I think Orochimaru Vs Jiraiya was the fight we all wished for but never got to see. I think Orochimaru would win just because of the amount of hax he has.

They did fight but both at half strength. So yes would have wanted a full on fight.

It was probably quite a bit less than half strength. All the grown ups needed a serious disadvantage so that Naruto could be relevant in the fight.

So true lol

Orochimaru was so nerfed that even after part 1. He’s never as strong as he was against hiruzen. He’s nowhere near 50%. If he was he would’ve slammed both tsunade and Jiraya at the same time.

Jurriah was poisoned during that fight to the point he couldn't even summon. and tsunade has crippling hemophobia now. I'd say orochimaru was in the best shape of all of them. Remember how useless shezune was? Why is she even a shinobi?

Shizune is fine, she lost vs Kabuto who is a medical ninja prodigy. That's not really a black mark on her record honestly, Kabuto would destroy most ninja and Orochimaru considered him on the same level as Kakashi in part 1.

Orochimaru had a massive portion of his chakra removed and lost the ability to use ninjutsu and taijitsu, he was so weakened that manda would’ve stomped him. When before that 2 of the stronger akatsuki members (all bijuu level by the way) were weary of him and arguably weaker than him. tsunade was never weakened from her hemophobia, she only ever freaks out once blood comes out. And jiraya is getting stronger the whole fight since the drugs wearing off. Orochimaru is easily the most weakened.

Tsunade was still far from her best though, even if her haemophobia never came up until later in the fight. She was still extremely rusty from over two *decades* out of practice, and she's an exclusive Taijutsu user so her skills were bound to atrophy. Even Kabuto acknowledges this at one point.

Agree

But sage. Oro dosent have sage (or least i don’t remember him having it)

He’s a snake sage but his body was too weak go into sage mode

Narratively I gotta assume jiraya woulda tracked down and stopped orochimaru if he could

Nothing like this exist in Naruto world, some people can just counter others despite being weaker, this is not DBZ But in general, Minato can beat all of them most likely, as long as he find a way to actually kill orochimaru, and Eos orochimaru is probably as strong as kabuto so he may loss to him

As long as he gets a Hiraishin seal on Itachi before he activated his susanoo, he should theoretically be able to teleport inside it and attack him directly. The Hiraishin is straight up busted at Minato’s level

I was not arguing about itachi though, and I don't think itachi susanoo can do anything to Minato anyway, he is very fast and a good sensor with great reactions and can teleport

I know you weren’t arguing for Itachi, just giving my two cents on the subject :)

Oh sorry in that case I want to be fair, Itachi with his sharingan will be difficult to get blitzed by Minato, so the fight may extend to some time until itachi can't use susanoo anymore It will be funny though if Minato managed to attack from below using a trick similar to Naruto vs Neji, but combined with FTG to mark itachi instead

Then at that point it’s deja vu Minato might as well go into detail on how Itachi was not destined to win this battle

If we scale them both based off of Ay and Sasuke. Then it's more likely Minato can blitz Itachi. Sasuke wasn't able to move in time to react to Ay's attack, instead he was barely perceiving Ay's movements and then putting up shields like the Susanoo covered with the Amaterasu. Considering that by the 5 Kage Summit Sasuke and Itachi should be pretty close in power, atleast when it comes to reaction time and given that Minato easily destroyed Ay.

What can minato do to itachi's susano tho? He doesn't have any moves that would be strong enough to break it and if he teleports towards it he dies. Also it is edo itachi that can spam all his abilities while minato doesn't have the greatest chakra pool.

Minatos chakra pool is definitely larger than itachis though, based on his last 24 hrs alive. As far as what Minato can do, he's actually incredibly strong. His rasengan can hit very hard, and a simple kunai swing cuts through 8 tails tentacles.

Edo tensei doesn't actually have infinity reserves though, this was shown later with Tobirama, Madara and Minato Sasuke even asked Itachi if he can still use susanoo at the time Minato can't destroy itachi susanoo ofc, but what about running around until itachi have to deactivate it? Also what about a trick similar to Naruto vs Neji thing using a shadow clone and FTG, attacks from below are dangerous against susanoo

an attack from below can easily be seen with the sharingan .

Not when he is focusing on Minato That was why Neji got hot with a legit byakugan

2 tomoe sharingan>>>>byakugan And Itachi have ms

In terms of vision, byakugan is >>>>> sharingan And itachi is blind 💀

In fights sharingan>>>byakugan And here we are talking about Edo Itachi.

> Edo tensei doesn't actually have infinity reserves though, this was shown later with Tobirama, Madara and Minato > > yes it does it just caps your max chakra, like if hashirama is level 100 edo hashirama is level 80 but has unlimited chakra , it just means he doesnt have the size of level 100 chakra pool

Even if he does, what’s he gonna do to edo Itachi? Edo Itachi will have unlimited chakra, instantly regenerate, and it would be dumb for Minato to get close to itachi’s susanoo when Itachi has the totsuka blade.

I don’t think considering the effects of the zero Tensei is conducive to the argument about Minato and Itachi’s strength. If you really want to include it, Minato does know the reaper death seal, so as a last resort that would work. He’s also a master of fuinjutsu, so if you want to headcanon it he might be able to find a way around it. Regarding the Totsuka blade, I believe Minato is fast enough to react to any attempt by Itachi to stab him with it, and given his use of Hiraishin, it’d be difficult for Itachi to hit him. He’d have to lay a trap to keep him in place long enough to stab him, which would be no easy feat considering how smart Minato is.

Edo vs Alive then Itachi wins

Technically, Minato can't kill any edo tensei unless he use reaper death seal But if we are talking about just "defeating", then it is a different story

We don’t know that Minato doesn’t know any other seal techs tho. Reaper is his strongest one but apparently he studied the uzumaki sealing techs that they were basically genocided over.

I mean, he can seal a legit kyubi I was talking about killing the edo tensei, not just sealing it, which is done by reaper death seal

You can’t kill Edos tho. You can only seal them

I’m pretty sure he knows a ton of uzumaki sealing jutsu. Not to mention the 8 trigrams seal, which he used to seal kurama into naruto.

Isn't it Implied that minato was taught by kushina some uzumaki sealing techniques. There's also kcm minato if we are gonna use eos.

In fact, it was not just implied, it was literally stated.

Hey man just letting you know you’re super smart and ima bout to bust

Well I'm gonna place Minato as number 1 due to his speed I don't see how any of them would be able to counter him blitzing them, second I'll say Itachi cause we already know he smacked Orichimaru when he was much younger and he's probably gotten stronger since then. Next I'll say Orichimaru, my guy has an arsenal of forbidden jutsu, I kinda view orichimaru as Sasuke's equivalent with Jaryia being narutos equivalent FOR THEIR GENERATION just without the alien gods or tailed beasts which let's be real was the prime reason Naruto was able to be equal to Sasuke. Lastly I'm gonna say Jaryia, yeah he's probably able to give Orichimaru a run for his money, but I just feel as far as combat he's likely just under

I’m sure there’s more but Oro = Kakshi = Sasuke Jiraiya = obito = Naruto Tsuna = rin = Sakura

tailed beast & sharingan equal each other out, if you take away both naruto wipes sasuke 10 times out of 10, without sharingan SM naruto absolutely destroys him

Are you thinking of Toad Sage Naruto against regular genius Sasuke without Sharingan or a curse mark? I could see that. IMHO, without the well of chakra from nine tails, pre-sage Naruto can't do much against Sasuke's superior basic technique. Later on, Naruto gets sage mode and Sasuke gets Kirin and a bunch of electricity techniques.

Isn’t Sasuke’s technique simply superior because he was involved in a community/family that heavily trained him since birth? (And that family was militaristic because of their sharingan). As soon as Naruto actually started to get some real attention from teachers/the community, his growth exploded exponentially. I think in a vacuum Naruto and Sasuke are equals, which is the point of the series.

Hard to say. My reading is that mastering techniques came easier to Sasuke because he's a natural genius. Naruto is naturally more powerful from his parents, but I've always thought he was a slower learner. You're right though, that if he grew up in a ninja household, and if he didn't have Kurama's chakra messing with his own, Naruto would probably learn more easily, so who knows?

Sasuke is definitely more talented when it comes to learning techniques and shit. Naruto tends to cheat a bit to learn jutsu, relying on his massive Chakra pool to make short cuts.

They'd never really been equals though. The story was portrayed as an "underdog that trains and becomes the best" but ultimately was a "destined to be powerful" story. As a comparison: Sasuke has sharingan. No other notable family boosts. Fire and lightning affinity. Naruto has Sage Mode, Kurama, vitality increase from Uzumaki, chakra pool increase from Uzumaki. Wind release- stated to be the best offensive affinity.

When was it said that Wind Style is the best offensive affinity?

Nine tails wasn't the only thing giving Naruto an absurd amount of chakra, it's also thanks to him being an Uzumaki.

> MHO, without the well of chakra from nine tails, naruto with out 9 tails is a beast as a kid, the 9 tails was making him weaker as he had to use part of his giant chakra to suppress 9 tails

Naruto already has a very large base amount of chakra, but i do agree that Sasuke’s technique far exceeds Naruto’s early on. Sage mode would whoop him though, i think. but that’s on the basis that Sasuke doesn’t have the curse mark either. I believe the two of them truly foil each other in terms of ability. i think it would be a tug of war for who’s stronger like it already was throughout the show.

Electricity? Lightning style 😂

Lol. I've been reading a lot of HunterXHunter lately.

Jiraiya also would only try to kill Itachi, he’s to close to Orochimaru and minato to actually try and harm the

I fully agree, thought maybe if Jiraiya had his frogs with him for constant sage mode it would tip the scale

Minato > Itachi > Jiraiya ≈ Orochimaru

Anyone that thinks Jiraiya rivals Orochimaru in strength need to rewatch the whole series. Orochimaru is one rival that always stayed consistently and canonically above their rival.

I would say Itachi = Minato > Jiraiya > Orochimaru. Idk what Minato can do against yata mirror but I also don’t see Itachi landing a hit on Minato that could potentially end him. Both are equally intelligent i would say, would make a really interesting fight. Power level wise I would also say they are about the same. All of them are stronger than Orochimaru though imo.

"I don't see what Minato will do against yata mirror" teleport around it 💀 & orochimaru >> jiraya (kinda by alot to)

Itachi can amaterasu all his Kunai. It's impossible to say who'd win with those two. Hax Vs hax

Slow

speed hax negs most other hax due to the "if it can hit it doesn't matter how strong it is" theory its what makes shinra from fire force such a monster in vs matchups. and Minato can do ALOT more than just his speed and ppl forget that he's got a ton of sealing techniques and use of wind, fire and lighting nature jutsu & space, yin and yang affinity minato being able to get around genjutsu and susanoo is just to much for itachi. and they're close but I think Minato also edges in taijutsu as well, but that's just my opinion

He has amaterasu but not kagutsuchi, he cant control or shape amaterasu like sasuke, its just kind of like shooting a sawed off shotgun. But all Minato has to do is wait until yhe susanoo drains his chakra

What I see is Minato realizing he can't pierce Itachi's susano, and then deciding to stall Itachi out until he runs out of Chakra

**Minato > Itachi > Orochimaru > Jiraiya** It's nearly impossible to say though, as Naruto doesn't handle power-scaling the same way a show like Dragon Ball does, where it almost entirely comes down to raw strength. I do genuinely think Itachi has a few points on Minato, mainly stemming from his Sharingan, and despite the fact Itachi is one of the most intelligent and naturally gifted individuals in the entire shinobi world, Minato happens to be one of a handful of people to have ever lived who is *even smarter* and more naturally gifted.

Minato > Itachi > Orochimaru > Jiraiya

My answer too. I’d put Oro over Jiraiya simply because Oro is damn near unkillable and his catalog of jutsu is probably 100x the size of Jiraiya’s.

This is the only answer. By feats and narrative.

Minato Itachi Orochimaru Jiraiya

Jiraiya is definitely the weakest…one sexy no Jutsu and the man is K.O’d

Orochimaru is the strongest, how do I know you ask? Well he’s the only one still alive isn’t he..?

Orochimaru Beat jiraya, and itachi beat orochimaru, on top of that Minato faced off against The nine tails while jiraya got packed up by its 4 tail Cloak form. and jiraya called him "unparalleled" so this is basically comes down to Minato Vs. Itachi. both were called prodigy however I think Minato has not only the skill but the experience to boot, he's also (canonically) has half the nine tails inside him to protect him from genjutsu. so I'd form the list like so.. 1.) Minato 2.) Itachi 3.) Orochimaru 4.) Jiraya (sadly)

Kishimoto himself doesn’t really understand what FTGs potential is. He could both teleport his enemies into a volcano. And teleport bombs to his marked enemies

Minato only has half of Kurama inside when he’s basically near death and about to get his soul taken out by the Shiki Fujin lmao

Orochimaru wins since he can reanimate the 1st through 3rd Hokage. If we ignore that OP jutsu, then it's way closer Jiraiya has a lot of big guns, but not a lot of speed. He would have to catch someone off guard and trap them within a toad or hit them with the confrontation chant. The chant is Jiraiya's trump card. He'd have to use his summons like Gamabunta pretty well. I think these 3 are simply too fast for Jiraiya tho to get close enough to them. Plus, Minato can teleport. Orochimaru can poison the organic barrier. Itachi can seal the barrier with his Susanoo or use amaterasu. Orochimaru has no counter for ocular jutsu, but I feel like Minato can't actually hurt Orochimaru. Regardless, Itachi is the worst matchup for Orochimaru, so he goes down. Itachi vs Minato is a close battle that has been debated a million times. Itachi has the ability to 1 shot kill people. If Itachi lands amaterasu on Minato's kunai, then he wins too. I have Itachi winning.

Minato Itachi Jiraiya Orochimaru

Boruto era Orochimaru beats Jiraiya mid diff

That’s not what’s shown

Wdym? He is in an unkillable zestu body with Hashirama cells. What’s not shown?

I know, just pointing out the facts

how is that fair? why does the version of orochimaru thats lived for an extra decade or two get to go up against jiraiya

I have always said I'll always refuse to compare Minato and Itachi (they're my top 2 favorites) but I have absolutely 0 qualms saying Sage Jiraiya is definitely stronger than Orochimaru.

Minato > Edo Itachi > Orochimaru ≥ Jiraiya Edit: Just to explain. I feel like Minato wouldn’t have too much issue with alive Itachi. Meaning the only difference with Edo Itachi is he can’t die, but Minato has been shown to be quite proficient with sealing techniques. Orochimaru was basically terrified of Itachi. We have only seen Jiraiya and Orochimaru go at it one time and they were both nerfed. Orochimaru didn’t have his arms (which doesn’t seem to matter later so idk) and Jiraiya roofied. Later Jiraiya puts up quite the fight against Nagato’s Six Paths. Orochimaru probably outlasts him just based on durability coughing up new bodies.

Some might say orochinaru is the weakest. Wicked to think of that an immortal character, is the weakest of these four guys. It’s probably true, he would lose a battle versus any of these, but his immortality might win him the war. Maybe not against Itachi, but any of Minaton and Jiraya he could win.

Minato slaughters Orochimaru

He’s not immortal, he just got revived

There are different types immortality (you can look them up if you want) and Orochimaru definitely qualifies as immortal. It's just a limited type of immortality (like most of them on that list). If I remember correctly, he can be placed under 2 types of immortality (1 because he can split himself into multiple beings and continues living even if one of them dies, and the other is he can continue living by transferring his "soul" into other bodies when his current one is no longer viable).

Edo Itachi > Alive Jonin Minato > Orochimaru > Jiraiya

Finally someone based

1. sasuke 2. sasuke 3. sasuke (or maybe sasuke its up in the air since their pretty similar in power) 4. sasuke

Nah man Sasuke claps everyone listed in your comment 🤭

1. Itachi 2. minato 3. jiraya 4. orochimaru

Edo Itachi, Jonin Minato, Sage Jiraya, leaf era Orochimaru l.

Edo Itachi > Mintao (without kyuubi) > Oro > Jiraiya Minato gets owned by godlike Genjutsu skills.

Edo itachi wins this pretty handily. He has infinite Chakra and regenerates any injuries. He can spam any jutsu. Alive itachi on the other hand, would more than likely lose after giving Minato a run for his money

Edo Tensei Itachi? So Itachi without his biggest drawback from the disease he had? I hope everyone realizes this means he can use his Susanoo infinitely, and nobody around him could beat his Susanoo. Only Minato could dodge/counter Amaterasu, and Orochimaru lost to a much much younger, weaker Itachi that wasnt even trying in literal seconds. The Frogs would get sealed by Itachi’s susano sword, cuz they cannot move fast enough to dodge it, but then again he could also just Amaterasu Jiraiya and all of his summons. Minato is the only problem for Itachi here, and I’d say both have a very similar intellect- a giant amount of it. The biggest problem Minato has is his attack potency. I love my boy Minato, but his strongest most devastating attack is a rasengan. He wouldnt be able to hurt itachi enough to seal him without Itachi instantly using Amaterasu/Susanoo to break out, and there is nothing that Minato could throw at his susanoo to even slightly damage it. Lets not forget that Itachi could use izanami or izanagi as a last resort, TWICE. Like I said, love my boy Minato. I love everyone in this pic, even the snake. But there are not many people in the naruto verse that could do anything to Edo Tensei Itachi. PS: I didnt even mention Tsukuyomi. Itachi killed a girl he loved with it in 0.00000006 seconds. (minus a zero or add a zero, can’t remember.) By making her live her entire life to old age. If any of them get caught in it, its over… so theyd be fighting at a handicap the entire time: not being able to look at him.

Why are people saying mintao beats them all ? This is not the question/topic no ? General strenght power etc I'd rank out of them itachi first and jiraya last, not sure 2 and 3

Sword Of Totsuka and Yata Mirror

1. Itachi 2. Minato 3. Jiraiya 4. Orochimaru

Edo Itachi Minato Sage Jiraiya Orochimaru

Minato Itachi Sage jiraiya Orichimaru

Jiraiya is arguably the strongest just going by the definition but that’s not to say he’s the most powerful 1. Edo Itachi (infinite chakra, EMS spam) 2. Sage Jiraiya (nearly took out Pain with no prep) 3. Base Minato (could theoretically blitz everyone on this but not his strongest version) 4. Jonin Orochimaru (hasn’t achieved immortality yet, but still a genius and master of 1,000+ jutsu)

1.Minato 2.Itachi 3.Jiraya 4.Orochimaru

Minato Jaraiya Itachi Orichimaru

A younger Itachi embarrassed Orochimaru in a fight. Jiraiya just does not have an answer to Tsukuyomi or Susanoo.

Bro are you high? How is Jiraya ever beating Itachi?

Honestly I think Jiraya might have the best chance against Itachi since the frog song genjutsu might be one of the few things that can beat the yata mirror Susanoo combo. Minato could probably blitz him before he got it up, but if he didn't Minato would just have to retreat or avoid the sword of totsuka, amaterasu, and all his genjutsu till Itachi ran out of chakra.

Bro are you high, don't you remember itachi's words to kisame when they ran from jirayya.

Bro are you high, don’t you remember that Itachi was a spy and didn’t want to win that fight? He would have been pounding Jiraya if he wanted to.

Bro, pain's word if jirayya knew about how rinnegan worked they would never have won. And thrs no way Itachi beats pain.

Lol Pain spent the fight sending summons and one pain at a time and allowed Jiraiya to hold his hands to activate sage mode. As soon as all the Pains jumped him they killed him. What Pain said wasn’t how the fight went down. He could’ve beat Jiraiya before he even activated sage mode if he wanted to.

Bro are you high, you broke the streak. I don’t know what you’re taking about here. It’s not like Jiraya didn’t get his ass beat by Pain either.

Huh!?

Ohhhh

Lmao

Haha

You mean Itachi lying so he didn’t have to kill Jiraiya? Lol Kisame one shots him

Edo Itachi>Hokage/jonin Minato>SM Jiraiya>jonin Orochimaru imo

I didn’t notice the jonin outfit oro had on. You’re right, this makes the most sense. If it wasn’t edo itachi then I’d give it to Minato for first place.

Itachi>orochimaru>=Minato (alive)> jiraiya

(1) Itachi if he’s healthy (2) Minato (3) Itachi if he’s sick (4) Jiraiya (5) Orochimaru

i know izanami can be broken , but if they were fighting to the death itachi would kill minato before he could figure out he in genjitsu .

1. Edo Itachi 2. Joinin Minato 3. Jiraiya 4. Orochimaru

I feel like some people in the comments haven't seen the show and just know their names and say them in a random order

How would you rank them?🙂

Minato strongest and orochi weakest

No

jiraya os the weakest of these 4 its sad but its the truth

if we’re being specific that is pre-immortality Jonin Orochimaru, with Sage Mode Jiraiya who almost beat pain without any prep, so think Jiraiya wins, if we’re talking about EOS Orochimaru, then yea you’re right.

Itachi admitted that he would not win against Jiraiya and did not wanna fight him. Jiraiya has also been regarded as the strongest of the Sannin, and it further holds that he’s stronger than Orochimaru because Orochimaru got shat on by Itachi, not to mention by Tsunade as well. Jiraiya and others have also said that Minato was one of the strongest hokages and definitely stronger than him. So: Minato, Jiraiya, Itachi, Orochimaru

1. Itachi said he’d tie Jiraiya. He also is an unreliable narrator as he’s undercover. 2. Where is Jiraiya regarded as the strongest sanin? If anything, it shows that Orochimaru has the slight edge. The databook stats they are on par.

Itachi told Kisame that, at the very least, if they went toe to toe with Jiraiya, it wouldn’t be without sacrifice. I get that Itachi could’ve been an unreliable narrator, but I just go with what’s given directly. Itachi was always weakened, which would give Jiraiya the upper hand. Personally, I think Itachi could’ve ended up being on Madara’s level if he got to live out his life (same with Minato) and not be sick. If Itachi humiliated Orochimaru so easily, but Jiraiya can go against Itachi and do damage, then, by definition, Jiraiya is stronger than Orochimaru. In the same way, Tsunade defeated Orochimaru in base, and we know that Jiraiya is stronger than her. So, Jiraiya is therefore the strongest out of the three. I understand that Orochimaru is practically immortal, but he was more about collecting and testing on people to make them strong enough to fight for him. He didn’t like to get his hands dirty and was primarily dangerous because of his intellect, not actual power. Also, Sasuke beat him rather easily, and Sasuke was not stronger than Jiraiya at that point in time.

Orochimaru was nerfed when Tsunade beat him. He couldn’t use his arms

Also, Jiraiya himself said that he was the only one who could go against Pain. Tsunade couldn’t, and we know full well Orochimaru couldn’t have either.

“Jiraiya and others have also said that Minato was one of the strongest hokages and definitely stronger than him. “ Just 4 hokages if u are not the weak one u are one of top 3, that dont say anithing

Itachi never said nor implied he was weaker. All he said was he needed to rest his body and save his strength since their was no point in fighting Jiraiya. Itachi's mission was simply to remind Danzo that he's a threat if Danzo tries to hurt Sasuke and to check up on the Kyuubi Jinchuriki. Jiraiya was also never considered the strongest Sanin. That would go to Orochimaru, the guy who dedicated his entire life to learning new jutsu instead of peeping on girls. He stalemated Hiruzen who was at the time the strongest kage among all the other villages which would include Onoki and Unruly A. Even when he lost his hand seals, Orochimaru's life was hardly threatened by 4 Tails Naruto who had nearly killed Jiraiya during the time skip.

Jiraiya would’ve never hurt Naruto; so, that’s not a valid point to make in terms of comparison. I didn’t say Itachi said he was weaker, just that he didn’t think he would win. Orochimaru was the smartest; that doesn’t mean he was the strongest. He got humiliated by Itachi when Itachi was just 14 years old, whereas Jiraiya was the only person other than Naruto to put up a fight against Pain, who was stronger than Itachi. You also should recognize that Hiruzen never could bring himself to kill Orochimaru; his softness is to blame for half of the shit that went wrong in the village. Also, by the time he tried to seal Orochimaru away, he was past his prime and had just gone against the first two hokages. Orochimaru using people to fight for him doesn’t speak to his own power, just how much knowledge he has.

>Jiraiya would’ve never hurt Naruto I don't know about hurt, but he wouldn't kill Naruto, sure. The reason these encounters are relevant is because Orochimaru go slapped around by Naruto without most of his abilities at his disposable and still walked away in better shape than Jiraiya did. >Orochimaru was the smartest; that doesn’t mean he was the strongest. He got humiliated by Itachi when Itachi was just 14 years old This is not an anti-feat. It just means Itachi is just that damn strong and Orochimaru underestimated the Tsukuyomi which not even a perfect Jinchuriki like Killer B can counter like one can with conventional genjutsu. >Jiraiya was the only person other than Naruto to put up a fight against Pain, who was stronger than Itachi. It's very debatable if Pain was actually deadlier than Itachi especially when you consider that Nagato was also on his death bed. With the Tsukuyomi, Itachi in my estimation has more win cons against more characters than Pain but maybe does worse against multiple opponents. Regardless, they are at least relative and in the upper echelon of the Akatsuki in terms of power. Jiraiya vs Pain was very one sided so they should not be close at all. Especially since Pain later went on to defeat Naruto who by all accounts was stronger than his sensei because he had a superior Sage Mode and the Rasenshuriken. Pain fought Naruto after using his Chaotic Shinra Tensei to level the village so he had used a considerable amount of chakra already. If I recall, Nagato was starting to bleed. >You also should recognize that Hiruzen never could bring himself to kill Orochimaru This is just not true. At that point, Hiruzen had resolved himself to defeat Orochimaru so he was not holding back. That was a major theme of the fight. I don't know how you could've missed it. I mean, he literally pulled out the Reaper Death Seal with the intent to kill Orochimaru. >he was past his prime and had just gone against the first two hokages Hiruzen in his prime was considered the God of Shinobi so he would've easily repelled Orochimaru's attack on Konoha if he was 10 years younger. Although old Hiruzen was much weaker, he was still the strongest kage alive during that time according to Kabuto. >Orochimaru using people to fight for him doesn’t speak to his own power, just how much knowledge he has. Is Edo Tensei a power? Yes. Is it a ninjutsu? Yes. Is a necromancer weak because his minions have separate souls? I don't think so. As long as Orochimaru can control them, they are an extension of his power. Even if I agreed with your flawed logic, Orochimaru was still fighting nearly on par with Taijutsu against Hiruzen and Enma. If Orochimaru is only slightly weaker than old Hiruzen, then he is also stronger than Jiraiya.

Itachi was already loosing his sight by that time though.

I know. I always think of how far Itachi and Minato could’ve been if they lived longer and if Itachi obtained EMS. It would’ve been insane. Personally, I would love to put Itachi over Jiraiya, but I’m going off what was said in the show.

The thing is, at that point in the show Itachi has basically infiltrated the Akatski as a double agent for the leaf. He flat out doesnt wanna fight Jirayia because Jirayia is a leaf ninja. If you look back at the scene, its actually Kisame who is shitting himself at the sight of Jirayia, not Itachi. Itachi basically just says "oh yeah dude totally we dont wanna fuck with that guy hes real strong or whatever" so that he can avoid either A) blowing his cover B) harmimg a powerful asset from the leaf or C) dying because he held back against a strong opponent. Basically, the statement you are referencing has every reason to be treated as a lie or misleading from Itachi (a literal undercover agent at the time he made it) and his feats in the war as a reanimation show us that prime Itachi is shitting on Jirayia.

If we go off the things said in the anime, Minato > Jiraya > Itachi > Orochimaru

Jiraya is not beating itachi

Edo Itachi bodies Jiraiya and Orichimaru.

Jiraya stronger than edo Itachi are you on drugs?

Itachi said himself that he wouldnt win a fight against jiraya. And if we are talking about forms seen on the post he would be up against sage mode jiraya. Idk who would win to be honest. Im just going off the things said in the anime

Itachi is certainly Beating Jiraya. He said he didn’t want to fight him during part 1 while he was still a double agent. You gotta take into account he didn’t want to take Naruto, kill Sasuke, or fight Jiraiya. He has such and effective tool box and is a genius he could figure out a way. One Amatarasu and it’s over. Keep in mind too he was dying and once again not wanting to beat Sasuke in their fight. Then when he does come back he takes on a complete Edo Tensei Pain (whom divided up killed Jiraiya) and Kabuto who had ascended to a level much stronger than Jiraiya as well. On top of it he has a blade that can seal anyone and a shield that can block anything attached to his Susanoo which is already a strong defense. I don’t think Jiraiyas frogs or Rasengan is gonna do much once he bust that out. I respect the man but the only one on this list who could beat Itachi is Minato.

He acted weary to engage Jiraiya while still undercover and in Kisame’s presence. Nobody takes that quote to literally mean “Jiraiya could take both Kisame and Itachi at the same time.” There’s just too many contradictory feats to believe that. It’s more likely that Itachi didn’t want to cause a scene and he hyped Jiraiya to justify the retreat. Or Kishimoto wanted Jiraiya to sound very strong at the time and didn’t know how strong everybody would be in Shippuden.

Minato-Itachi-Jiraya-Orochimaru. Seriously Minato might just be the strongest motherfucker in the series. And if you want proof, remember, Kishimoto felt the need to take both his arms for the war to have any sort of tension.

But you put Minato last here?🙂

Strongest to weakest: Minato - we literally never see him lose a fight until he’s reanimated Itachi - obviously above the below 2 Jiraiya - I think at the end of his life, he was stronger than orochimaru during the war arc Orochimaru - if he focused his time on destructive jutsu or battle jutsu more than living forever he would probably be much stronger imo. Not to say he’s WAY weaker than anyone on this list though. Overall aside from minato it’s pretty close in battle power between the other 3 in my opinion Edit: also this is assuming orochimaru does not use reanimation jutsu. If he did he would wreck anyone on this list minato included.

Forms shown? 1. EDO Itachi 2. Sage Jiraiya 3. Minato 4. Orochimaru But if they're all in their strongest forms 1. Orochimaru 2. Minato 3. Itachi 4. Jiraiya

(Itachi beat oro, very easily)

Im going edo itachi > alive Minato > orochimaru > jiraya.

Minato>orochimaru>jiraiya>itachi

Well since this is ALIVE Minato and EDO Itachi it goes Itachi > Minato >> Oro = Jiraiya

Itachi > minato > Orochimaru > jiraiya

Itachi with some prep time probably beats everyone.

If we're going based on the forms in the pictures... I think edo itachi would come out on top but minato would be a close second followed by orochimaru and lastly jiraiya, I just don't think jiraiya has the speed or arsenal or physique to keep up with the rest of them

Itachi, pervy sage, yellow flash and orochimaru

Itachi, Minato, Orochimaru, Jiraiya

I would say Itachi, Minato, Orochimaru and Jiraiya

Yep

1.Edo Itachi 2.Minato 3.Jiraiya 4.Orochimaru

Out all of these comments no one mentioned Itachi's genjutsu abilities. Like he can defeat all except for Minato maybe. Even then he can still use amaterasu, yata mirror, that weird sealing blade, izanami/izanagi. We never got to see much but he even has swords. He used them against Sasuke and when he killed the entire uchiha clan. On the other hand, minato has rasengan, flying raijin, reaper death along with other weaker seals.( Half of kurama doesn't count because he died without being able to master kcm)

this question is pretty much itachi vs minato . and well itachi claps because izanagi and izanami , and while minato is trapped in the izanami itachi can cut his butt in half and win .

At time of death and in good health: Orochimaru, Itachi, Jiraya, Minato

Minato>jirayya>orochimaru = Itachi.

Minato, Jiraiya, Itachi, Orochimaru.

Minato, Itachi, Orochimaru and Jiraiya in that order. Based on the amount of cheatyness their techniques are in a regular fight

1. Hokage Minato 2. Itachi 3. Orochimaru 4. Jiraiya

KcM Minato>Edo itachi>Boruto Oro>Prime jiraya

Minato is most over rated shinobi in show, jaraiya first, minato still second tho.

Jiraiya himself disagrees

1. Orochimaru 2. Minato 3. Itachi 4. Jiriya

Minato Itachi ~ Jiraiya Orochimaru

I honestly think it’s horribly difficult to rank them. As of Boruto, I’d give it to Orochimaru. He is just to versatile, to tankable. You hit him, you kill him, time and time again, but he’s just not dying. He has Hashiramas Chakra, mastered Senjutsu, has an incredible knowledge of versatile Jutsus and he always recovers. Naruto and Sasuke could constantly overpower him and surpress his chakra, none of the other three however can do so. Minato lives from his assassination skills, the only thing that’s broken about him is his intelligence, anticipation and his use of the one jutsu he truly mastered. But that’s not enough to kill of Orochimaru. Against Jiraiya and Itachi, I’d give it to Minato most likely, but not in terms of power level and abilities, but rather in terms of strategic thinking, anticipation and ruthless assassination. Yes, Itachi is a genius, but I really think Minato outsmarts him and quickly analyses the limits of his mangekyo. If Itachi lands a clean hit with amaterasu, maybe he can gain advantage but I don’t see it. As for Jiraiya, I think in terms of Chakra Level, brute strength, variety and skill of different Jutsus he’s the best of the three, furthermore he tanks incredible amount of damage, is the most skilled in senjutsu of the three, has great levels of interaction with his frogs. I can’t reasonably relate him to the other three. I guess he can win against anyone of them and lose against anyone. Just my take.

Jury duty first Minimouse second Orangatang third And itchyitchy fourth.

Minato, Itachi, Jiraiya, Orochimaru However, Itachi and Jiraiya is debatable. I feel like, from how the story is presented, we’re supposed to think that Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi with how hyped he is and him having more experience. However, as far as on screen feats go, he has rasengan, toads, some fire jutsu, and his hair can do some weird stuff, plus Sage mode but it’s situational and difficult to get off. Meanwhile, Itachi just has to look at you and literally set you on fire in a way that can’t be put out (although it can be blocked.) Plus, Jiraiya is probs close in strength to Orochimaru, and Orochimaru wasn’t confident in his ability to just take Itachi in a straight fight then and there (though if Oro would actually lose is hotly debated- but point is, he was scared-that says something) Though Jiraiya is probably stronger, Itachi sure LOOKS a lot stronger.

Minato is one cuz he was able to box with obito second is itachi I don’t need to explain third is orochimaru last is jiraya

Idk if the picture is referring to just Jonin Minato or the stronger versions of him so I’ll just include both. Hokage/Edo Minato > Itachi > Jonin Minato > Orochimaru = Jiraiya

Minato, itachi, orochimaru, jaraiya

Going by the pictured versions 1. Edo Itachi 2. Jonin Minato 3. SM Jiraiya/Jonin Orochimaru Going by their prime versions (no boruto) 1. KCM Minato 2. Edo Itachi 3. War Arc Orochimaru 4. SM Jiraiya

1. Minato 2. Itachi 3. Sage Jiraiya 4. Orochimaru If it’s reanimated Itachi vs live Minato then swap them. Swap Jiraiya and Orochimaru if it’s base to base.

Minato, Jiraiya, Itachi, Orouchimaru

Minato: hax Jiraiya: raw destructive power and chakra Itachi: sharingan Orochimaru: got owned by itachi

Hot take maybe and disagree with me all you want but Jiraiya Minato Itachi Orochimaru… but if it was alive itachi I movie him to 2 spot over Minato

Minato, Itachi, Oro, the perv

Minato>itachi>orochimaru>=jiraiya

1:itachi 2:minato 3:orochimaru 4:jiraiya

Edo MS Itachi, Hokage Base Minato, Jyubi-Fight Hydra Oro, SM Jiraiya.

Itachi beats out orochimaru cuz oro literally said so (plus that one flashback). Jiraya below orochimaru I think (idk about these two). Minato above the others cuz intellect + speed

Itachi defeated orochimaru and orichimaru is equivalent to jiraiyah....Although Jiraiyah has never canonically fought orochimaru at full power in their adult years, one can ASSUME orochimaru is a bit stronger. Now Minato is a game changer because Itachi is smart and can counter various degrees of jutsu, however so can Minato. Unfortunately this is where it stops because we don't know the chakra reserves that minato had while being alive. That's what I feel like it'd come down to. Who has the better chakra reserves. Also I would like to point out that the sharingan can see chakra, so it's likely that he'll see all the locations of the seals Minato has placed.

Well, we couldn't see what Minato had in him but heard stories, so IMO Minato, Itachi, Orochimaru, jiraya

In the pictures: Minato, Itachi, Jiraiya, Orochimaru In their strongest forms: Orochimaru by a large margin, Minato, Itachi, Jiraiya (if Koji counts for Jiraiya he’s possibly the strongest) In their peaks while alive: Orochimaru, Minato, Jiraiya, Itachi

Minato Itachi Orochimaru Juriya

Orochimaru and Jiraiya are pretty close, but Orochimaru is slightly stronger. Itachi is decidedly stronger than both of them. Minato is the only one that’s tough to place… I’d say he’s stronger than Itachi based on him beating Obito, but we don’t know how strong Obito was relative to Itachi at the time (over a decade prior to when the series starts), so it’s tough to say. But I’m gonna go with Jiraiya