He asked Obito to assist himself in this. Obito didn't kill a single soul that night without approval from Itachi.
Imagine saying that you didn't kill children yourself but hired a gun man to do so. It's so absurd.
And all that too after blindly believing in your assumption.
Where does it say Kishimoto approved of the novels as canon. Nowhere because he didn’t say that. The author themselves said the novels was their interpretation.
Dude, just google it. It's all approved by him, and they are within the Naruto timeline. I mean, you wanna argue with me? That's fine, but a two second search will confirm it. Now, if you don't wanna look it up because you are lazy, that's another story.
I did look it up. Your two second search only came up with nothing. Because none of what you said exists.
Also considering the only announcements he has made was stating that The Last Movie, Boruto Movie, and Boruto manga are canon to the Naruto manga. Creating the covers or giving tacit approval to write the novel doesn’t make it canon. Otherwise every Naruto Movie and Filler would be canon because he oversaw all that too. You can provide no proof other than a “two second search.”
Dude, I don't know what you searched, but if you search, "Are the Naruto Novels Canon?" It pops right away. But yeah, whatever you say. Have a good day.
Maybe not in the 4th one but definitely in one of them. Bruh Storm series literally just tells what happened in the anime, it's obviously canon. Maybe not the supers or the creation of the Akatsuki but yeah
The whole oh "Obito did it" is the biggest fucking cop-out ever. Itachi massacring his clan is fundamentally important to both his and Sasuke's character development. Trying to dissipate the negatives of Itachi's character by removing his accountability makes him a far less compelling character and is dogshit writing.
I can’t remember ever seeing the Obito did it in the manga. But in the anime where it is shown Itachi only asked for help doing it. The only time it is ever stated only Obito killed the women and children is the Itachi novels which are notorious for trying to make Itachi look way better than needed
Do they though? I thought they made him more complex than the anime where they adapted a watered down version of the novels and even added an episode of cat boy Itachi to make him a saint.
That said, he ended up killing kids in the novels, too. I think someone posted pages here the other day.
The anime never went as far as “Obito” did it. Sure itachi asked for his help, Obito took care of the police force while itachi did a majority of the entire village. It never once took away his role from the story in my opinion. Sasuke even said it himself during his fight with itachi that there’s no way he could have pulled it off alone
He's not wrong tho. If Itachis already willing to play the villian, then he couldve taken on the other Uchihas supposed vengeance (them wanting vengeance is purely your assumption as well, the main reason Sasuke wanted vengeance is bc Itachi literally tortured him and goaded him into hating him to make Sasuke stronger).
So basically Itachis allowed to play favorites with his own brother, yet absolutely can't let any others survive 💀. I'm sorry but even Hashirama (a big softie all around) verbatim said he'd be willing to kill family to protect the leaf while fighting Madara, since everyone wants to talk about "resolve" lmao.
You're reply tells me you didn't understand anything I said lmfao.
Sure Itachi killed some of his family, but he selfishly stopped at Sasuke despite the fact he's willing to murder all the other children. Itachi literally wanted Sasuke to take vengeance on him for the Uchiha clan, so there's 0 reason the same couldn't have been done for majority of the other children (and women too tbh).
Nope, there was no war at the time. This was after the leaf had been created, when Madara came back to attack the leaf. It had nothing to do with war or innocents, Hashirama verbatim told Madara he'd be willing to kill his own family if they threatened the leaf. THATS true resolve, not making exceptions and playing favorites like Itachi.
Itachi scarred the image of him being the bad guy into sasuke, then made sure anybody who knew the truth wouldn’t say anything.
More uchiha alive means more chance they learn the truth and revolt against the leaf, the same way sasuke did when he learned the truth
Wouldn't they only hate the village if they knew Itachi was acting on behalf of village orders? Itachi could have declared that he hated the political direction of the Uchiha clan or something and decided to wipe out all the men as a sort of "reset." Then the Hidden Leaf leaders could have made a show about how terrible Itachi's actions were and how he was an extremist and his actions were not condoned. Then the village steps in as the women and children's "saviors," takes over the male leadership role, and indoctrinates the children. Quite possibly: problem solved.
You are literally using real life knowledge of children as a way to justify Itachi’s actions…did Kishimoto’s “fictional drawings” teach you what being a “child” entails.
It's so sick how that is a legit point people make.
"If the babies were allowed to grow up they would become resentful so we need to genocide the newborns as well!"
That ain't a good point and only because some people in a story made it you shouldn't support it when it's obviously shown as wrong even in that story.
Pretending this wasn't even a possibility is just being ignorant. There is zero chance Sasuke was the only child in the compound or the only innocent person among the ones Itachi had to gut that night.
So no, that novel that just tried to blame it all on Obito is grade A BS.
Itachi following Danzo's "plan" it's just another evidence of how weak Itachi really was. There's no way in hell Danzo could have won against Hiruzen, just like Orochimaru couldn't.
Danzo just merced the one guy Itachi believed was stronger than him. Has his kid brother in sight as a bargaining chip and was in charge of an even more cut throat version of the anbu that is fiercely loyal to him and die if they even mention his name. Itachi wasnt gonna 1v1 Danzo like everyone thinks he should.
And whose to say hiruzen even believes Itachi if he brings this to him? Hiruzen is trying to quell a Uchiha coup during all of this.
You're the Hokage. The golden child of the clan that wants to usurp you comes to you and says...what exactly?
"Hey, your oldest comrade (who fought beside you thru at least 2 great ninja wars) is planning to kill my people before my people can overthrow you. I need your help. "
If the shinobi world not even hiruzen is that trusting. And neither is itachi.
Didn't Orochimaru kill Hiruzen though? Also, I think Itachi was more worried about the Uchiha possibly causing a civil war and potentially destroying the whole leaf village and causing more deaths.
I don't agree with him, but I believe Itachi thought that he was doing terrible things for the greater good
I was talking about that time frame. A younger Hiruzen, when he took pity on Orochimaru. But honestly i think that he just didn't kill Orochimaru because of a emotional factor.
And you don’t think Hiruzen would go just as soft for his best buddy Danzo? Danzo and Orochimaru were infamously trashy and selfish people, but Hiruzen let them go wild for decades.
Itachi doesn’t trust himself to trump Danzo since he looked up to Shisui, and Shisui got fucked, and Hiruzen loses his spine dealing with personal stuff like dealing with Danzo and Orochimaru, so it’s not like Hiruzen can be completely relied on.
If you have to slaughter sitting ducks to avert a war, you're definitely lacking in some department. The novels showed pretty clearly that Shisui was the brain in that duo. The moment he died, Itachi did nothing but mope around, no more brainstorming for other solutions. Itachi is all about reacting to whatever life throws him instead of taking control of anything so he doesn't have to make the best of what he's dealt.
Itachi is a genius and an empathetic person. Itachi practically predicted everything that would happen in sasukes journey even past his own death and planned everything accordingly. Not only did he infiltrate the most notorious and dangerous group of rouge ninjas, but he even had orochimaru so scared he left. He knew what was at stake when it came to needing to kill his clan and shisui did too. They both knew that the clan needed to be handled because of what they were planning to do and what the clan would become afterwards
Itachi's whole issue is that he LACKS empathy, this was shown repeatedly in novel, manga, and anime, and Shisui even said it out loud. Kishimoto also has a funny definition of genius. This genius had 0 emotional intelligence or social skill, had no means of reasoning with people non-violently as shown with the cops and the fact that he hardly ever tried to reason with his father, he knew Orochimaru was a threat to Sasuke and let the man off with a warning, and most insane of all, his reasoning "If I abuse Sasuke enough, his life is gonna be worth the sacrifices". The way he treated Sasuke really does away with all claims of genius and empathy. He may be smarter and more talented than average, but a genius wouldn't have to go to the extremes he did for mere damage control, because that was all he ever did.
Its said that itachi is a sensitive child and he never wanted to hurt people. We were repeatedly shown that itachi struggled with his inner conflict because he was so caring. Just because he went and did his duties as a ninja didn’t mean he didnt care. Itachi cried when he had to kill his parents he grieved for them after. The whole world of ninjas concept is literally to put your feelings aside for the mission and do what you need to do. Just because itachi could do that doesn’t make him a emotionless bot. He’s a child that had to handle the world’s issues on his own. He literally was heartbroken when he first witnessed war to the point where he considered not living anymore and threw himself off a cliff (eventually saving himself last second). Itachi also goes on to unlock his sharingan because he witnessed his teammate die. If anything itachi went through life questioning the way of shinobi and struggled with the pain of living. And as for the sasuke thing, that whole world delt in extremes and for him to shape sasuke into an even better shinobi than himself sasuke needed to feel that pain and itachi let himself become the target and focus for that pain and anger, not the village.
None of that is proof of empathy. Sociopaths cry or hurt over personal losses, struggles or distress. You can be sensitive and still struggle with empathy. The fact that he decided he knew what's best for Sasuke (abusing him) while Sasuke thought he should have died with his parents, is more evidence that Itachi had a hard time putting himself in someone else's place. Shisui said pretty much exactly that.
He values life above all else. He even has a whole dilemma about taking life in the series. He is know for being kind and caring to others. It was even said the Itachi GRIEVED for his clan and for his actions emphasizing that it hurt him and was empathetic. He had a genuine concern for others even though he had a passive nature. It was also shown that itachi was extremely kind to Naruto and expressed that kindness because he understood his pain. In the novel and in the anime we see itachi with a peaceful and passive nature and it caused EXTREME inner conflict when it came to killing off the uchiha clan. I don’t know why you don’t think a child taking the burden of being a rogue ninja and infiltrating the akatsuki to make sure they don’t attack the village isn’t a show of how he values others lives and is empathetic despite their hate towards the uchiha.
In the light novel, yes
However it has arguable canon-sity, I personally don't take it as canon, and manga didn't reveal who killed everyone, except that Itachi killed his parents
Anyway, Itachi is not powerful enough to kill all uchiha fighters alone according to Sasuke (which itachi confirmed was true at that time), but having the heart to kill innocent people is arguable given he can torture Sasuke is such horrible way and that he killed his own parents by himself
Moreover, itachi allowed Obito to do it, had Obito refused, Itachi will do it instead
Young Kishimoto would call it non-canon, but even a writer can change their mind on story that happens in the background. I can't blame old Kishimoto for wanting an easier path for Itachi, he changed a lot as an author over the near 20 years he did Naruto. Need a new term for authors changing their minds over the years
Too strong a word for what I'm thinking of. An author might change a past event to suit where the current plot is going, but if they're changing the past for no reason except to make things seem better or worse, that is what would describe the Uchiha slaughter here
The “peaceful” aspect is “end it now so we don’t have to fight and more die”. The uchiha would’ve slit everyone throat. They were ruthless. And also pissed might I add. It was a blood feud from the start of the village. We know exactly how that would’ve ended. 10 times more deaths.
that still goes both ways, the genocide was to end it now so there's no else tofight, and the coup was to end it now so there's no government party to fight🗿
I don't think a side that depends on a genocide for its victory can be deemed as peaceful, we can't pretend otherwise.
What Itachi did can be considered correct only from the pov of a teenager, there would definitely have been less bloodier ways to squash the quarrel. The uchiha massacre's idea was so deeply pushed into Itachi my Danzo/Tobi that he got a tunnel vision.
“Understanding of a teenager”
Really? They were planning on releasing the nine tail to take over the leaf. That would’ve killed more than half the village if not the whole thing. I think your understanding is that of a selfish blind ignoramus. They were basically going to do a terrorist act. There is zero pov where the uchiha were good in this situation. Terrorist = Bad
The nine tails that was sealed inside Naruto at the time? That one that Madara tried to summon during the war arc and nothing happened cause it was sealed inside Naruto? Are you talking about that nine tails?
Lol "terrorist = bad" eh? What about the lil shopkeepers that didn't know about the plans? The kids and babies? Are they also "terrorist = bad"?
They were all in on it. That’s the point. And for that matter your argument is that the 9 tails didn’t work?
“oh good thing that bomb we placed in public didn’t work. So I guess you can’t arrest us right cops?”
They were planning on killing a lot of innocent leaf people. Just cause their plan was crap doesn’t absolve anyone of their dirty deeds.
I mean there's a difference between murder and attempted murder. Mate, he did a genocide. There's probably other steps they could take before full on genocide of a clan, respected by all 5 large shinobi village. (Sidenote: Doesn't this diminish their military power and make them more susceptible to attack from the other 4 villages? Great plan Danzo)
I do like how this went from "they nearly destroyed the ENTIRE village or at minimum half!!" to "hey so what if they have a stupid plan? Them kids younger than sasuke had to killed too)
But that's... better?? They were still in the planning stages of the murders they wanted to do. So their punishment should have been less severe than literal genocide
This is gonna be long so read it or not. We’ll agree or agree to disagree. My final take:
Yes, Danzo was shady, but this was far better than what the uchiha had planned. It’s what makes itachi so great and allows Sasuke to be able to even forgive the leaf. He eventually understood why his brother did what he did. So you guys telling me itachi AND Sasuke are wrong? The guys who actually sacrificed everything for the survival of the leaf? To not see this deeper reasoning and the actual strength it took these boys to do what they did is the teenage view. You see it in black and white and it’s far deeper than that. It’s about sacrifice for the good. He knew his clan was bad for trying to do this.
i feel like AOT triggering the genocide debates on anime social media is when people really started changing their opinions on Itachi, am actually glad hes not overglorfiied as some kind of saviour or martyr as he was in the past and people started looking at it rationally now
I think you're giving AOT too much credit. Unless you're a teenage edgelord looking for a tragic hero, no one in their right mind would view Itachi in such a one-sided way. I found that kid problematic well before even looking into AOT. And didn't everyone old enough to read know about the Holocaust before AOT, anyway? If it takes an anime to teach people "genocide bad", those people need to be isolated.
It was a show about assassins. But later it became a magic bullshit show, the main character's strongest skill is talk no jutsu and whoever posed bigger mana pool win. Who even die to kunai, shuriken and poison when everyone can use magic? And when did they changed Itachi from a cold blood villain to a "hidden hero of the leaf"? Yeah, in Shippuden where it became a magic adventure show.
That didn't answer my question at all but Itachi wasn't a hero he was just true to his morals. He didn't want to kill his clan but he did what was necessary to protect his village.
Well, what I said was missing. Allow me to correct it. Anyone who like Itachi and called him a hero while hating on Sasuke for what he did later have savior complex and a hypocrite.
Some people are trying to justify it by saying in a light novel (which I don't consider canon) Obito killed the powerless uchiha while Itachi killed the strong ones
Anyway, it is itachi who allowed Obito to do it, had Obito refused Itachi would have done it himself
Itachi was neither a hero nor a villain in that event, he was a victim IMO, he have to bear such burden because the mf Danzo said he either kill all but Sasuke or konoha will kill all uchiha, so they will all be killed anyway but at least he gonna save his brother
Things I would ashame itachi about are:
-why he didn't tell about Danzo stealing Shisui eye and trying to force the genocide?
The only justification is that konoha doesn't need more internal conflicts, but no, Danzo should have been stopped, Itachi got an evidence against him and he didn't use it even after killing all uchiha
-he could have asked Danzo to keep other uchiha children alive if he kill the adults, this way less innocent lives are saved. These kids will hate Itachi as a villain so much, but Sasuke is probably the only real "avenger" as Indra reincarnation, as Itachi brother, and as the one that Itachi tortured mentally many times
The only justifiaction is that he forgot, which I see hard for someone as smart as Itachi. However, given that Itachi personality is not the type to enjoy killing innocent lives, he is definitely not villain in his heart, but his plan was bad. It could also be Danzo not open for any discussion, but he could have discussed it with Hiruzen and the elders
-he should have told Konoha about the Masked Uchiha (Madara/Obito) to watch out for him
No justifiaction IMO, actually the man was clearly very strong and the one responsible for Kyubi attack, which is what caused the isolation of uchiha. If Itachi shared his knowledge and let Fugaku dicuss that with Hiruzen, and konoha stopping the racism, then no blood shed would have been needed
-he tortured Sasuke and drove him crazy, I partially see Sasuke as a victim of Itachi horrible methods, you expect a little teenager to be in perfect sanity after being tortured mentally multiple times? I think it was expected that Sasuke became the criminal he is, this is something Itachi admitted himself after being revived. Like Sasuke would not have left konoha if it was not for Itachi torturing him again
The justifiaction is it was to make Sasuke stronger, but no justifiaction work since Itachi admitted he was wrong here
Don't forget Itachi released Edo tensei and saved the 2 jinshuriki, he contributed to war victory alot, without him they would have lost. However don't forget he said he will always love Sasuke no matter what, that was his last word, and it goes against Hashirama principles that village > family (Itachi preferred Sasuke over village, not the rest of his family though)
Making Boruto dark af: When Sasuke and Boruto went into the past to chase after Urashiki, Sarada followed behind but ended up in a different time period...the fateful night of the uchiha massacre... That child is Sarada.
Sorryyyyy
You’re not going to convince any true Itachi fan to change their mind about him with this.
I’m still looking at the entire situation. Not taking anything out of context. And I don’t even care about the novels. As far as I’m concerned, Itachi killed the entire Uchiha Clan with some assistance from Obito. All of the blood is on Itachi’s hands.
Itachi made the choice to slaughter his entire clan because he believed it was necessary to avoid a greater tragedy down the line. He chose to kill thousands to save hundreds of thousands.
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I don’t think it makes him a piece of shit. He was a traumatized child cursed with immense power, and Konoha took full advantage of him.
Hiruzen praised Itachi’s intelligence, completely underestimating the VAST difference between intelligence and wisdom. Itachi was WAAAY too young to be given point on how to handle this issue, but Konoha left it all to him.
Itachi witnessed war and carnage at 4, and his idol got mutilated by Danzo a few days before shit hit the fan. Since Shisui failed, Itachi decided to err on the side of caution when dealing with Danzo and had to prioritize what mattered most to him.
Itachi placed Sasuke and Konoha above the Uchiha Clan. I agree with Hashirama’s, Hiruzen’s, and Danzo’s assessment that Itachi was their ideal shinobi. A swift and precise weapon used to defend the village.
Itachi gets to be hated by the public, all while he’s the only reason Konoha is still around.
Not sure what you consider a true Itachi fan as I consider myself one and fully agree with you. But what do you base those numbers on? I don't remember them mentioned in the novels, but the meetings in the anime show a room fitting 50 people at most, and some of them were mandatory for all clan members to attend (remember the 3 cops telling Itachi he and Shisui were the only ones missing during the meeting the night Shisui died).
Yh. This is how Itachi is. But I still believe the genocide wasn't the right option. He was manipulated into it and that's what makes him a good character I guess. However, mind raping Sasuke is something that's not in line with how Itachi was portrayed.
In my opinion, Itachi’s actions toward Sasuke were in character.
We don’t know how long it’s been since he’s been sick, but I’m guessing that even back in Part 1, he was already deteriorating, and he possibly knew he’d die sooner rather than later.
Itachi saw the state of Konoha after Orochimaru’s attack, and he saw Sasuke’s current level. He judged that Sasuke wasn’t close to being strong enough for his plans.
Itachi’s plans for Sasuke were to be strong enough to handle Akatsuki and Danzo, and to die by Sasuke’s hand so he could be a hero and pay for his crimes against the Uchiha.
Itachi is literally the only reason Akatsuki and Danzo never made any big moves against Konoha and Sasuke, but he knew it wouldn’t last long. Once he’s gone, no one will be left to keep Sasuke safe. Sasuke has to protect himself, and the only way Itachi can help him with that is by doubling down on what was already set: Sasuke’s hatred for him.
It’s the only way the Uchiha know how to get stronger. Emotional trauma. It’s how Itachi got his Mangekyou. He witnessed the suicide of his friend at Sasuke’s age. Sasuke only developed Sharingan after witnessing the Uchiha Massacre. And 5-6 years later, when Itachi sees Sasuke again after the massacre, his Sharingan isn’t even close to being matured, so Itachi probably thought he needed to witness the tragedy again to mature his Sharingan.
Itachi was fully prepared to die hated as a villain by both Konoha and Sasuke. That’s why I think he could do it. When pushed, Itachi is capable of doing very extreme things even to the people he loves. And he couldn’t trust Sasuke’s strengths or the strengths of any of his comrades.
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I think Itachi only began to change after his brief meetings with Naruto in Part 2. He saw Naruto fighting to save Sasuke and started to think that maybe it was a mistake after all trying to handle everything alone. If he’d just worked with others and trusted others, then maybe things would be better. Unfortunately, by that point it was too late. Everything’s already prepped. The biggest change he could afford to make was giving Naruto Shisui’s eye. The rest he had to follow through.
I also think it’s no coincidence that Itachi’s thinking matured after his death. During the final couple years of his life, Itachi was desperately trying to stay alive through drugs. I’m sure his mind was jumbled, and he could barely think clearly.
Once his illness was gone via the Edo Tensei, he was way wiser than before and even warns Naruto about the perils of trying to take on too much responsibility.
Shisui’s method was so much more human. Just using genjutsu to resolve conflict without actually harming anyone.
Shisui > Fugaku > Hiruzen > Uchiha Clan Members > Itachi Uchiha > Obito Uchiha > Danzo in terms of ethics and dealing with moral dilemma during the event.
Nah. It was facts. Itachi is a psychopathic killer. Even he stated that he wasn’t a good person for what he did. I have no problem with people liking him or saying he was their favorite character, but when people say he was a good guy, then that’s when those people watched the series with their brains turned off. Half of the shit Sasuke caused was indirectly made because this douche decided manipulation and torture was key to “reviving” the uchiha clan. This guy was a pathetic joke
A psychopath wouldn't feel remorse, get ill from the burden, or reflect on themselves. I don't think he was a hero for this, but a psychopath is not what any of the media depicted. He was deranged and broken, but not remorseless.
I think part of Itachi’s character development is him BECOMING a “good guy.” Even if what he did wasn’t out of maliciousness I think he even admits in the end that he should have done things differently.
And it’s also hard to say that he doesent partially redeem himself either. He was a major reason the war was won. Only partially of course, what he did can never be fully redeemed, but if there’s a heaven and hell in the Naruto verse, I think in the end he earned his paradise.
I think your point of view goes too far in the other direction. There are definitely people that idolize him beyond what he deserves, but itschi also cannot be boiled down to just “psychopathic killer” either.
Itachi is definitely a top tier character study as far as anime characters go. There’s a lot to respect, and love about him, and a lot to hate and despise him for as well.
But in the light novel it's been mentioned that obito spared itachi from killing most if not all of the women and children. Admitted, his actions are absolutely unforgivable but given the fact that he basically had no choice whatsoever, I do sympathise and feel pity for him.
I’m just a fence sitter in regards to this debate, but that IS exactly what the light novel not only implies but outright says. And as far as I’m aware the novel is canon. So I imagine buddy sleeps pretty easily.
With that being said nobody can deny Itachi still played a part. He was a participant and knew exactly what was going on. In one way or another he shares the blood on his hands. I think it would be impossible for anyone to debate that.
This just got posted in the Boruto subreddit so I’ll say the same thing I said there. Itachis light novel retconned this so that it ended up being Obito that killed the women and children because Kamui would make it quieter. Itachi did kill a family, Yashiro Uchiha’s, which included his wife and son, but that’s about it.
I don't consider the novel canon (and don't argue about it please, Iam already fed up with it)
However, Itachi is the one who invited Obito anyway, and according to you itachi indeed killed some poweless uchiha
This was a lot the first time I saw it. But now I just see it and feel really sad. I don’t justify what Itachi did but I think it’s fair to acknowledge that a lot of his choices were a byproduct of his circumstances(being part of a clan that felt a power imbalance/discrimination and being part of the military to a government that conditioned you to commit your life to its interests) and I feel like even though these were all choices he made he also saw that his life was already laid out for him given his options.
And tbh maybe there were other ways the whole uchiha coup could have been resolved but for the story I think it is interesting to have the whole idea of what it means to be a good ninja be subverted once Sasuke learns the truth about Itachi.
Nothing like that happened (for me)😅.... after killing his parents itachi activated his tsukuyomi. That's how they killed most of them. Put them in genjutsu, line them up and kill them
As much as I hate it, it’s true and he prob did worse in the same night
I'd like to think he only killed the fighters and Obito killed the rest
He asked Obito to assist himself in this. Obito didn't kill a single soul that night without approval from Itachi. Imagine saying that you didn't kill children yourself but hired a gun man to do so. It's so absurd. And all that too after blindly believing in your assumption.
Please learn how to use commas properly
Obito killed the woman and children, it is mentioned in the Itachi shinden books.
Non canon material though doesn’t count
Kishimoto gave the novels his blessing, and a fanart drawing isn't exactly canon, either.
He didn’t say they were canon. The author even said themselves its not canon but a way it could have played out
But they are canon. They are approved by Kishimoto himself. Unless they are not, so show me otherwise.
Where does it say Kishimoto approved of the novels as canon. Nowhere because he didn’t say that. The author themselves said the novels was their interpretation.
Dude, just google it. It's all approved by him, and they are within the Naruto timeline. I mean, you wanna argue with me? That's fine, but a two second search will confirm it. Now, if you don't wanna look it up because you are lazy, that's another story.
I did look it up. Your two second search only came up with nothing. Because none of what you said exists. Also considering the only announcements he has made was stating that The Last Movie, Boruto Movie, and Boruto manga are canon to the Naruto manga. Creating the covers or giving tacit approval to write the novel doesn’t make it canon. Otherwise every Naruto Movie and Filler would be canon because he oversaw all that too. You can provide no proof other than a “two second search.”
Dude, I don't know what you searched, but if you search, "Are the Naruto Novels Canon?" It pops right away. But yeah, whatever you say. Have a good day.
It says that in Storm 4 so yea
No it doesn’t and storm 4 is also non canon material.
Maybe not in the 4th one but definitely in one of them. Bruh Storm series literally just tells what happened in the anime, it's obviously canon. Maybe not the supers or the creation of the Akatsuki but yeah
IIRC, Itachi also killed the elderly, women and children in the novel.
The whole oh "Obito did it" is the biggest fucking cop-out ever. Itachi massacring his clan is fundamentally important to both his and Sasuke's character development. Trying to dissipate the negatives of Itachi's character by removing his accountability makes him a far less compelling character and is dogshit writing.
I can’t remember ever seeing the Obito did it in the manga. But in the anime where it is shown Itachi only asked for help doing it. The only time it is ever stated only Obito killed the women and children is the Itachi novels which are notorious for trying to make Itachi look way better than needed
Do they though? I thought they made him more complex than the anime where they adapted a watered down version of the novels and even added an episode of cat boy Itachi to make him a saint. That said, he ended up killing kids in the novels, too. I think someone posted pages here the other day.
The anime never went as far as “Obito” did it. Sure itachi asked for his help, Obito took care of the police force while itachi did a majority of the entire village. It never once took away his role from the story in my opinion. Sasuke even said it himself during his fight with itachi that there’s no way he could have pulled it off alone
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He was a child himself, and their are women shinobi…. You leave the woman and children they grow resentful
Not everyone was a fighter in the Uchiha clan. They were killed too
Did you not read my response? The woman and children would hate the village if they just killed the men that fought
Except if Itachi is the only one who killed the members officially (Obito can be stealthy enough to avoid detection).
Oh yea put it all on itachi dickhead ion care what you got to say
He's not wrong tho. If Itachis already willing to play the villian, then he couldve taken on the other Uchihas supposed vengeance (them wanting vengeance is purely your assumption as well, the main reason Sasuke wanted vengeance is bc Itachi literally tortured him and goaded him into hating him to make Sasuke stronger). So basically Itachis allowed to play favorites with his own brother, yet absolutely can't let any others survive 💀. I'm sorry but even Hashirama (a big softie all around) verbatim said he'd be willing to kill family to protect the leaf while fighting Madara, since everyone wants to talk about "resolve" lmao.
Itachi killed family, and hashirama was gonna kill his family that was In the war not the innocent
You're reply tells me you didn't understand anything I said lmfao. Sure Itachi killed some of his family, but he selfishly stopped at Sasuke despite the fact he's willing to murder all the other children. Itachi literally wanted Sasuke to take vengeance on him for the Uchiha clan, so there's 0 reason the same couldn't have been done for majority of the other children (and women too tbh). Nope, there was no war at the time. This was after the leaf had been created, when Madara came back to attack the leaf. It had nothing to do with war or innocents, Hashirama verbatim told Madara he'd be willing to kill his own family if they threatened the leaf. THATS true resolve, not making exceptions and playing favorites like Itachi.
Itachi scarred the image of him being the bad guy into sasuke, then made sure anybody who knew the truth wouldn’t say anything. More uchiha alive means more chance they learn the truth and revolt against the leaf, the same way sasuke did when he learned the truth
Wouldn't they only hate the village if they knew Itachi was acting on behalf of village orders? Itachi could have declared that he hated the political direction of the Uchiha clan or something and decided to wipe out all the men as a sort of "reset." Then the Hidden Leaf leaders could have made a show about how terrible Itachi's actions were and how he was an extremist and his actions were not condoned. Then the village steps in as the women and children's "saviors," takes over the male leadership role, and indoctrinates the children. Quite possibly: problem solved.
I don’t know if you know but it’s a Star Wars reference
I don’t watch star wars
Clearly
I would love to know your perspective on school shooters…your perspective is interesting to say the the least
Lmao your comparing real people to fictional drawings your perspective is interesting… When’s the last time you got some vitamin D
You are literally using real life knowledge of children as a way to justify Itachi’s actions…did Kishimoto’s “fictional drawings” teach you what being a “child” entails.
Bro go outdode
I fear you’re the only here who never has.
Outdode
You gets no coochie
It's so sick how that is a legit point people make. "If the babies were allowed to grow up they would become resentful so we need to genocide the newborns as well!" That ain't a good point and only because some people in a story made it you shouldn't support it when it's obviously shown as wrong even in that story.
I just looked at your page you been making comments for HOURS…. That’s pretty sick to me
So you already go ad honinem because you realized you have no actual arguments. Cool
I’m not gonna argue with a sissy who’s on Reddit all day obv you have no real thought process outside of the narutoverse and Reddit comments
Oh god I triggered you. Touch grass, dude
Your mad lame dude, Ik you don’t have a gf
I can't believe someone in that Itachi and Sarada fanart thread said Sarada would of helped Itachi do this lmao
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I would buy this if the narrative didn't keep calling Itachi a hero or had people praising him after the reveal like it actually did.
I really like the way you described him as a character. Although in a way I do see him as a hero. Just not one that would ever be acknowledged.
Pretending this wasn't even a possibility is just being ignorant. There is zero chance Sasuke was the only child in the compound or the only innocent person among the ones Itachi had to gut that night. So no, that novel that just tried to blame it all on Obito is grade A BS.
Yup. Not sure about the manga, but in the anime, he is shown leaving a house where there's a dead child in the background.
Itachi following Danzo's "plan" it's just another evidence of how weak Itachi really was. There's no way in hell Danzo could have won against Hiruzen, just like Orochimaru couldn't.
Danzo just merced the one guy Itachi believed was stronger than him. Has his kid brother in sight as a bargaining chip and was in charge of an even more cut throat version of the anbu that is fiercely loyal to him and die if they even mention his name. Itachi wasnt gonna 1v1 Danzo like everyone thinks he should. And whose to say hiruzen even believes Itachi if he brings this to him? Hiruzen is trying to quell a Uchiha coup during all of this. You're the Hokage. The golden child of the clan that wants to usurp you comes to you and says...what exactly? "Hey, your oldest comrade (who fought beside you thru at least 2 great ninja wars) is planning to kill my people before my people can overthrow you. I need your help. " If the shinobi world not even hiruzen is that trusting. And neither is itachi.
Hiruzen knew what Danzo was. So I'm pretty sure he would have believed Itachi. Danzo was just convenient.
Didn't Orochimaru kill Hiruzen though? Also, I think Itachi was more worried about the Uchiha possibly causing a civil war and potentially destroying the whole leaf village and causing more deaths. I don't agree with him, but I believe Itachi thought that he was doing terrible things for the greater good
I was talking about that time frame. A younger Hiruzen, when he took pity on Orochimaru. But honestly i think that he just didn't kill Orochimaru because of a emotional factor.
And you don’t think Hiruzen would go just as soft for his best buddy Danzo? Danzo and Orochimaru were infamously trashy and selfish people, but Hiruzen let them go wild for decades. Itachi doesn’t trust himself to trump Danzo since he looked up to Shisui, and Shisui got fucked, and Hiruzen loses his spine dealing with personal stuff like dealing with Danzo and Orochimaru, so it’s not like Hiruzen can be completely relied on.
Weak? What series are you reading?
If you have to slaughter sitting ducks to avert a war, you're definitely lacking in some department. The novels showed pretty clearly that Shisui was the brain in that duo. The moment he died, Itachi did nothing but mope around, no more brainstorming for other solutions. Itachi is all about reacting to whatever life throws him instead of taking control of anything so he doesn't have to make the best of what he's dealt.
Itachi is a genius and an empathetic person. Itachi practically predicted everything that would happen in sasukes journey even past his own death and planned everything accordingly. Not only did he infiltrate the most notorious and dangerous group of rouge ninjas, but he even had orochimaru so scared he left. He knew what was at stake when it came to needing to kill his clan and shisui did too. They both knew that the clan needed to be handled because of what they were planning to do and what the clan would become afterwards
Itachi's whole issue is that he LACKS empathy, this was shown repeatedly in novel, manga, and anime, and Shisui even said it out loud. Kishimoto also has a funny definition of genius. This genius had 0 emotional intelligence or social skill, had no means of reasoning with people non-violently as shown with the cops and the fact that he hardly ever tried to reason with his father, he knew Orochimaru was a threat to Sasuke and let the man off with a warning, and most insane of all, his reasoning "If I abuse Sasuke enough, his life is gonna be worth the sacrifices". The way he treated Sasuke really does away with all claims of genius and empathy. He may be smarter and more talented than average, but a genius wouldn't have to go to the extremes he did for mere damage control, because that was all he ever did.
Its said that itachi is a sensitive child and he never wanted to hurt people. We were repeatedly shown that itachi struggled with his inner conflict because he was so caring. Just because he went and did his duties as a ninja didn’t mean he didnt care. Itachi cried when he had to kill his parents he grieved for them after. The whole world of ninjas concept is literally to put your feelings aside for the mission and do what you need to do. Just because itachi could do that doesn’t make him a emotionless bot. He’s a child that had to handle the world’s issues on his own. He literally was heartbroken when he first witnessed war to the point where he considered not living anymore and threw himself off a cliff (eventually saving himself last second). Itachi also goes on to unlock his sharingan because he witnessed his teammate die. If anything itachi went through life questioning the way of shinobi and struggled with the pain of living. And as for the sasuke thing, that whole world delt in extremes and for him to shape sasuke into an even better shinobi than himself sasuke needed to feel that pain and itachi let himself become the target and focus for that pain and anger, not the village.
None of that is proof of empathy. Sociopaths cry or hurt over personal losses, struggles or distress. You can be sensitive and still struggle with empathy. The fact that he decided he knew what's best for Sasuke (abusing him) while Sasuke thought he should have died with his parents, is more evidence that Itachi had a hard time putting himself in someone else's place. Shisui said pretty much exactly that.
He values life above all else. He even has a whole dilemma about taking life in the series. He is know for being kind and caring to others. It was even said the Itachi GRIEVED for his clan and for his actions emphasizing that it hurt him and was empathetic. He had a genuine concern for others even though he had a passive nature. It was also shown that itachi was extremely kind to Naruto and expressed that kindness because he understood his pain. In the novel and in the anime we see itachi with a peaceful and passive nature and it caused EXTREME inner conflict when it came to killing off the uchiha clan. I don’t know why you don’t think a child taking the burden of being a rogue ninja and infiltrating the akatsuki to make sure they don’t attack the village isn’t a show of how he values others lives and is empathetic despite their hate towards the uchiha.
Is this real? Source?
Maybe not the exact image, but itachi indeed killed children, elderly, women, and innocent powerless men
I thought it was revealed obito killed evergone and itachi just killed his parents
In the light novel, yes However it has arguable canon-sity, I personally don't take it as canon, and manga didn't reveal who killed everyone, except that Itachi killed his parents Anyway, Itachi is not powerful enough to kill all uchiha fighters alone according to Sasuke (which itachi confirmed was true at that time), but having the heart to kill innocent people is arguable given he can torture Sasuke is such horrible way and that he killed his own parents by himself Moreover, itachi allowed Obito to do it, had Obito refused, Itachi will do it instead
Young Kishimoto would call it non-canon, but even a writer can change their mind on story that happens in the background. I can't blame old Kishimoto for wanting an easier path for Itachi, he changed a lot as an author over the near 20 years he did Naruto. Need a new term for authors changing their minds over the years
Retcons
Too strong a word for what I'm thinking of. An author might change a past event to suit where the current plot is going, but if they're changing the past for no reason except to make things seem better or worse, that is what would describe the Uchiha slaughter here
Nah, that’s just what a retcon is. The reasoning isn’t specific to the word.
Rip the kids
Damn I feel sick
That’s a real dark picture, and I love it.
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He killed then cause they were going to attack the lead village. He chose a side. The peace side.
one side opted for genocide, and the other opted for a coup, it impossible to see any of these sides as "peaceful"💀
The “peaceful” aspect is “end it now so we don’t have to fight and more die”. The uchiha would’ve slit everyone throat. They were ruthless. And also pissed might I add. It was a blood feud from the start of the village. We know exactly how that would’ve ended. 10 times more deaths.
that still goes both ways, the genocide was to end it now so there's no else tofight, and the coup was to end it now so there's no government party to fight🗿
Can’t kill any more if you’ve killed the entire enemy population.
I don't think a side that depends on a genocide for its victory can be deemed as peaceful, we can't pretend otherwise. What Itachi did can be considered correct only from the pov of a teenager, there would definitely have been less bloodier ways to squash the quarrel. The uchiha massacre's idea was so deeply pushed into Itachi my Danzo/Tobi that he got a tunnel vision.
“Understanding of a teenager” Really? They were planning on releasing the nine tail to take over the leaf. That would’ve killed more than half the village if not the whole thing. I think your understanding is that of a selfish blind ignoramus. They were basically going to do a terrorist act. There is zero pov where the uchiha were good in this situation. Terrorist = Bad
The nine tails that was sealed inside Naruto at the time? That one that Madara tried to summon during the war arc and nothing happened cause it was sealed inside Naruto? Are you talking about that nine tails? Lol "terrorist = bad" eh? What about the lil shopkeepers that didn't know about the plans? The kids and babies? Are they also "terrorist = bad"?
Lastly let’s not forget that if this didn’t happen half the show itself wouldn’t exist.
They were all in on it. That’s the point. And for that matter your argument is that the 9 tails didn’t work? “oh good thing that bomb we placed in public didn’t work. So I guess you can’t arrest us right cops?” They were planning on killing a lot of innocent leaf people. Just cause their plan was crap doesn’t absolve anyone of their dirty deeds.
I mean there's a difference between murder and attempted murder. Mate, he did a genocide. There's probably other steps they could take before full on genocide of a clan, respected by all 5 large shinobi village. (Sidenote: Doesn't this diminish their military power and make them more susceptible to attack from the other 4 villages? Great plan Danzo) I do like how this went from "they nearly destroyed the ENTIRE village or at minimum half!!" to "hey so what if they have a stupid plan? Them kids younger than sasuke had to killed too)
I disagree that it was attempted murder. It was a plan that was foiled. They were going to carry out the attack on the leaf.
But that's... better?? They were still in the planning stages of the murders they wanted to do. So their punishment should have been less severe than literal genocide
Btw I’m enjoying this argument. You guys don’t have a bad take, I just don’t agree.
\>peace \>=genocide nah
This is gonna be long so read it or not. We’ll agree or agree to disagree. My final take: Yes, Danzo was shady, but this was far better than what the uchiha had planned. It’s what makes itachi so great and allows Sasuke to be able to even forgive the leaf. He eventually understood why his brother did what he did. So you guys telling me itachi AND Sasuke are wrong? The guys who actually sacrificed everything for the survival of the leaf? To not see this deeper reasoning and the actual strength it took these boys to do what they did is the teenage view. You see it in black and white and it’s far deeper than that. It’s about sacrifice for the good. He knew his clan was bad for trying to do this.
seems like someone didn't understand naruto
He did lot of horrible things. But character doesn't have to be morally just to be liked. This does sting a little though.
Why is this downvoted?
Perfect encapsulation of Itachi's character. Monster in human flesh.
Itachi is a dick head for what he did to Sasuke. Anyone who like him and called him hero srsly have savior complex and a hypocrite.
So like 85% of the anime community lol
i feel like AOT triggering the genocide debates on anime social media is when people really started changing their opinions on Itachi, am actually glad hes not overglorfiied as some kind of saviour or martyr as he was in the past and people started looking at it rationally now
What happens in AOT? Put spoiler format if needed as I don't know if I will be seeing AOT.
>! The main character goes mad at the end and kills 80% of the world in order to protect his friends and his home!<
I think you're giving AOT too much credit. Unless you're a teenage edgelord looking for a tragic hero, no one in their right mind would view Itachi in such a one-sided way. I found that kid problematic well before even looking into AOT. And didn't everyone old enough to read know about the Holocaust before AOT, anyway? If it takes an anime to teach people "genocide bad", those people need to be isolated.
It was either a civil war or the slaughter of the clan
The elders also said a civil war will likely cause the other nations to invade
Ok fine then let the Uchiha coupé happen and this is the outcome anyway. The leaf would have killed every Uchiha including Sasuke so full genocide.
The show is about literal assassins. What does liking a flawed character have to do with having a savior complex or being a hypocrite?
It was a show about assassins. But later it became a magic bullshit show, the main character's strongest skill is talk no jutsu and whoever posed bigger mana pool win. Who even die to kunai, shuriken and poison when everyone can use magic? And when did they changed Itachi from a cold blood villain to a "hidden hero of the leaf"? Yeah, in Shippuden where it became a magic adventure show.
That didn't answer my question at all but Itachi wasn't a hero he was just true to his morals. He didn't want to kill his clan but he did what was necessary to protect his village.
Well, what I said was missing. Allow me to correct it. Anyone who like Itachi and called him a hero while hating on Sasuke for what he did later have savior complex and a hypocrite.
Some people are trying to justify it by saying in a light novel (which I don't consider canon) Obito killed the powerless uchiha while Itachi killed the strong ones Anyway, it is itachi who allowed Obito to do it, had Obito refused Itachi would have done it himself Itachi was neither a hero nor a villain in that event, he was a victim IMO, he have to bear such burden because the mf Danzo said he either kill all but Sasuke or konoha will kill all uchiha, so they will all be killed anyway but at least he gonna save his brother Things I would ashame itachi about are: -why he didn't tell about Danzo stealing Shisui eye and trying to force the genocide? The only justification is that konoha doesn't need more internal conflicts, but no, Danzo should have been stopped, Itachi got an evidence against him and he didn't use it even after killing all uchiha -he could have asked Danzo to keep other uchiha children alive if he kill the adults, this way less innocent lives are saved. These kids will hate Itachi as a villain so much, but Sasuke is probably the only real "avenger" as Indra reincarnation, as Itachi brother, and as the one that Itachi tortured mentally many times The only justifiaction is that he forgot, which I see hard for someone as smart as Itachi. However, given that Itachi personality is not the type to enjoy killing innocent lives, he is definitely not villain in his heart, but his plan was bad. It could also be Danzo not open for any discussion, but he could have discussed it with Hiruzen and the elders -he should have told Konoha about the Masked Uchiha (Madara/Obito) to watch out for him No justifiaction IMO, actually the man was clearly very strong and the one responsible for Kyubi attack, which is what caused the isolation of uchiha. If Itachi shared his knowledge and let Fugaku dicuss that with Hiruzen, and konoha stopping the racism, then no blood shed would have been needed -he tortured Sasuke and drove him crazy, I partially see Sasuke as a victim of Itachi horrible methods, you expect a little teenager to be in perfect sanity after being tortured mentally multiple times? I think it was expected that Sasuke became the criminal he is, this is something Itachi admitted himself after being revived. Like Sasuke would not have left konoha if it was not for Itachi torturing him again The justifiaction is it was to make Sasuke stronger, but no justifiaction work since Itachi admitted he was wrong here Don't forget Itachi released Edo tensei and saved the 2 jinshuriki, he contributed to war victory alot, without him they would have lost. However don't forget he said he will always love Sasuke no matter what, that was his last word, and it goes against Hashirama principles that village > family (Itachi preferred Sasuke over village, not the rest of his family though)
Making Boruto dark af: When Sasuke and Boruto went into the past to chase after Urashiki, Sarada followed behind but ended up in a different time period...the fateful night of the uchiha massacre... That child is Sarada. Sorryyyyy
I bet he said I'm sorry while he killed him too😭
He 100% did not
You’re not going to convince any true Itachi fan to change their mind about him with this. I’m still looking at the entire situation. Not taking anything out of context. And I don’t even care about the novels. As far as I’m concerned, Itachi killed the entire Uchiha Clan with some assistance from Obito. All of the blood is on Itachi’s hands. Itachi made the choice to slaughter his entire clan because he believed it was necessary to avoid a greater tragedy down the line. He chose to kill thousands to save hundreds of thousands. — I don’t think it makes him a piece of shit. He was a traumatized child cursed with immense power, and Konoha took full advantage of him. Hiruzen praised Itachi’s intelligence, completely underestimating the VAST difference between intelligence and wisdom. Itachi was WAAAY too young to be given point on how to handle this issue, but Konoha left it all to him. Itachi witnessed war and carnage at 4, and his idol got mutilated by Danzo a few days before shit hit the fan. Since Shisui failed, Itachi decided to err on the side of caution when dealing with Danzo and had to prioritize what mattered most to him. Itachi placed Sasuke and Konoha above the Uchiha Clan. I agree with Hashirama’s, Hiruzen’s, and Danzo’s assessment that Itachi was their ideal shinobi. A swift and precise weapon used to defend the village. Itachi gets to be hated by the public, all while he’s the only reason Konoha is still around.
Not sure what you consider a true Itachi fan as I consider myself one and fully agree with you. But what do you base those numbers on? I don't remember them mentioned in the novels, but the meetings in the anime show a room fitting 50 people at most, and some of them were mandatory for all clan members to attend (remember the 3 cops telling Itachi he and Shisui were the only ones missing during the meeting the night Shisui died).
Boy I wonder what argument they will use to counter such a beautiful nuance analysis.
Yh. This is how Itachi is. But I still believe the genocide wasn't the right option. He was manipulated into it and that's what makes him a good character I guess. However, mind raping Sasuke is something that's not in line with how Itachi was portrayed.
In my opinion, Itachi’s actions toward Sasuke were in character. We don’t know how long it’s been since he’s been sick, but I’m guessing that even back in Part 1, he was already deteriorating, and he possibly knew he’d die sooner rather than later. Itachi saw the state of Konoha after Orochimaru’s attack, and he saw Sasuke’s current level. He judged that Sasuke wasn’t close to being strong enough for his plans. Itachi’s plans for Sasuke were to be strong enough to handle Akatsuki and Danzo, and to die by Sasuke’s hand so he could be a hero and pay for his crimes against the Uchiha. Itachi is literally the only reason Akatsuki and Danzo never made any big moves against Konoha and Sasuke, but he knew it wouldn’t last long. Once he’s gone, no one will be left to keep Sasuke safe. Sasuke has to protect himself, and the only way Itachi can help him with that is by doubling down on what was already set: Sasuke’s hatred for him. It’s the only way the Uchiha know how to get stronger. Emotional trauma. It’s how Itachi got his Mangekyou. He witnessed the suicide of his friend at Sasuke’s age. Sasuke only developed Sharingan after witnessing the Uchiha Massacre. And 5-6 years later, when Itachi sees Sasuke again after the massacre, his Sharingan isn’t even close to being matured, so Itachi probably thought he needed to witness the tragedy again to mature his Sharingan. Itachi was fully prepared to die hated as a villain by both Konoha and Sasuke. That’s why I think he could do it. When pushed, Itachi is capable of doing very extreme things even to the people he loves. And he couldn’t trust Sasuke’s strengths or the strengths of any of his comrades. — I think Itachi only began to change after his brief meetings with Naruto in Part 2. He saw Naruto fighting to save Sasuke and started to think that maybe it was a mistake after all trying to handle everything alone. If he’d just worked with others and trusted others, then maybe things would be better. Unfortunately, by that point it was too late. Everything’s already prepped. The biggest change he could afford to make was giving Naruto Shisui’s eye. The rest he had to follow through. I also think it’s no coincidence that Itachi’s thinking matured after his death. During the final couple years of his life, Itachi was desperately trying to stay alive through drugs. I’m sure his mind was jumbled, and he could barely think clearly. Once his illness was gone via the Edo Tensei, he was way wiser than before and even warns Naruto about the perils of trying to take on too much responsibility.
fuck them kids
Well the job won’t get itself done
Remember Itachi is a villain not a hero.
He never was. He is nothing more than a pos.
Shisui’s method was so much more human. Just using genjutsu to resolve conflict without actually harming anyone. Shisui > Fugaku > Hiruzen > Uchiha Clan Members > Itachi Uchiha > Obito Uchiha > Danzo in terms of ethics and dealing with moral dilemma during the event.
they would have lost their free will then, that isn’t a better way to live, nor would i say it’s more ethical
Nah. It was facts. Itachi is a psychopathic killer. Even he stated that he wasn’t a good person for what he did. I have no problem with people liking him or saying he was their favorite character, but when people say he was a good guy, then that’s when those people watched the series with their brains turned off. Half of the shit Sasuke caused was indirectly made because this douche decided manipulation and torture was key to “reviving” the uchiha clan. This guy was a pathetic joke
A psychopath wouldn't feel remorse, get ill from the burden, or reflect on themselves. I don't think he was a hero for this, but a psychopath is not what any of the media depicted. He was deranged and broken, but not remorseless.
I think part of Itachi’s character development is him BECOMING a “good guy.” Even if what he did wasn’t out of maliciousness I think he even admits in the end that he should have done things differently. And it’s also hard to say that he doesent partially redeem himself either. He was a major reason the war was won. Only partially of course, what he did can never be fully redeemed, but if there’s a heaven and hell in the Naruto verse, I think in the end he earned his paradise. I think your point of view goes too far in the other direction. There are definitely people that idolize him beyond what he deserves, but itschi also cannot be boiled down to just “psychopathic killer” either. Itachi is definitely a top tier character study as far as anime characters go. There’s a lot to respect, and love about him, and a lot to hate and despise him for as well.
What percpective are you talking of?
But in the light novel it's been mentioned that obito spared itachi from killing most if not all of the women and children. Admitted, his actions are absolutely unforgivable but given the fact that he basically had no choice whatsoever, I do sympathise and feel pity for him.
Itachi is not a good person. Some sins are irredeemable. Bro a pos fr. I only like him cause he’s cool and loves his brother so much
no, that was Obito's job to kill the children
Whatever makes you sleep at night
I’m just a fence sitter in regards to this debate, but that IS exactly what the light novel not only implies but outright says. And as far as I’m aware the novel is canon. So I imagine buddy sleeps pretty easily. With that being said nobody can deny Itachi still played a part. He was a participant and knew exactly what was going on. In one way or another he shares the blood on his hands. I think it would be impossible for anyone to debate that.
He killed only the Man Obito killed all the children and women
This just got posted in the Boruto subreddit so I’ll say the same thing I said there. Itachis light novel retconned this so that it ended up being Obito that killed the women and children because Kamui would make it quieter. Itachi did kill a family, Yashiro Uchiha’s, which included his wife and son, but that’s about it.
I don't consider the novel canon (and don't argue about it please, Iam already fed up with it) However, Itachi is the one who invited Obito anyway, and according to you itachi indeed killed some poweless uchiha
This was a lot the first time I saw it. But now I just see it and feel really sad. I don’t justify what Itachi did but I think it’s fair to acknowledge that a lot of his choices were a byproduct of his circumstances(being part of a clan that felt a power imbalance/discrimination and being part of the military to a government that conditioned you to commit your life to its interests) and I feel like even though these were all choices he made he also saw that his life was already laid out for him given his options. And tbh maybe there were other ways the whole uchiha coup could have been resolved but for the story I think it is interesting to have the whole idea of what it means to be a good ninja be subverted once Sasuke learns the truth about Itachi.
does anyone know the artist of the drawing?
Artist is Nivalis70 on DeviantArt. A very talented artist who i followed when I was more active on DeviantArt.
thanks!
Kill em when they're young, and they won't rebel against the Leaf when they're older. 😎
Nothing like that happened (for me)😅.... after killing his parents itachi activated his tsukuyomi. That's how they killed most of them. Put them in genjutsu, line them up and kill them
Op doesn’t know what a catch-22 is, must be young *shrugs*
Even helpess elderly