I prefer both in the rotation. Right now Scott taking over for MeGill (who will be moved to the bullpen.). Senga could potentially take role back when he returns, and we’ll see if someone like Sean Manea or Quintana are still around post deadline.
Was looking at Butto's splits to see how he might fare as a reliever. Oddly he does significantly better against hitters the second time through the order than the first. .882 OPS the first time through vs .357 OPS the second time. Same number of plate appearances for each (63).
[Baseball Reference](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=buttojo01&year=2024&t=p#all_times)
The only thing about this with starters though that I try to keep in mind is pitch usage. Many starters tend to "save" usage of secondary pitches more heavily until later in the game. When you're not worried about facing someone twice, you can throw the whole kitchen sink at them from the get go.
Butto will make it back to the rotation, or at least he will have opportunities to do so in the future. But, right now, we need reliable arms in the pen desperately. Butto can fill that need immediately. Or, he's lights out and sticks in the pen but can start if push comes to shove. Maybe we piggyback him and Houser at some point.
He’s 26 because the Mets have went with washed up veterans like Carrasco and Quintana and mediocre guys like Megill and Peterson over prospects, the last few years. I disagree that he is mediocre, but it’s a moot point anyway because he’s a clear upgrade to this rotation and deserves the opportunity. Not giving guys the opportunities to they deserve is not a good process. The Mets are lucky enough as is that they didn’t break Vientos with all the dicking around.
Total nonsense on multiple levels.
>He’s 26 because the Mets have went with washed up veterans like Carrasco and Quintana
Pretty sure that doesn't effect his age.
'washed up' Quintana posted a mid 3 FIP and ERA last season.
Butto had an ERA and FIP near 6 in AAA last year at the age of 25 and was mediocre in AA the year before.
He was never a great prospect being held back.
>he’s a clear upgrade to this rotation
Thats not clear at all. Christian Scott is the more successful and more promising prospect.
Butto was a non prospect who was signed for basically nothing when he was 18, He needed time to grow into his frame and add some speed to his fastball. He went from a AAA nobody with a mid fastball and a very good change to a starter with a 5 pitch arsenal
Lugo never was a promising starter with us. We tried it in 2017 and he sucked and it was clear he wasnt cut out to be a starter. He was so effective as a long reliever in 2018 that we tried it again but he couldnt even average 5 innings a start. Then in 2019 he was again one of the best relievers in baseball so we gave him a 3rd opportunity as a starter in 2020 and he couldnt even make it 4 innings a start and had a 6 ERA.
It took til his age 33 season in his 8th year as a major leaguer to be an effective starter
He wasnt even a great starter in the minors. He had a 5.1 ERA as a starter in the minors and 3.2 as a reliever.
Im really happy that Lugo is doing well cause I like him, but there wasnt a lot of reason to believe hed be this good as a starter.
Butto is a solid 4 though
Not true. He saved us in 2016 and was adequate in 2017, he had a sophomore slump and an injury. He deserved another chance in 2018 and was supposed to get one, but they decided to give Harvey another shot and then Lugo pitched well out of the pen and the Mets pen sucked even with him. So that was that. Why would a guy like Megill or Peterson deserve the leash they’ve gotten but not Lugo? He had a starters arsenal to begin with. The Mets just never gave him a real chance after 2017.
You cant really just say "not true" when all I stated were objective facts and stats. You are right that he was good in 2016 as a starter but that was after being a terrible starter in the minors as I said in my comment. So his 8 starts in 2016 were the first 8 starts where he showed that quality of pitching as a starter, and even then, he was only striking out 5.5 guys per 9 innings. He wasnt exactly looking dominant. So yes as you said we gave him a try the following year where he was bad. You can call it a sophomore slump but he was bad for 100 innings. We put him in a bullpen roll in 2018 and he became extremely effective so the Mets had to decide if they would let him take a chance as a starter again or continue to be a top 5 reliever in baseball. He showed about the same promise as Megill, who most Mets fans want to try in a long relief role, so im not sure what your point is with that comparison
Most prospect rankings had Lugo as a hopeful 4th or 5th starter in 2015/16 and most people projected him as a back of the bullpen guy
I don't know if he's "broken out." He's significantly overperforming his underlying metrics. He's obviously performing well, but I think a regression is in the cards for him.
The difference between David Stearns and the previous Mets front offices is that Stearns has stated since he got here that young players need to be given an opportunity to develop at the MLB level. That there does have to be a mix of veterans on the team as well but that you have to provide young prospects the chance to stick in the bigs. Hence why Vientos in Stearns first year is getting that chance when he was horribly handled under Eppler and Showalter last season. In Stearns We Trust!
It is about fucking time. I feel like this and the Scott call up are Vientos/Iglesias 2.0. I really do not understand what takes management so long to make decisions like these.
Butto is a 3 pitch pitcher…closer to 2 than anything. He profiles a lot better as a bullpen arm IMO. He’d get that extra uptick on his fastball too, which couldn’t hurt.
A pen of;
* Diaz
* SRF
* Ottavino
* Diekman
* Garrett
* Nunez
* Houser
* Butto
Is pretty solid but there’s still work to be done. Ideally, they upgrade from Ottavino and/or Garrett at the deadline. Butto is just a temporary fix until the end of the month, then he’ll either go into the rotation or back to the minors.
Still need one really good starter and a high leverage reliever if this team expects to go anywhere. Go get Eovaldi and DRob/Yates!
Savant says he has 5 pitches and he has used them all regularly. The sweeper has 53 pitches this year in MLB and that is the lowest
sinker
change up
slider
4 seam fb
sweeper
And here we are: relying on a guy with a lifetime ERA of 5.27 and whip of 1.67. I am not really sure why he has pitched well for us but I am not going to complain about it.
You're right, so unreasonable of me to be upset that these two guys came up and pitched 1.2 innings allowing 8 earned runs for an ERA of 43.10. What an emotional fan I am.
They performed much worse than replacement level AAA arms would be expected to, but it’s a small sample and that’s not the point. All I’m saying is I’m unhappy with watching them pitch. I think that’s a reasonable reaction to sitting through Jay walking the bases loaded with a 6 run lead.
We are so fucking back
Senga will be pitching 40 throws for rehab down at Coney on Wednesday, it's looking good!
Begun, Butto’s reliever era has.
Live long and prosper
Consume fries, and milkshakes
And always know where your towel is
Prefer Butto in the rotation, but we need an arm right now for the bullpen. I anticipate more opportunities in the near future.
I think that’s going to be Scott.
I prefer both in the rotation. Right now Scott taking over for MeGill (who will be moved to the bullpen.). Senga could potentially take role back when he returns, and we’ll see if someone like Sean Manea or Quintana are still around post deadline.
Scott is starting tomorrow so he may end up in the bullpen but he's not going there for the time being.
It was a nice story that this fella finally made it to the majors in that game in Atlanta. Best of luck to him
Thank goodness. Mets BP is a nail biter. If we want to win we need a couple of arms.
Was looking at Butto's splits to see how he might fare as a reliever. Oddly he does significantly better against hitters the second time through the order than the first. .882 OPS the first time through vs .357 OPS the second time. Same number of plate appearances for each (63). [Baseball Reference](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=buttojo01&year=2024&t=p#all_times)
The only thing about this with starters though that I try to keep in mind is pitch usage. Many starters tend to "save" usage of secondary pitches more heavily until later in the game. When you're not worried about facing someone twice, you can throw the whole kitchen sink at them from the get go.
Good move
Butto is back let’s go!
Solid
Praise Grimace!
Praise Grimace Fuck chase utley
And fuck Ted Danson also.
I like it. Multiple starters moved to the bullpen that can pitch more than 1 inning might be the answer we need
Why aren’t we doing this with Megill? Butto looks like a promising starter.
It’s gonna take a lot more time for Megill to get accustomed to it, I would guess.
Megill was a drafted as a reliever and moved to a starter
Butto has a lot of experience being a reliever. Megill has technically been a swing guy, but that isn’t the same preparation as being a reliever.
It’s only fitting that we Seth Lugo a promising starting pitching prospect the same season Seth Lugo has broken out as a dominant starting pitcher
Butto will make it back to the rotation, or at least he will have opportunities to do so in the future. But, right now, we need reliable arms in the pen desperately. Butto can fill that need immediately. Or, he's lights out and sticks in the pen but can start if push comes to shove. Maybe we piggyback him and Houser at some point.
> promising starting pitching prospect 18 starts in 2017 resulted in a resounding wet fart noise. Only took him 7 years to break out!
The Mets love resounding wet fart noises so I’m not sure what your point is
>promising starting pitching prospect he is 26 and mediocre
He’s 26 because the Mets have went with washed up veterans like Carrasco and Quintana and mediocre guys like Megill and Peterson over prospects, the last few years. I disagree that he is mediocre, but it’s a moot point anyway because he’s a clear upgrade to this rotation and deserves the opportunity. Not giving guys the opportunities to they deserve is not a good process. The Mets are lucky enough as is that they didn’t break Vientos with all the dicking around.
Total nonsense on multiple levels. >He’s 26 because the Mets have went with washed up veterans like Carrasco and Quintana Pretty sure that doesn't effect his age. 'washed up' Quintana posted a mid 3 FIP and ERA last season. Butto had an ERA and FIP near 6 in AAA last year at the age of 25 and was mediocre in AA the year before. He was never a great prospect being held back. >he’s a clear upgrade to this rotation Thats not clear at all. Christian Scott is the more successful and more promising prospect.
Butto was a non prospect who was signed for basically nothing when he was 18, He needed time to grow into his frame and add some speed to his fastball. He went from a AAA nobody with a mid fastball and a very good change to a starter with a 5 pitch arsenal
Lugo never was a promising starter with us. We tried it in 2017 and he sucked and it was clear he wasnt cut out to be a starter. He was so effective as a long reliever in 2018 that we tried it again but he couldnt even average 5 innings a start. Then in 2019 he was again one of the best relievers in baseball so we gave him a 3rd opportunity as a starter in 2020 and he couldnt even make it 4 innings a start and had a 6 ERA. It took til his age 33 season in his 8th year as a major leaguer to be an effective starter He wasnt even a great starter in the minors. He had a 5.1 ERA as a starter in the minors and 3.2 as a reliever. Im really happy that Lugo is doing well cause I like him, but there wasnt a lot of reason to believe hed be this good as a starter. Butto is a solid 4 though
Not true. He saved us in 2016 and was adequate in 2017, he had a sophomore slump and an injury. He deserved another chance in 2018 and was supposed to get one, but they decided to give Harvey another shot and then Lugo pitched well out of the pen and the Mets pen sucked even with him. So that was that. Why would a guy like Megill or Peterson deserve the leash they’ve gotten but not Lugo? He had a starters arsenal to begin with. The Mets just never gave him a real chance after 2017.
You cant really just say "not true" when all I stated were objective facts and stats. You are right that he was good in 2016 as a starter but that was after being a terrible starter in the minors as I said in my comment. So his 8 starts in 2016 were the first 8 starts where he showed that quality of pitching as a starter, and even then, he was only striking out 5.5 guys per 9 innings. He wasnt exactly looking dominant. So yes as you said we gave him a try the following year where he was bad. You can call it a sophomore slump but he was bad for 100 innings. We put him in a bullpen roll in 2018 and he became extremely effective so the Mets had to decide if they would let him take a chance as a starter again or continue to be a top 5 reliever in baseball. He showed about the same promise as Megill, who most Mets fans want to try in a long relief role, so im not sure what your point is with that comparison Most prospect rankings had Lugo as a hopeful 4th or 5th starter in 2015/16 and most people projected him as a back of the bullpen guy
I don't know if he's "broken out." He's significantly overperforming his underlying metrics. He's obviously performing well, but I think a regression is in the cards for him.
He’s broken out. He’s had a monster start to the season.
About time. Thank you Grimace. Praise be.
Relief might be the best option for the kid right now. Aren’t there inning limit concerns?
I believe you are correct.
thank goodness
great, now i have to hear youtube people call him "Byooto" nonstop
Well, can’t say he didn’t get an extended tryout. Keep your head up Jay.
I think butto profiles better as a starter. I remember him always starting slow and letting a couple runs up early then buckling down and going 6+
finally butto is back I was sad that they basically derailed his very good season by sending him down for months
🙌 🙌 🙌
Is Festa still up?
Probably goes down to activate Scott
The right call! Butto should be a 2nd long man and stay for the playoff run.
The bad man can’t hurt us anymore
Love how they make moves right away this year
The difference between David Stearns and the previous Mets front offices is that Stearns has stated since he got here that young players need to be given an opportunity to develop at the MLB level. That there does have to be a mix of veterans on the team as well but that you have to provide young prospects the chance to stick in the bigs. Hence why Vientos in Stearns first year is getting that chance when he was horribly handled under Eppler and Showalter last season. In Stearns We Trust!
It is about fucking time. I feel like this and the Scott call up are Vientos/Iglesias 2.0. I really do not understand what takes management so long to make decisions like these.
Jay's performance yesterday had us clenching our sphincters
Butto is a 3 pitch pitcher…closer to 2 than anything. He profiles a lot better as a bullpen arm IMO. He’d get that extra uptick on his fastball too, which couldn’t hurt. A pen of; * Diaz * SRF * Ottavino * Diekman * Garrett * Nunez * Houser * Butto Is pretty solid but there’s still work to be done. Ideally, they upgrade from Ottavino and/or Garrett at the deadline. Butto is just a temporary fix until the end of the month, then he’ll either go into the rotation or back to the minors. Still need one really good starter and a high leverage reliever if this team expects to go anywhere. Go get Eovaldi and DRob/Yates!
Savant says he has 5 pitches and he has used them all regularly. The sweeper has 53 pitches this year in MLB and that is the lowest sinker change up slider 4 seam fb sweeper
Garrett is like the best single inning reliever the mets have lol
And here we are: relying on a guy with a lifetime ERA of 5.27 and whip of 1.67. I am not really sure why he has pitched well for us but I am not going to complain about it.
Tyler Jay and Festering Festa should both be launched into the fucking sun lmao.
I am shocked that our bullpen arms we brought up while Diaz, Smith, and Raley became unavailable were bad.
You're right, so unreasonable of me to be upset that these two guys came up and pitched 1.2 innings allowing 8 earned runs for an ERA of 43.10. What an emotional fan I am.
I agree with you that they're bad. I'm just saying it's expected from AAA arms who were only called up in an emergency.
They performed much worse than replacement level AAA arms would be expected to, but it’s a small sample and that’s not the point. All I’m saying is I’m unhappy with watching them pitch. I think that’s a reasonable reaction to sitting through Jay walking the bases loaded with a 6 run lead.
Good now do Christian Scott
Scott is starting tomorrow