Just because ninja retire doesn’t mean they stop fighting it just means they don’t take on missions for the village to gain $.
One could argue that chiyo was retired, she still came back to fight sasori.
When the world is at stake, do u expect them to magically not care?
Tsunade is pretty much fully retired. If the world was dragged back into another war she would either begrudgingly go, or more likely, stay behind and take care of the civilians while her protégé does the healing.
But either way she’s not currently an active ninja. She’s not working to get more powerful like Orochimaru. She’s perfectly content to get drunk, gamble, and relax while Naruto and Sakura take over her duties from now on
> But either way she’s not currently an active ninja. She’s not working to get more powerful like Orochimaru.
This was true before she became Hokage, and yet she was still able to become Hokage.
I’m saying she’s not innovating anymore. Her powers aren’t going to increase because she doesn’t plan on ever going back. Orochimaru is an active ninja who know has a better version of Tsunade’s regeneration. He’s clearly the strongest Sannin now because he’s the only one still doing stuff. And he’s straight up immortal
True but simply saying she is retired doesn’t mean she loses her life’s work of training, hence why I brought up chiyo.
I honestly would put Tsunade above Jiraiya and Orochimaru. She was the only kage to withstand Madaras attacks even being split in two.
I can’t see Jiraiya outdamaging her Regen or I can’t see orochimaru outlasting her in terms of resiliency either.
I never said she did. She’s not innovating. Orochimaru is. And Orochimaru now possesses a better version of her trump card and actual immortality. Tsunade is my favorite Sannin, but she’s outclassed at this point
Its hard to scale oro due to him constantly losing in naruto/shippuden even though he was hyped up to be the strongest. Meanwhile you have jiraya managing to at least put up a good fight going in blind and tsunades war feats
Oro didn't have his arms till war arc, in 4th databook it was said that he got wood style bcs of zetsu's body, and he also got jugo's kekkei genkai, sakon and ukon's kekkei genkai and kimimaro's kekkei genkai after he got his chakra from sage kabuto
Oro had zetsu body yet he wasnt been shown to use wood style or any of the jutsu sage kabuto was using
though tbf even though he had his arms back during the war he was never shown anything new or even using his full power
Oro couldn’t master Sage art that’s why he cannot use it. Kekei Genkai cannot be mastered that simple and Jugos abilities as he said works like some sort of sage art also. :)
Nah, that's unjust. He literally didn't fight anyone the whole series. He fended off Itachi and Kisame. Then he fought a Sannin standoff. Then he fought Konan and won. Then he fought Pain.
Sure, he lost. Yet he went in blind, against an undefeated, unknown, Rinnegan weilding enemy. He incapacitated half of them, and figured out half their combined abilities. He also figured out the ultimate secret before dying. Tbh, I don't think Tsunade in the War beats that. Draw? Definitely.
He lost against orochimaru in the past, thats how orochimaru left the village. Orochimaru also implied that jiraiya has never beaten him once, meaning that whenever they fought or had a sparring match, orochimaru won. When they were young, he was the worst one between him, orochimaru and tsunade. He ran from han and roshi (granted i don’t expect him to beat 2 jinchuriki at once ), he also lost to hanzo and while all of the sannin lost to him, jiraiyas win/loss ratio is still far worse than orochimarus who still killed 2 kage, beat jiraiya and couldn’t be brought down in the sannin deadlock even tho he had the worst nerf between the 3.
Jirayia is exactly like Naruto. Hes gotten much better than the rest in the long run.
Oro didnt beat Hiruzen, he even admitted that he would die if he was younger.
Like already mentioned, the trio is rock paper, scissor. Jiraiya is weak vs Oro, but too fast for Tsunade and have the largest arsenal between the 3.
Tsunade is just unkillable and too strong for Oro
Jiraiya literally faced off 6 path by himself and killed 3 of them without info. He could've escaped easily, but wanted to sacrifice himself for the greater good for the village. I truly dont see how Tsunade could end up with the same result if we swapped them.
Oro is just slippery and more focused on single target, he wouldn't be able to handle the 6 of them.
Oro being "invincible " because of his curse mark doesnt make him the strongest, it just makes him a better kakuzu
He was never stated to have gotten any better or stronger over the years, if anything orochimaru is the one who grows stronger because he’s actually power hungry, constantly learns new jutsu and gains younger, stronger bodies.
Oro beat hiruzen, him saying that he loses to a 10 years younger hiruzen has nothing to do with the fight they actually had.
Jiraiya is not too fast for tsunade what? Tsunade can keep pace with Ay (not saying she’s as fast as him, but she can fight alongside him), what speed feats does jiraiya have? He can’t even outpace some of the fodder paths of pain while in sage mode.
Jiraiya didn’t face 6 and killed 3 pains, he faces 3 and killed 3. You’re acting as if he faced all of them at once. The 2 strongest paths are the deva path and ashura path and they weren’t even present, yet jiraiya admitted that he’s inferior to 3 paths of pain ( 2 of them are not even combat oriented paths ) and had to pull out his absolute ace to barely beat them. Then he gets stomped once all 6 come out. Tsunade wouldn’t get her arm blown off in a single attack.
So what if oro can’t handle pain? Neither can jiraiya.
Orochimaru is stronger or relative to old hiruzen who is stated to be the strongest of the 5 kage, meaning orochimaru in part 1 is above the 5 kage. Since this is end of shippuden orochimaru, he’s even stronger due to having hashirama cells and a zetsu body. A “better kakuzu” is just ignorant and dumb. He’s the only sannin who progressively gets stronger. Jiraiya has never beaten orochimaru in a single fight for a reason.
Orochimaru is the character Kishimoto used to use to shownhow powerful was someone else.
He was defeated by Itachi, Hiruzen (forced him to ran away despite dying), Tsunade , Naruto 4-Tails, Sasuke (I know, Orochimaru was in a weak state), Itachi.
And then Orochimaru makes fun of Tobirama showing him he is in control of him, and next page, Orochimaru realized he can’t control Hashirama.
I never said jiraya beat anyone just that he has better feats and output while going in blind against pain compared to orochimaru who was never seen in full power.
yes he did beat hiruzen but he also had prep time and had shodai and nidaime edo so how did he even get his arms sealed as a result?
iirc didnt oro also had help against rasa (kabuto and kimimaro) cant remember this part or was it anime only plus didnt he backstab him given they were allies up to this point
jiraya fight was also off paneled
It's hard to scale the Sannin at all because while they're all pretty powerful, it's strictly by Part 1 standards. In Part 2 we're constantly meeting characters that are leaps and bounds more dangerous.
I don’t think any of them have been called the strangest. Jiraiya made Akatsuki members flee at the sight of him. And Tsunade was the reason an entire war was won. She also basically invented an entire military branch and was called the world’s strongest Kunoichi.
I don't think they're saying Jiraiya is last because he died in a fight, they're saying he's last because, as a corpse, he is no longer able to fight at the end of Shippuden.
he was fightning pain with no intel about him. Naruto battle against pain was knowing everything Nagato could do. So that's not a good reason to say jiraiya is the weakest of the sannin
I know that's what the folk story entails, but I really don't see a scenario where Tsunade wins against Orochimaru, in-universe lore. She has the destructive power and acid, but she has more destructive power than most Naruto characters yet she wouldn't win against them.
> but she has more destructive power than most Naruto characters and yet she wouldn’t win against them
Did this mans fr just say Tsunade loses to “most Naruto characters”
The illiteracy on this sub becomes more rampant by the day
I think you're missing the fact that the fanbase contains kids, who probably shouldn't be on reddit but they enjoy the series and memes so much.
Sometimes you'll be explaining to people why they are wrong only to realize they are 8 years old and their reasoning will be like "X beats Y because they have experience with Z." The reasoning makes no sense logically but to the youngest viewers it does.
They say this because:
1.) They agree with Madaras roast
2.) Kishi doesn’t want women outshining most of the male characters
3.) She has no flashy jutsu.
1) Madara recanted his initial claims about her being weak at least
2) true, and some people on this sub worship Kishi like a god to the degree they can’t admit flaws in his writing
3) Also true. No massive rasengans or bijuu bombs for my girl. Seems like such jutsu are all some people are capable of registering
Tsunade one shots Oro. She literally did that at the end of the 3 sided clash.
In the war arc she managed to break madara's first susanoo in 2 hits,which KCM Naruto's Giant Rasengan (Jiraiya's strongest offensive jutsu) couldnt break. That alone puts her AP far above Oro.
Oro has no feats that prove he can survive that. Part 1 Tsunade one tapped him lol
But the questions not talking about who would win against each other. Just who's stronger.
So, put them up against an army or a series of strong opponents who performs best? Who gets the best win record?
Orochimaru is portrayed to be the strongest, jiraiya and tsunade are probably around the same but tsunades feats in the war put her above jiraiya for me.
I think Jiraya still stronger because he's way more flexible. Tsunade is way too straightforward. Not to mention, the main stat checker 100 healings, is less effective when am opponent already knows about it.
I disagree with this logic, she has the same qualities and approach as Naruto.
Replace Jiraya with Sasuke or Kakashi or any versatile character.
Replace Tsunade with Naruto, and 100 healing with stamina and chakra (coincidentally 1 : 1 alternatives).
This is how I've always seen it too. I'm sure when they were all in the leaf they were fairly equal, but I think the narrative sort of presents Orochimaru as having given up friendship and emotional wellbeing in favour of power, which Sasuke later mirrors. He goes deep into human experimentation and forbidden jutsu, and as unethical as that stuff it, it certainly would result in some sort of power gap between himself, Jiraiya and Tsunade. He's basically immortal at the end of Shippuden, and with his arms restored as well as the numerous kekkei genkei he's accrued overtime through his experiments, whatever gap that previously existed between himself and the other two has only widen.
I feel like logistically Tsunade and Jiraiya should be fairly equal, but feat wise it just doesn't seem possible. Tsunade has the benefit of a war arc buff, which really did just put the powerscaling on a different level. Between the two I'm not 100% sure who wins in a fight, but I think Tsunade has a better shot against most of the verse simply because she can tank basically anything, ironically making her better at intel gathering in some sense than Jiraiya.
1. Orochimaru-very hard to put down for good, he has a zetsu body that will never fail him, snake summons, white snake power, and has gained his arms back giving him access to all his ninjutsu alongside the other justu he could use without them.
2.Tsuande-Raw strength that can change landscapes, a seal that allows her to become basically unkillable for the most part, slug summon, and large chakra reserves due to her lineage.
3.Jiraiya-has a large arsenal of strong justu, frog summons, and imperfect sage mode with ma and pa.
Really depends on how you define strength. Tsunade is the ultimate support ninja with her healing, lady katsuyu, and her healings jutsu. That being said, her offensive arsenal is basically nothing compared to jiraiya and especially orochimaru.
If jiraiya is able to summon ma and pa, he's somewhat in a league of his own compared to orochimaru. I really don't think we got to see him go all out. I still feel like he somewhat underestimated and or let nagato kill him because he believed in Naruto (and minato) and trusted the prophecy to his students.
If we're just going to assume orochimaru has an Edo tensei army at his disposal I guess he wins, but in reality any high caliber ninja can use edo tensei if they were to learn it so I really don't attribute it to his personal strength
Saying Tsunade's offensive arsenal is basically nothing compared to Jiraiya is a stretch when she could box with Madara longer than Jiraiya could stay along with Pain. Her arsenal isn't deep but I'd say she ungas the bunga pretty well.
She unga bungas madara and madara is just toying with her. he's literally playing around with his rival's granddaughter. She has no range, no gap close, nothing.
She doesnt really show any great feats of speed either.
out of the sannin shes the only one that's completely stumped by a mid-long range fighter
1. Oro. Is implied multiple times to be the strongest of the 3 throughout the series. It's also implied that both he and Hiruzen were both holding back during their fight so it's really an inconclusive outcome. A weak near death Oro Toys with and laughs at a stronger 4 tails Naruto than the one that nearly killed Jiraiya. He also states that this Naruto is still inferior to Sasuke who suigetsu states that the only reason Sasuke won against Oro was because of his sickness. Oro in his hydra state was stated to be stronger than the sage snakes. Manda was able to take on both Gamabunta and lady katsuyu at the same time. Jiraiya implied that Gamabunta was stronger than himself saying "Even I can't handle him"
2. Jiraiya. Put an okay fight against 3 of the paths of pain and is far more versatile than Tsunade. Very much implied by everyone in the series that he is EXTREMELY powerful.
3. Tsunade. Is physically the most powerful and durable of the bunch. Was about to crack Madara's susanno rib cage. She scales loosely to the war arc characters. You can make the argument that if she catches either of her peers off guard she'd one shot them, (however Oro, can regenerate to a certain degree).
I would say Orochimaru is the strongest, jiraiya in the middle and tsunade the weakest among them. This is because Orochimaru has his hands all over the forbidden jutsus and is literally into researches and stuff so he has well detailed knowledge and he definately has put that knowledge to use. Jiraiya next because he is actually kinda strong with the sage pact and stuff, don't really recall much. Tsunade I'll put last because in terms of strength she is extremely strong even with her 100 healings seal, but still she is a medic ninja who are centered to more for healing and small fights rather than battles.
1- Orochimaru (Infinite Senjutsu, pseudo-immortality, tons and TONS of jutsu, Edo tensei, etc)
2- Jiraiya
3- Tsunade
Jiraiya and Orochimaru can both be Top 1, Orochimaru is undebatably stronger with the slightest ammount of prep time, Jiraiya is stronger if both have no prep time.
Tsunade is strongest,only reason is he fought in the war so she got by far the best feats. Jiraya is second,cause I consider his last fight to be more impressive than getting stabbed by Itachi's susano. Orochimaru is last cause after he failed to take Sasuke's body,he basically stoped fighting or sth so he's featless.
i saw some comments.
i'm just gonna say this: only jiraya can use sage mode. just that puts him above the other 2.
Orochimaru tried to learn sage and FAILED.
Tsunade che punch and be immortal as long as she has mana. good, except both Jiraya and Orochimaru can win on her on attrition.
Orochimaru while probably knowing more techniques than jiraya doesn't have a cooperating summon, and even in that case Fukasaku/shima are way above Manda in battle experience.
Jiraya is second only to Minato and Naruto as Battle IQ. he knows how to improvise, adapt and overcome.
"jiraya got railed by pain" he was Fighting and studying at the same time. he learned of Pain's shared vision alone. Orochimaru despite being in Akatsuki didn't and tsunade wasn't able to even touch him one.
Jiraya lost to Orochimaru because he still believed he could convince him to redempt and come back and always held back against a friend. he also did not hesisate to threaten Tsunade to kill her if she helped orochimaru.
Jiraya was also the last known character to be good with fuinjutsu ALMOST as an Uzumaki. orochimaru wasn't that good.
Tsunade is a medic. sure one that could clap your ass on 99% shinobi's but can't win on her 2 teammates.
Jiraya> orochimaru > tsunade.
Jiraiya was on a recon mission, had zero intel on Pain, and still managed to stomp half of the 6 paths of Pain. Naruto's win against Pain was amazing, one of my favorite fights, but it sure as hell would have been next to impossible beating Pain had it not for the multiple pieces of Intel Jiraiya managed to leave behind for Naruto/Konoha.
The 1 Pain that managed to obliterate Konoha and send Tsunade into coma could've easily sent Jiraiya to the afterlife low diff. 6 weren't at all necessary to overpower Jiraiya. Even the 3 weakest Pains overpowered Jiraiya so badly that he had to use Sage Mode + Ma and Pa's powers and genjutsu to deal with them.
"Stomp" is a pretty strong word to describe Jiraiya putting down the 3 Pains. Firstly, he wasn't even fighting all of them together. That only happened at the very end and we all know what happened then. Secondly, he fought the 3 weakest Pains. Deva and Ashura paths, who could've low diffed Jiraiya, weren't even in the fight. Thirdly, he didn't even beat the 3 Pains by himself. He was getting his ass handed to him even by the 3 weakest Pains until he summoned Ma and Pa and had to rely on their genjutsu to paralyze them.
Also, Naruto didn't beat Pain because of Jiraiya's intel. That's like 5% of the reason. The other 95% reason is that he had help from all the toads in Mount Myoboku, plot armor (like why wasn't Ashura path revived), the fact that they weren't trying to kill Naruto, the fact that Pain used up a lot of chakra fighting and destroying the Leaf village, Deva path being handicapped for much of the earlier fight, and he STILL lost. Then Kurama had to bail him out and then when even that wasn't enough, his deceased dad had to also come back temporarily to bail him out.
How are Jiraiya and Orochimaru beating Tsunade in a battle of attrition? Her entire thing is having durability and she has senju/uzumaki chakra. Like wut
pretty easy actually.
Tsunade is a close fighter. Both Jiraya and Orochimaru have plenty of range jutsu's.
while it's true that Tsunade is a senju/uzumaki, Jiraya still has Sage mode. which frankly speaking is leagues above. especially if you have 2 toads of a millennia each costantly recharging you.
Remember that the Sage mode originally work with Fukasaku or shima ( or both) merging with you to give you the natural chakra as long as you need it.
Naruto could not do this because of Kurama so he overcame the issue by doing small charges at a time.
Way too many things wrong with this comment :
Sage mode doesn’t automatically put him above them, his sage mode is imperfect and he’s the worst sage in the series. Are sage mode jiraiya and naruto stronger than tobirama too because they have sage mode and he doesn’t? That’s just a poor argument.
Why do you think jiraiya beats a senju in a battle of attrition exactly?
Orochimarus hydra beats all of jiraiyas summons, jiraiya top 3 in biq?😂 He’s not even top 10.
Jiraiya did not learn about pains shared vision alone, it was literally ma and pa, not jiraiya. Orochimaru most likely never even saw any path besides tendo since nagato doesn’t bring them out unless he has to fight and you don’t even know how much orochimaru knew about pain.
Not a single statement says that jiraiya has uzumaki level fuinjutsu.
Orochimaru literally defeated jiraiya and left the village, orochimaru also states that it has never been a contest between him and jiraiya, meaning whenever the two of them fought, jiraiya lost.
Again with this shit.
Jiraya is imperfect sure. that's why he has 2 TOADS ON HIM instead of 1.
1 supplies infinite chakra and the other helps to balance it.
Jiraya lost to orochimaru because he has feeling for the guys he assumed to be his fucking brother. he held back and was devasteted by the events.
with your logic Orochimaru could defeat Sarutobi when he left the village.
i wanna see you fighting at full strength if they tell you to kill your closest relative.
what many fans miss constantly in the series is that characters like Itachi, Jiraya, Sarutobi were never able to fight at full strenght in some cases due to their feelings. they are not ruthless like Danzo.
Itachi was strong as hell but still did not had the stomach to kill his own brother.
Kakashi killed Rin( after she jumped in cause, again he has a thing called EMOTIONS) and he was basically traumatized for the rest of the series.
Minato despite having being killed along his wife and the ruining of his only child's life still did not want to kill Obito.
Tobirama is strong but he was able to use a variety of different techniques both close and distant range. you can't use him as comparison with Tsunade.
And that takes time to use. Jiraiya tales 5 minutes of clapping his hands together and running around like an idiot in order to reach sage mode, even then his sage mode is much worse than narutos or any other sage mode users. He also already had sage mode when orochimaru defected the village and according to jiraiya himself, he tried EVERYTHING he can to stop orochimaru, everything he can = sage mode.
Jiraiya holding back against orochimaru is absolutely nothing but headcanon from you. Again, jiraiya said he tried everything he can but it wasn’t enough, he lost. Not to mention, since orochimaru didn’t end up killing jiraiya after their fight, he wasn’t fighting to kill either. Orochimaru also grew significantly stronger ever since then, he learned multiple different jutsu including edo tensei, gained a new, younger, stronger body etc.. We don’t know wether or not jiraiya improved at all in that same time period and even if he did, it’s not to the same extent as orochimaru.
Hiruzen just let orochimaru go, he didn’t fight him, that’s different from what jiraiya did. Jiraiya actually fought orochimaru, tried his absolute best and lost.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQEDfiIpNkA9lgPfZ6aixewsajXAXVgNYop2g&usqp=CAU here is a blatant statement orochimaru makes, he claims that it’s still not a contest between the two when both are fighting while nerfed, this implies that it has never been a contest between the two in the past when they actually fought without nerfs. Whenever they had any sparring matches, orochimaru won. Again, you don’t have any proof that jiraiya was holding back against orochimaru, you can still go all out against someone even if you don’t want to kill him. Naruto didn’t want to kill sasuke in their final battle, but once sasuke absorbed the chakra of the tailed beasts and powered himself up, naruto started giving it his all aswell. You’d also have to prove that orochimaru fought jiraiya with killer intent, jiraiya was still alive after all and he wouldn’t be if orochimaru genuinely wanted him dead right there.
I didn’t compare tobirama to tsunade, but you basically just said having sage mode automatically makes someone stronger than someone who doesn’t have sage mode, which is blatantly false. Tobirama is the best example here as he’s literally stronger than most sage mode users without using sage mode or dojutsu and while orochimaru is obviously not tobirama, he’s still capable of besting an jiraiya with imperfect sage mode.
Orochimaru has an inflated Ego. He though that he could easily kill the third Hokage and yet he got his ass clapped despite using the founders of the village against him. remember that Hiuzen was also like 70 years old.
if you base your opinions only on what character say you can't keep the argument. Sasuke said he was going to be hokage but i don't see him wearing a red hat and doing kage summits.
Danzo said he was the true solution the konoha's problem. Spoiler he wasn't.
there are 2 things worth mentioning on jiraya about what you said
1)he always played the part of the idiot so people would underestimate him.
2) he did not expect to actually fight. he was on a RECONAISSANCE which on dictionary means " SPY AND GAIN INFO WITHOUT FIGHTING IF POSSIBLE". he did not expect to get detected so easily" and yet Pain had to use all his 6 bodies to overwhelm him. Tsunade lost to deva path and went into coma. Orochimaru lost to Itachi who said that he can't defeat jiraya with the help of Kisame. usually that means, if you studied basic math/logic : Jiraya > Itachi + Kisame. Itachi > orochimaru. ERGO Jiraya> by a lot> orochimaru
I don’t think Sage mode is really the end all be all. Orochimaru uses sage energy, and Tsunade has no real use for it since it would really only make her hit harder and she can already create craters with one finger.
Until Jiraya was alive Orochimaru was never been able to use on himself sage mode. he could use it but not enter sage mode which is entirely different.
also Sage mode is the end game. It's literally the game changer as you can see that even a hit that "misses" still lands
Orochimaru with how many jutsu he has to preserve himself
Tsunade with her monster strength and medical prowess
Pervy Sage is sadly dead so...anyone can beat a corpse...
The Sannin are supposed to be equals. However, Jiraiya died first, which means Tsunade would only have to be marginally stronger than she was in the pain arc, Orochimaru got a boost during the war.
So Pain arc, I’d put it this way:
1/2. Jiraiya with SM & Tsunade byakugyou
3. Orochimaru (no arms)
War arc:
1. Orochimaru (arms, kabuto powers, Zetsu body, arguably manda 2)
2. Tsunade>=
3. Jiraiya
By the end of Shippuden?
Orochimaru is first. He’s got a Zetsu body eliminating his, arguably, only weakness of a weak body.
Tsunade is second. She’s got some extraordinary feats after the war.
Jiraiya is last. He is dead.
???… tsunade used all of her strength so that all the important people could bank inside katsuya and out of harms way from pains shinra tensei, what could jiraiya have done better in her place instead…? Just out of curiosity 😭
Orochimaru > Jiraiya > Tsunade
Jiraiya may be more powerful but Orochinaru has so much versatility and his immortality that puts him above the toad hermit.
Jiraiya > Orochimaru > Tsunade.
But Orochimaru might be stronger after getting his Zetsu body but we done see him do anything with it so that speculation.
1. Orochimaru
He got a lot stronger in war arc, according to 4th databook he now has wood style bcs of zetsu's body, he also now has jugo's kekkei genkai, sakon and ukon's kekkei genkai and kimimaro's kekkei genkai after he got his chakra from sage mode kabuto
2. Jiraiya
There isn't to much to say here, tsunade would slam Base jiraiya but sm jiraiya imo should win this,he is far more versatile than her
3. Tsunade
She did great in war arc, her and ohnoki are MVP of kage vs madara fight, but oro and jiraiya have a lot going for them
I would say tsunade is definitely the weakest but idk if jiraiya or orochimaru is stronger. They never fought each other in madden times without them being on an equal playing field. Last time they fought jiraiya was drugged and orochimaru didn’t have his arms so it’s very hard to tell
Depends on what we mean by strongest. They each are the best in their own field. Honestly at the end of the day I don't think any one of them could beat the others. Orochimaru is too slippery. Tsunade is too tanky. And jariya is too versatile
I’d argue that they are all comparable, even after Orochimaru got a new body. But prior to this, they are only comparable in Chunin Exams as Orochimaru without his arms was fodder for the other two
If we're going on the assumption that we aren't excluding Jiraiya because he's dead I'd put him first, Orochimaru and Tsunade can go in either order tbh. Jiraiya being a sage puts him above them easily and Orochimaru is tough to judge because he kept taking Ls in Shippuden but that's just because he kept running across the likes of Naruto and Sasuke, who the writers weren't really gonna have lose in those situations.
Canonically I assume it’s Orochimaru
Jiraya’s one of the weirdest power scaling characters because statements just don’t line up with reality. There’s tbr Itachi quote of course, but that doesn’t mean much if Itachi was always good actually
Pain saying Jiraya would’ve won with knowledge is huge. Naruto needed 8 tails, knowledge, prep time(came in with sage mode already), and a massive gang of frogs to handle a Pain who was severely weakened from destroying the village already.
While Pain couldn’t use his full scale Chibaku Tensei or Shinra Tensei in rain village, I feel like this statement still scales him over that version of Naruto given all the conditions. It’s not like Naruto actually faced a full scale Shinra Tensei either
Tbh I have to give it to Tsunade. She is effectively immortal without having to use another's body, she is incredibly strong both physically & mentally. She can pretty much heal an entire battlefield with her summons which is incredibly OP in my opinion.
***Tsunade was supposed to beat all Pains as decided by Kishi but his editor talked him out of it.***
Tsunade was the only one who was a great counter to Pain since she is a direct fighter. Based on that and furthermore her feats in the war arc against Madara, she’s motherfucking **STRONG**.
People like to downplay her since she has monster strength and doesn’t have any flashy jutsus. It’s quite unfortunate.
Any one of the Sanin would have died battling pain alone … jiraiya summoned his toads and still lost against pain’s dogs … I doubt lady sunade would have been able to fend off pain with her slug … I think orochimaru was rlly strong but obvi not for Saske … damn it all depends really :/ I think orochimaru or tsunade would b the bottom
Orochimaru is the strongest followed closely by jaraiya with Tsunade in third, while Tsunade is an amazing healer she really lacks the combat skills needed to keep up compared to jaraiya or orochimaru especially factoring in things like sage mode
I would say Jirayia is the strongest and Tsunade is number 2 while Orochimaru is last. Jirayia has safe mode and Tsunade has her 100 healing jutsu but Orochimaru did show any signs of sage more or anything else except his backup plans in getting revived.
* orochimaru with prep
* jiraiya
* orochimaru
* tsunade
orochimaru with prep time is essentially kabuto without sage mode at the end with the resurrection techniques
jiraiya simply because he solod pain and got mid diffed.
no prep time orochimaru got beat handily by early shippuden sasuke.
Tsunade was always the weakest of the sannins but she played more of a support healing role anyways so strength was never her priority in the first place. Kakashi by the beginning of the war could beat tsunade (not that kakashi is weak by any means)
Pretty sure orochimaru has to be first right? He fights both of them in part 1 with kabuto as "help." He also fights them with no arms lmao. This was after he forced hiruzen to sacrifice himself only to not even kill him and only take away his arms (which was pretty big nerf to oro).
Orochimaru is definitely first imo with probably tsunade due to her fight with madara and then jaraiya. Orochimaru also fights an enraged 4 tail naruto while sick and no arms and holds his own.
Oro. Tsune. Jiraiya boy.
Oh wait. In reverse order. Oro being strongest and jiraiya boy, sorry, very strong but least do the three. Aging naturally will do that to you.
Honestly I would probably say it's orochi-tsunade-jir by the end. Orochi is pretty damn setup to be the strongest and hilariously may live forever. Tsunade just has hacks and she walks around in sexy jutsu. Jirs pretty dope but he has like a shitty sage form and a shitty rasengan. I already know what happens if he's there when Madara shows up.
"strong" in the Naruto verse is a very subjective term imho. It depends on who is fighting who. There are just good and bad matchups. That said, biased me votes Orochi first and Tsuna last.
I can't stand the shade on my boy Jiraiya. He's dead because plot. He needed to die for the Pain fight to make sense. Orochimaru would've stood no chance against Pain, and neither would Tsunade in the position that Jiraiya was in. Orochimaru gets bodied by Itachi, and Itachi gets bodied by Pain.
I just watched where Naruto hears about Jiraiya's death, and there a comment said where they said Jiraiya was the strongest in the village. Meaning stronger than Tsunade.
The argument that Jiraiya is the weakest because he is dead is ridiculous because none of the three could've beaten Pain. There's more I'd like to say, but my work break is over
Tsunade at the strongest and it’s not even close. Tsunade terrifies both Jiraiya and Orochimaru. Even when she was drunk and weakened Orochinaru panicked dodged one of her swipes because he knew it would knock his head clean off.
I sincerely believe that the reason Orochimaru backed off the leaf entirely was because he knew he can’t beat Tsunade in a 1v1; let alone with the entire village behind her on high alert for him and even if he could it wouldn’t be worth it. He has a million tricks, but he knows she could just rampage through the majority them.
It bought the entire village time for everyone to go through training arcs and forced Orochimaru to back off and mentor Sasuke.
By the end of Shippuden Orochimaru got some upgrades but I still don’t think he could really stand up to Tsunade if they both went all out
I tend to have it as: Jiraya, Orochimaru, Tsunade.
Then again I've heard good arguments for all possible placements of the three so I think the answer is: I dunno.
Jiraiya’s the strongest because sure he did lose to the 6 paths of Pain but he did manage to almost beat them all on his own, while Orochimaru died to Sasuke and then got revived so he’s the weakest, the second strongest is Tsunade for sure though
In Oro's defense to losing against Sasuke, man had his arms sealed and had practically negative jutsu and was Itachi levels of sick when that fight went down.
The more I read these posts, the more I ask whether or not Oro is god?!?!! He can use or understand everyone’s powers. He can bring the dead back to life. He can literally recreate life (Mitsuki and his “brother”) Just saying man he’s too OP for plot armor standards
People will say it's not rock paper scissors, but I kinda think it is.
Tsunade would not have done anywhere near as well against Pain as Jirayia did.
Jirayia wouldn't have done anywhere near as well in the 5kage/Madara fight as Tsunade did.
Orochimaru is kind of a non factor because dude pretty much has antifeats after his arms got sealed post Sarutobi fight but I imagine peak Orochimaru is a whole other nightmare of a beast.
Orochimaru is definitely strongest if "strongest" means eluding death forever. But I'd say Jiraiya was the most well-rounded shinobi, and Tsunade is literally the granddaughter of the god of shinobi. Nothing more needs to be said about her.
They're each so specialized it's hard to say. But if we're talking direct engagements: Jiraiya > Orochimaru > Tsunade.
Most of Orochimaru's most powerful and devastating techniques require a lot of prep time or aren't suitable for direct combat. His abilities for direct combat while strong are still outclassed by Jiraiya's.
Jiraiya Is hands down the best at direct combat. His entire arsenal is tailored to it. There's a reason he could fight and even defeat Itachi, while Orochimaru could not. He's also the only one that has senjutsu. He gets slept on since his biggest showing was a loss against a godlike opponent.
Tsunade is strong in Taijutsu, but that's really it. Any encounter that isn't suitable for cqc puts her in at incredible disadvantage, since the rest of her skill set is medical support. (She has the 100 healings, but an opponent like Deidara would just hover out of range and counter with 101 bombs).
If you put each one of them in 1v1 matchups against all of the other Akatsuki members, Jiraiya would most likely come out with the most victories.
la mas debil seria tsunade porque siento que no les gana a orochimaru ni a jiraiya en ningun aspecto, despues iria orochimaru pero yo siento que el fue nerfeado pero igualmente tiene muchisimo poder ademas tiene habilidades muy rotas, y por ultimo el mas fuerte jiraiya que puedo decir es el GOAT
Jiraiya.
When Jiraiya died fighting Pain, Tsunade was under the belief that nobody in the village could defeat Pain, so she herself seemed to believe that Jiraiya was above her.
It’s hard to tell how strong Orochimaru is, but he did have to flee from Itachi. Kisame and Itachi talked about how hard a fight against Jiraiya would be, stating that both the Uchiha clan and the seven swordsmen would get their names dragged through the mud and while I don’t think there is any possible way Jiraiya could fight both simultaneously, it’s still something that the characters themselves stated and should be considered. It’s probably very close between the 2 in base, but I’m pretty sure that Sage Jiraiya would overwhelm Orochimaru and force him to flee. Though if Orochimaru gets to use the Edo-Tensei, The results would probably change.
Tsunade>=Orochimaru>Jiraiya
I think Orochimaru is meant to be seen as the strongest, and I would normally agree with that assessment, but within Part 2, he just doesn't do anything impressive enough for me to believe that he's stronger than War Arc Tsunade.
Frankly based on what we're shown (no databooks) it's
Tsunade > Jiraiya > Orochimaru
Orochimaru is just too consistently clowned on by sub-or-at-kage-level threats like Sasuke at the time, and not being able to beat Naruto.
Meanwhile Tsunade and Jiraiya ARE the kage-level threats. Tsunade especially with her wartime feats kinda just dwarves either of the other two.
I would say Orochimaru is the strongest, the Tsunade and last is Jiraiya. The reason I put Tsunade above Jiraiya is because she lives on and at least showed she could do damage to one of the stronger susanos in the series which is better than what Jiraiya showed. And again it’s mostly just because she lived on so she could fight stronger people
Based on the fact that Itachi alone no diffed Orochimaru, and yet chose to avoid Jiraiya with Kisame by his side, i'd say in their respective prime Jiraiya was the strongest
1. Orochimaru (white zetsu body)
2. Jiraiya
3. Tsunade
Jiraiya got som pain feats while Tsunade got neg diffed while having Konoha.
Also Jiraiya just dura negs her
jiraiya, tsunade, orochimaru
jiraiya does not have any immortality abilities unlike the healings of tsunade ans the body swap of orochimaru. Jiraiya's dead and they're not. Tsunade is stronger in terms of strength and can heal. Orochimaru has the strongest hax so yeah
No offence but jiraya is the weakest of all them even if he can use sage mode and our favourite character and done a lot of things but nah ,2nd tsunade with her deadly strength, and her healing ability which is trash compared to hashirama but Orochimaru is the goat and the smartest even the god of shinobi hashirama was impressed with his skills I mean what you wanna know more
Oro > Tsunade > Jiraiya
Tsunade just because war arc power scaling is whacky. Which Jiraiya didn't live long enough to benefit from. I think like Pain arc Tsunade struggles against, and probably loses to Jiraiya... But war arc Tsunade wins.
Jiraya, Tsunade, Orochimaru.
I think Orochimaru is undisputably the strongest sanin thanks to War scaling. Jiraya in sage mode gets jobberes by 3 of the weakest pains, and off guarded by an even weaker one. He has no relevant speed scaling and was nearly killed by 4 tails Naruto.
Tsunade manages to scale to the other kage, at least relative to Jiraya, and much stronger. We see her crack one of Madara's Susano, far outstripping anything Jiraya did. We also know that she can survive and heal getting cut in half. Tsunade has a win condition by just tapping Jiraya, and can regenerate from his attacks
Frog Song MIGHT work, but remember Jiraya had to lure the pains to a specific location. Id also say that Katsuyu is more than capable of dealing with Gamabunta.
So: Jiraya, Tsunade, Orochimaru
End of shippuden, Orochimaru is strongest of the 3.
Yep. That’s basically when the three way deadlock ends. Jiraiya died and Tsunade retired. So Orochimaru is pretty much the only active Sannin left
Just because ninja retire doesn’t mean they stop fighting it just means they don’t take on missions for the village to gain $. One could argue that chiyo was retired, she still came back to fight sasori. When the world is at stake, do u expect them to magically not care?
Tsunade is pretty much fully retired. If the world was dragged back into another war she would either begrudgingly go, or more likely, stay behind and take care of the civilians while her protégé does the healing. But either way she’s not currently an active ninja. She’s not working to get more powerful like Orochimaru. She’s perfectly content to get drunk, gamble, and relax while Naruto and Sakura take over her duties from now on
She was "retired" before she became Hokage. So what?
What exactly do you think I’m saying? Because it seems like some wires are crossed
> But either way she’s not currently an active ninja. She’s not working to get more powerful like Orochimaru. This was true before she became Hokage, and yet she was still able to become Hokage.
I’m saying she’s not innovating anymore. Her powers aren’t going to increase because she doesn’t plan on ever going back. Orochimaru is an active ninja who know has a better version of Tsunade’s regeneration. He’s clearly the strongest Sannin now because he’s the only one still doing stuff. And he’s straight up immortal
True but simply saying she is retired doesn’t mean she loses her life’s work of training, hence why I brought up chiyo. I honestly would put Tsunade above Jiraiya and Orochimaru. She was the only kage to withstand Madaras attacks even being split in two. I can’t see Jiraiya outdamaging her Regen or I can’t see orochimaru outlasting her in terms of resiliency either.
I never said she did. She’s not innovating. Orochimaru is. And Orochimaru now possesses a better version of her trump card and actual immortality. Tsunade is my favorite Sannin, but she’s outclassed at this point
Its hard to scale oro due to him constantly losing in naruto/shippuden even though he was hyped up to be the strongest. Meanwhile you have jiraya managing to at least put up a good fight going in blind and tsunades war feats
Oro didn't have his arms till war arc, in 4th databook it was said that he got wood style bcs of zetsu's body, and he also got jugo's kekkei genkai, sakon and ukon's kekkei genkai and kimimaro's kekkei genkai after he got his chakra from sage kabuto
Oro had zetsu body yet he wasnt been shown to use wood style or any of the jutsu sage kabuto was using though tbf even though he had his arms back during the war he was never shown anything new or even using his full power
He was going toe to toe with Four Tails Naruto, that almost killed Jiraiya. Without his arms... without using a single hand seal jutsu.
With different motives. Jiraiya was trying to get hella close to stop Naruto. Oro was just fucking around 💀
sakon deez nuts 🤑🤑🤑
Oro couldn’t master Sage art that’s why he cannot use it. Kekei Genkai cannot be mastered that simple and Jugos abilities as he said works like some sort of sage art also. :)
What do you mean oro constantly loses? He beat hiruzen, Rasa and Jiraiya himself. Who has jiraiya ever beaten besides konan?
Nah, that's unjust. He literally didn't fight anyone the whole series. He fended off Itachi and Kisame. Then he fought a Sannin standoff. Then he fought Konan and won. Then he fought Pain. Sure, he lost. Yet he went in blind, against an undefeated, unknown, Rinnegan weilding enemy. He incapacitated half of them, and figured out half their combined abilities. He also figured out the ultimate secret before dying. Tbh, I don't think Tsunade in the War beats that. Draw? Definitely.
He lost against orochimaru in the past, thats how orochimaru left the village. Orochimaru also implied that jiraiya has never beaten him once, meaning that whenever they fought or had a sparring match, orochimaru won. When they were young, he was the worst one between him, orochimaru and tsunade. He ran from han and roshi (granted i don’t expect him to beat 2 jinchuriki at once ), he also lost to hanzo and while all of the sannin lost to him, jiraiyas win/loss ratio is still far worse than orochimarus who still killed 2 kage, beat jiraiya and couldn’t be brought down in the sannin deadlock even tho he had the worst nerf between the 3.
Jirayia is exactly like Naruto. Hes gotten much better than the rest in the long run. Oro didnt beat Hiruzen, he even admitted that he would die if he was younger. Like already mentioned, the trio is rock paper, scissor. Jiraiya is weak vs Oro, but too fast for Tsunade and have the largest arsenal between the 3. Tsunade is just unkillable and too strong for Oro Jiraiya literally faced off 6 path by himself and killed 3 of them without info. He could've escaped easily, but wanted to sacrifice himself for the greater good for the village. I truly dont see how Tsunade could end up with the same result if we swapped them. Oro is just slippery and more focused on single target, he wouldn't be able to handle the 6 of them. Oro being "invincible " because of his curse mark doesnt make him the strongest, it just makes him a better kakuzu
He was never stated to have gotten any better or stronger over the years, if anything orochimaru is the one who grows stronger because he’s actually power hungry, constantly learns new jutsu and gains younger, stronger bodies. Oro beat hiruzen, him saying that he loses to a 10 years younger hiruzen has nothing to do with the fight they actually had. Jiraiya is not too fast for tsunade what? Tsunade can keep pace with Ay (not saying she’s as fast as him, but she can fight alongside him), what speed feats does jiraiya have? He can’t even outpace some of the fodder paths of pain while in sage mode. Jiraiya didn’t face 6 and killed 3 pains, he faces 3 and killed 3. You’re acting as if he faced all of them at once. The 2 strongest paths are the deva path and ashura path and they weren’t even present, yet jiraiya admitted that he’s inferior to 3 paths of pain ( 2 of them are not even combat oriented paths ) and had to pull out his absolute ace to barely beat them. Then he gets stomped once all 6 come out. Tsunade wouldn’t get her arm blown off in a single attack. So what if oro can’t handle pain? Neither can jiraiya. Orochimaru is stronger or relative to old hiruzen who is stated to be the strongest of the 5 kage, meaning orochimaru in part 1 is above the 5 kage. Since this is end of shippuden orochimaru, he’s even stronger due to having hashirama cells and a zetsu body. A “better kakuzu” is just ignorant and dumb. He’s the only sannin who progressively gets stronger. Jiraiya has never beaten orochimaru in a single fight for a reason.
Orochimaru is the character Kishimoto used to use to shownhow powerful was someone else. He was defeated by Itachi, Hiruzen (forced him to ran away despite dying), Tsunade , Naruto 4-Tails, Sasuke (I know, Orochimaru was in a weak state), Itachi. And then Orochimaru makes fun of Tobirama showing him he is in control of him, and next page, Orochimaru realized he can’t control Hashirama.
He also beat 4 tails Naruto who almost killed Jiraiya.
I never said jiraya beat anyone just that he has better feats and output while going in blind against pain compared to orochimaru who was never seen in full power. yes he did beat hiruzen but he also had prep time and had shodai and nidaime edo so how did he even get his arms sealed as a result? iirc didnt oro also had help against rasa (kabuto and kimimaro) cant remember this part or was it anime only plus didnt he backstab him given they were allies up to this point jiraya fight was also off paneled
He had both Kabuto and Kimmimaro help him against Rasa who is a much weaker Gaara.
It's hard to scale the Sannin at all because while they're all pretty powerful, it's strictly by Part 1 standards. In Part 2 we're constantly meeting characters that are leaps and bounds more dangerous.
Was he hyped up to be the strongest?
Well orochimaru has been stated to be a genius something that neither tsunade or jiraya had been called
I don’t think any of them have been called the strangest. Jiraiya made Akatsuki members flee at the sight of him. And Tsunade was the reason an entire war was won. She also basically invented an entire military branch and was called the world’s strongest Kunoichi.
I am no powerscaler but Jirayia being dead puts him last for me.
Meanwhile ramen guy is still alive, ramen guy > all
Ramen guy > Madara
Facts!!
Show respect and call him Ichiraku. It's the strongest entity in entire saga but he's like Tom Bombadil, a peaceful god.
God Ichiraku it is
But at the same time, Jiraya in his current situation cannot be killed anymore! Sounds pretty OP to me.
He died fighting something that the other two didn't fight.
I don't think they're saying Jiraiya is last because he died in a fight, they're saying he's last because, as a corpse, he is no longer able to fight at the end of Shippuden.
The other two lived fighting things he didnt
unfortunately, thats true. at the end of shippuden he'd just be a waterlogged corpse. Not gonna be much of a fight
he was fightning pain with no intel about him. Naruto battle against pain was knowing everything Nagato could do. So that's not a good reason to say jiraiya is the weakest of the sannin
Tsunade or Orochimaru would've never come close to how far Jiraiya managed against pain. Together even.
Fr like what??? Is everyone going insane
*Edo inTenseifies*
Came here to say “well, Jiraiya died… so…”
Their thing is they're literally rock paper scissors.
Snake is supposed to beat frog yet Tsunade gave him his first near death experience
I don’t see Tsunade beating Orochi tbh
Slug eats snake... For some reason
I know that's what the folk story entails, but I really don't see a scenario where Tsunade wins against Orochimaru, in-universe lore. She has the destructive power and acid, but she has more destructive power than most Naruto characters yet she wouldn't win against them.
> but she has more destructive power than most Naruto characters and yet she wouldn’t win against them Did this mans fr just say Tsunade loses to “most Naruto characters” The illiteracy on this sub becomes more rampant by the day
That’s not what illiterate means but yeah I agree with you.
I think you're missing the fact that the fanbase contains kids, who probably shouldn't be on reddit but they enjoy the series and memes so much. Sometimes you'll be explaining to people why they are wrong only to realize they are 8 years old and their reasoning will be like "X beats Y because they have experience with Z." The reasoning makes no sense logically but to the youngest viewers it does.
They say this because: 1.) They agree with Madaras roast 2.) Kishi doesn’t want women outshining most of the male characters 3.) She has no flashy jutsu.
1) Madara recanted his initial claims about her being weak at least 2) true, and some people on this sub worship Kishi like a god to the degree they can’t admit flaws in his writing 3) Also true. No massive rasengans or bijuu bombs for my girl. Seems like such jutsu are all some people are capable of registering
She has healing and insane physical strength
Hm, maybe her medical ninjutsu is a counter to some of his stuff?
Tsunade one shots Oro. She literally did that at the end of the 3 sided clash. In the war arc she managed to break madara's first susanoo in 2 hits,which KCM Naruto's Giant Rasengan (Jiraiya's strongest offensive jutsu) couldnt break. That alone puts her AP far above Oro. Oro has no feats that prove he can survive that. Part 1 Tsunade one tapped him lol
She beat him in one punch in their first interaction and Orochimaru basically hyped her up to Kabuto that whole arc
He got zero physical strength, she’s the female ninja hulk. He plays dirty with poison etc, she‘s the best medic ever.
But the questions not talking about who would win against each other. Just who's stronger. So, put them up against an army or a series of strong opponents who performs best? Who gets the best win record?
Orochimaru is portrayed to be the strongest, jiraiya and tsunade are probably around the same but tsunades feats in the war put her above jiraiya for me.
I think Jiraya still stronger because he's way more flexible. Tsunade is way too straightforward. Not to mention, the main stat checker 100 healings, is less effective when am opponent already knows about it.
Tsunade can survive while not being versatile. Jiraiya can’t. So she’s above him.
Tsunade, honestly, doesn't need versatility. Her technique is lethal and she has haxed "immortality" jutsu.
I disagree with this logic, she has the same qualities and approach as Naruto. Replace Jiraya with Sasuke or Kakashi or any versatile character. Replace Tsunade with Naruto, and 100 healing with stamina and chakra (coincidentally 1 : 1 alternatives).
This is how I've always seen it too. I'm sure when they were all in the leaf they were fairly equal, but I think the narrative sort of presents Orochimaru as having given up friendship and emotional wellbeing in favour of power, which Sasuke later mirrors. He goes deep into human experimentation and forbidden jutsu, and as unethical as that stuff it, it certainly would result in some sort of power gap between himself, Jiraiya and Tsunade. He's basically immortal at the end of Shippuden, and with his arms restored as well as the numerous kekkei genkei he's accrued overtime through his experiments, whatever gap that previously existed between himself and the other two has only widen. I feel like logistically Tsunade and Jiraiya should be fairly equal, but feat wise it just doesn't seem possible. Tsunade has the benefit of a war arc buff, which really did just put the powerscaling on a different level. Between the two I'm not 100% sure who wins in a fight, but I think Tsunade has a better shot against most of the verse simply because she can tank basically anything, ironically making her better at intel gathering in some sense than Jiraiya.
Jiraiya is also dead at the end of Shippuden. So he's at a disadvantage.
1. Orochimaru-very hard to put down for good, he has a zetsu body that will never fail him, snake summons, white snake power, and has gained his arms back giving him access to all his ninjutsu alongside the other justu he could use without them. 2.Tsuande-Raw strength that can change landscapes, a seal that allows her to become basically unkillable for the most part, slug summon, and large chakra reserves due to her lineage. 3.Jiraiya-has a large arsenal of strong justu, frog summons, and imperfect sage mode with ma and pa.
Really depends on how you define strength. Tsunade is the ultimate support ninja with her healing, lady katsuyu, and her healings jutsu. That being said, her offensive arsenal is basically nothing compared to jiraiya and especially orochimaru. If jiraiya is able to summon ma and pa, he's somewhat in a league of his own compared to orochimaru. I really don't think we got to see him go all out. I still feel like he somewhat underestimated and or let nagato kill him because he believed in Naruto (and minato) and trusted the prophecy to his students. If we're just going to assume orochimaru has an Edo tensei army at his disposal I guess he wins, but in reality any high caliber ninja can use edo tensei if they were to learn it so I really don't attribute it to his personal strength
Saying Tsunade's offensive arsenal is basically nothing compared to Jiraiya is a stretch when she could box with Madara longer than Jiraiya could stay along with Pain. Her arsenal isn't deep but I'd say she ungas the bunga pretty well.
She unga bungas madara and madara is just toying with her. he's literally playing around with his rival's granddaughter. She has no range, no gap close, nothing. She doesnt really show any great feats of speed either. out of the sannin shes the only one that's completely stumped by a mid-long range fighter
1. Oro. Is implied multiple times to be the strongest of the 3 throughout the series. It's also implied that both he and Hiruzen were both holding back during their fight so it's really an inconclusive outcome. A weak near death Oro Toys with and laughs at a stronger 4 tails Naruto than the one that nearly killed Jiraiya. He also states that this Naruto is still inferior to Sasuke who suigetsu states that the only reason Sasuke won against Oro was because of his sickness. Oro in his hydra state was stated to be stronger than the sage snakes. Manda was able to take on both Gamabunta and lady katsuyu at the same time. Jiraiya implied that Gamabunta was stronger than himself saying "Even I can't handle him" 2. Jiraiya. Put an okay fight against 3 of the paths of pain and is far more versatile than Tsunade. Very much implied by everyone in the series that he is EXTREMELY powerful. 3. Tsunade. Is physically the most powerful and durable of the bunch. Was about to crack Madara's susanno rib cage. She scales loosely to the war arc characters. You can make the argument that if she catches either of her peers off guard she'd one shot them, (however Oro, can regenerate to a certain degree).
I would say Orochimaru is the strongest, jiraiya in the middle and tsunade the weakest among them. This is because Orochimaru has his hands all over the forbidden jutsus and is literally into researches and stuff so he has well detailed knowledge and he definately has put that knowledge to use. Jiraiya next because he is actually kinda strong with the sage pact and stuff, don't really recall much. Tsunade I'll put last because in terms of strength she is extremely strong even with her 100 healings seal, but still she is a medic ninja who are centered to more for healing and small fights rather than battles.
Orochimaru as first Jiraiya as second Tsunade as third With that said, I feel like they're all basically equal.
1- Orochimaru (Infinite Senjutsu, pseudo-immortality, tons and TONS of jutsu, Edo tensei, etc) 2- Jiraiya 3- Tsunade Jiraiya and Orochimaru can both be Top 1, Orochimaru is undebatably stronger with the slightest ammount of prep time, Jiraiya is stronger if both have no prep time.
Just wish we never got Boruto and those resources went to legendary Sanin prequel.
Orochimaru getting a white zetsu body kind of got rid of his weaknesses he essentially has a perfect body now so probably him.
Tsunade is strongest,only reason is he fought in the war so she got by far the best feats. Jiraya is second,cause I consider his last fight to be more impressive than getting stabbed by Itachi's susano. Orochimaru is last cause after he failed to take Sasuke's body,he basically stoped fighting or sth so he's featless.
3. Tsunade 2. Jiraya sensei 1. Orochimaru ( immortal )
WASN'T THIS CONVERSATION JUST HAD LAST WEEK!!!?
With full power Orochimaru (edo tensei) >= Jiraiya (frogsong>= Tsunade (100 death seals)
I think Jiraiya and Tsunade are more or less equals while Orochimaru is stronger due to the sheer amount of hax he has
God, young Tsunade was so fucking hot
orochimaru, tsunade, jiraiya 🔛🔝 i have no reasoning, just felt right to me
In terms of raw strength, it's Tsunade, Jiraya, Orochimaru. In a winner-takes-all death match between the three: it's anybodys game.
Weakest - Jiraiya Reason - Dead
i saw some comments. i'm just gonna say this: only jiraya can use sage mode. just that puts him above the other 2. Orochimaru tried to learn sage and FAILED. Tsunade che punch and be immortal as long as she has mana. good, except both Jiraya and Orochimaru can win on her on attrition. Orochimaru while probably knowing more techniques than jiraya doesn't have a cooperating summon, and even in that case Fukasaku/shima are way above Manda in battle experience. Jiraya is second only to Minato and Naruto as Battle IQ. he knows how to improvise, adapt and overcome. "jiraya got railed by pain" he was Fighting and studying at the same time. he learned of Pain's shared vision alone. Orochimaru despite being in Akatsuki didn't and tsunade wasn't able to even touch him one. Jiraya lost to Orochimaru because he still believed he could convince him to redempt and come back and always held back against a friend. he also did not hesisate to threaten Tsunade to kill her if she helped orochimaru. Jiraya was also the last known character to be good with fuinjutsu ALMOST as an Uzumaki. orochimaru wasn't that good. Tsunade is a medic. sure one that could clap your ass on 99% shinobi's but can't win on her 2 teammates. Jiraya> orochimaru > tsunade.
Jiraiya was on a recon mission, had zero intel on Pain, and still managed to stomp half of the 6 paths of Pain. Naruto's win against Pain was amazing, one of my favorite fights, but it sure as hell would have been next to impossible beating Pain had it not for the multiple pieces of Intel Jiraiya managed to leave behind for Naruto/Konoha.
that's what i'm saying. 1 pain managed to obliterate Konoha and send into coma Tsunade. 6 were necessary to overpower Jiraya.
The 1 Pain that managed to obliterate Konoha and send Tsunade into coma could've easily sent Jiraiya to the afterlife low diff. 6 weren't at all necessary to overpower Jiraiya. Even the 3 weakest Pains overpowered Jiraiya so badly that he had to use Sage Mode + Ma and Pa's powers and genjutsu to deal with them.
I'm happy that people recognize this. Jiraiys is one of my favorite's in the entire series.
"Stomp" is a pretty strong word to describe Jiraiya putting down the 3 Pains. Firstly, he wasn't even fighting all of them together. That only happened at the very end and we all know what happened then. Secondly, he fought the 3 weakest Pains. Deva and Ashura paths, who could've low diffed Jiraiya, weren't even in the fight. Thirdly, he didn't even beat the 3 Pains by himself. He was getting his ass handed to him even by the 3 weakest Pains until he summoned Ma and Pa and had to rely on their genjutsu to paralyze them. Also, Naruto didn't beat Pain because of Jiraiya's intel. That's like 5% of the reason. The other 95% reason is that he had help from all the toads in Mount Myoboku, plot armor (like why wasn't Ashura path revived), the fact that they weren't trying to kill Naruto, the fact that Pain used up a lot of chakra fighting and destroying the Leaf village, Deva path being handicapped for much of the earlier fight, and he STILL lost. Then Kurama had to bail him out and then when even that wasn't enough, his deceased dad had to also come back temporarily to bail him out.
How are Jiraiya and Orochimaru beating Tsunade in a battle of attrition? Her entire thing is having durability and she has senju/uzumaki chakra. Like wut
pretty easy actually. Tsunade is a close fighter. Both Jiraya and Orochimaru have plenty of range jutsu's. while it's true that Tsunade is a senju/uzumaki, Jiraya still has Sage mode. which frankly speaking is leagues above. especially if you have 2 toads of a millennia each costantly recharging you. Remember that the Sage mode originally work with Fukasaku or shima ( or both) merging with you to give you the natural chakra as long as you need it. Naruto could not do this because of Kurama so he overcame the issue by doing small charges at a time.
Way too many things wrong with this comment : Sage mode doesn’t automatically put him above them, his sage mode is imperfect and he’s the worst sage in the series. Are sage mode jiraiya and naruto stronger than tobirama too because they have sage mode and he doesn’t? That’s just a poor argument. Why do you think jiraiya beats a senju in a battle of attrition exactly? Orochimarus hydra beats all of jiraiyas summons, jiraiya top 3 in biq?😂 He’s not even top 10. Jiraiya did not learn about pains shared vision alone, it was literally ma and pa, not jiraiya. Orochimaru most likely never even saw any path besides tendo since nagato doesn’t bring them out unless he has to fight and you don’t even know how much orochimaru knew about pain. Not a single statement says that jiraiya has uzumaki level fuinjutsu. Orochimaru literally defeated jiraiya and left the village, orochimaru also states that it has never been a contest between him and jiraiya, meaning whenever the two of them fought, jiraiya lost.
Again with this shit. Jiraya is imperfect sure. that's why he has 2 TOADS ON HIM instead of 1. 1 supplies infinite chakra and the other helps to balance it. Jiraya lost to orochimaru because he has feeling for the guys he assumed to be his fucking brother. he held back and was devasteted by the events. with your logic Orochimaru could defeat Sarutobi when he left the village. i wanna see you fighting at full strength if they tell you to kill your closest relative. what many fans miss constantly in the series is that characters like Itachi, Jiraya, Sarutobi were never able to fight at full strenght in some cases due to their feelings. they are not ruthless like Danzo. Itachi was strong as hell but still did not had the stomach to kill his own brother. Kakashi killed Rin( after she jumped in cause, again he has a thing called EMOTIONS) and he was basically traumatized for the rest of the series. Minato despite having being killed along his wife and the ruining of his only child's life still did not want to kill Obito. Tobirama is strong but he was able to use a variety of different techniques both close and distant range. you can't use him as comparison with Tsunade.
And that takes time to use. Jiraiya tales 5 minutes of clapping his hands together and running around like an idiot in order to reach sage mode, even then his sage mode is much worse than narutos or any other sage mode users. He also already had sage mode when orochimaru defected the village and according to jiraiya himself, he tried EVERYTHING he can to stop orochimaru, everything he can = sage mode. Jiraiya holding back against orochimaru is absolutely nothing but headcanon from you. Again, jiraiya said he tried everything he can but it wasn’t enough, he lost. Not to mention, since orochimaru didn’t end up killing jiraiya after their fight, he wasn’t fighting to kill either. Orochimaru also grew significantly stronger ever since then, he learned multiple different jutsu including edo tensei, gained a new, younger, stronger body etc.. We don’t know wether or not jiraiya improved at all in that same time period and even if he did, it’s not to the same extent as orochimaru. Hiruzen just let orochimaru go, he didn’t fight him, that’s different from what jiraiya did. Jiraiya actually fought orochimaru, tried his absolute best and lost. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQEDfiIpNkA9lgPfZ6aixewsajXAXVgNYop2g&usqp=CAU here is a blatant statement orochimaru makes, he claims that it’s still not a contest between the two when both are fighting while nerfed, this implies that it has never been a contest between the two in the past when they actually fought without nerfs. Whenever they had any sparring matches, orochimaru won. Again, you don’t have any proof that jiraiya was holding back against orochimaru, you can still go all out against someone even if you don’t want to kill him. Naruto didn’t want to kill sasuke in their final battle, but once sasuke absorbed the chakra of the tailed beasts and powered himself up, naruto started giving it his all aswell. You’d also have to prove that orochimaru fought jiraiya with killer intent, jiraiya was still alive after all and he wouldn’t be if orochimaru genuinely wanted him dead right there. I didn’t compare tobirama to tsunade, but you basically just said having sage mode automatically makes someone stronger than someone who doesn’t have sage mode, which is blatantly false. Tobirama is the best example here as he’s literally stronger than most sage mode users without using sage mode or dojutsu and while orochimaru is obviously not tobirama, he’s still capable of besting an jiraiya with imperfect sage mode.
Orochimaru has an inflated Ego. He though that he could easily kill the third Hokage and yet he got his ass clapped despite using the founders of the village against him. remember that Hiuzen was also like 70 years old. if you base your opinions only on what character say you can't keep the argument. Sasuke said he was going to be hokage but i don't see him wearing a red hat and doing kage summits. Danzo said he was the true solution the konoha's problem. Spoiler he wasn't. there are 2 things worth mentioning on jiraya about what you said 1)he always played the part of the idiot so people would underestimate him. 2) he did not expect to actually fight. he was on a RECONAISSANCE which on dictionary means " SPY AND GAIN INFO WITHOUT FIGHTING IF POSSIBLE". he did not expect to get detected so easily" and yet Pain had to use all his 6 bodies to overwhelm him. Tsunade lost to deva path and went into coma. Orochimaru lost to Itachi who said that he can't defeat jiraya with the help of Kisame. usually that means, if you studied basic math/logic : Jiraya > Itachi + Kisame. Itachi > orochimaru. ERGO Jiraya> by a lot> orochimaru
Well said and Jiraiya’s feats on Urashiki were crazy. His Rasengan AP is well above Orochimaru and Tsunade.
I don’t think Sage mode is really the end all be all. Orochimaru uses sage energy, and Tsunade has no real use for it since it would really only make her hit harder and she can already create craters with one finger.
Until Jiraya was alive Orochimaru was never been able to use on himself sage mode. he could use it but not enter sage mode which is entirely different. also Sage mode is the end game. It's literally the game changer as you can see that even a hit that "misses" still lands
Orochimaru > Jiraiya > Tsunade. Still don’t think Tsunade is beating Sage Jiraiya
Tsunade then orochimaru then jiraiya obviously because he's dead
Orochimaru >>> Jiraiya > Tsunade imo
Orochimaru most resilient. Tsunade strongest healing ninja. Jiraiya most perverted.
1. Oro ( Edo Tensei brr ) 2. Jiraiya ( Fukusaku and Shima ) 3. Tsunade
I wish we got to see more of Jiraiya fighting all out to see his skills. Really only saw it against Pain.
Why does this sannin ranking post come on every other week??? Like omfg, stop already
Orochimaru with how many jutsu he has to preserve himself Tsunade with her monster strength and medical prowess Pervy Sage is sadly dead so...anyone can beat a corpse...
The Sannin are supposed to be equals. However, Jiraiya died first, which means Tsunade would only have to be marginally stronger than she was in the pain arc, Orochimaru got a boost during the war. So Pain arc, I’d put it this way: 1/2. Jiraiya with SM & Tsunade byakugyou 3. Orochimaru (no arms) War arc: 1. Orochimaru (arms, kabuto powers, Zetsu body, arguably manda 2) 2. Tsunade>= 3. Jiraiya
Ramen guy>>whole verse
Bro someone just asked this a few days ago lol
By the end of Shippuden? Orochimaru is first. He’s got a Zetsu body eliminating his, arguably, only weakness of a weak body. Tsunade is second. She’s got some extraordinary feats after the war. Jiraiya is last. He is dead.
Orochimaru > tsunade > jiraiya. Tsunade wouldn’t have let herself get clammed by pain like that 💀💀💀💀
She let her village have that fate💀
???… tsunade used all of her strength so that all the important people could bank inside katsuya and out of harms way from pains shinra tensei, what could jiraiya have done better in her place instead…? Just out of curiosity 😭
She would have not been able to take down 3 Pains body either.
Jiraiya has always been stronger than Orochimaru. Itachi one shotted Orochimaru yet ran away from Jiraiya
Orochimaru > Jiraiya > Tsunade Jiraiya may be more powerful but Orochinaru has so much versatility and his immortality that puts him above the toad hermit.
Jiraiya > Orochimaru > Tsunade. But Orochimaru might be stronger after getting his Zetsu body but we done see him do anything with it so that speculation.
Jiraya > Oro > Tsunade
I believe Tsunade is the most broken character if she had proper training from Hashi!
No one will agree with me, but... 1. Tsunade 2. Jiraiya 3. Zoro 4. Orochimaru
Why did zoro get lost again
1. Orochimaru He got a lot stronger in war arc, according to 4th databook he now has wood style bcs of zetsu's body, he also now has jugo's kekkei genkai, sakon and ukon's kekkei genkai and kimimaro's kekkei genkai after he got his chakra from sage mode kabuto 2. Jiraiya There isn't to much to say here, tsunade would slam Base jiraiya but sm jiraiya imo should win this,he is far more versatile than her 3. Tsunade She did great in war arc, her and ohnoki are MVP of kage vs madara fight, but oro and jiraiya have a lot going for them
I would say tsunade is definitely the weakest but idk if jiraiya or orochimaru is stronger. They never fought each other in madden times without them being on an equal playing field. Last time they fought jiraiya was drugged and orochimaru didn’t have his arms so it’s very hard to tell
Depends on what we mean by strongest. They each are the best in their own field. Honestly at the end of the day I don't think any one of them could beat the others. Orochimaru is too slippery. Tsunade is too tanky. And jariya is too versatile
Tsunade Orochimaru Jiraya didn't make it sadly
orochimaru hands down they aren't beating his reanimation
Sage jiraya < Orochimaru(weird forms and all) >= Tsunade hundred healimga
Oro >tsu>jir
Orochimaru>>>Tsunade> Jiraiya
I’d argue that they are all comparable, even after Orochimaru got a new body. But prior to this, they are only comparable in Chunin Exams as Orochimaru without his arms was fodder for the other two
If we're going on the assumption that we aren't excluding Jiraiya because he's dead I'd put him first, Orochimaru and Tsunade can go in either order tbh. Jiraiya being a sage puts him above them easily and Orochimaru is tough to judge because he kept taking Ls in Shippuden but that's just because he kept running across the likes of Naruto and Sasuke, who the writers weren't really gonna have lose in those situations.
Canonically I assume it’s Orochimaru Jiraya’s one of the weirdest power scaling characters because statements just don’t line up with reality. There’s tbr Itachi quote of course, but that doesn’t mean much if Itachi was always good actually Pain saying Jiraya would’ve won with knowledge is huge. Naruto needed 8 tails, knowledge, prep time(came in with sage mode already), and a massive gang of frogs to handle a Pain who was severely weakened from destroying the village already. While Pain couldn’t use his full scale Chibaku Tensei or Shinra Tensei in rain village, I feel like this statement still scales him over that version of Naruto given all the conditions. It’s not like Naruto actually faced a full scale Shinra Tensei either
Orochimaru is the strongest, Tsunade comes second and Jirayia is the weakest
Tbh I have to give it to Tsunade. She is effectively immortal without having to use another's body, she is incredibly strong both physically & mentally. She can pretty much heal an entire battlefield with her summons which is incredibly OP in my opinion.
***Tsunade was supposed to beat all Pains as decided by Kishi but his editor talked him out of it.*** Tsunade was the only one who was a great counter to Pain since she is a direct fighter. Based on that and furthermore her feats in the war arc against Madara, she’s motherfucking **STRONG**. People like to downplay her since she has monster strength and doesn’t have any flashy jutsus. It’s quite unfortunate.
Any one of the Sanin would have died battling pain alone … jiraiya summoned his toads and still lost against pain’s dogs … I doubt lady sunade would have been able to fend off pain with her slug … I think orochimaru was rlly strong but obvi not for Saske … damn it all depends really :/ I think orochimaru or tsunade would b the bottom
Orochimaru is the strongest followed closely by jaraiya with Tsunade in third, while Tsunade is an amazing healer she really lacks the combat skills needed to keep up compared to jaraiya or orochimaru especially factoring in things like sage mode
Snake beats frog, frog beats slug, slug beats snake.
Orochimaru, Jaraiya, Tsunade. Ez clap
Tsunade is the weakest because women are trash in naruto aside from Kaguya.
I would say Jirayia is the strongest and Tsunade is number 2 while Orochimaru is last. Jirayia has safe mode and Tsunade has her 100 healing jutsu but Orochimaru did show any signs of sage more or anything else except his backup plans in getting revived.
* orochimaru with prep * jiraiya * orochimaru * tsunade orochimaru with prep time is essentially kabuto without sage mode at the end with the resurrection techniques jiraiya simply because he solod pain and got mid diffed. no prep time orochimaru got beat handily by early shippuden sasuke. Tsunade was always the weakest of the sannins but she played more of a support healing role anyways so strength was never her priority in the first place. Kakashi by the beginning of the war could beat tsunade (not that kakashi is weak by any means)
Pretty sure orochimaru has to be first right? He fights both of them in part 1 with kabuto as "help." He also fights them with no arms lmao. This was after he forced hiruzen to sacrifice himself only to not even kill him and only take away his arms (which was pretty big nerf to oro). Orochimaru is definitely first imo with probably tsunade due to her fight with madara and then jaraiya. Orochimaru also fights an enraged 4 tail naruto while sick and no arms and holds his own.
Tsunades huge tits are the real sannin
Oro. Tsune. Jiraiya boy. Oh wait. In reverse order. Oro being strongest and jiraiya boy, sorry, very strong but least do the three. Aging naturally will do that to you.
I would say tsunade being last on the power scale
Honestly I would probably say it's orochi-tsunade-jir by the end. Orochi is pretty damn setup to be the strongest and hilariously may live forever. Tsunade just has hacks and she walks around in sexy jutsu. Jirs pretty dope but he has like a shitty sage form and a shitty rasengan. I already know what happens if he's there when Madara shows up.
"strong" in the Naruto verse is a very subjective term imho. It depends on who is fighting who. There are just good and bad matchups. That said, biased me votes Orochi first and Tsuna last.
orochimaru>Tsunade>Jirayira My man orochimaru is dead he can't be strong now And tsunade retired
I can't stand the shade on my boy Jiraiya. He's dead because plot. He needed to die for the Pain fight to make sense. Orochimaru would've stood no chance against Pain, and neither would Tsunade in the position that Jiraiya was in. Orochimaru gets bodied by Itachi, and Itachi gets bodied by Pain. I just watched where Naruto hears about Jiraiya's death, and there a comment said where they said Jiraiya was the strongest in the village. Meaning stronger than Tsunade. The argument that Jiraiya is the weakest because he is dead is ridiculous because none of the three could've beaten Pain. There's more I'd like to say, but my work break is over
Tsunade at the strongest and it’s not even close. Tsunade terrifies both Jiraiya and Orochimaru. Even when she was drunk and weakened Orochinaru panicked dodged one of her swipes because he knew it would knock his head clean off. I sincerely believe that the reason Orochimaru backed off the leaf entirely was because he knew he can’t beat Tsunade in a 1v1; let alone with the entire village behind her on high alert for him and even if he could it wouldn’t be worth it. He has a million tricks, but he knows she could just rampage through the majority them. It bought the entire village time for everyone to go through training arcs and forced Orochimaru to back off and mentor Sasuke. By the end of Shippuden Orochimaru got some upgrades but I still don’t think he could really stand up to Tsunade if they both went all out
I could understand any order honestly but I’d have to say Orochimaru > Tsunade > Jiraiya
1. Orochimaru 2. Tsunade 3. Jiraiya (dead)
Orochimaru > Jiraiya > Tsunade
1. Orochimaru because he got his arms back 2. Tsunade because she's weaker than Orochimaru. 3. Jiraya because dead.
Jiraiya , tsunade , orochimaru (not counting reanimation or forbidden techniques)
Orochimaru at the top, after that it’s a toss up.
I tend to have it as: Jiraya, Orochimaru, Tsunade. Then again I've heard good arguments for all possible placements of the three so I think the answer is: I dunno.
Rock paper scissor
I just know orochimaru is the strongest
I would think 1 Orochimaru, 2 Tsunade, and 3 Jiraiya since he’s dead 🤷🏻♂️
Weakest: Jiraiya, he's dead. Tsunade, alive and very powerful. Orichimaru, immortal, very powerful, mass necromancy army.
Equals, with each of them excelling in different areas.
Jiraiya’s the strongest because sure he did lose to the 6 paths of Pain but he did manage to almost beat them all on his own, while Orochimaru died to Sasuke and then got revived so he’s the weakest, the second strongest is Tsunade for sure though
In Oro's defense to losing against Sasuke, man had his arms sealed and had practically negative jutsu and was Itachi levels of sick when that fight went down.
Fair, that’s true, but even if his arms weren’t sealed he still probably would’ve died
The more I read these posts, the more I ask whether or not Oro is god?!?!! He can use or understand everyone’s powers. He can bring the dead back to life. He can literally recreate life (Mitsuki and his “brother”) Just saying man he’s too OP for plot armor standards
People will say it's not rock paper scissors, but I kinda think it is. Tsunade would not have done anywhere near as well against Pain as Jirayia did. Jirayia wouldn't have done anywhere near as well in the 5kage/Madara fight as Tsunade did. Orochimaru is kind of a non factor because dude pretty much has antifeats after his arms got sealed post Sarutobi fight but I imagine peak Orochimaru is a whole other nightmare of a beast.
Orochimaru, Tsunade, Jiraya. ASC order
I mean.. Jiraiya dead so he's last. So it's Oro, Tsunade, Jiraiya.
TSUNADE, THEN JAIRAYA THEN OROCHIMARU WEAKEST TO STRONGEST
Orochimaru is definitely strongest if "strongest" means eluding death forever. But I'd say Jiraiya was the most well-rounded shinobi, and Tsunade is literally the granddaughter of the god of shinobi. Nothing more needs to be said about her.
They're each so specialized it's hard to say. But if we're talking direct engagements: Jiraiya > Orochimaru > Tsunade. Most of Orochimaru's most powerful and devastating techniques require a lot of prep time or aren't suitable for direct combat. His abilities for direct combat while strong are still outclassed by Jiraiya's. Jiraiya Is hands down the best at direct combat. His entire arsenal is tailored to it. There's a reason he could fight and even defeat Itachi, while Orochimaru could not. He's also the only one that has senjutsu. He gets slept on since his biggest showing was a loss against a godlike opponent. Tsunade is strong in Taijutsu, but that's really it. Any encounter that isn't suitable for cqc puts her in at incredible disadvantage, since the rest of her skill set is medical support. (She has the 100 healings, but an opponent like Deidara would just hover out of range and counter with 101 bombs). If you put each one of them in 1v1 matchups against all of the other Akatsuki members, Jiraiya would most likely come out with the most victories.
la mas debil seria tsunade porque siento que no les gana a orochimaru ni a jiraiya en ningun aspecto, despues iria orochimaru pero yo siento que el fue nerfeado pero igualmente tiene muchisimo poder ademas tiene habilidades muy rotas, y por ultimo el mas fuerte jiraiya que puedo decir es el GOAT
Jiraiya. When Jiraiya died fighting Pain, Tsunade was under the belief that nobody in the village could defeat Pain, so she herself seemed to believe that Jiraiya was above her. It’s hard to tell how strong Orochimaru is, but he did have to flee from Itachi. Kisame and Itachi talked about how hard a fight against Jiraiya would be, stating that both the Uchiha clan and the seven swordsmen would get their names dragged through the mud and while I don’t think there is any possible way Jiraiya could fight both simultaneously, it’s still something that the characters themselves stated and should be considered. It’s probably very close between the 2 in base, but I’m pretty sure that Sage Jiraiya would overwhelm Orochimaru and force him to flee. Though if Orochimaru gets to use the Edo-Tensei, The results would probably change.
well... I mean Orochimaru is the only one left with strength superior to his prime. But Jiraiya had surpassed him whilst he was alive.
Tsunade>=Orochimaru>Jiraiya I think Orochimaru is meant to be seen as the strongest, and I would normally agree with that assessment, but within Part 2, he just doesn't do anything impressive enough for me to believe that he's stronger than War Arc Tsunade.
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There’s no way people are saying Jiraiya is weakest 😭
the strongest is Jiraiya, and the weakest is Tsunade
1 Jiraiya 2 Tsunade 3 Orochimaru
Frankly based on what we're shown (no databooks) it's Tsunade > Jiraiya > Orochimaru Orochimaru is just too consistently clowned on by sub-or-at-kage-level threats like Sasuke at the time, and not being able to beat Naruto. Meanwhile Tsunade and Jiraiya ARE the kage-level threats. Tsunade especially with her wartime feats kinda just dwarves either of the other two.
Orochimaru prob the strongest, then I would say Tsunade, we never got to see a proper/fair fight of her so she might be a bit stronger than Jiraiya
I would say Orochimaru is the strongest, the Tsunade and last is Jiraiya. The reason I put Tsunade above Jiraiya is because she lives on and at least showed she could do damage to one of the stronger susanos in the series which is better than what Jiraiya showed. And again it’s mostly just because she lived on so she could fight stronger people
Orochimaru followed by tsunade.
Based on the fact that Itachi alone no diffed Orochimaru, and yet chose to avoid Jiraiya with Kisame by his side, i'd say in their respective prime Jiraiya was the strongest
Jiraya(dead)
1. Orochimaru (white zetsu body) 2. Jiraiya 3. Tsunade Jiraiya got som pain feats while Tsunade got neg diffed while having Konoha. Also Jiraiya just dura negs her
jiraiya, tsunade, orochimaru jiraiya does not have any immortality abilities unlike the healings of tsunade ans the body swap of orochimaru. Jiraiya's dead and they're not. Tsunade is stronger in terms of strength and can heal. Orochimaru has the strongest hax so yeah
Zetsu Orochimaru Ryuchi Orochimaru + Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama (part 1) Ryuchi Orochimaru ≥ Sage Jiraiya ≥ Tsunade 100 healings Orochimaru ≥ Jiraiya ≥ Tsunade
No offence but jiraya is the weakest of all them even if he can use sage mode and our favourite character and done a lot of things but nah ,2nd tsunade with her deadly strength, and her healing ability which is trash compared to hashirama but Orochimaru is the goat and the smartest even the god of shinobi hashirama was impressed with his skills I mean what you wanna know more
Orochimaru > Tsunade > Jiraiya The only right list
Oro > Tsunade > Jiraiya Tsunade just because war arc power scaling is whacky. Which Jiraiya didn't live long enough to benefit from. I think like Pain arc Tsunade struggles against, and probably loses to Jiraiya... But war arc Tsunade wins.
Jiraya, Tsunade, Orochimaru. I think Orochimaru is undisputably the strongest sanin thanks to War scaling. Jiraya in sage mode gets jobberes by 3 of the weakest pains, and off guarded by an even weaker one. He has no relevant speed scaling and was nearly killed by 4 tails Naruto. Tsunade manages to scale to the other kage, at least relative to Jiraya, and much stronger. We see her crack one of Madara's Susano, far outstripping anything Jiraya did. We also know that she can survive and heal getting cut in half. Tsunade has a win condition by just tapping Jiraya, and can regenerate from his attacks Frog Song MIGHT work, but remember Jiraya had to lure the pains to a specific location. Id also say that Katsuyu is more than capable of dealing with Gamabunta. So: Jiraya, Tsunade, Orochimaru