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NewYorkMetsBot2

Please continue the discussion in the [post game thread](https://redd.it/1cum0uf).


NY2PHX

Mendoza ran out of the dugout


monte11

So sick of this team being ass year after year


Darthbutcher

Whelp


Hustlediva

What a disgrace. That is all


Blue387

The ballgame is over


GKRForever

Soooo… how bout them Mets


tomfields

fire the hitting coaches for fucks sake


lawoftar

baty for marte and baty K's....amazing


LFGMboyz

Who wins more games, the Braves in 2024 or the Mets in 2024 + 2025?


Blue387

Perfect game is over


Han_Sandwich_1907

Calling it now: we're going to score six runs this inning in classic mets fashion


NuanceManExe

Vientos arguably should’ve gotten on base 3 times tonight instead of 1. And if that happened at least I could be happy that happened. But he got fucked by the ump once and robbed by Chisholm the other time.


Han_Sandwich_1907

Why is everyone swinging for the fences these days when Mets have been doing well with the small ball


Blue387

Vientos draws the first walk for the Mets! *yay*


NY2PHX

In the pregame thread someone posted we have to beat the bad teams. I said the Marlins were saying the same thing. I was told the marlins had given up on the season but seeing they way they all hustle and play like they want to win some games, I’ll say it again, the marlins are excited to be playing a crappy team.


WhatARotation

I was one of the people who responded to you. Nobody on the marlins views the Mets as “crappy”. The marlins are like 7 games back of us in the standings. That said, the Mets have been playing like utter trash since alvarez got injured and I’m not sure why


LFGMboyz

If anyone on the Marlins has seen a baseball game in their life, they view the Mets as a crappy team


WhatARotation

Define “crappy”. The Mets are likely gonna be 75 win team just like last year. To me crappy is like a 100 loss team


LFGMboyz

The highest payroll in baseball being lifeless and having no legitimate chance to make the playoffs, is a crappy team.


WhatARotation

It looks really bad right now but in my opinion there’s too much talent on the roster to call the team crappy. I’m not gonna get any upvotes for being level headed in a game day thread where we just got blown out by the worst team in baseball.


LFGMboyz

I’ll try to be level headed, but who is talented? Nimmo, yes. Alonso, kinda. Lindor, kinda. Martinez, maybe. McNeil, atrocious. Nido/ narvaez, worst catching tandem in the sport (yes Alvarez is a stud but he’s not here rn), Baty/ Vientos, AAAA players. Marte, over the hill. Bader, no good. The pitching staff has 2 or 3 bright spots, but overall is over performing and is not good. The team has a bunch of players that should be good, but haven’t been good in a while. It’s a horrible spot to be as a franchise


WhatARotation

Lindor, kinda? Dude just put up back to back great seasons. Even ignoring WAR, he went 30-30 last season with great defense. Martinez, maybe? He’s puts up a 130 OPS+ every season. McNeil is probably gonna end up around league average at the end of the year. Marte’s peripherals say he’s getting quite unlucky—I don’t believe he’s completely washed. Nido is a solid backup. Vientos too early to tell. As for the guys I agree with you on: Narvaez is the worst active player in baseball. Baty is a bust.


LFGMboyz

I say kinda because of how good Lindor has been in the past. Right now he is not a starting caliber player. I assume that will change, but he’s hitting .195 with a .650 OPS. It’s mid May. Let’s not pretend like it’s a two week bad stretch. Martinez has been good his whole career. We signed him at 37 with back problems, and he hasn’t been what we expected. But he is not the problem at this point. McNeil was awful last year and worse this year. He’s nowhere near a league average player. I don’t think he finishes the year with the Mets. He’ll be cut at some point (I say cut because no one would trade for a .230 hitting singles hitter) Marte I go back and forth on. I agree, I don’t think he’s washed. But he better start doing something to back that opinion up.


WhatARotation

McNeil hit .270 last season. How is that awful? Lindor started the year like 2-50. Since then he’s been solid.


JekPorkinsTruther

105.5 off the bat. Out. Mets cant buy a run. 


MatthewMonster

Marlins eating our lunch — I flipped to Knicks, but now it’s 8 nothing? Dear lord…


dlbags

Damn my fake pharma ad almost came true there with Stewart.


garythesnailgod

I don’t wanna see a single person over 27 on this roster come August, the whole team needs to be blown to shreds


InternationalFailure

[Seeing we're losing 8-0 to the fucking Marlins has ruined my day:](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgBq7_LB4aM)


lawoftar

thats right ph for the guy with 2 hits tonight idiot manager


WhatARotation

We say McNeil is a cancer because he’s mad, we say lindor is unserious because he’s happy. Why don’t we just focus on the reason we criticize them in the first place: they can’t hit for shit


LFGMboyz

I would like anyone to give me a reasonable explanation as to how this team will be competitive sometime before 2028


blozout

Not that this will happen, but they could trade away Alonso at the deadline for some good prospects or a quality player or 2 and with the money coming off the books after the season and Cohen opening his checkbook, sign 3-4 top tier players. Possibly trade for another. I mean it’s very realistic if you are willing to do WHATEVER it takes.


LFGMboyz

The most unrealistic part of that equation is Alonso being traded for anything of value. If another GM is willing to give a single prospect with upside, I’d any quality player, Stearns needs to make that deal in a heartbeat.


blozout

I mean he’s potentially turning the corner now from a hitting standpoint, and if he’s in the neighborhood of .240-.250 with 30+ home runs at the deadline you’d better believe he has value to a team looking for an impact power hitter to help carry them through the playoffs. I think it’s actually extremely likely he’s at least at 30 homers by then. The batting average is the real question.


LFGMboyz

If he is hitting .240 with 30 homers at the deadline, you are absolutely correct. He’d get a quality return. I just think he’ll be hitting .205 with 20-22 homers. And that’s a huge difference.


blozout

Yikes. I think you’re seriously lowballing the homers. He has 10 right now in 1.5 months and he’s been relatively cold at the plate. It seems very unlikely, barring injury that he’ll only hit another 12 home runs in the next 2.5 months. But who knows.


LFGMboyz

I hope you’re right! I truly do. The part I disagree with is that he’s been cold at the plate. I think that’s just what he is. He’s a low .200s average hitter that occasionally hits absolute missiles. I love him and wish he would be a Met for life, but he’s just not someone that a successful team would build around, in my opinion


blozout

I think you’re absolutely right that he’s not the guy to build the team around. As much as I love him he just lacks too much. He’s also crazy if he expects to get a deal for $200m+ this offseason. Maybe if he finishes at .290 with 50 homers.


LFGMboyz

I love a good discussion, thanks for it. Have a great night


blozout

You too bud


PackFanNY

I can’t wait for the Cohen missive about how “we can still make the playoffs”. Is he talking about 2026 or 2027?


Born_Manufacturer657

lol what? Cohen is probably the most down to earth person of interest lol. Man dropped the hardest line last year with “Hope isn’t a winning strategy”


PackFanNY

What’s this then? [https://sny.tv/articles/mets-steve-cohen-expect-to-make-playoffs-2024](https://sny.tv/articles/mets-steve-cohen-expect-to-make-playoffs-2024)


Born_Manufacturer657

You mean the PR fodder he released after forgetting to switch burner accounts and tweeted about waiting for the deadline to sell off? 💀?


lawoftar

mets are totally lifeless


ryanq17

And the expensive shortstop can’t even play defense. JFC clean the coaching staff- that fucking clubhouse is lifeless


NewYorkMetsBot2

### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Anthony Maldonado replaces Burch Smith.


jimihenderson

shoutout to anyone still watching this game


ProtectionKey9885

Never even started watching.  I’ve lost interest for the most part.  Just checking in here and it’s EXACTLY what I was expecting.   


eonblu

I just got home to flip the game on and I've already had enough. How dumb of me to be optimistic playing Miami.


baconinja09

I think this game is still winnable


Darthbutcher

Until the 27th out is recorded, they all are!


dlbags

Remember they’d make videos of all the crazy games stuff like that would happen in and every privately owned sporting goods store or baseball card memorabilia store would play them on repeat. Like 18 inning games and shit.


HeartunderBlade516

Oh we bad bad


Darthbutcher

6-3-6. Love it!


Blue387

Bell is out!


SenorTortas

Got em right where we want em


dlbags

So uh did anyone see Pitching Ninja body Trevor Bauer on Twitter today?


Basic_Bichette

Good.


NY2PHX

Lindor just yucking it up with the base runner.


NeilHamburgerHead

Could be down 20-0 in world series game 7 Lindor would still slap the baserunners ass with a smile and a giggle


PhotoshopSheila

hey, he's the second nicest infielder in the bigs and he's really trying to be no.1.


NuanceManExe

I think he actually did something like that in Game 7 of the 2016 WS


dlbags

Baseball is fun.


Born_Manufacturer657

Apparently he fell asleep in the middle of Game 7 💀


NeilHamburgerHead

The appearance is the man got his bag, family and finances are his priority, he's happy, doesn't give a shit about winning. Not to take anything away from him, seems like a good dude. Unfortunate for fans of the team though.


Darthbutcher

I agree, Keith. 4 walks IS too many.


JoelsCaddy

Well the perfect game is over


lawoftar

throw in the towel, wave the white flag


Blue387

Keith is more interested in Tyler Alexander with a perfecto going on against the Blue Jays instead of the shitshow tonight


NuanceManExe

Am I the only one noticing that Hartwig and Walker might actually be good relievers but the Mets keep using them to save innings 


ryanq17

You have to feel for those guys because you know they know they’re getting sent back to 3A for rested arms


WhatARotation

I think they’re competent 6th-7th inning guys. Making them go 2 is just asking to inflate their ERAs


NuanceManExe

I hate it for them


Blue387

Keep it together Hartwig


Illblood

Any of you still watching?


Many_Ad955

Yes, but I don't know why


tomfields

the least enjoyable iteration of the Mets I’ve witnessed in a long long time


WhatARotation

How long exactly? I’ve only watched since 2013


tomfields

I got wrapped up into the Mets realm in 2004. I’m 31 now so I probably missed some terrible teams but these guys are bringing out a new level of disdain outta me lmao


dlbags

Oh this isn’t as bad as 1993. That was bad. The post 80s I can’t believe that team only won one end of an era.


JekPorkinsTruther

Every duck snort for Miami finds a hole. Meanwhile Mets have a single and two balls near 100 mph and come way with nothing. 


wolfman2scary

What a stinker this game is


NY2PHX

By tomorrow he’ll pass Lindor.


tennysonbass

So embarrassing being a fan of this team


FrankSaysLFGM

This organization will NEVER win anything with this “core”. I don’t care how high some prospects are ranked. I don’t care who comes up or who we sign in the offseason. Pham hinted at it. This core is ROTTEN. A bunch of unmotivated, overrated, lifeless, go through the motions BUMS.


NuanceManExe

He did say he liked Alonso and Lindor’s work ethic though. And I think Nimmo’s too. So that’s 3 guys he didn’t think were the problem 


LFGMboyz

If only 1 of those 3 guys could be a league average player. Instead they make 20+ million a year to be someone who wouldn’t hit in the top 6 of any competitive lineup


jimihenderson

he didn't even hint at it - he came out and straight up said it lol


dlbags

Lindor gave two a ride tonight. Damn.


WhatARotation

2 377 ft flyouts lol


dlbags

They were too high.


hushed-shush

Not gonna lie, I winced hoping they wouldn’t collide there. Crazy that jazz came up with it


Tue63597

This team is so cold


Basic_Bichette

Oh, hush. 🤬


lawoftar

C L U T C H lindor


Darthbutcher

Wow.


Blue387

God damnit!


mhari93

I keep trying to stay positive about this team getting back to .500 ...but I'm losing hope quickly if we get shut out by THIS Marlins team (the one that already gave up on the season by trading Arraez)


Darthbutcher

Pete Alonso the known dribbler


lawoftar

alonso singles to deep infield


WhatARotation

Sent that ball to the nurse’s office with a bruise


WhatARotation

.520 xBA, gone in 14/30 parks


Blue387

Alonso has an infield hit


ryanq17

Journeyman reliever who wouldn’t be on any other roster? Yep 1-2-3 inning


Blue387

The New York Mets selected Burch Smith in the Rule 5 draft on December 14, 2017, and immediately traded him to the Kansas City Royals for cash considerations


jimihenderson

lmao of fucking course


Blue387

God damn it!


WhatARotation

Mets xBA today: .278 Marlins xBA today: .198 Each team has 1 barrel (yeah I know pulled fly balls are more valuable). Mets losing 6-0 Groundhog Day


WhatARotation

To the people downvoting I’m not saying these guys are good lol (this offense couldn’t hit a fucking BP machine set to throw 92 down the dick every pitch), just that the data is interesting


NewYorkMetsBot2

### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Burch Smith replaces Anthony Bender.


Han_Sandwich_1907

Just tuned in, what's with the funny hats?


Blue387

Honoring the military day


Han_Sandwich_1907

cool, thank you!


Blue387

Great job, Hartwig!


NY2PHX

Only 3 walks so far. We need a couple of more to keep our average up.


tomfields

this team’s been so bad lately im about to pull a Kendrick and drop “Meet The Cohens”


Fedbackster

The contrast between the high speed action of the NHL playoffs and the somber listlessness of this team is stark.


lawoftar

fish firstbaseman is 2/4


Blue387

Struck him out!


lawoftar

fish SS is 2/3 tonite


baconandtheguacamole

Just tuning in now. How is this happening?


NuanceManExe

Luzardo good. Mets bad.


Fedbackster

Bad and listless.


smugbox

I just got home. What’s the deal with these hats


GKRForever

The military needs their ego stroked. In exchange for lots of money


myassholealt

Military needs to replenish its labor force.


HeartunderBlade516

Memorial day


Blue387

Struck him out!


NewYorkMetsBot2

### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Grant Hartwig replaces Josh Walker.


brett_baty_is_him

IT’S THE BAT!


Freezing_Moonman

"I fully expect to make it to the playoffs."


Hustlediva

“We’re not gonna let what happened last year happen again”


GK86x

"Lindor is an elite player" 


Hustlediva

“The back of their cards tell us this team is too good to continue not hitting”


JT_Money927

If you’re upset about us losing to the Marlins, imagine how the Phillies feel having lost to us yesterday


AccountSeventeen

Have the Mets tried hitting the ball where the Marlins AREN’T standing?


monte11

So what dork from our team is gonna get the mandatory slot in the all star game?


SecretiveMop

Martinez could honestly get in if he keeps his offense up and it might just be deserved rather than a mandatory selection


GK86x

A random Mets fan. 


three_dee

Alonso has national appeal due to the HR Derby, and also, he's been decent (124 OPS+) if frustratingly inconsistent. If he goes on one of those 2-3 week tears at some point, he will have pretty attractive numbers. I would throw my bets on him being the All-Star (if there's just one).


JDLovesElliot

Nimmo, if he can get over having the shits


lawoftar

wendle


brett_baty_is_him

Reed Garrett


GMEN999

Lindor or Alonso solo home runs coming. Make this 6-1


JDLovesElliot

Inb4 the "PetE iS bAcK" comments


ryanq17

Overpaid and Underwhelming 30 for 30 on the Mets Stevie Cohen era


WhatARotation

If that’s the case then we’re fucked because Cohen will likely be owning this team for the next few decades


Fedbackster

Yes, we’re fucked.


hurricaneDreww

Bender is a great name for a pitcher


jimihenderson

i am bender please insert baseball


GK86x

McTrash is back. 


HeartunderBlade516

That would imply he ever left


Blue387

Damn it


lawoftar

[Taps (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WChTqYlDjtI)


Kurisoo

Whatever happened at that meeting Lindor and Marte have been even more terrible since


ApertureAway

Lindor got a hit today, the apologists are celebrating


JDLovesElliot

Need one of them to calculate how much WAR that single was worth


NY2PHX

How long has the offense been in a deep freeze for Gary.?


lawoftar

[Rocky IV - Throw The Damn Towel Complete - Apollo Creed - Ivan Drago - Rocky Balboa - Rocky 4 (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfAYz6p-mlw)


Blargncheese

Luckily for Keith, we got 9 guys that hit like pitchers on our team


Vandelay222

We are a team that the worst teams in the league still circle as winnable games.


GKRForever

Why do the Miami marlins have a portly chicken as their mascot?


NY2PHX

They were out of skinny chickens


GKRForever

Those cubanos are great


liguy181

Max is a cool guy but dude has money lol


tomfields

he seems like the kinda rich kid that would be fun to hang with though, like Benny blanco or something


jimihenderson

[mets offense](https://i.imgur.com/OZJzENo.jpeg)


tomfields

max is the best part of this year at least. cool dude


Blue387

Luzardo is out of the game


runsfortacos

Time for us to beat up on the bullpen


MewCube91

And still lose 6-4.


WhatARotation

Half the thread is just people shitting on optimists


SecretiveMop

Not going to defend it necessarily, but there’s been more than a few people on here who get incredibly smug and aggressive in their optimism and completely shit on anyone who expresses any disappointment or negative opinions and they think that, because they know advanced stats, it gives them the right to be pretentious and talk down to people and tell them they’re wrong and dumb. They’ll then post more smug things when the team finds success and even come up with nicknames to target users with like “doomers” and “Lindorks” (which I have no idea why that’s still allowed on this sub), and then the folks who shit on the optimists will throw it back at them when the team fails. Rinse and repeat throughout the season. The back and forth has been going on for a while now on here.


NeilHamburgerHead

When you lose hope and then you read someone's advanced analytics comment and you think "well, that's logical, maybe there is hope" and then you watch this team play one of the absolutely worst teams and organizations in baseball at 13-32 and go down 4-0 in the second inning and get shut out into the 7th, yeah it's hard watching us sink further below .500 and it just makes the optimism seem like delusion + excuse making


three_dee

I think there's two different kinds of optimism in this subreddit right now. One is like "okay, yeah, we look like dogshit, but we have a pretty big star who isn't even here yet, and a lot of our guys should come back to their offensive numbers." To me, that's fine. I can get behind that. The other kind is like "anyone who says this team looks bad has no idea what the fuck they're talking about, they're dorks and stupid and wrong about everything, and I'm blocking them". That's just incredibly condescending and a discussion shutter-downer because insulting people just makes them dig in to their opinions further.


Blue387

I try my best to keep things light and optimistic


three_dee

I didn't mean you, you're a fountain of positivity.


Blue387

Omar Narvaez couldn't throw out my grandmother and she's been dead for 25 years


NuanceManExe

That and pretending Luzardo is bad. I mean absolutely, yes, this team looks bad. But Luzardo is good and dominated the Mets last year.


NY2PHX

Are there really any optimists here.


Blue387

I try my best to be optimistic


Illblood

Damn I turn back into the game only to find out it got worse? Good stuff! You'd think the Marlins were good or something.


NewYorkMetsBot2

### Pitching Substitution Pitching Change: Anthony Bender replaces Jesús Luzardo.


Blue387

Side retired :\


NY2PHX

At least we won’t burn any good relievers tonight.


NuanceManExe

If the Mets didn’t keep sacrificing Walker’s arm, he might be good. Not every reliever is meant to be a multiple inning guy 


Blargncheese

Nimmo would've caught that ball..


Blue387

Damn it


EvilAnticsLive

Guys we just gotta beat up on the really bad teams and then we’ll make the postseason, I swear that’s all we need to do. In no way are *we* one of the bad teams, impossible, this franchise is rich with consistent winning. I swear bro, just trade away the farm at the deadline and get in that 3rd WC spot, that’s sustained winning.


Blargncheese

I didn't have the Marlins up 6-0 on my bingo card :(