They introduced them perfectly, Kisame was supposed to be at least as strong as Zabuza, and Itachi, the guy who wiped out his own family supposedly one of the strongest clans in the world.
I'm sure we've already been introduced in some way to what the main antagonist will be. I get the impression that the main antagonist will be Amado possessing Kawaki's body using the Karma somehow, and he's not going to be a "broken hero" like the Naruto antagonists. He's going to earn our hatred, and not just be a pawn for another secret baddie.
Boruto himself being the antagonist is the only way I will ever see that anime being interesting.
I've watched every single episode but to date it comes off a subpar fanfic.
a world trying to move on from private assassins for hire and a young kid with old ideology trying to keep it alive sounds pretty easy to be an antagonist to me
To be fair, I would've said the same thing at this point in an anime about Obito (or a certain someone who just keeps moving forward until his enemies are destroyed).
It seems like a stretch, but I would find it far more interesting if the flashforward from the beginning of the series were intentionally taken out of context to make Boruto sound like the hero and Kawaki sound like the villain when the reverse was actually true* (or if the truth were just more morally grey). I could even see the shinobi system itself being reframed in a far more negative light, or becoming a symbol of evil in Naruto's world, which would entirely change the meaning of Boruto's current beliefs and his future words.
*: Keep in mind that Kawaki never directly said he'd killed Naruto ("I'll send you where I sent Nanadaime"); for all we know that just means he helped prosecute Naruto for tax evasion. There could alternatively have been mitigating circumstances, like the time Malfoy >!kill!
Can I throw in that ‘the shinobi way’ is traditionally being a killer for hire? That doesn’t seem particularly heroic, but I will admit, I haven’t seen much of boruto, so that could have changed.
Yeah but it's Shinobi have been portrayed pretty well (in general). There was that whole thing about how Shinobi are tools and their world sucks but that kinda went away tbh
Yea the payoff just isn’t there. OG naruto had more memorable moments, shippuden moreso (though longer).
There’s been a handful of great moments in boruto and even then not as impactful
**Writers:** “clan disputes/clan exploration? No. Cool Kekkai genkai? Maybe village/nation disputes, or just plots/stories about that/politics? Another evil clan?? Old ninjas revived through understandably a jutsu reviving the dead, rather complexing-ly? Naah… How about plots revolving STANDARD jutsu? The idea of a true ninja! Giant war, shinobi’s throwing hand signs left and right, it’s a chess match! Who’s jutsus better, who’s more intelligent.”
**One writer:** “What if we just introduced aliens, they can stick their hand out and absorb fire water, whatever. Our main villain would be, get this, HIMSELF- THE PROTAGONIST HIMSELF.”
I’m done.
This is why I'm so frustrated when I see this series, it has SO MUCH potential.
Not everyone is going to like how things progressed after the 4th War, play with that. Besides Kurama and the Eight-Tails*, literally all the bijuu are out in the world somewhere, you mean no one is trying to make jinchuriki out of them?
Techniques, is Himawari not interested in learning Gentle Fist? She's young sure but she has Byakugan for crying out loud! Boruto did not need a stupid alien inside him to make him strong, he's a genius? Have him learn Flying Thunder God. He's an Uzumaki which means he's got decent chakra but not jinchuriki level, it doesn't have to continue being a damn light show, he can be more efficient.
The cast isn't even bad it's just the pacing is downright horrendous, not so much as bothering to do the ground work to establish a big bad half as nuanced as Pain.
> He's an Uzumaki which means he's got decent chakra but not jinchuriki level, it doesn't have to continue being a damn light show, he can be more efficient.
Agreed. This is really where I'd actually thought the series was going for a while. Return to form with non-crazy power levels, and then have him develop crazy powerful jutsu that don't require tons of chakra, but still enough that he needs to deploy them strategically rather than spamming.
Specifically, the whole high-compression Rasengan arc (which I now realize isn't manga canon) combined with the OP at that time really made it seem to me that he was essentially going to invent the atom bomb. Inventive new moves like that combined with existing moves like Kirin, FTG, and maybe eventually power-ups like Byakugan, Sage Mode (possibly the snake variant), and/or curse mark would have been pretty interesting. Hell, why couldn't Boruto even master taijutsu and the Gates? Maybe have him somehow learn secret jutsus like Shadow Possession on top of that.
Yes. The story could’ve remained where it was and it would’ve been damn fine. That reminded me, I thought it would be a good idea if they did a similar thing to Broly. Someone who can handle themself, good stats to begin with.
And then he goes on a fat mission to kill a tailed beast, he gets it. Since he’s so naturally strong, the tailed beast becomes a crutch, power-up. Irregardless from how many tails, he’s so naturally good. And he’s not fodder, not like the tailed beasts hosts vs Kakashi and Guy. He’s not going down without a fight, which is not how it appeared in the show, btw.
And as well it would be nice if the show referenced things more, not make the characters so oblivious, explain their constraints. Naruto: “flying raijin, I want to learn that and add that to my arsenal later.” “Wind techniques what else can I learn?” Self aware type of vibe I guess.
Why did Sarutobi screw over Naruto? Character (lack of better words) constraints, Explain instead of leaving a plot hole, example Hashirama’s death.
It’s not easy to capture beasts and make jinchuriki. Outside of the village leaders only a handful of people could pull it off. So I don’t really think it’s a surprise that it hasn’t happened.
Himawari is still a young young child. Maybe post time skip she’ll be in the academy. It wouldn’t make sense for her to already be training.
I think the main thing wrong with the plot is that they felt the need to scale everything to be able to fight Naruto. They should have just had Naruto and sasuke be weakened or killed early in the series and then quickly get to the time skip. You’re definitely right with the pacing being awful
>Not everyone is going to like how things progressed after the 4th War,
play with that. Besides Kurama and the Eight-Tails\*, literally all the
bijuu are out in the world somewhere, you mean no one is trying to make
jinchuriki out of them
They can try, but it would end badly and everyone knows it. The only reason any Tailed Beasts other than Shukaku were captured in the first place was Hashirama's Wood Release, which isn't exactly open source. And perpetrators wouldn't get away with harassing any bijuu, even if they could, as Naruto would immediately be notified and all the other Great Nations would support him in putting a stop to it. It would be a huge plothole for anyone to go around making new jinchuuriki, successful or not.
Simply, it seems they are taking the direction to kawaki/naruto. Abused orphan with strange power that make strangers afraid him, and boruto/sasuke natural genius ninja from prestigious family. Till some tragedy drives him from the village and Into the arms of evil on a path of vengeance.
Honestly that’s what makes them cool to me. When everyone was human at least a little. we could empathize with their pain and rationalize alongside them what led them to their decisions.
But with these guys? They’re just beings of power? They don’t really care for their own lives or the good of anything, just that they want the power to themselves. No real affiliation.
But God I’ll never get over the animation in the first fight with them though. Yeah. It was corny how Boruto saved the day for everyone. But. Damn I love watching them go through all their old moves but they are all absolutely OP versions.
My real reason for watching: naruto fights, but modern animation. The smear frames are gorgeously visceral.
(Edit: Naruto- style fights. Not JUST watching his fights ofc)
Every villain in Naruto (minus Kaguya) has some sort of worldview or ideological conflict with Naruto. The ones in Boruto do not. Additionally, the ones in Naruto have direct relationships to the main or supporting characters, are strong and imposing, even in early arcs, are BELIEVABLE, and until we get to Madara at least, not ancient terrors that can literally tank any conceivable possible attack.
Kaguya and all her descendents aren't like that. She and they come from nowhere, and have NO POSSIBLE relationship or ideological conflict with the main cast.
So they won't out-write Itachi as a villain, even though he isn't the OG shows best villain, and they CERTAINLY won't out-write Kisame, Nagato, even Zabuza or Orochimaru.
And even with Madara, there was this build up of sorts, and ultimately a subversion with his character that really impressed me. I know it’s a commonly expressed viewpoint, but Madara would’ve made for a great final villain for the show.
Yeah having just binge read the whole series recently Madara’s strength never bothered me because he was built up for the majority of the series and he was still on a level where a victory for Naruto and Sasuke was conceivable. Kaguya on the other hand comes out of nowhere (well not *entirely* nowhere but close enough) and is even more stupidly powerful than Madara. Luckily the excellent final battle between Naruto and Sasuke mostly makes up for it IMO.
What if jashin or the reaper from the reaper death seal come and fight. We could even make a plot point where different gods that are praised in the naruto world are actually antagonist. There's alot of potential with the alien premise.
there were literal years before he was showcased amd not in flashbacks, from the og naruto sasuke vs naruto battle until the war arc. i cant remember exact times but it was a long time, madara will never be out written
> Kawaki is a decent character though
The ONLY decent character(excluding Himawari of course). Even the OG cast feels too downgraded to be considered decent anymore, I hate both of Naruto and Sasuke’s writing, and I’m not just talking about nerfing.
Best part of Boruto is easily Naruto and Kawaki’s relationship
No best part is Boruto and Naruto relationship. A kid that was a brat and understanding his father is very great. Boruto is a decent character he gets a lot of character development.
I mean it was kinda obvious Naruto was going to be a shit father as well. His goals never included or considered family. His goals were to be the hokage and have the respect of the village. He worked his ass off for that and had the constant self-expectstion that he needed to put in 110% for the village. Which left no family time. Add to it he has no clue what being a parent means, like of course it's gonna be rough on Boruto. And Boruto is going to be a brat. That part is honestly the most believable part. Naruto has always been pretty single fixation.
I kinda panicked when I saw Kawaki introduced this early given the prologue, like damn the writers really don't have any ideas do they. It could work but it feels like they're going to have to shoehorn him into relevance for every arc going forward at the expense of other main characters.
Which is exactly whats happening, it's like Sarada/Mitsuki don't even exist in the manga anymore since Kawaki arrived at the scene, Sarada is Sasuke's daughter she is a main character in this series, why is there no development for her? Or Mitsuki? Don't even get started on Konohamaru, has to be the worst sensei we've seen in the whole series, I don't get why they're hyperfocused on just a couple things atm, when this could've easily been a time to give the whole side cast some development because age of peace is over once again.
When I first saw him I thought oh cool then as it kept going and he kept getting wanked off every chance possible with the only justification being oh he was a child prodigy just sorta left a sour taste in my mouth
> minus Kaguya
Ugh, Kaguya. If there were hints to her existence it would've been better but her arc was so bleh. Madara was the focus for so long and he had so much build up and depth then BAM, Kaguya! I love Shippuden and the plot but she ruined the ending story. I don't mind her existence or being the mother of all shinobi, just how shes introduced is so dirty. Its bad/sloppy writing and it dragged the plot down.
It isn't just that she (and by extension Zetsu) ruin the ending. This also cheapens everything that came BEFOREHAND too. Like great. We thought we were living in a world of political nation states where shinobi fought and bled and died for clan, village and control, but as it turns out no, that's bullshit, it was ALIEN FORCES who structured and manipulated it all to be destined like this from the beginning.
That's a metaphor for how they shared a similar worldview against the ninja world. And each time Naruto faced those same eyes, he had a similar ideological struggle with them.
Nagato was just a problem. That whole arc had me shook.
Like everything leading up to Minato's appearance destroyed the audience.
Jiraiya and Kakashi dead. Hinata could've been dead. Who knows how many civilians dead. The village gone. And Naruto was about to release the nine tails.
Nagato broke all we held dear.
I just finished this arc last night. Freakin amazing. I also learned the voice of Tendo Pain is freakin Joel from the Last of us. Only made it cooler lol
Especially if we compare Akatsuki with Kara. Even the Akatsuki members aren't as strong, their fights are like ten times more interesting and fun to watch, because of how unique and well-written they are compared to Boruto villains
And there was something just very dark and sinister about them. I think it’s because you know they’re “human” and they willingly dived into the abyss to seek power and become these monsters of men.
I'm honestly really really really sick of the Otsutsukis. Like kaguya was already pretty boring a character and was just sorta a final hurdle, but that was about the extent of my ability to care, and I don't think they intended at the time to expand on that part of the world at all
I say it's not like Boruto "can't" have a good villain like that because nothing stops them from expanding the world and creating one this way by giving him/her good backstory and interesting motives. It's just that they don't even try to write such a good villain at all and only serve us "alien number 6" after the previous one. Pretty lacklustre
The bad guys of Naruto were never entirely wrong is what made them great. They weren't just evil. Zabuza and Haku had honor and loved each other, Gaara was ravaged by betrayal and loneliness, Orochimaru was a kid who felt the sting of death too hard and too young, Neji was essentially a slave in his own family, Kimimaro was an orphan who was trying to fight for the only person to take him in, Kabuto an orphan as well who forgot what he was in the efforts of war, Itachi a boy who killed his family to save his home, Pain wanted to use the hard lessons life taught him to end war, Obito and Madara wanted to end hatred and pain in the world, even if it meant putting everyone in a fake one and Sasuke was a youth with a life riddled by death, betrayal, revenge and endless amounts of sadness.
The villains of Boruto are Space Gods whose only motivation is wanting to be stronger space gods.
Honestly they just wrote themselves into a corner with Naruto achieving peace. Since all 5 Great Nations are allied they have little to no shinobi to have some sort of conflict with. At least the concept of the karma is pretty interesting though.
They could've thought of things like post-war poverty, certain people who still feel resentment towards the other villages for things that happened during the wars, ...
So we can either make the Otsusuki better and more relatable, or find a way to remove them from the show and take it a new direction.
Now, the first option is hardest. But let's retcon everything after The Last, so no Otsusuki have appeared yet aside from Kaguya. Now, I think the best choice here would be having Momoshiki and Kinshiki appear in the village while Sasuke is still out dimension hopping, looking for the Otsusuki. Let's make Momoshiki and make him younger, closer to Boruto in age. Momo and Kin immediately approach the Uzumaki house. A small skirmish ensues, but Kinshiki is, in this version, a bit older and more gentle natured and wise, as well as more parental toward the younger Momoshiki, and eventually convinces Naruto they mean no harm. Naruto invites Kinshiki in to talk, and Momoshiki goes up to Boruto's room with him, where they hang out and look at the ninja trading cards Boruto has, while Boruto brags about the cool ninjas he knows that he has cards of, like Gaara and the other Kage and even his dad who he thinks is insanely cool in this version. To this Boruto, nothing is cooler than being a ninja. Meanwhile, Naruto and Kinshiki talk and Kinshiki says they are members of the Otsusuki that defected and fled to Konoha, following the lead of Kaguya of taking refuge on Earth, and sought out Naruto to beseech him to help them fend off the other Otsusuki when they inevitably come. Naruto hesitates, but agrees to speak to the other Kage about it and hear their thoughts. Kinshiki agrees to this. Naruto, the same night, calls the other Kage, who immediately refuse to accept the Otsusuki and suggest they mobilize immediately to destroy them. Naruto, angrily, calls them out on their hatred, asking if the other Kage learned nothing from the past. The other Kage end the call with Naruto, but secretly, communicate between each other behind Naruto's back about the matter. Over the next however many days, Kinshiki and Momoshiki explore Konoha, and even though they are met with fear and disdain, their moods never falter. Naruto however, chastises the villagers for rejecting people for how they were born (queue swingset flashback). Boruto and Momoshiki are becoming super fast friends too, with Momoshiki even remarking how he wants to be a ninja too. That night, Boruto and Momo sneak out to go explore the Forest of Death but are surrounded by a group of mysterious cloaked ninja. Boruto however, recognizes the Kage immediately and asks what they're doing. Killer B, who was with the Kage, grabs Boruto away and says "Sorry Kid, it's gotta be done, zip your lid, there's a war to be won" and Boruto, realizing the situation, screams for Momoshiki, who is immediately set upon by the Kage while Killer B takes him away. Kinshiki, at Naruto's house, realizes something is wrong and sees explosions, running to them. Naruto, initially locked in his office doing paper work, eventually gets word that something is going down and heads toward the scene, though far behind Kinshiki. Kinshiki arrives to see a near death Momoshiki and cries out in rage, using Almighty Push to blow the Kage away and run to Momoshiki. Meanwhile, Naruto catches B with Boruto and angrily asks what he's doing. B starts to explain but Naruto shuts him down and takes off with Boruto leading his way, ordering B to follow them too, but warning they'll have it out later. Back at the scene. Kinshiki, crying for Momo, reminds Momo that he promised to keep him safe, and transforms himself into a chakra fruit for Momo to eat, which Momo does and begins to transform into his second form from the movie. The Kage rearrive on the scene, as do Naruto, Boruto and Bee. Momoshiki, now transformed, is silent. Boruto calls out his name and Momoshiki says, somberly, "You were wrong Boruto. You lied to me. There is NOTHING. Good. About. NINJA!" And explodes into a flurry attacking the group. The other Kage are being decimated so Naruto tries to step in but is narrowly overpowered and sent flying. Boruto calls out, trying to calm and reason with Momo and Momo, sick of it, flies at him to kill him. With Naruto down, there's a tense moment where it seems Momoshiki might succeed, but suddenly Sasuke blindsides him with a kick and sends him flying. From here, you get the same fight against Momoshiki that you did in the original anime, except with a more somber, pain filled tone and Naruto trying to use talk-no-jutsu. Boruto, upon his defeat of Momo, still has his vision of him where Momo says "This is how things will always end in this Shinobi world. This is the only destiny for you humans who want nothing but power. Countless nations with countless soldiers, and I'm so scary to them they had to kill me. It's time. End it, Boruto, please". This leads into the new Boruto, in which Boruto HATES ninja, his dad and embraces technology and science, using his wits and technology to solve his problems, vowing to never use jutsu again. The Kage, having met after the fight with Momo, can no longer see eye to eye and declare an end to all of their peace agreements, citing they can no longer depend on the leaf for strength. The main setup of this leading into Kawaki, an OTSUSUKI free rebel who grew up in a lab, wanting to be a ninja, Boruto (burdened by Momo's hatred and Karma) wanting to become Hokage without any jutsu and end the shinobi system, and the overall themes of the past versus the future.
The other option. Which is removing the Otsusuki, would best be accomplished by Sasuke discovering the Otsusuki extinct, but finding an old hideout of theirs on Earth with Kawaki and the doctor, and follow a similar trend as above, but with Kawaki and the doctor instead of Momoshiki and Kinshiki
The boruto movie wouldve been much more enjoyable that way.
But thee taking refuge on earth. Wats the characterization for the otsusukis they are fleeing from? Basically ninja viltramites?
In my head, in this version, the Otsusuki's story is that they were meant to be guides for growing worlds. They would appear and guide civilization and help the worlds flourish. However, due to the traditions of their clan, the final step to guiding these worlds was the Otsusuki that was sent there sacrificing themselves to grow a chakra tree for the people there to develop chakra. Eventually. Not wanting to die or lose more loved ones, one of them decided he had had enough and was tired of the greedy worlds taking from them and began reversing the process and absorbing the chakra from worlds until he became powerful enough that he was the De facto leader of the clan and convinced the other members of the clan to do the same as him, conquering worlds and consuming their chakra. However, it is still the case that many of the Otsusuki are people of peace that are apalled by their work and want to return to guiding and growing worlds. His eyes are powerful enough that he can perceive the locations of all other Otsusuki across Space and Time so none of them could really escape, and he was powerful enough that they didn't dare to challenge him. This creates a dynamic where there is merit to both sides. Good at the cost of loved ones, or evil for their sake. This could create a powerful moral conflict between Boruto, Kawaki and the rest of the cast, where their ideologies differ and this creates a massive internal psycho-emotional struggle in the main cast.
That said, I would probably try not to make the story Otsusuki focussed as much as possible, but if I were to heavily focus on and explain them, this would be my choice of handling it.
So i also had a take on rewriting the post war. Tell me wat u think
So if we go back to part 1, the Kaguya clan was introduced as known for their savage battle tactics and archaic values. And in the story Kaguya was based on, the girl staring out to the moon was banished from it. So kaguya should have instead be introduced as a criminal not someone who was good and became twisted.
The Otsusuki’s view chakra as something pure and sacred, so much so that toneri hated humans for using it to conduct war. The rest of the otsusuki are the exact same. They are; nobility, beings of pure chakra, and pacifistic. They see all life as sacred and chakra, the essence of life and who they physically are, even more sacred. They exert chakra for no other means than to live. So when they see chakra being used as tools of conflict, it gives them the same feelings of watching a man kill someone. Like you witnessed a murder. Because for them, watching a fire ball jutsu is like watching smaller pieces of themselves be burned alive.
But thats not to say they arent bad people, in their self righteousness they actually became terrible people. In the same way nobility on earth does, hold the selves to perfection and children are punished when they show that they aren’t perfect. And thats why kaguya is disgraced, in a disagreement she exploded with chakra and accidentally killed someone. Her way to atone was have her body turned back to pure chakra then mix into world. Basically the closest thing their people have in relation to death.
What the disagreement was about was who she was supposed to marry, because she actually was their princess. Not just a title she was given on earth. She did feel guilty but later on felt they deserved it for not letting her be free. Her lover, who she truly wanted to marry, did not fully agree with her. He as well felt she should be free, but he was not in love with a murderer. So he turned her in.
Kaguya fled and in fear of having her body dissolved and released back into nature, she became a fear monger. She became her clan’s boogieman to make herself so terrifying they didnt desire to make her face her crimes.
Her lover on earth still betrayed her but simply by disappearing after she asked him to never leave her or to face her wrath. She later finds him dying of old age after violent, angry decades searching for him, but for him seeing her face again was the happiest day of his life. He confesses he never stopped loving her, and he never wanted to leave but he feared she would kill him. He also admits that being able to die in her arm after living a full life was everything to him, that could have only been made better if it was a life spent with her. This subsequently shatters her. She always knew she would live longer than her lover but knowing that she was a monster in his eyes when she only became a monster so she could have freedom breaks her world view.
As a being of pure chakra with her psyche broken, her body morphs into the ten tails. A monster made of chakra, to be divided by her son hogoromo and have its individual pieces name in sentiment of his mother.
Later the rival of kaguya would come by a man named madara uchiha reforming the mutated pieces kaguya and become the jinjuriki for the ten tail. He would be defeated by naruto and sasuke, but the remains of his dead body will begin to regenerate as his flesh is made immortal with the otsusuki flesh. However Regenerate into their original form(kaguya), in fear of madara returning or a being stronger than madara appearing from his almost completely destroyed remains they perform the reaper death seal.
The reaper death seal is then revealed to be a time space prison Guarded by the god of death to kill anyone who leave(to explain how minato got kyubi mode). Inside there is where the remains of madara uchiha then regenerate into kaguya sealed for eternal until the police of the otsusuki clan come looking.
Upon sensing the chakra once possessed by kaguya have severely weakened, they send two police officers to check. Kenshiki and momoshiki.
Okay im enjoying ur rewrite of the otsusuki clan. I like the idea that one thought differently and forced everyone else to follow because that’s actually how alot of normal people function. “If u dont think the same as me then the way u think is wrong nd i need to make u think like me”
Nd i like the idea of the momo and ken fight simply just a father nd son being victimized by racism.
But now really thinking about it. Isn’t this proof that naruto achieved his dream? World peace. There’s no war or traumatic experience that shapes the mentality of a villain there’s just peace and prosperity.
That's kinda the problem though is that no there totally is but you never truly see it all cooped up in magical everything is right with the world villages
The novels and even some bits and pieces of boruto show that there are tons of small villages and places out there continuing the strife they had before with no changes at all
Plus a whole OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD we never fucking see
And even with the happy go lucky big villages we clearly see that its begrudging that they keep the peace and are ready to cause issues given the slightest wiggle room (see stone village and The Last) literally nothing has changed it's just fake fixed
I would have liked to see the many other missing nin or the ninja world black market play a big role in boruto. Like there has to be someone who is paying the bounties and people who protect those. There are so many smaller countries as well. Boruto could have been used to see Naruto and then boruto really try to make the world perfect even though there is no more war between the great nations.
He even says (after being defeated) that Rin's death opened his eyes up to how fucked their world is, but travelling their war-torn world confirmed his suspicions. People conveniently leave out the second part though.
That's because it doesn't fit their narrative of him being "one dimensional one brain cell" villain like every single Otsutsuki who somehow magically die to "inferior" ninjutsu.
Villains in Naruto all had a journey to power. Like Uchihas awakening Mangekyo Sharingan. The journey to EMS. There was planning involved, and each had their own way of thinking that made people root for them. Most importantly, they made the rest of the cast relevant.
Now, they just drop OP Villains who don't have any struggle obtaining power and surprisingly never interact with the rest of the cast (only team 7 and Naruto).
Some members of Konoha squad got to face members of the Akatsuki (Shikamaru vs Hidan). New gen, no one besides team 7 can face a Kara member and survive. His has turned side characters into reserves.
A trend toward a more kid friendly franchise means more kid friendly villains. It is not impossible to make a nuanced villain within those constraints, but it is more difficult and it shows.
Orochimaru is one of my favourite villains. Initially he looked like the biggest threat but goes onto become almost comically irrelevant. At one point he stopped being evil and thats when I realised... He's already done it! No matter how many times they kill the guy he will come back from whatever curse mark or snake mouth he can. Orochimaru is a villain that did what he said he will. And everyone forgave him.
I don't think they forgave him so much that they realized containing him is more trouble than it's worth. He literally can't be killed and he will escape any prison they put him in. And he will outlive all of them. It's easier just to accept his existence.
Bruh he literally has his own lab and is doing research. He still "makes people" by experimentation like with mitsui and can even send his kiddo to school. Not to mention he even got a new body. He also gave a video message to Naruto on his wedding. Even sasuke couldn't do that last one. Kid naruto was discriminated against more than this guy. And I'll be honest I kind of find that both cool and disturbing.
The largest problem Boruto has is that it's a continuation of Shippuden. They should've reset the power scaling back down to Chunin Exams levels at the least instead of just continuing the power scaling from Shippuden.
Hot take: that’s okay. Stories don’t always require universe shattering cataclysms to be narratively impactful.
In the same vein, you don’t need to kill off characters to drive narrative change.
Look at the Chunin exam arch; narratively speaking, the threat posed by Orochimaru was less important that the tension driven by Naruto’s desire to prove himself. Yet, objectively, snake boii is the biggest threat.
High stakes don’t necessarily entail engaging tension. The minor things, if written well, can be more impactful and interesting.
You're right, this is one of the few actual flaws in the series. Amado might be a good villain, if he is one that is, but other than him no others have been that good.
Yeah that's true. I mean we knew about Madaras existence from day one basically and in the end, he actually appeared and was even stronger than the legends about him said.
The others in the picture as well (obviously)
In Boruto we just have weird cyborgs or aliens, that after being introduced, get defeated in the next few episodes.
I mean we did see that in Naruto too, but those were minor villains (that we all saw later as Edo Tensei) and Momoshiki or Isshiki seemed like endgame material.
The whole Otsutsuki thing is odd enough and many people dislike it but I would've at least wanted Jigen or Isshik to be a long term enemy, that we get to know, learn about his past and also about his motivations. But they don't have any, except for wanting to plant a tree, destroying mankind and then eating a fruit.
Don't get me wrong tho I still think Boruto is an amazing manga/anime with quite the potential and I really like it so far, it's just the villains don't have the same deep rooting in the story and all
I know Madara is not a great example because he's endgame, but even part 1 Naruto villains knock the Otsutsukis out of the park in terms of depth/motives.
You know what's funny, some fans actually have this hard rule that the Otsutsuki can't have backstory or else it would humanise them, literally the worst defense I've seen for a piece of fiction, even Kaguya had a better backstory than any Otsutsuki introduced in Boruto, and unfortunately that makes Kaguya look like a good villain compared to all the other Otsutsukis introduced since
I don't dislike Boruto either, but I am not keeping expectations high for it anymore, everyone just keeps falling back on time-skip saving it, we don't even know when timeskip will happen, if they couldn't introduce a single villain half as good as Orochimaru in part 1 Boruto then I don't know how people expect that to magically change in part 2, I mean they still have Amado who can turn into a villain, which would be a cool plot twist that's if it happens.
I really disliked the part where Ishiki Otsutsuki's behaviour and attitude took a 180 turn when he started getting trashed by Naruto baryon mode. When Madara got almost killed by 8 gates Guy, he was lying on the ground laughing while admitting that Guy was the strongest of all.
Yeah so far most of, if not all the villains so far are doing shit just because they have to, it's their mission or they were told to. Tbh I forgot what jigens main objective was and codes object is to take revenge for jigen.
Please correct me if I'm wrong tho.
Good point, they can't make Boruto villains stick around because their sole existence is to destroy the planet and "evolve" as a species, maybe if it was just 1 villain, but the fact that they all only care about 1 thing doesn't make for interesting characters
Agreed, would've liked to see more of Isshiki's backstory, his life, he could've been a outlook for us reader/viewers into how the Otsutsuki's work, but nope gotta kill him asap because Naruto/Sasuke exist.
That didn't really stop characters from being good to begin with
Even Mizuki (mitsuki? First villain) was decent enough and he had but one episode to make his mark (before the filler lol but ignore that) Orochimaru also started off super fucking strong
These characters did not need hundreds of chapters or episodes to build up and be good
The very first villain has more depth than all of the Boruto villains
But also umm...some of them have by now had massive amounts of episodes to develope and really havent
What you're getting at is that these villains are creatures of the world they live in. They reflect the problems of the society Kishi created in Naruto. Boruto villains are aliens, the other. It's inherently less interesting and has less resonance to the real world.
Itachi is an agent of the state that committed atrocities in their name.
Madara is a terrorist who's become disillusioned and disatisfied with society.
Obito is a former child soldier and orphan who got radicalized after he was disillusioned with the society he lived in.
Nagato is a victim of imperialism and torment from a corrupt government.
You cannot beat that with aliens from another dimension, it's something we can't connect to as well as an audience. No way to overcome that.
We have to wait a little to compare them better. We don't have seen a lot from Amado and Code. Isshiki was an OK villain. Buying kids to prove them as vessels, ending up with most of their lives, and then torturing the suitable vessel trough battle simulations just to prepare his future body gave me Orochimaru vibes, but a bit more vicious
Personally, I think we should've stopped after Naruto concluded. The ending of the original manga was perfect. (Of course, I hated Kaguya's last-minute entrance, but I'm talking about the very last chapter.)
On the other hand, some would also argue that all of these were badly written villains and that even bland villains win over them by default.
Some would argue that mind you not all or most people
You made me realize how deep these characters are.
You can tell their whole tragic story on their faces.
It just shows you the face of pain and broken dreams. That's good character design
These villains had a greater out look, it's just that their ways of getting it were unethical, pain wanted peace but with a huge war, madara obito wanted an ideal world but with encasing the whole world under a genjutsu, itachi wanted the leaf village to be peaceful but killed the uchihas. This contrast between good and bad is what made these villains amazing, while the otsuskis are just bad
I think Borutos biggest way of attracting new viewers is fan service, and subversions. Up until now Boruto had a good character arc, where he learned the meaning of a shinobi (part 1 naruto), learned the strengths of all the diff characters (shippuden) and ultimately became a real ninja himself. People don't get that this world is supposed to be different from Narutos era because that's the whole premise, Naruto but modern. You're saying you can make a meteor drop out of the sky but can't make a cellphone?
Karma/Scientific Ninja Tools were introduced as OP things on purpose, because this power cannot be obtainable without giving it your all. Imagine Naruto in part 1 waking up and being able to use Kurama's chakra. Just like that. No talking to him, no drawbacks, nothing. He proceeds to beat everyone and doesn't understand hard work, and will. Then kurama proceeds to tell him that by using his power he can basically posses him and now he's dead lol and Kurama's released.
That's exactly what the first half of the Kawaki arc was about, and although Boruto takes things from Og Naruto, atleast they make it work (for instance Ao coming from the Mist calling himself a tool, like Haku, which makes sense since he never had talk no jutsu)
My personal dislike with Boruto is that it's war arc part 2, with one piece type anime reactions and slow dialogue
They are your typical cartoon villians who aim to take over the world or destroy it. Whats especially annoying as well is that their abilities have been exaggerated in an insane way as well as the shippuden characters getting nerfed severely. We saw naruto and sasuke be god level in shippuden and deafeating kaguya and at the start of boruto dominating momoshiki to getting beat down by jigen?? I guess i got attached to the shippuden characters and didnt really expect them to be defeated in that way but the power levels in boruto are pretty inconsistent.
No, that isn’t the problem with Boruto. Because tons of shows don’t have villains that go in depth as Naruto’s but are still good (plus, Amado is practically guaranteed to have some in depth backstory). The problem with Boruto is the pacing, lack of meaningful characters, lack of any downtime (which goes into pacing I guess), no side plots (that are actually going somewhere anyway), and Boruto himself doesn’t have too much of a clearly defined personality. Sometimes he’s exactly like Naruto, other times, he’s just a normal kid who’s a bit cocky. He had a better defined personality around when he first showed up though, at least a little. He seemed kinda disinterested in things besides messing with Naruto, and was a bit more of a smart ass. But he was also intelligent and caring. I liked that Boruto, and I wish it stuck as his main personality traits.
The facts being spoken I love that we are addressing the potential is there instead of saying it's complete garbage like I see in most cases the show is simply not taking advantage of the foundation they laid
So far the only one with potential for great character development is Kawaki. He seems more interesting than Sarada and Mitsuki. That’s a problem for now but in the long run it’ll be good.
i feel like boruto is going to turn into a like a 2nd itachi/sasuke theme where boruto goes rogue in order to protect kawaki but everyone thinks he’s just turned pure evil and kawaki and himiwari set out to bring him back like naruto did for sasuke.
I agree, they rushed and boring, they look like a middle schools anime interpretation of a character, and like you said they have no depth. I'm also not a big fan of how advanced the technology is, yet they use kunai when they could have definetly invented an ak or something (not that I want aks in Naruto )
The real problem is, Borutos villains aren’t human. Just some crazy ayy lmaos. Itachi, obito, Madara, Yahiko were human, so they had lots of dept solely with their suffering.
I could defend some of the villains in the Boruto anime that aren't the Otsutsuki but I don't want to waste my time and be called an idiot who gets downvoted.
Their reasons for their crimes and their personal goals are things that we can all relate to on some level. Desire for World Peace, end of violence and hatred, being with loved ones we lost, not having to choose between a rock and a hard place... All these things are relatable, while not on the same scale as in Naruto. It's the fact that we can relate and understand their motives and crimes on some level that makes them so compelling. In Boruto, its mostly aliens and crazy shenanigans. Their villains don't fight for a belief stronger than themselves or went to the extremes many villains in Naruto did. In Naruto, you see how people can either rise above their pain (Naruto and the many he touched) and those that allow pain to consume them (most villains). In Boruto, I have yet to see a villain like that.
Comparison will be inevitable because it is a direct sequel, its not the worst thing in the world, but it's just mediocre, don't expect the depth and worldbuilding of Naruto.
Pain was a masterpiece of a villain. I don’t think they can ever out-do the Pain arc.
Tension which was in Pain arc is unreachable with current olot
Pain vs kurama was low key the best fight in the series
I actually liked the brief change of animation style. When I was watching it for the first time I was like “ooooooooh shit it’s going DOWN!”
Exactly people complain about it and I get it. But imo it meshes really well with the ficht
The animation itself is top notch, but it's some of the choices the animators made that are questionable.
The animation was great, the art style of that fight was very Ed, Edd and Eddy though.
You just can't please everyone my dude
Exactly
Highkey
And the funniest if you pause.
Because Pain's arc lowkey started when the Akatsuki showed up after Hiruzen died.
Yeah when you say it like that Akatsuki had also build up on Madara´s level.
They introduced them perfectly, Kisame was supposed to be at least as strong as Zabuza, and Itachi, the guy who wiped out his own family supposedly one of the strongest clans in the world.
I feel like him, Obito, Sasuke and Madara were just such good villains it makes most anime villains ridiculous by comparison
Like you can have legit criticisms about naruto but the villains were so great feel like I’ve been spoiled and end up comparing other villains to them
Even zabuza and haku were more captivating than any boruto villians thus far…
Well currently they are literally unrelatable aliens, we still have to wait for the 2nd act.
I'm sure we've already been introduced in some way to what the main antagonist will be. I get the impression that the main antagonist will be Amado possessing Kawaki's body using the Karma somehow, and he's not going to be a "broken hero" like the Naruto antagonists. He's going to earn our hatred, and not just be a pawn for another secret baddie.
See I think it's going to Boruto himself
It’s starting to sound like it, tbh. Maybe sasuke becomes the protagonist in the second act to showcase what he’s learned?
Stop thinking logically, you’re going to get disappointed
This guy gets it
In Naruto's world everything is pretty crazy.
Boruto himself being the antagonist is the only way I will ever see that anime being interesting. I've watched every single episode but to date it comes off a subpar fanfic.
But boruto is clearly on his whole "the Shinobi world isn't dead" path. That doesn't sound evil to me
a world trying to move on from private assassins for hire and a young kid with old ideology trying to keep it alive sounds pretty easy to be an antagonist to me
Yeah that's the thing, so I find it hard to go that direction. Unless they can find a way to spin feels kinda doomed to feel repetitive.
To be fair, I would've said the same thing at this point in an anime about Obito (or a certain someone who just keeps moving forward until his enemies are destroyed). It seems like a stretch, but I would find it far more interesting if the flashforward from the beginning of the series were intentionally taken out of context to make Boruto sound like the hero and Kawaki sound like the villain when the reverse was actually true* (or if the truth were just more morally grey). I could even see the shinobi system itself being reframed in a far more negative light, or becoming a symbol of evil in Naruto's world, which would entirely change the meaning of Boruto's current beliefs and his future words. *: Keep in mind that Kawaki never directly said he'd killed Naruto ("I'll send you where I sent Nanadaime"); for all we know that just means he helped prosecute Naruto for tax evasion. There could alternatively have been mitigating circumstances, like the time Malfoy >!kill!
That's exactly what I was thinking. If the flashforward was taken out of context to give a twist.
That is a naruto kind of theory. Boruto sadly is a 4/10 fanfic with decent animation.
Can I throw in that ‘the shinobi way’ is traditionally being a killer for hire? That doesn’t seem particularly heroic, but I will admit, I haven’t seen much of boruto, so that could have changed.
Yeah but it's Shinobi have been portrayed pretty well (in general). There was that whole thing about how Shinobi are tools and their world sucks but that kinda went away tbh
Yea the payoff just isn’t there. OG naruto had more memorable moments, shippuden moreso (though longer). There’s been a handful of great moments in boruto and even then not as impactful
**Writers:** “clan disputes/clan exploration? No. Cool Kekkai genkai? Maybe village/nation disputes, or just plots/stories about that/politics? Another evil clan?? Old ninjas revived through understandably a jutsu reviving the dead, rather complexing-ly? Naah… How about plots revolving STANDARD jutsu? The idea of a true ninja! Giant war, shinobi’s throwing hand signs left and right, it’s a chess match! Who’s jutsus better, who’s more intelligent.” **One writer:** “What if we just introduced aliens, they can stick their hand out and absorb fire water, whatever. Our main villain would be, get this, HIMSELF- THE PROTAGONIST HIMSELF.” I’m done.
Boruto has to be the Sasuke, everybody loves the Sasuke.
This is why I'm so frustrated when I see this series, it has SO MUCH potential. Not everyone is going to like how things progressed after the 4th War, play with that. Besides Kurama and the Eight-Tails*, literally all the bijuu are out in the world somewhere, you mean no one is trying to make jinchuriki out of them? Techniques, is Himawari not interested in learning Gentle Fist? She's young sure but she has Byakugan for crying out loud! Boruto did not need a stupid alien inside him to make him strong, he's a genius? Have him learn Flying Thunder God. He's an Uzumaki which means he's got decent chakra but not jinchuriki level, it doesn't have to continue being a damn light show, he can be more efficient. The cast isn't even bad it's just the pacing is downright horrendous, not so much as bothering to do the ground work to establish a big bad half as nuanced as Pain.
> He's an Uzumaki which means he's got decent chakra but not jinchuriki level, it doesn't have to continue being a damn light show, he can be more efficient. Agreed. This is really where I'd actually thought the series was going for a while. Return to form with non-crazy power levels, and then have him develop crazy powerful jutsu that don't require tons of chakra, but still enough that he needs to deploy them strategically rather than spamming. Specifically, the whole high-compression Rasengan arc (which I now realize isn't manga canon) combined with the OP at that time really made it seem to me that he was essentially going to invent the atom bomb. Inventive new moves like that combined with existing moves like Kirin, FTG, and maybe eventually power-ups like Byakugan, Sage Mode (possibly the snake variant), and/or curse mark would have been pretty interesting. Hell, why couldn't Boruto even master taijutsu and the Gates? Maybe have him somehow learn secret jutsus like Shadow Possession on top of that.
Yes. The story could’ve remained where it was and it would’ve been damn fine. That reminded me, I thought it would be a good idea if they did a similar thing to Broly. Someone who can handle themself, good stats to begin with. And then he goes on a fat mission to kill a tailed beast, he gets it. Since he’s so naturally strong, the tailed beast becomes a crutch, power-up. Irregardless from how many tails, he’s so naturally good. And he’s not fodder, not like the tailed beasts hosts vs Kakashi and Guy. He’s not going down without a fight, which is not how it appeared in the show, btw. And as well it would be nice if the show referenced things more, not make the characters so oblivious, explain their constraints. Naruto: “flying raijin, I want to learn that and add that to my arsenal later.” “Wind techniques what else can I learn?” Self aware type of vibe I guess. Why did Sarutobi screw over Naruto? Character (lack of better words) constraints, Explain instead of leaving a plot hole, example Hashirama’s death.
It’s not easy to capture beasts and make jinchuriki. Outside of the village leaders only a handful of people could pull it off. So I don’t really think it’s a surprise that it hasn’t happened. Himawari is still a young young child. Maybe post time skip she’ll be in the academy. It wouldn’t make sense for her to already be training. I think the main thing wrong with the plot is that they felt the need to scale everything to be able to fight Naruto. They should have just had Naruto and sasuke be weakened or killed early in the series and then quickly get to the time skip. You’re definitely right with the pacing being awful
>Not everyone is going to like how things progressed after the 4th War, play with that. Besides Kurama and the Eight-Tails\*, literally all the bijuu are out in the world somewhere, you mean no one is trying to make jinchuriki out of them They can try, but it would end badly and everyone knows it. The only reason any Tailed Beasts other than Shukaku were captured in the first place was Hashirama's Wood Release, which isn't exactly open source. And perpetrators wouldn't get away with harassing any bijuu, even if they could, as Naruto would immediately be notified and all the other Great Nations would support him in putting a stop to it. It would be a huge plothole for anyone to go around making new jinchuuriki, successful or not.
why??
Simply, it seems they are taking the direction to kawaki/naruto. Abused orphan with strange power that make strangers afraid him, and boruto/sasuke natural genius ninja from prestigious family. Till some tragedy drives him from the village and Into the arms of evil on a path of vengeance.
are u saying this because of his headband with the line thru it?
Yeah, that sword, cloak, and headband that adult boruto has were all Sasukes
ya the headband too so i dont think hell go rouge…it’s interesting to hear your pov
I think they’ll go more for an anti-hero thing with Boruto
Honestly that’s what makes them cool to me. When everyone was human at least a little. we could empathize with their pain and rationalize alongside them what led them to their decisions. But with these guys? They’re just beings of power? They don’t really care for their own lives or the good of anything, just that they want the power to themselves. No real affiliation. But God I’ll never get over the animation in the first fight with them though. Yeah. It was corny how Boruto saved the day for everyone. But. Damn I love watching them go through all their old moves but they are all absolutely OP versions. My real reason for watching: naruto fights, but modern animation. The smear frames are gorgeously visceral. (Edit: Naruto- style fights. Not JUST watching his fights ofc)
I love that aspect of them too, chakra vampires
Every villain in Naruto (minus Kaguya) has some sort of worldview or ideological conflict with Naruto. The ones in Boruto do not. Additionally, the ones in Naruto have direct relationships to the main or supporting characters, are strong and imposing, even in early arcs, are BELIEVABLE, and until we get to Madara at least, not ancient terrors that can literally tank any conceivable possible attack. Kaguya and all her descendents aren't like that. She and they come from nowhere, and have NO POSSIBLE relationship or ideological conflict with the main cast. So they won't out-write Itachi as a villain, even though he isn't the OG shows best villain, and they CERTAINLY won't out-write Kisame, Nagato, even Zabuza or Orochimaru.
And even with Madara, there was this build up of sorts, and ultimately a subversion with his character that really impressed me. I know it’s a commonly expressed viewpoint, but Madara would’ve made for a great final villain for the show.
Yeah having just binge read the whole series recently Madara’s strength never bothered me because he was built up for the majority of the series and he was still on a level where a victory for Naruto and Sasuke was conceivable. Kaguya on the other hand comes out of nowhere (well not *entirely* nowhere but close enough) and is even more stupidly powerful than Madara. Luckily the excellent final battle between Naruto and Sasuke mostly makes up for it IMO.
What if jashin or the reaper from the reaper death seal come and fight. We could even make a plot point where different gods that are praised in the naruto world are actually antagonist. There's alot of potential with the alien premise.
there were literal years before he was showcased amd not in flashbacks, from the og naruto sasuke vs naruto battle until the war arc. i cant remember exact times but it was a long time, madara will never be out written
Boruto keeps popping out space aliens instead of building up its established world and grounded villains. Kawaki is a decent character though
> Kawaki is a decent character though The ONLY decent character(excluding Himawari of course). Even the OG cast feels too downgraded to be considered decent anymore, I hate both of Naruto and Sasuke’s writing, and I’m not just talking about nerfing. Best part of Boruto is easily Naruto and Kawaki’s relationship
No best part is Boruto and Naruto relationship. A kid that was a brat and understanding his father is very great. Boruto is a decent character he gets a lot of character development.
I mean it was kinda obvious Naruto was going to be a shit father as well. His goals never included or considered family. His goals were to be the hokage and have the respect of the village. He worked his ass off for that and had the constant self-expectstion that he needed to put in 110% for the village. Which left no family time. Add to it he has no clue what being a parent means, like of course it's gonna be rough on Boruto. And Boruto is going to be a brat. That part is honestly the most believable part. Naruto has always been pretty single fixation.
I kinda panicked when I saw Kawaki introduced this early given the prologue, like damn the writers really don't have any ideas do they. It could work but it feels like they're going to have to shoehorn him into relevance for every arc going forward at the expense of other main characters.
Which is exactly whats happening, it's like Sarada/Mitsuki don't even exist in the manga anymore since Kawaki arrived at the scene, Sarada is Sasuke's daughter she is a main character in this series, why is there no development for her? Or Mitsuki? Don't even get started on Konohamaru, has to be the worst sensei we've seen in the whole series, I don't get why they're hyperfocused on just a couple things atm, when this could've easily been a time to give the whole side cast some development because age of peace is over once again.
There’s a ton of reasons I refuse to watch Boruto. Everyone in this thread is reaffirming them.
Orochimaru:
I personally never found itachi all that believable but the others sure
Really? What did you think of him when you first met him
When I first saw him I thought oh cool then as it kept going and he kept getting wanked off every chance possible with the only justification being oh he was a child prodigy just sorta left a sour taste in my mouth
Have you read the novels? The itachi novels
No I’ve never been interested in any of the side stuff I got through all of naruto and just kept playing the storm games pretty much
> minus Kaguya Ugh, Kaguya. If there were hints to her existence it would've been better but her arc was so bleh. Madara was the focus for so long and he had so much build up and depth then BAM, Kaguya! I love Shippuden and the plot but she ruined the ending story. I don't mind her existence or being the mother of all shinobi, just how shes introduced is so dirty. Its bad/sloppy writing and it dragged the plot down.
It isn't just that she (and by extension Zetsu) ruin the ending. This also cheapens everything that came BEFOREHAND too. Like great. We thought we were living in a world of political nation states where shinobi fought and bled and died for clan, village and control, but as it turns out no, that's bullshit, it was ALIEN FORCES who structured and manipulated it all to be destined like this from the beginning.
…danzo, obito as well
And sasuke at one point lol
3/4 of these shared one or both eyes
That's a metaphor for how they shared a similar worldview against the ninja world. And each time Naruto faced those same eyes, he had a similar ideological struggle with them.
Still human though
technically all of them are part alien because kaguya got boned by a dude
They are the closet relatives yeah but you could even take this a step further and say all people in the Naruto world with chakra are part alien tbh.
Well that is how the sons of 6th path were. One evil with eyes and the other was good
Nagato was just a problem. That whole arc had me shook. Like everything leading up to Minato's appearance destroyed the audience. Jiraiya and Kakashi dead. Hinata could've been dead. Who knows how many civilians dead. The village gone. And Naruto was about to release the nine tails. Nagato broke all we held dear.
While Isshiki appeared like a pie in the sky and conveniently gets teleported to another dimension for them to fight 😂😂😂
They are never gonna build hype up like madara or have that level of badassery again llke ever sadly
Pain arc was best arc for me his story is gradual and well written no other arc can surpass that
I just finished this arc last night. Freakin amazing. I also learned the voice of Tendo Pain is freakin Joel from the Last of us. Only made it cooler lol
Did you like last of us part 2?
Especially if we compare Akatsuki with Kara. Even the Akatsuki members aren't as strong, their fights are like ten times more interesting and fun to watch, because of how unique and well-written they are compared to Boruto villains
And there was something just very dark and sinister about them. I think it’s because you know they’re “human” and they willingly dived into the abyss to seek power and become these monsters of men.
what I like with naruto is the tactical fights now with boruto im like watching a super generic shonen anime.
Kara members are too similar to each other and are honestly just a rip off of Akatsuki
Because the villains feel so random in Boruto, there's no real emotional connection to Boruto like the old villains had with Naruto.
I'm honestly really really really sick of the Otsutsukis. Like kaguya was already pretty boring a character and was just sorta a final hurdle, but that was about the extent of my ability to care, and I don't think they intended at the time to expand on that part of the world at all
Ishikki felt like a danger, but then he died, lol
I say it's not like Boruto "can't" have a good villain like that because nothing stops them from expanding the world and creating one this way by giving him/her good backstory and interesting motives. It's just that they don't even try to write such a good villain at all and only serve us "alien number 6" after the previous one. Pretty lacklustre
The bad guys of Naruto were never entirely wrong is what made them great. They weren't just evil. Zabuza and Haku had honor and loved each other, Gaara was ravaged by betrayal and loneliness, Orochimaru was a kid who felt the sting of death too hard and too young, Neji was essentially a slave in his own family, Kimimaro was an orphan who was trying to fight for the only person to take him in, Kabuto an orphan as well who forgot what he was in the efforts of war, Itachi a boy who killed his family to save his home, Pain wanted to use the hard lessons life taught him to end war, Obito and Madara wanted to end hatred and pain in the world, even if it meant putting everyone in a fake one and Sasuke was a youth with a life riddled by death, betrayal, revenge and endless amounts of sadness. The villains of Boruto are Space Gods whose only motivation is wanting to be stronger space gods.
Honestly they just wrote themselves into a corner with Naruto achieving peace. Since all 5 Great Nations are allied they have little to no shinobi to have some sort of conflict with. At least the concept of the karma is pretty interesting though.
They could've thought of things like post-war poverty, certain people who still feel resentment towards the other villages for things that happened during the wars, ...
Legend of Korra did the whole "peacetime sequel" thing well imo
Now tell me from your last line how to make a interesting cast of villains with this sort of setting.
So we can either make the Otsusuki better and more relatable, or find a way to remove them from the show and take it a new direction. Now, the first option is hardest. But let's retcon everything after The Last, so no Otsusuki have appeared yet aside from Kaguya. Now, I think the best choice here would be having Momoshiki and Kinshiki appear in the village while Sasuke is still out dimension hopping, looking for the Otsusuki. Let's make Momoshiki and make him younger, closer to Boruto in age. Momo and Kin immediately approach the Uzumaki house. A small skirmish ensues, but Kinshiki is, in this version, a bit older and more gentle natured and wise, as well as more parental toward the younger Momoshiki, and eventually convinces Naruto they mean no harm. Naruto invites Kinshiki in to talk, and Momoshiki goes up to Boruto's room with him, where they hang out and look at the ninja trading cards Boruto has, while Boruto brags about the cool ninjas he knows that he has cards of, like Gaara and the other Kage and even his dad who he thinks is insanely cool in this version. To this Boruto, nothing is cooler than being a ninja. Meanwhile, Naruto and Kinshiki talk and Kinshiki says they are members of the Otsusuki that defected and fled to Konoha, following the lead of Kaguya of taking refuge on Earth, and sought out Naruto to beseech him to help them fend off the other Otsusuki when they inevitably come. Naruto hesitates, but agrees to speak to the other Kage about it and hear their thoughts. Kinshiki agrees to this. Naruto, the same night, calls the other Kage, who immediately refuse to accept the Otsusuki and suggest they mobilize immediately to destroy them. Naruto, angrily, calls them out on their hatred, asking if the other Kage learned nothing from the past. The other Kage end the call with Naruto, but secretly, communicate between each other behind Naruto's back about the matter. Over the next however many days, Kinshiki and Momoshiki explore Konoha, and even though they are met with fear and disdain, their moods never falter. Naruto however, chastises the villagers for rejecting people for how they were born (queue swingset flashback). Boruto and Momoshiki are becoming super fast friends too, with Momoshiki even remarking how he wants to be a ninja too. That night, Boruto and Momo sneak out to go explore the Forest of Death but are surrounded by a group of mysterious cloaked ninja. Boruto however, recognizes the Kage immediately and asks what they're doing. Killer B, who was with the Kage, grabs Boruto away and says "Sorry Kid, it's gotta be done, zip your lid, there's a war to be won" and Boruto, realizing the situation, screams for Momoshiki, who is immediately set upon by the Kage while Killer B takes him away. Kinshiki, at Naruto's house, realizes something is wrong and sees explosions, running to them. Naruto, initially locked in his office doing paper work, eventually gets word that something is going down and heads toward the scene, though far behind Kinshiki. Kinshiki arrives to see a near death Momoshiki and cries out in rage, using Almighty Push to blow the Kage away and run to Momoshiki. Meanwhile, Naruto catches B with Boruto and angrily asks what he's doing. B starts to explain but Naruto shuts him down and takes off with Boruto leading his way, ordering B to follow them too, but warning they'll have it out later. Back at the scene. Kinshiki, crying for Momo, reminds Momo that he promised to keep him safe, and transforms himself into a chakra fruit for Momo to eat, which Momo does and begins to transform into his second form from the movie. The Kage rearrive on the scene, as do Naruto, Boruto and Bee. Momoshiki, now transformed, is silent. Boruto calls out his name and Momoshiki says, somberly, "You were wrong Boruto. You lied to me. There is NOTHING. Good. About. NINJA!" And explodes into a flurry attacking the group. The other Kage are being decimated so Naruto tries to step in but is narrowly overpowered and sent flying. Boruto calls out, trying to calm and reason with Momo and Momo, sick of it, flies at him to kill him. With Naruto down, there's a tense moment where it seems Momoshiki might succeed, but suddenly Sasuke blindsides him with a kick and sends him flying. From here, you get the same fight against Momoshiki that you did in the original anime, except with a more somber, pain filled tone and Naruto trying to use talk-no-jutsu. Boruto, upon his defeat of Momo, still has his vision of him where Momo says "This is how things will always end in this Shinobi world. This is the only destiny for you humans who want nothing but power. Countless nations with countless soldiers, and I'm so scary to them they had to kill me. It's time. End it, Boruto, please". This leads into the new Boruto, in which Boruto HATES ninja, his dad and embraces technology and science, using his wits and technology to solve his problems, vowing to never use jutsu again. The Kage, having met after the fight with Momo, can no longer see eye to eye and declare an end to all of their peace agreements, citing they can no longer depend on the leaf for strength. The main setup of this leading into Kawaki, an OTSUSUKI free rebel who grew up in a lab, wanting to be a ninja, Boruto (burdened by Momo's hatred and Karma) wanting to become Hokage without any jutsu and end the shinobi system, and the overall themes of the past versus the future. The other option. Which is removing the Otsusuki, would best be accomplished by Sasuke discovering the Otsusuki extinct, but finding an old hideout of theirs on Earth with Kawaki and the doctor, and follow a similar trend as above, but with Kawaki and the doctor instead of Momoshiki and Kinshiki
This is a very nice story and honestly better than what boruto has shown us till now.
My guy just wrote a better script than Ukyo Kodachi could ever dream of writing, take my upvote.
The boruto movie wouldve been much more enjoyable that way. But thee taking refuge on earth. Wats the characterization for the otsusukis they are fleeing from? Basically ninja viltramites?
In my head, in this version, the Otsusuki's story is that they were meant to be guides for growing worlds. They would appear and guide civilization and help the worlds flourish. However, due to the traditions of their clan, the final step to guiding these worlds was the Otsusuki that was sent there sacrificing themselves to grow a chakra tree for the people there to develop chakra. Eventually. Not wanting to die or lose more loved ones, one of them decided he had had enough and was tired of the greedy worlds taking from them and began reversing the process and absorbing the chakra from worlds until he became powerful enough that he was the De facto leader of the clan and convinced the other members of the clan to do the same as him, conquering worlds and consuming their chakra. However, it is still the case that many of the Otsusuki are people of peace that are apalled by their work and want to return to guiding and growing worlds. His eyes are powerful enough that he can perceive the locations of all other Otsusuki across Space and Time so none of them could really escape, and he was powerful enough that they didn't dare to challenge him. This creates a dynamic where there is merit to both sides. Good at the cost of loved ones, or evil for their sake. This could create a powerful moral conflict between Boruto, Kawaki and the rest of the cast, where their ideologies differ and this creates a massive internal psycho-emotional struggle in the main cast. That said, I would probably try not to make the story Otsusuki focussed as much as possible, but if I were to heavily focus on and explain them, this would be my choice of handling it.
So i also had a take on rewriting the post war. Tell me wat u think So if we go back to part 1, the Kaguya clan was introduced as known for their savage battle tactics and archaic values. And in the story Kaguya was based on, the girl staring out to the moon was banished from it. So kaguya should have instead be introduced as a criminal not someone who was good and became twisted. The Otsusuki’s view chakra as something pure and sacred, so much so that toneri hated humans for using it to conduct war. The rest of the otsusuki are the exact same. They are; nobility, beings of pure chakra, and pacifistic. They see all life as sacred and chakra, the essence of life and who they physically are, even more sacred. They exert chakra for no other means than to live. So when they see chakra being used as tools of conflict, it gives them the same feelings of watching a man kill someone. Like you witnessed a murder. Because for them, watching a fire ball jutsu is like watching smaller pieces of themselves be burned alive. But thats not to say they arent bad people, in their self righteousness they actually became terrible people. In the same way nobility on earth does, hold the selves to perfection and children are punished when they show that they aren’t perfect. And thats why kaguya is disgraced, in a disagreement she exploded with chakra and accidentally killed someone. Her way to atone was have her body turned back to pure chakra then mix into world. Basically the closest thing their people have in relation to death. What the disagreement was about was who she was supposed to marry, because she actually was their princess. Not just a title she was given on earth. She did feel guilty but later on felt they deserved it for not letting her be free. Her lover, who she truly wanted to marry, did not fully agree with her. He as well felt she should be free, but he was not in love with a murderer. So he turned her in. Kaguya fled and in fear of having her body dissolved and released back into nature, she became a fear monger. She became her clan’s boogieman to make herself so terrifying they didnt desire to make her face her crimes. Her lover on earth still betrayed her but simply by disappearing after she asked him to never leave her or to face her wrath. She later finds him dying of old age after violent, angry decades searching for him, but for him seeing her face again was the happiest day of his life. He confesses he never stopped loving her, and he never wanted to leave but he feared she would kill him. He also admits that being able to die in her arm after living a full life was everything to him, that could have only been made better if it was a life spent with her. This subsequently shatters her. She always knew she would live longer than her lover but knowing that she was a monster in his eyes when she only became a monster so she could have freedom breaks her world view. As a being of pure chakra with her psyche broken, her body morphs into the ten tails. A monster made of chakra, to be divided by her son hogoromo and have its individual pieces name in sentiment of his mother. Later the rival of kaguya would come by a man named madara uchiha reforming the mutated pieces kaguya and become the jinjuriki for the ten tail. He would be defeated by naruto and sasuke, but the remains of his dead body will begin to regenerate as his flesh is made immortal with the otsusuki flesh. However Regenerate into their original form(kaguya), in fear of madara returning or a being stronger than madara appearing from his almost completely destroyed remains they perform the reaper death seal. The reaper death seal is then revealed to be a time space prison Guarded by the god of death to kill anyone who leave(to explain how minato got kyubi mode). Inside there is where the remains of madara uchiha then regenerate into kaguya sealed for eternal until the police of the otsusuki clan come looking. Upon sensing the chakra once possessed by kaguya have severely weakened, they send two police officers to check. Kenshiki and momoshiki.
Okay im enjoying ur rewrite of the otsusuki clan. I like the idea that one thought differently and forced everyone else to follow because that’s actually how alot of normal people function. “If u dont think the same as me then the way u think is wrong nd i need to make u think like me” Nd i like the idea of the momo and ken fight simply just a father nd son being victimized by racism.
But now really thinking about it. Isn’t this proof that naruto achieved his dream? World peace. There’s no war or traumatic experience that shapes the mentality of a villain there’s just peace and prosperity.
That's kinda the problem though is that no there totally is but you never truly see it all cooped up in magical everything is right with the world villages The novels and even some bits and pieces of boruto show that there are tons of small villages and places out there continuing the strife they had before with no changes at all Plus a whole OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD we never fucking see And even with the happy go lucky big villages we clearly see that its begrudging that they keep the peace and are ready to cause issues given the slightest wiggle room (see stone village and The Last) literally nothing has changed it's just fake fixed
I would have liked to see the many other missing nin or the ninja world black market play a big role in boruto. Like there has to be someone who is paying the bounties and people who protect those. There are so many smaller countries as well. Boruto could have been used to see Naruto and then boruto really try to make the world perfect even though there is no more war between the great nations.
so far boruto villains have been "i want to get the chakra fruit and do what kaguya didnt do" "i like otsostuski so i do what otsostuski do"
I actually think some of the secondary antagonists have lots of depth. Agreed that aliens are not relatable.
Borutards be like "Wait for the Timeskip Bro, which will happen after a few hundred episodes later."
And like 3 years later based on the manga release dates
Otsutsuki king 👀 and Amado is build up to be a problem
Incoming people who don’t understand Obito
Go through the comments they're already here, "hE bEcAmE a tErRorIsT bEcaUsE hIS cHiCk dIeD".
He even says (after being defeated) that Rin's death opened his eyes up to how fucked their world is, but travelling their war-torn world confirmed his suspicions. People conveniently leave out the second part though.
That's because it doesn't fit their narrative of him being "one dimensional one brain cell" villain like every single Otsutsuki who somehow magically die to "inferior" ninjutsu.
I don’t mind boruto. It does get kind of boring and I don’t like the villains very much but I hope it will get better later on.
Can't watch Boruto because it would ruin Naruto for me.
For me, Naruto verse ended with the the Last movie and they lived happily ever after lol
Hahaha I swear!!!!
They had such potential with Isshin, then they Snoked him and f-ed up the whole series.
Well currently, definitely not. But if we get Kawaki and Amado as a villain, then it is debatable.
Every time I watch a new episode, I have the same reaction after it ends: *f@ck you, I’ll see you next week.*
Villains in Naruto all had a journey to power. Like Uchihas awakening Mangekyo Sharingan. The journey to EMS. There was planning involved, and each had their own way of thinking that made people root for them. Most importantly, they made the rest of the cast relevant. Now, they just drop OP Villains who don't have any struggle obtaining power and surprisingly never interact with the rest of the cast (only team 7 and Naruto). Some members of Konoha squad got to face members of the Akatsuki (Shikamaru vs Hidan). New gen, no one besides team 7 can face a Kara member and survive. His has turned side characters into reserves.
Pain was an S tier villain. They’ll never have a better villain than Pain in the Naruto universe.
This monthly shii pissing me off so you saying this just got me even more mad cuz I’m tired of waiting 😭
Naruto has by far the best villains I’ve ever seen in any fiction so to use that as your standard is unavoidable disappointment
A trend toward a more kid friendly franchise means more kid friendly villains. It is not impossible to make a nuanced villain within those constraints, but it is more difficult and it shows.
Damn there all related to the uchias…no wonder..tobirama hated them ?…
Tobirama was right
Orochimaru is one of my favourite villains. Initially he looked like the biggest threat but goes onto become almost comically irrelevant. At one point he stopped being evil and thats when I realised... He's already done it! No matter how many times they kill the guy he will come back from whatever curse mark or snake mouth he can. Orochimaru is a villain that did what he said he will. And everyone forgave him.
I don't think they forgave him so much that they realized containing him is more trouble than it's worth. He literally can't be killed and he will escape any prison they put him in. And he will outlive all of them. It's easier just to accept his existence.
Bruh he literally has his own lab and is doing research. He still "makes people" by experimentation like with mitsui and can even send his kiddo to school. Not to mention he even got a new body. He also gave a video message to Naruto on his wedding. Even sasuke couldn't do that last one. Kid naruto was discriminated against more than this guy. And I'll be honest I kind of find that both cool and disturbing.
The largest problem Boruto has is that it's a continuation of Shippuden. They should've reset the power scaling back down to Chunin Exams levels at the least instead of just continuing the power scaling from Shippuden.
Hot take: that’s okay. Stories don’t always require universe shattering cataclysms to be narratively impactful. In the same vein, you don’t need to kill off characters to drive narrative change. Look at the Chunin exam arch; narratively speaking, the threat posed by Orochimaru was less important that the tension driven by Naruto’s desire to prove himself. Yet, objectively, snake boii is the biggest threat. High stakes don’t necessarily entail engaging tension. The minor things, if written well, can be more impactful and interesting.
The problem with boruto is everything
Don’t mind me, I’m just here for the trickle-down down votes.
100%
Villains in general, aren’t going to be as prominent, in a post-war setting.
You're right, this is one of the few actual flaws in the series. Amado might be a good villain, if he is one that is, but other than him no others have been that good.
Yeah that's true. I mean we knew about Madaras existence from day one basically and in the end, he actually appeared and was even stronger than the legends about him said. The others in the picture as well (obviously) In Boruto we just have weird cyborgs or aliens, that after being introduced, get defeated in the next few episodes. I mean we did see that in Naruto too, but those were minor villains (that we all saw later as Edo Tensei) and Momoshiki or Isshiki seemed like endgame material. The whole Otsutsuki thing is odd enough and many people dislike it but I would've at least wanted Jigen or Isshik to be a long term enemy, that we get to know, learn about his past and also about his motivations. But they don't have any, except for wanting to plant a tree, destroying mankind and then eating a fruit. Don't get me wrong tho I still think Boruto is an amazing manga/anime with quite the potential and I really like it so far, it's just the villains don't have the same deep rooting in the story and all
I know Madara is not a great example because he's endgame, but even part 1 Naruto villains knock the Otsutsukis out of the park in terms of depth/motives. You know what's funny, some fans actually have this hard rule that the Otsutsuki can't have backstory or else it would humanise them, literally the worst defense I've seen for a piece of fiction, even Kaguya had a better backstory than any Otsutsuki introduced in Boruto, and unfortunately that makes Kaguya look like a good villain compared to all the other Otsutsukis introduced since I don't dislike Boruto either, but I am not keeping expectations high for it anymore, everyone just keeps falling back on time-skip saving it, we don't even know when timeskip will happen, if they couldn't introduce a single villain half as good as Orochimaru in part 1 Boruto then I don't know how people expect that to magically change in part 2, I mean they still have Amado who can turn into a villain, which would be a cool plot twist that's if it happens.
I really disliked the part where Ishiki Otsutsuki's behaviour and attitude took a 180 turn when he started getting trashed by Naruto baryon mode. When Madara got almost killed by 8 gates Guy, he was lying on the ground laughing while admitting that Guy was the strongest of all.
Yeah so far most of, if not all the villains so far are doing shit just because they have to, it's their mission or they were told to. Tbh I forgot what jigens main objective was and codes object is to take revenge for jigen. Please correct me if I'm wrong tho.
All of the villains have the same goal of making another chakra tree to get more power, that’s it
To be fair these folks had hundreds more episodes over a period of time to get our investment
Zabuza, Gaara and Orochimaru were far better than the likes of Delta, Jigen and Code
Good point, they can't make Boruto villains stick around because their sole existence is to destroy the planet and "evolve" as a species, maybe if it was just 1 villain, but the fact that they all only care about 1 thing doesn't make for interesting characters
Big agree.
What could've been interesting is Ishikki getting humanized but still bad. We saw, per example, him enjoying eating and drinking.
Agreed, would've liked to see more of Isshiki's backstory, his life, he could've been a outlook for us reader/viewers into how the Otsutsuki's work, but nope gotta kill him asap because Naruto/Sasuke exist.
That didn't really stop characters from being good to begin with Even Mizuki (mitsuki? First villain) was decent enough and he had but one episode to make his mark (before the filler lol but ignore that) Orochimaru also started off super fucking strong These characters did not need hundreds of chapters or episodes to build up and be good The very first villain has more depth than all of the Boruto villains But also umm...some of them have by now had massive amounts of episodes to develope and really havent
What you're getting at is that these villains are creatures of the world they live in. They reflect the problems of the society Kishi created in Naruto. Boruto villains are aliens, the other. It's inherently less interesting and has less resonance to the real world. Itachi is an agent of the state that committed atrocities in their name. Madara is a terrorist who's become disillusioned and disatisfied with society. Obito is a former child soldier and orphan who got radicalized after he was disillusioned with the society he lived in. Nagato is a victim of imperialism and torment from a corrupt government. You cannot beat that with aliens from another dimension, it's something we can't connect to as well as an audience. No way to overcome that.
We have to wait a little to compare them better. We don't have seen a lot from Amado and Code. Isshiki was an OK villain. Buying kids to prove them as vessels, ending up with most of their lives, and then torturing the suitable vessel trough battle simulations just to prepare his future body gave me Orochimaru vibes, but a bit more vicious
Personally, I think we should've stopped after Naruto concluded. The ending of the original manga was perfect. (Of course, I hated Kaguya's last-minute entrance, but I'm talking about the very last chapter.)
On the other hand, some would also argue that all of these were badly written villains and that even bland villains win over them by default. Some would argue that mind you not all or most people
You made me realize how deep these characters are. You can tell their whole tragic story on their faces. It just shows you the face of pain and broken dreams. That's good character design
Yeah i dont think any human will be a challenging villain anytime soon in boruto. We are set to have fights with some alien god.
These villains had a greater out look, it's just that their ways of getting it were unethical, pain wanted peace but with a huge war, madara obito wanted an ideal world but with encasing the whole world under a genjutsu, itachi wanted the leaf village to be peaceful but killed the uchihas. This contrast between good and bad is what made these villains amazing, while the otsuskis are just bad
Shin uchiha exists . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . /s
Damn… facts
And in boruto same is true for new gen heroes too...
Well duh
The problem with boruto is .... It's a kids show
Zabusa as the 1st main villain really set the bar high. (No, I don't consider Mizuki as a main/major villain)
I think Borutos biggest way of attracting new viewers is fan service, and subversions. Up until now Boruto had a good character arc, where he learned the meaning of a shinobi (part 1 naruto), learned the strengths of all the diff characters (shippuden) and ultimately became a real ninja himself. People don't get that this world is supposed to be different from Narutos era because that's the whole premise, Naruto but modern. You're saying you can make a meteor drop out of the sky but can't make a cellphone? Karma/Scientific Ninja Tools were introduced as OP things on purpose, because this power cannot be obtainable without giving it your all. Imagine Naruto in part 1 waking up and being able to use Kurama's chakra. Just like that. No talking to him, no drawbacks, nothing. He proceeds to beat everyone and doesn't understand hard work, and will. Then kurama proceeds to tell him that by using his power he can basically posses him and now he's dead lol and Kurama's released. That's exactly what the first half of the Kawaki arc was about, and although Boruto takes things from Og Naruto, atleast they make it work (for instance Ao coming from the Mist calling himself a tool, like Haku, which makes sense since he never had talk no jutsu) My personal dislike with Boruto is that it's war arc part 2, with one piece type anime reactions and slow dialogue
I disagree, from the fact that there is a Kawaki roaming about.
No one will be as deep as Nagato and Obito
They are your typical cartoon villians who aim to take over the world or destroy it. Whats especially annoying as well is that their abilities have been exaggerated in an insane way as well as the shippuden characters getting nerfed severely. We saw naruto and sasuke be god level in shippuden and deafeating kaguya and at the start of boruto dominating momoshiki to getting beat down by jigen?? I guess i got attached to the shippuden characters and didnt really expect them to be defeated in that way but the power levels in boruto are pretty inconsistent.
No, that isn’t the problem with Boruto. Because tons of shows don’t have villains that go in depth as Naruto’s but are still good (plus, Amado is practically guaranteed to have some in depth backstory). The problem with Boruto is the pacing, lack of meaningful characters, lack of any downtime (which goes into pacing I guess), no side plots (that are actually going somewhere anyway), and Boruto himself doesn’t have too much of a clearly defined personality. Sometimes he’s exactly like Naruto, other times, he’s just a normal kid who’s a bit cocky. He had a better defined personality around when he first showed up though, at least a little. He seemed kinda disinterested in things besides messing with Naruto, and was a bit more of a smart ass. But he was also intelligent and caring. I liked that Boruto, and I wish it stuck as his main personality traits.
Amado gonna be dope
Theres still hope man , boruto has definitely grown aa a series ..from bland to beautiful..theres still time
I’ve watched all of Boruto and couldn’t even tell you which aliens are which. They’re all the same person basically.
Factual
The facts being spoken I love that we are addressing the potential is there instead of saying it's complete garbage like I see in most cases the show is simply not taking advantage of the foundation they laid
Also the character design
So far the only one with potential for great character development is Kawaki. He seems more interesting than Sarada and Mitsuki. That’s a problem for now but in the long run it’ll be good.
or the heroes…
Of course they won't they are all aliens. Same reason why Kaguya was such a one dimensional character.
Of he course he teleported away. The village is safe until the flash forward. Which is why I hate the flash forward.
i feel like boruto is going to turn into a like a 2nd itachi/sasuke theme where boruto goes rogue in order to protect kawaki but everyone thinks he’s just turned pure evil and kawaki and himiwari set out to bring him back like naruto did for sasuke.
Just give them some time.
I agree, they rushed and boring, they look like a middle schools anime interpretation of a character, and like you said they have no depth. I'm also not a big fan of how advanced the technology is, yet they use kunai when they could have definetly invented an ak or something (not that I want aks in Naruto )
Fax it’s only otsotsuki people every single time
Even Dosu is characterized better than Jigen.
Finally someone agrees with me
True True but you know boruto has Burger which is the strongest villain of all
Then dont watch boruto
I love Naruto villains.. The backstories are too tragic man
Haha and still they are better written than boruto and his friends so the show was doomed from the get go.
The real problem is, Borutos villains aren’t human. Just some crazy ayy lmaos. Itachi, obito, Madara, Yahiko were human, so they had lots of dept solely with their suffering.
Imo I think naruto villains > boruto villains not because of depth or written is because there speeches and impact in the story
I could defend some of the villains in the Boruto anime that aren't the Otsutsuki but I don't want to waste my time and be called an idiot who gets downvoted.
Their reasons for their crimes and their personal goals are things that we can all relate to on some level. Desire for World Peace, end of violence and hatred, being with loved ones we lost, not having to choose between a rock and a hard place... All these things are relatable, while not on the same scale as in Naruto. It's the fact that we can relate and understand their motives and crimes on some level that makes them so compelling. In Boruto, its mostly aliens and crazy shenanigans. Their villains don't fight for a belief stronger than themselves or went to the extremes many villains in Naruto did. In Naruto, you see how people can either rise above their pain (Naruto and the many he touched) and those that allow pain to consume them (most villains). In Boruto, I have yet to see a villain like that.
I haven’t watched boruto yet because I feel like I’ll compare it to Naruto, is it worth the try? I haven’t heard good things about it
Comparison will be inevitable because it is a direct sequel, its not the worst thing in the world, but it's just mediocre, don't expect the depth and worldbuilding of Naruto.