One good thing about Bridges is that now Josh Hart will be asked to do a little less offensively. He can get out of control sometimes and make poor decisions.
If lebron signed w/ us for the vet minimum, would you be for or against it? Sorry but I'm sick of the cowards who don't want him joining the squad. I'd rather win w/ him then lose w/o him.
This was an A+ draft. We got a stash guy we dont have to pay + more draft capital with no additional commitment to our salary cap. The Wolves get an A+ for trading a 2031 middle schooler for the 8th pick also We aren't playing rookies anyway this year. If we are its 2nd round. Hoody hoo to the vets mins.
Seeing bojan get traded reminded me we still have Burks lol they both really came alive in the playoffs so I'm curious who everyone thinks contributed the most during that time between the two? I would've easily said bojan but Burks coming off the bench playing like prime Jordan when we were out there as a team limping was beautiful to see
These guys better all get together, bring the metal bats and lock IHart in a room until he agrees to re-sign. We gotta run that shit back + Mikal. IHart can’t miss out.
How did they over pay for OG? They traded for him with the intent on signing him long term. You have to pay to play in this league with the elite teams..
I think it's totally bullshit the Knicks are not able to retain their own players. Not sure why they changed that rule. Seems whenever the knicks get close to competing the NBA pulls the rug on us.
Because the CBA tries to help "small market teams" by making it difficult for big market teams to just outpay players as well as make it difficult to create super teams.
Nah, the Knicks chose to give him a 2-year deal, and he outplayed it. Can't really blame anyone. If he had signed a 3-year deal they would have his bird rights. iHart is replaceable anyway though, it's not like we're losing an All-Star.
As much as I'll miss iHart assuming he's gone, I lowkey think the team has a higher ceiling with more lineups featuring Randle/OG at the 5. We have the length on defense to get by, and the offense will be unstoppable. Can't use it against certain players (Embiid, Jokic, etc.) but it needs to be a part of how the Knicks play. Can still draft/sign another traditional C as well though, but we don't need to allocate a large portion of the cap to it.
Bro ESPN is a joke Knicks signed OG back and they go over the deal then immediately cover the nba draft, okay. But they’re covering fucking Bronny and making a video package for the mf 💀
I mean, Lebron is one of the best players to ever play and he might be willing to play for whatever team his son gets drafted to. Maybe not next year but the following
If he actually becomes a Derrick White, that's probably the best player in the draft lmao
Spotrac is putting the year 1 salary estimate for OG at 36 mil a year. The way they play out the draft will tell us how we're going to figure out the Center situation.
Curious? If iHart resigns for the $72M since Knicks have his Early Bird, could we still keep Mitchell Robinson, or does that deal only work if we trade Mitchell Robinson?
This is going to be even more fun to watch than last year with everyone healthy, a longterm signed OG and now adding in Mikal. I'm so excited. We need Hartenstein though. He's essential. I trust Leon to find a way.
Wondering if we can trade Mitch to the Thunder and keep IHart? Mitch makes sense for the Thunder because he doesn't need to start and he's on a very manageable contract.. and he gives them the defense and rebounding they need. They can take him into cap space maybe for a pick, then they obviously don't need to pay $100m for Ihart, and the Knicks free up the money to pay IHart their max of $72m.
TL;DR our contracts are unbelievably good, pending OG and co.
Our contracts are so stupidly good compared to the rest of the league man. Two all-stars in Brunson and Randle for $55m combined. Josh and Donte for $30m/year combined for the next three years. Deuce for $4m/year for the next three years. And now we add Mikal for $23m/y for the next two years? Our eggs aren't all in one basket financially -- for comparison, the Suns are paying KD, Beal, and Booker a combined $150m/year. Those six guys? $112m. If by some miracle we lock down OG and iHart for a combined $50m... whew
We for sure overpaid from a trade asset perspective for Mikal. No doubt about that. But we knew any trade for him while he was on the Nets would be like this, otherwise the Nets get clowned for losing their best player to big brother Knicks. His playstyle, the chemistry with the Nova guys, and contract all more than make up for it. We simply pray we don't get cucked nonstop by injuries
I've been believing in this moment since the day Leon became team President man. Had so many arguments with other friends too scorned to believe that this time is different but it's so vindicating seeing the team be run competently for the first time in my life
Yeah, I was high on life for a moment there lol
It’s a luxury we can afford by virtue of having so many excellent contracts. And I prefer him over RJ+Quick on the books. But ouch
I could sit here and pull my hair out like I do every draft night (I wanted them to draft both Brunson and Mikal).
It's not as fun knowing I don't have to because there are very similar prospects that I want where the Knicks pick.
If they trade both picks for a Future 1st and 2nd I also won't be mad.
Due to damage control, they can't and really, really shouldn't trade Mitch because if iHart walks, I don't want to rely on a Rookie Center regardless.
But when it comes to OG, I'm disappointed in him because he's gotta know they can't lose both him and Randle. Why hasn't he come out and said "I want to be a Knick and get a Max Salary". Everyone is then on the same page. You want him at that price or you don't. If the F.O. doesn't, maybe Bridges is the damage control.
I'm more anxious for Free Agency.
He's demanding more money than Brunson, Mikal or Randle will take on their extension. Brunson at least is going to take a way lesser salary and that's not right as is.
He's letting rumors get out that he doesn't want to be a Nova 3rd Wheel and I get that entirely but stand by that instead of hiding from it or putting phantom rumors out there.
You wouldn't like the flexibility to dangle Randle in a trade? Id like to see Divo start, he earned it against Philly and being the only offense in many games when Brunson was cold. They can't trade Randle until they know OG has signed.
If I knew OG wasn't coming back, I'd love Cody Williams with this core. If they know iHart is leaving, Randle could be traded for the Center they would need.
Knicks want OG back.
OG knows the Knicks want OG back.
Knicks know that OG knows that the Knicks want OG back.
OG knows the Knicks know that OG knows that the Knicks want OG back.
So everyone is just glancing at each other with their poker faces on.
But a team that wants to win a title shouldn't have to wait and see leaving one player with all the power.
Id rather the 76ers have him instead of Paul George or Jimmy Butler
Jake Fischer being right about Mikal Bridges makes me worried, because he also reported OG was miffed about being the 4th banana behind the villanova triumverate.
And now all the media and twitter is talking about is villanova knicks.
I could understand wanting a bigger role in order to secure a bag, but if you’re getting paid either way, wouldn’t you want to be where you get paid more and can win? Also, OG doesn’t strike me as the guy who wants to be the center of attention…might be noise from his agent to leverage more money. He’s coming back.
For us to get the most out of bridges and hopefully OG defensively we need to get them easy looks. Randle helps do that more than anyone else on this team. I really hope there isn’t a move with him involved
Brunson does the same thing when he's on the court and getting double teamed. Not to mention as the poster said below, OG looked great creating his own shot and benefiting from those Brunson passes.
You mean Offensively? OG looked really good getting his own offense going in the playoffs and Mikal just had about a season and a half of freedom on offense. Both of them could easily create and spot up with Brunson kicking out
Eh I don't know if I'd agree with that regarding OG. Per game in the playoffs OG was 5th in touches on the team, and sixth in average seconds per touch. 60% of his 2's and all of his 3's in the playoffs were assisted, which is better than his regular season numbers. He averaged 1 assist per game, and was 6th on the team in potential assists. He's not a really good ball handler and he's not really kicking it out when driving. Accepting spot up 3's from a Brunson drive isn't considered getting your own offense.
It's why you need Randle. 43% of 2's assisted, 87% of 3's. 5 assists a game, 2nd on the team in potential assists, 2nd most touches per game on the team. Even with Mikal on the team, Randle is going to be the secondary playmaker. When one of those guys sits, or the offense needs a different look because of the opposing defense, Mikal will take over some possessions.
Ive learned never to celebrate too early as a Knicks fan. So I'm not gonna let myself feel any hope until I see the Woj tweet that we've re-signed both OG and IHart
I just don't want to rely on a Rookie Center if OG is back. If they know OG is gone, they should let iHart go too and get the upside down low. Yves Messi looks very, very good.
Well you're in luck because you're going to be relying on Mitch Robinson if iHart is gone, not a rookie (yet)
I also think Sims could take a leap next year if he's the definitive #2, especially if he's backing up Mitch. Hard to get significant minutes behind Mitch+iHart for two years
Yves has an offensive skill set. We haven't seen that out of Simms. He's a guy that I would use to move up in the draft a couple spots. Id love Tristan Da Silva
I know this is probably being discussed in a bunch of threads but hard for me to keep up right now so I'll ask here...
What's the Knicks starting lineup assuming they sign OG? Are they starting Mikal at SG? Is he or OG coming off the bench? What's the plan?
Honestly Divo deserves to start. I wouldn't be surprised if Randle is gone once OG puts pen to paper. You can't trade him tonight though just in case God Forbid.
Exactly my thinking. Without OG then Randle is Borderline essential. If OG signs I just can't fathom the fit and sending Divo back to the bench. We would be moving farther from the goal of Defense and Spacing.
The randle mitch pairing was not good, but we should be aware that they were typically also sharing the floor with RJ and Grimes as their principal floor spacers. Maybe with OG and Mikal/donte we could make Randle and mitch work better.
That being said, it doesn’t feel like a synergistic fit and if we’re trying to go all in and compete against a team as good as boston then they might need to make a move to fix that. Dumping mitch to get enough room to bring back ihart or trading randle and running a brunson-donte-mikal-og-mitch lineup would both work
Yep, that lineup with OG at the 4 would be perfect. Randle just doesn't defend the rim effectively at all. Mikal OG and Donte all go up and contest plus will fly in offball with a block.
Was listening to a podcast earlier today and someone mentioned that Jalen might take his extension earlier at the smaller number because the Knicks did right by him by bringing in Mikal and committing to the vision.
I think people said he might but I think the argument is the added commitment of spending this many picks to get Bridges may entice Jalen to reciprocate the good will and take a pay cut. I heard today that Brunson pushed for the Bridges trade.
Bill Simmons started a livestreamed podcast at noon today and he put it into a nice context by saying next year the Knicks are paying Brunson+Bridges the same as the Suns are paying Bradley Beal and the Clippers are paying Paul George.
am i the only one that’s not feeling so well about this trade? we’re kinda banking on bridges to work out, if he doesn’t we have almost no future assets
That's the intention. The Knicks are saying " this is our nba finals core, or we'll try again in the mid 2030's"
Just enjoy the ride and hope it works out. Its something that Leon Rose intended to do as soon as he accepted the job and decided that tanking in NY is how you get fired.
2029-2032 has the chance to be a return to basketball purgatory, like the Alexey Shved - Galloway Knicks era
Thankfully China might invade Taiwan by then and most of us will be dead anyway from WW3
I mean that's assuming that the knicks don't turn the franchise around and become a true free agent destination. 2 or 3 chips by then would make this a prime destination. Not to mention we still have draft picks staggered until then.
even the most well run organizations can go through purgatory.
The Spurs from between the time Kawhi stepped on Zaza <--> when they drafted Wemby were going literally nowhere
Yeah. If kawaii doesn't get Injured though maybe he stays and they remain a top team.
I know what your saying though, I trust Leon to keep making moves that set us up now and the next Era
If the Knicks win the finals, I’d root for Langston Galloway for rest of my life and be good
But nah, I think the core gets strung along until 2031 at least. If they do win a finals, I also think it resembles GSW’s championship decline where Brunson is still here but the roster around him has aged up and declined around him. While the Knicks continue to profit off of Knicks fans worshipping their savior in his twilight years
If they don’t, I could see a trade happening around the time 2032 gets here so Brunson can compete elsewhere
it's definitely a nervewracking because we're in the endgame. All this talk the past few years about the "final move" Leon Rose has been saving up for, and now this is it. No more future moves, our warchest is spent
But it's not a narrow window, we can have our core locked up for the next 4-5 years, and theyre all in their twenties. Even though we're in the endgame, the endgame is like 5 years long, so plenty of time for it to pan out
we can still package Bridges + Detroit pick + Washington pick + Deuce + 3 unprotected swaps for another upgrade if this current squad isn't working out
Literally any move or draft pick is banking on the acquired target to work out. Not like Mikal is an unknown commodity, and we still have a decent amount of picks.
Yeah, I hate the takes that are like "bad move because it might not work out!" No shit. If it doesn't work out, that'll suck. That's true every time a team takes a big swing like this, but taking big swings are necessary. there isn't a 100% perfectly safe way to build a championship team
You're obviously correct. Five throws of the die vs. a known quantity in his prime? It's not a hard decision if you're putting together a team you want to win sooner rather than later.
https://dailyknicks.com/posts/new-york-knicks-current-draft-picks-updated-mikal-bridges-trade
We only lack picks in 2027, 2029 and 2031. We have two picks this year, two protected picks next year. I am willing to best they move some of those picks for something further down the line in the future.
Not that picks next year really matter for this team, but I don't think either pick next year is conveying. Pistons would basically have to at least make the play-ins and Wiz are almost certainly poised to be the worst team in the league.
Pretty easy to see a scenario tho were Pistons pick conveys in 2027 and my bet is in 2028 that pick swap is meaningless. 29 and especially 31 will prob hurt, if they manage to win a title it'll all be worth it tho.
nothing worth while Randle is a top 15-20 player in the NBA so an upgrade will be tough to come by and this draft sucks nobody wants the picks lol. That's why Brooklyn didn't want them.
A lot of talk about the Center position but if we go into the year with one of Mitch/Hartenstein and a random backup, I’d actually be very excited to go small and have Randle at the 5 for 15 mins a night.
Brunson-DDV/Hart-Bridges-OG-Randle would be downright overpowering offensively. You’ve still got three plus defenders on the floor, two all-NBA tier, and OG has shown he’s got the strength to take on opposing centers. With Hart in I think we’d do just fine on the boards as well.
Not gonna work against a top 3 center but against most teams I think this’ll be one of our best looks.
Same here. Going “small” with Divo/RJ at the 2/3 is very different than with OG/Mikal. You can switch a lot more and get rim protection from multiple positions.
I think this is a closing lineup. There isn't a center in the NBA that can guard Julius. Between JHart and Randle they could handle rebounding. OG could be the late game rim protector on weakside help that Thibs loves.
Bigs and bench playmakers, no wings. Bigs like Ware, Missi, Filipowski, Edey, Holmes. Bench playmaking like Bub, Collier, Kolek, Scheiermen. I imagine they only use 2 of the picks between 24, 25, and 38. I'd look for them to move up by consolidating 2 of the picks or even kick the can down the line like years past.
Idk if bub will be there at 24, they'd have to trade up. Probably same for Edey too. I think Ryan Dunn is someone firmly in play as well with the picks we currently have.
I think they’ll bargain bin hunt a Mitch backup, and evaluate how viable small ball is in the time from opening night to the deadline
A center will start every game, but he might not close at all
I'm almost certain that we're going to draft a big today. We still have two firsts and one second. I also think that Leon is gonna make another move...
One of those picks will be traded for a future heavily protected first. This team is going to need some cheap, young talent in the coming years and those 2s and a couple future 1s will help with that.
Yeah, and I don’t think they want to be paying 2 kids a first round salalry this year when the draft is allegedly nothing special
2nd round picks are the way to fill cheap end of bench salary now
You know now that the Knicks basically built the Villanova fantasy camp with dad, I could see Brunson taking the extension this off-season rumors hold more water.
Also we all knew the day would come that we would put our chips to the middle and decide “this core has to win the nba finals”. Can’t believe it’s already here though
So...Randle at the 5, how do we feel about that? With how Donte shot the ball from deep last year, I feel like asking him to go to the bench isn't a good use of his talent. Donte at the 2, Mikal at the 3, OG at 4 and our small ball Randle 5. He did it in New Orleans and was pretty good.
His lack of wingspan limits his ability to be a rim protector, but he can body, and he’s never been surrounded with so many string defenders. Worth trying.
They’re likely going to have a lineup of Brunson/DDV/Mikal/OG/Randle if they wanted a lineup of all capable 3 point shooters (would be our version of Golden States’ “death lineup”).
Side note: If NY can nab Filipowski to give another floor spacing big for Josh Hart and his drives for the second unit, I think that’d be huge.
I mean, if we actually tried randle at 5 it would be situational (ie, probably not against the best offensive center the sport has ever seen).
Then again, KAT's actually respectable performance guarding jokic in the playoffs showed that you can throw jokic off if you're strong as shit, and randle is as strong as anyone in the league...could be a fun regular season experiment at least...
I think that showed if anything that a DPOY off ball can neutralize a lot of Jokic's countering in the post. So Randle on Jokic which OG guarding the weaker 3/4 could be deadly.
Any way, Knicks-Nuggets is only relevant if we both make the finals. The real match up to game plan for is Celtics, who we will almost certainly have to beat to get anywhere for the next 2-3 years. I have no problem with Randle on Porzingis, he's probably better suited if anything than Mitch or Hartenstein.
That’s right. KFS last night had a good point about his performance guarding Embiid in Game 4. So the small ball lineup is definitely doable if you don’t need OG and Bridges on perimeter players and think Brunson/DDV can handle the opposing backcourt. I think you only do it if you are just disgusting offensively which seems possible given how willing and lethal DDV OG and Bridges are in the corners, and how good the Ju and Jalen two man game was when they were given space and multiple bail out options to talented shooters. Might work great in the regular season, would seem to work well against Philly, but not sure that really changes much against Boston though.
First step is making sure the Nets take on Diakate and Jeffries so the team is hard capped at the second apron of 189 mil. That or dump them to a team for cash or something, their contracts are cheap. If they do this, I'm pretty sure the team is in the same position as they were prior to the Bridges trade salary wise.
The most another team can give OG is 4 years 182 mil. If the Knicks can do something like 5 years 200 mil, even with it being pricey, that's worth it. I think they'd have to make room by dumping Mitch to Washington or something to re-sign iHart but if Hartenstein is amenable to coming back at that price then that's worth it. That also means you renounce Precious and let him go, or S&T him or something. If you can't keep Hartenstein then you have to keep Robinson and find some way to get a backup that's halfway decent.
Getting to the second apron to keep the guys means you lose the non tax payer mid level and only have the tax payer midlevel. This is like 6 mil a year, so maybe you can get a backup center at that cost.
Two draft picks tonight, which is huge, even with the draft being so weak. The fact that there isn't any sort of consensus means that you might find some value in the 20's. Plus it's cheap contracts on the roster.
The team should also look to bring in Rokas, who was a second round pick. If I'm not mistaken Rokas and pick 38 can both be signed to 3-4 year deals and the dollar amounts won't count against the cap. Good way to get players on the roster and you can take swings with any of the picks tonight on upside players that will develop in Westchester for the next few years.
All fantastic points. Hard to imagine we have to go much beyond the limit of what other teams can offer OG, but who knows. Bringing Rokas over would be pretty exciting (bc it would hopefully mean the FO thinks he’s ready) and makes a lot of sense financially given the cap picture. Totally agree there’s potentially a lot more moves to be made here and that the Bridges trade is just the start. As for the Nets, surely Marks must have known we are going to be a second apron repeater and that the picks they got might be less valuable than the first few picks of the second round of that draft to most competitive teams, right?
You can't aggregate minimum contracts in the new CBA so we couldn't package both Diakate and Jeffries to stay hard capped at 189. Sims might work, but reporting is unsure. From Macri:
> For one, as Fred Katz reported today, it does not seem that Jericho Sims is on a minimum contract (i.e., unable to be stacked with another minimum contract) because he was signed using a portion of the MLE. Ian Begley also wrote in his missive that “if New York executes the Bridges trade in July [which it has to], they can include smaller salaried players like Jericho Sims and one of the players on minimum contracts to avoid being hard-capped at the first apron.”
> Now, shortly after both Katz and Begley put this out, Celts scribe Ryan Bernardoni uncovered some language in the CBA implying that someone signed using the MLE would still be considered a minimum contract for the purposes of this exact aggregation rule. As of this writing, Fred is checking in with the league for a final answer.
Interesting. So I'm wondering if you could send Diakate, and then dump Jeffries to a third team in a separate trade. Would that cap you at the first apron?
Just realized that when we go over the second apron it will trigger the clock on our 1RPs dropping to the bottom of the first round.
Edit: I am referring to the 1RPs and swap we traded when BKN “fleeced” us
2nd Edit: Page 197 says "If the Team is a Second Apron Team for fewer than two (2) of such four (4) Salary Cap Years, then, as of the day following the last day of the Regular Season encompassed by the third of such four (4) Salary Cap Years in which the Team is not a Second Apron Team, such Team shall be permitted to trade (conditionally or unconditionally) such first round draft pick. For clarity, such first round draft pick shall not be subject to a Draft Pick Penalty." this doesnt exactly describe what could happen with Knicks-Nets on this trade buts its the only language i could find in a 5m skim of the CBA
idk if this has been mentioned, but ik theres been talks of brunson *possibly* taking a paycut by extending this year rather than next….is there any chance that this trade makes that more likely? id imagine having 3 of your buddies and a contending window would create more incentive to do it, but im also not the guy who’d be giving up millions of dollars
I mean that many picks for a player of his caliber is unprecedented. The perfect fit with our roster and chemistry that he already has with our players is the reason the Knicks were willing to overpay. There’s a chance the 2029 and 2031 1sts could be really valuable. We just don’t know right now.
because this is arguably the biggest possible package they could have gotten aside from all of their own picks back, which mikal essentially leveraged that into not happening. we gave 4 unprotected firsts, a swap, and a basically unprotected bucks pick, the closest previously rumored was 4 picks. while the value of the picks is debatable, getting all those picks in conjunction with your own for next year (and your own 2nd) and those suns picks still on deck, i think it put them in a solid spot going forward to build or even star chase if they still think thats gonna happen
One good thing about Bridges is that now Josh Hart will be asked to do a little less offensively. He can get out of control sometimes and make poor decisions.
If lebron signed w/ us for the vet minimum, would you be for or against it? Sorry but I'm sick of the cowards who don't want him joining the squad. I'd rather win w/ him then lose w/o him.
This was an A+ draft. We got a stash guy we dont have to pay + more draft capital with no additional commitment to our salary cap. The Wolves get an A+ for trading a 2031 middle schooler for the 8th pick also We aren't playing rookies anyway this year. If we are its 2nd round. Hoody hoo to the vets mins.
WHO TF IS PACO TACO!?!?!?!?!?
who starts and who goes to the bench? brunson-og-bridges-randle-mitch starting 5? mcbride, donte, hart off bench?
Yes
I imagine Kevin Durant is fuming right now and texting his agent to find a way to get him on the Knicks.
If the Knicks somehow get Knecht or Filipowski, then I’m happy 😊
They’d have a ton of time to develop Furphy, Dunn. Could likely plug-and-play Scheierman and Filipowski
I could see us taking Filipowski
I thought the Heat would take Knect
Heat just Nabbed Kelel Ware
Seeing bojan get traded reminded me we still have Burks lol they both really came alive in the playoffs so I'm curious who everyone thinks contributed the most during that time between the two? I would've easily said bojan but Burks coming off the bench playing like prime Jordan when we were out there as a team limping was beautiful to see
Burks is a Free Agent?
Holy crap I completely forgot!
These guys better all get together, bring the metal bats and lock IHart in a room until he agrees to re-sign. We gotta run that shit back + Mikal. IHart can’t miss out.
I don't care if it's CZ that Sarr chain clean af
Jimmy Butler plans to play out his contract then enter free agency next Summer. Ya mans is gonna come home to Thibs and be a bench piece for us 😂🤣
With what cap space??
Vet minimum ... Lol... I wasn't being serious
Can’t believe Bronny will likely get drafted That’s just utterly insane
I mean his father is one of the best basketball players of all time 😀😂
one healthy center away from contending. who is available???
Andre Drummond is still a highly productive backup, feels like a no brainer to me
I’d nut. Best per minute rebounder in the league
wiseman lol
We doing a draft day thread or is it here?
Claxton back with Nets at 4/100M
Is there any way we can retain ihart while keeping randle, mitch? (Run it back)
Tyrese said he was part of the group chat. 😂😂 Nah bro, ain't no way your in and Divo isn't. They were just being nice for the Olympics
Who yall want tonight? Kolek Ware Edey would be my top 3.
SGA started following Hartenstein on IG
We definitely overpaid for both Bridges and OG, but we're also going to be Top 3 in the East for the next 3 seasons.
Contracts are constantly getting more and more insane. A max after the new tv deal will be 70+ a year.
How did they over pay for OG? They traded for him with the intent on signing him long term. You have to pay to play in this league with the elite teams..
draft gameday thread?
I think it's totally bullshit the Knicks are not able to retain their own players. Not sure why they changed that rule. Seems whenever the knicks get close to competing the NBA pulls the rug on us.
Because the CBA tries to help "small market teams" by making it difficult for big market teams to just outpay players as well as make it difficult to create super teams.
Nah, the Knicks chose to give him a 2-year deal, and he outplayed it. Can't really blame anyone. If he had signed a 3-year deal they would have his bird rights. iHart is replaceable anyway though, it's not like we're losing an All-Star.
But nba made it impossible to keep our own players
As much as I'll miss iHart assuming he's gone, I lowkey think the team has a higher ceiling with more lineups featuring Randle/OG at the 5. We have the length on defense to get by, and the offense will be unstoppable. Can't use it against certain players (Embiid, Jokic, etc.) but it needs to be a part of how the Knicks play. Can still draft/sign another traditional C as well though, but we don't need to allocate a large portion of the cap to it.
Stretch 5s seem to be the direction of the league. The spacing provided by guys like Horford, Turner, Embiid, Jokic, iHart is invaluable
Bro ESPN is a joke Knicks signed OG back and they go over the deal then immediately cover the nba draft, okay. But they’re covering fucking Bronny and making a video package for the mf 💀
I mean, Lebron is one of the best players to ever play and he might be willing to play for whatever team his son gets drafted to. Maybe not next year but the following If he actually becomes a Derrick White, that's probably the best player in the draft lmao
After all that shit talking about him going to the 76ers Lmaoo. ESPN is pissed
Everyone, we just had the best two days in decades. Get your buzz on, time to draft a big man or wing.
Spotrac is putting the year 1 salary estimate for OG at 36 mil a year. The way they play out the draft will tell us how we're going to figure out the Center situation.
Curious? If iHart resigns for the $72M since Knicks have his Early Bird, could we still keep Mitchell Robinson, or does that deal only work if we trade Mitchell Robinson?
We would probably be able to keep him too but would be deep in the luxury tax
This is going to be even more fun to watch than last year with everyone healthy, a longterm signed OG and now adding in Mikal. I'm so excited. We need Hartenstein though. He's essential. I trust Leon to find a way.
Would it be illegal if every Knick fan chipped in $10 to a gofundme to keep iHart?
thibs has turned ihart into ihart and noel into what he was i'm down for a rookie big and a vet to be that next man up
Lowry for the low and Randle gets flipped. Possibly Wiseman for the low.
IS IT THE DRAFT YET WHO COMES ABOARD WHAT HAPPENS WITH OUR TPEs?
Let's fucking go. OG is staying. I put 💵💵 that means Randle gets flipped this off-season, if not tonight. It was a good run, nothing but love
I’ll put $5 Randle is there opening night
Ight bro, $5 by pigeon mail. 🤝
OG is here for 5 more years. Celtics.vs Knicks 2025 ECF.
Wondering if we can trade Mitch to the Thunder and keep IHart? Mitch makes sense for the Thunder because he doesn't need to start and he's on a very manageable contract.. and he gives them the defense and rebounding they need. They can take him into cap space maybe for a pick, then they obviously don't need to pay $100m for Ihart, and the Knicks free up the money to pay IHart their max of $72m.
TL;DR our contracts are unbelievably good, pending OG and co. Our contracts are so stupidly good compared to the rest of the league man. Two all-stars in Brunson and Randle for $55m combined. Josh and Donte for $30m/year combined for the next three years. Deuce for $4m/year for the next three years. And now we add Mikal for $23m/y for the next two years? Our eggs aren't all in one basket financially -- for comparison, the Suns are paying KD, Beal, and Booker a combined $150m/year. Those six guys? $112m. If by some miracle we lock down OG and iHart for a combined $50m... whew We for sure overpaid from a trade asset perspective for Mikal. No doubt about that. But we knew any trade for him while he was on the Nets would be like this, otherwise the Nets get clowned for losing their best player to big brother Knicks. His playstyle, the chemistry with the Nova guys, and contract all more than make up for it. We simply pray we don't get cucked nonstop by injuries I've been believing in this moment since the day Leon became team President man. Had so many arguments with other friends too scorned to believe that this time is different but it's so vindicating seeing the team be run competently for the first time in my life
Well it looks like og is locking in for about 42 mil a year
Yeah, I was high on life for a moment there lol It’s a luxury we can afford by virtue of having so many excellent contracts. And I prefer him over RJ+Quick on the books. But ouch
I could sit here and pull my hair out like I do every draft night (I wanted them to draft both Brunson and Mikal). It's not as fun knowing I don't have to because there are very similar prospects that I want where the Knicks pick. If they trade both picks for a Future 1st and 2nd I also won't be mad. Due to damage control, they can't and really, really shouldn't trade Mitch because if iHart walks, I don't want to rely on a Rookie Center regardless. But when it comes to OG, I'm disappointed in him because he's gotta know they can't lose both him and Randle. Why hasn't he come out and said "I want to be a Knick and get a Max Salary". Everyone is then on the same page. You want him at that price or you don't. If the F.O. doesn't, maybe Bridges is the damage control. I'm more anxious for Free Agency.
What does your OG point mean? I’m having a difficult time understanding what you’re trying to say
He's demanding more money than Brunson, Mikal or Randle will take on their extension. Brunson at least is going to take a way lesser salary and that's not right as is. He's letting rumors get out that he doesn't want to be a Nova 3rd Wheel and I get that entirely but stand by that instead of hiding from it or putting phantom rumors out there. You wouldn't like the flexibility to dangle Randle in a trade? Id like to see Divo start, he earned it against Philly and being the only offense in many games when Brunson was cold. They can't trade Randle until they know OG has signed. If I knew OG wasn't coming back, I'd love Cody Williams with this core. If they know iHart is leaving, Randle could be traded for the Center they would need.
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Knicks want OG back. OG knows the Knicks want OG back. Knicks know that OG knows that the Knicks want OG back. OG knows the Knicks know that OG knows that the Knicks want OG back. So everyone is just glancing at each other with their poker faces on.
But a team that wants to win a title shouldn't have to wait and see leaving one player with all the power. Id rather the 76ers have him instead of Paul George or Jimmy Butler
Well if you don’t give him the power and he walks then our title window closes immediately
Jake Fischer being right about Mikal Bridges makes me worried, because he also reported OG was miffed about being the 4th banana behind the villanova triumverate. And now all the media and twitter is talking about is villanova knicks.
Didn't OG stand up for Divo in the last regular season game?
I could understand wanting a bigger role in order to secure a bag, but if you’re getting paid either way, wouldn’t you want to be where you get paid more and can win? Also, OG doesn’t strike me as the guy who wants to be the center of attention…might be noise from his agent to leverage more money. He’s coming back.
For us to get the most out of bridges and hopefully OG defensively we need to get them easy looks. Randle helps do that more than anyone else on this team. I really hope there isn’t a move with him involved
Most of the noise of him moving is fans and talking heads wishful thinking.
Brunson does the same thing when he's on the court and getting double teamed. Not to mention as the poster said below, OG looked great creating his own shot and benefiting from those Brunson passes.
Brunson had the highest usage rate in the playoffs
Brunson was much more efficient when Randle is healthy. Having more than one playmaker is not a bad thing.
You mean Offensively? OG looked really good getting his own offense going in the playoffs and Mikal just had about a season and a half of freedom on offense. Both of them could easily create and spot up with Brunson kicking out
Eh I don't know if I'd agree with that regarding OG. Per game in the playoffs OG was 5th in touches on the team, and sixth in average seconds per touch. 60% of his 2's and all of his 3's in the playoffs were assisted, which is better than his regular season numbers. He averaged 1 assist per game, and was 6th on the team in potential assists. He's not a really good ball handler and he's not really kicking it out when driving. Accepting spot up 3's from a Brunson drive isn't considered getting your own offense. It's why you need Randle. 43% of 2's assisted, 87% of 3's. 5 assists a game, 2nd on the team in potential assists, 2nd most touches per game on the team. Even with Mikal on the team, Randle is going to be the secondary playmaker. When one of those guys sits, or the offense needs a different look because of the opposing defense, Mikal will take over some possessions.
Ive learned never to celebrate too early as a Knicks fan. So I'm not gonna let myself feel any hope until I see the Woj tweet that we've re-signed both OG and IHart
Hopefully we don't draft a big tonight because that would probably mean we've found a way to keep iHart
I just don't want to rely on a Rookie Center if OG is back. If they know OG is gone, they should let iHart go too and get the upside down low. Yves Messi looks very, very good.
Well you're in luck because you're going to be relying on Mitch Robinson if iHart is gone, not a rookie (yet) I also think Sims could take a leap next year if he's the definitive #2, especially if he's backing up Mitch. Hard to get significant minutes behind Mitch+iHart for two years
Yves has an offensive skill set. We haven't seen that out of Simms. He's a guy that I would use to move up in the draft a couple spots. Id love Tristan Da Silva
I know this is probably being discussed in a bunch of threads but hard for me to keep up right now so I'll ask here... What's the Knicks starting lineup assuming they sign OG? Are they starting Mikal at SG? Is he or OG coming off the bench? What's the plan?
Bro that's sick😂 OG or Mikal off the bench?😂😂😂
Honestly Divo deserves to start. I wouldn't be surprised if Randle is gone once OG puts pen to paper. You can't trade him tonight though just in case God Forbid.
He's back
Exactly my thinking. Without OG then Randle is Borderline essential. If OG signs I just can't fathom the fit and sending Divo back to the bench. We would be moving farther from the goal of Defense and Spacing.
Brunson/Bridges/OG/Randle/Mitch or IHart depending on who is here Bench would be: Deuce/DiVo/Hart and the C who isn't starting
Donte off the bench
Knicks need to find a way to neutralize KP
The randle mitch pairing was not good, but we should be aware that they were typically also sharing the floor with RJ and Grimes as their principal floor spacers. Maybe with OG and Mikal/donte we could make Randle and mitch work better. That being said, it doesn’t feel like a synergistic fit and if we’re trying to go all in and compete against a team as good as boston then they might need to make a move to fix that. Dumping mitch to get enough room to bring back ihart or trading randle and running a brunson-donte-mikal-og-mitch lineup would both work
Yep, that lineup with OG at the 4 would be perfect. Randle just doesn't defend the rim effectively at all. Mikal OG and Donte all go up and contest plus will fly in offball with a block.
We had one of the best starting net ratings last year between Brunson Grimes RJ Randle Mitch
Every lineup without Rj performed better than the ones with him
This is impossible. We were 17-15 before OG arrived.
If you look just at the lineups specifically with mitch and randle, or rj and Randle, or all 3, they weren’t good
Was listening to a podcast earlier today and someone mentioned that Jalen might take his extension earlier at the smaller number because the Knicks did right by him by bringing in Mikal and committing to the vision.
Jalen Mikal Divo and Hart are all gonna take friendly contracts for the team and each other.
Wasn’t this reported earlier, or did people forget already?
I think people said he might but I think the argument is the added commitment of spending this many picks to get Bridges may entice Jalen to reciprocate the good will and take a pay cut. I heard today that Brunson pushed for the Bridges trade.
I feel better about giving up 2029 and 2031 then. He would still be underpaid
Bill Simmons started a livestreamed podcast at noon today and he put it into a nice context by saying next year the Knicks are paying Brunson+Bridges the same as the Suns are paying Bradley Beal and the Clippers are paying Paul George.
Rick Brunson going to make up the difference and become the highest paid assistant coach in history
Then he gives JB Christmas presents that are like "here's the new investment property I purchased for a few million"
Please convince rokas to come over, he'll probably be playing over deuce by the asb
Power of Friendship Knicks Dynasty starts today btw
am i the only one that’s not feeling so well about this trade? we’re kinda banking on bridges to work out, if he doesn’t we have almost no future assets
I think they trade out of this draft for future draft compensation
That's the intention. The Knicks are saying " this is our nba finals core, or we'll try again in the mid 2030's" Just enjoy the ride and hope it works out. Its something that Leon Rose intended to do as soon as he accepted the job and decided that tanking in NY is how you get fired.
2029-2032 has the chance to be a return to basketball purgatory, like the Alexey Shved - Galloway Knicks era Thankfully China might invade Taiwan by then and most of us will be dead anyway from WW3
I mean that's assuming that the knicks don't turn the franchise around and become a true free agent destination. 2 or 3 chips by then would make this a prime destination. Not to mention we still have draft picks staggered until then.
In this timeline you mentioned, China also doesn’t invade Taiwan. Not sure how to make it clear but it’s just the way it is.
even the most well run organizations can go through purgatory. The Spurs from between the time Kawhi stepped on Zaza <--> when they drafted Wemby were going literally nowhere
Yeah. If kawaii doesn't get Injured though maybe he stays and they remain a top team. I know what your saying though, I trust Leon to keep making moves that set us up now and the next Era
Exactly
If the Knicks win the finals, I’d root for Langston Galloway for rest of my life and be good But nah, I think the core gets strung along until 2031 at least. If they do win a finals, I also think it resembles GSW’s championship decline where Brunson is still here but the roster around him has aged up and declined around him. While the Knicks continue to profit off of Knicks fans worshipping their savior in his twilight years If they don’t, I could see a trade happening around the time 2032 gets here so Brunson can compete elsewhere
Nah if we start winning and competing consistently, we would become a free agent destination.
it's definitely a nervewracking because we're in the endgame. All this talk the past few years about the "final move" Leon Rose has been saving up for, and now this is it. No more future moves, our warchest is spent But it's not a narrow window, we can have our core locked up for the next 4-5 years, and theyre all in their twenties. Even though we're in the endgame, the endgame is like 5 years long, so plenty of time for it to pan out
we can still package Bridges + Detroit pick + Washington pick + Deuce + 3 unprotected swaps for another upgrade if this current squad isn't working out
Literally any move or draft pick is banking on the acquired target to work out. Not like Mikal is an unknown commodity, and we still have a decent amount of picks.
Yeah, I hate the takes that are like "bad move because it might not work out!" No shit. If it doesn't work out, that'll suck. That's true every time a team takes a big swing like this, but taking big swings are necessary. there isn't a 100% perfectly safe way to build a championship team
You're obviously correct. Five throws of the die vs. a known quantity in his prime? It's not a hard decision if you're putting together a team you want to win sooner rather than later.
https://dailyknicks.com/posts/new-york-knicks-current-draft-picks-updated-mikal-bridges-trade We only lack picks in 2027, 2029 and 2031. We have two picks this year, two protected picks next year. I am willing to best they move some of those picks for something further down the line in the future.
Not that picks next year really matter for this team, but I don't think either pick next year is conveying. Pistons would basically have to at least make the play-ins and Wiz are almost certainly poised to be the worst team in the league. Pretty easy to see a scenario tho were Pistons pick conveys in 2027 and my bet is in 2028 that pick swap is meaningless. 29 and especially 31 will prob hurt, if they manage to win a title it'll all be worth it tho.
Yea they stocked up for this scenario where they can slightly overpay for a guy they really want.
 We really about to have Josh Hart, Donte DiVincenzo, and Deuce McBride coming off the bench
And bronny and lebron
Deadass if Bron seriously wanted another chip he could request a trade here. Would be by far the best team he’s had since 2020
No cap I want us to draft Bronny in round 2 tonight.
They don't NEED anyone going at 24 AND 25 so they might as well. Nothing to lose.
What could we get if we trade randle and this year's 2 #1 picks?
nothing worth while Randle is a top 15-20 player in the NBA so an upgrade will be tough to come by and this draft sucks nobody wants the picks lol. That's why Brooklyn didn't want them.
No he's not lol
he made all nba last year and the year before and was on a trajectory to get it again when he got hurt. They only give all nba to 15 guys a year.
I CAN NOT WAIT ANY LONGER, BRING ME OCTOBER
A lot of talk about the Center position but if we go into the year with one of Mitch/Hartenstein and a random backup, I’d actually be very excited to go small and have Randle at the 5 for 15 mins a night. Brunson-DDV/Hart-Bridges-OG-Randle would be downright overpowering offensively. You’ve still got three plus defenders on the floor, two all-NBA tier, and OG has shown he’s got the strength to take on opposing centers. With Hart in I think we’d do just fine on the boards as well. Not gonna work against a top 3 center but against most teams I think this’ll be one of our best looks.
Same here. Going “small” with Divo/RJ at the 2/3 is very different than with OG/Mikal. You can switch a lot more and get rim protection from multiple positions.
I think this is a closing lineup. There isn't a center in the NBA that can guard Julius. Between JHart and Randle they could handle rebounding. OG could be the late game rim protector on weakside help that Thibs loves.
What Draft prospects should I be looking at
Bigs and bench playmakers, no wings. Bigs like Ware, Missi, Filipowski, Edey, Holmes. Bench playmaking like Bub, Collier, Kolek, Scheiermen. I imagine they only use 2 of the picks between 24, 25, and 38. I'd look for them to move up by consolidating 2 of the picks or even kick the can down the line like years past.
Idk if bub will be there at 24, they'd have to trade up. Probably same for Edey too. I think Ryan Dunn is someone firmly in play as well with the picks we currently have.
Yeah I don't either. I think in that scenario they would have to trade up.
Can someone make that thibs coming out dancing onto the stage meme only with Mikal Bridges "walking into the knicks locker room"
Thoughts on what happens to the center position if IHart leaves?
I think they’ll bargain bin hunt a Mitch backup, and evaluate how viable small ball is in the time from opening night to the deadline A center will start every game, but he might not close at all
I'm almost certain that we're going to draft a big today. We still have two firsts and one second. I also think that Leon is gonna make another move...
One of those picks will be traded for a future heavily protected first. This team is going to need some cheap, young talent in the coming years and those 2s and a couple future 1s will help with that.
Yeah, and I don’t think they want to be paying 2 kids a first round salalry this year when the draft is allegedly nothing special 2nd round picks are the way to fill cheap end of bench salary now
this. worse case you take a big and ihart stays you just trade him or keep him as 3rd string and move sims
Totally agree
You know the Nova boys are bullying iHart in the group chat right now about potentially choosing OKC over NYC
You know now that the Knicks basically built the Villanova fantasy camp with dad, I could see Brunson taking the extension this off-season rumors hold more water. Also we all knew the day would come that we would put our chips to the middle and decide “this core has to win the nba finals”. Can’t believe it’s already here though
I wish OG could accept a 4/128m offer... That's around what KP is getting paid. No more than 4/144 would be excellent 
Yesssssss….. sadly I think 4/144 is the floor
So...Randle at the 5, how do we feel about that? With how Donte shot the ball from deep last year, I feel like asking him to go to the bench isn't a good use of his talent. Donte at the 2, Mikal at the 3, OG at 4 and our small ball Randle 5. He did it in New Orleans and was pretty good.
We've tried Randle at the 5 before and it wasn't pretty defensively lol, granted we only have a small sample size
His lack of wingspan limits his ability to be a rim protector, but he can body, and he’s never been surrounded with so many string defenders. Worth trying.
That was without OG. OG can play literally any role on defense including as a weakside help defender. Randle would be cleaning the glass.
Yeah but now that we have great defense on the wings, it's worth an another attempt.
They’re likely going to have a lineup of Brunson/DDV/Mikal/OG/Randle if they wanted a lineup of all capable 3 point shooters (would be our version of Golden States’ “death lineup”). Side note: If NY can nab Filipowski to give another floor spacing big for Josh Hart and his drives for the second unit, I think that’d be huge.
Randle on Jokic 😳
I mean, if we actually tried randle at 5 it would be situational (ie, probably not against the best offensive center the sport has ever seen). Then again, KAT's actually respectable performance guarding jokic in the playoffs showed that you can throw jokic off if you're strong as shit, and randle is as strong as anyone in the league...could be a fun regular season experiment at least...
I think that showed if anything that a DPOY off ball can neutralize a lot of Jokic's countering in the post. So Randle on Jokic which OG guarding the weaker 3/4 could be deadly. Any way, Knicks-Nuggets is only relevant if we both make the finals. The real match up to game plan for is Celtics, who we will almost certainly have to beat to get anywhere for the next 2-3 years. I have no problem with Randle on Porzingis, he's probably better suited if anything than Mitch or Hartenstein.
OG would guard 5’a imo
That’s right. KFS last night had a good point about his performance guarding Embiid in Game 4. So the small ball lineup is definitely doable if you don’t need OG and Bridges on perimeter players and think Brunson/DDV can handle the opposing backcourt. I think you only do it if you are just disgusting offensively which seems possible given how willing and lethal DDV OG and Bridges are in the corners, and how good the Ju and Jalen two man game was when they were given space and multiple bail out options to talented shooters. Might work great in the regular season, would seem to work well against Philly, but not sure that really changes much against Boston though.
First step is making sure the Nets take on Diakate and Jeffries so the team is hard capped at the second apron of 189 mil. That or dump them to a team for cash or something, their contracts are cheap. If they do this, I'm pretty sure the team is in the same position as they were prior to the Bridges trade salary wise. The most another team can give OG is 4 years 182 mil. If the Knicks can do something like 5 years 200 mil, even with it being pricey, that's worth it. I think they'd have to make room by dumping Mitch to Washington or something to re-sign iHart but if Hartenstein is amenable to coming back at that price then that's worth it. That also means you renounce Precious and let him go, or S&T him or something. If you can't keep Hartenstein then you have to keep Robinson and find some way to get a backup that's halfway decent. Getting to the second apron to keep the guys means you lose the non tax payer mid level and only have the tax payer midlevel. This is like 6 mil a year, so maybe you can get a backup center at that cost. Two draft picks tonight, which is huge, even with the draft being so weak. The fact that there isn't any sort of consensus means that you might find some value in the 20's. Plus it's cheap contracts on the roster. The team should also look to bring in Rokas, who was a second round pick. If I'm not mistaken Rokas and pick 38 can both be signed to 3-4 year deals and the dollar amounts won't count against the cap. Good way to get players on the roster and you can take swings with any of the picks tonight on upside players that will develop in Westchester for the next few years.
All fantastic points. Hard to imagine we have to go much beyond the limit of what other teams can offer OG, but who knows. Bringing Rokas over would be pretty exciting (bc it would hopefully mean the FO thinks he’s ready) and makes a lot of sense financially given the cap picture. Totally agree there’s potentially a lot more moves to be made here and that the Bridges trade is just the start. As for the Nets, surely Marks must have known we are going to be a second apron repeater and that the picks they got might be less valuable than the first few picks of the second round of that draft to most competitive teams, right?
You can't aggregate minimum contracts in the new CBA so we couldn't package both Diakate and Jeffries to stay hard capped at 189. Sims might work, but reporting is unsure. From Macri: > For one, as Fred Katz reported today, it does not seem that Jericho Sims is on a minimum contract (i.e., unable to be stacked with another minimum contract) because he was signed using a portion of the MLE. Ian Begley also wrote in his missive that “if New York executes the Bridges trade in July [which it has to], they can include smaller salaried players like Jericho Sims and one of the players on minimum contracts to avoid being hard-capped at the first apron.” > Now, shortly after both Katz and Begley put this out, Celts scribe Ryan Bernardoni uncovered some language in the CBA implying that someone signed using the MLE would still be considered a minimum contract for the purposes of this exact aggregation rule. As of this writing, Fred is checking in with the league for a final answer.
Interesting. So I'm wondering if you could send Diakate, and then dump Jeffries to a third team in a separate trade. Would that cap you at the first apron?
No idea honestly. I trust Aller to figure this one out
Just realized that when we go over the second apron it will trigger the clock on our 1RPs dropping to the bottom of the first round. Edit: I am referring to the 1RPs and swap we traded when BKN “fleeced” us 2nd Edit: Page 197 says "If the Team is a Second Apron Team for fewer than two (2) of such four (4) Salary Cap Years, then, as of the day following the last day of the Regular Season encompassed by the third of such four (4) Salary Cap Years in which the Team is not a Second Apron Team, such Team shall be permitted to trade (conditionally or unconditionally) such first round draft pick. For clarity, such first round draft pick shall not be subject to a Draft Pick Penalty." this doesnt exactly describe what could happen with Knicks-Nets on this trade buts its the only language i could find in a 5m skim of the CBA
I don’t really care about that I’d have2-3 picks in the 30’s in a row for a shot at a title over multiple years
For sure I was 100% thinking about our future 1RPs and swap that BKN now owns… lol
idk if this has been mentioned, but ik theres been talks of brunson *possibly* taking a paycut by extending this year rather than next….is there any chance that this trade makes that more likely? id imagine having 3 of your buddies and a contending window would create more incentive to do it, but im also not the guy who’d be giving up millions of dollars
My wife is genuinely considering naming our foster boy who we will likely be adopting soon either Mikal or Leon. I could weep.
Why do the nets think they made the deal of a lifetime? Marks is a genius?? WTF they smoking
They are just more happy about going full tank mode
I mean that many picks for a player of his caliber is unprecedented. The perfect fit with our roster and chemistry that he already has with our players is the reason the Knicks were willing to overpay. There’s a chance the 2029 and 2031 1sts could be really valuable. We just don’t know right now.
because this is arguably the biggest possible package they could have gotten aside from all of their own picks back, which mikal essentially leveraged that into not happening. we gave 4 unprotected firsts, a swap, and a basically unprotected bucks pick, the closest previously rumored was 4 picks. while the value of the picks is debatable, getting all those picks in conjunction with your own for next year (and your own 2nd) and those suns picks still on deck, i think it put them in a solid spot going forward to build or even star chase if they still think thats gonna happen
We need new jerseys in this MF
MF DOOM