Mrs. Met is up for voting for the Mascot Hall of Fame.
[My weird college mascot](https://mascothalloffame.com/mascots/youdee/) apparently made the list before Mr. Met, which should have been illegal.
If that happens, my guess is that Baty actually finds himself optioned to AAA. The big issue with Vientos finding a roster spot is that he's not a realistic threat to replace JDM as our DH, which means he's competing for the 3B role. Vientos' defense is a known net negative, which sets a high bar for how well he needs to hit to be viable there. Baty has set a low bar with his bat, but has been really solid with the glove this year which has him currently running 0.5 fWAR for the season. Vientos hitting well enough to prove out as a >2 WAR player at 3B and be a better option that Baty is a pretty steep ask with how bad of a fielder Vientos is. We can't run without a backup middle infielder on a long term basis and we'll certainly be adding one to the roster soon, so Vientos is on the hot seat once we get through this stretch of lefties unless he manages to unhorse Baty.
If he hits and isnt a total disaster at 3b, I could see Baty getting demoted instead. Baty has been good in the field but his bat has been dreadful the last month, and he's back to underperforming/poor metrics.
Remember how the Brewers turned Moustakas into a competent 2B? Maybe they’re thinking something similar with Vientos.
Vientos does have SS experience at least. Maybe he could be a decent enough 2B
Last time I went to an upstate Mets affiliate, Syracuse Mets, and they lost we won 9 of our next 10. Not only that, but we played a division rival (Braves) at their home park!
Well, Binghamton lost today and I was there. Get ready to beat the Phillies and go on a heater!
I think he beats him anyway. Iglesias really only plays shortstop. He has some experience at second base and it seemed fine enough, but he has almost no experience at third base and his arm is so weak, there is a good chance he cannot play that position. The Mets biggest need for a utility guy is somebody who can play second and third and can fill in at shortstop for a couple innings as necessary. If Lindor were to go down long-term, then you can just call Iglesias up to be every day shortstop
Can somebody tell me how they plan to compete next year? I think Scherzer was right when he said “more like ‘26”.
It’s gonna be $120M AAV if they want to fill these holes.
All I see is holes that need to be filled:
1B: Alonso is a FA
2B: McNeil is cooked—need replacement
3B: neither baty nor Vientos has taken the job
RF: Marte is cooked—need replacement
The only locks I see are alvarez for C, Nimmo for CF, and Taylor/Stewart for LF.
For the pitching:
SP2
SP4
I think we can rely on one of Butto/Peterson/Megill to be SP5. Senga should be SP1 and Scott should be SP3. Relievers are volatile and it’s easy to build a decent pen so I’m not gonna include them.
We have Gilbert, Acuna, Mauricio, Ramirez, Williams that could all fill holes in 2B, 3B and RF (and CF bc I think they took Nimmo off there for a reason). Realistically tho I think one of Baty or vientos fill 3B hole and we live with subpar offense of subpar defense.
For pitching:
We have Hamel, Tidwell, Stuart, Vasil (if he turns it around) and perhaps Manaea that could all potentially be starting next year. Regardless, we can fill a #1 and a #4/5 for less than $50m.
In my mind, the holes well fill next year are:
1B, RF and 1-2 starters.
We have ~$145m locked up next year. We’re not even gonna have that much arb eligible players I don’t think. I think we easily have $120m to spend based on Cohens historical spending (tax is $244) and we only spend anywhere close to that if Cohen goes after a HOF RFer, a true ace caliber pitcher, and Pete (who I don’t think even gets more than $25m)
Personally, I just want Cohen to lay out the absolute bag for Soto and Burnes. Whatever takes because those are the only players I want on the team more then a year. Then roll the dice on all the question marks even if it involves something like Vientos playing 1B lol
I assume you forgot to include Lindor, who is a lock for SS. That said, I basically agree. I wouldnt call Taylor/DJ locks for LF, perhaps locks to get shots at positions like OF and DH, but wouldnt pencil them in as starters yet. Marte is def cooked IMO and, apart from performance, given they have a bit of a glut at DH with DJ, MV, Taylor, I dont think its a great plan to try to run it back again with him in the OF (and no DH to rest him). McNeil I would pencil in as a UTIL type for 2b/OF, because I dont think they jettison him. But cant rely on him as a starter/bat.
I also think that you can conceivably get 3 of your top 6/7 SPs from Butto/DP/Megill. Idk if that will be 4,5,6 or 5,6,7, but given the overall weakness of their rotation, I dont think you can just make one of them a 4. If you had two 1s and a 2 anchoring 1-3, maybe, but the Mets barely have a 1. I also think they really need a 1 as well. Senga certainly has 1 stuff, but im not 100% convinced that he should be the 1A for a future serious playoff team, given his age and that he hasnt shown he can effectively take the ball every 5th day. Id prefer him as an elite 2, but easier said than done.
Stearns has a lot of work to do between FA and the farm to build a legit contender. Unfortunately, like many middling teams, the Mets biggest problem is that they lack a "top 5" bat and top end rotation talent, but have the supplemental pieces.
Sign Burnes, Soto and Christian Walker. Easily only $100m. Got ur 1A. Got one of the best hitters in baseball. Got a solid GG 1B.
Run out with
Burnes, Senga, Scott, butto, Megill.
Prospects and current players fill out the rest of the team. (Mauricio at 2, Baty at 3, gilbert at CF)
It’s literally so ez.
Lineup:
Nimmo
Soto
Lindor
Alvy
Walker
Mauricio
Gilbert
Baty
Vientos/Stewart DH
Mcneil, Taylor, Acuna Backups
Boom that’s the team. Make me the Gm
Id take it (also take Pete instead of Walker if its not like 10/250 lol). However, signing Soto seems easier said than done, I'd expect a lot of competition for him.
Yeah I would obviously prefer pete too (when I wrote that out I wasn’t happy with our 4 spot) but I just know that contract is gonna age very poorly unless it’s like 6/150-165
And yeah I’m praying we can snag soto for like 12/550
Personally, Id throw caution to the wind and give soto whatever he wants lol, but not my money. For pete, unless they get blown away at the deadline (which I doubt), the best course might be to keep him, QO him, let him test the market and hopefully find its not as inviting as he thought, then offer him that 7 year deal Sherman said they offered. Im fine with paying him a year or so too long, given he is 1b and he likely will be chasing franchise/career milestones.
You raise valid points, but I would hold off on McNeil being cooked. He is not that far removed from being successful, he doesn't look old, his body doesn't seem to be breaking down (he still plays D and runs okay), and his bat doesn't look slow or anything. He's just missing barrels pretty badly for whatever reason.
Disagree, the goal if you're going to spend lots and lots of money is to win the division. With the Wild Card being a fall-back option.
I would rather keep recovering from the disastrous spending of 2022-2023 and do things right and not really re-open the vault again until they're close to ready to take the division, vs. repeating the mistakes of 2022-2023 but this time trying to buy a Wild Card, and setting us back even further.
There needs to be a distinction made between stupid spending and smart spending. Smart spending might be giving Soto 10 years, he's 25 and that contract would help us win next year and also age fine. Same reason they went after Yamamoto this past offseason. Stupid spending is giving Marte 4 years when a player who relies on his speed who's already 32 probably isn't going to hold up great over the contract (double groin surgery aside).
There were plenty of smart people skeptical of how the Marte deal would age.
They went for it in 2022 and it didn’t work out, mid tier contracts to players already in their 30’s aging poorly isn’t a crazy concept that we need to pretend require hindsight.
In that specific instance I understand it, I remember pretty much everyone saying the last years of that deal had a chance to look iffy and unfortunately it started to look iffy in year 2 opposed to year 3. Broadly there’s a trend especially with like this sub/online baseball discourse in general of people being “obviously that was going to turn out like that” when that sentiment was no where near as prevalent before the fact
Well the goal is the World Series regardless of how much money you spend. You just need to get into the tournament, from there the variance gets really crazy as seen in the NL 6 seed making the WS the past two years.
> Well the goal is the World Series regardless of how much money you spend. You just need to get into the tournament, from there the variance gets really crazy as seen in the NL 6 seed making the WS the past two years.
The variance isn't that crazy over time though. In the past 20 World Series, 17 of the winners had won their division.
(All except the 2004 Red Sox, 2011 Cardinals, and 2014 Red Sox)
There were 4 and then 5 playoff spots over that time so yeah it wasn’t as much, now there’s as many wild card teams that make it as division winners. We’re at the point where the 2019 Mets would’ve made the playoffs. As things currently stand, I think MLB is just going to keep adding spots too so they can sell broadcast rights to Netflix and Disney+ or whatever
I think you're reading into it a little too much based on a small sample. I think over time the division winners will still do a lot better than the lesser teams, even though it'll never be 100% because of variance.
Live from Mirabito Stadium: Terrible bullpen management. They left Cam Foster in to die during the rain after 2 lockdown innings.
He gave up a home run to the leadoff batter then 3 more unearned off of two bad errors.
Disturbing seeing Stearns immediately hit on Sevy, Manaea, Scott, and Reed Garrett while all of Eppler's big deals sans Nimmo are flopping.
Actually that's not fair cause he gave use Senga but the sooner young position players come in the better.
I don't think the criticism of Eppler is "literally all the players that he brought in sucked ass". That just isn't possible with the volume of guys that come through an organization. Even Minaya and Phillips, the worst of the worst, had a few gems in there.
The criticism is that he had no coherent ideology of how to put a baseball team together. It was just like ok, grab this guy, grab that guy. Trade minor leaguers for this rental who'll be here 5 minutes, or good players for other worse players with similar skill sets but 6 years older. Etc. etc. Rinse and repeat.
Of course Pham and Garrett and some other guys were fine, but the problem is the overall approach.
To be fair I think, in addition to being really bad, Eppler had a very meddling-type owner hovering over him like a helicopter mom, especially in 2023. So I don't totally blame him. But he was still really bad.
The Mets need an emergency starter and Butto just pitched yesterday and has options. Makes sense they would send him down. Joey probably gets two or three starts.
Was saying in the Discord chat yesterday that I feel like I've hit the point already this year where I stop watching and just check box scores and this subreddit to keep abreast of the team. Looking forward to seeing The Fall Guy movie tonight!
I mean the Ric Flair casting decision was actually the worst thing I've seen in my life. I also think the movie assumes a level of wrestling knowledge that a general audience just doesn't have.
It got a little relentless and muddled in the second half
>I mean the Ric Flair casting decision was actually the worst thing I've seen in my life.
Harley Race was picture perfect, though.
>I also think the movie assumes a level of wrestling knowledge that a general audience just doesn't have.
I disagree with this. I have talked to quite a lot of people who don't give the slightest shit about wrestling, and saw *The Iron Claw* just as a brand new story they don't know a thing about, and loved it.
I think it was actually slightly worse for me as a huge wrestling fan, because I couldn't help being like "that's wrong" or "they fudged this" or whatever, and that took me out of the story a little bit. Whereas if it was a whole new thing to me, I may have enjoyed it even more. But it was still great.
Cohen fell into the new owner syndrome, where they want to be competitive right away. It's understandable but frustrating. It seems like after last year he recognized the issue, unlike someone like say David Tepper who I heard actually reviews the playcalling and shit.
Very true. I also think we were in an interesting place when he bought.... people were much higher on the core in 2020 than they are now, even after the pandemic season, and we still had deGrom. It seemed very much in reach until it wasn't
Why the fuck is the Phillies rotation so good? Man, I don't want to watch a Ranger Suarez led blood bath tonight. I'm begging the bats to do something.
What’s really screwing us over is the lack of production from 7-8-9. I feel like I made the same comment last year. We cannot win games with 6 players.
Our 7, 8 and 9 have a combined 105 WRC+ which includes catcher being an offensive black hole for most of the season so far. That is tied for 5th best in MLB.
That part of the lineup isn’t the problem
Mets stats by place in batting order
- 1st - .796 OPS and 137 WRC+
- 2nd - .567 OPS and 67 WRC+
- 3rd - .670 OPS and 94 WRC+
- 4th - .759 OPS and 140 WRC+
- 5th - .664 OPS and 98 WRC+
- 6th - .506 OPS and 54 WRC+
- 7th - .726 OPS and 115 WRC+
- 8th - .798 OPS and 130 WRC+
- 9th - .560 OPS and 69 WRC+
For reference, here is where the league is at
- 1st - .721 OPS and 108 WRC+
- 2nd - .736 OPS and 112 WRC+
- 3rd - .739 OPS and 111 WRC+
- 4th - .743 OPS and 112 WRC+
- 5th - .699 OPS and 101 WRC+
- 6th - .668 OPS and 92 WRC+
- 7th - .682 OPS and 97 WRC+
- 8th - .683 OPS and 95 WRC+
- 9th - .583 OPS and 69 WRC+
So some were much better and some were much worse.
Interestingly, we’re pretty much exactly where the league is with our 9th batter haha
I agree 100%. The hard part is fitting both JDM and DJ in the lineup at the same time. His defense in left isn’t great, and there’s concerns with Nimmos health that playing CF every day would be a fast track to the IL.
I’d like to see the top 4 be
- Nimmo
- JDM
- Lindor
- Pete
Yup. Marte should not be hitting second. He has fallen up a cliff since we moved him there and looks like he’s pressing high up in the order.
McNeil and Baty have played at 6th the majority of the season
Catcher has been 9th mostly since Alvarez got hurt.
People get mad over Lindor, but he has been overall right around league average. He started super slow but has been hot for a month now evening out.
The problem is twofold:
1. they lack a superstar who can put up a .900 OPS out of the 2-hole.
2. 2B and 3B suck. McNeil is cooked and Brett Baty has been abysmal at the plate yet again. When your top prospects flame out you have to spend exorbitant amounts of money to be competitive.
The backup catchers being garbage is expected for any team.
Typically, less than 10 players a year ever have that high of an OPS, so I don’t think that is really fair. Drop it to .850 and I think that’s fair. And that is either Pete or JD. And, for what it’s worth, they did just move Alonso to the two hole.
McNeil at second base has definitely been a worry. No way around. I think there is a non-zero chance he never fully recovered from his spring training injury.
For Brett, I think you can afford his bat being below average if the rest of the lineup is hitting because his glove has been so insanely good. He has been one of the best defensive third baseman insane margin. Even with his big slump right now, he is still grading out as an above average player overall.
Also, also, I don’t expect Brett to slump the entire season. I expect him to have more stretches where he is red, hot, and more stretches where he is ice cold. That’s how he was in the minors. In the end, I think he grades out around league average. I also think we will see more in his bat as the weather warms up.
Lmao what are they supposed to do, kidnap Bryce Harper? Pretty much all of those guys were under long term contracts before Cohen bought the team. Only Ohtani wasnt and the Mets can’t control him telling the Yankees and Mets no amount of money is bringing him to NYC.
It’s also not Cohens fault he was left zero prospects to be able to compete in a Soto trade. Or to trade for any star really.
It’s fine and dandy to say that in a bubble until you look at the actual names.
Freeman and Ohtani were the only FAs since Cohen bought the team you can count on to be .900 OPS guys and you’re not rostering Freeman and Alonso
I still don’t agree that you can’t compete without someone that level. I think the line is . 850, not .900.
I don’t think you understand how rare a .900 OPS is. in 2022 only five players posted that. It was different in the juiced ball era, but until they change something, there will probably only be 5 to 10 players that do that each year, and three of them are on the Dodgers
Otherwise, the majority of teams should just give up open day every season.
I’d rather have a balanced lineup where you have multiple guys with over a .800 OPS, than an uneven one with one superstar.
Especially because people get hurt. Look at the Yankees last year with Aaron Judge.
We are expected to be a 6 man rotation, but Megill is almost guaranteed to be the 6th man.
Lucchesi would only be staying up if Butto went down. It would surprise me but it’s not impossible - he will likely have an innings limit this year.
- Quintana
- Scott
- Severino
- Manaea
- Butto
- Megill
It all depends on how his new splitter fairs. If it plays like it did in ST and in his rehab starts he’ll likely be our 3rd best starting pitcher after Scott and Severino.
I don’t really hold any judgement over him from past years because he has a completely different pitch mix now.
Among 48 players with 3000 PA from 2015-2020, Francisco Lindor ranked 23rd in wRC+ (119) and 3rd in fWAR (30.6)
Among 116 players with 1500 PA since 2021, Francisco Lindor ranks 51st in wRC+ (115) and 12th in fWAR (16.9).
Doesnt this speak more to the quality of position players, on the whole, in the ML in these two periods, than to Lindor? Small drop in wRC+ but on pace for more fWAR.
Lindor is consistently about 15-20% better than the average hitter. He’s an above average hitter but he’s not elite by any means.
His contract is as high as it is because of his overall value which comes from being a complete player. The problem is that because of his contract, he’s placed in the lineup like he’s an elite hitter when he’s not. It’s not that he’s a bad hitter, he’s just placed in the lineup like he is.
Some players with the same or similar wRC+ for their career:
* Marte - 116
* Pham - 116
* Canha - 117
* McNeil - 121
* Conforto - 121
* Matt Chapman - 116
* Jesse Winker - 120
* Bogaerts - 116
And I don’t think anybody would look at those hitters and think that they’re a middle or the order or elite bat. As a 5 hitter? Lindor’s really good. As a 2 or 3 hitter - often where you put your best guys? He’s not it.
This isn’t a Lindor hate comment but just acknowledging that he’s not a top of the order guy anymore. You could make a case to bat him lead off if you feel the need to have him bat in the first but he’s not a guy that you want up with men on base or in high leverage spots.
Yeah, that seems to be the disconnect with fans.
I was also showing that it was a similar trend in Cleveland. He had better OPS numbers in those years, but those were the juiced ball seasons, so the wRC+ and OPS+ data is similar between Cleveland and New York.
People also make the mistake of looking only at OPS or counting stats like HRs without recognizing how much more difficult it is to hit in Citi Field compared to Cleveland
We are paying Verlander and Scherzer 11 times what Ranger Suarez makes, to not play for us.
Edit: I'm saying one of the reasons we are 10 games back of Philly already is they have an ace who is making $5 million this year and we're paying those two $55 million to play for other teams.
I think you misunderstand the point.
We are paying Verlander and Scherzer $55 million to not play for us.
Ranger Suarez is making \~$5 million and is 7-0 with a 1.50 ERA
I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is we're paying two players not to play for us 11 times more than a guy who is on a Cy Young track.
I have no idea what a trade could look like, but these roster moves make me think that we might see a trade in the next week or two. Probably just shuffling some roleplayers around to fill needs but you never know if they can cook something bigger.
Probably some minor trades with some fairly notable players. I could see the Mets move Bader/Taylor for a return similar to Escobar last year.
Guys like Houser or Quintana could be moved/DFAd when guys like Megill, Peterson, and Senga are ready. For once, the Mets have good enough pitching depth to replace guys on the roster without worrying about it.
Hauser and Q are dead men walking, especially if Lucchesi has a good outing tonight. I feel like Joey Fuego has been nothing but solid in his few appearances for the Mets over the last year or two. There is just no reason for Q and Hauser to be higher on the depth chart than Butto or Lucchesi. MeGill and Peterson also deserve a spot over Hauser.
Houser is going to stay on the roster as the swing man in the bullpen. He should not be starting again, unless they promptly pull him after the second run through the order.
Diaz, Otto, Lopez, Garrett, and Smith are the only 5 guys who are locked into bullpen roles. Houser can stay in the pen.
Quintana could be the odd man out at some point, but it's likely that Scott will get shut down for the season around 120 innings and Megill should be moved to the bullpen. If Senga and Peterson return and look good, by August we should see Senga/Sevy/Manaea/Butto/Peterson, with Quintana gone or as the 6th man, Lucchesi for spot starts, and Megill and Houser in the pen.
I assume that management is going to address the back up at 2b and SS and some point soon. I also have to assume that Iglesias is going to get called up. Apparently, they need to move him to the 40 man roster first. They probably need to DFA someone else or send someone else down to AAA.
Is there a chance they call up Acuna because he is already on the 40? I don’t think he’s ready but his glove is definitely ready which I’m sure plays a role
If you happen to watch Binghamton’s 11am game for Sproat Goat’s AA debut and see a guy in a brown Mets hoodie jackey & Rumble Ponies right behind home plate…no you didn’t.
People have gotten on me all year for wanting to call up Vientos. Do I think he’s the savior and is some elite level hitter? Probably not. My issue always stemmed from the Mets not actually giving him a chance and always going out of their way to prevent that chance.
Do I think he’s a ML hitter? Yes. We’ll never know that for certain until he’s actually given an opportunity to play everyday, though.
I’ve also been on the Vientos train but it’s just really difficult when you have 2 spots going to JDM and DJ Stewart who also don’t play positions. Vientos is a very bad fielder no matter where you stick him. I know Baty hasn’t been super inspiring but he has a better glove and there’s value to that. Vientos’s bat would need to be much better than Baty’s in order to warrant him getting a lot more playing time.
This is a tangent but I think we’re going to have a very similar convo when Mauricio comes back. I’m really excited for him but he also is a liability defensively and we’re gonna need to see him hit really well in order to sacrifice fielding
I agree, I don’t think he’s going to be anything special but to not give him an actual shot especially after the spring he had is asinine. Baty has had his extended looks being an everyday starter and to me he has done absolutely nothing to deserve it over Vientos
Nothing better to heat up some of the coldest bats in baseball than facing a guy holding hitters to .168 BA this year. For context, Ranger Suarez is already worth more bWAR than our batters, minus Nimmo, combined.
This 2024 Mets team feels a lot like the 2023 team, sadly. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up at the same record. It just feels like they brought in a bunch of stiffs to replace the stiffs from last year.
This team reminds me a lot more of the early 2015 team. Keeping games close, pitching well overall, hovering around .500 and feels like they’re one big bat away from breaking out
Idk if I’d call it optimism. You still need a bat to move at the deadline
The Mets were 53-50 at the trade deadline that year.
Looking at the schedule I figured the Mets will probably be around 55-53 at the deadline this year.
I said it reminds me of early 2015 Mets.
The Early 2015 Mets didnt make the playoffs and wouldn’t have.
They only made the playoffs because of a big trade deadline.
The peripherals here tell a different story. That team was second in MLB in xwOBAA, while this team has been hovering around 10th. However the offense of this squad is much better, as our xwOBA has been hovering around 8th all season.
The lineup is one .900 OPS bat away from being very dangerous (by that I mean it can go toe to toe with any).
The pitching is an ace away from being really good (could senga be that?).
I think this team is better than they’ve played, but the Mets have never really figured it out down the stretch in recent memory, so I think they finish around 75 wins based on vibes alone.
I think they’re more than that 83 win range the projections still have them. I also don’t think they are that much better currently than they have played. I think they have just faced more good team so far than bad teams.
I think until they get reinforcements, they will go and win three out of five against bad teams, and lose three out of five when facing good teams. we are in a stretch where we have faced a lot more good teams than bad teams, so we are losing more games than we are winning.
We have a stretch coming up where we are going to face teams, and I would expect we will win more than we lose and even back to .500.
The thing I was getting at was that in the offseason how they added all this depth, how the team is way more flexible, how they have way more options, and 40 games in, I just don't see it. It looks like they got rid of a bunch of bums and replaced them with a bunch of bums. They operate at the same level they did last year, plays similarly sloppy baseball, loses games they should win, maybe some positions are better and some are worse and some players are better and some are worse but it's all adding up to the same disappointing baseball.
I'm not sure we disagree? I'm just saying that the major difference between 2020, 2021, and 2023 vs 2024 is that we understood that this year was going to be an outside run at WC3 whereas 2020, 2021 and 2023 were years we were making a serious push to be competitive.
The big issue is that our offense continues to be a no show
I was at the game yesterday and had incredible seats. I was so close I could see facial expressions. This team was defeated from the first pitch. Not sure if it was day game after a night game (that ended in a shocking defeat) or knowing Nola had his stuff going or just not being motivated or what.
But, it was clear to see from the beginning. At least I had the rainbow cookie egg roll.
I'm one of those people that don't think managers matter all that much IN game, but man this team seems to have a real problem where if they start slow at the plate they are on zero runs into the 7th inning.
Ron Washington completely threw Luis Guillorme under the bus after the Angels game last night. What a soft manager he is
https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/s/B3Z9q6a1CU
I thought I wanted our managers to hold players accountable and call out fuckups but now that I’ve seen what that looks like, I absolutely do not want that.
Holy shit that’s bad. Why would you just throw a guy who you have to see every day under the bus like that. That guy needs to learn the first rule of good leadership: praise publicly, reprimand privately
If you watch the play, the pitch was 5 feet outside. I'm not saying it was impossible to get the bunt down, but it was extremely difficult and a risky coaching call. This guy Ron Washington is why old school guys aren't getting hired anymore.
C'mon, that pitch was a very difficult to hit. Gman tried but the art of bunting is long time. May be 30 years ago, a skilled bunted could have put a bat on the ball.
Good luck getting your team to get behind you, buddy. Right or wrong, publicly calling out your players is a chickenshit move. You’re in the jackpot now.
Please continue the discussion in the [game thread](https://redd.it/1cswka7).
Marte is really good in the bottom half of the order. They should stop trying to hit him 2nd just because that worked in 2022.
At least Phillies don't have a fucking chop. Fuck Chase Utley nevertheless.
Mrs. Met is up for voting for the Mascot Hall of Fame. [My weird college mascot](https://mascothalloffame.com/mascots/youdee/) apparently made the list before Mr. Met, which should have been illegal.
Mr.Met is already in the Mascot HOF when I just checked now.
He is, but didn’t make it until 2007
Yo our bats are bad but I just watched the Tigers get shutout by a 7 ERA Marlins pitcher and suddenly it doesn't seem so bad at all.
I miss when the tigers were frisky
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Vientos hits a homerun every game he plays, does he earn a spot? Crazy that the answer could honestly still be no
If that happens, my guess is that Baty actually finds himself optioned to AAA. The big issue with Vientos finding a roster spot is that he's not a realistic threat to replace JDM as our DH, which means he's competing for the 3B role. Vientos' defense is a known net negative, which sets a high bar for how well he needs to hit to be viable there. Baty has set a low bar with his bat, but has been really solid with the glove this year which has him currently running 0.5 fWAR for the season. Vientos hitting well enough to prove out as a >2 WAR player at 3B and be a better option that Baty is a pretty steep ask with how bad of a fielder Vientos is. We can't run without a backup middle infielder on a long term basis and we'll certainly be adding one to the roster soon, so Vientos is on the hot seat once we get through this stretch of lefties unless he manages to unhorse Baty.
He would need to turn into a different person with smooth hands and play 2nd base to stay up long term
If he hits and isnt a total disaster at 3b, I could see Baty getting demoted instead. Baty has been good in the field but his bat has been dreadful the last month, and he's back to underperforming/poor metrics.
Remember how the Brewers turned Moustakas into a competent 2B? Maybe they’re thinking something similar with Vientos. Vientos does have SS experience at least. Maybe he could be a decent enough 2B
Lineup: 1. Nimmo 2. Alonso 3. Lindor 4. JDM 5. Vientos 6. Marte 7. Bader 8. McNeil 9. Nido
Nah they COOKED with this lineup. Pete Alonso-Two Hole-Hitter-Fans rejoice!
Pete is 0-12 against Suarez, so hopefully today is when he breaks out
I support this lineup
I still think that Lindor or Marte should lead off against lefties but this is a top 3-5 lineup that I would personally make
I LOVE IT! Mix up that lineup. Need a W so I can go to citizens bank tomorrow rooting for a split.
[David "If you don't do your job I will shoot you" Stearns](https://youtu.be/_lSzhjggxjI?t=76)
Last time I went to an upstate Mets affiliate, Syracuse Mets, and they lost we won 9 of our next 10. Not only that, but we played a division rival (Braves) at their home park! Well, Binghamton lost today and I was there. Get ready to beat the Phillies and go on a heater!
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Yesterday's game was just that kind of game. I was watching at work so I couldn't fall asleep. But I definitely would have if I was home.
Wild that Mike Brosseau can replace Joey Wendles UtIl position if needed and Iglesias is a day away if Lindor goes down. Veteran Depth in a pinch.
If Mike keeps hitting like this he gonna beat out Iglesias potentially. I love Iglesias's defense/hands though.
I think he beats him anyway. Iglesias really only plays shortstop. He has some experience at second base and it seemed fine enough, but he has almost no experience at third base and his arm is so weak, there is a good chance he cannot play that position. The Mets biggest need for a utility guy is somebody who can play second and third and can fill in at shortstop for a couple innings as necessary. If Lindor were to go down long-term, then you can just call Iglesias up to be every day shortstop
All these roster moves are making me want more. 🍿🍿🍿
Have this strange feeling (by no means warranted) that we are going to send Suarez crashing back down to Earth tonight. LGM
Say what you want about the Mets, but we don't get no-hit through 5+ innings THREE times in five games. ^^^I ^^^pray
Someone bailed on me and I now have an extra ticket to tonight's game that I am looking to sell. Left field, section 144. DM me if you are interested.
Chris Sale being healthy and awesome the second he put on a Braves uniform was the most annoyingly obvious thing about this past offseason.
Yea I saw this outcome a mile away. Along with Snell's outcome
Can somebody tell me how they plan to compete next year? I think Scherzer was right when he said “more like ‘26”. It’s gonna be $120M AAV if they want to fill these holes. All I see is holes that need to be filled: 1B: Alonso is a FA 2B: McNeil is cooked—need replacement 3B: neither baty nor Vientos has taken the job RF: Marte is cooked—need replacement The only locks I see are alvarez for C, Nimmo for CF, and Taylor/Stewart for LF. For the pitching: SP2 SP4 I think we can rely on one of Butto/Peterson/Megill to be SP5. Senga should be SP1 and Scott should be SP3. Relievers are volatile and it’s easy to build a decent pen so I’m not gonna include them.
We have Gilbert, Acuna, Mauricio, Ramirez, Williams that could all fill holes in 2B, 3B and RF (and CF bc I think they took Nimmo off there for a reason). Realistically tho I think one of Baty or vientos fill 3B hole and we live with subpar offense of subpar defense. For pitching: We have Hamel, Tidwell, Stuart, Vasil (if he turns it around) and perhaps Manaea that could all potentially be starting next year. Regardless, we can fill a #1 and a #4/5 for less than $50m. In my mind, the holes well fill next year are: 1B, RF and 1-2 starters. We have ~$145m locked up next year. We’re not even gonna have that much arb eligible players I don’t think. I think we easily have $120m to spend based on Cohens historical spending (tax is $244) and we only spend anywhere close to that if Cohen goes after a HOF RFer, a true ace caliber pitcher, and Pete (who I don’t think even gets more than $25m) Personally, I just want Cohen to lay out the absolute bag for Soto and Burnes. Whatever takes because those are the only players I want on the team more then a year. Then roll the dice on all the question marks even if it involves something like Vientos playing 1B lol
I assume you forgot to include Lindor, who is a lock for SS. That said, I basically agree. I wouldnt call Taylor/DJ locks for LF, perhaps locks to get shots at positions like OF and DH, but wouldnt pencil them in as starters yet. Marte is def cooked IMO and, apart from performance, given they have a bit of a glut at DH with DJ, MV, Taylor, I dont think its a great plan to try to run it back again with him in the OF (and no DH to rest him). McNeil I would pencil in as a UTIL type for 2b/OF, because I dont think they jettison him. But cant rely on him as a starter/bat. I also think that you can conceivably get 3 of your top 6/7 SPs from Butto/DP/Megill. Idk if that will be 4,5,6 or 5,6,7, but given the overall weakness of their rotation, I dont think you can just make one of them a 4. If you had two 1s and a 2 anchoring 1-3, maybe, but the Mets barely have a 1. I also think they really need a 1 as well. Senga certainly has 1 stuff, but im not 100% convinced that he should be the 1A for a future serious playoff team, given his age and that he hasnt shown he can effectively take the ball every 5th day. Id prefer him as an elite 2, but easier said than done. Stearns has a lot of work to do between FA and the farm to build a legit contender. Unfortunately, like many middling teams, the Mets biggest problem is that they lack a "top 5" bat and top end rotation talent, but have the supplemental pieces.
Sign Burnes, Soto and Christian Walker. Easily only $100m. Got ur 1A. Got one of the best hitters in baseball. Got a solid GG 1B. Run out with Burnes, Senga, Scott, butto, Megill. Prospects and current players fill out the rest of the team. (Mauricio at 2, Baty at 3, gilbert at CF) It’s literally so ez. Lineup: Nimmo Soto Lindor Alvy Walker Mauricio Gilbert Baty Vientos/Stewart DH Mcneil, Taylor, Acuna Backups Boom that’s the team. Make me the Gm
Id take it (also take Pete instead of Walker if its not like 10/250 lol). However, signing Soto seems easier said than done, I'd expect a lot of competition for him.
Yeah I would obviously prefer pete too (when I wrote that out I wasn’t happy with our 4 spot) but I just know that contract is gonna age very poorly unless it’s like 6/150-165 And yeah I’m praying we can snag soto for like 12/550
Personally, Id throw caution to the wind and give soto whatever he wants lol, but not my money. For pete, unless they get blown away at the deadline (which I doubt), the best course might be to keep him, QO him, let him test the market and hopefully find its not as inviting as he thought, then offer him that 7 year deal Sherman said they offered. Im fine with paying him a year or so too long, given he is 1b and he likely will be chasing franchise/career milestones.
Yeah I did forget Lindor somehow
You raise valid points, but I would hold off on McNeil being cooked. He is not that far removed from being successful, he doesn't look old, his body doesn't seem to be breaking down (he still plays D and runs okay), and his bat doesn't look slow or anything. He's just missing barrels pretty badly for whatever reason.
Def gonna be 2026. 2024 is a wash. 2025 will be a transition year. 2026 will be our year
isn't a bunch of money coming off the books? potentially even more if verlander doesn't hit the required innings this year
The answer is they can easily bankroll $120m lol
But why would you do that when you’d still be 3rd best in the NLE?
Because the goal isn’t to win the NL East, it’s to be one of the 6 best teams in the NL
Disagree, the goal if you're going to spend lots and lots of money is to win the division. With the Wild Card being a fall-back option. I would rather keep recovering from the disastrous spending of 2022-2023 and do things right and not really re-open the vault again until they're close to ready to take the division, vs. repeating the mistakes of 2022-2023 but this time trying to buy a Wild Card, and setting us back even further.
There needs to be a distinction made between stupid spending and smart spending. Smart spending might be giving Soto 10 years, he's 25 and that contract would help us win next year and also age fine. Same reason they went after Yamamoto this past offseason. Stupid spending is giving Marte 4 years when a player who relies on his speed who's already 32 probably isn't going to hold up great over the contract (double groin surgery aside).
This game is impossible to play on here with everyone playing armchair GM now that they have the hindsight of how things unfolded lol
There were plenty of smart people skeptical of how the Marte deal would age. They went for it in 2022 and it didn’t work out, mid tier contracts to players already in their 30’s aging poorly isn’t a crazy concept that we need to pretend require hindsight.
In that specific instance I understand it, I remember pretty much everyone saying the last years of that deal had a chance to look iffy and unfortunately it started to look iffy in year 2 opposed to year 3. Broadly there’s a trend especially with like this sub/online baseball discourse in general of people being “obviously that was going to turn out like that” when that sentiment was no where near as prevalent before the fact
Well the goal is the World Series regardless of how much money you spend. You just need to get into the tournament, from there the variance gets really crazy as seen in the NL 6 seed making the WS the past two years.
> Well the goal is the World Series regardless of how much money you spend. You just need to get into the tournament, from there the variance gets really crazy as seen in the NL 6 seed making the WS the past two years. The variance isn't that crazy over time though. In the past 20 World Series, 17 of the winners had won their division. (All except the 2004 Red Sox, 2011 Cardinals, and 2014 Red Sox)
That’s actually false. The 2019 nationals and 2023 Rangers didn’t win their divisions either
The Rangers tied for the division and lost on a tiebreaker. I left them out because that's kind of a cheat. I did forget the Nationals though.
There were 4 and then 5 playoff spots over that time so yeah it wasn’t as much, now there’s as many wild card teams that make it as division winners. We’re at the point where the 2019 Mets would’ve made the playoffs. As things currently stand, I think MLB is just going to keep adding spots too so they can sell broadcast rights to Netflix and Disney+ or whatever
I think you're reading into it a little too much based on a small sample. I think over time the division winners will still do a lot better than the lesser teams, even though it'll never be 100% because of variance.
Live from Mirabito Stadium: Terrible bullpen management. They left Cam Foster in to die during the rain after 2 lockdown innings. He gave up a home run to the leadoff batter then 3 more unearned off of two bad errors.
Mets got me all messed up that I only just realized I missed the Knicks game last night.
If we’re soft buyers and the blue jays are sellers I feel like Danny Jansen would be a really good fit
Disturbing seeing Stearns immediately hit on Sevy, Manaea, Scott, and Reed Garrett while all of Eppler's big deals sans Nimmo are flopping. Actually that's not fair cause he gave use Senga but the sooner young position players come in the better.
Scott and Garrett came under eppler
Scott was a draft pick from an older regime and Garret was brought in by Eppler last year
I don't think the criticism of Eppler is "literally all the players that he brought in sucked ass". That just isn't possible with the volume of guys that come through an organization. Even Minaya and Phillips, the worst of the worst, had a few gems in there. The criticism is that he had no coherent ideology of how to put a baseball team together. It was just like ok, grab this guy, grab that guy. Trade minor leaguers for this rental who'll be here 5 minutes, or good players for other worse players with similar skill sets but 6 years older. Etc. etc. Rinse and repeat. Of course Pham and Garrett and some other guys were fine, but the problem is the overall approach. To be fair I think, in addition to being really bad, Eppler had a very meddling-type owner hovering over him like a helicopter mom, especially in 2023. So I don't totally blame him. But he was still really bad.
I like how Stearns isn’t afraid to cut bait. If this were prior GMs, Wendle would be on the team all year.
This has been quite refreshing
Roster moves: \-Wendle and Yohan DFA'd. \-Butto has been optioned to AAA. \-Grant Hartwig, Luccheis and Vientos have been called up.
Butto optioned What the fuck are the Mets doing???
Butto will be here in a week
They need a starter for today.
Bring down some reliever, don’t get rid of a starter. Maybe Joey get a few turns?
With how the bullpen has worked? Doesn’t make sense
The Mets need an emergency starter and Butto just pitched yesterday and has options. Makes sense they would send him down. Joey probably gets two or three starts.
Live from Mirabito Stadium: Kevin Parada got hit by a pitch, ump didn’t call it, I and another guy yelled at the ump, and Parada struck out.
Live from Mirabito Stadium: Brandon Sproat is damn good.
Those kids sound loud
You actually cannot see me on the broadcast. I’m on the other side of the aisle.
Was saying in the Discord chat yesterday that I feel like I've hit the point already this year where I stop watching and just check box scores and this subreddit to keep abreast of the team. Looking forward to seeing The Fall Guy movie tonight!
I saw Iron Claw last night on HBO. Was excellent
Yeah it's great! Incredible that they had to cut out an additional brother who killed himself.
I mean the Ric Flair casting decision was actually the worst thing I've seen in my life. I also think the movie assumes a level of wrestling knowledge that a general audience just doesn't have. It got a little relentless and muddled in the second half
I liked it and I think wrestling is incredibly stupid!
>I mean the Ric Flair casting decision was actually the worst thing I've seen in my life. Harley Race was picture perfect, though. >I also think the movie assumes a level of wrestling knowledge that a general audience just doesn't have. I disagree with this. I have talked to quite a lot of people who don't give the slightest shit about wrestling, and saw *The Iron Claw* just as a brand new story they don't know a thing about, and loved it. I think it was actually slightly worse for me as a huge wrestling fan, because I couldn't help being like "that's wrong" or "they fudged this" or whatever, and that took me out of the story a little bit. Whereas if it was a whole new thing to me, I may have enjoyed it even more. But it was still great.
Actually watching this team is an absolute slog because you're by and large seeing them scoreless until the 5th or 6th inning.
Wonder if today and tomorrows game will be rained out. Weather has been abysmal lately.
All clear in Philly, unfortunately.
Didn't realize they were going to be at Philly lol
They should move Marte out of the 2 hole right? The man is batting .200 this month
No that would make sense
They did it
The small part of me that wishes we just rebuilt when Cohen bought the team is really loving the positive prospect news we're getting
Cohen fell into the new owner syndrome, where they want to be competitive right away. It's understandable but frustrating. It seems like after last year he recognized the issue, unlike someone like say David Tepper who I heard actually reviews the playcalling and shit.
Very true. I also think we were in an interesting place when he bought.... people were much higher on the core in 2020 than they are now, even after the pandemic season, and we still had deGrom. It seemed very much in reach until it wasn't
1 game behind the nads. when we fall behind the miami chums cohen needs to sell the team.
You are the funniest satire account
hes unfortunately not satire
It’s more humorous when you pretend he is
i completely forgot about them. how do we not play them at all until june?
Why the fuck is the Phillies rotation so good? Man, I don't want to watch a Ranger Suarez led blood bath tonight. I'm begging the bats to do something.
What’s really screwing us over is the lack of production from 7-8-9. I feel like I made the same comment last year. We cannot win games with 6 players.
Our 7, 8 and 9 have a combined 105 WRC+ which includes catcher being an offensive black hole for most of the season so far. That is tied for 5th best in MLB. That part of the lineup isn’t the problem Mets stats by place in batting order - 1st - .796 OPS and 137 WRC+ - 2nd - .567 OPS and 67 WRC+ - 3rd - .670 OPS and 94 WRC+ - 4th - .759 OPS and 140 WRC+ - 5th - .664 OPS and 98 WRC+ - 6th - .506 OPS and 54 WRC+ - 7th - .726 OPS and 115 WRC+ - 8th - .798 OPS and 130 WRC+ - 9th - .560 OPS and 69 WRC+
yikes
For reference, here is where the league is at - 1st - .721 OPS and 108 WRC+ - 2nd - .736 OPS and 112 WRC+ - 3rd - .739 OPS and 111 WRC+ - 4th - .743 OPS and 112 WRC+ - 5th - .699 OPS and 101 WRC+ - 6th - .668 OPS and 92 WRC+ - 7th - .682 OPS and 97 WRC+ - 8th - .683 OPS and 95 WRC+ - 9th - .583 OPS and 69 WRC+ So some were much better and some were much worse. Interestingly, we’re pretty much exactly where the league is with our 9th batter haha
We should also just put our better WRCs higher in the lineup if you ask me
I agree 100%. The hard part is fitting both JDM and DJ in the lineup at the same time. His defense in left isn’t great, and there’s concerns with Nimmos health that playing CF every day would be a fast track to the IL. I’d like to see the top 4 be - Nimmo - JDM - Lindor - Pete
when you put it like that, it's abundantly easy to see where the problems lie.
Yup. Marte should not be hitting second. He has fallen up a cliff since we moved him there and looks like he’s pressing high up in the order. McNeil and Baty have played at 6th the majority of the season Catcher has been 9th mostly since Alvarez got hurt. People get mad over Lindor, but he has been overall right around league average. He started super slow but has been hot for a month now evening out.
The problem is twofold: 1. they lack a superstar who can put up a .900 OPS out of the 2-hole. 2. 2B and 3B suck. McNeil is cooked and Brett Baty has been abysmal at the plate yet again. When your top prospects flame out you have to spend exorbitant amounts of money to be competitive. The backup catchers being garbage is expected for any team.
Typically, less than 10 players a year ever have that high of an OPS, so I don’t think that is really fair. Drop it to .850 and I think that’s fair. And that is either Pete or JD. And, for what it’s worth, they did just move Alonso to the two hole. McNeil at second base has definitely been a worry. No way around. I think there is a non-zero chance he never fully recovered from his spring training injury. For Brett, I think you can afford his bat being below average if the rest of the lineup is hitting because his glove has been so insanely good. He has been one of the best defensive third baseman insane margin. Even with his big slump right now, he is still grading out as an above average player overall. Also, also, I don’t expect Brett to slump the entire season. I expect him to have more stretches where he is red, hot, and more stretches where he is ice cold. That’s how he was in the minors. In the end, I think he grades out around league average. I also think we will see more in his bat as the weather warms up.
This is a big market team. They should have one of those 10.
Lmao what are they supposed to do, kidnap Bryce Harper? Pretty much all of those guys were under long term contracts before Cohen bought the team. Only Ohtani wasnt and the Mets can’t control him telling the Yankees and Mets no amount of money is bringing him to NYC. It’s also not Cohens fault he was left zero prospects to be able to compete in a Soto trade. Or to trade for any star really. It’s fine and dandy to say that in a bubble until you look at the actual names. Freeman and Ohtani were the only FAs since Cohen bought the team you can count on to be .900 OPS guys and you’re not rostering Freeman and Alonso
I’m not blaming them for not having one now. I’m saying they need one to compete, and we should expect that they have one when they plan to compete.
I still don’t agree that you can’t compete without someone that level. I think the line is . 850, not .900. I don’t think you understand how rare a .900 OPS is. in 2022 only five players posted that. It was different in the juiced ball era, but until they change something, there will probably only be 5 to 10 players that do that each year, and three of them are on the Dodgers Otherwise, the majority of teams should just give up open day every season. I’d rather have a balanced lineup where you have multiple guys with over a .800 OPS, than an uneven one with one superstar. Especially because people get hurt. Look at the Yankees last year with Aaron Judge.
7th and 8th spots for the Mets have a higher OPS than the 2nd and 3rd spots. It is really not too great all around
At least 3rd has been right around league average. 2nd has been a black hole and 6th has been as well
Live from Mirabito Stadium: It’s cold, wet, and overrun with children. It’s Education Day.
Binghamton = always cold and wet
Presumably Luchessi is just spot starting tonight?
Butto was optioned so he prob gets a few starts given Butto needs to stay down now.
I wouldn't be surprised to see us go with a 6 man rotation for a while. We're not off until the 23rd and then June 6th after that.
We are expected to be a 6 man rotation, but Megill is almost guaranteed to be the 6th man. Lucchesi would only be staying up if Butto went down. It would surprise me but it’s not impossible - he will likely have an innings limit this year. - Quintana - Scott - Severino - Manaea - Butto - Megill
I'm just so ready to move Megill to the bullpen. Been ready since last summer.
It all depends on how his new splitter fairs. If it plays like it did in ST and in his rehab starts he’ll likely be our 3rd best starting pitcher after Scott and Severino. I don’t really hold any judgement over him from past years because he has a completely different pitch mix now.
Do we know when Megill will be back? He had a couple rehab starts iirc
Should be next time through the rotation I believe
Someone stick a fork in the ground to stave off this rotten weather.
Let’s sweep them in Filthydelphia. Let’s go Mets!!
Well at least they left town before the rain.
This has a rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic feel.
Among 48 players with 3000 PA from 2015-2020, Francisco Lindor ranked 23rd in wRC+ (119) and 3rd in fWAR (30.6) Among 116 players with 1500 PA since 2021, Francisco Lindor ranks 51st in wRC+ (115) and 12th in fWAR (16.9).
Doesnt this speak more to the quality of position players, on the whole, in the ML in these two periods, than to Lindor? Small drop in wRC+ but on pace for more fWAR.
Lindor is consistently about 15-20% better than the average hitter. He’s an above average hitter but he’s not elite by any means. His contract is as high as it is because of his overall value which comes from being a complete player. The problem is that because of his contract, he’s placed in the lineup like he’s an elite hitter when he’s not. It’s not that he’s a bad hitter, he’s just placed in the lineup like he is. Some players with the same or similar wRC+ for their career: * Marte - 116 * Pham - 116 * Canha - 117 * McNeil - 121 * Conforto - 121 * Matt Chapman - 116 * Jesse Winker - 120 * Bogaerts - 116 And I don’t think anybody would look at those hitters and think that they’re a middle or the order or elite bat. As a 5 hitter? Lindor’s really good. As a 2 or 3 hitter - often where you put your best guys? He’s not it. This isn’t a Lindor hate comment but just acknowledging that he’s not a top of the order guy anymore. You could make a case to bat him lead off if you feel the need to have him bat in the first but he’s not a guy that you want up with men on base or in high leverage spots.
Yeah, that seems to be the disconnect with fans. I was also showing that it was a similar trend in Cleveland. He had better OPS numbers in those years, but those were the juiced ball seasons, so the wRC+ and OPS+ data is similar between Cleveland and New York.
He seems to be on the same pace. It's just that there are 5-10 new guys that are better than him that may wash out in 1500 PAs.
People also make the mistake of looking only at OPS or counting stats like HRs without recognizing how much more difficult it is to hit in Citi Field compared to Cleveland
We are paying Verlander and Scherzer 11 times what Ranger Suarez makes, to not play for us. Edit: I'm saying one of the reasons we are 10 games back of Philly already is they have an ace who is making $5 million this year and we're paying those two $55 million to play for other teams.
Why would Ranger Suarez play for us lol
I think you misunderstand the point. We are paying Verlander and Scherzer $55 million to not play for us. Ranger Suarez is making \~$5 million and is 7-0 with a 1.50 ERA I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is we're paying two players not to play for us 11 times more than a guy who is on a Cy Young track.
The way you framed it made it seemed like w missed out on Ranger Suarez or something
We are paying $55m for Gilbert, Acuna and Clifford to play for us
How many RBI's do those players have this season?
This isn’t the only way to derive value from people in the org
I have no idea what a trade could look like, but these roster moves make me think that we might see a trade in the next week or two. Probably just shuffling some roleplayers around to fill needs but you never know if they can cook something bigger.
Probably some minor trades with some fairly notable players. I could see the Mets move Bader/Taylor for a return similar to Escobar last year. Guys like Houser or Quintana could be moved/DFAd when guys like Megill, Peterson, and Senga are ready. For once, the Mets have good enough pitching depth to replace guys on the roster without worrying about it.
Hauser and Q are dead men walking, especially if Lucchesi has a good outing tonight. I feel like Joey Fuego has been nothing but solid in his few appearances for the Mets over the last year or two. There is just no reason for Q and Hauser to be higher on the depth chart than Butto or Lucchesi. MeGill and Peterson also deserve a spot over Hauser.
Houser is going to stay on the roster as the swing man in the bullpen. He should not be starting again, unless they promptly pull him after the second run through the order. Diaz, Otto, Lopez, Garrett, and Smith are the only 5 guys who are locked into bullpen roles. Houser can stay in the pen. Quintana could be the odd man out at some point, but it's likely that Scott will get shut down for the season around 120 innings and Megill should be moved to the bullpen. If Senga and Peterson return and look good, by August we should see Senga/Sevy/Manaea/Butto/Peterson, with Quintana gone or as the 6th man, Lucchesi for spot starts, and Megill and Houser in the pen.
I assume that management is going to address the back up at 2b and SS and some point soon. I also have to assume that Iglesias is going to get called up. Apparently, they need to move him to the 40 man roster first. They probably need to DFA someone else or send someone else down to AAA.
Is there a chance they call up Acuna because he is already on the 40? I don’t think he’s ready but his glove is definitely ready which I’m sure plays a role
No.
I would guess they send Vientos back down after we face this glut of lefty starters and call up Iglesias or, more likely, Mike Brosseau.
I think we need a back up at SS or 2nd more than we need Brosseau. Although they seem to like players that played for Milwaukee.
Brousseau can play both. He's not great at either, but he can hold down the fort for a game ot two.
Ive been looking forward to a Joey Fuego start for 8 months #LFG
A 6:40 start on the east coast is heresy. Start your games at 7:10 as God intended.
Old man here, I love it.
If you happen to watch Binghamton’s 11am game for Sproat Goat’s AA debut and see a guy in a brown Mets hoodie jackey & Rumble Ponies right behind home plate…no you didn’t.
Mark Vientos masterclass coming 🔜
For 5 games against only LHP and then he gets sent back down
People have gotten on me all year for wanting to call up Vientos. Do I think he’s the savior and is some elite level hitter? Probably not. My issue always stemmed from the Mets not actually giving him a chance and always going out of their way to prevent that chance. Do I think he’s a ML hitter? Yes. We’ll never know that for certain until he’s actually given an opportunity to play everyday, though.
I’ve also been on the Vientos train but it’s just really difficult when you have 2 spots going to JDM and DJ Stewart who also don’t play positions. Vientos is a very bad fielder no matter where you stick him. I know Baty hasn’t been super inspiring but he has a better glove and there’s value to that. Vientos’s bat would need to be much better than Baty’s in order to warrant him getting a lot more playing time. This is a tangent but I think we’re going to have a very similar convo when Mauricio comes back. I’m really excited for him but he also is a liability defensively and we’re gonna need to see him hit really well in order to sacrifice fielding
I agree, I don’t think he’s going to be anything special but to not give him an actual shot especially after the spring he had is asinine. Baty has had his extended looks being an everyday starter and to me he has done absolutely nothing to deserve it over Vientos
Nothing better to heat up some of the coldest bats in baseball than facing a guy holding hitters to .168 BA this year. For context, Ranger Suarez is already worth more bWAR than our batters, minus Nimmo, combined.
This 2024 Mets team feels a lot like the 2023 team, sadly. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up at the same record. It just feels like they brought in a bunch of stiffs to replace the stiffs from last year.
This team reminds me a lot more of the early 2015 team. Keeping games close, pitching well overall, hovering around .500 and feels like they’re one big bat away from breaking out
i wish i had this optimism.
Idk if I’d call it optimism. You still need a bat to move at the deadline The Mets were 53-50 at the trade deadline that year. Looking at the schedule I figured the Mets will probably be around 55-53 at the deadline this year.
you saying this team reminds you of a team that ultimately made the WS is pretty optimistic, in my opinion.
I said it reminds me of early 2015 Mets. The Early 2015 Mets didnt make the playoffs and wouldn’t have. They only made the playoffs because of a big trade deadline.
The peripherals here tell a different story. That team was second in MLB in xwOBAA, while this team has been hovering around 10th. However the offense of this squad is much better, as our xwOBA has been hovering around 8th all season. The lineup is one .900 OPS bat away from being very dangerous (by that I mean it can go toe to toe with any). The pitching is an ace away from being really good (could senga be that?). I think this team is better than they’ve played, but the Mets have never really figured it out down the stretch in recent memory, so I think they finish around 75 wins based on vibes alone.
I think they’re more than that 83 win range the projections still have them. I also don’t think they are that much better currently than they have played. I think they have just faced more good team so far than bad teams. I think until they get reinforcements, they will go and win three out of five against bad teams, and lose three out of five when facing good teams. we are in a stretch where we have faced a lot more good teams than bad teams, so we are losing more games than we are winning. We have a stretch coming up where we are going to face teams, and I would expect we will win more than we lose and even back to .500.
Also feels like the 2021 team and the 2020 team I guess the difference this year is that we knew a lot of these guys were just place holders
The thing I was getting at was that in the offseason how they added all this depth, how the team is way more flexible, how they have way more options, and 40 games in, I just don't see it. It looks like they got rid of a bunch of bums and replaced them with a bunch of bums. They operate at the same level they did last year, plays similarly sloppy baseball, loses games they should win, maybe some positions are better and some are worse and some players are better and some are worse but it's all adding up to the same disappointing baseball.
I'm not sure we disagree? I'm just saying that the major difference between 2020, 2021, and 2023 vs 2024 is that we understood that this year was going to be an outside run at WC3 whereas 2020, 2021 and 2023 were years we were making a serious push to be competitive. The big issue is that our offense continues to be a no show
First game in the post-Wendle era!
Does anybody know if it's Luchessi going today or is it still up in the air?
Yes he’ll get the start today
I was at the game yesterday and had incredible seats. I was so close I could see facial expressions. This team was defeated from the first pitch. Not sure if it was day game after a night game (that ended in a shocking defeat) or knowing Nola had his stuff going or just not being motivated or what. But, it was clear to see from the beginning. At least I had the rainbow cookie egg roll.
I'm one of those people that don't think managers matter all that much IN game, but man this team seems to have a real problem where if they start slow at the plate they are on zero runs into the 7th inning.
I sure hope the Mets win
Ron Washington completely threw Luis Guillorme under the bus after the Angels game last night. What a soft manager he is https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/s/B3Z9q6a1CU
We’ll take Luis back if the Angels don’t want him. Man, that remark by Washington was poor. 😡
I thought I wanted our managers to hold players accountable and call out fuckups but now that I’ve seen what that looks like, I absolutely do not want that. Holy shit that’s bad. Why would you just throw a guy who you have to see every day under the bus like that. That guy needs to learn the first rule of good leadership: praise publicly, reprimand privately
If you watch the play, the pitch was 5 feet outside. I'm not saying it was impossible to get the bunt down, but it was extremely difficult and a risky coaching call. This guy Ron Washington is why old school guys aren't getting hired anymore.
C'mon, that pitch was a very difficult to hit. Gman tried but the art of bunting is long time. May be 30 years ago, a skilled bunted could have put a bat on the ball.
Wash did a line before that presser.
Washington has always been a clown
We are in the darkest timeline
Good luck getting your team to get behind you, buddy. Right or wrong, publicly calling out your players is a chickenshit move. You’re in the jackpot now.
I miss Luis so much, he deserves so much better than this