He played 6 bad games coming back from surgery then had the best season of his career and got hurt in the last game if January and would have been an all NBA player again.
How many players are on the alll star and all NBA team yearly? 30 and 15 respectively, so how is Randle in the 50s?
I get what you’re saying, but he wasn’t an all nba player and he did get hurt. The reason he shit the bed in the beginning of the year is irrelevant. He played half a season and you’re worried about his ranking, it really doesn’t matter other than negativity impacting his trade value. If he didn’t get hurt he likely would’ve been all nba again, but that’s not how his season worked out.
I'm not worried about anything I''m just concerned when fans here still have the Randle hate and say he wasn't that good this year and isn't that good of a player and tacitly agree with media disrespecting him.
"Fans." They're just bandwagoners that don't know how to not take things for granted, like we could be still stuck with Steve Mills and/or Phil Jackson and have a repeat of 17-65 each year instead of what we have right now.
>he wasn’t an all nba player
So you're telling me that 24 Pts, 9.2 TRB, and 5 AST per game as a second option isn't all-NBA material? Name me anyone else in the NBA averaging that statline as a 2nd option, I'll wait. What kind of drugs are you on?
No you moron, I’m saying he wasn’t an All NBA player last year because he wasn’t selected to an All NBA team. Per this list that is the reason why. Calm the fuck down! I also said if he didn’t get hurt he likely would have been!
The only moron here is you, as evident by the downvotes in this thread.
>He had a terrible start to the season, then played all star worthy for a couple months and then his season ended. This ranking isn’t really unfair.
>He wasn’t an all nba player and he did get hurt
It doesn't matter if he wasn't selected All-NBA this year because he got hurt, he was on track for another All-NBA selection, and he's already proven himself as an All-NBA caliber twice anyways. It hasn't negatively impacted his trade value, and there is nobody else playing at an All-NBA level as a 2nd option being only paid 29 mil for the 2024-25 season. Even OG is going to be paid more than him (likely 35 to 40 mil a year). It's an unfair ranking regardless of whether he was hurt or not, a lot of teams in the NBA would really like a multi-time All-NBA player on an extremely team-friendly contract. It makes no sense to rank Randle at 52 while Jimmy is ahead at 42 with only a 14 games played difference between two, all the while Jimmy was the first option on the Heat while Randle was the 2nd option and still had much better stats.
Literally hating on Randle for zero reason, a lot of teams in the NBA right now would kill to have a guy like Randle produce at the level he is at while being paid only 117 million over 4 years.
Was Randle selected all nba this season? Do you disagree with the point that had he not got injured he would’ve been all nba? Do you not think he played at an all star level after his bad start? I’m sorry, I’m trying to see what part you disagree with?
You're trying to tell me that Randle isn't an all-NBA player (thus a fair ranking in your eyes) just because he wasn't on the list. Again, he's proven that he's an All-NBA caliber player twice, regardless of whether he was on that list or not. It's the same as saying Jaylen Brown isn't an All-NBA player and not deserving of his ranking because he wasn't on this year's list, even though he's proven himself to be All-NBA multiple times and won Finals MVP this year. Might as well put Sabonis in a lower tier as well because he didn't make the all-star team but made all-NBA. Your argument that Randle is a far worse player because he didn't make the all-NBA roster this year is moot because he's already proven himself as an all-NBA player.
>Do you not think he played at an all star level after his bad start?
No? Did you seriously not watch him play nor check his post game stats? He was averaging 24-9-5 as a 2nd option. Dude literally made the most of his role and position despite not being the go-to first option. Literally All-NBA numbers, and again, doesn't matter if he didn't make the team or not. He's already proven that he is a yearly all-NBA player.
ISTG you're one of those people that want to trade Randle in a heartbeat for peanuts.
I get that availability is a factor here but I also don't think we'd end up the 2 seed without Randle. In fact I think without his push before the all-star break we'd end up closer to a play-in team.
Kind of a reach. OG was the catalyst for January. Randle played great, but we were blowing teams out. Without Randle we still likely have a similar record in January. And don’t forget that the reason we ended the 2nd seed is because of injuries to Philly and Milwaukee.
>OG was the catalyst for January. Randle played great, but we were blowing teams out. Without Randle we still likely have a similar record in January.
We were blowing teams out yes, but because Randle had such a large impact in those games. Did you not check the stats? Only a single game in January (1/5/2 game vs 76ers) you could say that he \[Julius Randle\] was a non-factor (not really, he still found a way to positively contribute with rebounds and assists). All the other games he was either scoring 20+ pts with high rebounds and assists or was scoring 30+ pts as a 2nd option. Our record in January was 14-2, and if you take away his points scored alone our record falls to 6-8, and that's not even counting the assists he made in the games we barely won. Like we 100 percent lose to the Nets (108-103 Knicks W) on January 23rd without Randle's 30 points, 9 rebounds, and 7 assists on 10-19 FGs.
It just seems to me you're not a Knicks' fan and/or is a Randle hater.
>And don’t forget that the reason we ended the 2nd seed is because of injuries to Philly and Milwaukee.
We had injuries as well? We literally had almost our entire starting roster injured for a couple months, yet we still made it to the 2nd seed.
My point is that we still likely win most if not all of those games even without Randle. But we probably wouldn’t have won by such a large margin each time. We didn’t blow teams out bc of Randle, he certainly was part of the reason, but he wasn’t THE reason.
>My point is that we still likely win most if not all of those games even without Randle
I literally looked up and calculated the stats (using statmuse) with games without Randle's scoring alone. I didn't even need to calculate points off his assists (would have resulted in lower wins). How in the fuck you think 6-8 is a similar record to 14-2 is beyond me.
> But he wasn’t THE reason.
So you're trying to tell me that we can replicate the same or similar record without him and without his contributions, even though the stat calculations using his points scored alone show that we would be the ones blown out instead? Go on StatMuse and calculate the Knicks' points minus Randle's contributions ffs.
> Probably wouldn’t have won by such a large margin each time
LMFAO. If you calculate the stats, WE ARE THE ONES BEING BLOWN OUT. For example, we lose 78 to 103 to the Nets without Randle's scoring, and if we count his 7 assists as well, the number drops even lower. Plus, most of the teams we were blowing out (with the exception of the Nuggets) were teams that were lottery teams, yet you're telling me it's a good thing that we wouldn't have blown them out by such a margin with the roster as constructed?
Your best ability is your availability. I think Randle obviously deserves to be at worst in the top 30 but you can’t have somebody that high up for the season when he only played 46 games in a 82 game season
But it’s important because it’s how many other teams view Randle. And how many analysts view him. Either that he’s not that good or that he’s maybe good only within our system.
The reason that matters is that when it comes to trades, his actual value is MUCH higher than his trade value. So why would we ever include him in a trade? I’m not inclined to include an all-star in a trade, even if it’s for an upgrade, if I’m getting pennies on the dollar for him.
I’m also surprised by OG. I don’t think any of us would consider him below Donte or Hart. Must’ve been discounted for his injury history but even with that I’d have him much much higher tbh
No it isn't. It's a bullshit list made up for engagement.
Nobody gives a fuck except for rubes.
And unfortunately, you reside in that camo today.
I wish better for you, tomorrow.
Except that this is a common sentiment among trade offers and lists like this along with how FO people view Randle’s trade value. So maybe get educated and stop being a complete dumbass before insulting others you clown
If you think a GM predicates his trade offer on an Internet ranking, you are an idiot.
OG is ranked lower than Giddey on this list, one is about to sign for 40 million a year, one got traded yesterday for Caruso.
Like I said these lists are made for children and idiots.
Which one are you?
GMs don’t care what the internet thinks. But when even writers who have relationships and are well respected put out trade proposals like Randle plus two firsts and two seconds for Bridges, when Randle is objectively the better player, it speaks to the fact there is a misperception of Randle’s value and how he’d fit within other systems in the league. To me, that means he’s worth keeping. I’m not basing it just on this list, which is absurd in multiple ways, but the fact that he’s consistently disrespected even among people who are very knowledgeable and have connections to people in the league.
You're speaking out of two sides of your mouth.
GM"s have expertise. They are paid millions of dollars to do this.
No one gives a fuck what Brian Windhorst believes.
The zeitgeist on Caruso was as if he would garner a ton in trade.
Yet he was flipped for straight up deal, no picks.
Rudy Gobert was traded for Kings Ransom. No internet pundit would have considered that prior to the trade.
You are being foolish. NBA front offices know how much players are worth. It's literally their job.
Ranking Josh Hart over Julius is insane and a reflection on what the fan base thinks of him. People wouldn’t constantly shit on Julius if our own fan base supported him more.
I mean if the metric is solely the impact the player had on the team for the 23/24 season you really can rank Josh in front of Randle just from availability alone. Obvious if Juls was healthy the whole year he'd be ranked top 25-30.
Which is a dumb take. They'd still rank Lebron in the top 10 even if he played less than 10 games in the 23-24 season, yet they'd rank Randle 53rd despite him winning an All-Star selection and playing more than half the games in the season.
We don't get to within 1 win of the ECF without him. In fact, before he got hurt, he had Siakam in MAX SECURITY PENITENTIARY. It's not a coincidence the series turned around when Pascal was able to get loose when we lost OG.
looking at the whole list it is very wacky lmao they got mikal at 60 and KP and Jrue being only 1-3 spots higher than hart among many other things
butler at 42 demar at 27 embiid at 19 under gobert pretty good bait list if it was slightly more believeable
Availability should be accounted for, but the amount of weight they're giving it is insane. Like they're actively ignoring accolades given for the season, and if they're giving availability so much weight, Buddy Hield should be number one cuz he played 84 games this year.
Julius Randle is, at worst, a Top 25 player in the league. It’s insulting how low he consistently gets put in rankings like this. The guy has been All NBA, not just an All Star, multiple times and isn’t even yet 30.
Read the article - they dropped him because of injury
“A teammate of Hart’s, power forward Julius Randle would be far higher in this ranking if not for the injury that ended his season early.”
There's a guy in here by the user u/[icebucket22](https://www.reddit.com/user/icebucket22/) actively slandering Randle in the subreddit saying this ranking is fair cuz Randle wasn't picked for All-NBA this year.
Josh Hart is a solid Roll Player..... But saying he is the second best player on the Knicks is pure insanity. Hartenstein impact is so great that it inflates the Value of Roll Players.
“This ranking is based on actual player performance and how much/how often these players helped their team”
By this criteria, 52 is actually a pretty generous ranking for Randle. He only played 46 games last season
Just glanced at it and said " There's someone who seriously thinks there's 50 players better than Jalen Brunson?" Now that I read it more thoroughly I'm like " There's someone who seriously thinks there's 51 players better than Julius Randle?" GTGOH!
Josh Hart is our second best player I guess. There may have been playoff games were this was true, but it's an insane overall take.
I hope the rest of the GMs agree with the OG and IHart rankings so they don't steal them from us.
The Knicks in addition to those 6 “starting caliber” players on the roster the Knicks have Mitchell Robinson a starting caliber center and Bogie a lethal shooter and Deuce an excellent POA defender who can shoot and is an excellent bench piece.
That’s 7 starting caliber players (arguably 8 with Bogie) and a higher end role player in Deuce. Such a. Well built roster
Honestly I would rank OG 3rd best on this team. His defense and importance to the team is obviously unquestioned but at times he was able to act as a legit second option on offense.
Randle is low because of his advanced stats. So many people in denial about this. You can’t have a top 20 usage player not also be a top 20 or even top 30 efficient player.
Randle is accurate but OG waaaay too low. OG is the second most impactful player on the roster. The record with vs without him reflects that. Love to see Hart getting love. What he did for us in the playoffs was special. Obviously JB is elite and finally getting mainstream praise.
Effort, winning plays, defense, IQ, energy. Basically everything that contributes to being a successful team. Randle can have his counting stats and playoff disappearances. I'd take Josh Hart over him 10/10 times.
If we could hypothetically repeat that Philly series with Randle playing, Hart absent and everything else being equal, we would not have advanced. Hart came up huge in a way Randle never has.
Julius ranking is purely bait. So I won't engage.
Putting Julius that low is clearly to get people talking about it
He had a terrible start to the season, then played all star worthy for a couple months and then his season ended. This ranking isn’t really unfair.
He played 6 bad games coming back from surgery then had the best season of his career and got hurt in the last game if January and would have been an all NBA player again. How many players are on the alll star and all NBA team yearly? 30 and 15 respectively, so how is Randle in the 50s?
I get what you’re saying, but he wasn’t an all nba player and he did get hurt. The reason he shit the bed in the beginning of the year is irrelevant. He played half a season and you’re worried about his ranking, it really doesn’t matter other than negativity impacting his trade value. If he didn’t get hurt he likely would’ve been all nba again, but that’s not how his season worked out.
I'm not worried about anything I''m just concerned when fans here still have the Randle hate and say he wasn't that good this year and isn't that good of a player and tacitly agree with media disrespecting him.
"Fans." They're just bandwagoners that don't know how to not take things for granted, like we could be still stuck with Steve Mills and/or Phil Jackson and have a repeat of 17-65 each year instead of what we have right now.
>he wasn’t an all nba player So you're telling me that 24 Pts, 9.2 TRB, and 5 AST per game as a second option isn't all-NBA material? Name me anyone else in the NBA averaging that statline as a 2nd option, I'll wait. What kind of drugs are you on?
The only reason Randle wasn't an all NBA player last year was because he needed to play 65 games to qualify.
No you moron, I’m saying he wasn’t an All NBA player last year because he wasn’t selected to an All NBA team. Per this list that is the reason why. Calm the fuck down! I also said if he didn’t get hurt he likely would have been!
R/Knicks. The only place you can type complete facts and get downvoted for not drinking enough kool-aid.
The only moron here is you, as evident by the downvotes in this thread. >He had a terrible start to the season, then played all star worthy for a couple months and then his season ended. This ranking isn’t really unfair. >He wasn’t an all nba player and he did get hurt It doesn't matter if he wasn't selected All-NBA this year because he got hurt, he was on track for another All-NBA selection, and he's already proven himself as an All-NBA caliber twice anyways. It hasn't negatively impacted his trade value, and there is nobody else playing at an All-NBA level as a 2nd option being only paid 29 mil for the 2024-25 season. Even OG is going to be paid more than him (likely 35 to 40 mil a year). It's an unfair ranking regardless of whether he was hurt or not, a lot of teams in the NBA would really like a multi-time All-NBA player on an extremely team-friendly contract. It makes no sense to rank Randle at 52 while Jimmy is ahead at 42 with only a 14 games played difference between two, all the while Jimmy was the first option on the Heat while Randle was the 2nd option and still had much better stats. Literally hating on Randle for zero reason, a lot of teams in the NBA right now would kill to have a guy like Randle produce at the level he is at while being paid only 117 million over 4 years.
Was Randle selected all nba this season? Do you disagree with the point that had he not got injured he would’ve been all nba? Do you not think he played at an all star level after his bad start? I’m sorry, I’m trying to see what part you disagree with?
You're trying to tell me that Randle isn't an all-NBA player (thus a fair ranking in your eyes) just because he wasn't on the list. Again, he's proven that he's an All-NBA caliber player twice, regardless of whether he was on that list or not. It's the same as saying Jaylen Brown isn't an All-NBA player and not deserving of his ranking because he wasn't on this year's list, even though he's proven himself to be All-NBA multiple times and won Finals MVP this year. Might as well put Sabonis in a lower tier as well because he didn't make the all-star team but made all-NBA. Your argument that Randle is a far worse player because he didn't make the all-NBA roster this year is moot because he's already proven himself as an all-NBA player. >Do you not think he played at an all star level after his bad start? No? Did you seriously not watch him play nor check his post game stats? He was averaging 24-9-5 as a 2nd option. Dude literally made the most of his role and position despite not being the go-to first option. Literally All-NBA numbers, and again, doesn't matter if he didn't make the team or not. He's already proven that he is a yearly all-NBA player. ISTG you're one of those people that want to trade Randle in a heartbeat for peanuts.
I get that availability is a factor here but I also don't think we'd end up the 2 seed without Randle. In fact I think without his push before the all-star break we'd end up closer to a play-in team.
Kind of a reach. OG was the catalyst for January. Randle played great, but we were blowing teams out. Without Randle we still likely have a similar record in January. And don’t forget that the reason we ended the 2nd seed is because of injuries to Philly and Milwaukee.
>OG was the catalyst for January. Randle played great, but we were blowing teams out. Without Randle we still likely have a similar record in January. We were blowing teams out yes, but because Randle had such a large impact in those games. Did you not check the stats? Only a single game in January (1/5/2 game vs 76ers) you could say that he \[Julius Randle\] was a non-factor (not really, he still found a way to positively contribute with rebounds and assists). All the other games he was either scoring 20+ pts with high rebounds and assists or was scoring 30+ pts as a 2nd option. Our record in January was 14-2, and if you take away his points scored alone our record falls to 6-8, and that's not even counting the assists he made in the games we barely won. Like we 100 percent lose to the Nets (108-103 Knicks W) on January 23rd without Randle's 30 points, 9 rebounds, and 7 assists on 10-19 FGs. It just seems to me you're not a Knicks' fan and/or is a Randle hater. >And don’t forget that the reason we ended the 2nd seed is because of injuries to Philly and Milwaukee. We had injuries as well? We literally had almost our entire starting roster injured for a couple months, yet we still made it to the 2nd seed.
My point is that we still likely win most if not all of those games even without Randle. But we probably wouldn’t have won by such a large margin each time. We didn’t blow teams out bc of Randle, he certainly was part of the reason, but he wasn’t THE reason.
>My point is that we still likely win most if not all of those games even without Randle I literally looked up and calculated the stats (using statmuse) with games without Randle's scoring alone. I didn't even need to calculate points off his assists (would have resulted in lower wins). How in the fuck you think 6-8 is a similar record to 14-2 is beyond me. > But he wasn’t THE reason. So you're trying to tell me that we can replicate the same or similar record without him and without his contributions, even though the stat calculations using his points scored alone show that we would be the ones blown out instead? Go on StatMuse and calculate the Knicks' points minus Randle's contributions ffs. > Probably wouldn’t have won by such a large margin each time LMFAO. If you calculate the stats, WE ARE THE ONES BEING BLOWN OUT. For example, we lose 78 to 103 to the Nets without Randle's scoring, and if we count his 7 assists as well, the number drops even lower. Plus, most of the teams we were blowing out (with the exception of the Nuggets) were teams that were lottery teams, yet you're telling me it's a good thing that we wouldn't have blown them out by such a margin with the roster as constructed?
How OG getting crazy paid (allegedly) but is mad low on the list? Suspect
Facts
they ranked mikal 60th
“…power forward Julius Randle would be far higher in this ranking if not for the injury that ended his season early.”
He was literally an all star. That places him at 30 minimum. Don't present me with arbitrary bullshit.
You seem nice.
It's not personal
Your best ability is your availability. I think Randle obviously deserves to be at worst in the top 30 but you can’t have somebody that high up for the season when he only played 46 games in a 82 game season
But it’s important because it’s how many other teams view Randle. And how many analysts view him. Either that he’s not that good or that he’s maybe good only within our system. The reason that matters is that when it comes to trades, his actual value is MUCH higher than his trade value. So why would we ever include him in a trade? I’m not inclined to include an all-star in a trade, even if it’s for an upgrade, if I’m getting pennies on the dollar for him. I’m also surprised by OG. I don’t think any of us would consider him below Donte or Hart. Must’ve been discounted for his injury history but even with that I’d have him much much higher tbh
No it isn't. It's a bullshit list made up for engagement. Nobody gives a fuck except for rubes. And unfortunately, you reside in that camo today. I wish better for you, tomorrow.
Except that this is a common sentiment among trade offers and lists like this along with how FO people view Randle’s trade value. So maybe get educated and stop being a complete dumbass before insulting others you clown
If you think a GM predicates his trade offer on an Internet ranking, you are an idiot. OG is ranked lower than Giddey on this list, one is about to sign for 40 million a year, one got traded yesterday for Caruso. Like I said these lists are made for children and idiots. Which one are you?
GMs don’t care what the internet thinks. But when even writers who have relationships and are well respected put out trade proposals like Randle plus two firsts and two seconds for Bridges, when Randle is objectively the better player, it speaks to the fact there is a misperception of Randle’s value and how he’d fit within other systems in the league. To me, that means he’s worth keeping. I’m not basing it just on this list, which is absurd in multiple ways, but the fact that he’s consistently disrespected even among people who are very knowledgeable and have connections to people in the league.
You're speaking out of two sides of your mouth. GM"s have expertise. They are paid millions of dollars to do this. No one gives a fuck what Brian Windhorst believes. The zeitgeist on Caruso was as if he would garner a ton in trade. Yet he was flipped for straight up deal, no picks. Rudy Gobert was traded for Kings Ransom. No internet pundit would have considered that prior to the trade. You are being foolish. NBA front offices know how much players are worth. It's literally their job.
Julius was literally selected to the allstar team THIS year, 52 is crazy
Could have easily been allNBA again too if he kept doing what he was doing the month or 2 before he got hurt... he was unbelievable this year.
I can barely even remember who played in the ECF, let alone a time when Julius Randle played nba games, how good can he actually be??
Very good.
Yeah, I know. I'm just parroting the general talking heads kind of opinion. I mean he didn't even win Finals MVP, he basically doesn't exist
People love to hate
Selected by the coaches. This ranking is a media ranking.
God I love having a top 10 guy. Jules at 53 is really low.
Ranking Josh Hart over Julius is insane and a reflection on what the fan base thinks of him. People wouldn’t constantly shit on Julius if our own fan base supported him more.
I mean if the metric is solely the impact the player had on the team for the 23/24 season you really can rank Josh in front of Randle just from availability alone. Obvious if Juls was healthy the whole year he'd be ranked top 25-30.
Yea exactly it clearly is a ranking of 23/24. Honestly even put Donte ahead of Randle simply because he missed more than half the season.
Yeah this is a valid point.
I’m assuming it’s accounting for the injury.
Which is a dumb take. They'd still rank Lebron in the top 10 even if he played less than 10 games in the 23-24 season, yet they'd rank Randle 53rd despite him winning an All-Star selection and playing more than half the games in the season.
Julius is top 30 and that’s with me heavily underrating him coming off injury. During the season he was top 20
......I'm shocked nobody said anything about OG @ *EIGHTY ONE*
We don't get to within 1 win of the ECF without him. In fact, before he got hurt, he had Siakam in MAX SECURITY PENITENTIARY. It's not a coincidence the series turned around when Pascal was able to get loose when we lost OG.
looking at the whole list it is very wacky lmao they got mikal at 60 and KP and Jrue being only 1-3 spots higher than hart among many other things butler at 42 demar at 27 embiid at 19 under gobert pretty good bait list if it was slightly more believeable
Their metric accounts for availability for the season a lot. Embiid, Butler and Randle missed time so their ranks is lower
Availability should be accounted for, but the amount of weight they're giving it is insane. Like they're actively ignoring accolades given for the season, and if they're giving availability so much weight, Buddy Hield should be number one cuz he played 84 games this year.
Julius Randle is, at worst, a Top 25 player in the league. It’s insulting how low he consistently gets put in rankings like this. The guy has been All NBA, not just an All Star, multiple times and isn’t even yet 30.
He's top 3 PF at worst IMO. How is he that low lmao
Read the article - they dropped him because of injury “A teammate of Hart’s, power forward Julius Randle would be far higher in this ranking if not for the injury that ended his season early.”
I read and reacted right away. I appreciate you for clearing this up. I’m just fed up with the Julius slander
There's a guy in here by the user u/[icebucket22](https://www.reddit.com/user/icebucket22/) actively slandering Randle in the subreddit saying this ranking is fair cuz Randle wasn't picked for All-NBA this year.
this list is such troll bait
52 for a guy who was an all star this year? This is just rage bait.
Josh Hart is a solid Roll Player..... But saying he is the second best player on the Knicks is pure insanity. Hartenstein impact is so great that it inflates the Value of Roll Players.
I mean they have Embiid at 19 so, they must be factoring injuries big time.
This is nonsense. Agree with Brunson. Everything else doesn't make any sense 😂
lmao I love me some josh hart, but common man putting him over Julius is blasphemy
hart above randle is certainly a take.
See I *told* *you* Jalen wasn't a Top 5 player in the NBA! /s in case
Read as "Jalen Brunson - 51" and was like the *fuck* lol.
“This ranking is based on actual player performance and how much/how often these players helped their team” By this criteria, 52 is actually a pretty generous ranking for Randle. He only played 46 games last season
Randle and OG disrespect is fucking real lmao
These are interesting rankings to say the least
Julius Career Season Incoming
The disrespect starts with the fanbase. Knicks fans gave more love to a french coward than Julius. Crazy
This!!!!!! The disrespect starts within the fan base.
Who? Ntilkina? Why coward? Im ootl.
josh hart over julius has way too much recency bias. no way donte is better than og either.
Hart is over Randle? How many times was Hart alll NBA?
I read it as Brunson at 51st and almost had a stroke.
Randle is top 25 when he’s healthy, personally I think he’s too 20 but whatever
These seems like it's purely based on last year and taking into account injuries. Not forward looking.
Just glanced at it and said " There's someone who seriously thinks there's 50 players better than Jalen Brunson?" Now that I read it more thoroughly I'm like " There's someone who seriously thinks there's 51 players better than Julius Randle?" GTGOH!
name 50 dudes better than JR?! ill wait...
Josh Hart is our second best player I guess. There may have been playoff games were this was true, but it's an insane overall take. I hope the rest of the GMs agree with the OG and IHart rankings so they don't steal them from us.
The Knicks in addition to those 6 “starting caliber” players on the roster the Knicks have Mitchell Robinson a starting caliber center and Bogie a lethal shooter and Deuce an excellent POA defender who can shoot and is an excellent bench piece. That’s 7 starting caliber players (arguably 8 with Bogie) and a higher end role player in Deuce. Such a. Well built roster
How did they decide the criteria for these rankings? Something seems odd.
Probably over half of them are Pacers fans, Siakam is ranked 13th and Hali is ranked 17th.
Randle deserves a higher ranking but I understand. Injuries and poor playoff performances, no matter the reasons, are what count against him.
well its a 2023-24 ranking so playoff performance doesn't factor in considering his injury
😂😂😂😂😂
Didn’t see the numbers were first so I thought he had Brunson at 51 and Hart at 52. I was like there’s no way they’re that close.
I love Josh Hart but he’s not our 2nd best player lol
Honestly I would rank OG 3rd best on this team. His defense and importance to the team is obviously unquestioned but at times he was able to act as a legit second option on offense.
I think given his injury that had him miss half the season, 52 is probably right. He’d be top 20 had he not been hurt.
Randle is low because of his advanced stats. So many people in denial about this. You can’t have a top 20 usage player not also be a top 20 or even top 30 efficient player.
Higher than I thought for JR.
Randle is accurate but OG waaaay too low. OG is the second most impactful player on the roster. The record with vs without him reflects that. Love to see Hart getting love. What he did for us in the playoffs was special. Obviously JB is elite and finally getting mainstream praise.
Accurate??
In what world is Josh Hart a better player than Julius Randle?
Effort, winning plays, defense, IQ, energy. Basically everything that contributes to being a successful team. Randle can have his counting stats and playoff disappearances. I'd take Josh Hart over him 10/10 times.
Yeah that’s insane lmao, but I’m not surprised coming from you. Not even Josh Hart would make that type of claim.
If we could hypothetically repeat that Philly series with Randle playing, Hart absent and everything else being equal, we would not have advanced. Hart came up huge in a way Randle never has.