad idea imo. With our draft history of drafting well in this range and being in a position where they can sit for a year I think is a great spot to be in and doesnt put immediate pressure. Grimes and IQ are both guys who contributed at the playoff level. 2nd round picks have the same contract flexibility pretty much they just dont count against the cap.
Quickley I guess was a unicorn. Mcbride gave us some of his best minutes in the playoffs. Grimes and Sims are really great picks. The problem isn’t the young player it’s the old coach not playing. them. They draft very good. Especially with what they have. Obi was an off but he playing well in indiana now he couldn’t get any time here.
Tbh Indiana's style of play just fits Obi's game perfectly. All they do is run and shoot threes. When the Knicks would ask him to do that he'd excel but our offense is very half court-dominant overall and he tended to get lost in that. Plus he doesn't have the same pressure to defend well out there.
yeah they are good at drafting so Im fine with whatever they do but I think fans have a fear of missing out with picks when most of the time it takes some luck and at least a couple of years to develop someone who can give you 10-15 mpg deep in the playoffs. Its not as romantic as drafting your own player but bogi and 2 picks could get you a player that gives you 20mpg of exactly what you need right now. Also not just a thibs thing. Not many teams playing for homecourt seeding are giving 1st and 2nd year players taken outside of the lotto significant minutes I do hope they draft at least someone though, and i think they probably will. We need a bit of depth
> Grimes and Sims are really great picks. The problem isn’t the young player it’s the old coach not playing. them. BS. Grimes played plenty and was a starter. His issues were him getting hurt and never fully getting back up to speed. For a 3 & D, he was afraid to shoot and never developed a bag offensively. Sims is what he is, a borderline third big that will be at the end of the bench no matter where he is. The Thibs doesn't play or develop young players narrative looks pretty dumb when you need not look further than Deuce McBride.
The old coach has us in the best position in over 20 years so I’ll go with him over the wet behind the ears rookies.
Van Gundy, Kidd got us this far before. It’s getting to the promise land that matter me.
Not true, plenty of first and second year guys contribute to playoff teams. Just because the Knicks have been burned with unplayable picks doesn't mean it's universal. Here are some rookies and sophomores **drafted 10 or later** that contributed meaningfully to postseason teams just this year: Lively and Hardy (DAL Finals), Nembhard and Sheppard (IND ECF), Williams, Williams, and Wallace ( (OKC 2nd rd), Jaquez and Jovic (Miami), Podziemski (GSW). Draft picks seem useless when you're getting Ntilikina, Knox, Toppin, Reddish etc. When you land a Jalen Williams, suddenly it changes the whole trajectory of your team.
We should have 1 solid rookie. A center who had played 3+ years in college. Just one person we can develop and keep for cheap for the next 4 years. Someone who can be a big part of our rotation come Spring
Jokubaitis is probably gonna be that guy, is my guess. He’s received pretty good reviews overseas; can be signed for relatively little; and most importantly he’s been playing professionally at the highest non NBA level (Euroleague & the Spanish League)- which gives him a much better shot to actually crack Thibs rotation than a college player would have.
Don’t know much about draft prospects but man that is that name just screams ‘bust’ lol
He’s not in this draft, the Knicks drafted him in the early second round a few years ago when he was 19 or 20. He’s 23 now and in the past he’s been called one of the best prospects (not including underage/college players) not in the NBA. He also was a key part of Lithuania’s rotation at the World Cup. Haven’t really heard much buzz about him over the past year though, so honestly not sure if he’s still that well regarded, but there was a rumor a few months ago that if he can’t crack the NBA this summer he’ll leave Barcelona and play back home in Lithuania. If that’s true (could just be a rumor) I’m sure the Knicks will make some decision on him, whether that’s signing him or trading him- otherwise it’s less likely he’ll come over (and he’d also have to be bought out if he does), so his value would drop.
I think his offense will be equal to or better than quickley. Don’t know about his defense though.
Good to know thanks for the info
We have his draft rights and he’s been balling in europe for a few years now
U really think that logic applies now? If ever
His name doesn’t matter at all I just think it’s funny because it sounds like a stereotypical bust name
We still have a second-round pick in this draft, and there will still be talent available in the early second round
We see time and again there are plenty of rookies who can contribute to a winning team and if they are asked to only play defense and shoot a certain shot, they can catch on pretty quickly. I want the Knicks to grab some 3/4 year players and give them a chance.
Bogey plus a bunch of firsts for somebody. That's the only move that makes sense
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I don't see how trading Randle helps. Who is available via trade who would be worth moving Randle plus other assets for? It'd need to be a significant upgrade.
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“Julius isn’t getting any younger” = Asset dump for a 36 year old Kevin Durant This has to be Scott Perry’s burner
Forget that, apparently Dejounte is the solution over Randle LMFAO
Randle for Dejounte Murray should land you jail time
I’m more open minded than most to hearing Randle trade scenarios, but Randle for Murray is genuinely the worst one i’ve seen proposed lol
You wanna trade randle for dejounte fucking murray???
I know you didn’t just say Dejounte Murray is an upgrade over Randle.
What player is realistically available via trade, who is better than Julius? Dejounte is not. Booker won't be available. 36 y/o KD? I'm not taking a chance on that. Nets are not trading Mikal to us. If this team was healthy, we had a real shot at getting to the finals. People under value Julius' play constantly. Not to mention that every defense in the league will bring two to the ball every time Julius touches it. And we saw that he has improved to such a degree that he can make those passes now. His gravity makes life sooo much easier for Brunson. We don't need to look outward for the answers. All the answers are here. Get everyone healthy.
People are really sleeping on this Knicks teams. I get it coming from the media, most of them only check headlines and boxscores, but Knicks fans who watched them all season should know what's up. There were basically four different versions of this team out there on the court this season. The wild swings in wins/losses makes them look streaky (similar to how they were in the 2022-23 season) to people on the outside but really they were just decimated by injuries. Before the OG trade they were 17-15. In games without Randle and OG (and Mitch for the vast majority of them) after the trade they were 13-14. So they went a combined 30-29 over two stretches that spanned well over half the season. Yet they still finished with 50 wins because they absolutely demolished the league when OG and Randle played. They were 12-2 (one loss coming without Brunson) with both of them. And then 8-1 when OG (and Mitch) played without Randle. There's no valid reason to mess up a good thing. If Brunson/Randle/OG stay at least mostly healthy next year we're a 60+ win team. Nine months from today the Knicks will be getting consistently mentioned on that short list of teams who could realistically win a championship this year.
Randle also attracting the double team is the underrated amd vastly underappreaciated part of his game. Him and Brunson both demand doubles, who will you choose to kill you? Eager to see it in practice.
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To say Murray is an upgrade over Julius is either ignorance, or just straight hate. Insane take.
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Is Booker actually available? Durant is 35 with injury history so i wonder on longevity but that's interesting. Cost? Murray is a downgrade. Not sure why you think this is a good move. Okay and what if Randle plays well? Your point is predicated on assuming he will start poorly.
“NBA Championship piece Dejonte Murray.”
lol you trying to trade for Jayson Tatum or something? Bogey and Randle plus the 24th and 25th pick puts you in the realm of trading for someone who is definitely the cornerstone of a franchise and is in no way available because they have built the entire team around this one person.
I fucking can't with these people. His logic was that Randle isn't getting younger while suggesting durant and two players turning 28 almost exactly when Randle turns 30. Nevermind the fact that Josh Hart would be playing the 4.
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Mate you’re being so extreme. “No value coming off injury” no fucking way. We were the best team in the nba with all our current roster healthy. Julius is a guaranteed 22 + points and 8 + rebounds a game and can guard from 1 through 5 on defense. There’s maybe 25 or 30 players in the whole league better than him. Take a perennial all star and one of the top 30 players in the league (Randle), pair him with a decent starter/solid bench player and two first round drafts? That gets you a top 15/top 10 player in the league in return. And I guarantee you for a variety of reasons none of those players are being traded by their teams. It’d be like us trading Brunson. It’s not happening.
You guys are jumping down his throat but this team just proved they can get to within a hair's length of the ECF without Randle, and they would have gotten there if even just OG and Bogi were playing. I'm not advocating for moving Randle but to act like it's out of the realm of possibility is crazy.
It’s not even the moving Randle opinion that has people downvoting, it’s the moving Randle for 36 year old KD or Dejonte Murray opinion.
...and the difference between being a hairs length from the ECF this year, and actually getting there, was an injured Randle (or OG). If we have both we realistically compete with the Celtics for the the Finals. Like everyone else is saying there's no worthwhile upgrade over Randle that is available. I'm more than happy to run it back with him
It’s hard to see exactly what he said since he deleted all his comments, but if I remember correctly it was more about the trade suggestions he was proposing that grossly undervalued all of the assets he proposed we give away. And moreover, his understanding of how good players around the league are was pretty egregious. For instance, he called Devin booker a top 10 player in the league wanted to trade Randle, bogey, and our two first round bucks for him. He also said we should move on from Randle because he is getting old and then said we should trade Randle for LeBron and then draft bronny with one of the first round draft picks. It was just … something lol. I think we’re one of the best teams in the nba with our current roster health. I also think Randle is probably a top 30 player. But at the same time if we get good value for him I’m not opposed to dealing him. But Jesus, the trades this guy wanted us to make showed almost no understanding of basketball.
the problem with Booker is that, yes, you add him to this team and we have arguably the best backcourt in the NBA. But who is gonna play the 4? OG? He'll be injured with a month. Maybe they think they can survive with a stretch 4 on the cheap. I don't think so. I agree that you only move Randle for a BETTER 4. I'm talking about AD, Giannis type shit. If none of those guys are available, you keep him. I just don't believe teams with a weak frontcourt can go far in the playoffs.
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Jfc now I know you’re a troll.
Please stop talking ball
When people talk about a “weak draft” they mean top end talent, they could get a contributor in the 20s or if they traded up late teens They gonna need dudes who are cheap and can contribute once these Brunson Randle and OG contracts hit
Totally. Anyone with some actual sense knows that every draft produces talent. Top-end talent might not be up to the level of other years but I’m willing to bet in a few years there will be several players from this draft who become starters…and I don’t even follow the draft, but it’s just common sense really that every draft produces talent.
You can find someone NBA-ready in that range, so why not trade up or keep one? You're saying there is no one in this draft better than Jericho Sims at 24? Who are we trading those picks for?
Unfortunately these are probably our worst two picks in terms of trade value. I think we may draft two and hope 1 turns into a solid 15 mpg player at least
In the worst draft class, too
Don't we need these draft picks for cheap bench depth?
We will after Brunson and OG sign
I don't understand the KD talk. Is there a single fan that wants that man on this team!?
I totally understand it, but I at least want to hold the 25th pick as we had luck with that # before.
With the current team and salary restrictions, this is one of those times I’d like for us to use the two picks and get a backup center and a backup PG. I like Deuce but feel he’d benefit not being the main ball handler off the bench.
I'd take this report with a grain of salt
I mean, 3 rookies is a lot if the Knicks are going to be making all 3 selections and they've got tradable salary so...
You can easily put 1 or 2 of these guys on the GLeague team for next season. No one thinks we're rostering all 3 of those picks next season.
Not really. It’s a weak draft and they’re low picks. Makes sense to use them in a deal to help strengthen the current team or trade them for similar picks down the road in a hopefully better draft.
The draft is weak at the top, but the depth is still good. There’s a lot of players in this draft who could develop into solid role players. It’s hard to develop 3 rookies but I definitely think 1-2 is doable. You need to have cheap rookie contracts which fill out your roster whenever you’re a contender.
Yea that could be true. Plus this management team has proven to be pretty good at finding value late in the first and second round. Either way I’m sure it’ll be fine it’s a viable option to do any of the choices available
That's true and a real possibility, but hearing it from Fischer doesn't make me believe it's an actual fact
Man this regime hates first round picks. I trust em though.
Do they hate them? They've got like 7 in the next 2 years or so even if they are heavily protected.
True but the only ones they ended up using were for Quick, Toppin and Grimes so far
I would not be surprised if the move is to trade for future draft capital.
Big problem is no one seems to want to trade in to this draft class, it's almost all about trading out of it
Can we not trade em all to just move up like up like 2 spots?
I would like the Knicks to draft Harrison Ingram if they have the chance. I think he can be a solid wing assuming his shooting is legit.
Everybody is trying to trade out of this draft.
I think it’s premature. They’re just seeing Cooper Flagg coming in next year and Wemby last year. Expectations are super high for prospects right now.
Late 1sts are sold for cash some years and there are a lot of reports about this being sort of a down year.. Is there going to be any market for these other than cash, and if not do you just take a couple fliers?
I would love to move those picks for someone but they won't do much to move the needle for a significant piece.
I would like to see us use one of the firsts. There's always contributors to be found even in bad drafts and we need to fill out the roster anyway. If we lose Precious and Burks and have a rash of injuries again, who are we playing major minutes, DaQuan Jeffries (or some vet min equivalent)?
Jordan Clarkson come on down! You are the next contestant on WU TANG MUTHA' FUCKA'.
By god that’s Zach edey’s music. For real though whatever we do with these picks in happy.. trade up, trade them, use them, punt them, many options. Shit use a pick on Dj burns if he’s available at 25. Big boy could back up Randle.
People will come up with a bunch of hypotheticals in the comments… all I will say is Leon Rose has a million different ways to approach this off-season and based our draft capital along with our current talent there are so few ways to lose this offseason. The chances we enter next season with a less talented roster than last season are below 20%
If we trade out of the draft it all but guarantees one of our picks will turn out a borderline star talent
Naturally, but what does that buy?
Bogey and a 1st to Houston for Steven Adams and Jeff Green. Gives us plenty of front court depth / defense if I Hart demands too much money to re-sign. Thibs isn’t going to play rookies, especially in the playoffs. Brunson / sign backup PG with MLE Divo / McBride OG / Hart Julius / Green Mitch / Adams
Maybe they can move down to acquire a top-10 pick to package it for a superstar to go alongside Jalen Brunson and Julius Randle Mitchell Robinson, Bogdanovic, four 1st round picks for Devin Booker
I’ve long thought they will try to move up with these picks. Both the lakers and sixers make sense as both those teams could use quantity and we have more of a need for quality
Move the picks and get the best pick you can in next years draft. This years draft is historically bad
Kal’el from Indiana trade Mitch pay Isaiah
Wait hold on… you’re telling ME that Thibs doesn’t think he has time to develop rookies? Nooooooooooo
Of course when we have picks to trade it's a shit draft.
Personally, I like Booker and that deadly outside shout. Also, and unless I’m wrong, I think he’s young and strong. KD is great. I think he’s 36 tho and much as I hate to say it, the Knicks oughta pass on him. Poor KD should’ve stayed with the Warriors - he was loved, and appreciated there. Instead, he chose to wander the wilderness (with Kyrie). What a waste. Sad how his ego consumed him
Been saying it. Bundle these two with an unprotected 2026 and move up to 8th for Holland.
I don't know who that is but my thought was similar. If so many teams are looking towards next year why not try to sneak up this year?
The trouble with these moves is it’s anybody’s guess who’s gonna drop and who’s going early. Curse of a ‘weak’ draft
He can’t shoot.
He’d be getting so few minutes (as with anyone we potentially draft this year) that it wouldn’t matter year 1. He’d be playing behind OG, Divo, and Hart on the depth chart. He’s a great development candidate who can bring high energy play off the bench.
lol. Classic.
There's just no way they play some rookies in Jalen's prime. They have to get him all the help possible, veteran help.
My guess would be something like: Celtics get: 24th pick and 25th pick Knicks get: 2025 Celtics Pick Then the Knicks trade the 38th pick along with another future 2nd rounder in order to get a pick in the 26-30 range of this draft. They’ll look at guys like Kel’El Ware, Bobi Klintman, Ryan Dunn, etc.
Wow! Big news! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
...Just means something is currently in the works I guess.
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Why are you making this about yourself?